12. Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues?
NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel.-NIST's FAQ Aug 30, 2006
Why should anyone look for explosives when even demolition companies state there weren't any?
Here's what actual ImplosionWorld says:
"DID THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS ACTUALLY IMPLODE? No. They collapsed in an uncontrolled fashion, causing extensive damage to surrounding structures, roadways and utilities."
"[...]there is no visible or audible indication that explosives or any other supplemental catalyst was used in the attack."
Seeing douchebags like you getting pissed so quickly is beyond hilarious. As for the spelling, it's funny that my spelling is better than yours, and I'm a German..
Did you ever have any formal education? If not, then that might explain why you became a 9/11 twoofer hugging the pseudo science of Mr. Richard-cardboard-box-Gage.
@NotableJInx2 I'm not getting angry Mr Genius. First of all, give me some real clear evidence proofing to me that there was no Nano - Thermite found in the WTC rubble. Since your saying there was "Invisible Thermite". And "Twoofer"? Really? Don't be so childish, that's not even a funny joke, let alone insulting joke.
You want evidence "proofing" there was no "Nano-Thermite"? Do you want a high school diploma to go with that, Sir? I have no clue what gave you the idea that you have some authority on critizing other people's spelling. Apart from that, no I'm not going to prove a negative to you.
If it was so "obvious that the WTC was brought down with thermite", don't you think that now would be a good moment to present the evidence? 'Cause I'm becoming weary of watching you humiliate yourself with backfiring accusations and kindergarden rhetoric.
Imagine this to be a court of law. Truthers had 10 years to actually bring their "evidence" in front of court, but youtube is fine for practicing purposes I might imagine. Truthers' playground so-to-speak.
Don't listen to this guy. He uses a whole bunch of quotes that I repeatedly proved he took drastically out of context. You can find every single one of his quotes online in their entirety, and you can clearly see how he edited them to fit his agenda. Don't let him throw you off with his lies.
The source: nucleardemolition.+com/GZero_Report.pdf
The chemical analysis of dust fallout samples from the WTC: concentration of Strontium and Barium exeded the maximum level at least 300 times at epicenter(0.37%Ba,0.31%Str. by weight),the other places -40 times.The samples was taken from 35 locations on 0.5-1km radius.Quote: These are not trace amounts.They are highly dangerous and toxic amounts.Str.and Bar.are the major elements resulting from uranium fission
At least the 9/11 Truthers are not as crazy like the holocaust deniers. BTW some scientists and brilliant people believed the holocaust never happened. My favorite is the no planes crowd! Fantastic and award winning.
So according to twoofers, a plane loaded with jet fuel smashing in the side of a steel building at 550 mph causing infernos lasting for hours weakening most of the steel bars supporting the tower CAN'T destroy a building. That makes absolute total sense.
The South Tower lasted 56 minutes. Not hours Einstein. And fire has NEVER brought down a steel frmed high rise beofre or after 911. Do you know what the word probability means? Do some research other than 911 myths.
"Don't make me do the dirty work. 6.5 million scientists worldwide"
Yes, what a crazy idea? Me asking you to back up anything you say?
@muzicmaker2001 56 minutes is pretty much an hour. WTC1 certainly burned for an hour and a half or so. Still enough to bring the steel down past 50% of their strength.
The steel sections of the Windsor tower collapsed by fire in 2005. Many burning buildings survived because there was firefighting work done. No firefighting was done in the WTC. The massive holes in the building fed too much oxygen to the fires.
When else has a huge steel building been hit by speeding jets before or after 911?
"56 minutes..Still enough to bring the steel down past 50% of their strength"
Do you mean enough time except for every other known steel frame high rise even lasting 18 hours (One Meridian Plaza Fire)? And the fires in the Towers affected 4-8 floors out of 110 floors. Massive holes? Some of the examples of other high rise fires engulfed the entire building like the Windsor Tower that you brought up. The Windsor fire lasted almost 24 hrs and the building did not TOTALLY collapse.
Proof you guys are stubborn and won't research. Anyway, I already gave you a source for my evidence, I can't write websites on here but AAAS has the answer to how many scientists there are in the world. Almost 6 million and a half. And from there you can subtract the 1600 twoofer scientists and you still have millions that didn't sign up for Twoofclub.
Post just one website where specific names are given of experts that support the OV. Just to keep it fair, here's a couple of sites with experts that don't.
What the truther would say: the Empire State Building was owned by Jews so they didn't wire it with explosives in anticipation of the crash, and Truman had a (D) next to his name. Only presidents with an (R) next to their name blow up their own country. LOL
You first thought that truthers believed that the FDNY wired the WTCs with explosives. So, I really don't think you are the spokesperson truthers are looking for, ok?
Zzzzzzzzz. Plane hit building > Plane go "boom"! > Building weaken > Building fall. End of conspiracy. Watch "History Channel 9/11 Myths" and stay in school.
"Plane hit building > Plane go "boom"! > Building weaken > Building fall."
Did you mean except for every know plane VS. building impact? Plane hit building here in clip below, go boom. no building fall down. Why? Cause plane made of flimsy aluminum.
watch?v=9ZKf0s4aqkU
B-25 bomber hit Empire State Building, tall building still there. reserach could with
Yeah, a tiny B-25 bomber smashing into a concrete building with low fuel at low speeds with fires that burned out after 10 to 20 minutes is exactly the same as a jet liner with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel hitting a steel building at 550 mph with ensuing infernos for an hour.
Way to make an exact, fully explained comparison! A round of applause for you!
Twoofer: No plane hit WTC7 and it fell exactly in the same manner.
Science: But a massive 100 tonne segment of steel hit WTC7, destroying 1/4 of the building! And the mechanical penthouse broke most of the vertical core supports! That took 10 seconds, and the rest took 7 seconds! That's 17 seconds!
Twoofer: But weren't the other buildings hit by steel?
Science: They were built very differently from WTC7 and were not hit in such a critical spot!
Science: They were built extremely different to WTC 7 and were hit differently. Even so, nearly half of each building collapsed and almost all of WTC3!
Twoofer: But the NIST report said fires destroyed WTC7!
Science: Fires certainly helped. They massive fires weakened the steel easily. Being taller, WTC7 had more access to air, keeping the fires burning. The short WTCs didn't have this access, so the fires were smaller.
LOGIC: If you use the differences between the other steel frame high rises as a reason why they did not collapse, please explain why the Towers and WTC7 DID collapse with their known differences:
Height, structure, design
Plane impact vs none
Jet fuel vs none
Upper damage vs. Lower
And what did the Towers and WTC7 have in commonm to have caused the extreme temps buried underneath them? Any ideas?
Twoof Tinfoil Hatter: You guys are so stupid believing the government. You guys and Les Robertson are all dumb idiots for believing NIST.
Actual person: I believe the scientists that agree with me. Common sense also defeats your theories. Controlled demolitions don't cause massive infernos and buckle vertical supports. They blow them away. They also create very audible explosions.
Twoofer: Oh no I got rebutted, might as well change the subject now because im so smart
Ok, since "scientists agree with you," let's make this very simple. How about posting just 10 engineers not directly involved with the 911 investigation that show their support for the official version? Just 10?
@muzicmaker2001 10 scientists: 1.Les Robertson 2.Jake Pauls 3.Matthys Levy 4.D. Allan Firmage 5.A. Woodruff Miller 6.Forman A. Williams 7.Manuel Garcia Jr. 8.Ryan Mackey 9. Noam Chomsky 10.Donald Friedman Hell have some more: Jia Liang Le Frank R. Greening David B. Benson T. Wierzbicki X. Teng Zdenek P. Bazant
I guess you didn't read my post carefully..."that show their support for the official version?" How about a website like the ones I posted where they give their concurrence? Try again...
"NIST didn't record the temperature of the steel. NASA did."
"Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 ºC (480ºF). Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC (1110ºF)." (p 140)-NIST
WTF LOGIC: I believe the scientists that agree with me.
REALITY: But, you haven't produced even one scientist that agrees with you?
WTF LOGIC: If there are 10 million scientists in the world and only 1600 signed a petition, that means 10 million agree
REALITY: Uhh, what?
WTF LOGIC: Stupid twoofer. If a million people watch baseball a year, and none of them sign a petition stating they don't like hot dogs, that means a million of them like mustard.
Twoof: If i get rebutted, I'm going to keep switching topics! Especially ask for imaginary lists that don't exist and when I could easily find the names on different webpages! I'm going to keep pretending they're on one list! That'll sure show them debunkers that my pseudo-scientific theories are right! I'm so smart!
Real Reality: Every scientist (6.5 million of them) was (and still are) offered the chance to sign and they didn't. Why not? Why did only 1600 sign?
@MazJax Hey MJ, here's your opportunity to start a petition of scientists who OPPOSE the truth movement. It should be easy for you -- out of 6.5 million you'll only need a couple of thousand to put us Truthers to shame!! Get going now, if you really want to put strength behind your bold words. Good luck on your mission, should you accept it.
Sign a petition? Why? What will they gain from winning over the truth movement? Do they have something to prove? Not really...
Do you see any scientists at ground zero screaming "911 was not an inside job!" at the top of their lungs? No, because they could care less about the truth movement.
I thought what you are really trying to say you can't find a number of scientists with their specific names given that wll sign any petition opposing the truth movement, correct?
Why should any scientist sign a petition opposing the truth movement, dim-wit?
What's next? Geologists signing petitions against the young earth creationists and their dismissal of radiocarbon dating? Come to think of it, we have to organise a movement against the Flat Earth society, too! We have to refute their evidence!
Jesus, are you THAT stupid? I can't decide whether I should laugh at you or just facepalm.
So, what you are saying is you have no support from experts outside of the official investigation? How can that be? This is so obviously an act of terrorism from 19 cave dwellers with the intelligence to outsmart the entire US military..seems logical to me.
A petition opposing the claims of the truth movement?
Lol, sure. After we're done with the anti-Flat Earth Society petition and geologists against Young Earth creationism. You're deluded to think that any scientist in the world would take 9/11 truth seriosuly. Seriously.
Debunker: WTC7 had more access to air, keeping the fires burning
LOGIC: But, a steel framed high rise has NEVER collapsed due to fire before or after
Debunker: NEVER is not really a long time if you think about it, right?
LOGIC: So, three high rises all collapsing all on the same day is not weird to you?
Debunker: Even though they were all steel framed high rises, I will point out every minute difference between them..like different handles on the tiolets. get it dumb twoofer!!!
@muzicmaker2001 Twoof: No steel skyscraper collapse from fire. Debunker: They were designed and built differently from WTC. Twoof" SILLY debunk what design have to do with it?! Debunker: Everything. Twoof: But still why they no collapse? Debunker: They weren't hit by debris and planes, unlike WTC. Twoof: Duh 3 skyscrapers fell on same day! Debunker: Two were purposely attacked by planes, the other got hit by debris. It's not that strange. How is this proof of a conspiracy? Twoof: Uh
LOGIC: Many of the characteristics of a controlled demolition were present such as near free fall, explosions, demolition flashes and pre-collapse ground shaking. Are these normal for a building collapse?
911 SHILL: Well that's just some crazy twoofer talk
LOGIC: And we have direct video/audio evidence and witness accounts backing them
911 SHILL: Does video evidence and backing witness acocunts mean alot? Yes? Drats!!
WTC7 had 3 massive diesel generators. That is the sound of a generator exploding. One bomb ( the supposed explosion) couldn't bring down a skyscraper. You can also hear WTC7 collapsing even before the explosion, so it was not a bomb.
As for the video of the towers: The guy was standing over an active subway rail. The sound would have had to be heard at the base, but no. It was the sound of the passing subway.
Ok, rationalize everyone of these? Keep in mind that some of these accounts of explosions were in the basement levels about 1000 ft below the impacted area. Good luck.
"before No. 2 came down, I saw low-level flashes I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down ... You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw."- NYFD Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory
"It almost sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight"- NYFD Firefighter Thomas Turilli
"There was just an explosion in the south tower. It seemed like on television when they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."- NYFD Firefighter Richard Banaciski
"It was like a professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."
I've heard all points of view, from people trying to debunk the obvious, to all of the rebuttals to the debunkers. In the end it's still still as plain as day: Hijacked planes caused the tower collapses. If someone with "credentials" questions whether the earth is round do you believe them? Because really we're questioning two things that are equally obvious.
I think most intelligent people choose to listen to a structural engineer. pilot, scientists rather than some random guy on YT that travels to multiple pages related to 911 defending it. That's you...Can you say agenda?
@muzicmaker2001 Watch the History Channel's show about 911 myths (also on YT) that debunks all of your superstitions with expert rebuttals if you need an expert to think for you. Oh wait... I know. You're gonna say that the History Channel is owned by the Jews!!!! What is YOUR agenda?
We do agree on one thing. Its really nothing moe than common sense. Are these events normal or expected from a pancake building collapse due to a plane impact?
1. Near free fall collapse
2. Witness accounts of explosions
3. Pulverized concrete at initiation of collapse
4. Pre-collapse ground shaking
5. Demolition flashes
6. No physical evidence of extreme heat at impact hole but..
7. Extreme temps buried in basement/rubble for weeks
My agenda is to spread the truth and expose the evidence that many people have not seen. After all, this stuff won't be on FOX news anytime soon, right?
@BladeJones WAY TO CONTRADICT YOURSELF. I'LL JUST LET YOU FIGURE THAT OUT READING YOUR COMMENT YOURSELF. YOU PRETTY MUCH CANCELED YOUR OWN STATEMENT. THAT IS IF YOU LIKE WHEN OTHERS THINK FOR YOU.
Nobody with common sense or who isn't a Muslim or from France believes that NYFD rigged the trade center buildings with explosives. We all know that 5 planes were hijacked and never reached their destinations because they crashed as reported. Painfully simple cause and effect. Is the earth round or is it flat? How do you know? Have you ever been into space or do you merely assume that it's round because of what NASA has told you? This is the same moronic logic that "truthers" adopt.
Do you mean nobody with common sense except for these people. I can't figure out if they are Muslim or from France? But, yes. The Earth is still round.
patriotsquestion911*com/engineers*html
1,500+ Engineers and Architects
250+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
@muzicmaker2001 This is YOUR theory -- not mine. Who is the demolition crew who rigged the building without being seen tearing out drywall? You tell me. This is entertaining.
Uhh, I love ignorance. When was it said that the FDNY rigged the buildng with explosives? I don't think anyone believes that. It is funny though. How could anyone who wasn't directly involved know who rigged the building? Yes, ignorance and desperation to defend a lie is very entertaining...and I guess the 1500 engineers that dispute the OV are all nutjobs? Can you post your credentials to evaluate this? I love the YT engineers.
@muzicmaker2001 Whoever posted this video laughably believes that SOMEBODY rigged the buildings with explosives when anyone with analytical skills can see that the hijacked planes caused it. It really doesn't matter what someone's credentials are. You don't need to be an engineer. If you can think for yourself you don't need someone else to explain it. A soccer mom can figure this out. Hijacked planes caused the collapse.
Uhh, SOMEONE doesn't always mean the FDNY Einstein. And it doesn't matter what someone's credntials? Really? More brilliance. Why do we need experts anyway? Can you find another job? Defending 911 is just not your thing.
@BladeJones BFD. Can you analyze facts by yourself? I've met plenty of retards with degrees. Common sense and irrefutable facts trump a few nut job's opinions.
LOL. And why didn't the explosive charges get detonated when the plane hit the towers? For 1 hour and 41 minutes those explosive charges survived the 800 + degree heat. LOL. This video is laughable. Only an idiot believes this video.
800+ degree heat? Where? The impacts were planned...
"Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 ºC (480ºF). Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC (1110ºF)." (p 140)-NIST
@muzicmaker2001 Oh. OK. You're so right. Jet fuel burns at about 90 degrees Fahrenheit. Jet fuel only causes mild skin irritation so it CERTAINLY wouldn't ignite demolition charges. How about OJ? Did he kill his X or was that George Bush's ploy to divert attention way from politics?
Enter logic: If this heat was hot enough to weaken massive steel to total failure and ignite demo charges, why didn't it harm the people seen at the impact hole? Were these people wearing asbestos suits or something? Or maybe they just stepped over these 800+ temps? It only takes a brain...
@muzicmaker2001 This from a certified YouTube expert. You're right. Jet fuel burns at about 90 degrees. It was mildly hot up there on that ole' 87th floor. Maybe even a little bit "chilly". I'm surprised that jet fuel is able to even lift a plane off the ground being that it burns so cold. Mohammed Atta must be an innocent man too. Wrongly fingered by the Zionist US media right?
@muzicmaker2001 I just poured jet fuel on my hand and set it on fire. Your chemistry and physics calculations are 100% correct. The fire was only mildly irritating. Wasn't hot at all and my hand looks perfectly normal. Fire is over-rated. Not anything like the Bush Zionists say. My oven broiler get up to 500 degrees. Much hotter than wimpy jet fuel.
Well, hold onto something. I just walked over 800+ degree temps for 102 minutes and my sneaks are not even sinched. But, massive steel was weakening around me by 50%...
@muzicmaker2001 The "jumpers" jumped because they were told there were FREE Reese's Peanut Butter Cups below -- not because any building was on fire due to a plane crash.
The people were seen at the North Tower impact hole approx 20 mins before it collapsed. From impact to collapse, there was 102 mins. This means 80 full minutes went by for the 800+ degree temps to heat the steel beneath them, right? But, they walked to the impact hole. So, when you stated 800 degree temps, did you mean another way of measuring heat? Like Kelvin for instance? Or maybe your own made up temp conversion like if it can melt butter=800+ dgrees?
How can you prove 10 million people agree? Because the ae911 truth was open to every scientist in the world. But only 1600 agreed to sign. Why didn't anybody else sign? Are they all idiots? Do you know much better than them?
@muzicmaker2001 I love how you guys use these obscure arguments that you think will somehow prove you right. Do you think there are only 1600 scientists worldwide, and that they all agree with the conspiracy theories?
According to AAAS there were 5.8 million scientists worldwide, in 2006. Today, the number has jumped to 6.6 million.
Alright, so there aren't 10 million. But that number still crushes that wimpy number of 1600 twoofer scientists.
Ya know what would've saved us alot of here? If you just stated, "I have absolutely no proof of specific names of engineers/experts that support the OV. And this is just my blind assumption" from the start. But, it was a pleasure.
@muzicmaker2001 You should realize that nobody will waste their time making a list of names of such a huge majority of people, especially without a demand. You know why there is a list of twoofer scientists? Because they are such a small minority that their numbers are basically nonexistant compared to the rest of the world's scientists, therefore making them easy to list. And because the twoofers have such low egos that they need a list of people as if to say it somehow proves them right?
@muzicmaker2001 You should realize that nobody will waste their time making a list of names of such a huge majority of people, especially without a demand. You know why there is a list of twoofer scientists? Because they are such a small minority that their numbers are basically nonexistant compared to the rest of the world's scientists, therefore making them easy to list. And because the twoofers have such low egos that they need a list of people as if to say it somehow proves them right
Again, why bother stating that 10 million scientists support something when you have no proof of it? And, so you know, the process of elimination is not proof.
@MazJax AND I COULD ASK WHY WASNT WTC BUILDING SEVEN IN THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT AT ALL AS IF IT WAS A STREET LIGHT THAT FELL THAT DAY? WHY DID THEY BARELY GIVE IT MEDIA ATTENTION? WHY DOES LIKE ONLY HALF OF AMERICA KNOWS ABOUT THE BUILDING 7 THAT FELL? BECAUSE THE HIGHER UPS DONT LIKE WHEN THEY GET QUESTIONED. ONLY 1500 ARCHITECTS ARE STANDING AGAINST THIS BECAUSE ONLY 1500 OF THEM ARE AWARE. GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE THE CLOUDS. EVEN LARRY SILVERSTEIN SAID HE PULLED THAT BUILDING.
@YouBeMadlol WTC3,4,5,6, the ST. Nicholas Church, The Fiterman hall, and the Deutsche Bank Building weren't in the Commission either. These buildings were destroyed beyond the point of repair, or collapsed. The Comission wasn't an engineering report, it was about how the US managed to get attacked in such a way.
So the millions of other scientists (like the WTC designer L. Robertson) who are against the theories are all unaware of the situatiuon. They're all brain-dead retards aren't they? Ha
@muzicmaker2001 There is proof, search it up. Don't make me do the dirty work. 6.5 million scientists worldwide. I was only 3 million off. You guys do so much worse. I've seen tons of twoofers saying most of the world's scientists agree with alex jones and the other twoof gang leaders. But you guys have ONLY EVER HAD 1600 SUPPORTING YOU! LOL!
@MazJax Enter logic: Beijing Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire, lasted: 3 hrs First Interstate Bank Fire, lasted:3.5 hrs 1 New York Plaza Fire, lasted: 6 hrs Caracas Tower Fire, lasted: 17 hrs One Meridian Plaza Fire, lasted:18 hrs ALL AFOREMENTIONED STEEL FRAMED HIGH RISES DID NOT COLLAPSE South Tower, collapsed after awhopping 56 minutes!!! North Tower, collapsed after 102 minutes
@muzicmaker2001 The one near the CCTV building is more modernized in structure, more so than WTC7, had no burning office equipment, had no collapsing penthouse (which triggered WTC7 collapse) and was not hit by falling debris. Had WTC7 not been hit by debris, destroying 1/4 of the building, it would have remained standing.
You can't compare those shorter buildings to heavier, taller building hit by planes and debris.
@muzicmaker2001 First interstate bank fire: Quite close to collapse, but the building was not damaged by debris, remember. The fire was less intense as the location had less access to oxygen.
New York Plaza: Built differently, not a tube design like WTC
Caracas Tower: Concrete building, not steel
Meridian Plaza: Smaller fire, although still damaged.
The WTC had massive fires, debris/plane damage, was built entirely of steel and had a different structure to any of the aforementioned buildings.
@YouBeMadlol Judging by the caps lock, and the username, i'd say you're a mere troll. I hope you like pretending all the scientists that disagree with you are retards while you troll on the internet thinking you're a damn genius.
Nobody died in the WTC7 and it wasn't even a target of the terrorists.
@YouBeMadlol Where exactly does Silverstein say "I decided to pull WTC7 down"..? He says THEY ( The fdny) decided to pull it (the firefighting operation).
Besides, "Pull" in terms of demolition means to bring a building down using cables...Was WTC7 brought down using cables?
@MazJax TO PULL A BUILDING IS A TERM MEANING TO BRING A BUILDING DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, TELL ME SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHY THIS UNEVENLY DAMAGED HIGH-RISE COLLAPSED AS IF IT WAS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION? NO. BECAUSE YOU'RE IN DENIAL AND YOU'RE SCARED OF A REVOLUTON.
@movieklump WHAT DOES CAPS HAVE TO DO WITH WTC7? DO I CARE? AND WHAT HAPPENS IF I WAS RUDE USING CAPS? WHAT WILL HAPPEN? NOTHING? OKAY. LET'S BE RELEVANT AND NOT TALK ABOUT CAPS. THIS IS A VIDEO ABOUT WTC 7 AFTER ALL AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW BASIC ENGLISH AND CAN COMPREHEND ALL CAPS. IF NOT I GUESS THAT'S A PERSONAL PROBLEM. ANYWAYS, WHY DO YOU DEFEND YOUR GOVERNMENT AS IF THEY NEVER DID FALSE FLAGS AGAINST US BEFORE? IT AMAZES ME HOW DEPENDENT PEOPLE ARE THEY DEFEND THEIR GOVERNMENT NO MATTER WHAT
Operation Northwoods - Pentagon planned false flag attack - kill us citizens in US (highjack + bombs) -> blame cuba - war against cuba. Kennedy against it - Kennedy killed.
Iraq - 2nd largest oil occurrence of the world (had power against USA by stopping oil exports to usa)
Afghanistan - USA needed oil pipeline to be independent from Russia + Iran pipelines, but Afghanistan didn`t cooperate...
USA world domination tour. Silverstein got 5 billion, Bush golden oil card
- pilot from US air force + lieutennant from nato air force (germany) said -> boeing can always be detected - no matter if they turn the transmitter off or not
- interceptiors from pentagon didn`t even start (very unusual)
- 2001 in 67 air emergencys every single plane was found - except 4 boeings on 911
- pentagon chief said in an interview: the missile..ah..plane hit the pentagon
- all live TV and amateur videos edited (no handy vids found)
if you would do some research you will find THAT:
air force + boeing + NATO pilots, plane engineers, air controller, firemen, analytical chemists, physicists, blaster..etc. => from all over the world (US, Italy, France, Germany, England, Denmark, Japan...)
say - never ever could a boeing melt into this steel building, exploding ALL inside + 3 skyscrapers collapse: look on google/pictures -> WTC STRUCTURE
a jassm missile plane can, so i don`t believe your official blablabla.
Not to mention that huge, distinct, unbelievably loud series of explosions shortly after collapse that SOMEHOW everybody in New York and every camera videotaping the collapse that day failed to hear! Compare a video of an actual controlled demolition and the WTC collapse, and you'll see! They look and sound EXACTLY the same!
Those 10 million architects and structural engineers that disagree with the truther theories sure are dumb, huh guys? We tinfoil hatters know so much better than they do!
@muzicmaker2001 There are an estimated 10 million structural engineers worldwide. You can't argue this. They were all offered to sign the "re-investigate 911" petition but only 1600 signed it.
Unless you have taken a poll of those "estimated 10 million structural engineers worldwide" and know that they ALL agree with the official version, you have no idea of what position is. This is just your blind assumption...
I'd love to see the evidence of this poll given to 10 million engineers and the evidence of 10 million structural engineers please. How about in your next post?
There isn't any written "poll" but it can be figured out with easy logic. If you can't use your brain, it's not my fault.
Imagine 10 million people were given a chance to sign a petition. Only 1600 signed it. Don't you think the ones that didn't sign it disagree with what the petition has to offer? Otherwise, they would have signed it.
I don't think I can make this any simpler for you to understand.
Good points. The petition should have also allowed the signers to express what issues they wanted re-investigated and why. Some or most of the signers may have only had questions about small portions of the NIST report, and it is being portrayed that they disagree with official investigation results in total.
@muzicmaker2001Tell me, how I'm supposed to find a website that doesn't exist? How do you put the names of 10 million people on a website? You can't put a list of names for those in support of the official story if their number is 99.99% out of the 10 and more million architects and scientists worldwide.
From the top of my head, I can list:
Les Robertson (Designer of WTC)
John Skilling
Irwin Cantor
Matthys Levy
W. Gene Corley
ae911"truth" only has 1600 members. That's an easy list.
Why is it very easy to find many websites where experts give their names against the OV, but nothing as far as a website for experts that support it? How just some of the supposed 10 million people? Nothing at all? Not one website?
Because it's very easy to list such a small minority. Like I said, 1600 people is nothing.
You will never see a written list of historians that agree the holocaust happened. There is no written list of scientists that know the moon landing happened. This is because they are such a majority, and no list like that would be possible to make.
Why are you in such denial that there are 10 million scientists worldwide? And that only 1600 agree with the CT's?
@muzicmaker2001 Can you find me a website that shows the specific names of the firefighters and WTC survivors that think it was a controlled demolition?
Uhh, you are the one that stated 10 million scientists agree with the OV, not the other way around. And logically, how can anyone prove that 10 million agree with the conspiracy or OV without direct evidence? That's your fantasy, not mine. Ok. Let's start small. How about a website where just 50 engineer's names are given that agree with the OV? You asked for survivors and firefighters and you got it. But, you have produced exactly SQUAT so far.
Yeah, that totally looked and sounded just like the WTC collapse! I mean, look at the photos! You just can't count the amount of massive holes in the drywall filled with explosives and thermite! Just look at all that det cord strewn about the floors!! Those 40,000 employees in the towers must have all been blind to not have seen or reported them! It amazes me how the clean up crew managed to remove every tiny fragment left of the explosives in less than a second after collapse so that noone saw!
@splendid1000 "I love internet engineers with their fifteen minute google degrees."
Speaking of internet engineers, I saw some of your previous posts where you declare that buildings like the WTC had a 2000% safety factor. Do you have any references for that statement?
A 2000% safety factor in all stess conditions means a 20 to 1 design safety factor. If that is the case, then even morons like yourself could design buildings that NO ONE could afford to build.
Just a heads up. nevillechamberlain travels to multiple YT pages related to 911 in a desperate attempt to defend this lie. You can't take anything he says/posts seriously.
@muzicmaker2001 "nevillechamberlain travels to multiple YT pages related to 911 in a desperate attempt to defend this lie. You can't take anything he says/posts seriously."
A predictable post from you, Muzak. If you twothers are found incompetent on the technical evidence, it is time change to the subject to motivation. Both Hitler and Stalin followed the same changing propaganda agenda.
IMO, pointing out you common agenda and theme with Hitler and Stalin, will unlikely cause you pause.
@muzicmaker2001 Well for one thing there many are pictures of the steel workers cutting the beams at an angle just like that. There is also a vid on youtube of two of the demo crew at the site riding up an elevator explaining their work, and in it they point out some of the angle cut beams and say they cut them. Sorry can't remember the name of that vid, but maybe I can find it.
Actually, no it doesn't. It shows two people talking about making cuts. Noone is actually shown making any cuts. How do we know that those two people are not actors?
@muzicmaker2001 Actors!!! are kidding me! Anyway if you just look at some photos of the site immediately after you would see these steel columns NOT cut. These pieces were much taller at first.
JOURNAL OF THE MINERALS, METALS AND MATERIALS SOCIETY (53/12:8-11) state that even with its strength halved, the steel in the World Trade Center could still support two or three times the stresses imposed by a 650 degrees centigrade or 1250 degrees fahrenheit fire.
As for the top to bottom collapses, I've seen two in person.They had to detonate top to bottom because they didnt have the proper foundation explosives and wanted to couple the energy from the collapse with the foundation explosives they did have detonating at the same time to ensure global collapse. I dont have video but that doesnt even matter.The fact is, a top to bottom collapse is completely feasible, especially when you have the proper equipment and a severely weakend foundation.
Hey, NIST didn't look for nukes and Tesla weaponry, either. Conspiracy, cover-up! ROFL.
NotableJInx2 3 weeks ago 2
@NotableJInx2
Just a guess..but I think you don't find thermite when you're not looking for it, huh?
muzicmaker2001 3 weeks ago
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@muzicmaker2001
So first it's explosives. Then after I've proven with expert statements that explosives were not involved, you bring thermite?
Damn, you're desperate. And boring. Probably a troll. Bye troll ;)
NotableJInx2 3 weeks ago
So you don't have any evidence for thermite, then? Sad.
NotableJInx2 3 weeks ago
@NotableJInx2
12. Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues?
NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel.-NIST's FAQ Aug 30, 2006
muzicmaker2001 3 weeks ago
@muzicmaker2001
Why should anyone look for explosives when even demolition companies state there weren't any?
Here's what actual ImplosionWorld says:
"DID THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS ACTUALLY IMPLODE? No. They collapsed in an uncontrolled fashion, causing extensive damage to surrounding structures, roadways and utilities."
"[...]there is no visible or audible indication that explosives or any other supplemental catalyst was used in the attack."
NotableJInx2 3 weeks ago 2
WTC 7 was such an obvious controlled demoltion its not even funny, WTC 1, 2 were also, but with Nano - Thermite.
liljuve13 2 months ago
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NotableJInx2 4 weeks ago
@NotableJInx2 Learn how to spell, then come talk to me.
liljuve13 4 weeks ago
@liljuve13
Seeing douchebags like you getting pissed so quickly is beyond hilarious. As for the spelling, it's funny that my spelling is better than yours, and I'm a German..
Did you ever have any formal education? If not, then that might explain why you became a 9/11 twoofer hugging the pseudo science of Mr. Richard-cardboard-box-Gage.
NotableJInx2 4 weeks ago
@NotableJInx2 I'm not getting angry Mr Genius. First of all, give me some real clear evidence proofing to me that there was no Nano - Thermite found in the WTC rubble. Since your saying there was "Invisible Thermite". And "Twoofer"? Really? Don't be so childish, that's not even a funny joke, let alone insulting joke.
liljuve13 4 weeks ago
@liljuve13
You're bright bulb, aren't you?
You want evidence "proofing" there was no "Nano-Thermite"? Do you want a high school diploma to go with that, Sir? I have no clue what gave you the idea that you have some authority on critizing other people's spelling. Apart from that, no I'm not going to prove a negative to you.
NotableJInx2 4 weeks ago
@liljuve13
If it was so "obvious that the WTC was brought down with thermite", don't you think that now would be a good moment to present the evidence? 'Cause I'm becoming weary of watching you humiliate yourself with backfiring accusations and kindergarden rhetoric.
Imagine this to be a court of law. Truthers had 10 years to actually bring their "evidence" in front of court, but youtube is fine for practicing purposes I might imagine. Truthers' playground so-to-speak.
NotableJInx2 4 weeks ago
ae911's new film "9/11 Explosive Evidence.." is excellent.. highly recommended.
millvalleyrn 4 months ago
@Ham549
Don't listen to this guy. He uses a whole bunch of quotes that I repeatedly proved he took drastically out of context. You can find every single one of his quotes online in their entirety, and you can clearly see how he edited them to fit his agenda. Don't let him throw you off with his lies.
MazJax 4 months ago
1:39 - am I the only one who sees the face of a ghost in the top middle :P?
grineflip 5 months ago
That was a nuclear demolition.
The source: nucleardemolition.+com/GZero_Report.pdf
The chemical analysis of dust fallout samples from the WTC: concentration of Strontium and Barium exeded the maximum level at least 300 times at epicenter(0.37%Ba,0.31%Str. by weight),the other places -40 times.The samples was taken from 35 locations on 0.5-1km radius.Quote: These are not trace amounts.They are highly dangerous and toxic amounts.Str.and Bar.are the major elements resulting from uranium fission
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megamogx 5 months ago
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At least the 9/11 Truthers are not as crazy like the holocaust deniers. BTW some scientists and brilliant people believed the holocaust never happened. My favorite is the no planes crowd! Fantastic and award winning.
METALBUG999 5 months ago
So according to twoofers, a plane loaded with jet fuel smashing in the side of a steel building at 550 mph causing infernos lasting for hours weakening most of the steel bars supporting the tower CAN'T destroy a building. That makes absolute total sense.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
"causing infernos lasting for hours"
The South Tower lasted 56 minutes. Not hours Einstein. And fire has NEVER brought down a steel frmed high rise beofre or after 911. Do you know what the word probability means? Do some research other than 911 myths.
"Don't make me do the dirty work. 6.5 million scientists worldwide"
Yes, what a crazy idea? Me asking you to back up anything you say?
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 56 minutes is pretty much an hour. WTC1 certainly burned for an hour and a half or so. Still enough to bring the steel down past 50% of their strength.
The steel sections of the Windsor tower collapsed by fire in 2005. Many burning buildings survived because there was firefighting work done. No firefighting was done in the WTC. The massive holes in the building fed too much oxygen to the fires.
When else has a huge steel building been hit by speeding jets before or after 911?
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
"56 minutes..Still enough to bring the steel down past 50% of their strength"
Do you mean enough time except for every other known steel frame high rise even lasting 18 hours (One Meridian Plaza Fire)? And the fires in the Towers affected 4-8 floors out of 110 floors. Massive holes? Some of the examples of other high rise fires engulfed the entire building like the Windsor Tower that you brought up. The Windsor fire lasted almost 24 hrs and the building did not TOTALLY collapse.
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 "Me asking to back up anything you say?"
Proof you guys are stubborn and won't research. Anyway, I already gave you a source for my evidence, I can't write websites on here but AAAS has the answer to how many scientists there are in the world. Almost 6 million and a half. And from there you can subtract the 1600 twoofer scientists and you still have millions that didn't sign up for Twoofclub.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
Post just one website where specific names are given of experts that support the OV. Just to keep it fair, here's a couple of sites with experts that don't.
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Firefighters for 9/11 Truth
Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth
Pilots For 9/11 Truth
Scientists for 9/11 Truth
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
All i have to say to say to this is...Just before the building fell...There was a huge explosion in the basement....And the top fell first...Dam
lukealandrummond 5 months ago
What the truther would say: the Empire State Building was owned by Jews so they didn't wire it with explosives in anticipation of the crash, and Truman had a (D) next to his name. Only presidents with an (R) next to their name blow up their own country. LOL
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
You first thought that truthers believed that the FDNY wired the WTCs with explosives. So, I really don't think you are the spokesperson truthers are looking for, ok?
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
Zzzzzzzzz. Plane hit building > Plane go "boom"! > Building weaken > Building fall. End of conspiracy. Watch "History Channel 9/11 Myths" and stay in school.
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
"Plane hit building > Plane go "boom"! > Building weaken > Building fall."
Did you mean except for every know plane VS. building impact? Plane hit building here in clip below, go boom. no building fall down. Why? Cause plane made of flimsy aluminum.
watch?v=9ZKf0s4aqkU
B-25 bomber hit Empire State Building, tall building still there. reserach could with
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Response to bladejones
Yeah, a tiny B-25 bomber smashing into a concrete building with low fuel at low speeds with fires that burned out after 10 to 20 minutes is exactly the same as a jet liner with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel hitting a steel building at 550 mph with ensuing infernos for an hour.
Way to make an exact, fully explained comparison! A round of applause for you!
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
Debunker: The collapse of the BOTH Towers can be explained by the two massive planes crashing into them at 550 mph.
Logic: But, there was no plane impact on WTC7 and it collapsed in the same manner in secs.
Debunker: Um, that's different. It was debris from the North Tower that caused the collapse of WTC7.
Logic: But WTC6 was in between the North Tower and WTC7, was damaged more than WTC7 and never collapsed?
Debunker: I hate you meddling twoofers and your damn logic!!
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001
Twoofer: No plane hit WTC7 and it fell exactly in the same manner.
Science: But a massive 100 tonne segment of steel hit WTC7, destroying 1/4 of the building! And the mechanical penthouse broke most of the vertical core supports! That took 10 seconds, and the rest took 7 seconds! That's 17 seconds!
Twoofer: But weren't the other buildings hit by steel?
Science: They were built very differently from WTC7 and were not hit in such a critical spot!
Cont.
MazJax 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001
Science: They were built extremely different to WTC 7 and were hit differently. Even so, nearly half of each building collapsed and almost all of WTC3!
Twoofer: But the NIST report said fires destroyed WTC7!
Science: Fires certainly helped. They massive fires weakened the steel easily. Being taller, WTC7 had more access to air, keeping the fires burning. The short WTCs didn't have this access, so the fires were smaller.
Twoofer: But-But-
Science: Stay in school, kids.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
LOGIC: If you use the differences between the other steel frame high rises as a reason why they did not collapse, please explain why the Towers and WTC7 DID collapse with their known differences:
Height, structure, design
Plane impact vs none
Jet fuel vs none
Upper damage vs. Lower
And what did the Towers and WTC7 have in commonm to have caused the extreme temps buried underneath them? Any ideas?
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@MazJax
Twoof Tinfoil Hatter: You guys are so stupid believing the government. You guys and Les Robertson are all dumb idiots for believing NIST.
Actual person: I believe the scientists that agree with me. Common sense also defeats your theories. Controlled demolitions don't cause massive infernos and buckle vertical supports. They blow them away. They also create very audible explosions.
Twoofer: Oh no I got rebutted, might as well change the subject now because im so smart
Me: (laughing)
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
Ok, since "scientists agree with you," let's make this very simple. How about posting just 10 engineers not directly involved with the 911 investigation that show their support for the official version? Just 10?
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
'Hell have some more"
I guess you didn't read my post carefully..."that show their support for the official version?" How about a website like the ones I posted where they give their concurrence? Try again...
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@MazJax
"Controlled demolitions don't cause massive infernos"
NIST did record any extreme temps in the steel and people were seen walking at the impact hole=No Inferno
"They also create very audible explosions"
Audio of Tower explosions: watch?v=HBaqG4xtyl0
Audio of WTC7 explosions: watch?v=t7LBq6jr1Yk
Don't you just love real evidence instead of blind faith in the imaginary 10 million scientists in your dreams?
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001
Correction to me: NIST did NOT record any extreme temps in the steel
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 You're right. NIST didn't record the temperature of the steel. NASA did. You can see the pictures of the heat.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
"NIST didn't record the temperature of the steel. NASA did."
"Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 ºC (480ºF). Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC (1110ºF)." (p 140)-NIST
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@MazJax
WTF LOGIC: I believe the scientists that agree with me.
REALITY: But, you haven't produced even one scientist that agrees with you?
WTF LOGIC: If there are 10 million scientists in the world and only 1600 signed a petition, that means 10 million agree
REALITY: Uhh, what?
WTF LOGIC: Stupid twoofer. If a million people watch baseball a year, and none of them sign a petition stating they don't like hot dogs, that means a million of them like mustard.
REALITY: Please exhale now
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001
Twoof: If i get rebutted, I'm going to keep switching topics! Especially ask for imaginary lists that don't exist and when I could easily find the names on different webpages! I'm going to keep pretending they're on one list! That'll sure show them debunkers that my pseudo-scientific theories are right! I'm so smart!
Real Reality: Every scientist (6.5 million of them) was (and still are) offered the chance to sign and they didn't. Why not? Why did only 1600 sign?
Twoof: uh..
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
911 SHILL: Ok, I will rationalize every one of the common characteristics of CD as a normal occurence for a building collapse?
LOGIC: Can you post examples of these in ANY another building collapse
911 SHILL: Uhh, no. But, I will continue to rationalize every one. Who needs evidence or other references? My word will do just fine..
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@MazJax Hey MJ, here's your opportunity to start a petition of scientists who OPPOSE the truth movement. It should be easy for you -- out of 6.5 million you'll only need a couple of thousand to put us Truthers to shame!! Get going now, if you really want to put strength behind your bold words. Good luck on your mission, should you accept it.
millvalleyrn 4 months ago
@millvalleyrn
One question:
Sign a petition? Why? What will they gain from winning over the truth movement? Do they have something to prove? Not really...
Do you see any scientists at ground zero screaming "911 was not an inside job!" at the top of their lungs? No, because they could care less about the truth movement.
MazJax 4 months ago
@MazJax
I thought what you are really trying to say you can't find a number of scientists with their specific names given that wll sign any petition opposing the truth movement, correct?
muzicmaker2001 3 weeks ago
@muzicmaker2001
Why should any scientist sign a petition opposing the truth movement, dim-wit?
What's next? Geologists signing petitions against the young earth creationists and their dismissal of radiocarbon dating? Come to think of it, we have to organise a movement against the Flat Earth society, too! We have to refute their evidence!
Jesus, are you THAT stupid? I can't decide whether I should laugh at you or just facepalm.
NotableJInx2 3 weeks ago 3
@NotableJInx2
So, what you are saying is you have no support from experts outside of the official investigation? How can that be? This is so obviously an act of terrorism from 19 cave dwellers with the intelligence to outsmart the entire US military..seems logical to me.
muzicmaker2001 3 weeks ago
@NotableJInx2 or JamesCorbett911
did you forget which sock puppet account you are using? Funny...and desperate
muzicmaker2001 3 weeks ago
@millvalleyrn
And if he did, the truthers would turn around and claim they're all liars on the government payroll.
mst3k4evur 1 month ago
@millvalleyrn
A petition opposing the claims of the truth movement?
Lol, sure. After we're done with the anti-Flat Earth Society petition and geologists against Young Earth creationism. You're deluded to think that any scientist in the world would take 9/11 truth seriosuly. Seriously.
NotableJInx2 4 weeks ago
@MazJax
Debunker: WTC7 had more access to air, keeping the fires burning
LOGIC: But, a steel framed high rise has NEVER collapsed due to fire before or after
Debunker: NEVER is not really a long time if you think about it, right?
LOGIC: So, three high rises all collapsing all on the same day is not weird to you?
Debunker: Even though they were all steel framed high rises, I will point out every minute difference between them..like different handles on the tiolets. get it dumb twoofer!!!
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
Debunker: The other high rises were smaller and were designed and built differently from WTC
LOGIC: But WTC7 was smaller, designed differently, damaged differently from the Towers so why did it also collapse?
Debunker: Uhh, it was? I reckon is that some of that der reverse logic you twoofers use?
LOGIC: Yes and why were extreme temps found underneath ALL buildings?
Debunker: Uhh, aluminum from the plane? That's it!! No, no plane impact on WTC7. Jet fuel? No plane again. Drats!!
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@MazJax
911 SHILL: How is this proof of a conspiracy?
LOGIC: Many of the characteristics of a controlled demolition were present such as near free fall, explosions, demolition flashes and pre-collapse ground shaking. Are these normal for a building collapse?
911 SHILL: Well that's just some crazy twoofer talk
LOGIC: And we have direct video/audio evidence and witness accounts backing them
911 SHILL: Does video evidence and backing witness acocunts mean alot? Yes? Drats!!
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001
Twoof: Imma switch mah topic now as usual.
Debunkers: Running away, eh?
Twoof: STFU U F$%^# ASS OR IMMA SWITCH AGAIN
MazJax 5 months ago
WTC7 had 3 massive diesel generators. That is the sound of a generator exploding. One bomb ( the supposed explosion) couldn't bring down a skyscraper. You can also hear WTC7 collapsing even before the explosion, so it was not a bomb.
As for the video of the towers: The guy was standing over an active subway rail. The sound would have had to be heard at the base, but no. It was the sound of the passing subway.
watch?v=jir7yWTroN8
Please watch from 1:32 until 2:24 of that video.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
Ok, rationalize everyone of these? Keep in mind that some of these accounts of explosions were in the basement levels about 1000 ft below the impacted area. Good luck.
Witness of explosions:
watch?v=n593Hth8h9M
watch?v=F7B_9TXCPX4
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 What do you think a elevator plummeting 80 floors to the basement sounds like when it hits?
Ham549 5 months ago
@Ham549
Are these elevators also?
"before No. 2 came down, I saw low-level flashes I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down ... You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw."- NYFD Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory
"It almost sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight"- NYFD Firefighter Thomas Turilli
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@Ham549
More elevators?
"There was just an explosion in the south tower. It seemed like on television when they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."- NYFD Firefighter Richard Banaciski
"It was like a professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."
- NYC Paramedic Daniel Rivera
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
I've heard all points of view, from people trying to debunk the obvious, to all of the rebuttals to the debunkers. In the end it's still still as plain as day: Hijacked planes caused the tower collapses. If someone with "credentials" questions whether the earth is round do you believe them? Because really we're questioning two things that are equally obvious.
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
I think most intelligent people choose to listen to a structural engineer. pilot, scientists rather than some random guy on YT that travels to multiple pages related to 911 defending it. That's you...Can you say agenda?
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Watch the History Channel's show about 911 myths (also on YT) that debunks all of your superstitions with expert rebuttals if you need an expert to think for you. Oh wait... I know. You're gonna say that the History Channel is owned by the Jews!!!! What is YOUR agenda?
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
We do agree on one thing. Its really nothing moe than common sense. Are these events normal or expected from a pancake building collapse due to a plane impact?
1. Near free fall collapse
2. Witness accounts of explosions
3. Pulverized concrete at initiation of collapse
4. Pre-collapse ground shaking
5. Demolition flashes
6. No physical evidence of extreme heat at impact hole but..
7. Extreme temps buried in basement/rubble for weeks
8. Nano-thermite discovered
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@BladeJones
My agenda is to spread the truth and expose the evidence that many people have not seen. After all, this stuff won't be on FOX news anytime soon, right?
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@BladeJones WAY TO CONTRADICT YOURSELF. I'LL JUST LET YOU FIGURE THAT OUT READING YOUR COMMENT YOURSELF. YOU PRETTY MUCH CANCELED YOUR OWN STATEMENT. THAT IS IF YOU LIKE WHEN OTHERS THINK FOR YOU.
YouBeMadlol 5 months ago
Nobody with common sense or who isn't a Muslim or from France believes that NYFD rigged the trade center buildings with explosives. We all know that 5 planes were hijacked and never reached their destinations because they crashed as reported. Painfully simple cause and effect. Is the earth round or is it flat? How do you know? Have you ever been into space or do you merely assume that it's round because of what NASA has told you? This is the same moronic logic that "truthers" adopt.
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
Do you mean nobody with common sense except for these people. I can't figure out if they are Muslim or from France? But, yes. The Earth is still round.
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muzicmaker2001 5 months ago 2
@BladeJones
'believes that NYFD rigged the trade center buildings with explosives"
Easy now. The NYFD rigged the WTC with explosives? Who has said that? I can't figure if you've been drinking or if you're serious.
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 This is YOUR theory -- not mine. Who is the demolition crew who rigged the building without being seen tearing out drywall? You tell me. This is entertaining.
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
Uhh, I love ignorance. When was it said that the FDNY rigged the buildng with explosives? I don't think anyone believes that. It is funny though. How could anyone who wasn't directly involved know who rigged the building? Yes, ignorance and desperation to defend a lie is very entertaining...and I guess the 1500 engineers that dispute the OV are all nutjobs? Can you post your credentials to evaluate this? I love the YT engineers.
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Whoever posted this video laughably believes that SOMEBODY rigged the buildings with explosives when anyone with analytical skills can see that the hijacked planes caused it. It really doesn't matter what someone's credentials are. You don't need to be an engineer. If you can think for yourself you don't need someone else to explain it. A soccer mom can figure this out. Hijacked planes caused the collapse.
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
Uhh, SOMEONE doesn't always mean the FDNY Einstein. And it doesn't matter what someone's credntials? Really? More brilliance. Why do we need experts anyway? Can you find another job? Defending 911 is just not your thing.
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@BladeJones BFD. Can you analyze facts by yourself? I've met plenty of retards with degrees. Common sense and irrefutable facts trump a few nut job's opinions.
BladeJones 5 months ago
LOL. And why didn't the explosive charges get detonated when the plane hit the towers? For 1 hour and 41 minutes those explosive charges survived the 800 + degree heat. LOL. This video is laughable. Only an idiot believes this video.
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
800+ degree heat? Where? The impacts were planned...
"Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 ºC (480ºF). Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC (1110ºF)." (p 140)-NIST
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Oh. OK. You're so right. Jet fuel burns at about 90 degrees Fahrenheit. Jet fuel only causes mild skin irritation so it CERTAINLY wouldn't ignite demolition charges. How about OJ? Did he kill his X or was that George Bush's ploy to divert attention way from politics?
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
Enter logic: If this heat was hot enough to weaken massive steel to total failure and ignite demo charges, why didn't it harm the people seen at the impact hole? Were these people wearing asbestos suits or something? Or maybe they just stepped over these 800+ temps? It only takes a brain...
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 This from a certified YouTube expert. You're right. Jet fuel burns at about 90 degrees. It was mildly hot up there on that ole' 87th floor. Maybe even a little bit "chilly". I'm surprised that jet fuel is able to even lift a plane off the ground being that it burns so cold. Mohammed Atta must be an innocent man too. Wrongly fingered by the Zionist US media right?
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
Which one of us is the certified youtube expert? The one spewing 800+ degree heat with no evidence of this at all?
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 I just poured jet fuel on my hand and set it on fire. Your chemistry and physics calculations are 100% correct. The fire was only mildly irritating. Wasn't hot at all and my hand looks perfectly normal. Fire is over-rated. Not anything like the Bush Zionists say. My oven broiler get up to 500 degrees. Much hotter than wimpy jet fuel.
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
Well, hold onto something. I just walked over 800+ degree temps for 102 minutes and my sneaks are not even sinched. But, massive steel was weakening around me by 50%...
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 The "jumpers" jumped because they were told there were FREE Reese's Peanut Butter Cups below -- not because any building was on fire due to a plane crash.
BladeJones 5 months ago
@BladeJones
The people were seen at the North Tower impact hole approx 20 mins before it collapsed. From impact to collapse, there was 102 mins. This means 80 full minutes went by for the 800+ degree temps to heat the steel beneath them, right? But, they walked to the impact hole. So, when you stated 800 degree temps, did you mean another way of measuring heat? Like Kelvin for instance? Or maybe your own made up temp conversion like if it can melt butter=800+ dgrees?
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
Retards. I couldn't be bothered to listen after the "angled cut columns" nonsense. THEY CUT IT LIKE THAT ON PURPOSE SO IT WOULDNT FALL ON WORKERS.
DorianGrayism 6 months ago
@DorianGrayism
And the proof of this where?
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Responding to doriangrayism:
Look at the videos and pictures of the clean-up workers cutting the remaining columns after the collapses. They cut them at an angle.
watch?v=DdBv7uaQT_0
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
My bad. I must've missed it. The video does not show a worker cutting precise 45 degree angle cuts into any columns?
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001
ERmmmm....how about DEBUNKING 9/11.COM. The site that everyone goes to.
or you could just find videos of them cutting angled columns on youtube.
DorianGrayism 6 months ago
@DorianGrayism
How about just posting the direct evidence showing workers making those cuts to back up your statement?
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DorianGrayism 6 months ago
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I just gave you the website. I am not sure what is so hard.
Anyway, if you want the youtube video type in WTC Angle Cut Columns during cleanup. Go to the 1.30 minute mark.
They are mid way through cutting the very columns that retarded truthers say are due to thermite
DorianGrayism 6 months ago
How can you prove 10 million people agree? Because the ae911 truth was open to every scientist in the world. But only 1600 agreed to sign. Why didn't anybody else sign? Are they all idiots? Do you know much better than them?
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
Once more, just 50 engineers with names given that support the OV? That's 50 out of your supposed 10 million (snicker)?
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 I love how you guys use these obscure arguments that you think will somehow prove you right. Do you think there are only 1600 scientists worldwide, and that they all agree with the conspiracy theories?
According to AAAS there were 5.8 million scientists worldwide, in 2006. Today, the number has jumped to 6.6 million.
Alright, so there aren't 10 million. But that number still crushes that wimpy number of 1600 twoofer scientists.
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
Ya know what would've saved us alot of here? If you just stated, "I have absolutely no proof of specific names of engineers/experts that support the OV. And this is just my blind assumption" from the start. But, it was a pleasure.
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 You should realize that nobody will waste their time making a list of names of such a huge majority of people, especially without a demand. You know why there is a list of twoofer scientists? Because they are such a small minority that their numbers are basically nonexistant compared to the rest of the world's scientists, therefore making them easy to list. And because the twoofers have such low egos that they need a list of people as if to say it somehow proves them right?
MazJax 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 You should realize that nobody will waste their time making a list of names of such a huge majority of people, especially without a demand. You know why there is a list of twoofer scientists? Because they are such a small minority that their numbers are basically nonexistant compared to the rest of the world's scientists, therefore making them easy to list. And because the twoofers have such low egos that they need a list of people as if to say it somehow proves them right
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
Again, why bother stating that 10 million scientists support something when you have no proof of it? And, so you know, the process of elimination is not proof.
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@MazJax AND I COULD ASK WHY WASNT WTC BUILDING SEVEN IN THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT AT ALL AS IF IT WAS A STREET LIGHT THAT FELL THAT DAY? WHY DID THEY BARELY GIVE IT MEDIA ATTENTION? WHY DOES LIKE ONLY HALF OF AMERICA KNOWS ABOUT THE BUILDING 7 THAT FELL? BECAUSE THE HIGHER UPS DONT LIKE WHEN THEY GET QUESTIONED. ONLY 1500 ARCHITECTS ARE STANDING AGAINST THIS BECAUSE ONLY 1500 OF THEM ARE AWARE. GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE THE CLOUDS. EVEN LARRY SILVERSTEIN SAID HE PULLED THAT BUILDING.
YouBeMadlol 6 months ago 9
@YouBeMadlol WTC3,4,5,6, the ST. Nicholas Church, The Fiterman hall, and the Deutsche Bank Building weren't in the Commission either. These buildings were destroyed beyond the point of repair, or collapsed. The Comission wasn't an engineering report, it was about how the US managed to get attacked in such a way.
So the millions of other scientists (like the WTC designer L. Robertson) who are against the theories are all unaware of the situatiuon. They're all brain-dead retards aren't they? Ha
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
"So the millions of other scientists"
Still hangin' onto the million of scientists with absolutely no proof, huh? But, wasn't it 10 million before? Did you lose some to the CT? LOL
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 There is proof, search it up. Don't make me do the dirty work. 6.5 million scientists worldwide. I was only 3 million off. You guys do so much worse. I've seen tons of twoofers saying most of the world's scientists agree with alex jones and the other twoof gang leaders. But you guys have ONLY EVER HAD 1600 SUPPORTING YOU! LOL!
MazJax 5 months ago
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 The one near the CCTV building is more modernized in structure, more so than WTC7, had no burning office equipment, had no collapsing penthouse (which triggered WTC7 collapse) and was not hit by falling debris. Had WTC7 not been hit by debris, destroying 1/4 of the building, it would have remained standing.
You can't compare those shorter buildings to heavier, taller building hit by planes and debris.
MazJax 5 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 First interstate bank fire: Quite close to collapse, but the building was not damaged by debris, remember. The fire was less intense as the location had less access to oxygen.
New York Plaza: Built differently, not a tube design like WTC
Caracas Tower: Concrete building, not steel
Meridian Plaza: Smaller fire, although still damaged.
The WTC had massive fires, debris/plane damage, was built entirely of steel and had a different structure to any of the aforementioned buildings.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
Quite close to collapse-What does that mean? Did it collapse in 56 minutes? No? 102 mins? Nope
New York Plaza, Caracas Tower, Meridian Plaza-ALL steel framed high rises
The WTC had massive fires-Granted, the fires did not affect the entire impact hole, but for the sake of arguement:
The South Tower impact hole was between floors 78th - 84th or about 5% of the entire bulding.
The North Tower impact hole was between floors 94th - 98th or about 4 % of the entire bulding
muzicmaker2001 5 months ago
Respond to this video...
First interstate bank: Severely damaged, smaller fires, fires had less access to oxygen as the location was not as high as the WTC fires.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax EXACTLY! IN ATTACKED SUCH A WAY IT SHOULD REPORT THE DAMAGES WHICH THE TERRORISTS HAVE CAUSED, AND THE THREAT B7 BROUGHT TO MANY LIVES.
YouBeMadlol 5 months ago
@YouBeMadlol Judging by the caps lock, and the username, i'd say you're a mere troll. I hope you like pretending all the scientists that disagree with you are retards while you troll on the internet thinking you're a damn genius.
Nobody died in the WTC7 and it wasn't even a target of the terrorists.
MazJax 5 months ago
@YouBeMadlol Where exactly does Silverstein say "I decided to pull WTC7 down"..? He says THEY ( The fdny) decided to pull it (the firefighting operation).
Besides, "Pull" in terms of demolition means to bring a building down using cables...Was WTC7 brought down using cables?
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax TO PULL A BUILDING IS A TERM MEANING TO BRING A BUILDING DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, TELL ME SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHY THIS UNEVENLY DAMAGED HIGH-RISE COLLAPSED AS IF IT WAS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION? NO. BECAUSE YOU'RE IN DENIAL AND YOU'RE SCARED OF A REVOLUTON.
YouBeMadlol 5 months ago
@YouBeMadlol Hehe, nice job troll get a life
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax STFU YOU STUCK UP KEEPING YOUR AMERICAN PRIDE TOOL. STOP ACTING AS IF OUR GOVERNMENT ISN'T THE ROOT CAUSE OF TERRORISM.
YouBeMadlol 5 months ago
@YouBeMadlol Did you know that using caps is synonymous to yelling and yelling is rude? Or were you unaware of that?
movieklump 5 months ago
@movieklump WHAT DOES CAPS HAVE TO DO WITH WTC7? DO I CARE? AND WHAT HAPPENS IF I WAS RUDE USING CAPS? WHAT WILL HAPPEN? NOTHING? OKAY. LET'S BE RELEVANT AND NOT TALK ABOUT CAPS. THIS IS A VIDEO ABOUT WTC 7 AFTER ALL AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW BASIC ENGLISH AND CAN COMPREHEND ALL CAPS. IF NOT I GUESS THAT'S A PERSONAL PROBLEM. ANYWAYS, WHY DO YOU DEFEND YOUR GOVERNMENT AS IF THEY NEVER DID FALSE FLAGS AGAINST US BEFORE? IT AMAZES ME HOW DEPENDENT PEOPLE ARE THEY DEFEND THEIR GOVERNMENT NO MATTER WHAT
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HISTORY LESSON:
Operation Northwoods - Pentagon planned false flag attack - kill us citizens in US (highjack + bombs) -> blame cuba - war against cuba. Kennedy against it - Kennedy killed.
Iraq - 2nd largest oil occurrence of the world (had power against USA by stopping oil exports to usa)
Afghanistan - USA needed oil pipeline to be independent from Russia + Iran pipelines, but Afghanistan didn`t cooperate...
USA world domination tour. Silverstein got 5 billion, Bush golden oil card
SuperYesyesyo 6 months ago
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- pilot from US air force + lieutennant from nato air force (germany) said -> boeing can always be detected - no matter if they turn the transmitter off or not
- interceptiors from pentagon didn`t even start (very unusual)
- 2001 in 67 air emergencys every single plane was found - except 4 boeings on 911
- pentagon chief said in an interview: the missile..ah..plane hit the pentagon
- all live TV and amateur videos edited (no handy vids found)
SuperYesyesyo 6 months ago
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if you would do some research you will find THAT:
air force + boeing + NATO pilots, plane engineers, air controller, firemen, analytical chemists, physicists, blaster..etc. => from all over the world (US, Italy, France, Germany, England, Denmark, Japan...)
say - never ever could a boeing melt into this steel building, exploding ALL inside + 3 skyscrapers collapse: look on google/pictures -> WTC STRUCTURE
a jassm missile plane can, so i don`t believe your official blablabla.
SuperYesyesyo 6 months ago
Not to mention that huge, distinct, unbelievably loud series of explosions shortly after collapse that SOMEHOW everybody in New York and every camera videotaping the collapse that day failed to hear! Compare a video of an actual controlled demolition and the WTC collapse, and you'll see! They look and sound EXACTLY the same!
Those 10 million architects and structural engineers that disagree with the truther theories sure are dumb, huh guys? We tinfoil hatters know so much better than they do!
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
"Those 10 million architects and structural engineers that disagree with the truther theories"
I love these made up numbers. 10 million, huh? Keep trying...LOL
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 There are an estimated 10 million structural engineers worldwide. You can't argue this. They were all offered to sign the "re-investigate 911" petition but only 1600 signed it.
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
Unless you have taken a poll of those "estimated 10 million structural engineers worldwide" and know that they ALL agree with the official version, you have no idea of what position is. This is just your blind assumption...
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 There WAS a poll taken. Every engineer was given the chance to sign the reinvestigation petition. But only 1600 did.
It's easy to say that if they didn't sign the petition, they don't agree with the theories.
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
I'd love to see the evidence of this poll given to 10 million engineers and the evidence of 10 million structural engineers please. How about in your next post?
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 It's really not that difficult.
There isn't any written "poll" but it can be figured out with easy logic. If you can't use your brain, it's not my fault.
Imagine 10 million people were given a chance to sign a petition. Only 1600 signed it. Don't you think the ones that didn't sign it disagree with what the petition has to offer? Otherwise, they would have signed it.
I don't think I can make this any simpler for you to understand.
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
Yeah, I figured. It sounds nothing more than a assumption without any evidence at all.
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 You don't need a signed document to use logic.
Imagine I have 5 apples and 2 are taken away. Do I need a signed document to prove there are 3 apples left? I don't think so. Same principle.
MazJax 6 months ago
I'll happily explain it again if your mind can't comprehend simple math and logic. :)
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
I got it the first time. Just BS. Thanx anyway...
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@MazJax
Good points. The petition should have also allowed the signers to express what issues they wanted re-investigated and why. Some or most of the signers may have only had questions about small portions of the NIST report, and it is being portrayed that they disagree with official investigation results in total.
nevillechamberlain1 6 months ago
@MazJax
This is simple also. Just a website with SPECIFIC NAMES of experts given showing their support of the official version??
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001Tell me, how I'm supposed to find a website that doesn't exist? How do you put the names of 10 million people on a website? You can't put a list of names for those in support of the official story if their number is 99.99% out of the 10 and more million architects and scientists worldwide.
From the top of my head, I can list:
Les Robertson (Designer of WTC)
John Skilling
Irwin Cantor
Matthys Levy
W. Gene Corley
ae911"truth" only has 1600 members. That's an easy list.
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
Why is it very easy to find many websites where experts give their names against the OV, but nothing as far as a website for experts that support it? How just some of the supposed 10 million people? Nothing at all? Not one website?
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001
Because it's very easy to list such a small minority. Like I said, 1600 people is nothing.
You will never see a written list of historians that agree the holocaust happened. There is no written list of scientists that know the moon landing happened. This is because they are such a majority, and no list like that would be possible to make.
Why are you in such denial that there are 10 million scientists worldwide? And that only 1600 agree with the CT's?
MazJax 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Can you find me a website that shows the specific names of the firefighters and WTC survivors that think it was a controlled demolition?
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
patriotsquestion911*com/survivors*html
firefightersfor911truth*org/
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Please, can you show me a website with a list of 10 million or more experts that agree with any conspiracy theory?
MazJax 6 months ago
@MazJax
Uhh, you are the one that stated 10 million scientists agree with the OV, not the other way around. And logically, how can anyone prove that 10 million agree with the conspiracy or OV without direct evidence? That's your fantasy, not mine. Ok. Let's start small. How about a website where just 50 engineer's names are given that agree with the OV? You asked for survivors and firefighters and you got it. But, you have produced exactly SQUAT so far.
muzicmaker2001 6 months ago
Yeah, that totally looked and sounded just like the WTC collapse! I mean, look at the photos! You just can't count the amount of massive holes in the drywall filled with explosives and thermite! Just look at all that det cord strewn about the floors!! Those 40,000 employees in the towers must have all been blind to not have seen or reported them! It amazes me how the clean up crew managed to remove every tiny fragment left of the explosives in less than a second after collapse so that noone saw!
MazJax 6 months ago
@ muzicmaker2001 I totally agree with you, 911 was an inside job, no doubt about it.
DesmoRob 6 months ago
I love internet engineers with their fifteen minute google degrees.
splendid1000 7 months ago 2
@splendid1000 "I love internet engineers with their fifteen minute google degrees."
Speaking of internet engineers, I saw some of your previous posts where you declare that buildings like the WTC had a 2000% safety factor. Do you have any references for that statement?
A 2000% safety factor in all stess conditions means a 20 to 1 design safety factor. If that is the case, then even morons like yourself could design buildings that NO ONE could afford to build.
nevillechamberlain1 7 months ago
@splendid1000
Just a heads up. nevillechamberlain travels to multiple YT pages related to 911 in a desperate attempt to defend this lie. You can't take anything he says/posts seriously.
muzicmaker2001 7 months ago
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@muzicmaker2001 "nevillechamberlain travels to multiple YT pages related to 911 in a desperate attempt to defend this lie. You can't take anything he says/posts seriously."
A predictable post from you, Muzak. If you twothers are found incompetent on the technical evidence, it is time change to the subject to motivation. Both Hitler and Stalin followed the same changing propaganda agenda.
IMO, pointing out you common agenda and theme with Hitler and Stalin, will unlikely cause you pause.
nevillechamberlain1 7 months ago
Those beams were cut afterward.
zacthebold 7 months ago
@zacthebold
And your proof of this is where?
muzicmaker2001 7 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Well for one thing there many are pictures of the steel workers cutting the beams at an angle just like that. There is also a vid on youtube of two of the demo crew at the site riding up an elevator explaining their work, and in it they point out some of the angle cut beams and say they cut them. Sorry can't remember the name of that vid, but maybe I can find it.
zacthebold 7 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 check this video out:WTC Steel Columns Cut at Angles During 9/11 Ground Zero Cleanup | 9/11 Myths
zacthebold 7 months ago
@zacthebold
The video doesn't anyone cutting those angle cuts in the columns
muzicmaker2001 7 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 but it shows that they mad cuts like that. AFTERWARDS
zacthebold 7 months ago
@zacthebold
Actually, no it doesn't. It shows two people talking about making cuts. Noone is actually shown making any cuts. How do we know that those two people are not actors?
muzicmaker2001 7 months ago
@muzicmaker2001 Actors!!! are kidding me! Anyway if you just look at some photos of the site immediately after you would see these steel columns NOT cut. These pieces were much taller at first.
zacthebold 7 months ago
@zacthebold
Show me ANY video or photo where workers are actually making precise 45 degree angle cuts in those columns (for whatever reason) or move on...
muzicmaker2001 7 months ago
JOURNAL OF THE MINERALS, METALS AND MATERIALS SOCIETY (53/12:8-11) state that even with its strength halved, the steel in the World Trade Center could still support two or three times the stresses imposed by a 650 degrees centigrade or 1250 degrees fahrenheit fire.
niceguy1629 7 months ago
As for the top to bottom collapses, I've seen two in person.They had to detonate top to bottom because they didnt have the proper foundation explosives and wanted to couple the energy from the collapse with the foundation explosives they did have detonating at the same time to ensure global collapse. I dont have video but that doesnt even matter.The fact is, a top to bottom collapse is completely feasible, especially when you have the proper equipment and a severely weakend foundation.
splendid1000 8 months ago