Nothing what this video is saying. The problem was that the gas pedal would go under the heavy rubber floor mats supplied by Toyota and would hold the pedal down. Nothing wrong with the pedal design and built. Just change your floor mat in your toyota and you are good to go. This pedal is very well build. Weather proof wiring and a very responsive spring that would even snap off Ice if it was freezed.
If the problem's what they're saying it is, couldn't you just stick your toe under the pedal and pull it back up? Or grab it with your hand, as a last resort? Just how stuck could the darn thing be? Throttles have mechanically stuck in the past but people rarely die from it. Toyota's recommendation for how to stop the car if it ever happens seems to me to be sheer nonsense, just as much as their explanation of the problem.
@Batmanshack Amen, the only pedals that stick are when people have 3 floor mats. It is common sense not to put that many mats. All this was is people faking it wanting money from toyota. Notice nobody talks about it anymore? Interesting.
Toyota needs to update their ECU software to give higher precedence to the brake pedal than the gas pedal. The software should operate in a way such that it compares the position of the gas pedal and the brake pedal, and their difference exceeds a position threshold, shut down the car to prevent damage.
I would be interested in knowing if all of the incident occurred on cars with Cruise control, which have an actuator that open and closes the throttle. That would likely point to an ECU problem.
The problem is that in 2010 most companys are trying to make parts as cheap as posible. Its all about how much money big companys can make. They are giving the customer a cheaper product while still charging the same price.
You guys above all most should know better, you must know in the back of your mind that the "fix" by Toyota is suspicious. As a automotive engineer I call BS, it's software and Toyota knows it but just has not figured it out yet.
i think that it has to do with the sensor.what i mean by that is that maybe the magnet is breaking in half and sticking onto the sensor because that could make it suddenly accelerate.
Wouldn't the "postion sensor" be termed a rhesostat?
And isn't it true that the floor mats have been the cause of at least some of the more famous events? The Rhonda Smith event was determined to be caused by her TWO floor mats she had shoved under the pedal. The Saylor event was declared floor mat too. Many others were likely human error.
WASHINGTON The president of Toyota's U.S. operations acknowledged to lawmakers on Tuesday that the company's recalls of millions of its cars may "not totally" solve the problem of sudden and dangerous acceleration.
But when asked broadly by Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., whether the two recalls Toyota put in place would "solve the problem," he replied: "Not totally."
I think time will tell, but Toyota has a software problem that is causing this. They already have a software glitch with the brakes that slows down reaction time, and the acceleration is probably caused by a similar problem. Maybe the OS freezes or the program gets stuck in a loop.
the only thing that trailer trash like yourself can beat on is children with your cocks you fuckin peadophile [America has the highest paedophile conviction rate in the world] OWNED BITCH
all cars should go back to cables or linkage as a safety measure i think theres more here than a bushing fix needed but imagine cost to toyota to replace 4 million pedal assemblies and throttle body assemblies biggg time lossess maybe break em
With a cable or linkage throttle, there's no way to disable or override the throttle when you hit the brakes, which all electronic throttle cars except Toyotas can do. If the throttle cable gets stuck, you're just screwed.
Now, if you had said we should switch to cable throttles AND manual transmissions, that'd be another story. ;)
I agree and drive-by-wire scares me somewhat. I have a Crossfire that adapts the response based on my driving. So if I drive like an old man, it reacts like an old man, and I don't like that. But I think Toyota has a bigger problem.
it's not the floor mats or sticky pedals. they have a software problem or radio interference in some cheap sensor wiring. problem is too big too fix. all toyota had to do was install a brake accelerator safety switch. Honda doesn't have it either. GM has it on all ecu dbw cars...go figure. toyota wanted to save a few yen. did you know toyota got a 200 billion yen bailout last year??? hmmm already broke!
The person who crashed in San Diego was a CHP officer and don't tell me he didn't know what to do! It seemed like the brakes was rendered unusable while it was accelerating. He probably put it in neutral but still no go. It's also questionable how Toyota got the shim solution rather quickly. Did they intentionally left this process in the beginning to cut cost? What does the shim actually do? No explanation on the purpose of the said shim. It's an electronic problem me thinks.
the best way to stop a runaway toyota its by not buying one in the first place . wow ! , now for you to drive a toyota you need surviving training . i guess that the word toyota and the word quality can't be used on the same sentence anymore . and thats the same for the lexus and scion too...
No offense mitmaks but I had a '66 Mustang that I bought used in '91. Within the first week I made a 90 degree right hand turn, with light throttle, when the pedal shot straight to the floor. The rear swung wide and I almost ran head on into a large old oak tree. I slapped her into neutral and barely stopped in time. The prior owner failed to tell me that engine mounts had rotted though. In the corner the engine lifted high enough off the mount to pull the linkage to max. Nothing is perfect.
No offense piwright42 but you're comparing 25 year old car!!!! Have you thought about it? Nobody will be restoring/collecting camry/corolla or any other toyota in 25 years from now. You're comparing a rotten engine mount to a faulty electronically controlled throttle, apples to berries. Next time compare something that is less than a decade old lol
How would the operating procedures differ between an old Mustang and a new Mustang? Old Mustang sticks? Neutral and brake. New Mustang sticks? Neutral and brake.
Yes, driver is doing same thing. However it's not Ford's fault that rust ate engine mount. Ford did not put faulty accelerator. Toyota however did put faulty pedals in their cars and they knew about it years ago. This is worst safety-related recall and it happens to be #1 (or so they say) best selling car etc etc.
not a pedal or floor mat problem, it was sub-standard wiring coupled with save a few yen and NOT installing a brake safety switch. Usually human error causes most accidents in this case it was negligent homicide. toyota has known for a decade that they have a ecu problem in their dbw. do your research. toyota is broke and can't fix this. 200 billion yen gov't bailout last year.
In the case of the San Diego off-duty cop that couldn't stop his Toyota, he tried that, and still the car wouldn't let him put it into neutral. Man oh man.
two springs and that's not the problem!!!not a pedal or floor mat problem, it was sub-standard wiring coupled with save a few yen and NOT installing a brake safety switch. Usually human error causes most accidents in this case it was negligent homicide. toyota has known for a decade that they have a ecu problem in their dbw. do your research. toyota is broke and can't fix this. 200 billion yen gov't bailout last year.
This is a electronic problems as well as mechanical. The whole THING has got to be re-done. The biggest problem of ALL with Toyota's design: When the gas pedal gets electronically or mechanically stuck, pressing the brake has no effect... I said NO effect. Tell me who the HELL would design something where the brake CAN'T override the gas pedal ???
HUGE HUGE HUGE design flaw under ANY circumstance !!! Fire the engineers & people responsible for this...NOW !!!
I understand what you're saying, but with Toyota's design apply the brake has zero effect, won't " even " slow it down, not even a bit. That's some sorry ass shit.
fire 'em they should all go to jail for negligent homicide. honda doesn't have the brake safety either but they use higher quality wiring in there dbw. GM uses brake safety in all dbw cars. not a pedal or floor mat problem, it was sub-standard wiring coupled with save a few yen and NOT installing a brake safety switch. toyota has known for a decade that they have a ecu problem in their dbw. do your research. toyota is broke and can't fix this. 200 billion yen gov't bailout last year.
this two bozos doesn't explaint anything. the one guy don't know shit and the other guy can't explaint what causes the pin to be stuck..no clues..it's like watching dumb and dumber..
Bad explanation for why you shouldn't pump the brakes. If the throttle is wide open, the brake booster will stop working after one or two pushes on the brake pedal. Power brakes need vacuum from the engine to work and there is basically no vacuum at wide open throttle. Brake boosters typically reserve enough vacuum for two presses on the brake pedal. That's why Toyota recommends standing on the brakes and not letting up. Once the vacuum's gone, no power brakes!
wrong! not the pins or bushing. how can they go bad in one year...bs. poor engineering NOT to have a brake safety and mgmnt wanted to save a few yen on cheap wiring and no safety backup. fuck 'em!!! send them all to jail for this massive decade long coverup!
poor wiring sending interference signal to the sensor. toyota is done within six months they're broke as it is. jap gov't 200 bilion yen bailout last year. toyota can't afford this.
@Tibbettsify I don't know dude. Toyota was renown for their reliability - being on top of the charts 5 years ago. I doubt they'll go down that easy - the last thing we need is another company to go down under / be bought up by other manufacturers to feed the monopoly.
your probably the worlds biggest idiot. the only wat the steering wheel can be locked is if the transmission is in the park position. think about it the steering wheel is only locked when the keys are not turned to any setting. kinda hard to do at60 mph. my advise to you.....dont drive!
Its funny it only happened in the litigation happy USA.
andgate2000 1 month ago
Funny that! Toyota didnt make the pedal but CTS is did!!
CTS is American owned and made !!
RAJSTA81 9 months ago
OLD IS BEST..
2 Metals of the same value will EAT each other...
johnobd 1 year ago
Nothing what this video is saying. The problem was that the gas pedal would go under the heavy rubber floor mats supplied by Toyota and would hold the pedal down. Nothing wrong with the pedal design and built. Just change your floor mat in your toyota and you are good to go. This pedal is very well build. Weather proof wiring and a very responsive spring that would even snap off Ice if it was freezed.
nofreedom4racists 1 year ago
Toyota Moving Forward (EVEN WHEN YOU DON"T WANT IT TO)
Kyle1996ish 1 year ago 7
@Kyle1996ish wow lol
atlantaboy1122 1 year ago
Eesh.
I wouldn't trade by throttle cable for anything.
sweedspeed18 1 year ago
my dodge dart has been having a sticky throttle problem ever since i rebuilt the 318... hmm wierd
itanimulli08 1 year ago
If the problem's what they're saying it is, couldn't you just stick your toe under the pedal and pull it back up? Or grab it with your hand, as a last resort? Just how stuck could the darn thing be? Throttles have mechanically stuck in the past but people rarely die from it. Toyota's recommendation for how to stop the car if it ever happens seems to me to be sheer nonsense, just as much as their explanation of the problem.
videoeer 1 year ago
No proof these pedals stick, show one sticking.... I believe this was all bs and idiot americans thinking it's sticking when it really isn't.
Batmanshack 1 year ago
@Batmanshack Amen, the only pedals that stick are when people have 3 floor mats. It is common sense not to put that many mats. All this was is people faking it wanting money from toyota. Notice nobody talks about it anymore? Interesting.
xFatalityyy 1 year ago
Wow! Rreilly Brennan the EIC of AOL Autos.
Unquestionable authority. NOT!
MeyerG4Indiana 1 year ago
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thomas997 1 year ago
Toyota needs to update their ECU software to give higher precedence to the brake pedal than the gas pedal. The software should operate in a way such that it compares the position of the gas pedal and the brake pedal, and their difference exceeds a position threshold, shut down the car to prevent damage.
I would be interested in knowing if all of the incident occurred on cars with Cruise control, which have an actuator that open and closes the throttle. That would likely point to an ECU problem.
thomas997 1 year ago
The problem is that in 2010 most companys are trying to make parts as cheap as posible. Its all about how much money big companys can make. They are giving the customer a cheaper product while still charging the same price.
workensmart 1 year ago
There would be a easier way -- just install a return spring in that section of the pedal and you have no more pedal stickness :D
Stainless steel springs anyone?
Sanosuke004 1 year ago
Give me a carb, a throttle cable, and a 4 speed manual and you can keep your computer controlled bullshit.
assphincter 1 year ago
NOT MACHANIC, it may be chip problem. It might be a bug or two in the software.
Why: possibilities, only 1 from 2 million , it cannot be machanic. It won't take a genius to know that.
If the pivot axle has a workmanship or material problem, it would have maybe 1 million occurance from the 2 million cars.
Period.
jiang1962 1 year ago
I haven't heard anyone talk about cruise control as a possible problem.
quietfamily 1 year ago
it is obviously something to do with that magnet sensor setup
cjellwood 1 year ago
@cjellwood it could be a software failture
XxReDragonxX 1 year ago
you never know, maybe their is an evil midget using the throttle in the engine and he falls asleep and pushes the the throttle. You never know.
ClassicSteinwayJonas 1 year ago
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vdubfurlebensdauer 1 year ago
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vdubfurlebensdauer 1 year ago
@ClassicSteinwayJonas damn evil midgets they did that to my last car i had to fire him. but he was a good cook
vdubfurlebensdauer 1 year ago
there are liars
yashiroda01 1 year ago
that guy looks bored
rtsoccerplayer 1 year ago
You guys above all most should know better, you must know in the back of your mind that the "fix" by Toyota is suspicious. As a automotive engineer I call BS, it's software and Toyota knows it but just has not figured it out yet.
gearhead455 1 year ago
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mikey12792 1 year ago
i think that it has to do with the sensor.what i mean by that is that maybe the magnet is breaking in half and sticking onto the sensor because that could make it suddenly accelerate.
vdubfurlebensdauer 1 year ago
BULLSHIT. Give me hard evidence of a sticking pedal. So many have complained, yet no videos, pictures, NOTHING.
WTFGUY956 1 year ago
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Wouldn't the "postion sensor" be termed a rhesostat?
And isn't it true that the floor mats have been the cause of at least some of the more famous events? The Rhonda Smith event was determined to be caused by her TWO floor mats she had shoved under the pedal. The Saylor event was declared floor mat too. Many others were likely human error.
kassandrasduplex 1 year ago
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kassandrasduplex 1 year ago
And I thought only Lesbians had sticky accelerators! Go Figure!!!
peymaania 1 year ago
If is not the electric but the mechanical system that fails.
jiang1962 1 year ago
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WASHINGTON The president of Toyota's U.S. operations acknowledged to lawmakers on Tuesday that the company's recalls of millions of its cars may "not totally" solve the problem of sudden and dangerous acceleration.
But when asked broadly by Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., whether the two recalls Toyota put in place would "solve the problem," he replied: "Not totally."
For the fanboys....
Headshot426 1 year ago
I think time will tell, but Toyota has a software problem that is causing this. They already have a software glitch with the brakes that slows down reaction time, and the acceleration is probably caused by a similar problem. Maybe the OS freezes or the program gets stuck in a loop.
klamathpro 1 year ago
why dont all the fat fucking disgusting obese lardass Americans just get out their cars and trucks and walk it to work etc - problem solved!
2006scottw 1 year ago
HEY SCOTT WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
Tibbettsify 1 year ago
why do u want to kinow where im from u creep?
2006scottw 1 year ago
so i can come over there...wherever that is and beat your ass. you stupid faggot.
Tibbettsify 1 year ago
where are you? I'm sure there is an American close by that will show you a beating.
Tibbettsify 1 year ago
the only thing that trailer trash like yourself can beat on is children with your cocks you fuckin peadophile [America has the highest paedophile conviction rate in the world] OWNED BITCH
2006scottw 1 year ago
TOYOTA REALLY SUCKS!
Goddamn7 1 year ago
@Goddamn7
your mom really sucks
gradius55 1 year ago
all cars should go back to cables or linkage as a safety measure i think theres more here than a bushing fix needed but imagine cost to toyota to replace 4 million pedal assemblies and throttle body assemblies biggg time lossess maybe break em
mike66002000 1 year ago
With a cable or linkage throttle, there's no way to disable or override the throttle when you hit the brakes, which all electronic throttle cars except Toyotas can do. If the throttle cable gets stuck, you're just screwed.
Now, if you had said we should switch to cable throttles AND manual transmissions, that'd be another story. ;)
d00df00d 1 year ago
I agree and drive-by-wire scares me somewhat. I have a Crossfire that adapts the response based on my driving. So if I drive like an old man, it reacts like an old man, and I don't like that. But I think Toyota has a bigger problem.
klamathpro 1 year ago
it's not the floor mats or sticky pedals. they have a software problem or radio interference in some cheap sensor wiring. problem is too big too fix. all toyota had to do was install a brake accelerator safety switch. Honda doesn't have it either. GM has it on all ecu dbw cars...go figure. toyota wanted to save a few yen. did you know toyota got a 200 billion yen bailout last year??? hmmm already broke!
Tibbettsify 1 year ago
The person who crashed in San Diego was a CHP officer and don't tell me he didn't know what to do! It seemed like the brakes was rendered unusable while it was accelerating. He probably put it in neutral but still no go. It's also questionable how Toyota got the shim solution rather quickly. Did they intentionally left this process in the beginning to cut cost? What does the shim actually do? No explanation on the purpose of the said shim. It's an electronic problem me thinks.
kanehi 1 year ago
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the best way to stop a runaway toyota its by not buying one in the first place . wow ! , now for you to drive a toyota you need surviving training . i guess that the word toyota and the word quality can't be used on the same sentence anymore . and thats the same for the lexus and scion too...
punmaxxrcfx 1 year ago
I have an American car build in late 60's
Original throttle still works, why? Cause they didn't put all the electric crap onto it, making it too complicated. Oh ya, its hybrid too.
It burns gas and rubber
mitmaks 1 year ago
No offense mitmaks but I had a '66 Mustang that I bought used in '91. Within the first week I made a 90 degree right hand turn, with light throttle, when the pedal shot straight to the floor. The rear swung wide and I almost ran head on into a large old oak tree. I slapped her into neutral and barely stopped in time. The prior owner failed to tell me that engine mounts had rotted though. In the corner the engine lifted high enough off the mount to pull the linkage to max. Nothing is perfect.
piwright42 1 year ago
No offense piwright42 but you're comparing 25 year old car!!!! Have you thought about it? Nobody will be restoring/collecting camry/corolla or any other toyota in 25 years from now. You're comparing a rotten engine mount to a faulty electronically controlled throttle, apples to berries. Next time compare something that is less than a decade old lol
mitmaks 1 year ago 2
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My experience was valid in context to your original statement. As you said, "I have an American car build in late 60's
Original throttle still works, why? Cause they didn't put all the electric crap onto it, making it too complicated. Oh ya, its hybrid too.
It burns gas and rubber " If you wanted me to keep away from apples and berries then you never should have gone there in the first place.
piwright42 1 year ago
@mitmaks How are the two scenarios not comparable? Just because the stuck pedals were caused by different things doesn't change the issue.
ElectroGhandi 1 year ago
They are not. Compare 2009 Camry and 2009 Mustang. You're an idiot or just playing one
mitmaks 1 year ago
How would the operating procedures differ between an old Mustang and a new Mustang? Old Mustang sticks? Neutral and brake. New Mustang sticks? Neutral and brake.
ElectroGhandi 1 year ago
It wasnt faulty brake pedal on mustang! it was rotted engine mount, dumb shit
mitmaks 1 year ago
You still aren't getting it. I'm not saying the causes are comparable, I'm saying that in both situations, the driver does the same thing.
ElectroGhandi 1 year ago
Yes, driver is doing same thing. However it's not Ford's fault that rust ate engine mount. Ford did not put faulty accelerator. Toyota however did put faulty pedals in their cars and they knew about it years ago. This is worst safety-related recall and it happens to be #1 (or so they say) best selling car etc etc.
mitmaks 1 year ago
not a pedal or floor mat problem, it was sub-standard wiring coupled with save a few yen and NOT installing a brake safety switch. Usually human error causes most accidents in this case it was negligent homicide. toyota has known for a decade that they have a ecu problem in their dbw. do your research. toyota is broke and can't fix this. 200 billion yen gov't bailout last year.
Tibbettsify 1 year ago
they should use real bearings for the main hinge.
PaladinHludwig 2 years ago
just toss it in neutral, thats all.
Xiber1 2 years ago
In the case of the San Diego off-duty cop that couldn't stop his Toyota, he tried that, and still the car wouldn't let him put it into neutral. Man oh man.
gblueslover2 2 years ago
I dont think he tried that, throttle problem has nothing to do with the transmission.
Xiber1 2 years ago
I think he did, listening to the 911 call regarding that...
gblueslover2 2 years ago
the San Diego off-duty cop put into what he thinks is neutral is not. I'd recommend he put it in Park. At least Park is standardized.
sadieblooming 2 years ago
I think the return spring is to weak.
austin21m 2 years ago
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two springs and that's not the problem!!!not a pedal or floor mat problem, it was sub-standard wiring coupled with save a few yen and NOT installing a brake safety switch. Usually human error causes most accidents in this case it was negligent homicide. toyota has known for a decade that they have a ecu problem in their dbw. do your research. toyota is broke and can't fix this. 200 billion yen gov't bailout last year.
Tibbettsify 1 year ago
This is a electronic problems as well as mechanical. The whole THING has got to be re-done. The biggest problem of ALL with Toyota's design: When the gas pedal gets electronically or mechanically stuck, pressing the brake has no effect... I said NO effect. Tell me who the HELL would design something where the brake CAN'T override the gas pedal ???
HUGE HUGE HUGE design flaw under ANY circumstance !!! Fire the engineers & people responsible for this...NOW !!!
gblueslover2 2 years ago
Drive any car, put the accelator to the floor and try hitting the brakes, if it will stop the car........it wont!
Xiber1 2 years ago
I understand what you're saying, but with Toyota's design apply the brake has zero effect, won't " even " slow it down, not even a bit. That's some sorry ass shit.
gblueslover2 2 years ago
vw has a system that once you hit the brakes it overides the gas pedal
bnuttsgee 2 years ago
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fire 'em they should all go to jail for negligent homicide. honda doesn't have the brake safety either but they use higher quality wiring in there dbw. GM uses brake safety in all dbw cars. not a pedal or floor mat problem, it was sub-standard wiring coupled with save a few yen and NOT installing a brake safety switch. toyota has known for a decade that they have a ecu problem in their dbw. do your research. toyota is broke and can't fix this. 200 billion yen gov't bailout last year.
Tibbettsify 1 year ago
yea, more like a electronic signal problem. NOT a PIN!
ZZ327 2 years ago
lolll toyota fail
aiG0oChamNa 2 years ago
I am not buying any more Toyota in the future...
edy043 2 years ago
this two bozos doesn't explaint anything. the one guy don't know shit and the other guy can't explaint what causes the pin to be stuck..no clues..it's like watching dumb and dumber..
jnguyen421 2 years ago
LOl ... what the fuck is this dumb and dumber ... these two fukwits have no idea what the fuck they are talking about .....
flipper2410 2 years ago
Bad explanation for why you shouldn't pump the brakes. If the throttle is wide open, the brake booster will stop working after one or two pushes on the brake pedal. Power brakes need vacuum from the engine to work and there is basically no vacuum at wide open throttle. Brake boosters typically reserve enough vacuum for two presses on the brake pedal. That's why Toyota recommends standing on the brakes and not letting up. Once the vacuum's gone, no power brakes!
parnellitube 2 years ago
Toyota is shipping hardened pins to dealerships. The problem is corrosion between the pin and the bushing, binding the pin.
butdoyou 2 years ago
Can you provide some more informationon on this pin? I have not seen any pins and I work at a Toyota dealership. Pins???
toyotatech2007 2 years ago
wrong! not the pins or bushing. how can they go bad in one year...bs. poor engineering NOT to have a brake safety and mgmnt wanted to save a few yen on cheap wiring and no safety backup. fuck 'em!!! send them all to jail for this massive decade long coverup!
Tibbettsify 1 year ago
Poor D-FMEA...
OpusRules 2 years ago
So what happens if this is a computer glitch in the car and not simply the gas pedal or floor mat?
gavincurtis 2 years ago
Then RIP Toyota.
Personal I do think its a computer glitch in the throttle system.
Allante715 2 years ago
poor wiring sending interference signal to the sensor. toyota is done within six months they're broke as it is. jap gov't 200 bilion yen bailout last year. toyota can't afford this.
Tibbettsify 1 year ago
@Tibbettsify I don't know dude. Toyota was renown for their reliability - being on top of the charts 5 years ago. I doubt they'll go down that easy - the last thing we need is another company to go down under / be bought up by other manufacturers to feed the monopoly.
The more competitors on the market, the better
chewbster 1 year ago
@ 5:43 lol wtf, turn the engine off??? you will lock your steering wheel if you turn your engine off when the car's still moving. bad advice.
hmwillow 2 years ago
your probably the worlds biggest idiot. the only wat the steering wheel can be locked is if the transmission is in the park position. think about it the steering wheel is only locked when the keys are not turned to any setting. kinda hard to do at60 mph. my advise to you.....dont drive!
blazerk5drew 2 years ago