We all know they did steroids, not on purpose probably, doctors or trainers gave it to them in the food or just saying ''that's to keep you healthy during the season'' but you must admitt that even on hard work and steroids I (or all of you) wouldn't have been able to achieve all of that beacuse I have predispotion for other sports such as basketball, volleyball, handball.
Jarmila Kratochvílová was full of steriods and these top performances in the late 70's and on into the 80's were due to steriods. The athlete may or may not have known what they took but it was all part of the program. As a weigthlifter I can tell you that you can tell by so many indicators that Jarmila took steriods as well as Koch and many others during that time. It is a shame for today's athletes who are actually better runners but the drugs allow for total recover.
well... one more important thing.. so far it was written in the comments drugs helped to do that hard work.. (cause of faster regeneration of the muscles) but more importantly steroids result muscle- growth even if there s no training.. it would be a perfect drug without its side effects on the health.. so in my view this rate of steroid using is absolutely inmoral.. unfortunatelly T'n'F is,in fact, tainted.. most of the top sprinters use something.. but the ratethat matters..
It's quite an enigmatic situation. Why would the Czechs put only one athlete on some super doping programme? Why, as the country doesn't exist any more, and Kratochvilova doesn't make money from her achievements the way Western athletes do, doesn't she just admit to it? It's a shame she and Marita Koch don't speak English, because people in the west will just continue to assume the worst.
@brendel99 Are you serious. In the we west make those accusations because it takes one to know one. If I cheat then I become an expert and know it when I see it. However just because noone else was as strong as them doesn't mean they didn't use too. In baseball it's been said that the best athletes are those who were best before steroids because everyone has taken them. Face the east used first and then the west caught on and did too. Everyone's wrong.
>are people actually contending that Krato wasn't using steroids?!?
I think it is possible. How can we know for sure, you can't tell by looking at people or their performances. There have been more examples of photogenic women (Krabbe, Tiedke) who were definitely on the stuff.
@Mark5058 hmm.. and what if Krato is a hermaphrodite..? :) no artificial testosterone input.. only a naturally high rate of male hormones... it is also possible..
Hmm is this a new movie on robot women who run with no fatigue, turn on turbo boost and have muscles like men? Oh sorry this is 1980s east german and russian women lol
it's obvious that most of the greatest athlete in east europe between 70's and 80's were doped, but how about the USA? They have more doped athlete than every other country in history, and what about Florence Griffyth, the most doped athlete ever to run on a track field. She went from 11.20 to 10.49 in less than 2 years. After more than 20 years no athletes run less than 10.75. That's ridicoluos, every time when you say doping you say DDR and never USA.
I do not agree. Kratochvilova was natural talent. She worked so hard, that even Roman Sebrle was not able to use her training program. She had no husband, no children, only sport. Imagine to run 10.000 km/year as a training batch...
@Mimiandjoaniebaez - I do not agree. Kratochvilova was natural talent. She worked so hard, that even Roman Sebrle was not able to use her training program. She had no husband, no children, only sport. Imagine to run 10.000 km/year as a training batch...
@Mimiandjoaniebaez - I do not agree. Kratochvilova was natural talent. She worked so hard, that even Roman Sebrle was not able to use her training program. She had no husband, no children, only sport. Imagine to run 10.000 km/year as a training batch...
@kukunaros Well that's exactly the power of steroids: you can train a lot harder. I don't doubt for a second that she didn't work very hard, but she certainly couldn't have maintained that training program without the drugs. As centrum99 already said it before.
I love how then we had these cheats, but now the women's races have to deal with ACTUAL GUYS running in their races. I'm looking at you Semenya! With your fat nigger balls swaying ever so gently in the wind. Fucking nigger nazi cheaters.
Anyone who knows anything about eastern block athletics at this time knows they were on gear, the main difference between them and the likes if jlo jo, ben Jonson is that they didn't know back then what was being ladled into them.
LOL. I would have simply refused to run with her. It was sooo unfair to have her line up against ANY woman at this time (except, of course, Koch). It is a pleasure to watch her old vids. But she was clearly drugged up something awful.
That's just the twisted perception of an athlete running, sweating, and overall looking not-entirely-dignified. She looks like a perfectly normal middle-aged (or how is that called when you're fifty or so?) woman today - she's now coaching others and not training anymore, so quite a lof of her muscles would certainly pass your test of womanliness nowadays.
Both were cheaters. The 1980s were a disgrace for track and field. And not "almost all" American runners are dead, please, you can make your very valid point by using sensible and realistic arguments.
On the other hand ..what happened to Flo-Jo....? Dead and hush-hush cremated so as not to be post-humus examined...please.... keep yr comments for the american audience, they believe in such stuff, we dont.
Don't be ridiculous: Griffith, Jarmila, Koch, Göhr et al were ALL doped even if they were never caught. That post-mortem crap you write about Griffith is bullshit, the same bullshit as saying that Kratochvilova was not doped because she never failed a drug test in the 80s.
"On the other hand ..what happened to Flo-Jo....?"
I thought that Flo-Jo died due to asphyxiation in bed when she had an epileptic seizure during her sleep. A nasty way to die, but a drug-related one? Hmm... BTW, AFAIK, her husband wanted to have her body tested, but the doctors said that it couldn't be done.
Now it doesn't make any damn sense to have that woman (with enough drugs in her system to be a man) compete against any other females. She annihilated them and made them look like they were running backwards. It's almost comical to think of the drugs she so obviously ingested. What were others thinking at the time?
Yes, she's still alive, and guess what? She looks like a female now. She looks nothing like the manly individual you see here.
She was obviously juicing like everyone else back then. She was also a very late bloomer. The steroids didn't make her run faster, but they certainly enabled her to work out harder than she ever had before. The difference these drugs make is just incredible, trust me on that one. They make you feel like superman, but in the end, it's just bad news.
is she even still alive? i can't believe so many of u on here, even in jest, think it's hot Jarmila & all other drug cheats abused PEDs 2 perform this eye popping athletic feats? i haven't heard much on the Eastern Bloc track stars but their Olympic swimming gr8s have suffered immensely in their old age b/c of what amounted 2 being doped against their knowledge. At one point is athletic fame worth the thrill of living a long, fruitful (and healthy) life?
yes, she is alive and doing well at 58. i dont know what exactly you mean by "eastern bloc" but doping was widespread back then. think ben johnson or flo-jo.
how old r u? lol, just joking. "Eastern Bloc" is an old political term that refers to the communist nations of Eastern Europe predominantly from the 1960s-1980s. it's been well-documented nations like the old USSR, Czechoslovakia, GDR, Bulgaria, etc used there athletes 4 propaganda & exploited their Olympic athletes -- namely doping them against their knowledge. Drug cheats but human beings none the less. But thanks 4 the update!
Yes, the big difference being that in GDR the doping programs were state-sponsored, whereas the cases of Flo-Jo and others were individual decisions made by athletes who knew themselves they were cheating. Many Eastern Europeans did not know they were being distributed performance-enhancing drugs.
I just briefly perused the comments here - are people actually contending that Krato wasn't using steroids?!? Ahahahaha. She looked more freaking impressive in that relay than Ovett did in the 1977 World Cup 1500m! Of course she did hard work - so did Marion Jones, Ben Johnson, Carl Lewis, Justin Gatlin etc etc - hell, my best 800m was 1.46.19 and I did hard work - it's just if I used drugs my "hard work" would have been at a level that allowed me to run 1.43.5!!!
@smooveXXX I hear you brother. Lets keep it clean. Feel sad for the women running today. Are you in NZ now.. We are......my family are tthinking of moving there.
looked at her again...........she looks like very hard working well trained athlete.........she looks similar to martina navratilova.............and no one would ever accuse martina of being on drugs........if you havent been present there when supposedly she took drugs why dont you just keep quiet.........presumption of innocence its called
what an achievement.............she is such a wonderful person...........and if she was on drugs would she really be able to raise and coach 2 world champions in free czech republic? very doubtful.............some idiots just cant get over the fact that working hard pays off..........
The amount of drug users in that race is something to behold. Sad. Kratochvilova still makes money from her "Champion" name...but fact is she was drugged to the eyeballs. SHe also carried the Olympic torch recently...what a fcking JOKE!
Ppl need to understand that all the Eastern block women were victims of a Nationally organised doping programmes back then. I watched a TV show on the after effects of the doping on some of these women..one example is so horrible. A female athlete who was a shot putter for E Germany back then was so abused with steroids by the regime that she now exsists as a man..complete with receeding hairline and baldness. U would never know that (s)he was born a woman.
i dont know, but her record in the 800m still stands, watch the race on google video. and with all the controversy around half woman/half man Caster Semenya, it makes you a litte bit more sure that she had to pumping some testerone. at that WR 800 in Helsinki she was looking more masculine than Semenya. i dont know, but all these women do look a bit more man than your average women. then they are anything but average women.
It is possible without steroids, if you rork very heard. And Jarmila worked more harder than any others in the world. Have you ever seen a movie about her? I have. She had brutally training methods. She was running with metal disk of high weight.
It was revealed that Lewis tested positive three times before the 1988 Olympics for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine, banned stimulants and bronchiodilators also found in cold medication, and had been banned from the Seoul Olympics and from competition for six months.
It was revealed that Lewis tested positive three times before the 1988 Olympics for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine, banned stimulants and bronchiodilators also found in cold medication, and had been banned from the Seoul Olympics and from competition for six months.
Ha, probably by being the best there's ever been without giving a shit about the feelings of anyone who'd love to be flunky of Russia, Germany, the USA, France, Great Britain, or any other country with a more self-important notion of itself than the late great Czechoslovakia.
You all say, that they was drugged. They was...But no one of you can see the final effect of using steroids and other (no children, no feminity), in a time without a knowledge of future. They are just a victims of political and medicine system. But Jarmila is the best known with her ability to stand the hardest training methods ever (except Emil Zatopek) seen in history of athletics. I respect her.
She was 32 freaking years old when she set the 800 world record. Her and Koch and also the girl who set the 110m hurdles record all drugged like madmen.
marita koch record is even more unnattainable. They were on documented drug programs, and they couldn't test for it back then. They were way ahead of their time in terms of steroid knowledge and application. Koch, Flo Jo, Jim Kratch etc... Those records are tainted. the 400m will be around for ever until a female bolt comes around. Sanya Richards who ist he best is 1.5sec off that right now!
Despite all the sponsorship, technology, training advances etc etc- the womens 800m world record hasn't moved since Kratochvilova set it in 1983. 26 YEARS!!! She was either the greatest female athlete in history or a drugs cheat.
It's time to stop to call only east german and east europe athletes druggie. How about Marion Jones, Inger Miller, or Ben Johnson Tim Montgomery and Justin Gatlin? It's true that in east europe there was a doping system for the olympic athletes but usa olympic program was hitted by athletes disqualification in the same way or more. How about Florence Gryffith? She's never benn caught but 10.49 is an unrealistic time and she died at 39 by heart attack. Somebody here can say she was not doped?
yeah,but remember- Czechoslovakia was in the communist bloc,at that time every top-athlete took steroids... some people (athletes) confirmed it later (like 1980 olympic champion in weight-lifting Ota Zaremba or Remigius Machura - shot put),some not... (like Jarmila for example)...
Everyone did drugs in those days. These results are amazing indeed. And who cares about athletes' looks? It is results that are going to be remembered, like Jarmila's 400m race. Good ol' days :))
just rumors. Kratochvilova never took drugs. just because she looks muscular doesnt prove anything. i hate all those smart asses who generalize (e.g. all eastern bloc athletes take drugs) and never achieved anything in their life that even compares to what Kratochvilova did. go screw yourself. what will you be remembered for? stupid comments on youtube?
look man i ant gona waste my time on someone like you.She was obviously on drugs. It isnt a rumour its a FACT. People admited to it and she was included in documents found saying she was included in the drug using program. And yes because she looks muscular means a lot. Thats what steriods do to woman they give them characteristics f that of men. She is extremly muscular and looks like a man. I am yet to see any pro woman these days even look at all like her or her team mates in the 1980's.
Yeah, maybe a strange case but to tell the truth look at who talks of strange cases , cromosome tests and doping in sports , an american doctor , otherwise said the US king of doped cheaters, the country who doped even Carl Lewis to steal , like the have always done , their senseless robbed medals .
Carl Lewis was never doped with anabolic steroids. He used ephedrine in training not in competition. Many athletes has done that in athletics and they don't get suspended for it, only a warning. Ephedrine is part of asthma medicines and it doesn't build muscles. It is not considered a serious offense.
But I agree with you that other American athletes have cheated with roids. USA is really hypocritical when it comes to this. Just take a look at how NHL handles roids!
Jarmila Kratochvilova was alleged to be not really female in the mid 80s. An american doctor comented "this is not a normal physiological female body.Ive treated olimpic females athletes in 34 countries but ive neer seen a body like that". Despite medical misgivings Kratochvilova was subjected to chromosome test and she passed it. Cromosome tests wete introduced in 1966. The polish athlete Ewa klobukovska was the first to fail the test.She had two Xs chromosomes and one Y. A strange case...
I was there that day and I actually enjoyed Kratochvilova's performance as I had in Helsinki a week earlier. Was she on drugs ? Who knows for sure except her ? I personally don't think you can tell just by looking at her. In any case, performance-enhancing drugs wouldn't necessarily make a woman look like a man, there have been loads of positives by the most feminine-looking women Narozhilenko, Krabbe, Tiedke, Soboleva, Farmer-Patrick, Decker ... I could go on.
typically all the american posting comments seem to forget that their nation provides more positive dope tests than any other nation. you give your high school kids steroids so why be high and mighty and always criticise the eastern europeans. marion jones, flo jo , tim montgomerry , butch reynolds, dennis mitchell to name just a few. altanta 96 was a big cover up because so many US athletes returned positive sample but it had to be covered up for commercial and sponsorship reasons.
This was a dark period for ahtletics not just one or 2 ahtletes but a whole stack of them on "assistance" to be honest athletics has not recovered from this, eg : yestardays(16th August 08) 100m mens final?
I understand the question of suspected doping is a dark shadow hanging over the Kratochvílová's carrier and achievements. However, many of us Czechoslovakians remember media coverage of her training programme. It was simply terrific to see woman running with heavy objects (such as several vehicle's tires) roped around her female body. Well, even if their records was unfairly helped, they were still mostly result of the incredibly hard work of this woman with iron power of will.
I understand what you are saying. If she used drugs or not, she still had to work extremely hard to achieve her accomplishments. I don't doubt that she's pushed her body to limits that most women could only imagine. "Clean" or dirty, watching her run is STILL awe-inspiring.
You've got my point. And let us not forget : at that time (maybe even now) doping worked by pumping into the body a high level of testosterone-like hormones, improving muscle performance and growth. However, some women have abnormaly, but naturaly high levels of testosterone. That could (or not) have been the case of Jarmila Kratochvílová.
You do realize it's DRUGS that allowed her to put up with that "hard work" you so proudly write about, don't you' Besides, I wouldn't trust "media coverage" in 1984 Czechoslovakia, but maybe that's just me.
zim83: Had you been a little bit less determined to uproot any illegal communist pride you thought you discovered in my words, you would see the world is not blackwhite. What I wrote was that besides regrettable potential illegal drug usage (which was still not proven and which Jarmila continues to deny) there was a substantial "hard work" she put into her achievements.
BTW:
1, Being so ostentativelly democratic you should stick to the presumption of innocence as a basis of lawful society.
2, Yes there was quite a bit of propaganda in communist media in 80's, albeit much less than in 50's. Still, it's a bit pitiful to read your dismissal of anyhing published in 1984 Czechoslovakia.
3, Besides, there are still living personal witnesess of her training sessions, who speak of her with utmost admiration.
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God - dammit, she looked like a man, and had the speed of a male sprinter and the strength of a male athlete! Without a doubt, she was on male hormones and got away with it. But, its interesting to know that all these years that was what made them so powerful to watch and admire! Well, now we all know, that steroids are dangerous to the body. Its like whipping a tired horse to run faster and endure the pain!
She was running the last 400 on about 48.6 s with flying start. Actually far from her pb on the 400. Still, too good to be true?
vikingskipdotcom 3 months ago
We all know they did steroids, not on purpose probably, doctors or trainers gave it to them in the food or just saying ''that's to keep you healthy during the season'' but you must admitt that even on hard work and steroids I (or all of you) wouldn't have been able to achieve all of that beacuse I have predispotion for other sports such as basketball, volleyball, handball.
aswerdat 3 months ago
Krato was too he- male!!!
JorgeDan75 4 months ago
Drugs. Next...
Roksij 4 months ago
Jarmila Kratochvílová was full of steriods and these top performances in the late 70's and on into the 80's were due to steriods. The athlete may or may not have known what they took but it was all part of the program. As a weigthlifter I can tell you that you can tell by so many indicators that Jarmila took steriods as well as Koch and many others during that time. It is a shame for today's athletes who are actually better runners but the drugs allow for total recover.
dehart5 4 months ago
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schlagerhansi 5 months ago
well... one more important thing.. so far it was written in the comments drugs helped to do that hard work.. (cause of faster regeneration of the muscles) but more importantly steroids result muscle- growth even if there s no training.. it would be a perfect drug without its side effects on the health.. so in my view this rate of steroid using is absolutely inmoral.. unfortunatelly T'n'F is,in fact, tainted.. most of the top sprinters use something.. but the ratethat matters..
kovaxtromb 5 months ago
It's quite an enigmatic situation. Why would the Czechs put only one athlete on some super doping programme? Why, as the country doesn't exist any more, and Kratochvilova doesn't make money from her achievements the way Western athletes do, doesn't she just admit to it? It's a shame she and Marita Koch don't speak English, because people in the west will just continue to assume the worst.
brendel99 6 months ago
@brendel99 Are you serious. In the we west make those accusations because it takes one to know one. If I cheat then I become an expert and know it when I see it. However just because noone else was as strong as them doesn't mean they didn't use too. In baseball it's been said that the best athletes are those who were best before steroids because everyone has taken them. Face the east used first and then the west caught on and did too. Everyone's wrong.
vhickerson 4 months ago
One of the most amazing pieces of running ever; its pretty obvious that her resistance to tiredness was man-made. Still awesome to watch though;)
ralucagymnast 8 months ago
so much steroids, enough to break Superman's dick....
thunderthumbs83 10 months ago
>are people actually contending that Krato wasn't using steroids?!?
I think it is possible. How can we know for sure, you can't tell by looking at people or their performances. There have been more examples of photogenic women (Krabbe, Tiedke) who were definitely on the stuff.
Mark5058 1 year ago
@Mark5058 hmm.. and what if Krato is a hermaphrodite..? :) no artificial testosterone input.. only a naturally high rate of male hormones... it is also possible..
kovaxtromb 5 months ago
Jarmila Kratochvilova steroids women, no doubt aboutt tha
rakokako 1 year ago 3
Wonderwoman!
massimo11000 1 year ago
Hmm is this a new movie on robot women who run with no fatigue, turn on turbo boost and have muscles like men? Oh sorry this is 1980s east german and russian women lol
justnatural 1 year ago
Very good performance for the tchecoslovaquian girl Jarmila Kratochvilova !
BOOMSLANG85 1 year ago
she is a very inteligent woman ..i m not from chech republic , but from bulgaria and for me woman like kratochvilova is one of a milion
ekaterineabsinthe 1 year ago
awesome run. not only from kratochvilova but also from kocembova
diegoribasx 1 year ago
Seriously.... A man on steroids allowed to compete and worse still, have their records remain in the record books!
Aarontlondon 1 year ago
i think the givaway with the czech lass was the shaving rash on her jaw
mrralvintwerp 1 year ago
lol semenya coming up next
quickchaos2009 1 year ago
Women?
DrugPoznan 1 year ago
it's obvious that most of the greatest athlete in east europe between 70's and 80's were doped, but how about the USA? They have more doped athlete than every other country in history, and what about Florence Griffyth, the most doped athlete ever to run on a track field. She went from 11.20 to 10.49 in less than 2 years. After more than 20 years no athletes run less than 10.75. That's ridicoluos, every time when you say doping you say DDR and never USA.
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I do not agree. Kratochvilova was natural talent. She worked so hard, that even Roman Sebrle was not able to use her training program. She had no husband, no children, only sport. Imagine to run 10.000 km/year as a training batch...
kukunaros 1 year ago
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@Mimiandjoaniebaez - I do not agree. Kratochvilova was natural talent. She worked so hard, that even Roman Sebrle was not able to use her training program. She had no husband, no children, only sport. Imagine to run 10.000 km/year as a training batch...
kukunaros 1 year ago
@Mimiandjoaniebaez - I do not agree. Kratochvilova was natural talent. She worked so hard, that even Roman Sebrle was not able to use her training program. She had no husband, no children, only sport. Imagine to run 10.000 km/year as a training batch...
kukunaros 1 year ago
@kukunaros Well that's exactly the power of steroids: you can train a lot harder. I don't doubt for a second that she didn't work very hard, but she certainly couldn't have maintained that training program without the drugs. As centrum99 already said it before.
epaluoma 1 year ago 9
did somebody stick a rocket up her arse there.
idontsignin 1 year ago
I love how then we had these cheats, but now the women's races have to deal with ACTUAL GUYS running in their races. I'm looking at you Semenya! With your fat nigger balls swaying ever so gently in the wind. Fucking nigger nazi cheaters.
PrincessUnicorn69 1 year ago
under 48s for Kratochvilova!!!!!!!
matthiasprenzlau 1 year ago
She was probably on drugs, but she also had the most brutal training methods imaginable. I really doubt athletes nowadays go through the same regime.
CarboneCZ 1 year ago 3
Actually, drugs enable much higher training loads. So this way of reasoning is not just ingenious.
centrum99 1 year ago
she was called Jarmo" during the Helsnki games 1983. Jarmo is a usual Finnish male name.
poo72 1 year ago 4
Anyone who knows anything about eastern block athletics at this time knows they were on gear, the main difference between them and the likes if jlo jo, ben Jonson is that they didn't know back then what was being ladled into them.
petetheplasterer 2 years ago
you are pathetic. she is THE sportswomen . what do you expect? boobs and bikinis?
....nowadays shes all well training young athletes
obilicevvenac 2 years ago
They really need to take away 'IT'S' World Record in the 800M.
InsaneGoonRules 2 years ago 3
Dear jesus I would've shit my pants if that he-woman charged towards my position.
Zolio6 2 years ago
LOL. I would have simply refused to run with her. It was sooo unfair to have her line up against ANY woman at this time (except, of course, Koch). It is a pleasure to watch her old vids. But she was clearly drugged up something awful.
CHEETAH69 2 years ago 3
she looks just like a man
atlfine 2 years ago
That's just the twisted perception of an athlete running, sweating, and overall looking not-entirely-dignified. She looks like a perfectly normal middle-aged (or how is that called when you're fifty or so?) woman today - she's now coaching others and not training anymore, so quite a lof of her muscles would certainly pass your test of womanliness nowadays.
Tia1ko 1 year ago
I DONT THINK SOOOOO
atlfine 1 year ago
Your Caps Lock is broken, and you have a superfluous "sooooo" at the end of your sentence.
Tia1ko 1 year ago
no its not ......lol
atlfine 1 year ago
No, this is one of the best European athletes ever..and still alive and kicking and healthy...
how about the American runners of the 80s? almost all of them dead from anabolics....
well...
iaswnath 2 years ago
Both were cheaters. The 1980s were a disgrace for track and field. And not "almost all" American runners are dead, please, you can make your very valid point by using sensible and realistic arguments.
zim83 2 years ago
can u prove that Koch + Krato were dopped? No...
On the other hand ..what happened to Flo-Jo....? Dead and hush-hush cremated so as not to be post-humus examined...please.... keep yr comments for the american audience, they believe in such stuff, we dont.
iaswnath 2 years ago
Don't be ridiculous: Griffith, Jarmila, Koch, Göhr et al were ALL doped even if they were never caught. That post-mortem crap you write about Griffith is bullshit, the same bullshit as saying that Kratochvilova was not doped because she never failed a drug test in the 80s.
zim83 2 years ago
@iaswnath Agree with you in this stuff my friend. No one can prove that Kratochilova nor Koch ever did drugs!!!
CubanColonel 2 years ago
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"On the other hand ..what happened to Flo-Jo....?"
I thought that Flo-Jo died due to asphyxiation in bed when she had an epileptic seizure during her sleep. A nasty way to die, but a drug-related one? Hmm... BTW, AFAIK, her husband wanted to have her body tested, but the doctors said that it couldn't be done.
Tia1ko 1 year ago
LOL , Is this a Commercial for Doping ??
404Orion 2 years ago 2
I thought you said that we cant tell if someone is one drugs by how they look "Carmelita Jeter" sound familar.
Cam9414 2 years ago
Now it doesn't make any damn sense to have that woman (with enough drugs in her system to be a man) compete against any other females. She annihilated them and made them look like they were running backwards. It's almost comical to think of the drugs she so obviously ingested. What were others thinking at the time?
CHEETAH69 2 years ago
steroids at that time, genetic doping nowadays
andreiwindstorm 2 years ago
Yes, she's still alive, and guess what? She looks like a female now. She looks nothing like the manly individual you see here.
She was obviously juicing like everyone else back then. She was also a very late bloomer. The steroids didn't make her run faster, but they certainly enabled her to work out harder than she ever had before. The difference these drugs make is just incredible, trust me on that one. They make you feel like superman, but in the end, it's just bad news.
JBLACK12 2 years ago
Still - one hell of a run ...
eugenius101 2 years ago
is she even still alive? i can't believe so many of u on here, even in jest, think it's hot Jarmila & all other drug cheats abused PEDs 2 perform this eye popping athletic feats? i haven't heard much on the Eastern Bloc track stars but their Olympic swimming gr8s have suffered immensely in their old age b/c of what amounted 2 being doped against their knowledge. At one point is athletic fame worth the thrill of living a long, fruitful (and healthy) life?
htownhomie06 2 years ago 2
yes, she is alive and doing well at 58. i dont know what exactly you mean by "eastern bloc" but doping was widespread back then. think ben johnson or flo-jo.
vecernicek2 2 years ago 2
how old r u? lol, just joking. "Eastern Bloc" is an old political term that refers to the communist nations of Eastern Europe predominantly from the 1960s-1980s. it's been well-documented nations like the old USSR, Czechoslovakia, GDR, Bulgaria, etc used there athletes 4 propaganda & exploited their Olympic athletes -- namely doping them against their knowledge. Drug cheats but human beings none the less. But thanks 4 the update!
htownhomie06 2 years ago 3
Yes, the big difference being that in GDR the doping programs were state-sponsored, whereas the cases of Flo-Jo and others were individual decisions made by athletes who knew themselves they were cheating. Many Eastern Europeans did not know they were being distributed performance-enhancing drugs.
zim83 2 years ago
I just briefly perused the comments here - are people actually contending that Krato wasn't using steroids?!? Ahahahaha. She looked more freaking impressive in that relay than Ovett did in the 1977 World Cup 1500m! Of course she did hard work - so did Marion Jones, Ben Johnson, Carl Lewis, Justin Gatlin etc etc - hell, my best 800m was 1.46.19 and I did hard work - it's just if I used drugs my "hard work" would have been at a level that allowed me to run 1.43.5!!!
smooveXXX 2 years ago 16
@smooveXXX I hear you brother. Lets keep it clean. Feel sad for the women running today. Are you in NZ now.. We are......my family are tthinking of moving there.
newromantic888 1 year ago
@smooveXXX is you a girl or a man?
rakokako 1 year ago
looked at her again...........she looks like very hard working well trained athlete.........she looks similar to martina navratilova.............and no one would ever accuse martina of being on drugs........if you havent been present there when supposedly she took drugs why dont you just keep quiet.........presumption of innocence its called
janab71 2 years ago
what an achievement.............she is such a wonderful person...........and if she was on drugs would she really be able to raise and coach 2 world champions in free czech republic? very doubtful.............some idiots just cant get over the fact that working hard pays off..........
janab71 2 years ago
now that is a man in a man's body
just wow
bluewhale18 2 years ago 2
Blasted Cheater. The media want to hit on Caster Semenya but they don't look at Jarmila who clearly looks like a man.
Spidapalooza 2 years ago
The amount of drug users in that race is something to behold. Sad. Kratochvilova still makes money from her "Champion" name...but fact is she was drugged to the eyeballs. SHe also carried the Olympic torch recently...what a fcking JOKE!
Iwantvoids 2 years ago
Have you any voucher? No? So shut up you fucking idiot!!!
vojLamb 2 years ago
You call ME an idiot yet think she was clean??? Ignorance is bliss, meh, fck that, ignorance is pathetic.
Iwantvoids 2 years ago
Ppl need to understand that all the Eastern block women were victims of a Nationally organised doping programmes back then. I watched a TV show on the after effects of the doping on some of these women..one example is so horrible. A female athlete who was a shot putter for E Germany back then was so abused with steroids by the regime that she now exsists as a man..complete with receeding hairline and baldness. U would never know that (s)he was born a woman.
kelikel2 2 years ago 3
thats is not possible whitout steriods?!
Fagerlund88 2 years ago
i dont know, but her record in the 800m still stands, watch the race on google video. and with all the controversy around half woman/half man Caster Semenya, it makes you a litte bit more sure that she had to pumping some testerone. at that WR 800 in Helsinki she was looking more masculine than Semenya. i dont know, but all these women do look a bit more man than your average women. then they are anything but average women.
kr7437a 2 years ago 2
It is possible without steroids, if you rork very heard. And Jarmila worked more harder than any others in the world. Have you ever seen a movie about her? I have. She had brutally training methods. She was running with metal disk of high weight.
vojLamb 2 years ago 3
I'd love to see a movie about Jarmila. She's my favouritest athlete ever. Did she ever find romance?
algoyo 2 years ago
It was revealed that Lewis tested positive three times before the 1988 Olympics for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine, banned stimulants and bronchiodilators also found in cold medication, and had been banned from the Seoul Olympics and from competition for six months.
SDS3AAPH 2 years ago
Hard doping was usual habit back then
in the East block: just hope she is in good health though.
indigoblue555 2 years ago
such a doper...but why only at age of 32 hmm
nossditto 2 years ago
if this man can win medals at female events, i want that too. :-)
bedsitter1982 2 years ago
butchest female track athlete this side o the milky way
cocteauireland 2 years ago
Geezer!
gracko14 2 years ago
Czechs athletes are best..!!
Jarmila Kratochvilova, WR 1:53.28 - 800 m
Jan Zelezny, WR 98,48m - Javelin throw
Roman Šebrle, WR 9026 - Decathlon
Barbora Špotáková, WR 72.28m - Javelin throw
PadouchHr 2 years ago 3
Then how come the Czech republic is crap in every sport today? Communist disgrace of the 1980s gave them their medals.
Lasermannen 2 years ago
Ahem, save for Kratochvilova, the rest of athletes are post-1980s, with Sebrle and Spotakova (2008 Olympic champion) active nowadays.
zim83 2 years ago
LOL, the most obvious drugrace of all time. Period.
VisionOfTJ 2 years ago
yes, he was great... but he was running against women
stigmata77 2 years ago
ITS A MAN
Treneskikkelig 2 years ago
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Is she dead? If not I hope she dies in a slow and very painful way. I hate eastern Europe!
Lasermannen 2 years ago
She is not dead and in fact she is now doing very well and living a heathy life by training new amazing Czech athletes. In your face scum :D
Machtann 2 years ago 3
Wouldn't wish her dead, but fuck she was one mother fucker of a cheat!
gracko14 2 years ago
You mean like Carl Lewis?
pivakB 2 years ago
Nothing at all like Carl Lewis.
gracko14 2 years ago
Probably more hung than Carl.
PongGod 2 years ago
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It was revealed that Lewis tested positive three times before the 1988 Olympics for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine, banned stimulants and bronchiodilators also found in cold medication, and had been banned from the Seoul Olympics and from competition for six months.
SDS3AAPH 2 years ago
How exactly was she cheating?
Tia1ko 2 years ago
Ha, probably by being the best there's ever been without giving a shit about the feelings of anyone who'd love to be flunky of Russia, Germany, the USA, France, Great Britain, or any other country with a more self-important notion of itself than the late great Czechoslovakia.
daveyork0 2 years ago
We hate you too :)
HreinnMagnusson 2 years ago
hahaha USA... all world hate you
ejdy8 2 years ago
You all say, that they was drugged. They was...But no one of you can see the final effect of using steroids and other (no children, no feminity), in a time without a knowledge of future. They are just a victims of political and medicine system. But Jarmila is the best known with her ability to stand the hardest training methods ever (except Emil Zatopek) seen in history of athletics. I respect her.
mikybul 2 years ago 2
She was 32 freaking years old when she set the 800 world record. Her and Koch and also the girl who set the 110m hurdles record all drugged like madmen.
StewNWT 2 years ago
Ha ha You fucking pig from pub, You know nothing about running. Go drink and stop chat.
WaldomiroPA 2 years ago
sure buddy I'm a university track athlete, get back to the pub yourself
StewNWT 2 years ago
SORRY YOU ARE STUPID, I AFRAID
WaldomiroPA 2 years ago
"she" was a man
xismxist 2 years ago
You are really STUPID
WaldomiroPA 2 years ago
jarmila je nejlepšííí ..
Cheeeca 2 years ago 3
That "girl" was clearly on drugs.
RecoveredLib 2 years ago 7
marita koch record is even more unnattainable. They were on documented drug programs, and they couldn't test for it back then. They were way ahead of their time in terms of steroid knowledge and application. Koch, Flo Jo, Jim Kratch etc... Those records are tainted. the 400m will be around for ever until a female bolt comes around. Sanya Richards who ist he best is 1.5sec off that right now!
jonesy77777 2 years ago
Despite all the sponsorship, technology, training advances etc etc- the womens 800m world record hasn't moved since Kratochvilova set it in 1983. 26 YEARS!!! She was either the greatest female athlete in history or a drugs cheat.
tigerboy1966 2 years ago 4
or both?
ohedd 2 years ago
i clearly saw a bulge in her shorts !!!
use2slam2 2 years ago 4
that man looking chick was clearly doping, she did whats nearly immpossible for a human being.
genron187 2 years ago
It's time to stop to call only east german and east europe athletes druggie. How about Marion Jones, Inger Miller, or Ben Johnson Tim Montgomery and Justin Gatlin? It's true that in east europe there was a doping system for the olympic athletes but usa olympic program was hitted by athletes disqualification in the same way or more. How about Florence Gryffith? She's never benn caught but 10.49 is an unrealistic time and she died at 39 by heart attack. Somebody here can say she was not doped?
turboreattore 2 years ago 10
you are absolutely right!! I think they should cancel all the old records from Joyner, kratochvilova, martina koch and many other athlets!
TheBloodyBeginners 2 years ago 10
@TheBloodyBeginners also by florence griiffyth, the most doped athlete ever
turboreattore 1 year ago
@turboreattore Do you Think Florence Griffith and Joyner (Florence Griffith) are two different Athlets :D
TheBloodyBeginners 11 months ago
another druggie who looked like a man!
silverfoxboy 2 years ago
yeah,but remember- Czechoslovakia was in the communist bloc,at that time every top-athlete took steroids... some people (athletes) confirmed it later (like 1980 olympic champion in weight-lifting Ota Zaremba or Remigius Machura - shot put),some not... (like Jarmila for example)...
elRABcz 2 years ago
D FOR DRUGGY
racketer 2 years ago 2
Everyone did drugs in those days. These results are amazing indeed. And who cares about athletes' looks? It is results that are going to be remembered, like Jarmila's 400m race. Good ol' days :))
gorazde 2 years ago
they will only be remebered for the fact that the athletes were cheating using drugs which were illegal
racketer 2 years ago
just rumors. Kratochvilova never took drugs. just because she looks muscular doesnt prove anything. i hate all those smart asses who generalize (e.g. all eastern bloc athletes take drugs) and never achieved anything in their life that even compares to what Kratochvilova did. go screw yourself. what will you be remembered for? stupid comments on youtube?
vjanik 2 years ago
look man i ant gona waste my time on someone like you.She was obviously on drugs. It isnt a rumour its a FACT. People admited to it and she was included in documents found saying she was included in the drug using program. And yes because she looks muscular means a lot. Thats what steriods do to woman they give them characteristics f that of men. She is extremly muscular and looks like a man. I am yet to see any pro woman these days even look at all like her or her team mates in the 1980's.
racketer 2 years ago 2
Yeah, maybe a strange case but to tell the truth look at who talks of strange cases , cromosome tests and doping in sports , an american doctor , otherwise said the US king of doped cheaters, the country who doped even Carl Lewis to steal , like the have always done , their senseless robbed medals .
USA = CHEATERS
Trulyloyale 2 years ago
Carl Lewis was never doped with anabolic steroids. He used ephedrine in training not in competition. Many athletes has done that in athletics and they don't get suspended for it, only a warning. Ephedrine is part of asthma medicines and it doesn't build muscles. It is not considered a serious offense.
But I agree with you that other American athletes have cheated with roids. USA is really hypocritical when it comes to this. Just take a look at how NHL handles roids!
MrModulator 2 years ago
Jarmila Kratochvilova was alleged to be not really female in the mid 80s. An american doctor comented "this is not a normal physiological female body.Ive treated olimpic females athletes in 34 countries but ive neer seen a body like that". Despite medical misgivings Kratochvilova was subjected to chromosome test and she passed it. Cromosome tests wete introduced in 1966. The polish athlete Ewa klobukovska was the first to fail the test.She had two Xs chromosomes and one Y. A strange case...
gorhman 2 years ago
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that shit is fucked up
fmk3141 2 years ago
she looked like a dude straight up. just pure observation.
twannifufu 2 years ago
she is a he
FoerbHimself 2 years ago
I was there that day and I actually enjoyed Kratochvilova's performance as I had in Helsinki a week earlier. Was she on drugs ? Who knows for sure except her ? I personally don't think you can tell just by looking at her. In any case, performance-enhancing drugs wouldn't necessarily make a woman look like a man, there have been loads of positives by the most feminine-looking women Narozhilenko, Krabbe, Tiedke, Soboleva, Farmer-Patrick, Decker ... I could go on.
Mark5058 2 years ago
Well done, Mr. Kratochvil!
elwirdjangala 2 years ago
since when men are allowed to start at at women race?
bedsitter1982 2 years ago
typically all the american posting comments seem to forget that their nation provides more positive dope tests than any other nation. you give your high school kids steroids so why be high and mighty and always criticise the eastern europeans. marion jones, flo jo , tim montgomerry , butch reynolds, dennis mitchell to name just a few. altanta 96 was a big cover up because so many US athletes returned positive sample but it had to be covered up for commercial and sponsorship reasons.
greggles1902 2 years ago 13
Good times when there was CCCP, DDR and Czhecslovaky or what the hell its writen ;)
SetaSiittio 2 years ago
brutal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
matthiasprenzlau 3 years ago
when i saw this for the first time in 83 I was twenty and thought it was the most impressive peice of running I had ever seen...
Today I'm just hoping the steroids didn't kill her.
My memories seem to have been sold.....
realpirate 3 years ago
dopedopedope
FoerbHimself 3 years ago
Kratochvilova man or woman u tell me
cabsta136 3 years ago 4
48.4 split, psh, that was a walk in the park for her. She was probably thinking about what she was going to have for dinner
phaethon1988 3 years ago
oh boy, she really ate up the ground by more than 15mts.
vvnrichards 3 years ago
Haha! Thats a man!!
jimbojimjimbo 3 years ago
these are the people who have brought athletics into disrepute
Icecoldhard 3 years ago
This was a dark period for ahtletics not just one or 2 ahtletes but a whole stack of them on "assistance" to be honest athletics has not recovered from this, eg : yestardays(16th August 08) 100m mens final?
WELLBRAN 3 years ago
its turning into a dark period again in athletics with the greeks. something like 14 of their athletes have failed drugs test.
AB5309 3 years ago
The juicer's juicer.
luciendelapeste 3 years ago
I remember seeing Jarmila handing out medals at the olympics in 2000 and she looked slim and very small in comparison to her physique here.
Quite simply the best female runner of her generation.
markdelaney 3 years ago
Jarmila=Shemale!!!
snallakillen 3 years ago 3
I've seen how she trained, was it remarkable.
czech068 3 years ago 5
BTW, she had a 47.9 split on the last leg... The Russian had 49.6
McKottfars 3 years ago
she da man!
yurizik 3 years ago 2
I got her split at 48.5. Even her name sounds manly!
sculptor1965 3 years ago
I explain it: In Czech rep. we have end-piece for woman in surname. Kratochvíl is for male and Kratochvílová is female.
lehalel 3 years ago
THAT is a man running the race.
wadge5 3 years ago
it is not possible.. DOPING!
javiolo20 3 years ago
I understand the question of suspected doping is a dark shadow hanging over the Kratochvílová's carrier and achievements. However, many of us Czechoslovakians remember media coverage of her training programme. It was simply terrific to see woman running with heavy objects (such as several vehicle's tires) roped around her female body. Well, even if their records was unfairly helped, they were still mostly result of the incredibly hard work of this woman with iron power of will.
Rachotilko 3 years ago
oh get real, how can someone who has rarely raced an 800m, run and set a world record without drugs!
wadge5 3 years ago
I understand what you are saying. If she used drugs or not, she still had to work extremely hard to achieve her accomplishments. I don't doubt that she's pushed her body to limits that most women could only imagine. "Clean" or dirty, watching her run is STILL awe-inspiring.
CHEETAH69 3 years ago
You've got my point. And let us not forget : at that time (maybe even now) doping worked by pumping into the body a high level of testosterone-like hormones, improving muscle performance and growth. However, some women have abnormaly, but naturaly high levels of testosterone. That could (or not) have been the case of Jarmila Kratochvílová.
Rachotilko 3 years ago
The tyres were only a smoke screen to make it convincing?
WELLBRAN 3 years ago
You do realize it's DRUGS that allowed her to put up with that "hard work" you so proudly write about, don't you' Besides, I wouldn't trust "media coverage" in 1984 Czechoslovakia, but maybe that's just me.
zim83 2 years ago 3
zim83: Had you been a little bit less determined to uproot any illegal communist pride you thought you discovered in my words, you would see the world is not blackwhite. What I wrote was that besides regrettable potential illegal drug usage (which was still not proven and which Jarmila continues to deny) there was a substantial "hard work" she put into her achievements.
BTW:
1, Being so ostentativelly democratic you should stick to the presumption of innocence as a basis of lawful society.
Rachotilko 2 years ago
Cont:
2, Yes there was quite a bit of propaganda in communist media in 80's, albeit much less than in 50's. Still, it's a bit pitiful to read your dismissal of anyhing published in 1984 Czechoslovakia.
3, Besides, there are still living personal witnesess of her training sessions, who speak of her with utmost admiration.
Rachotilko 2 years ago
She was OBVIOUSLY on drugs. It's amazing to see her strenght and power, though, isn't it?
SerchWagnerianBear 3 years ago
O clearly on drugs and I hope she rots in hell for deneing clean athletes the chance of medals.
jasetheaceukuk 3 years ago
stop talking shit we all know she used steroids just like all the others who have a record in track history.
miamidlg 3 years ago
she´s awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
keravankauhu 3 years ago
kratochvilova was without a doubt one of the greatest female athletes ever ans was clean unlike her east german nemesis marita koch
anastasi69 3 years ago
female? are you sure?
Phistra 3 years ago
drugs of course
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hisyam81 3 years ago
she's a friggin man. what did you expect?
linababe01 3 years ago 2
God - dammit, she looked like a man, and had the speed of a male sprinter and the strength of a male athlete! Without a doubt, she was on male hormones and got away with it. But, its interesting to know that all these years that was what made them so powerful to watch and admire! Well, now we all know, that steroids are dangerous to the body. Its like whipping a tired horse to run faster and endure the pain!
yellowbird38tc 3 years ago 4
Even her vest has "D" on. Is that for Doper, or maybe Dangerous Dave.
RabCGiblet 3 years ago 2
Desperate Dan?
WELLBRAN 3 years ago
O.K. at 3.05 something is swinging, but apart from that shes clean.
And im a Dutchman.
RabCGiblet 3 years ago
Kratochvilova never dropped the baton, but I'm sure she dropped her cock ring on the final change over!
ozinmanc 3 years ago
SHOCK & AWE!!!
keravankauhu 3 years ago