I want to teach creationism in school. Our first assignment is to learn about every god that has ever been. We then try to disprove them all. By the time I'm done I will have a class full of little atheists.
Keep up the good work Barbara. You provide an objective , intellectual position that serves to cut through the emotion and wish thinking that continues to undermine our ability to make progress.
Degrading is the only appropriate way to act towards people who don't accept evolution. There is no "making up your mind" involved here. All the evidence ever gathered supports one side and the other side has absolutely nothing. This isn't some subjective decision - it is simple reality vs people who refuse to accept it.
Well Barbara that's all good and well except that you are simply wrong! You are suggesting that its right to do exactly what you don't want creationists to do. You want people who believe in God's children to be taught what you believe. Who made you right! If you are so concerned you should at very least accept equal acceptance.
@ApesAmongUs Dont be so ridiculous! The observable world does nothing of the sort. On the contrary anyone who observes the World would be questioning her and now you as well. I gave you at least an option to accept the education of both, so that people could make a decision themselves without being brainwashed either way. But you choose to begin the process of degrading the other side by patronising and belittling. That isnt clever it simply makes your argument worthless.
@2105Jack And how do you suggest science teachers do their job?
"Ok class : today we'll discuss the scientific method, the importance and criteria of valid evidence, and why this method works so well in uncovering provable, testable truths that we can all understand, verify and build on.
...then tomorrow, we'll take a leap of faith, start ignoring evidence that doesn't fit our preconceived notions taken on faith, and decalre whatever we'd like to believe in 'truth'."
This snippy little bimbo isn't much of a philosopher. True, the Constitution may be regarded as a "secular document", and mandates no explicit connection between Church and State. However, the very notion of fundamental human rights depends on theological principles; without an objective axis of morality, ethical justifications are impossible. Hence, the Constitution is implicitly theistic. Obviously, this hasn't been fully understood by mainstream (atheistic) academic philosophers like Forrest.
The best way to assure future generations of blind faith "believers" is the old fashioned way: Indoctrination from birth. There just is no more zing in the deciple making business. People are just not gullible enough to go for that sort of thing. With 100 brain washs, you're lucky if one or two of them "take".
Religion is an acquired taste, and very few people are into that kind of baloney.
Science is nothing more than religion evolved. Anyone that contends religion can coexist with science just hasn't evolved yet. The fun thing about intellectual evolution is that it is done willfully. You just have to get off your ass, get a science book (sorry, the bible doesn't count), and read it. If you can't do that, then I will argue that you are intentionally ignorant and have no grounds to make scientific assertions.
@fourbabies1 sky fairy... ummm. its the flying spaghetti monster. don't tread on my flying spaghetti monster religion. Anyone who argues against it just hasn't had any good delicious flying spaghetti and meatballs recently.
@PaGaNM0nK i find spago, spage, that pasta too hard to spell, so i will stick with sky fairy religion and kill innocent men, women, and children in it's defense (i will keep the virgins as bounty cause the sky fairy has approved that)
And majin, i guess numerous friends that attended her classes at SLU in Hammond, La and my cousin who had her as recent as Fall 2009 are not firsthand. Yet i digress and should not resort to personal attacks like lib/progs do. And again all of the people i know say that she is a pleasant person and very smart, just that she puts her politics out there as fact and rarely allowed debate about it. Why are most proffessors like that? I thought they were teachers not local chieftans like in china.
And my expertise comes from reading science textbooks and articles. You might want to try it sometime. Maybe if you did you would stop posting stupid shit on youtube, you f*cking moron.
HEY CAPT! There are too many IFs in that statement. If you want to believe that we came from rocks bumping into each other fine, but my opinion is that the world and the beings that live in it are DESIGNED to well to be an "accident",and I am not saying that evolution does not occur, of course animals develop traits that help them. Finches on Galopagos had longer beaks for eating insects right? But they were still FINCHEs they did not change into zebras, evolution as a SCIENCe is BS.
Are you serious? Please just stop posting, you are showing your ignorance on the topic of evolution. Lesson 1, it has nothing to do with rocks. Lesson 2 don't say stupid things on topics you know nothing about. I'll let you figure the rest out on your own.
Okay once again a liberal atheist loser resorts to the highest decorum and vast knowledge to win a debate. Okay, now that your irrelevant dribble is done, is that not your theory on how life was started?. I mean I am one of those idiots that thinks something actually created this world, that is just my personal belief. So what is your belief? And your Obvious expertise from? Douche.
Spoken like a true idiot. You come in here criticizing a theory you clearly don't understand and then when I correct you, you refer to it as "dribble". I guess you want to remain willingfully ignorant. And isn't the point of a debate to use knowledge to win? Why are you criticizing me for that? And you know nothing of my politics and religion so don't comment on that. The only thing that is clear is I understand evolution and you know nothing about science or evolution.
I guess I'll have to spoon feed you a little more to get you to stop embarrassing yourself. Evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the world. And you are right, your belief that God created the world IS just a personal belief. There is nothing scientific about that. This debate is about science not personal beliefs. And to be honest I don't know how this world began and that's ok! To go around spouting off myths written by primative men 2000 years ago as scientific fact is plain stupid
Well, fact and theory. Documented evolution is fact. The well substantiated hypothesis of how evolution occurred in the past is theory, as much as gravity is theory.
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Evolution is reported to be science but teaching theory as fact is not good science. While it is true that the philosophy of evolution for the time being controls much of the higher centers of learning worldwide, not all great minds are proponents of the theory . Creationists are mocked because they offer the possibility that man just might have to be accountable for his actions to a higher being and this is unthinkable to one that wishes for no such accountability.
@777Knightlight777 Creationists are mocked because they don't have evidence for their assertions. Science has nothing to do with the ramifications of the truth...it only has to do with finding the truth.
BTW, a scientific theory is something accepted in science. It isn't a "guess" as the word is used commonly. The parallel word would be "hypothesis".
Evolution has mounds of evidence supporting it INCLUDING predictions of future findings and data.
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This lady is nothin more than a Liberal Hack. She is entitled to her opinion on so called evolution, thats fine. But i have first hand knowledge of this woman spewing liberal lies in her lectures and calling them facts. She has her mush brained students who do not know any better agreeing with her. And i for one would like some objectivity in a place that Federal tax dollars fund. Why are these liberal professors given free tax payer reign to spew thier opinions as fact? where is the oversight?
@Bleazy225 What specific "liberal lies" has she spread? And the reason these so called "liberal professors" are allowed to "spew their opinions" is because what they are teaching is based in reality and supported by evidence rather than ridiculous ideas that are based on faith and religious texts only.
I have a couple questions for all you fundamentalists out there:
What is a witch and why do you want to kill them? Seriously, you do want to kill them, right? It says so in your bible, right? So here's your chance to enlighten me. Don't be ashamed, step up! Defend your faith! Fight for it! Tell why you want to kill witches.
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the reason why Texas creationists don't want you to listen to her is because they know it would be a total and complete waste of 37 minutes of your life!!!
IF you don't care for freedom of religion then please, go and live in somewhere like iran for a few years, and then come back when you learn something.
Some four hundred years ago the church tried desperately to keep up the dogma that the sun was revolving around the earth. Why? Because they were afraid that people would loose their faith in god.
Denying one of god's greatest creations: the evolution of life is sheer blasphemy.
The bible, in contrast was censored and brought into its final form by a roman emperor. That's why it is all about blind obedience (to god and the ruling class) and punishment. It's all man made!
Scoff scoff scoff scoff scoff scoff scoff scoff scoff! Scoff scoff! That's because evolution has slowly improved us and people are growing out of your cave man thinking. WE don't NEED the crutch of religion to have a reason to live!
Of course scientists have been wrong before, but then they admit it. Science is the testing of questions to get to a reliable result. So go ahead and test it, talk to some snakes, build a tower to heaven, climb a mountain and talk to god, make sure the Earth is still in the center of the Universe. When your results come back, let us all know how it went. If you test and confirm those things to be true, then you have applied science to religion. Religion is opinion not science.
Why should we have any respect for these superstitious idiots? Why should we do anything but laugh at talking snakes and the snakes who try to force this silliness on our children? Anyone who believes someone talked to a burning bush has been burning too much bush...
Well spoken friend! Amen! These lunatics think in their arrogance that they hold the holy grale of truth in their hands.
See what evolution is going to do with the bible and the quran. They are static. They do not alter and therefore will be washed away by time and science.
First, the Constitution doesn't authorize the government to be in public education. Second, the 1st Amendment does not exclude God from public classrooms. It only prohibits the government from making a law mandating us to observe their religion over another. And last but not least, we woudn't have a Constitution if it wasn't for the Declaration of Independence. And it says our rights are inherent to us from our Creator. So it's not just religious to teach about our Creator. It's political too !
"First, the Constitution doesn't authorize the government to be in public education."
The Constitution has been interpreted otherwise since Thomas Jefferson's day. Among the more direct applications of that policy, the Northwest Ordinance that established the process for surveying and forming territories into new states set aside land to be sold to finance public schools and universities.
"Second, the 1st Amendment does not exclude God from public classrooms."
This is correct. You may, as a citizen, pray or otherwise practice your religion in a public space as long as it does not interfere with other people going about their business. However, that is not the point of this clip. Teachers who are public employees violate the constitution when they promote religion to their students. Creationism is canon to a particular religious faction and a teacher cannot promote it in class.
I'm sorry. But the Northwest Ordinance does not trump nor amend the Constitution. And interpretations are like opinions. Everyone has got one. But that doesn't mean every interpretation is right. And last but least, you are only half right about God & Creation in the classroom. Whereas both Creation and Intelligent Design are presently being taught in both Christian youth academies, as well as on some secular college campuses, all across America as we speak.
If the Judao-Christian creationist's version of history were to be enforced as part of a school curriculum, it would exclude all other faiths' beliefs thus denying other religious status. Surely they have rights too? It would mean State enforcement of a one belief system.
Science is not a religion - it is observation of evidence and thats what schools should be teaching. Leave religion and beliefs to the humanities classes.
Abortion is just an excuse for people of the Dawkins Theory Faith to prevent natural selection from taking place, or survival of the fittest. Besides, morals just get in the way of your living YOUR life. Love is fake too since nobody can explain those kinds of man made emotions. God Freaks make up stupid ideas like material can not just develope on it's own without any previous thought/info./design/purpose/to know how to function in life. So much for free will material. Big Bang,a No Brainer.
Infinitesimal point of singularity, highly organized and compact energy and matter existing from all eternity in a steady,stable state until BANG(Not too big of a bang or we would all be gas.)organization of everything became disorganization of everything! And absolutely Nothing was the cause.
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She may be a product of a Big Bang. To her rape may only be a process of random selection, or survival of the fittest. There is No Morals in a Big Bang! Truth is only bad if it doesn't fit your ideology or should I say socialistic views. What is bad? What is good? Why cry if your just gonna die? Nothing begets Nothing. You have no idea how your eyes work let alone how they knew where to be connected to the brain durring your time of developing. BANG! BIG BANG- ha ha so cute!
We are pack animals you ignorant fool...how well do you think a pack would function with out some level of empathy? It wouldn't! It is just amazing how religion people manage to think the things they do with all the evidence to the contrary they are drowning in. Medicine, electricity, quantum mechanics (or to put it in terms you understand the microchip and lasers) Biology etc.. We will drag you kicking and screaming just like always with us into a better tomorrow were you will be only to...
If you want to learn about morality, I highly recommend you read John Galt's speech in Atlas Shrugged. Rand, through Galt, will debunk all the ignorance and stupidity that you are spewing. Early last year, I vowed to read the Bible straight through. I also started reading the Koran at the same time. I stopped at Job. It made me so sick, that I can never totally respect any Christian who has read the entire Bible. God let Satan murder Job's children for a bet. Read it.
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This female is very lost. Evolution is not a fact nor is it a sound theory, because there had to be a starting point to everything and evolution doesn't answer that in any way. I feel that NO one really knows how it all got started but to say that evolution should be taught and not creations is foolish on both sides. because we all must say that there is some design behind life, or there would be more things that resemble us. stop being afraid of GOD
evolution generally explains the current diversity of life since meiosis occured.
But with comprehensive knowledge of biochemistry it is very easy to explain the synthesis of life. And also evolution and god are not mutually exclusive, they are only made out to be by dishonest religious fundamentalists.
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My point is that if you use evolution as a start to all things that we know, it doesn't hold water. Where did the dust come from that created the big bang. HOW did it create life that was not there? Why can't we see things like that happening now?
''My point is that if you use evolution as a start to all things that we know, it doesn't hold water. Where did the dust come from that created the big bang. HOW did it create life that was not there? Why can't we see things like that happening now?''
Evolution is none of these things. Evolution is the change in allelic frequency over successive generations. We can see it and measure it, that is how we know that it is correct.
You are clearly confusing many theories and calling them all "Evolution".
Evolution explains the diversity, adaptability and relationships of all living creatures on earth. It does not even try to explain the start of the universe, dust, or life itself. Those theories are called:
What design? Giving blind cave fish eyes? GREAT DESIGN! Giving humans the skeleton of a quadroped? GREAT DESIGN! Or how about the erector papili? GREAT DESIGN. Intelligent Design is anything but intelligent. Evolution is observed fact. That species give rise to new species is observed fact. Get over it. Perhaps you too should learn the topic before you assume to refute it.
"Your science has been wrong the majority of the time"
I think you have confused religion and science to an extreme.
Earth is flat
Earth is stationary
Earth is at center of universe
Stars are located in "Heaven"
Gravity is just god hugging us...
All religious beliefs that were effectively unchangeable.
Science is always wrong, to some degree, but it is a self-correcting process that is refined over time, making it significantly Less Wrong than religious dogma.
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I'm so sorry that you believe that you came from monkeys. But I guest that is the reason you think the way you do. I will tell you for a FACT that I did not. Show me one connection that man grew from aps. Then we can talk.
@fairjasmine The scientific community classifies humans, quite rightly, as both apes and monkeys.
We have big toes, opposable thumbs, large brains, naked and pendulose penises and two mammary glands- therefore we can't be anything BUT apes.
The YouTube video ''Turns out we DID come from monkeys!'' might make biological classification, a subject which is often confusing at first glance, much clearer.
Extrapolating backwards the human population in this world, we can say we find a decreasing trend, we might even go down to numbers that are less than a few hundreds. Are you saying only a group of apes evolved to become we humans and hence forth multiplied to the current number?
@fairjasmine Of course! Why not? Cheetah's are known to have bottlenecked at approximately seven individuals who gave rise to all cheetahs we see today. Also, there are quite a many groups of humans who evolved from apes, although sadly they are all extinct but us.
@fairjasmine It is not anymore stupid than calling yourself a placental, or a mammal, or a vertebrate, or a chordate, or an eumetazoa, or an eukaryote. You are all that. Or you dont think we are mammals too? I find it funny that creationists get offended by the terms ape or monkey, but not mammal, when mammal includes a lot more animals than apes or monkeys
Just because you put the word fact in ALL CAPS does not make it a fact. If you actually looked up this topic you would see there is more than enough evidence to support common decent between humans and simians as fact.
If you researched this topic even a little bit, you would know there are a lot of connections. Does the thumb ring a bell? Physiology?
BTW, Hopefully you understand that no one is saying your parents are apes, rather the human species and apes have a common descent, right?
Evolution is one of THE best well supported THEORIES in science. Yes, theories. In science, theory means far far far more than an educated guess. It is a formulated set of ideas supported by FACTS and OBSERVATIONS. Evolution is an observed fact, period.
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Every science teacher that teaches evolution isa religious advocate. Evolution is a religion not a theory. You see people start as teachers, then they study evolution and become "Evolution Experts" and debate Creasionists. Umm to me that sounds like they are trying to prove that theres is right, and the way the earth was created. Isnt that some form of religion?
Evolution isn't a religion, it is an observed fact. There is no supernatual power or powers in evolution. They aren't trying to prove anything. They are attempting to undo the brainwashing of fundamentalist evangelists, many of whom are liar, frauds, con men/women and one is now a convicted felon serving 10 years in prison. These are the people that creationists put their trust in? No wonder science education in the US is failing.
Hovind is in jail for the right reason, because he didnt want to pay tax dollars for kids to be taught/brainwashed about evolution throughout school. Ask little kids when the dinosaurs died off, they say millions of years ago, not knowing any better, because they have been taught/brainwashed that. I got a question:If evolution is real, then how come we dont find half whale/cow fossils? I havent seen a monkey/human skeleton, nor a raptor/chicken skeleton. Ne evidence.
Cows didn't evolve into whales. Monkeys didn't evolve into humans and Dromaeosaurs didn't evolve into chickens. You have done a great job of misrepresenting evolution. Well done. Is strawmen all you have? Being that you are a creationists, chances are yes, they are all you have. Perhaps you should actually learn the topic you assume to refute first so you don't end up looking like such an idiot.
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Yes, finally someone said it. It is to a religion. How? Well lets see, I used to know nothing about God, and accepted evolution, now, that ive learned both sides, and yes watch films or the history channel, they will say things evolved into other things, anyways, as I learned more, I didnt want to believe in God, but it took a lot more faith to believe in evolution than God, so I switched. I debated with my friend about it, he said this, direct quote:
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xxx: because evolution to me is what god is to you
xxxx:evolution is everything to me
xxxx:it simplifies and solves everything
I hide his name so he doesnt have to deal with anything.
But trust me, evolution is a smart theory, but not possible. You guys never answered, How come there isnt a ton of fossils of the animal switching, or changes in them during there transition?
'How come there isnt a ton of fossils of the animal switching, or changes in them during there transition? '
Deatail this transition: start with passer domesticus and draw a line to the end of the page. Research modern bird genetics to get a phylogenetic tree. Then detail the fossils of therapoda and add them to the diagram. What you find is a clear transition between basal thearopds and passerines. repeat with other organisms.
There are loads of fossils. More than enough. There is an astonishing amount of genetic evidence. The way animals are distributed around the world is evidence when you cross reference that with plate tectonics and the shifting of the land masses.
Read a book that isn't the bible and that you can't buy on creationist websites and you can see for yourself the stunning simplicity, yet incredible intricacy of evolution. I recommend the ancestors tale by richard dawkins.
"Every science teacher that teaches evolution isa religious advocate."
Sheer ignorance.
No one's required you to believe in anything you've been taught at school. Let science teachers teach accepted science, keep your trap shut and memorize just enough to pass your stupid class, then you can go back to believing whatever ignorant pseudoscientific ideas you want. When you have kids you can homeschool them so they don't have to suffer the horrible onslaught of science you were forced to endure.
The Theory of Gravity and the Theory of Relativity are religions as well. Newton and Einstein are prophets. I pray to the all might apple 5 times a day.
This is sarcasm if ericmober couldn't tell. Apparently he doesn't know what religion is in the first place.
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I am a Christian who believes in Creation.BUT..i believe in separation of church and state..my faith is 'of free will' not ordered or directed by the Government..
with that said...i do think our schools should offer both views which a student can make an informed decision on their own..the other option would be to drop evolution..where does that leave science which is finely balanced with religion..
But you need to see the quality of what is being taught. Evolution is a scientific theory, so the highest form of knowledge in science. ID is, well, there is no word in science for it, one could call it a philosophy. There are not the least equally qualified to be be taught as equal theories, since ID just isn't one. I have no problem with teaching that in religious classes, where it belongs, but with doing it in science classes, you give a wrong impression on how science works.
The problem is, it is science class. Therefore shouldn't they teach the views of scientists? By teaching creationism in science class they aren't representing the views of the scientific community, 99% of whom accept evolution, they are representing the views of religious people. Who aren't scientists. Therefore it has no place in science class.
I really feel for American kids who have to go through this. Imagine being told when you're still young that the scientific method is a flawed and basically useless system. How is a society like that going to survive the 21st century?
You can't call upon the constitution as if you know something of it while claiming this great land is a Constitutional Democracy. It's clear where the incompetence is.
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This woman is a complete imbecile. Does she have some sort of thing against God? Is the Barbara Forrest Jewish? Does anyone know? Cheers... the stick...
I'm getting mixed signals. So religion should stay in a class about religion. Yet, religion is not allowed in school? The constitution is being threatened by creationism? The government didn't run the schools in the 1700's. In fact, the Bible was required reading. Shocking.
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If creationist get their way, there might be morals in school. If that happens, the news might never get a big story of a school shooting. That could be detrimental to the jobs news reporters.
Pete I do understand how you feel and I do apologize for offending you but I am speaking the Truth. I do not believe in a theocracy today under any religion or church.
When Christ returns war and destruction will end and men and nations will be judged.
For there in One mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus.
There is No other Name under heaven given to men whereby we must be saved. He alone is Risen from the grave; He is the Last Adam, The Eternal Son of GOD. But 1 GOD for Earth
"But 1 GOD for Earth" And you DON'T support theocracy? How about Christian theocracy? OR do you just want everyone to acknowledge the your "God" is the real one? This type of thinking has been the bane of humanity.
It the God and Creator we have to acknowledge or reject if wish. God is just and He gives us the freedom to choose Pete. Consider the same God created the physical laws of the universe also created the spiritual laws.
God in His Love and goodness wants what is best for us. Many things that seem intolerant save our lives like observing the law of gravity. Humanity is in a pickle for one reason. We walked away not HIM. JESUS is the Way back to LIFE. Taste and see that the LORD is good.
"Humanity is in a pickle for one reason." That reason is the exact same type of thought process you are using right here. The problem is when people are 100% GODDAMN convinced that it would be better for everyone else to be more like them. You should try being legitimately respectful. When you say "It the God and Creator we have to acknowledge or reject if wish" what you are really saying is tantamount to "It's ok to be wrong, but i'm right". It's CONDESCENDING.
GOD and SAVIOR. Is he a lunatic, liar, devil or our HIS claims supported by fact and deeds.
My life time study and experience has concluded the JESUS, Yeshua in Hebrew, was and is GOD in the flesh and SAVIOR of mankind.
Read: "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis a former evolutionist and atheist. Study all the prophecies written of Christ before He was born ie Psalm 22, Isaiah 49 53. We will all stand before HIM.
GOD and SAVIOR. Is he a lunatic, liar, devil or our HIS claims supported by fact and deeds." What facts? There are no facts! The only thing you have to support your religion is your book, which is all any religion has. "Pete it is not about me or you." Wrong. This is about YOU thinking you know what's best for ME (and everyone else that doesn't have blind faith in something with no tangible evidence).
Pete there you go again: Israel as a nation is very tangible! Look at the glory, the diaspora and regathering! All that JESUS predicted has happened and is happening in the Middle East. The Bible is sewn together with time space history. Evidence is beyond your ability to read it all:
see windmillministries dot org
Just as water is for all mankind so is JESUS who is in fact as CHRIST the Creator of the UNIVERSE!
No matter what you believe WATER gives life to mankind and so does Christ!
"Israel as a nation is very tangible! Look at the glory, the diaspora and regathering!" Israel is one of the least glorious places on the planet. All of those people are doomed to slaughter, because nothing short of a nuke is going to calm that place down.
The problem is that both sides feel that God is on their side. The FACT that both sides are in terrible shape leads me to believe neither is true. If your God supports people killing each other for Him then.... your God is a douche bag.
God Himself will defend Israel when His Feet set on the Mount of Olives see Zechariah 14.
All the Earth will mourn when they see His pierced hands and feet. See Zech 12 and Revelation Chapter 1. GOD loves all people and all nations. Repentance is the same for a Jew and for a Gentile. Sin is our acting as if we know what it best. It is our self centeredness and independence. It is believing Satan's Lie in the garden.
"Hath GOD said..." The LORD is GOD and He is Holy...Good Bye Pete really
"God Himself will defend Israel when His Feet set on the Mount of Olives see Zechariah 14" Well hopefully they are not all dead by then. "Sin is our acting as if we know what it best." You should listen to yourself.
For GOD the Creator so loved the planet earth the has been judged and condemned that He in mercy sent His One and Only Son the Messiah of Israel to give those of the nations an op to believe, trust in Him and regain their stature of rightousness before a Holy GOD and given the free gift of eternal life Only Jesus Christ arose from the dead giving proof that not only He is Christ but that the Father is satisfied with His subtitutionary death on our behalf who will call upon Him in faith. TRUTH!
God did no such thing because it doesn't exist. Man I love completely talking past one another. Haha. The difference is you think somehow you are going to convince me with language and crap arguments that I see as pathetic. I KNOW I can't convince you.
Can there be a reasonable foundation of evidence for Christianity and the claims of Jesus Christ? YES! Will you you listen and consider those claims? Only you can answer that but there is alot of objective evidence the JESUS was who He claimed to be.
Write me back and I will direct you to links, books and other sources it you are seeking?
Life and Death are not "crap arguments".
How do you determine the Truth? What is your criteria?
Even if god exists, that answers so little of the questions. Even if Jesus was who he said he was, I would not be satisfied. Existence seems extremely paradoxical. How does anything exist? A god existing is just as absurd as an electron existing. The "answers" that any religion offers are piddly. Who cares if god exists (and I don't think it does)? It still makes no sense.
It makes no sense to you now because you are cut off from God but once you turn to Christ the blinders come off. You can believe or not believe but reality is not changed by our opinions. The same GOD who created the LAWS of life invites you to humble yourself to return to the Creator who dearly loves you.
Then why do people turn away from god and realize it doesn't answer a thing? If what you say is true, that means that would mean that nobody would ever turn away from such a coherent, insightful belief system.
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then why do people turn away from god and realize it doesn't answer a thing?
Why? You know why because all of us like sheep have gone astray turning into our own independent self centered ways. We want to do our own thing without an Authority over us.
But God has laid on HIM the LAMB of GOD the sin of us all who turn to HIM in faith and turn our heart over to His care.
So being self-centered is better than having a divine connection? If god is so great then why would anybody stray? If people can stray then it's probably not that wondrous of an understanding. You first of all told me that if I only knew god that everything would make sense. So why do people stray? They don't want things to make sense anymore?
You do understand that your bible quotes (or your biblical language, I don't know which it is) are essentially non-sensical to me?
That's not an answer at ALL. You didn't listen to what I said. You aren't replying to me. You aren't acknowledging my criticisms in the least. Do you care if people actually listen to you or are you simply raving?
Of course I care but you don't like the answers that give LIFE. I care for you but you can't sense it. GOD is working in my heart toward you but you want to remain in your own path. I am not your enemy but a real friend who will tell you the truth even if it may hurt.
"Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has." "To be a Christian, you must pluck out the eye of reason." -Martin Luther-
"We sacrifice the intellect to god" -Ignatius Loyola
Congratulations!!! You have snatched AND plucked. Now you can only spout what you are told or read in that crappy book. Have you ever dared ask yourself why your god simply didn't just forgive us instead of going through such a stupid charade?
the human character and personality. It causes of the cancer of self-centered (self-divine)world view alienated from GOD. But the Creator in HIS Love in mercy after judging our planet sent His Son, Jesus Christ to save mankind from self destruction.
Psalm 18:46 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my Rock;and let the God of my salvation be exalted.
the human character and personality" Eh? "Psalm 18:46 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my Rock;and let the God of my salvation be exalted." Mmmhmm. *pat on head*
Pete let me tell you a story about a retarded boy who once lived with his father. His father gave him everything regardless of his condition; the best of food and shelter and even a place to enjoy the sunshine and to play. One day the father however gave up and sent the boy to the state institution. Friends asked why?
The father sadly said,"I loved my son and I would have continued to provide for him if only once he would of looked up and said, "my Daddy" Alas he never recognized me...
I must be missing something here. What is point of this story? I'm not being insulting on this question. I just really don't the relevance of this story.
Most Christians have no agenda to take over the government. Faith based Evolution as taught by neo darwinians should not be done on our tax dollars. All the new age teaching in the world can not obliterate the knowledge of the Creator. True science explores and discovers the TRUTH but can not eliminate it.
Barbara Forrest" You assume I don't know who she is. "Most Christians have no agenda to take over the government. " I think that many (I hesitate to say "most") Christians wouldn't mind if our public policies were more in accordance with...... Christianity. All you have left, after I call you on you quote mining, is empty rhetoric. Yep.
I want to teach creationism in school. Our first assignment is to learn about every god that has ever been. We then try to disprove them all. By the time I'm done I will have a class full of little atheists.
pchtermino1 1 month ago
Bravo!
friedie1jeff 4 months ago
Correct. Succinct. To the point and on point.
flickerman68 5 months ago
nice
thesageofohio 9 months ago
Ughhh....there's two minutes of my life that I can never get back...
wgbutler777 9 months ago
And all girls should remember that they were not in Gods original creation.
RealJesusforAtheists 9 months ago
@RealJesusforAtheists ... I told my sister this and she flipped, then I proved it and she flipped more.
thesageofohio 9 months ago
Keep up the good work Barbara. You provide an objective , intellectual position that serves to cut through the emotion and wish thinking that continues to undermine our ability to make progress.
Cousinsjay 11 months ago 3
Degrading is the only appropriate way to act towards people who don't accept evolution. There is no "making up your mind" involved here. All the evidence ever gathered supports one side and the other side has absolutely nothing. This isn't some subjective decision - it is simple reality vs people who refuse to accept it.
ApesAmongUs 1 year ago 2
Thank you, Barb! God, we need more people like you to weed out all the frickin religious nuts
CarlSagan6 1 year ago 3
Well Barbara that's all good and well except that you are simply wrong! You are suggesting that its right to do exactly what you don't want creationists to do. You want people who believe in God's children to be taught what you believe. Who made you right! If you are so concerned you should at very least accept equal acceptance.
2105Jack 1 year ago
@2105Jack
Who made her right?
Reality made her right. The observable physical world.
ApesAmongUs 1 year ago 2
@ApesAmongUs Dont be so ridiculous! The observable world does nothing of the sort. On the contrary anyone who observes the World would be questioning her and now you as well. I gave you at least an option to accept the education of both, so that people could make a decision themselves without being brainwashed either way. But you choose to begin the process of degrading the other side by patronising and belittling. That isnt clever it simply makes your argument worthless.
2105Jack 1 year ago
@2105Jack And how do you suggest science teachers do their job?
"Ok class : today we'll discuss the scientific method, the importance and criteria of valid evidence, and why this method works so well in uncovering provable, testable truths that we can all understand, verify and build on.
...then tomorrow, we'll take a leap of faith, start ignoring evidence that doesn't fit our preconceived notions taken on faith, and decalre whatever we'd like to believe in 'truth'."
Something like that?
TheHigherVoltage 11 months ago 4
@2105Jack ok then if we are going to teach all sides then we also need to teach about every creation story by every religion that exists now.
lautz73 11 months ago
This snippy little bimbo isn't much of a philosopher. True, the Constitution may be regarded as a "secular document", and mandates no explicit connection between Church and State. However, the very notion of fundamental human rights depends on theological principles; without an objective axis of morality, ethical justifications are impossible. Hence, the Constitution is implicitly theistic. Obviously, this hasn't been fully understood by mainstream (atheistic) academic philosophers like Forrest.
eurodele 1 year ago
@eurodele
How are things in the Bronze Age, what's the weather like?
RuddyIPA 1 year ago
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The best way to assure future generations of blind faith "believers" is the old fashioned way: Indoctrination from birth. There just is no more zing in the deciple making business. People are just not gullible enough to go for that sort of thing. With 100 brain washs, you're lucky if one or two of them "take".
Religion is an acquired taste, and very few people are into that kind of baloney.
schlummieleinchen 1 year ago
RELIGION SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!!!!!
lordmetal2 1 year ago 2
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The webster dictionary should have this womans picture and bigotry in the same space.
MultiFisherofmen 1 year ago
Science is nothing more than religion evolved. Anyone that contends religion can coexist with science just hasn't evolved yet. The fun thing about intellectual evolution is that it is done willfully. You just have to get off your ass, get a science book (sorry, the bible doesn't count), and read it. If you can't do that, then I will argue that you are intentionally ignorant and have no grounds to make scientific assertions.
PaGaNM0nK 1 year ago
why oh why do faithheads keep showing their ignorance when it comes to evolution? try reading a book on the subject and not on some sky fairy
fourbabies1 1 year ago 3
@fourbabies1 sky fairy... ummm. its the flying spaghetti monster. don't tread on my flying spaghetti monster religion. Anyone who argues against it just hasn't had any good delicious flying spaghetti and meatballs recently.
PaGaNM0nK 1 year ago
@PaGaNM0nK i find spago, spage, that pasta too hard to spell, so i will stick with sky fairy religion and kill innocent men, women, and children in it's defense (i will keep the virgins as bounty cause the sky fairy has approved that)
fourbabies1 1 year ago 2
And majin, i guess numerous friends that attended her classes at SLU in Hammond, La and my cousin who had her as recent as Fall 2009 are not firsthand. Yet i digress and should not resort to personal attacks like lib/progs do. And again all of the people i know say that she is a pleasant person and very smart, just that she puts her politics out there as fact and rarely allowed debate about it. Why are most proffessors like that? I thought they were teachers not local chieftans like in china.
Bleazy225 2 years ago
And my expertise comes from reading science textbooks and articles. You might want to try it sometime. Maybe if you did you would stop posting stupid shit on youtube, you f*cking moron.
Leones44 1 year ago 2
HEY CAPT! There are too many IFs in that statement. If you want to believe that we came from rocks bumping into each other fine, but my opinion is that the world and the beings that live in it are DESIGNED to well to be an "accident",and I am not saying that evolution does not occur, of course animals develop traits that help them. Finches on Galopagos had longer beaks for eating insects right? But they were still FINCHEs they did not change into zebras, evolution as a SCIENCe is BS.
Bleazy225 2 years ago
Are you serious? Please just stop posting, you are showing your ignorance on the topic of evolution. Lesson 1, it has nothing to do with rocks. Lesson 2 don't say stupid things on topics you know nothing about. I'll let you figure the rest out on your own.
Leones44 1 year ago 2
Okay once again a liberal atheist loser resorts to the highest decorum and vast knowledge to win a debate. Okay, now that your irrelevant dribble is done, is that not your theory on how life was started?. I mean I am one of those idiots that thinks something actually created this world, that is just my personal belief. So what is your belief? And your Obvious expertise from? Douche.
Bleazy225 1 year ago
Spoken like a true idiot. You come in here criticizing a theory you clearly don't understand and then when I correct you, you refer to it as "dribble". I guess you want to remain willingfully ignorant. And isn't the point of a debate to use knowledge to win? Why are you criticizing me for that? And you know nothing of my politics and religion so don't comment on that. The only thing that is clear is I understand evolution and you know nothing about science or evolution.
Leones44 1 year ago 2
I guess I'll have to spoon feed you a little more to get you to stop embarrassing yourself. Evolution has nothing to do with the creation of the world. And you are right, your belief that God created the world IS just a personal belief. There is nothing scientific about that. This debate is about science not personal beliefs. And to be honest I don't know how this world began and that's ok! To go around spouting off myths written by primative men 2000 years ago as scientific fact is plain stupid
Leones44 1 year ago 5
evolution is not really a theory anymore its more of a fact now because of all the evidence
METALmaggots65 2 years ago
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Well, fact and theory. Documented evolution is fact. The well substantiated hypothesis of how evolution occurred in the past is theory, as much as gravity is theory.
wightboy12345 1 year ago
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Evolution is reported to be science but teaching theory as fact is not good science. While it is true that the philosophy of evolution for the time being controls much of the higher centers of learning worldwide, not all great minds are proponents of the theory . Creationists are mocked because they offer the possibility that man just might have to be accountable for his actions to a higher being and this is unthinkable to one that wishes for no such accountability.
777Knightlight777 2 years ago
@777Knightlight777 Creationists are mocked because they don't have evidence for their assertions. Science has nothing to do with the ramifications of the truth...it only has to do with finding the truth.
BTW, a scientific theory is something accepted in science. It isn't a "guess" as the word is used commonly. The parallel word would be "hypothesis".
Evolution has mounds of evidence supporting it INCLUDING predictions of future findings and data.
majinspy 2 years ago
The ultimate question to ask these creationists is this:
If there were a science experiment that convinced you that evolution was right, which would you choose: Science or your god?
CaptSpaulding1956 2 years ago
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This lady is nothin more than a Liberal Hack. She is entitled to her opinion on so called evolution, thats fine. But i have first hand knowledge of this woman spewing liberal lies in her lectures and calling them facts. She has her mush brained students who do not know any better agreeing with her. And i for one would like some objectivity in a place that Federal tax dollars fund. Why are these liberal professors given free tax payer reign to spew thier opinions as fact? where is the oversight?
Bleazy225 2 years ago
@Bleazy225 You have first hand knowledge? I'm almost positive you don't, please share it.
majinspy 2 years ago
@Bleazy225 What specific "liberal lies" has she spread? And the reason these so called "liberal professors" are allowed to "spew their opinions" is because what they are teaching is based in reality and supported by evidence rather than ridiculous ideas that are based on faith and religious texts only.
Leones44 1 year ago 6
I have a couple questions for all you fundamentalists out there:
What is a witch and why do you want to kill them? Seriously, you do want to kill them, right? It says so in your bible, right? So here's your chance to enlighten me. Don't be ashamed, step up! Defend your faith! Fight for it! Tell why you want to kill witches.
ccp5150 2 years ago 5
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the reason why Texas creationists don't want you to listen to her is because they know it would be a total and complete waste of 37 minutes of your life!!!
phatmatt1176 2 years ago
You can have god in government or you can have freedom of religion. Not both. If you want your religeous freedom you can't deny it to others.
manhunt48 2 years ago
i dont want freedom i want liberty study the difference
phatmatt1176 2 years ago
IF you don't care for freedom of religion then please, go and live in somewhere like iran for a few years, and then come back when you learn something.
manhunt48 2 years ago
Good for you!
sinusbradycardia 2 years ago
Very well said.
ccp5150 2 years ago
You are right! Creationism does not exist and it is therefore absolutely futile to warn people of a danger that is non-existing.
Ridiculous! Nobody who is right in his or her mind would ever take those bible stories seriously, right?
flamifer 2 years ago
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you just proved the bible right! it says there will be scoffers in the last days!
phatmatt1176 2 years ago
phatmatt1176:
Some four hundred years ago the church tried desperately to keep up the dogma that the sun was revolving around the earth. Why? Because they were afraid that people would loose their faith in god.
Denying one of god's greatest creations: the evolution of life is sheer blasphemy.
The bible, in contrast was censored and brought into its final form by a roman emperor. That's why it is all about blind obedience (to god and the ruling class) and punishment. It's all man made!
flamifer 2 years ago 2
Why that is the most extraordinary proof I've seen yet. Some fat fuck quoting the bible!
sinusbradycardia 2 years ago 2
Scoff scoff scoff scoff scoff scoff scoff scoff scoff! Scoff scoff! That's because evolution has slowly improved us and people are growing out of your cave man thinking. WE don't NEED the crutch of religion to have a reason to live!
vivalaleta 2 years ago 4
Of course scientists have been wrong before, but then they admit it. Science is the testing of questions to get to a reliable result. So go ahead and test it, talk to some snakes, build a tower to heaven, climb a mountain and talk to god, make sure the Earth is still in the center of the Universe. When your results come back, let us all know how it went. If you test and confirm those things to be true, then you have applied science to religion. Religion is opinion not science.
michigrish2 2 years ago 4
Why should we have any respect for these superstitious idiots? Why should we do anything but laugh at talking snakes and the snakes who try to force this silliness on our children? Anyone who believes someone talked to a burning bush has been burning too much bush...
ccp5150 2 years ago 3
Well spoken friend! Amen! These lunatics think in their arrogance that they hold the holy grale of truth in their hands.
See what evolution is going to do with the bible and the quran. They are static. They do not alter and therefore will be washed away by time and science.
flamifer 2 years ago
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sometimes i don't fell bad for people who are going to hell...and this is one of those times
phatmatt1176 2 years ago
And I feel sorry for you right now. Idiot.
DanNWT 2 years ago
what are you talking about we don't like her we love her she makes your side look idiotic
bloodshadow1997 2 years ago
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Barbara-- the ugliest name a woman can be given hahahaaha
itsfakebytheway 2 years ago
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ID is not a religion, but even if it were, her statements would still be ridiculous.
The Philosophy of Science is SILENT regarding the Philosophy of Religion (among others).
Forrest, therefore, is injecting his personal religious bigotry into science.
Does anyone else get it?
JackHartHome 2 years ago
If religion promotes a belief that can be demonstrated as false by science, then it's the responsibility of scientists to point that out.
Face it, if science didn't refute religion and superstition, then we'd still have witch doctors practicing medicine in hospitals.
thisnameisuniq 2 years ago 3
this woman is brilliant!
goochieguy 2 years ago 3
How can people say there is a division of church and state in the U.S.?
Churches get tax exemption...
Forserean 2 years ago
First, the Constitution doesn't authorize the government to be in public education. Second, the 1st Amendment does not exclude God from public classrooms. It only prohibits the government from making a law mandating us to observe their religion over another. And last but not least, we woudn't have a Constitution if it wasn't for the Declaration of Independence. And it says our rights are inherent to us from our Creator. So it's not just religious to teach about our Creator. It's political too !
JustAboutMyFaith 3 years ago
"First, the Constitution doesn't authorize the government to be in public education."
The Constitution has been interpreted otherwise since Thomas Jefferson's day. Among the more direct applications of that policy, the Northwest Ordinance that established the process for surveying and forming territories into new states set aside land to be sold to finance public schools and universities.
QuietThought 3 years ago
"Second, the 1st Amendment does not exclude God from public classrooms."
This is correct. You may, as a citizen, pray or otherwise practice your religion in a public space as long as it does not interfere with other people going about their business. However, that is not the point of this clip. Teachers who are public employees violate the constitution when they promote religion to their students. Creationism is canon to a particular religious faction and a teacher cannot promote it in class.
QuietThought 3 years ago 3
I'm sorry. But the Northwest Ordinance does not trump nor amend the Constitution. And interpretations are like opinions. Everyone has got one. But that doesn't mean every interpretation is right. And last but least, you are only half right about God & Creation in the classroom. Whereas both Creation and Intelligent Design are presently being taught in both Christian youth academies, as well as on some secular college campuses, all across America as we speak.
JustAboutMyFaith 3 years ago
If the Judao-Christian creationist's version of history were to be enforced as part of a school curriculum, it would exclude all other faiths' beliefs thus denying other religious status. Surely they have rights too? It would mean State enforcement of a one belief system.
Science is not a religion - it is observation of evidence and thats what schools should be teaching. Leave religion and beliefs to the humanities classes.
1watcher123 3 years ago 5
Abortion is just an excuse for people of the Dawkins Theory Faith to prevent natural selection from taking place, or survival of the fittest. Besides, morals just get in the way of your living YOUR life. Love is fake too since nobody can explain those kinds of man made emotions. God Freaks make up stupid ideas like material can not just develope on it's own without any previous thought/info./design/purpose/to know how to function in life. So much for free will material. Big Bang,a No Brainer.
WileNot 3 years ago
Infinitesimal point of singularity, highly organized and compact energy and matter existing from all eternity in a steady,stable state until BANG(Not too big of a bang or we would all be gas.)organization of everything became disorganization of everything! And absolutely Nothing was the cause.
Big Bang,Not so Big Bang, still a no brainer
WileNot 3 years ago
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She may be a product of a Big Bang. To her rape may only be a process of random selection, or survival of the fittest. There is No Morals in a Big Bang! Truth is only bad if it doesn't fit your ideology or should I say socialistic views. What is bad? What is good? Why cry if your just gonna die? Nothing begets Nothing. You have no idea how your eyes work let alone how they knew where to be connected to the brain durring your time of developing. BANG! BIG BANG- ha ha so cute!
WileNot 3 years ago
Nope. Morals are derived from the darwinistic evolution of social organisms.
You think humans are the only moral species? Vampire bats will transport blood to a starving friend.
Gorillas protect others' young from predators.
Advanced human morals are the result of advanced human civilization and technology.
The origin of our morals come from being Pack Hunters.
And to all your other points, you do not know what you're talking about.
WeedGreenPowerRanger 3 years ago 4
We are pack animals you ignorant fool...how well do you think a pack would function with out some level of empathy? It wouldn't! It is just amazing how religion people manage to think the things they do with all the evidence to the contrary they are drowning in. Medicine, electricity, quantum mechanics (or to put it in terms you understand the microchip and lasers) Biology etc.. We will drag you kicking and screaming just like always with us into a better tomorrow were you will be only to...
mikejmcc1970 3 years ago 2
happy to reap the rewards of our hard work and at the same time cursing us! If that isn't a display of morality on our part I don't know what is!
mikejmcc1970 3 years ago
If you want to learn about morality, I highly recommend you read John Galt's speech in Atlas Shrugged. Rand, through Galt, will debunk all the ignorance and stupidity that you are spewing. Early last year, I vowed to read the Bible straight through. I also started reading the Koran at the same time. I stopped at Job. It made me so sick, that I can never totally respect any Christian who has read the entire Bible. God let Satan murder Job's children for a bet. Read it.
anchoragemark 3 years ago 4
I looked at this in the wrong way. Did not pay close enough attention. She is right and I was wrong in my post. Please remove it.
Lotus4115 3 years ago
Changed you thoughts because these people got on you and you could not hold up!!! lol get some truth
senyahel 2 years ago
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Lotus4115 3 years ago
Babs Forrest is my new hero, go watch her lecture called "Creationisms Trojan Horse", it's the bollocks, (that means it's good by the way).
nag73 3 years ago 2
Fight Bobby Jindal!
skearny1 3 years ago
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This female is very lost. Evolution is not a fact nor is it a sound theory, because there had to be a starting point to everything and evolution doesn't answer that in any way. I feel that NO one really knows how it all got started but to say that evolution should be taught and not creations is foolish on both sides. because we all must say that there is some design behind life, or there would be more things that resemble us. stop being afraid of GOD
senyahel 3 years ago
evolution generally explains the current diversity of life since meiosis occured.
But with comprehensive knowledge of biochemistry it is very easy to explain the synthesis of life. And also evolution and god are not mutually exclusive, they are only made out to be by dishonest religious fundamentalists.
TheProf1988 3 years ago 6
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My point is that if you use evolution as a start to all things that we know, it doesn't hold water. Where did the dust come from that created the big bang. HOW did it create life that was not there? Why can't we see things like that happening now?
senyahel 2 years ago
''My point is that if you use evolution as a start to all things that we know, it doesn't hold water. Where did the dust come from that created the big bang. HOW did it create life that was not there? Why can't we see things like that happening now?''
Evolution is none of these things. Evolution is the change in allelic frequency over successive generations. We can see it and measure it, that is how we know that it is correct.
TheProf1988 2 years ago 5
You are clearly confusing many theories and calling them all "Evolution".
Evolution explains the diversity, adaptability and relationships of all living creatures on earth. It does not even try to explain the start of the universe, dust, or life itself. Those theories are called:
Big Bang
Primordial Nucleosynthesis
Abiogenesis
phricak 2 years ago 5
What design? Giving blind cave fish eyes? GREAT DESIGN! Giving humans the skeleton of a quadroped? GREAT DESIGN! Or how about the erector papili? GREAT DESIGN. Intelligent Design is anything but intelligent. Evolution is observed fact. That species give rise to new species is observed fact. Get over it. Perhaps you too should learn the topic before you assume to refute it.
SanRafaelSwell 3 years ago 3
you forgot:
-the human tailbone
-male nipples
-an eye that is backwards, upside down, and with a built-in blind spot
-wisdom teeth
-appendices
-junk DNA
And the list goes on. Some "intelligent" designer. Soooooo many utterly useless and/or inefficient structures.
ShadeeFan 3 years ago 5
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Don't let you lack of understanding blind you. Your science has been wrong the majority of the time. It just takes us a long time to figure it out!
senyahel 2 years ago
"Your science has been wrong the majority of the time"
I think you have confused religion and science to an extreme.
Earth is flat
Earth is stationary
Earth is at center of universe
Stars are located in "Heaven"
Gravity is just god hugging us...
All religious beliefs that were effectively unchangeable.
Science is always wrong, to some degree, but it is a self-correcting process that is refined over time, making it significantly Less Wrong than religious dogma.
phricak 2 years ago 6
You're an idiot.
Theronguardaaah 2 years ago
Um, actually evolution is a fact. An observed fact.
NeoDarwinism is also a sound theory, one that people can count on. A lot. For a lot of stuff, stuff like food and medicine.
Creationism is not science and should not be taught in science classes. Go to Sunday school to learn that one, no one is stopping you.
"We must say that there is some design"... why?
"or there would be more things that resemble us" - you mean like DNA that works the same in all living things?
phricak 2 years ago 2
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I'm so sorry that you believe that you came from monkeys. But I guest that is the reason you think the way you do. I will tell you for a FACT that I did not. Show me one connection that man grew from aps. Then we can talk.
senyahel 2 years ago
''Show me one connection that man grew from aps.''
How about the fact that we are still apes right now? humans have been biologically classified as apes for 300 years.
TheProf1988 2 years ago 29
@TheProf1988
And who classified humans as apes? ! Its quite stupid isnt it... calling yourself a monkey.
fairjasmine 1 year ago
@fairjasmine The scientific community classifies humans, quite rightly, as both apes and monkeys.
We have big toes, opposable thumbs, large brains, naked and pendulose penises and two mammary glands- therefore we can't be anything BUT apes.
The YouTube video ''Turns out we DID come from monkeys!'' might make biological classification, a subject which is often confusing at first glance, much clearer.
TheProf1988 1 year ago
@TheProf1988
Extrapolating backwards the human population in this world, we can say we find a decreasing trend, we might even go down to numbers that are less than a few hundreds. Are you saying only a group of apes evolved to become we humans and hence forth multiplied to the current number?
fairjasmine 1 year ago
@fairjasmine Of course! Why not? Cheetah's are known to have bottlenecked at approximately seven individuals who gave rise to all cheetahs we see today. Also, there are quite a many groups of humans who evolved from apes, although sadly they are all extinct but us.
TheProf1988 1 year ago
@fairjasmine The deeply religious Carolus Linnaeus, in 1735
danoso0931 1 year ago
@fairjasmine It is not anymore stupid than calling yourself a placental, or a mammal, or a vertebrate, or a chordate, or an eumetazoa, or an eukaryote. You are all that. Or you dont think we are mammals too? I find it funny that creationists get offended by the terms ape or monkey, but not mammal, when mammal includes a lot more animals than apes or monkeys
danoso0931 1 year ago
Just because you put the word fact in ALL CAPS does not make it a fact. If you actually looked up this topic you would see there is more than enough evidence to support common decent between humans and simians as fact.
If you researched this topic even a little bit, you would know there are a lot of connections. Does the thumb ring a bell? Physiology?
BTW, Hopefully you understand that no one is saying your parents are apes, rather the human species and apes have a common descent, right?
phricak 2 years ago 2
98 percent of your DNA is chimp and another type of chimp.
Theronguardaaah 2 years ago
I'm so sorry you think a sky daddy made you from dirt and your wife (assuming your a man/little child) the rib lady.
Theronguardaaah 2 years ago 21
Evolution is one of THE best well supported THEORIES in science. Yes, theories. In science, theory means far far far more than an educated guess. It is a formulated set of ideas supported by FACTS and OBSERVATIONS. Evolution is an observed fact, period.
SanRafaelSwell 3 years ago 4
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Every science teacher that teaches evolution isa religious advocate. Evolution is a religion not a theory. You see people start as teachers, then they study evolution and become "Evolution Experts" and debate Creasionists. Umm to me that sounds like they are trying to prove that theres is right, and the way the earth was created. Isnt that some form of religion?
ericmober 3 years ago
Evolution isn't a religion, it is an observed fact. There is no supernatual power or powers in evolution. They aren't trying to prove anything. They are attempting to undo the brainwashing of fundamentalist evangelists, many of whom are liar, frauds, con men/women and one is now a convicted felon serving 10 years in prison. These are the people that creationists put their trust in? No wonder science education in the US is failing.
SanRafaelSwell 3 years ago 4
Hovind is in jail for the right reason, because he didnt want to pay tax dollars for kids to be taught/brainwashed about evolution throughout school. Ask little kids when the dinosaurs died off, they say millions of years ago, not knowing any better, because they have been taught/brainwashed that. I got a question:If evolution is real, then how come we dont find half whale/cow fossils? I havent seen a monkey/human skeleton, nor a raptor/chicken skeleton. Ne evidence.
ericmober 3 years ago
Cows didn't evolve into whales. Monkeys didn't evolve into humans and Dromaeosaurs didn't evolve into chickens. You have done a great job of misrepresenting evolution. Well done. Is strawmen all you have? Being that you are a creationists, chances are yes, they are all you have. Perhaps you should actually learn the topic you assume to refute first so you don't end up looking like such an idiot.
311lude 3 years ago 2
311lude is me, just so you know. One last thing. Correct, Hovind is in jail for the right reason, he broke the law. Enough said about that.
SanRafaelSwell 3 years ago 2
evolution is not a religion. it requires no faith. it stands on the merits of the accumilated OBSERVABLE evidence. it also excludes the supernatural
TheProf1988 3 years ago 4
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Yes, finally someone said it. It is to a religion. How? Well lets see, I used to know nothing about God, and accepted evolution, now, that ive learned both sides, and yes watch films or the history channel, they will say things evolved into other things, anyways, as I learned more, I didnt want to believe in God, but it took a lot more faith to believe in evolution than God, so I switched. I debated with my friend about it, he said this, direct quote:
ericmober 3 years ago
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xxx: because evolution to me is what god is to you
xxxx:evolution is everything to me
xxxx:it simplifies and solves everything
I hide his name so he doesnt have to deal with anything.
But trust me, evolution is a smart theory, but not possible. You guys never answered, How come there isnt a ton of fossils of the animal switching, or changes in them during there transition?
ericmober 3 years ago
'How come there isnt a ton of fossils of the animal switching, or changes in them during there transition? '
Deatail this transition: start with passer domesticus and draw a line to the end of the page. Research modern bird genetics to get a phylogenetic tree. Then detail the fossils of therapoda and add them to the diagram. What you find is a clear transition between basal thearopds and passerines. repeat with other organisms.
TheProf1988 3 years ago 6
The fossils exist. You lose. lol
castletriglav 3 years ago 4
There are loads of fossils. More than enough. There is an astonishing amount of genetic evidence. The way animals are distributed around the world is evidence when you cross reference that with plate tectonics and the shifting of the land masses.
Read a book that isn't the bible and that you can't buy on creationist websites and you can see for yourself the stunning simplicity, yet incredible intricacy of evolution. I recommend the ancestors tale by richard dawkins.
nick260682 3 years ago 4
"Every science teacher that teaches evolution isa religious advocate."
Sheer ignorance.
No one's required you to believe in anything you've been taught at school. Let science teachers teach accepted science, keep your trap shut and memorize just enough to pass your stupid class, then you can go back to believing whatever ignorant pseudoscientific ideas you want. When you have kids you can homeschool them so they don't have to suffer the horrible onslaught of science you were forced to endure.
CdesignProponentsist 3 years ago
The Theory of Gravity and the Theory of Relativity are religions as well. Newton and Einstein are prophets. I pray to the all might apple 5 times a day.
This is sarcasm if ericmober couldn't tell. Apparently he doesn't know what religion is in the first place.
MonKingIdiot 3 years ago
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I am a Christian who believes in Creation.BUT..i believe in separation of church and state..my faith is 'of free will' not ordered or directed by the Government..
with that said...i do think our schools should offer both views which a student can make an informed decision on their own..the other option would be to drop evolution..where does that leave science which is finely balanced with religion..
Molliepet 3 years ago
But you need to see the quality of what is being taught. Evolution is a scientific theory, so the highest form of knowledge in science. ID is, well, there is no word in science for it, one could call it a philosophy. There are not the least equally qualified to be be taught as equal theories, since ID just isn't one. I have no problem with teaching that in religious classes, where it belongs, but with doing it in science classes, you give a wrong impression on how science works.
FHB71 3 years ago
The problem is, it is science class. Therefore shouldn't they teach the views of scientists? By teaching creationism in science class they aren't representing the views of the scientific community, 99% of whom accept evolution, they are representing the views of religious people. Who aren't scientists. Therefore it has no place in science class.
nick260682 3 years ago 3
Thank you, Barbara, for being awesome and trying to talk some sense into those who lack it.
madcowgirl4h 3 years ago 2
Go Babs!
nag73 3 years ago 2
Can somebody get this woman to debate that idiot Ben Stein?
tattypatty 3 years ago 3
I really feel for American kids who have to go through this. Imagine being told when you're still young that the scientific method is a flawed and basically useless system. How is a society like that going to survive the 21st century?
megamarsvin 3 years ago 2
censorship test
OpenDiscussion 3 years ago
censorship test result: PASS
OpenDiscussion 3 years ago
WRONG: We have a REPUBLIC not a DEMOCRACY.
You can't call upon the constitution as if you know something of it while claiming this great land is a Constitutional Democracy. It's clear where the incompetence is.
israelandersonvideo 3 years ago
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This woman is a complete imbecile. Does she have some sort of thing against God? Is the Barbara Forrest Jewish? Does anyone know? Cheers... the stick...
thechessstick 3 years ago
How would anyone have anything against something that doesn't exist? She has something against idiots who try to teach fairy tales to children.
zoobiewa 3 years ago
I'm getting mixed signals. So religion should stay in a class about religion. Yet, religion is not allowed in school? The constitution is being threatened by creationism? The government didn't run the schools in the 1700's. In fact, the Bible was required reading. Shocking.
ezekiel316 3 years ago
Preferring one religion over others is not allowed. That's how the United States was set up and it's actually worked pretty well.
zoobiewa 3 years ago
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If creationist get their way, there might be morals in school. If that happens, the news might never get a big story of a school shooting. That could be detrimental to the jobs news reporters.
yamascott 3 years ago
Ever heard of an ethics and values class? That teaches moral thinking a lot better than a hypocritical, cherry-picking book.
zoobiewa 3 years ago
Pete I do understand how you feel and I do apologize for offending you but I am speaking the Truth. I do not believe in a theocracy today under any religion or church.
When Christ returns war and destruction will end and men and nations will be judged.
For there in One mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus.
There is No other Name under heaven given to men whereby we must be saved. He alone is Risen from the grave; He is the Last Adam, The Eternal Son of GOD. But 1 GOD for Earth
utubejvs3 3 years ago
"But 1 GOD for Earth" And you DON'T support theocracy? How about Christian theocracy? OR do you just want everyone to acknowledge the your "God" is the real one? This type of thinking has been the bane of humanity.
limbopete 3 years ago
It the God and Creator we have to acknowledge or reject if wish. God is just and He gives us the freedom to choose Pete. Consider the same God created the physical laws of the universe also created the spiritual laws.
God in His Love and goodness wants what is best for us. Many things that seem intolerant save our lives like observing the law of gravity. Humanity is in a pickle for one reason. We walked away not HIM. JESUS is the Way back to LIFE. Taste and see that the LORD is good.
utubejvs3 3 years ago
"Humanity is in a pickle for one reason." That reason is the exact same type of thought process you are using right here. The problem is when people are 100% GODDAMN convinced that it would be better for everyone else to be more like them. You should try being legitimately respectful. When you say "It the God and Creator we have to acknowledge or reject if wish" what you are really saying is tantamount to "It's ok to be wrong, but i'm right". It's CONDESCENDING.
limbopete 3 years ago
Pete it is not about me or you.
The real question is: Is JESUS CHRIST LORD
GOD and SAVIOR. Is he a lunatic, liar, devil or our HIS claims supported by fact and deeds.
My life time study and experience has concluded the JESUS, Yeshua in Hebrew, was and is GOD in the flesh and SAVIOR of mankind.
Read: "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis a former evolutionist and atheist. Study all the prophecies written of Christ before He was born ie Psalm 22, Isaiah 49 53. We will all stand before HIM.
utubejvs3 3 years ago
"The real question is: Is JESUS CHRIST LORD
GOD and SAVIOR. Is he a lunatic, liar, devil or our HIS claims supported by fact and deeds." What facts? There are no facts! The only thing you have to support your religion is your book, which is all any religion has. "Pete it is not about me or you." Wrong. This is about YOU thinking you know what's best for ME (and everyone else that doesn't have blind faith in something with no tangible evidence).
limbopete 3 years ago
Pete there you go again: Israel as a nation is very tangible! Look at the glory, the diaspora and regathering! All that JESUS predicted has happened and is happening in the Middle East. The Bible is sewn together with time space history. Evidence is beyond your ability to read it all:
see windmillministries dot org
Just as water is for all mankind so is JESUS who is in fact as CHRIST the Creator of the UNIVERSE!
No matter what you believe WATER gives life to mankind and so does Christ!
utubejvs3 3 years ago
"Israel as a nation is very tangible! Look at the glory, the diaspora and regathering!" Israel is one of the least glorious places on the planet. All of those people are doomed to slaughter, because nothing short of a nuke is going to calm that place down.
The problem is that both sides feel that God is on their side. The FACT that both sides are in terrible shape leads me to believe neither is true. If your God supports people killing each other for Him then.... your God is a douche bag.
limbopete 3 years ago
God Himself will defend Israel when His Feet set on the Mount of Olives see Zechariah 14.
All the Earth will mourn when they see His pierced hands and feet. See Zech 12 and Revelation Chapter 1. GOD loves all people and all nations. Repentance is the same for a Jew and for a Gentile. Sin is our acting as if we know what it best. It is our self centeredness and independence. It is believing Satan's Lie in the garden.
"Hath GOD said..." The LORD is GOD and He is Holy...Good Bye Pete really
utubejvs3 3 years ago
"God Himself will defend Israel when His Feet set on the Mount of Olives see Zechariah 14" Well hopefully they are not all dead by then. "Sin is our acting as if we know what it best." You should listen to yourself.
limbopete 3 years ago
Which god? There seem to be three different religions vying for that patch of dirt.
zoobiewa 3 years ago
For GOD the Creator so loved the planet earth the has been judged and condemned that He in mercy sent His One and Only Son the Messiah of Israel to give those of the nations an op to believe, trust in Him and regain their stature of rightousness before a Holy GOD and given the free gift of eternal life Only Jesus Christ arose from the dead giving proof that not only He is Christ but that the Father is satisfied with His subtitutionary death on our behalf who will call upon Him in faith. TRUTH!
utubejvs3 3 years ago
God did no such thing because it doesn't exist. Man I love completely talking past one another. Haha. The difference is you think somehow you are going to convince me with language and crap arguments that I see as pathetic. I KNOW I can't convince you.
Can there be a subjective truth?
zoobiewa 3 years ago
I thought you wanted objective Truth?
Can there be a reasonable foundation of evidence for Christianity and the claims of Jesus Christ? YES! Will you you listen and consider those claims? Only you can answer that but there is alot of objective evidence the JESUS was who He claimed to be.
Write me back and I will direct you to links, books and other sources it you are seeking?
Life and Death are not "crap arguments".
How do you determine the Truth? What is your criteria?
utubejvs3 3 years ago
Even if god exists, that answers so little of the questions. Even if Jesus was who he said he was, I would not be satisfied. Existence seems extremely paradoxical. How does anything exist? A god existing is just as absurd as an electron existing. The "answers" that any religion offers are piddly. Who cares if god exists (and I don't think it does)? It still makes no sense.
zoobiewa 3 years ago
It makes no sense to you now because you are cut off from God but once you turn to Christ the blinders come off. You can believe or not believe but reality is not changed by our opinions. The same GOD who created the LAWS of life invites you to humble yourself to return to the Creator who dearly loves you.
Jesus is the Door to reconciliation with GOD.
Follow Him and you will not be ashamed.
I wish you GOD's peace and eternal health.
utubejvs3 3 years ago
Then why do people turn away from god and realize it doesn't answer a thing? If what you say is true, that means that would mean that nobody would ever turn away from such a coherent, insightful belief system.
zoobiewa 3 years ago
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then why do people turn away from god and realize it doesn't answer a thing?
Why? You know why because all of us like sheep have gone astray turning into our own independent self centered ways. We want to do our own thing without an Authority over us.
But God has laid on HIM the LAMB of GOD the sin of us all who turn to HIM in faith and turn our heart over to His care.
utubejvs3 3 years ago
So being self-centered is better than having a divine connection? If god is so great then why would anybody stray? If people can stray then it's probably not that wondrous of an understanding. You first of all told me that if I only knew god that everything would make sense. So why do people stray? They don't want things to make sense anymore?
You do understand that your bible quotes (or your biblical language, I don't know which it is) are essentially non-sensical to me?
zoobiewa 3 years ago
In response to your: it makes no sense to you now because you are cut off from God.
So because you might happen to be a poor communicator it is MY fault? Wow.
zoobiewa 3 years ago
That's not an answer at ALL. You didn't listen to what I said. You aren't replying to me. You aren't acknowledging my criticisms in the least. Do you care if people actually listen to you or are you simply raving?
zoobiewa 3 years ago
Of course I care but you don't like the answers that give LIFE. I care for you but you can't sense it. GOD is working in my heart toward you but you want to remain in your own path. I am not your enemy but a real friend who will tell you the truth even if it may hurt.
utubejvs3 3 years ago
"Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has." "To be a Christian, you must pluck out the eye of reason." -Martin Luther-
"We sacrifice the intellect to god" -Ignatius Loyola
Congratulations!!! You have snatched AND plucked. Now you can only spout what you are told or read in that crappy book. Have you ever dared ask yourself why your god simply didn't just forgive us instead of going through such a stupid charade?
TheScepticOne 3 years ago 5
Atheism=Death of the soul and disinagration of
the human character and personality. It causes of the cancer of self-centered (self-divine)world view alienated from GOD. But the Creator in HIS Love in mercy after judging our planet sent His Son, Jesus Christ to save mankind from self destruction.
Psalm 18:46 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my Rock;and let the God of my salvation be exalted.
utubejvs3 3 years ago
"Atheism=Death of the soul and disinagration of
the human character and personality" Eh? "Psalm 18:46 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my Rock;and let the God of my salvation be exalted." Mmmhmm. *pat on head*
limbopete 3 years ago
Pete let me tell you a story about a retarded boy who once lived with his father. His father gave him everything regardless of his condition; the best of food and shelter and even a place to enjoy the sunshine and to play. One day the father however gave up and sent the boy to the state institution. Friends asked why?
The father sadly said,"I loved my son and I would have continued to provide for him if only once he would of looked up and said, "my Daddy" Alas he never recognized me...
utubejvs3 3 years ago
I must be missing something here. What is point of this story? I'm not being insulting on this question. I just really don't the relevance of this story.
A4AgnstcFndmntlst 3 years ago
So this is your personal story then, I take it? Because you've demonstrated nothing short of mental retardation in posting it.
limbopete 3 years ago
Google her name: Barbara Forrest
Ask yourself what is her hidden agenda.
She is a self proclaimed atheist.
Most Christians have no agenda to take over the government. Faith based Evolution as taught by neo darwinians should not be done on our tax dollars. All the new age teaching in the world can not obliterate the knowledge of the Creator. True science explores and discovers the TRUTH but can not eliminate it.
utubejvs3 3 years ago
"Google her name:
Barbara Forrest" You assume I don't know who she is. "Most Christians have no agenda to take over the government. " I think that many (I hesitate to say "most") Christians wouldn't mind if our public policies were more in accordance with...... Christianity. All you have left, after I call you on you quote mining, is empty rhetoric. Yep.