@eternityandforever you say this but did they give specific dates ? Why did your founder say 1914,1915,1918 Jesus was coming back and then again in 1925 Abraham and the prophets were coming God says no man knows the hour nor the day. So why keep believing in the wt society ? Created by man not God
Typically, cult leaders hide from their rank and file of complete information on all of the mechanisms that exist in the cult and have been successfully used for the recruitment and retention of students in a group and the control of his consciousness. They also hide and the truth about the past lives of their leaders, as well as the teachings and doctrines that have changed for one reason or another.
@bosshoss14 - Maybe its because they break up families over stuff like saving your child's life with blood, or shunning over sending a birthday card, or supporting the troops, voting, smoking a cigar and a myriad of other non Biblical stuff. - They also have ever changing doctrine with their core teachings changing on an almost yearly basis.
@GungHo1032 you, do have a point that the bible says that but my question is why do you say that jw's are false prophets do you have an argument from the BIBLE because we have to base our knowledge from it not from humans like it says in psalms 118:8,9 "we have to refuge in god rather than human" in other words trust god not humans because god is perfect and he created us.
@bosshoss14 - Dang man open your eyes. The Dubs have committed one false prophecy after another. But here is a very obvious one for you....for almost a hundred years the masthead of the magazine Awake proclaimed that the generation of 1914 would BY NO MEANS pass away before the end came. - I hate to break it to you, but that generation is all DEAD. Heck 1914 was the WW ONE generation, and most of the WW Two generation is now gone. - Go to JWfactsDOTcom and learn more.
@theBIGOnick - Like most comments made by Dubs, yours lacks shall we say, precision. Exactly WHAT did I say that is not true? It has been days since I have made a J-Dub look like a fool, so pleas enlighten me so I can show you how wrong you are. - You know, Dubs really should wake up and smell the coffee, and get some of their "facts" from somewhere else besides their cult publications.
@fashionxxbeauty - As a "generation" they are now considered dead. Though there might be one of two still alive here and there. - Besides the Dubs first taught that that this generation meant those BORN in 1895. Tell me, is granny 116 years old?
@aralyn22 - "not all the 144000 were born before or on 1914. the picking started on 1914" - Is this another example of JW critical reasoning? - What you just stated has NOTHING to do with your cult's teaching for more than a hundred years, that "the GENERATION of 1914 will by NO MEANS pass away before the end."
@GungHo1032 QUIT referring people to false teachers. RELY on the bible for the facts! A generation can consist of others in that family that were born later=one son can live to be 100, and have an 80 year old brother still alive. That 80 year old brother is 'still' a part of that 'generation'. So, we are REALIZING that it really can happen this way. I am 45, have one son who is 27, and my youngest is 4. So they are apart of the 'same generation'. THINK about it, reason on it, it is so very true!
@eternityandforever - I do rely on the Bible. I have done this ever since I quit being a JW. - Fact is your cult first said those born in 1885 would be alive when the end came. Then 1890, 1900, then one just had to be BORN in 1914. THEN when all these were dead or close to it, your cult just changes the definition of the word generation. - You guys are GRASPING at straws and people are just laughing at you.
@GungHo1032 Well, I have to say that it can be EASY to assume that JW's are not accurate.Jesus said this would happen, that people would be self-assuming and haughty-2Timothy 3:1-5. If people would only see the big picture, in that JW's are ACTUALLY doing exactly as the bible fortold. It says it keeps panting on til' the end. Habakkuk 2:3. It will not fail to come true, though, it will not be late. The early disciples thought the kingdom was coming back in their day-Matthew 24:3, Acts 1:6.
@eternityandforever If you google the 'Douglas Walsh Trial' or contact the right court in Scotland you can get your own transcript of the trail and the WT Leaders (of that time) admit to being false prophecies and demand that the followers believe incorrect information. MY G-d doesn't lie, why does yours?
@GungHo1032 Well, I have to say that it can be EASY to assume that JW's are not accurate.Jesus said this would happen, that people would be self-assuming and haughty-2Timothy 3:1-5. If people would only see the big picture, in that JW's are ACTUALLY doing exactly as the bible fortold. It says it keeps panting on til' the end. Habakkuk 2:3. It will not fail to come true, though, it will not be late. The early disciples thought the kingdom was coming back in their day-Matthew 24:3, Acts 1:6
@bosshoss14 "do you have an argument from the BIBLE"
If I may interject, the bible doesn't point to any particular group today by name to say they are false. However, the bible does give us guidelines to compared each group with to make that determination. We can only look at the fruit each group produces and judge that against the Word. So, if anyone makes a "prediction" concerning the fulfillment of prophecy and it doesn't come true, according to scripture, they are false.
@bosshoss14 "do you have an argument from the BIBLE"
It's just like in the case of Catholicism. There is nothing in the bible that specifically says that they are wrong (unless anyone can show me a verse that says "The beliefs of Catholicism are wrong. Thou shalt not join them."), but we can look at their words (i.e. prayers to Mary) and their actions (i.e. bowing to statues, etc.) to determine their spritual status.
@bosshoss14 "do you have an argument from the BIBLE"
Also, JW's love to reference the Catholic Encyclopedia and other non-JW sources to validate their positions on things such as the Trinity and hell. Those are bible references. Is it okay for JW's to use man or things produced by man? I guess it would be if those things support their position.
@bosshoss14 it might be because they are constantly talking about how righteous they are compared to others-kind of like the parable in Lk 18:9-13. The more they speak highly of themselves, the more people will speak against them.
Lol I have a mischievious little idea I plan to execute on any JW knocking on my door. First, I invite em in. All this while I try to act kingly, yet at the same time, modest. Then minutes into the conversation, I would declare, "U are an anointed few. I did not send my Son in 1975 since there was much speculation. He who knoweth the time will not receive. But he who stick till the end will enjoy what I have promised."
@MuscleSculptor WELL SAID, MuscleSculptor! The truth, and only the truth shall set them free if they want to be. Obviously, these blind guides are falling into the same holes they dug for others. Great response! ".....What will you bring, Jehovah's Kingdom? Eternal life and happiness! Praise the UNIVERSAL Sovereign for his Love and Faithfulness!"
THE WTBTS uses manipulation (scriptures) , Intimidation (praise jehovah, stay away from apostates!! dont u dare think about questioning the governing body bla bla bla or u will be destroyed at judgement day!!!!) and discrimination (saying that every other religion is the work of satan, all the other people of different faiths are all apostate satanic bla bla bla bla bla). Sounds like witchcraft and cult like activity to me, religino should be about loving god, and loving people...not that shit
@samsaccountyea Blind dog; don't u "See" how misled u are? That's right!! U r misled! U walk among the disgusting things of this world - Idols and images, lies about Christ and Christmas, gay lovers, people worshipers, defaming God's true name by removing it from the original scrolls......And u wonder why we stay away from people who once worshiped the True God and now wallow in the same mire they once left? YUCK! I'd stay away too! Hmm...ur probably one of them. U stink; u putrid Satanic dog.
@grapesfirst90 i dont worship idols...i dont like gay lovers or anything, i love jesus christ and every1 on this planet including you because we are all gods people.. Its funny you mention people worship, i dont "worshi" people, but you sure do..the governing body of jehovah witnesses gets more praise than jesus christ from jehovah witnesses, so please stop insulting me. You clearly no nothing about me so why say these stupid things eh? did jesus not say love ur enemies? not shun them ;)
@samsaccountyea U started it off. U responded to me in kind. I do apologize for flaming up in righteous indignation. You cursed (shit) and then called me names (zombie, etc). And now you're reminding me of Jesus' admonition to love our enemies? Doesn't feel nice when the hash slings back, now does it? I thought we can agree to disagree, share thought-provoking differences of our faith.
@samsaccountyea Respond to this video... I don't see Russell's name anywhere on our Kingdom Halls, nor are we called "Russellites". We r Jehovah's Witnesses. Russell is dead and gone with all his wrongs. Jealous dog! U deny the truth about Jesus and his Father. Why did u leave out the Holy Spirit in ur fallacious rant? It is clear: U know nothing. U speak like a helium balloon - Full of hot air. Jackass. Still laughing? Enjoy it for now. Ur Lord Jesus is pointing his sword in ur direction.
@samsaccountyea Of course, repetition is good for clarity - to get the point across in case you missed it the first time. Oh yeah, you still didn't answer the questions, though. Guess you have none.
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
why are teh watch tower so concerned about knowing the day and teh time when it is written if they truly trust in jesus then they would not take of what they want and leave what they dont
I CAN'T wait till Jehovahwa kills everyone on earth who doesn't drop out of college to sell these hugely informative books full of 100% completely accurate 1914 information bout Jehovahwa and this evil bad-ass generation written by the faithless and indescreet Judge Rutherford slaves. I CAN'T wait to pet a cute lil tiger and feed the precious lil thing some hay with my cows. It's coming, it's coming, I know it's comin this time gawd dammat! AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
@Jbeliski Is this the best defense to your church, since all this propaganda is just to collect church members for themselves, and the money they are going to be donating out of trust, being told...it's a Devotion to Jesus(The church)? Now now, JWs are only forced to use your doctrine as an example only for what you've promoted, you only slander them for that simple exposure and use "lies" in desperation to there defense, believing everyone in there church or not religious, to believe it -_-
look at all these retards positng negative comments! could it be that they are jelous that their churches/ groups that they belong to cant match the Watchtower? hmmm...
@deathorglory100 - Can't match the Watchtower? Considering the Dubs are only .031 percent of Christianity, why would they want to? - Personally, since I left the cult I have never been happier.
THink about it... The watchtower makes their money when they hold these Giant conventions every year and these assemblies. Big boxes at every corner. U people are being suckered in to neverending trap. I feel sorry for you folks. Ya'll just don;t get it. All these false hopes. Especially when they announced the 1975 end of world prediction. COme on. All this is is publishing company using hiding behind religion to racket in the money. Wake up and smell the cabbage. Smell the Rats.
about 5 years ago, a friend of mine took me to this building. he was in the impression that i was a possible prospect, little did he know that i know the basics of mythology/philosophy/theology...BOY! the people that greeted me were so ROBOTIC, that they made me feel like i was in the twilight zone...
after reading about a dozen of their books and more importantly, other essays that were NOT from their camp, my brain was flexible with tough questions...my CULTIST friend has fled ever since.
@afterray What a lie lol..only people in strong belief to your doctrine would believe this, there to afried of what Russel did back then, that they'd always get proven wrong in faces of amateur JWs to JW minsters. It's funny how you guys have a hard time proving there doctrine wrong that you have to target someone a bit off the subject like something that simply helps create literature...It's like kidnapping a JW's dog for all of this world's SAKE
@afterray Well in defense to JW's theology, I don't take it as the insult impact you people feel. There is no reason for slander other than any action that has taken place. If you feel that anyone of them has immorally breaking you people down then it's just that(If it were to EVEN take place..), JWs have called out Catholic empires for the wrong they have done, and in response toke there whole society at hand and tried to cause great violence upon, simple as that.
@afterray Well in defense to JW's theology, I and they don't take it as the insult impact you people feel. There is no reason for slander other than any action that has taken place. If you feel that anyone of them has immorally breaking you people down then it's just that(If it were to EVEN take place..), JWs have called out Catholic empires for the wrong they have done, and in response toke there whole society at hand and tried to cause great violence upon remaining JW, simple as that.
@RendezvousEntity WOW. you have bombarded me with comments. yet said little. (don't get mad)
let me comment (if i may) on some of your thoughts: "in defense to JW's theology" true. it's their OWN (CULT) just like the NWT)
do you defend with pride, their pathetic FALSE prophecies? (proven themselves a FAKE) "If you feel that anyone of them has immorally breaking you people down" who are the "you people" you are addressing? (be specific)
@afterray Heh, that's not a good way to talk about your doctrine, may I say this, you ONLY get your ideas from other men backed up by the sense you are a part of them and not of plain logic. When did you ever find a nation of JWs leaded to become a cult, do you know why JWs have exposed cults, it's because of there obvious unavoidable threats they've faced, if it makes you so angry they do not back down to such. Tell me, why are they cults?
@RendezvousEntity AGAIN, you're saying less and have avoided my simple questions. (are you sober?)
in regard to your comment of "not of plain logic", it appears that you know logic. if my assumption is correct, i ask you: what is logic? / what's plain logic? / can logic be scientifically / mathematically proven?
if you fail to answer these simple questions, i 'll rest my comments.
@afterray Don't just tell me, oh they support a tyranny to force people into becoming one of them. Because on the JWs side it is a morally to not DO this, so on behalf of that, it gives me the privileged to ask you how you know this, when it's simple that if you are to be a cult, you are not even a JW. I'm sure I can point out cults, such as religious organizations being lead by there high priest in the immoral destruction of opposes, sadly to for you, JWs just..don't like this type of preaching
Respond to this video... i don't care what the jw's "support". i know for SURE that their core of theology is careened with pathetic FALSE prophecies.
u asked me "how you know this" simple. look up the word CULT.
ur comment of "sadly to for you," is twisted. for i'm not part of that context.
enough of the bla, bla, bla. if you fail to answer my qs about the jw's pathetic false prophecies, i will rest my comment with bye-bye.
@afterray@afterray If you don't care what JWs, support, how ARE you sure there theology iis false, you think just because they don't rule the world's influence or anything like that there bad, listen here, Satan is the ruler of this world.
You want me to look up the word cult, okay..*2 minutes later* says followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices, I am LMAO!. you don't think the trinity wasn't something that just poped up in opposition to original Christianity?,
@RendezvousEntity Your little belief with trinity WAS this so called cult or in other words exclusive idea..,in sense recklessly evident, some dude named Constantine decided to take rulership and formed a mold of Christianity and his own paganism = the 1st Roman Catholic church( the first to start the trinity ideas AKA exclusive). He even threatened people!!( to make it worse)..It was by military demand that later made it popular demand among various claimed population, NOW posing as the any old
@RendezvousEntity you failed to understand the context of why i said: i don't care what jw's "support". you need to see ur own comment and connect the dots to my comment, then ull see my point. (common sense)
ur thoughts about the way u think about how i "think" about the jw's is twisted.
true, the concept about the trinity is spurious. BUT lets be realistic & not limited, the belief system of the jw is ALSO spurious and their FALSE prophecies are ridiculous. yet many still blindly fellow...
@afterray How is JWs twisted, when it's your doctrine that hold speechless to the full extent of what Jehovah's witnesses teach... just because JWs call your teachings twisted doesn't mean you go all there twisted, you accept your doctrine is misleading UNTIL, you can have honestly confirmed how it is wrong. It's better to prove something to say something...
@afterray For one I don't fail to answer your question..you sound like you only feel I fail to answer you question because you hesitate to understand my answers..how immature, theres something called a dictionary.
@afterray Stop pretending, you type of kids think you can just walk around it by giving the I don't understand look, you think you can just say I don't make sense so people would avoid looking at the comments. And the difference between Charles and the world delusion, is this word delusion under the trinity is what he forbid. Come again you certainly do NOT mean about Charles don't think going all Charles Russel on me is going to confuse me and make me stop replying.
@RendezvousEntity actually, a "pretender" would be a person(s)(jws) that once heeded pathetic FALSE prophecies and when confronted with facts that are from WITHIN their OWN RESOURCES, they block their ears with more of the same CRAP that's being given to them by a WEAK committee that's against critical thinking. (a red flag)
did you know that CULT leaders / institutions forbid its SAD members to ask critical questions / read material that exposes (via scripture) their weak CONCEPTS?
@afterray And a lier is one who goes and calls a bible studier a prophet especially about someone knowing the end of the earth when the bible even says no man can know the end of this world, all he did was predict, is there anything wrong with that? you people take JWs prophesies and make it look like there dependence on there overall concept, and thus since predicts aren't right, you accuse them of there intention, which is some random idea of them trying to be prophets
@RendezvousEntity i'm not sure if your question is sincere / you're being funny. when a guru/ priest / rabbi or an imam interprets scripture and starts to pin point events that are to occur, immediately the poor minded followers will heed. unfortunately, some will realize that their leader was wrong / protest, while others will continue to LICK the principles (under a different name: bible student to JW's) of that institution...
@afterray Theres no way your going to assume a cult by a prediction based on the closely analysis of the bible, YOU HAVE misunderstood the meaning of cult man..and yes I know that cults do some unintelligent things, but why are you "randomly" accusing Jehovah's witnesses of such..If JWs are known to be what they say they be, then why would they even do something so dumb like that, so by this said, whenever had they done this. Well since it's against there etiquette...
@RendezvousEntity if anyone out there would research (religious background) the history of charles taze russel, one will see how he defines a CULT. his pathetic interpretations of the bible is another reason why people (out-group) should be careful whenever they hear a knock on their door...
thanks for admitting "I know that cults do some unintelligent things" (like 1878 / 1914. these pathetic biblical FALSE ( yrs) connection that russell had his members swallowed, hurt their throats...
@afterray You think JWs have tried to change Christianity then your wrong, because your Christianity was dated in originally to the 4th century, so how is yours the original what after 400 years after Jesus's death, a "new" Christian doctrine had taken dominance, JWs formed there church over research and comparing new generation doctrine to the ancient texts and features, of course they never had just poofed out beliefs out of no where, why do you see as JWs standing against such Christendom
@RendezvousEntity - And yet after their research, they claimed the Leviathan of the Bible was the steam locomotive, and that God resided in the Pleadeas star system...and the Jesus returned INVISIBLY in 1874....despite the Bible stating ALL would see him.
@RendezvousEntity first of all. i don's own (as u claim "your Christianity") that concept. on what bases is ur accusation? (is this the SAD russell effect of POOR / ridiculous judgment (s) ?)
as u calim : "JWs formed there church over research" ok. but that "research" has proven AGAIN / AGAIN / AGAIN and...that it's flawed.
as u claim: "ancient texts and features" hmm, are u talking about the theological
CONCEPTS of babylonian / canaanites or the sumerian IDEAS prior to the pentateuch?
@afterray I only used you to figuratively point out a fellow believer in your faith..and it's not poor, because you never considered the dang results Mr, you only consider something that hasn't even been claimed as a fact, you must really have a hard time making peace -_- if you jump to conclusions like that
@afterray By the looks of it, whose the cult now. I would've had kept that subject untouched in consideration to your Christianity history. I'm not here to make anyone cry or look bad like most love doing, I only wish you'd taken into consideration of what JWs are contradicting, and whether or not your are pleasing yourself or god.
@RendezvousEntity not in ur DREAMS will u be able to make me "cry / look bad", for that's impossible to my consciousness of will.
it's not my intention to "please myself or god" as u WISH to think.
i'm a slow learner that likes to read and express my views to those that are self- righteous. (thinking they know scripture and are happily ready to show others that their belief system is false) i know a lot of people like that.(U)
as we exchange thoughts, the readers will see who's baloney...
@afterray I've seen what how far you people go as to make someone believe in something, it's not my wishes but to specify, your type of entertainment..
@RendezvousEntity if you are in denial about the pathetic FALSE prophecies that Charles made, i pity you...
you have failed to understand that Charles was delusional by def-i-ni-tion. ur justification about Charles / trinity in relation to HIS DELUSION is low. (try again)
my objective is not to"confuse" u by showing that the founder of the jw movement was a FAKE fool that deceived many in the name of elohim. i could only lay down the facts. the final judgment is up to the readers...
@afterray First of all I've seen this stuff on a JW opposition video, and I've only accounted them of lies of half truth. Anyways, what prophesies are you talking about, in common sense, Charles never made any prophesies, just predictions, he never felt like they were ever to be absolutely accurate, thus is a prediction. This mix up has easily cause you guys to be cunningly mislead of what Jehovah's witnesses's have really been. For in his bible even says, no man can know the end of this world..
@RendezvousEntity REMINDER: in essence, prophecy / prediction are the same. true, their motive is not.
if you think that he (russell) felt that his scriptural interpretations were not taken seriously or true, you are either being intentionally mislead (via watchtower material) to think so or you are very ignorant about his views of 1878 / 1914 AND their LINK. (dig deeper pal)
russell has caused permanent psychological / spiritual damage. i pity the innocent kids of that time...
@afterray You think just because Russel used the bible events to predict something, he made it a custom thus misleading people. This was a hypothesis for your information..so how is he misleading people by the reasoning of how this "predicting" came to be. All prophesies belong to the bible, and Russel's intention was out of sheer curiosity, not to add to it's doctrine.
@RendezvousEntity wow. the structure of ur comment reveals that u are REALLY ignorant about how russell misinterpreted (arrogance) verses (psa. 72:19; isa.6:3; hab. 2:14) that he BELIEVED / his FAITH / his TRUST in the NWT (not hypothesized as u wish readers to thk) were to be established in 1914.
unfortunately, when 1914 arrived, it happily showed russell and his thumb sucking bible students that it came and left. in case u forget, we are in 2010. (perhaps u could do the math)
@afterray Didn't a bible character say no man can predict the end of time, my friend Russel never predicted the end of time, he specified Jesus's message of the last days of our existences on this earth lead by Satan. Maybe Russel said it, but it was only a chronological project of determination, this is clearly not a Jehovah witnesses religious view, but knowing 1914 was the genital times not the end of time, this was when Jesus toke rule my friend
@RendezvousEntity AGAIN (last time). advice: can u clean the mega ton wax that's inside of ur ears, before reading out loud (1million times) my comment. (hopefully, u'll hear /understand the FACT(s))
russell's pathetic / misguided biblical interpretations lead him to BELIEVE / TRUST tht ALL of the govts were going to be replaced in 1914.
1914 is gone. it also has PROVEN tht 1878 was WISHFUL thinking. (another great score (among many) for mr. russell and his poor thumb suckers...)
@afterray Ask your self this "Did Russel really claim the end of the world?? well listen up... Just as Jesus predicted, his “presence” as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of God’s heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of “the last days” of this present wicked system of things.—2 Timothy 3:1-5.
@RendezvousEntity AGAIN, u have demonstrated that u are REALLY ignorant. (perhaps it's the confused "spirit of truth" that's inside of ur brain)
russell made it very clear in his bk: (the time is at hand 1889) that based on the truth, (look up truth)by the end (look up end) of 1914, ALL of the governments (look up government) will cease and that the kingdom of jehovah will reign. (pathetic)
in case u forget, america's ideology is democracy, NOT russell SAD hopes / dreams and failure of....
@afterray Revelation 12:6, 14 indicates that three and a half times equal “a thousand two hundred and sixty days.” “Seven times” would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days. But the Gentile nations did not stop ‘trampling’ on God’s rulership a mere 2,520 days after Jerusalem’s fall. Evidently, then, this prophecy covers a much longer period of time. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, which speak of “a day for a year,” the “seven times” would cover 2,520 years.
@RendezvousEntity ha. who do u think u a fooling with such self proven mathematical FAILURE (s).
russell interpreted the above twisted calculations to prove to his poor minded bible students that 1914 was relevant. on the other hand, we must ignore 1878 (among other pathetic misinterpreted yrs. oh yah, there are many more of russells stupid FALSE yrs. u need to DIG DEEPER pal)
SIMPLE math: if the above biblical calculations are true, what's the difference btw 2010 & 1914? (get my point)
@RendezvousEntity lastly. i do not "fool" anyone. i only show fools that their thoughts are foolish. the reason why i haven't touched the bibles aspect (proving the jw wrong from their OWN NWT) of our exchange of thoughts, is because u have demonstrated ur denial (stubbornness) about the self-evident pity of russell's errors.
how do u expect me to elaborate about certain verse when u fail to see the REAL connection of 1878-1914?
@afterray Yes you fool people, you got the idea 1914 wrong that's why it sounds like what you kids call "a fail", no there is no real connection, maybe because they are estimates...
for the benefit of the readers, i will touch on the relationship btw 1878-1914 AND why u pretend that there's no connection.
russell made TONS of pathetic, self-deceiving claims that were based on biblical interpretations...
in 1878, the "invisible presence of Christ " was established. this force "guided / prepared" the bible students for 1914...long story sht, 1914 was a FAILURE and so was the FAKE "Christ presence" of 1878...DIG DEEPER and u'll see...
@afterray All you did was get the dates, and toss them into your own explanation..that's why it sounds like a failure..if you really want to know what it means, then you'd accept how I say it, which you won't because you only want to hear stuff in opposition. You don't understand the difference between earth and heaven do you?
@afterray Are yo considering the beta of a small project, or the results. Don't be a bully and have honor or what others think, whereas you'll only find true understanding. In this case, Jehovah's are right about 1914, being genital
@afterray Oh wow bringing up the subject of little kids, how immature :/, JWs are misleading, people are JUST misleading you about the Jehovah's witnesses, you would know better by really consulting a Jehovah's witnesses, many of what JWs say about false doctrine are really bringing up true ideas of there doctrine to the field of there contradiction, sadly most people really NEED to talk to JWs face to face, open there logic, and know who's better yourself or people who JUST TELL you what do to
@RendezvousEntity as u claim: "people are JUST misleading you about the Jehovah's witnesses" YUP. and guess what? my materials are from ur OWN (watchtower)
i have spoken to many of elders "face to face" and the outcome is always the same: they FLEE like flies. why? because i have a brain that's flexible, enabling my conscious to ask critical questions (via the scriptures) and hoping for a REASONABLE answer..
i noticed that when the jw's see that i'm not a possible prospect, they FLEE like flies.
@afterray They flee, oh wow, you know why they flee, maybe it's because your to much lied to or immature to take in anyone's wishes into consideration, it's all about yourself huh..
@afterray Oh wow, there is no period between 1878 and 1914 that JWs call sacred, they were chronological estimates, 1914 is the only date referring to Christ's taking the throne by what the bible shows
@RendezvousEntity OH, could you stop sending me personal e-mails. i want the readers to see and understand that there's a difference between paradigmatic imagination and REALITY. i think that that's fair.
@afterray False prophesies, whose making false or prophesies at all. It's clearly a predication, don't you even know where 1914 came from. The only alpha-less conclusion bond assumption made by a clergy or elder, was the pope, clearly with no particular science behind his "prediction" he was one who has tried to make tons of prophesies, and what do you take that for, how does he expect us to believe he used the keys of heaven for some ceremony, whereas no one could ever logically determine that.
@RendezvousEntity in essence, the meaning of a prophecy / prediction is the same. (dictionaries help)
1914 ha! a yr that many imbeciles (bible students, now known as JWs'. hmm, a transformation. every wonder why? if u have a brain, research the motive behind the CAUSE) heeded the FALSE, pathetic AND failed interpretation of russel's view of psa.2:9; rev. 2:27. his poor idea (BASED on scripture) was supposed to obliterated the pillars of america (democracy) and introduce another ideology..
@afterray RUSSELL has demonstrated to his members that all of his biblical analysis (jehovah this, jehovah that, bible this, scripture that, jesus presence this, jesus that ...) was FLAWED.
how can this belief system garner my respect when little children, then and now are being tricked into a belief system that has a record of FALSE teachings.
you have nerve belittling the trinity ( via personal e-m) and look the other way by defending russells pathetic, FALSE scriptural views...wake up!
@RendezvousEntity of course you FAILED to answer my questions, just like the failing pathetic FALSE prophecies that Charles Taze Russel made...
if your elders at the kingdom hall teaches not to ask / answer any challenging questions, i pity your FEAR of disfellowship...
if you "sense" hesitation in my comments about your poor thoughts, i see that the Charles taze Russell sickness of delusion is common among his members.
...don't get emotional, this is only a WAKE UP call...
@afterray I know how hard it can be to accept something in the face of denial. For that I'll only ask you take respect to Jesus's words, not an act towards church or even just because someone says something about Jesus, you just believe it and forget about what Jesus said then.
@afterray And, I'm not blind, because I am aware of the oppositions people make, correct them to as far as they take me, and leave them speechless forcing them to resort to only what they claim (Other words, what they can see otherwise, if you'd like)
@afterray Well, anyways about the JW's dog thing, I was honestly using an analogy, not another LITERAL title, then how immature is that, which is, not to be off topic, but (not to say you people again) but your people's habit of interpretation, there is only one reason following up why experienced JWs believe you can be mislead.. is because it WAS NOT, what Jesus taught, it doesn't matter what men come up with, if it's against Jesus's ideas. Then you have to rethink this regardless. Please do.
man ..look at all these brain dead people..you'd think they would be smarter to know when they are being mis-led by secret societies like the Freemasons. did you notice 33 buildings? 33 is a very important number to the Freemasons. oh and did you guy's know..the founder of the j.w.'s ..Charles taze Russell was a 33rd degree Freemason and a Zionist..and did you know his wife's family was connected to satanist? NO..B/C YOU GUY'S LIKE BEING BRAINWASHED!!
@cabe277 With strong beliefs it's hard to teach people someone whether truth or lie, if it is what you believe in, I won't hold you back. It is said by the "JWs" Jehovah(God) will save even the people who are mislead. Whether you seek truth or not, continue to be a good person, it is the least god will approve, hasn't he been read to forgive anyone's sins, why not if they are being mislead. The most I ask out of everyone is quit giving into what is generally bad, no matter what man may say.
Wow.. you JW's are really fucked up and brain washed.... check this out if ur a REAL JW!!! youtube.com/watch?v=QaWwRhaHI6I maybe this will help you...oh wait you all call us earthly/worldly right??? so what fucking planet are you all from?? EARTH ??? hmmmmmm ur earthly fucks like us too...
@Danielislink i assure i am not ignorant nor do i worship satin... I don't know one JW that is happy or has great family.... what kind of religion disowns their own blood??? you celebrate the Death of Jesus Christ and not his Birth?? You dont believe in the U.S. Military?? American Flag?? I see you fuckers go door to door in SoCal... why dont you fuckers go to the middle east and preach your bullshit!!! see how they treat you!!! very welcoming with an AK maybe....
Why don;t you try Ecclesiastes 9:5 where it talks about the living knowing that they will die and as for the dead they know nothing at all. It"s in your bible.
@atravldude - Interesting how you only cited the part of Ecclesiastes 9:5 that supports Watchtower dogma. What do you believe about the rest of the verse - " Neither to they (the dead) have any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten". So that would rule out a future resurrection, right? That's in your Bible too. So if you would put restrictions on the meaning of that last part, then I will put restrictions on the meaning of the part you quoted.
@cooper79jeffr-Revelation 21: 3, 4-"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away" (NIV). 1 Corinthians 15: 26: "The last enemy to be destroyed is death" (NIV). That said, now do you understand why the "memory of them is forgotten"? No, the rest of Vs 5 does not rule out the resurrection; rather Vs 5 confirms it. All the pain of this world will be forgotten for those resurrected. Wonderful, u agree?
@grapesfirst90 No prob,, cooper79jeffr; it is expected that people will have that same reaction you have when the Bible is used to substantiate some point. After all, Jesus used the scriptures whenever the Scribes and Pharisees challenged or questioned him; and they pretty much did the same thing - Accused him of PICKING. You're right; every religion does it. Difference is, I can back mine up with any Bible. Thank God for an open mind.
My dear little brother, who knows nothing but the Watchtower, went to Bethel, and spent two days working his tail off for the Watchtower, and he felt so honored...so moved that he was able to work for Jehovah, that he had tears. But they work their volunteer like machines...and they burn out. Free labor, obediant slaves, who only want to do all they can to serve the only true God; if only they knew Him!!
REALITY. No church is perfect because ALL men are sinners and are being constantly deceived by the opposer of God who is far more clever than any human being! Jehovah's Witnesses go to the people to share the good news about God's coming Kingdom of peace on earth, which is what Jesus taught his followers to do. Luke 4:43 Matt 24:14 Acts 20:20; 5:42
So you have two organisations that are doing that, the Mormons and the JW's. Which one do YOU think is doing God's will??
@TheGloriaaDeus Archangel means 'chief angel' and it is never used in the plural form in the Bible. Look at the scriptures mentioning 'Archangels voice' 'God's trumpet' 'great Prince' Daniel 10:31; 12:1 & Jude verse 9. In 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Paul describes the resurrected Jesus, saying: "The Lord [Jesus] himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's trumpet." So Jesus Christ himself is here indentified as the archangel, or chief angel.
@ReligionOrTruth You know what else, ReligionOrTruth, many people discern the Prince of Peace, Emmanuel, Mighty God, Wonderful Counselor refers to Jesus Christ; yet the Bible does not say Jesus. The Chief Angel - The Firstborn f God - Is Jesus although the Bible doesn't say it. Isn't something how people try to find fault with everything Jehovah's Witnesses do? Agents of Satan.
@grapesfirst90 - It's amazing how the Watchtower Society finds fault with everything every religion and institution of mankind (outside of theirs) does. Then they expect people to just listen and obey them, as if they were God's mouthpiece to mankind.
Is your organization above an honest examination? After all, you tell people to examine their religion.
When you assign words like "Satanic" to anyone who disagrees with you, that colors your religion a cult.
@cooper79jeffr Jesus called the religious leaders of his time "Hypocrites" "White-washed graves" (Matthew 23: 27); "You belong to your father, the devil, ......the father of lies" (John 8:44). Would you say Jesus was wrong for calling it as he saw it? Did he expect people to agree with his teachings? "Yet, because I tell you the truth, you do not believe me" (John 8:45).
@grapesfirst90 - I wouldn't say Jesus was wrong for calling a spade a spade. However what right do imperfect humans have to do that? It just sounds like a bunch of squabbling.
However if the WT Society insists on dishing out harsh criticism, it should be able to take it graciously too. In most relationships it's a sign of major insecurity when you give out harsh criticism but cannot accept any correction yourself.
@cooper79jeffr Did not Jesus called 12 imperfect men? Curing the sick, raising the dead, restoring sight to the blind? Did not the "imperfect" Apostles perform the same works as Jesus did? What right do imperfect humans have to do that? Every right because Jesus gave them that right when he said: "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father" (John 14:12)
@grapesfirst90 - I implied Jesus as a perfect man had the right to call out judgment. So you went to John 14:12 - to prove that Jesus' followers will do what he had been doing. So do you raise the dead and heal the sick? I didn't think so. And I'm not arguing in favor of faith-healing. I'm making the point that imperfect humans cannot do what Jesus did, including calling out direct condemnatory judgment on those who differ from them.
@cooper79jeffr You seem to think the messages of doom conveyed by JWs are directly from them. With BIble in hand, they show people the judgments of Jehovah. "This is what Jehovah has said......" "Jesus said......." I didn't read anywhere in the NWT "And Brother Rutherford said....." "Brother Russell said....." These men are long gone - dead. So what is your point? You keep harping on them as if they wrote the Bible. Those men cannot save you or anybody; so you worship men? Is that it?
@cooper79jeffr No JWs do not perform the perfect works our Savior; 1 Corinthians 13: 8 says: "Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away". Since u take things so literal, tell me: Why r u not doing what Jesus told u to do? You sure have a lot to complain about - dead people who can't defend themselves; people u just so happen to ....... judge? Now you judge the dead, do you?
@grapesfirst90 - You're playing the Watchtower card: painting former JW's as miserable complainers. As far as whether I judge dead past Watchtower leaders, I was merely pointing out that Rutherford's conversion of the Watchtower Society into a marketing machine wasn't scriptural. It's not like I called him a miserable boozing tyrant!!
You may not share my assessment, but wow if you saying I'm judging him you're being really touchy. The man's teachings are not above criticism.
@cooper79jeffr The appointed prophets of old dished out worse and harsher criticism of the political and religious system of ancient Jerusalem. Jeremiah spoke out boldly of the hypocrisy and the wickedness of idol worship going on; and look what happened to him: His own people he was commissioned to preach to put him in stocks. Isaiah was beheaded, so was John the Baptist - All, including the Minor prophets, were thrown in prison or killed for preaching an unpopular message.
@grapesfirst90 - Regarding your argument that Jehovah's Witnesses have the right to dish out criticism, you named several prophets of old who did so. So are you claiming that Jehovah's Witnesses are prophets? I didn't think so. If you don't have the "gift of prophesy" and don't claim to be prophets, then you cannot act as the prophets of old did. At most you can bring "good news". I don't know where you were commissioned to bring judgments and bad news.
@cooper79jeffr Again, the Bible brings the bad news - the destruction of this system of things, and the good news - Jehovah's Name vindicated once and for all; the very name corrupt religious leaders removed from the original scrolls. If u - again - literally think JWs act as prophets, u are mistaken. I referred to the prophets to point out Jehovah's history in sending forth imperfect men to declare his messages to a corrupt world. Now u are nickpicking......just like Satan the opposer.
@cooper79jeffr Going back further, Moses also preached an unpopular message to Pharoah "Afterward Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Let my people go, so that they may hold a festival to me in the desert.' " (Exodus 5:1). What was Pharoah's response? "Pharaoh said, "Who is the LORD, that I should obey him and let Israel go? I do not know the LORD and I will not let Israel go." We know the rest, don't we?
Must of been the watchtower back in 2011
TheMichael408 1 week ago
@eternityandforever you say this but did they give specific dates ? Why did your founder say 1914,1915,1918 Jesus was coming back and then again in 1925 Abraham and the prophets were coming God says no man knows the hour nor the day. So why keep believing in the wt society ? Created by man not God
Jesransam 1 month ago
I dont see any recycled logos on any of their books or mags...If they are not using recycled paper they are ruining the Earth.
GrowlerVigilante 4 months ago
how is the graphic arts done
TheRivetthead 5 months ago
Clearly, here are many who are working hard in & for Jehovah's earthly organization! - 1 Thess. 4:11 Let's not give up in doing so.
MsLorbeth 5 months ago
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thepixieful 7 months ago
Typically, cult leaders hide from their rank and file of complete information on all of the mechanisms that exist in the cult and have been successfully used for the recruitment and retention of students in a group and the control of his consciousness. They also hide and the truth about the past lives of their leaders, as well as the teachings and doctrines that have changed for one reason or another.
rockstock80 7 months ago
So much for "Discreet"..
caligirl7525 8 months ago 3
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You lost the game, we're here for our slaves back.
ariesmajor 8 months ago
I had a few chances to go visit the branch, I'm glad that I missed out on the "divine" opportunity ;)
1914watcher 9 months ago
The Watchtower conned my family out of everything they had.
glamourknight 10 months ago
And what about all the secret hidden rooms under the streets of brooklyn yeah the watchtower has a lot their hiding.
essy111 11 months ago
@essy111 I heard that too.
thepixieful 1 month ago
CULTS are no joke.
afterray 1 year ago
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plenty2say 1 year ago
All that printing and not an intelligent thought within it...mind you that's because the witnesses are the only ones ready the boring stuff lol.
arniemazmax 1 year ago
jw's are so nice i dont find a reason why people opose them its just not right, every body has their own beliefs.
bosshoss14 1 year ago
@bosshoss14 - Maybe its because they break up families over stuff like saving your child's life with blood, or shunning over sending a birthday card, or supporting the troops, voting, smoking a cigar and a myriad of other non Biblical stuff. - They also have ever changing doctrine with their core teachings changing on an almost yearly basis.
GungHo1032 1 year ago
@GungHo1032 but still the bible says in leviticus 19:17 "You should not hate your brother in your heart." and people still hate.
bosshoss14 1 year ago
@bosshoss14 - So, I let the Dubs kill my child, and break up my family and we are all going to be friends right?
GungHo1032 1 year ago
@bosshoss14 - BTW, the Bible also says to beware of the false prophet, and that is what the JW's have proved themselves to be time and time again.
GungHo1032 1 year ago 2
@GungHo1032 you, do have a point that the bible says that but my question is why do you say that jw's are false prophets do you have an argument from the BIBLE because we have to base our knowledge from it not from humans like it says in psalms 118:8,9 "we have to refuge in god rather than human" in other words trust god not humans because god is perfect and he created us.
bosshoss14 1 year ago
@bosshoss14 - Dang man open your eyes. The Dubs have committed one false prophecy after another. But here is a very obvious one for you....for almost a hundred years the masthead of the magazine Awake proclaimed that the generation of 1914 would BY NO MEANS pass away before the end came. - I hate to break it to you, but that generation is all DEAD. Heck 1914 was the WW ONE generation, and most of the WW Two generation is now gone. - Go to JWfactsDOTcom and learn more.
GungHo1032 1 year ago 8
@GungHo1032 not true
theBIGOnick 11 months ago
@theBIGOnick - Like most comments made by Dubs, yours lacks shall we say, precision. Exactly WHAT did I say that is not true? It has been days since I have made a J-Dub look like a fool, so pleas enlighten me so I can show you how wrong you are. - You know, Dubs really should wake up and smell the coffee, and get some of their "facts" from somewhere else besides their cult publications.
GungHo1032 11 months ago
@GungHo1032 my grandmother is still alive.
fashionxxbeauty 8 months ago
@fashionxxbeauty - As a "generation" they are now considered dead. Though there might be one of two still alive here and there. - Besides the Dubs first taught that that this generation meant those BORN in 1895. Tell me, is granny 116 years old?
GungHo1032 8 months ago
@GungHo1032 not all the 144000 were born before or on 1914. the picking started on 1914
aralyn22 8 months ago
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@aralyn22 - "not all the 144000 were born before or on 1914. the picking started on 1914" - Is this another example of JW critical reasoning? - What you just stated has NOTHING to do with your cult's teaching for more than a hundred years, that "the GENERATION of 1914 will by NO MEANS pass away before the end."
GungHo1032 8 months ago
@GungHo1032 QUIT referring people to false teachers. RELY on the bible for the facts! A generation can consist of others in that family that were born later=one son can live to be 100, and have an 80 year old brother still alive. That 80 year old brother is 'still' a part of that 'generation'. So, we are REALIZING that it really can happen this way. I am 45, have one son who is 27, and my youngest is 4. So they are apart of the 'same generation'. THINK about it, reason on it, it is so very true!
eternityandforever 6 months ago
@eternityandforever - I do rely on the Bible. I have done this ever since I quit being a JW. - Fact is your cult first said those born in 1885 would be alive when the end came. Then 1890, 1900, then one just had to be BORN in 1914. THEN when all these were dead or close to it, your cult just changes the definition of the word generation. - You guys are GRASPING at straws and people are just laughing at you.
GungHo1032 6 months ago
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@GungHo1032 Well, I have to say that it can be EASY to assume that JW's are not accurate.Jesus said this would happen, that people would be self-assuming and haughty-2Timothy 3:1-5. If people would only see the big picture, in that JW's are ACTUALLY doing exactly as the bible fortold. It says it keeps panting on til' the end. Habakkuk 2:3. It will not fail to come true, though, it will not be late. The early disciples thought the kingdom was coming back in their day-Matthew 24:3, Acts 1:6.
eternityandforever 6 months ago
@eternityandforever If you google the 'Douglas Walsh Trial' or contact the right court in Scotland you can get your own transcript of the trail and the WT Leaders (of that time) admit to being false prophecies and demand that the followers believe incorrect information. MY G-d doesn't lie, why does yours?
GrowlerVigilante 4 months ago
@GungHo1032 Well, I have to say that it can be EASY to assume that JW's are not accurate.Jesus said this would happen, that people would be self-assuming and haughty-2Timothy 3:1-5. If people would only see the big picture, in that JW's are ACTUALLY doing exactly as the bible fortold. It says it keeps panting on til' the end. Habakkuk 2:3. It will not fail to come true, though, it will not be late. The early disciples thought the kingdom was coming back in their day-Matthew 24:3, Acts 1:6
eternityandforever 6 months ago
@eternityandforever - Assume they are not accurate? That is because they are a false prophet.
GungHo1032 6 months ago
@eternityandforever You can always tell a JW from the other apples. You really know your bible and how to defend your faith. Much respect to you.
MasterCSX 2 months ago
@bosshoss14 "do you have an argument from the BIBLE"
If I may interject, the bible doesn't point to any particular group today by name to say they are false. However, the bible does give us guidelines to compared each group with to make that determination. We can only look at the fruit each group produces and judge that against the Word. So, if anyone makes a "prediction" concerning the fulfillment of prophecy and it doesn't come true, according to scripture, they are false.
rpierre777 9 months ago
@bosshoss14 "do you have an argument from the BIBLE"
It's just like in the case of Catholicism. There is nothing in the bible that specifically says that they are wrong (unless anyone can show me a verse that says "The beliefs of Catholicism are wrong. Thou shalt not join them."), but we can look at their words (i.e. prayers to Mary) and their actions (i.e. bowing to statues, etc.) to determine their spritual status.
rpierre777 9 months ago
@bosshoss14 "do you have an argument from the BIBLE"
Also, JW's love to reference the Catholic Encyclopedia and other non-JW sources to validate their positions on things such as the Trinity and hell. Those are bible references. Is it okay for JW's to use man or things produced by man? I guess it would be if those things support their position.
rpierre777 9 months ago
@bosshoss14 it might be because they are constantly talking about how righteous they are compared to others-kind of like the parable in Lk 18:9-13. The more they speak highly of themselves, the more people will speak against them.
rpierre777 9 months ago
Did you know that .031 percent of all Christians are assholes? BTW, JW's represent .031 percent. - I wonder....
GungHo1032 1 year ago
@GungHo1032 hahaha thats the wurst argument i heard since now rofl
Healitall 1 year ago
What a waste of perfectly good wood!
Allanlegacy43 1 year ago
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Lol I have a mischievious little idea I plan to execute on any JW knocking on my door. First, I invite em in. All this while I try to act kingly, yet at the same time, modest. Then minutes into the conversation, I would declare, "U are an anointed few. I did not send my Son in 1975 since there was much speculation. He who knoweth the time will not receive. But he who stick till the end will enjoy what I have promised."
I bet the JW's would be shitting in their pants.
S8917560G 1 year ago
@MuscleSculptor WELL SAID, MuscleSculptor! The truth, and only the truth shall set them free if they want to be. Obviously, these blind guides are falling into the same holes they dug for others. Great response! ".....What will you bring, Jehovah's Kingdom? Eternal life and happiness! Praise the UNIVERSAL Sovereign for his Love and Faithfulness!"
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
THE WTBTS uses manipulation (scriptures) , Intimidation (praise jehovah, stay away from apostates!! dont u dare think about questioning the governing body bla bla bla or u will be destroyed at judgement day!!!!) and discrimination (saying that every other religion is the work of satan, all the other people of different faiths are all apostate satanic bla bla bla bla bla). Sounds like witchcraft and cult like activity to me, religino should be about loving god, and loving people...not that shit
samsaccountyea 1 year ago
@samsaccountyea Blind dog; don't u "See" how misled u are? That's right!! U r misled! U walk among the disgusting things of this world - Idols and images, lies about Christ and Christmas, gay lovers, people worshipers, defaming God's true name by removing it from the original scrolls......And u wonder why we stay away from people who once worshiped the True God and now wallow in the same mire they once left? YUCK! I'd stay away too! Hmm...ur probably one of them. U stink; u putrid Satanic dog.
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
@grapesfirst90 i dont worship idols...i dont like gay lovers or anything, i love jesus christ and every1 on this planet including you because we are all gods people.. Its funny you mention people worship, i dont "worshi" people, but you sure do..the governing body of jehovah witnesses gets more praise than jesus christ from jehovah witnesses, so please stop insulting me. You clearly no nothing about me so why say these stupid things eh? did jesus not say love ur enemies? not shun them ;)
samsaccountyea 1 year ago
@samsaccountyea U started it off. U responded to me in kind. I do apologize for flaming up in righteous indignation. You cursed (shit) and then called me names (zombie, etc). And now you're reminding me of Jesus' admonition to love our enemies? Doesn't feel nice when the hash slings back, now does it? I thought we can agree to disagree, share thought-provoking differences of our faith.
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
@samsaccountyea Respond to this video... I don't see Russell's name anywhere on our Kingdom Halls, nor are we called "Russellites". We r Jehovah's Witnesses. Russell is dead and gone with all his wrongs. Jealous dog! U deny the truth about Jesus and his Father. Why did u leave out the Holy Spirit in ur fallacious rant? It is clear: U know nothing. U speak like a helium balloon - Full of hot air. Jackass. Still laughing? Enjoy it for now. Ur Lord Jesus is pointing his sword in ur direction.
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
@grapesfirst90 now ur just repeating urself, gg
samsaccountyea 1 year ago
@samsaccountyea Of course, repetition is good for clarity - to get the point across in case you missed it the first time. Oh yeah, you still didn't answer the questions, though. Guess you have none.
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
why are teh watch tower so concerned about knowing the day and teh time when it is written if they truly trust in jesus then they would not take of what they want and leave what they dont
kankunkid 1 year ago
Armageddon is coming!!! You fuckers need to suck start a pistol to get there faster!!!
chavezc23 1 year ago
I CAN'T wait till Jehovahwa kills everyone on earth who doesn't drop out of college to sell these hugely informative books full of 100% completely accurate 1914 information bout Jehovahwa and this evil bad-ass generation written by the faithless and indescreet Judge Rutherford slaves. I CAN'T wait to pet a cute lil tiger and feed the precious lil thing some hay with my cows. It's coming, it's coming, I know it's comin this time gawd dammat! AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
Jbeliski 1 year ago
@Jbeliski Is this the best defense to your church, since all this propaganda is just to collect church members for themselves, and the money they are going to be donating out of trust, being told...it's a Devotion to Jesus(The church)? Now now, JWs are only forced to use your doctrine as an example only for what you've promoted, you only slander them for that simple exposure and use "lies" in desperation to there defense, believing everyone in there church or not religious, to believe it -_-
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
look at all these retards positng negative comments! could it be that they are jelous that their churches/ groups that they belong to cant match the Watchtower? hmmm...
deathorglory100 1 year ago
@deathorglory100 - Can't match the Watchtower? Considering the Dubs are only .031 percent of Christianity, why would they want to? - Personally, since I left the cult I have never been happier.
GungHo1032 1 year ago
@GungHo1032 Well the Dubs are whatever percent they are but your group, the Duds, are irrelevant to that percentage...catch my drift?
deathorglory100 1 year ago
@deathorglory100 - Is that the best you got kid?
GungHo1032 1 year ago
@GungHo1032 thats all your worth big man.
deathorglory100 1 year ago
HUMAN ROBOTS!
mrroyjones1000 1 year ago
THink about it... The watchtower makes their money when they hold these Giant conventions every year and these assemblies. Big boxes at every corner. U people are being suckered in to neverending trap. I feel sorry for you folks. Ya'll just don;t get it. All these false hopes. Especially when they announced the 1975 end of world prediction. COme on. All this is is publishing company using hiding behind religion to racket in the money. Wake up and smell the cabbage. Smell the Rats.
treesajan 1 year ago 3
@treesajan he bro dont worry about the JW's..they are they least of your concern...
deathorglory100 1 year ago
@treesajan
a publishing company funded by the "shareholders" with "products" given away for free - - to YOU!!! LOL
Bucket of Bethelites !! LOL never watching smurfs again.....
Fizzypop1211 1 year ago
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Danielislink 1 year ago
CULT...
whatever5004 1 year ago 2
about 5 years ago, a friend of mine took me to this building. he was in the impression that i was a possible prospect, little did he know that i know the basics of mythology/philosophy/theology...BOY! the people that greeted me were so ROBOTIC, that they made me feel like i was in the twilight zone...
after reading about a dozen of their books and more importantly, other essays that were NOT from their camp, my brain was flexible with tough questions...my CULTIST friend has fled ever since.
afterray 1 year ago 2
@afterray What a lie lol..only people in strong belief to your doctrine would believe this, there to afried of what Russel did back then, that they'd always get proven wrong in faces of amateur JWs to JW minsters. It's funny how you guys have a hard time proving there doctrine wrong that you have to target someone a bit off the subject like something that simply helps create literature...It's like kidnapping a JW's dog for all of this world's SAKE
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity if you are a jw, i understand your emotions.
what "people" are heeding "my doctrine"? u have misread my SIMPLE point and have put me into an unknown category of "you guys". (sad flow of thought)
"there to afried of what Russel did back then" true. and are shaken when confuted...
how do u know that I ("you guys")"have a hard time proving there doctrine wrong"
when u do NOT know what i know?
ur analogy of the "JW's dog" is exactly the core of the atonement. (unless ur blind)
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Well in defense to JW's theology, I don't take it as the insult impact you people feel. There is no reason for slander other than any action that has taken place. If you feel that anyone of them has immorally breaking you people down then it's just that(If it were to EVEN take place..), JWs have called out Catholic empires for the wrong they have done, and in response toke there whole society at hand and tried to cause great violence upon, simple as that.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@afterray Well in defense to JW's theology, I and they don't take it as the insult impact you people feel. There is no reason for slander other than any action that has taken place. If you feel that anyone of them has immorally breaking you people down then it's just that(If it were to EVEN take place..), JWs have called out Catholic empires for the wrong they have done, and in response toke there whole society at hand and tried to cause great violence upon remaining JW, simple as that.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity WOW. you have bombarded me with comments. yet said little. (don't get mad)
let me comment (if i may) on some of your thoughts: "in defense to JW's theology" true. it's their OWN (CULT) just like the NWT)
do you defend with pride, their pathetic FALSE prophecies? (proven themselves a FAKE) "If you feel that anyone of them has immorally breaking you people down" who are the "you people" you are addressing? (be specific)
please, make sure that your reply is explicit...
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Heh, that's not a good way to talk about your doctrine, may I say this, you ONLY get your ideas from other men backed up by the sense you are a part of them and not of plain logic. When did you ever find a nation of JWs leaded to become a cult, do you know why JWs have exposed cults, it's because of there obvious unavoidable threats they've faced, if it makes you so angry they do not back down to such. Tell me, why are they cults?
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity AGAIN, you're saying less and have avoided my simple questions. (are you sober?)
in regard to your comment of "not of plain logic", it appears that you know logic. if my assumption is correct, i ask you: what is logic? / what's plain logic? / can logic be scientifically / mathematically proven?
if you fail to answer these simple questions, i 'll rest my comments.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Don't just tell me, oh they support a tyranny to force people into becoming one of them. Because on the JWs side it is a morally to not DO this, so on behalf of that, it gives me the privileged to ask you how you know this, when it's simple that if you are to be a cult, you are not even a JW. I'm sure I can point out cults, such as religious organizations being lead by there high priest in the immoral destruction of opposes, sadly to for you, JWs just..don't like this type of preaching
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
Respond to this video... i don't care what the jw's "support". i know for SURE that their core of theology is careened with pathetic FALSE prophecies.
u asked me "how you know this" simple. look up the word CULT.
ur comment of "sadly to for you," is twisted. for i'm not part of that context.
enough of the bla, bla, bla. if you fail to answer my qs about the jw's pathetic false prophecies, i will rest my comment with bye-bye.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray @afterray If you don't care what JWs, support, how ARE you sure there theology iis false, you think just because they don't rule the world's influence or anything like that there bad, listen here, Satan is the ruler of this world.
You want me to look up the word cult, okay..*2 minutes later* says followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices, I am LMAO!. you don't think the trinity wasn't something that just poped up in opposition to original Christianity?,
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity Your little belief with trinity WAS this so called cult or in other words exclusive idea..,in sense recklessly evident, some dude named Constantine decided to take rulership and formed a mold of Christianity and his own paganism = the 1st Roman Catholic church( the first to start the trinity ideas AKA exclusive). He even threatened people!!( to make it worse)..It was by military demand that later made it popular demand among various claimed population, NOW posing as the any old
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity you failed to understand the context of why i said: i don't care what jw's "support". you need to see ur own comment and connect the dots to my comment, then ull see my point. (common sense)
ur thoughts about the way u think about how i "think" about the jw's is twisted.
true, the concept about the trinity is spurious. BUT lets be realistic & not limited, the belief system of the jw is ALSO spurious and their FALSE prophecies are ridiculous. yet many still blindly fellow...
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray How is JWs twisted, when it's your doctrine that hold speechless to the full extent of what Jehovah's witnesses teach... just because JWs call your teachings twisted doesn't mean you go all there twisted, you accept your doctrine is misleading UNTIL, you can have honestly confirmed how it is wrong. It's better to prove something to say something...
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@afterray For one I don't fail to answer your question..you sound like you only feel I fail to answer you question because you hesitate to understand my answers..how immature, theres something called a dictionary.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity i'm sorry. you make no sense. (come again)
what's the difference between Charles taze Russel (founder of the jw movement) and the word delusion?
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Stop pretending, you type of kids think you can just walk around it by giving the I don't understand look, you think you can just say I don't make sense so people would avoid looking at the comments. And the difference between Charles and the world delusion, is this word delusion under the trinity is what he forbid. Come again you certainly do NOT mean about Charles don't think going all Charles Russel on me is going to confuse me and make me stop replying.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity actually, a "pretender" would be a person(s)(jws) that once heeded pathetic FALSE prophecies and when confronted with facts that are from WITHIN their OWN RESOURCES, they block their ears with more of the same CRAP that's being given to them by a WEAK committee that's against critical thinking. (a red flag)
did you know that CULT leaders / institutions forbid its SAD members to ask critical questions / read material that exposes (via scripture) their weak CONCEPTS?
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray And a lier is one who goes and calls a bible studier a prophet especially about someone knowing the end of the earth when the bible even says no man can know the end of this world, all he did was predict, is there anything wrong with that? you people take JWs prophesies and make it look like there dependence on there overall concept, and thus since predicts aren't right, you accuse them of there intention, which is some random idea of them trying to be prophets
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity i'm not sure if your question is sincere / you're being funny. when a guru/ priest / rabbi or an imam interprets scripture and starts to pin point events that are to occur, immediately the poor minded followers will heed. unfortunately, some will realize that their leader was wrong / protest, while others will continue to LICK the principles (under a different name: bible student to JW's) of that institution...
...YES, i know that this is wrong / stupid...
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Theres no way your going to assume a cult by a prediction based on the closely analysis of the bible, YOU HAVE misunderstood the meaning of cult man..and yes I know that cults do some unintelligent things, but why are you "randomly" accusing Jehovah's witnesses of such..If JWs are known to be what they say they be, then why would they even do something so dumb like that, so by this said, whenever had they done this. Well since it's against there etiquette...
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity if anyone out there would research (religious background) the history of charles taze russel, one will see how he defines a CULT. his pathetic interpretations of the bible is another reason why people (out-group) should be careful whenever they hear a knock on their door...
thanks for admitting "I know that cults do some unintelligent things" (like 1878 / 1914. these pathetic biblical FALSE ( yrs) connection that russell had his members swallowed, hurt their throats...
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray You think JWs have tried to change Christianity then your wrong, because your Christianity was dated in originally to the 4th century, so how is yours the original what after 400 years after Jesus's death, a "new" Christian doctrine had taken dominance, JWs formed there church over research and comparing new generation doctrine to the ancient texts and features, of course they never had just poofed out beliefs out of no where, why do you see as JWs standing against such Christendom
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity - And yet after their research, they claimed the Leviathan of the Bible was the steam locomotive, and that God resided in the Pleadeas star system...and the Jesus returned INVISIBLY in 1874....despite the Bible stating ALL would see him.
GungHo1032 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity first of all. i don's own (as u claim "your Christianity") that concept. on what bases is ur accusation? (is this the SAD russell effect of POOR / ridiculous judgment (s) ?)
as u calim : "JWs formed there church over research" ok. but that "research" has proven AGAIN / AGAIN / AGAIN and...that it's flawed.
as u claim: "ancient texts and features" hmm, are u talking about the theological
CONCEPTS of babylonian / canaanites or the sumerian IDEAS prior to the pentateuch?
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray I only used you to figuratively point out a fellow believer in your faith..and it's not poor, because you never considered the dang results Mr, you only consider something that hasn't even been claimed as a fact, you must really have a hard time making peace -_- if you jump to conclusions like that
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@afterray By the looks of it, whose the cult now. I would've had kept that subject untouched in consideration to your Christianity history. I'm not here to make anyone cry or look bad like most love doing, I only wish you'd taken into consideration of what JWs are contradicting, and whether or not your are pleasing yourself or god.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity not in ur DREAMS will u be able to make me "cry / look bad", for that's impossible to my consciousness of will.
it's not my intention to "please myself or god" as u WISH to think.
i'm a slow learner that likes to read and express my views to those that are self- righteous. (thinking they know scripture and are happily ready to show others that their belief system is false) i know a lot of people like that.(U)
as we exchange thoughts, the readers will see who's baloney...
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray I've seen what how far you people go as to make someone believe in something, it's not my wishes but to specify, your type of entertainment..
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity if you are in denial about the pathetic FALSE prophecies that Charles made, i pity you...
you have failed to understand that Charles was delusional by def-i-ni-tion. ur justification about Charles / trinity in relation to HIS DELUSION is low. (try again)
my objective is not to"confuse" u by showing that the founder of the jw movement was a FAKE fool that deceived many in the name of elohim. i could only lay down the facts. the final judgment is up to the readers...
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray First of all I've seen this stuff on a JW opposition video, and I've only accounted them of lies of half truth. Anyways, what prophesies are you talking about, in common sense, Charles never made any prophesies, just predictions, he never felt like they were ever to be absolutely accurate, thus is a prediction. This mix up has easily cause you guys to be cunningly mislead of what Jehovah's witnesses's have really been. For in his bible even says, no man can know the end of this world..
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity REMINDER: in essence, prophecy / prediction are the same. true, their motive is not.
if you think that he (russell) felt that his scriptural interpretations were not taken seriously or true, you are either being intentionally mislead (via watchtower material) to think so or you are very ignorant about his views of 1878 / 1914 AND their LINK. (dig deeper pal)
russell has caused permanent psychological / spiritual damage. i pity the innocent kids of that time...
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray You think just because Russel used the bible events to predict something, he made it a custom thus misleading people. This was a hypothesis for your information..so how is he misleading people by the reasoning of how this "predicting" came to be. All prophesies belong to the bible, and Russel's intention was out of sheer curiosity, not to add to it's doctrine.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity wow. the structure of ur comment reveals that u are REALLY ignorant about how russell misinterpreted (arrogance) verses (psa. 72:19; isa.6:3; hab. 2:14) that he BELIEVED / his FAITH / his TRUST in the NWT (not hypothesized as u wish readers to thk) were to be established in 1914.
unfortunately, when 1914 arrived, it happily showed russell and his thumb sucking bible students that it came and left. in case u forget, we are in 2010. (perhaps u could do the math)
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Didn't a bible character say no man can predict the end of time, my friend Russel never predicted the end of time, he specified Jesus's message of the last days of our existences on this earth lead by Satan. Maybe Russel said it, but it was only a chronological project of determination, this is clearly not a Jehovah witnesses religious view, but knowing 1914 was the genital times not the end of time, this was when Jesus toke rule my friend
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity AGAIN (last time). advice: can u clean the mega ton wax that's inside of ur ears, before reading out loud (1million times) my comment. (hopefully, u'll hear /understand the FACT(s))
russell's pathetic / misguided biblical interpretations lead him to BELIEVE / TRUST tht ALL of the govts were going to be replaced in 1914.
1914 is gone. it also has PROVEN tht 1878 was WISHFUL thinking. (another great score (among many) for mr. russell and his poor thumb suckers...)
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Ask your self this "Did Russel really claim the end of the world?? well listen up... Just as Jesus predicted, his “presence” as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of God’s heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of “the last days” of this present wicked system of things.—2 Timothy 3:1-5.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity AGAIN, u have demonstrated that u are REALLY ignorant. (perhaps it's the confused "spirit of truth" that's inside of ur brain)
russell made it very clear in his bk: (the time is at hand 1889) that based on the truth, (look up truth)by the end (look up end) of 1914, ALL of the governments (look up government) will cease and that the kingdom of jehovah will reign. (pathetic)
in case u forget, america's ideology is democracy, NOT russell SAD hopes / dreams and failure of....
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Well that's just his project, the other 99% toke it into consideration, and the results were genital times and Jesus's rule..
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@afterray Revelation 12:6, 14 indicates that three and a half times equal “a thousand two hundred and sixty days.” “Seven times” would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days. But the Gentile nations did not stop ‘trampling’ on God’s rulership a mere 2,520 days after Jerusalem’s fall. Evidently, then, this prophecy covers a much longer period of time. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, which speak of “a day for a year,” the “seven times” would cover 2,520 years.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity ha. who do u think u a fooling with such self proven mathematical FAILURE (s).
russell interpreted the above twisted calculations to prove to his poor minded bible students that 1914 was relevant. on the other hand, we must ignore 1878 (among other pathetic misinterpreted yrs. oh yah, there are many more of russells stupid FALSE yrs. u need to DIG DEEPER pal)
SIMPLE math: if the above biblical calculations are true, what's the difference btw 2010 & 1914? (get my point)
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Who do you think your foolin, using Russel's prediction since you can't prove JWs theological wrong in any other case..
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity lastly. i do not "fool" anyone. i only show fools that their thoughts are foolish. the reason why i haven't touched the bibles aspect (proving the jw wrong from their OWN NWT) of our exchange of thoughts, is because u have demonstrated ur denial (stubbornness) about the self-evident pity of russell's errors.
how do u expect me to elaborate about certain verse when u fail to see the REAL connection of 1878-1914?
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Yes you fool people, you got the idea 1914 wrong that's why it sounds like what you kids call "a fail", no there is no real connection, maybe because they are estimates...
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
Respond to this video
for the benefit of the readers, i will touch on the relationship btw 1878-1914 AND why u pretend that there's no connection.
russell made TONS of pathetic, self-deceiving claims that were based on biblical interpretations...
in 1878, the "invisible presence of Christ " was established. this force "guided / prepared" the bible students for 1914...long story sht, 1914 was a FAILURE and so was the FAKE "Christ presence" of 1878...DIG DEEPER and u'll see...
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray All you did was get the dates, and toss them into your own explanation..that's why it sounds like a failure..if you really want to know what it means, then you'd accept how I say it, which you won't because you only want to hear stuff in opposition. You don't understand the difference between earth and heaven do you?
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@afterray I suggest you grow up before following others without thinking..
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@afterray Are yo considering the beta of a small project, or the results. Don't be a bully and have honor or what others think, whereas you'll only find true understanding. In this case, Jehovah's are right about 1914, being genital
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@afterray Oh wow bringing up the subject of little kids, how immature :/, JWs are misleading, people are JUST misleading you about the Jehovah's witnesses, you would know better by really consulting a Jehovah's witnesses, many of what JWs say about false doctrine are really bringing up true ideas of there doctrine to the field of there contradiction, sadly most people really NEED to talk to JWs face to face, open there logic, and know who's better yourself or people who JUST TELL you what do to
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity as u claim: "people are JUST misleading you about the Jehovah's witnesses" YUP. and guess what? my materials are from ur OWN (watchtower)
i have spoken to many of elders "face to face" and the outcome is always the same: they FLEE like flies. why? because i have a brain that's flexible, enabling my conscious to ask critical questions (via the scriptures) and hoping for a REASONABLE answer..
i noticed that when the jw's see that i'm not a possible prospect, they FLEE like flies.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray They flee, oh wow, you know why they flee, maybe it's because your to much lied to or immature to take in anyone's wishes into consideration, it's all about yourself huh..
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity you're pathetic.
the reason why they FLEE like flies is because i challenge / confront the them with both: their OWN NWT and more importantly, COMMON SENSE.
for those reader that would like to see my point, i suggest YOU TUBE: Jehovah witness come knocking. by rationald. (hilarious but TRUE)
i will rest further comments, because RendezvousEntity's brain needs anti-freeze and i can't held him.
good luck with ur SAD 1878-1914 denial.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray Oh wow, there is no period between 1878 and 1914 that JWs call sacred, they were chronological estimates, 1914 is the only date referring to Christ's taking the throne by what the bible shows
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity OH, could you stop sending me personal e-mails. i want the readers to see and understand that there's a difference between paradigmatic imagination and REALITY. i think that that's fair.
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray False prophesies, whose making false or prophesies at all. It's clearly a predication, don't you even know where 1914 came from. The only alpha-less conclusion bond assumption made by a clergy or elder, was the pope, clearly with no particular science behind his "prediction" he was one who has tried to make tons of prophesies, and what do you take that for, how does he expect us to believe he used the keys of heaven for some ceremony, whereas no one could ever logically determine that.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity in essence, the meaning of a prophecy / prediction is the same. (dictionaries help)
1914 ha! a yr that many imbeciles (bible students, now known as JWs'. hmm, a transformation. every wonder why? if u have a brain, research the motive behind the CAUSE) heeded the FALSE, pathetic AND failed interpretation of russel's view of psa.2:9; rev. 2:27. his poor idea (BASED on scripture) was supposed to obliterated the pillars of america (democracy) and introduce another ideology..
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray RUSSELL has demonstrated to his members that all of his biblical analysis (jehovah this, jehovah that, bible this, scripture that, jesus presence this, jesus that ...) was FLAWED.
how can this belief system garner my respect when little children, then and now are being tricked into a belief system that has a record of FALSE teachings.
you have nerve belittling the trinity ( via personal e-m) and look the other way by defending russells pathetic, FALSE scriptural views...wake up!
afterray 1 year ago
@RendezvousEntity of course you FAILED to answer my questions, just like the failing pathetic FALSE prophecies that Charles Taze Russel made...
if your elders at the kingdom hall teaches not to ask / answer any challenging questions, i pity your FEAR of disfellowship...
if you "sense" hesitation in my comments about your poor thoughts, i see that the Charles taze Russell sickness of delusion is common among his members.
...don't get emotional, this is only a WAKE UP call...
afterray 1 year ago
@afterray I know how hard it can be to accept something in the face of denial. For that I'll only ask you take respect to Jesus's words, not an act towards church or even just because someone says something about Jesus, you just believe it and forget about what Jesus said then.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@afterray And, I'm not blind, because I am aware of the oppositions people make, correct them to as far as they take me, and leave them speechless forcing them to resort to only what they claim (Other words, what they can see otherwise, if you'd like)
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
@afterray Well, anyways about the JW's dog thing, I was honestly using an analogy, not another LITERAL title, then how immature is that, which is, not to be off topic, but (not to say you people again) but your people's habit of interpretation, there is only one reason following up why experienced JWs believe you can be mislead.. is because it WAS NOT, what Jesus taught, it doesn't matter what men come up with, if it's against Jesus's ideas. Then you have to rethink this regardless. Please do.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
man ..look at all these brain dead people..you'd think they would be smarter to know when they are being mis-led by secret societies like the Freemasons. did you notice 33 buildings? 33 is a very important number to the Freemasons. oh and did you guy's know..the founder of the j.w.'s ..Charles taze Russell was a 33rd degree Freemason and a Zionist..and did you know his wife's family was connected to satanist? NO..B/C YOU GUY'S LIKE BEING BRAINWASHED!!
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DOCSAFETUBE 1 year ago
They can't because it's against their religion. XD
cabe277 1 year ago
@cabe277 With strong beliefs it's hard to teach people someone whether truth or lie, if it is what you believe in, I won't hold you back. It is said by the "JWs" Jehovah(God) will save even the people who are mislead. Whether you seek truth or not, continue to be a good person, it is the least god will approve, hasn't he been read to forgive anyone's sins, why not if they are being mislead. The most I ask out of everyone is quit giving into what is generally bad, no matter what man may say.
RendezvousEntity 1 year ago
Wow.. you JW's are really fucked up and brain washed.... check this out if ur a REAL JW!!! youtube.com/watch?v=QaWwRhaHI6I maybe this will help you...oh wait you all call us earthly/worldly right??? so what fucking planet are you all from?? EARTH ??? hmmmmmm ur earthly fucks like us too...
chavezc23 1 year ago
@chavezc23 ignorent people whom worship satin express in this way!!
Danielislink 1 year ago
@Danielislink i assure i am not ignorant nor do i worship satin... I don't know one JW that is happy or has great family.... what kind of religion disowns their own blood??? you celebrate the Death of Jesus Christ and not his Birth?? You dont believe in the U.S. Military?? American Flag?? I see you fuckers go door to door in SoCal... why dont you fuckers go to the middle east and preach your bullshit!!! see how they treat you!!! very welcoming with an AK maybe....
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chavezc23 1 year ago
Did you notice how important detail is in the artwork. How do they let goats slip into the pictures?
PrintedTruth 1 year ago
@MeTaLoOoMARTYR LOL! I love it when Jehovah's people can shut up "the mouths of lions" (Hebrews 11:24). LOL! You go, MeTaLoOoMARTYR, et. al.
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
do you judge JeHoVaHs artwork inspired right off the press?
andyandyband 1 year ago
WATCHTOWER IS THE FALSE PROHET!!!! GET OUT OF HER WHY YOU CAN!!!!
Journeyride 1 year ago
@Journeyride You say that the Watchtower is the False Prophet - I will like to find out why do you say so and who is the correct prophet -
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00sheilagreasley100 1 year ago 2
Why don;t you try Ecclesiastes 9:5 where it talks about the living knowing that they will die and as for the dead they know nothing at all. It"s in your bible.
atravldude 1 year ago
@atravldude - Interesting how you only cited the part of Ecclesiastes 9:5 that supports Watchtower dogma. What do you believe about the rest of the verse - " Neither to they (the dead) have any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten". So that would rule out a future resurrection, right? That's in your Bible too. So if you would put restrictions on the meaning of that last part, then I will put restrictions on the meaning of the part you quoted.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr-Revelation 21: 3, 4-"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away" (NIV). 1 Corinthians 15: 26: "The last enemy to be destroyed is death" (NIV). That said, now do you understand why the "memory of them is forgotten"? No, the rest of Vs 5 does not rule out the resurrection; rather Vs 5 confirms it. All the pain of this world will be forgotten for those resurrected. Wonderful, u agree?
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
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cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@grapesfirst90 No prob,, cooper79jeffr; it is expected that people will have that same reaction you have when the Bible is used to substantiate some point. After all, Jesus used the scriptures whenever the Scribes and Pharisees challenged or questioned him; and they pretty much did the same thing - Accused him of PICKING. You're right; every religion does it. Difference is, I can back mine up with any Bible. Thank God for an open mind.
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
My dear little brother, who knows nothing but the Watchtower, went to Bethel, and spent two days working his tail off for the Watchtower, and he felt so honored...so moved that he was able to work for Jehovah, that he had tears. But they work their volunteer like machines...and they burn out. Free labor, obediant slaves, who only want to do all they can to serve the only true God; if only they knew Him!!
1955annemarie 1 year ago
REALITY. No church is perfect because ALL men are sinners and are being constantly deceived by the opposer of God who is far more clever than any human being! Jehovah's Witnesses go to the people to share the good news about God's coming Kingdom of peace on earth, which is what Jesus taught his followers to do. Luke 4:43 Matt 24:14 Acts 20:20; 5:42
So you have two organisations that are doing that, the Mormons and the JW's. Which one do YOU think is doing God's will??
GoodNewsforMankindDotcom
ReligionOrTruth 1 year ago
@ReligionOrTruth
Watchtower says Jesus was Michael === the Bible doesn't say that anywhere
Isaiah says Jesus is "Mighty God"===and the Watchtower say he is not
Watchtower confuses Modalism of Trinitarianism ===and they say they have the truth?
TheGloriaaDeus 1 year ago
@TheGloriaaDeus Archangel means 'chief angel' and it is never used in the plural form in the Bible. Look at the scriptures mentioning 'Archangels voice' 'God's trumpet' 'great Prince' Daniel 10:31; 12:1 & Jude verse 9. In 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Paul describes the resurrected Jesus, saying: "The Lord [Jesus] himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's trumpet." So Jesus Christ himself is here indentified as the archangel, or chief angel.
ReligionOrTruth 1 year ago
@ReligionOrTruth WELL SAID!
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
@ReligionOrTruth You know what else, ReligionOrTruth, many people discern the Prince of Peace, Emmanuel, Mighty God, Wonderful Counselor refers to Jesus Christ; yet the Bible does not say Jesus. The Chief Angel - The Firstborn f God - Is Jesus although the Bible doesn't say it. Isn't something how people try to find fault with everything Jehovah's Witnesses do? Agents of Satan.
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
@grapesfirst90 - It's amazing how the Watchtower Society finds fault with everything every religion and institution of mankind (outside of theirs) does. Then they expect people to just listen and obey them, as if they were God's mouthpiece to mankind.
Is your organization above an honest examination? After all, you tell people to examine their religion.
When you assign words like "Satanic" to anyone who disagrees with you, that colors your religion a cult.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr Jesus called the religious leaders of his time "Hypocrites" "White-washed graves" (Matthew 23: 27); "You belong to your father, the devil, ......the father of lies" (John 8:44). Would you say Jesus was wrong for calling it as he saw it? Did he expect people to agree with his teachings? "Yet, because I tell you the truth, you do not believe me" (John 8:45).
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
@grapesfirst90 - I wouldn't say Jesus was wrong for calling a spade a spade. However what right do imperfect humans have to do that? It just sounds like a bunch of squabbling.
However if the WT Society insists on dishing out harsh criticism, it should be able to take it graciously too. In most relationships it's a sign of major insecurity when you give out harsh criticism but cannot accept any correction yourself.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr Did not Jesus called 12 imperfect men? Curing the sick, raising the dead, restoring sight to the blind? Did not the "imperfect" Apostles perform the same works as Jesus did? What right do imperfect humans have to do that? Every right because Jesus gave them that right when he said: "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father" (John 14:12)
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
@grapesfirst90 - I implied Jesus as a perfect man had the right to call out judgment. So you went to John 14:12 - to prove that Jesus' followers will do what he had been doing. So do you raise the dead and heal the sick? I didn't think so. And I'm not arguing in favor of faith-healing. I'm making the point that imperfect humans cannot do what Jesus did, including calling out direct condemnatory judgment on those who differ from them.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr You seem to think the messages of doom conveyed by JWs are directly from them. With BIble in hand, they show people the judgments of Jehovah. "This is what Jehovah has said......" "Jesus said......." I didn't read anywhere in the NWT "And Brother Rutherford said....." "Brother Russell said....." These men are long gone - dead. So what is your point? You keep harping on them as if they wrote the Bible. Those men cannot save you or anybody; so you worship men? Is that it?
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr No JWs do not perform the perfect works our Savior; 1 Corinthians 13: 8 says: "Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away". Since u take things so literal, tell me: Why r u not doing what Jesus told u to do? You sure have a lot to complain about - dead people who can't defend themselves; people u just so happen to ....... judge? Now you judge the dead, do you?
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
@grapesfirst90 - You're playing the Watchtower card: painting former JW's as miserable complainers. As far as whether I judge dead past Watchtower leaders, I was merely pointing out that Rutherford's conversion of the Watchtower Society into a marketing machine wasn't scriptural. It's not like I called him a miserable boozing tyrant!!
You may not share my assessment, but wow if you saying I'm judging him you're being really touchy. The man's teachings are not above criticism.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr The appointed prophets of old dished out worse and harsher criticism of the political and religious system of ancient Jerusalem. Jeremiah spoke out boldly of the hypocrisy and the wickedness of idol worship going on; and look what happened to him: His own people he was commissioned to preach to put him in stocks. Isaiah was beheaded, so was John the Baptist - All, including the Minor prophets, were thrown in prison or killed for preaching an unpopular message.
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
@grapesfirst90 - Regarding your argument that Jehovah's Witnesses have the right to dish out criticism, you named several prophets of old who did so. So are you claiming that Jehovah's Witnesses are prophets? I didn't think so. If you don't have the "gift of prophesy" and don't claim to be prophets, then you cannot act as the prophets of old did. At most you can bring "good news". I don't know where you were commissioned to bring judgments and bad news.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr Again, the Bible brings the bad news - the destruction of this system of things, and the good news - Jehovah's Name vindicated once and for all; the very name corrupt religious leaders removed from the original scrolls. If u - again - literally think JWs act as prophets, u are mistaken. I referred to the prophets to point out Jehovah's history in sending forth imperfect men to declare his messages to a corrupt world. Now u are nickpicking......just like Satan the opposer.
grapesfirst90 1 year ago
@cooper79jeffr Going back further, Moses also preached an unpopular message to Pharoah "Afterward Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Let my people go, so that they may hold a festival to me in the desert.' " (Exodus 5:1). What was Pharoah's response? "Pharaoh said, "Who is the LORD, that I should obey him and let Israel go? I do not know the LORD and I will not let Israel go." We know the rest, don't we?
grapesfirst90 1 year ago