Gardner is a filthy pig just like the children's services workers at the Alberta Response Model teams. First they used attacks such as recovered memory syndrome to attack children by preventing discredit grandparents from testifying as to the actions of a person as witnesses. Then they began to use PAS to prevent children from being protected by parents. Attacks are used by both civil litigation lawyers and by child abusers or bad parents to secure CUSTODY or property by hostage taking.
This video is a incredible piece of misinformation. To deny PAS Should be a crime. It's plain simple: PAS is Child Abuse And Domestic Violence. It is hard to believe that any sensible woman will deny it. Only people with a sick mind can stand by and take this without asking: is this the way some women defend their children? Criminals!
@leonelauxiliar PAS is used to discredit victims and children who tell. When Mommy runs away with a daughter or son who has told about abuse the father attacks her. We have men here who force their sons to put up with rapes by priests, ministers, nuns, social workers or coaches without telling. They blame their own son & help others attack him. They're embarrassed & put him away. Mothers believe the children, protect them, fathers aren't even there. Many are in PAS to get property or ownership.
@AnneFox7 You seem to be suffering from some kind of alienation yourself. PAS is recognized all over the world by many governments and specialists and, in fact, there are some countries that have criminalized it and put alienating parents where they belong: in jail.
The fact that you and those alike do not understand what is behind this serious social problem, only shows that laws must be passed to prevent people like you to come close to children. PAS is child abuse, whether you like it or not.
@AnneFox7 And if in fact, there are some abusing parents that use PAS for the wrong reasons, just as there are some who abuse freedom and human rights to keep committing crimes. That does not mean that we should not recognize those rights.
@leonelauxiliar PAS 'syndrome"not a recognition of rights NEVER denied it is a plain LIE. Men who alienate their children like Alec Baldwin did use this to get at them. Be clear. I see men dragging their children from one place to another bedraggled miserable suffering for their father's sake. Role reversal by greedy disgusting 2nd wives & men. Children looking after DADDY being used by him. Men do this because they don't care about their children NOT because they do care.
@leonelauxiliar Abusing freedom and human rights to commit crimes? You do not differentiate between freedom and license. Crimes are very often an abuse of civil rights not the other way around. Fraud & hoaxes are crimes. Civil rights are all that maintain our humanity. Many restrict civil rights of others to create a POLICE STATE political oppression as an agenda to role back human rights and advancement. Expression of men's rights aren't in danger. Be SERFS or VOTE.CHOOSE 1.
@leonelauxiliar "Specialists" make a tonne of money selling crap. All over the western world men are alienated from their children when they abandon &refuse them contact. Men think they OWN children like dogs. Select not to see their children or deny them. I'll bet you belong to 2nd & 3rd wives trying to GET a man who gets the ex he still wants to hurt, by hurting or emotionally & psychologically abusing her children. STEPs MURDER & sexually abuse more children.
@AnneFox7 Who is the abuser? I am a hard working man and she never worked a single day in her life because I was paying the bills. Then she wanted to keep on living from the welfare system and that is the reason why she wanted the children with her. Well, now it is over! I have never referred to her as a bad mother to my children. And even then, none of them wants to go back and live with her although I make sure that they never disrespect their mother. She is the abuser! And you defend this?
@leonelauxiliar Often when a mother leaves she has to have some time to re-establish herself. He husband owns everything she has worked on for the last years of the children's lives and he sees no value in her anymore. The danger times are when the child starts preschool school or kindergarten and he has no idea how much work that their care has been. She always was considered useless to him. Child care isn't so easy is it? I bet you blame your kids and call them needy.
@AnneFox7 You try to draw me into your sick pledge do deny PAS saying that I am this or that kind of wife.... I am a man. And I have three children who have been denied the right to see and be with their father by a mother that wants me back and has realized that it will NEVER happen. The court has given me custody based on the fact that the mother would leave the children alone at home to go and do whatever she does, and because she is a drug addict too. They spend days without eating. Abuse?
@leonelauxiliar Women are forced to run from a gov't of the western world involved in attempting to turn back the clock to primo geniture and ownership of children and women like chattel. I'll see about this garbage LEGAL backlash against women who divorce men who are bad husbands bad fathers bad providers bad protectors and DISLOYAL + ONLY get interested in children when the woman they OWN escapes. In Canada Caucasian women got the vote in 1929. Your slave mentality is SHOWING.
@AnneFox7 Please don't bother to give me any more of your fascist crap, for I don't have the time for it: I have to work to provide my children with food and clothing since their mother won't help at all. And right now I should be helping my daughter with her home work instead of wasting my time getting into this helpless discussion. At least with the likes of you! Calm down and try to sort your rage out. It will make you a bitter and unbearable person. If you aren't already!
@leonelauxiliar Get real. I'm not some little flower you can shut down by talking about rage. Right thinking people who will see through this callow twitter. Getting at kids by saying I'm calm and my VICTIM is not are very common among guys who abuse. Your cool demeanor and lack of passion make your argument?Cover ups & sudden return to Mr.Nice guy is a trait of CONTROL FREAKS. I'd bet your ex could never have guessed. SHE was enthralled, I'm not. I see right through you.
@AnneFox7 We all can see here who is the one in rage! I bet you are covering up for some big time crap you've made in your life or you wouldn't be so mad about all this, and pitch your opinion on such a tendentious fashion. It all shows the caliber of your being. YOU are a joke and even if I do not agree with the video, I can very well see that your kind of behavior does not help your cause at all. You are a hopeless case in this discussion. So: get lost! I will not answer your comments anymore!
@leonelauxiliar See my channel comments for an answer to the remark you made.My comments speak to the reality of this situation. Men who have been oppressing their mates move to oppress another generation. They make their children do without to serve them, their stunted emotional needs. I pray that she be free of the degradation of girls & women forwarded in this point of view. I hope she'll be all she could have been.I have no sympathy for men who pretend they can DO IT ALL.
@AnneFox7 You seem to be a very frustrated woman hurt by some man that did not comply with the kind of mentality you are showing here. Preposterous, violent, aggressive, selfish and probably brutal with the children. You look like the 1st wife, neglected by a husband that simply did not take that kind of crap from you and whom you are now trying to hurt with this radical kind of logic. Equal rights is not defending sides like you are doing.
@leonelauxiliar You bet it is. Equal rights is defending hard won rights which did not exist not so long ago. Backlash attacks by men who still want to own their children like dogs is a part of defending CHILDREN and their rights. They can't do this themselves. Gee!?! BIG WAH!! you are probably brutal!!! You make a bad impression... a spiel of accusations? I'll bet you can mud sling like a three dollar whore. That does not make you right or truthfull.
@leonelauxiliar PAS is a tool. They use it when the child is telling. They say she has been brain washed. At court observation: I see them with a big beefy arm around thin trembling shoulders forcing their little girls to say they don't want to see their Mommy because they get too upset and have to concentrate on school. It made me recall a hairy Youth worker who said she doesn't want to see you. You don't understand her. He was having sex with kids at Freedom Home in Edmonton.
just visited mothers for justice website and now fully understand your intentional twisting of facts and propaganda campaign. I apologize to myself for having wasted my faculties of reason with a male hating, radical feminist pig.
You have grossly distorted his real views on these topics by taking his statements out of context and reinserting them into an imaginary context of your own creation, revealing your extreme bias and obvious attempt at propaganda. Even if his views on pedophilia, etc. are proven wrong, how does that prove the invalidity of PAS? It doesn't. many children are harmed through PAS and both mothers and fathers are targets. Ignoring cancer will never cure it, likewise ignoring PAS won't make it go away.
This man needs a bullet in his head !! There are so many sick fucks out there teaching this shit to are children ! Let's find them all and punish them severely !!!!!!
Whole video seems to suffer from the "shoot the messenger" logical fallacy. Just because Charles Manson says the sun rises in the east doesn't make it untrue.
@UKSecretCourts Get real. You probably cannot even read. And I am absolutely sure that you haven't read Dr. Gardner's work. Where is the factual evidence? And factual research?
Where and who verified it? Truth hurts? What about lies? People like you probably enjoy lies and are very happy with them as long as they serve your interests. How can you even sleep? Well, you very probably can't.
@leonelauxiliar You get real. Attacks using parental alienation syndrome are done by individuals intent on continuing a pattern of abuse against a child while preventing the other parent from protecting them. Men who rape children use PAS to discredit both child & protector parent. Alberta Response Model teams play one family member off against another to get at a target child using "domestic disharmony" law. PAS is used by Alberta Gov't. Children's Services hostage takers.The child is the PREY.
The most prestigiuous lawyers and Uni's all say PAS is a lot of CRAP. Of course they're far more diplomatic, they say it's dangerous, ill informed and a Paedophiles charter. and I'm agree with them.
The best universitys all bat AGAINST PAS.
The sexual abuse scale was invented out of thin air by Gardner, there's no peer review or even scientific basis for it.
Gardners work was published from his own living room. It's called "Vanity publishing".
if it's not pas then what is it girls. I agree with abolishing courts etc. But please explain why my daughter wrote a letter to the judge to explain why she did not want to see me or her family anymore.
A big thing for an 8 yr old to do without any help you reckon. So please educate me!!!
The most important thing that I want to express here,
Is that children need the love of both of their parents. They need to have the complete freedom to show their love to their other parent, and the other parent should never block this free communication and love. Even if the xspouse is a jerk.
When one parent intentionally or non-intentionally by not being cognizant of their emotions/action blocks this open communication/ love, they are abusing their children through PAS.
with all due respect to you, Parental Alienation is not gender biased.
Woman are not only its victims.
Not all men are bad, emotional, or physical abusers.
We can all agree this is a real sydrome, with real effects that impact our very spirit and soul. Lets not make is Gender biased. I agree with your statement, that there needs to be prosecution for the alienator/abuser individuals performing this evil.
Gardner slit his own throat when the children he helped to take away from their protecting mothers grew up and tried to sue him. Hope he's rotting in hell where he belongs.
Abusers have created a nice safe environment to abuse their children without having any attention drawn to themselves and the kids claims. I can't believe that intelligent people are actually falling for this crap. Our world has been corrupted with this nonsense and are actually helping abusers to abuse without any consequences or accountability.
The alienated or shut-out parent, just wants to love his children and is being physically and emotionally blocked in doing so. This is same for the children.
It is wrong. It is a form of child abuse!
The children are emotionally abused- for being denied their right to speak and communicate free love to both of their parents and in front of both of their parents.
In my experience, the offensive alienator creating the PAS is the parent who is always with the children.
I ask you what gender usually, not always, ends up with the children over 50% of the time- after a divorce? Remember, the alienated parent that has been shut out of their children's lives, has minimal, to no communication with their children.
The abuser alienates his own children and is also quite manipulative and dishonest. He will have a history of being abused too. Men often fall on PAS to avoid paying support and to have easy access to abuse their children. They're often vindictive cowards who pick on women and kids. You obviously have spent too much time with abusers to hold this opinion. Kids will have their day when they will tell all and I hope there are prosecutions for the people who stole years from their lives.
The vast majority of sex abuse allegations are hardly valid.
Abolish mandated reporting of child sexual abuse? This phrase is very vague.
Parental Alienation as a SYNDROME is debatable. Parental alienation is not. Reasonable people do not need to point out other imperfections of Dr. Gardner to know that parents alienate the other parent from their children.
Also, what do you think of jury trials? Given that there are so many allegations flying around, the legitimacy of which obviously needs to be established by a more conclusive and investigatory process, it would seem that a jury is necessary.
I'll search for the links for you, there's American and Australian PAS research figures out there.
I totally agree with jury trials. i totally agree with open courts. Open to the public and the media to report.
Secrecy is breeding malpractice.
If a child has a bust up with a parent, they should be free to live with say the dad.Soical workers wanted to put a son in "lock down" secure care home because he won't speak to mum. PAS is ridiculous. Kids at 15 years old can speak for themselves.
The reason we don't support PAS is that it's a paedophiles charter. Cleverly disguised to non residents parents as "contact". But we all know what it's based on - predator and sexual abuse and giving power to the sexual abuser!!
ALIENATORS-LOOK WHAT YOUR DOING TO YOUR KIDS- read the TEXTBOOK written by a Woman Expert on PAS-Adult Children of Parental Alienation Syndrome: Breaking the Ties that Bind-by
Amy J. L. Baker
STOP THE ALIENATING NOW- READ FIRST HAND ON 40 STORIES- OF CHILDREN DEVASTATED BY THIS SYNDROME- LOOK WHAT YOUR DOING TO YOUR CHILDREN!!!!!!
I'm confused here. Are you saying PAS does not exist??? LOL. If anyone, even for a split second, believes that PAS is not real, you need to seriously have your head examined. I await your response eagerly.
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These are actual quotes from the sick puck "Gardner" ... why would anyone get angry because Gardner's own words are exposed? Got a guilty conscience? I love dads, moms, and kids, but lay a hand on one of MY children, "carress" one of my childs' genitila, (as recommended by Gardner), and you will never touch another!
Gardner stabbed himself to death with a steak knife!~ What sort of madness did he have in his sick skull?
I'm confused here. Are you saying PAS does not exist??? LOL. If anyone, even for a split second, believes that PAS is not real, you need to seriously have your head examined. I await your response eagerly.
I would like you to tell me what its called when a mother alienates her child from the father when there is no abuse, only false allegations ? You sound just as sick as my ex wife !!!
Your misquotes on the side bar deal with quotes (suspiciously missing parts that would put the quote in its proper context) discussing sexual abuse.
PAS is only applicable (as stated by Gardner himself) when allegations of abuse are found to be false.
BTW I was quoting Gardner's work, the fact that it is from Wikipedia is irrelevant, just answer the point about the definition. Your not clever because you can cut and paste stuff from elsewhere on the internet, and quote the page numbers.
Parental alienation syndrome is a term coined by Richard A. Gardner in 1985 to describe what he referred to as "a disturbance in which children are obsessively preoccupied with depreciation and criticism of a parent." Gardner states that parental alienation syndrome can occur when, in the context of child custody disputes, one parent deliberately or unconsciously attempts to alienate a child from the other parent.
Parental alienation syndrome is a term coined by Richard A. Gardner in 1985 to describe what he referred to as "a disturbance in which children are obsessively preoccupied with depreciation and criticism of a parent." Gardner states that parental alienation syndrome can occur when, in the context of child custody disputes, one parent deliberately or unconsciously attempts to alienate a child from the other parent.
Thats PAS dickhead, What you are referring to is a gross miscarriage of justice
The moment you call me a dickhead, you cross the line of personal insults.
That's called a"STRAWMAN"... attack the person not the idea. Hence I conclude you've run out of any valid criticisms of the idea that PAS is based on SEXUAL ABUSE.
GARDNERS research is on SEXUAL ABUSE.
He invented SALS - the SEXUAL: ABUSE SCALE.
I don't need to call you a dick head, as you're showing yourself to be clueless of the facts.
Listen to me and listen carefully - I DO NOT support children being placed into the care of a KNOWN abuser, known where it is FACTUAL that the child had been sexually abused by that person and still placed in that persons care. I doubt very much mind, that this happens on a frequent basis and I feel it would indeed be a very rare occurrence and a gross miscarriage of justice.
If however one parent has been ACCUSED of sexual abuse but it is found to be factually untrue......
and to be vindictive to one parent to gain custody then YES i think that child should be placed into the care of the other parent purely because only a nutcase would put their child through such crap. I feel you are taking these cases where sexual abuse were unfounded and acting as if they were true based on the fact that because they were accused it must be true. NO this is not the point and its not what the definition of PAS points out. I believe in the definition of PAS that is all...
and I believe in the symptoms that Gardner has listed that goes hand in hand with a parent who alienates the other parents. I have read Gardners work on such things and every single thing that man has listed matches to a T with my own personal experience. I dont know what else you would want to call it all I can call it though is PAS. I dont give a toss what else he has studied and I dont care for his study on sexual abuse. But I do agree with his theory on PARENTAL ALIENATION.
You are completely wrong, supporting PAS means supporting the belief that a child can be influenced by a parent. It does not suggest placing children with convicted abusers. It does suggest removing a child from the care of a parent that puts their own hate and vindictiveness before their child's mental wellness.
Again you avoid answering the question.
Where does the definition of PAS condone or support sexual abuse towards children??? PLEASE GIVE ME A DIRECT AND SPECIFIC QUOTE.
PAS is based on set of 8 symptoms regarding a childs behaviour towards an alienated parent. Comments about sexual abuse are a seperate topic. Gardner himself said that abuse is wrong and where true abuse has occurred then the explanation of a childs behaviour by PAS does not apply.
PAS is simply a potential way of explaining why a child might not like one of their parents in the absence of any wrongdoing.
@chopsticksteve A child not "like" a parent? RACIST ARM teams teach by attacking the child, bullying them, verbally abusing them & modelling HATE. They blame the mother's race, skin color, appearance etc. for abuse. Eg. "I hate your ugly squaw mother" as adult authority figures scare, hit the child, beat them, chase them, grab drag them out from hiding places, gossip & make up scenarios, encourage other children to hit them. A child internalizes racism as a defense mechanism & survival strategy.
PAS is parental alienation syndrome - and it's actively based on SALS sexual abuse syndrome.
Jenhow, you're showing you understand NOTHING about Richard Gardner or PAS to have made this statement. The core research for PAS is about Sexual abuse.
Try reading it - not clinging to a false hope that Gardner sold the divorce courts. This false hope that places sexually abused children with paedophilic abusers. THAT's PAS!! And why Harvard rejects it.
Most allegations of sexual abuse are false or were exaderations of the truth. Women just use sexual abuse allegations to gain leverage in court over their husbands ITS almost as sick as the real allegations!
Even Gardner agreed 95% or higher all ALL sexual abuse allegations are TRUE.
USA research indicated 97% of all claims are TRUE.
It's far more twisted to reason that it's socially acceptable to put 97% of sexually abused children in the hands of a paedophile - which is the core argument of PAS.
Underwager was discredited for giving an interview to a paedophiles magazine.
The big question is why would he even consent to be interviewed by a pro paedophilia magazine?
That is of ALL. Do you know the percentage of sexual abuse allegations being true for custody battles? its much lower Your leavin out the important bits here and you know it. Stop twisting what this man said. everyone who disagrees with you knows this.
You completely miss the point dont you (intentionally I know) why dont you disagree with me and say 'actually no the percetage of sexual abuse allegations being true in custody battle is still 95%' instead you avoid the real fact I was making and go way off topic. its really weird no one can get a direct reply from you about their comment. Its like you have some real problems communicating effectively here.
or maybe its just when your faced with factual truth you bury your head in the sand? thats sociopathic behavior, sociopaths deal with conflicting evidence by selective perception and thats what you do. I wouldnt be suprised as most mothers who make false allegations in court are sociopaths. Your probably one of them.
you got that one right, and its not just sexual abuse its also physical abuse they use. I dont think uksecretcourts has enough experience to back up her theory. Its ridiculous to say - dont matter what you say, you could say the sky is sometimes blue and she'll still deny it and probably start ranting about some other random fact thats off topic.
I repeat Gardner made us SALS - sexual abuse scale, as CORE to PAS.
And CORE to PAS is that 95% of all sexual abuse claims are true.
You can't pick and choose the bits of PAS that are socially acceptable. Plainly PAS isn't socially acceptable, and hence it's been rejected by every reputable organisation that looked at Gardners work.
Except it's junk science - and you are so desperate, in a divorce, that you would put sexually abused children at risk.
'- and you are so desperate, in a divorce, that you would put sexually abused children at risk.'
Yeah right and women like you are so desperate in a divorce that you would say ANy DISGUSTING LIE to get custody of the children out of control and hatred of an ex partner without a fcuking thought for the child/ren involved. You tell me where Richard Gardner said a child should be put in the care of their sexual abuser. Tell me I want to know you fucking twat.
It is only common sense that many custodial parents will turn their children against the non-custodial parent. It happens all the time. That is what PAS is.
Your cherry picking of quotes and sensationalizing of one side of things does not change the basic truth.
The sad thing is that both mothers, fathers can apply PAS and this video also hurts mothers and their children when fathers use PAS on her children.
Mothers for Justice my ass, PAS hurts mothers just as much. PAS is not about sexual abuse ROFL wtf is "secret courts" on about? PAS is about alienating a child from a parent through another parent. You would have to be a complete idiot to think that kids can't be brainwashed by parents to hate their other parents. I agree with you 100% proudguy.
"Years ago, judges accepted parents in a divorce didn't like each other. Now they want to make not liking each other into a medical condition."
Thats not true. I've seen PAS before and done to a mother, her kids thought that she trapped them in her house and they were scared of her. Found out that the father had been manipulating the kids against her. PAS has nothing to do with evading sexual abuse its to do with parents manipulating their kids and brainwashing them against another parent.
PAS is not about parents liking each other or not. It's about those parents manipulating and use their children as weapons to get back at the other parent by feeding them lies and messing with their heads. It is a crime and many children have suffered alot of trama as a result.
"The parental alienation syndrome (PAS) is a disorder that arises primarily in the context of child-custody disputes. Its primary manifestation is the child's campaign of denigration against a parent, a campaign that has no justification. It results from the combination of a programming (brainwashing) parent's indoctrinations and the child's own contributions to the vilification of the target parent."
That's PAS. It has nothing to do with evading sexual abuse or parents disliking each other.
PAS is to do with parents manipulating children to hate the other parent.
"Divorcing parents don't like each other - that is what they want to turn into a medical condition."
No, parents who go on to manipulate their children as tools against the other parent is PAS not people disliking each other. Disliking a partner is different to manipulating your child hate them by saying lies about them.
Yes, PAS is cited by abusive and controlling jerks who can't accept that his/her kids not wanting to be around them is a healthy reaction to a sick person.
And, yes, emotionally weak parents who want to make "allies" out of their kids and who can't accept that someone they love so much (a child) loves someone they hate so much (an ex) that, either intentionally or unintentionally, poison a child against the other parent.
Gardners research is based on sexually abused children. So unless that applies to your friend, PAS isn't appropriate.
PAS has been invented as a term to say that divorcing parents dont' like each other. A generation ago, judges accepted that divorcing parents didn't like each other, but that doesn't make it a medical condition.
Isn't this emotionally charged? I don't know much about Gardiner; from your video I see he's highly regarded and widely despised. Einstein said great spirits always face violent opposition from mediocre minds. Your violent opposition doesn't assure me that he's a genius, mind you.
And I am curious about your cause. Why not call yourself PARENTS FOR JUSTICE? Isn't justice inclusive? Or are you another special interest group? Polarization - can that exist in a just world?
Factual. If you don't know about Gardiner, then maybe it's time to check up on his factual statements.
Gardner is no Einstein. More a "hired gun", that hurt the sexually abused - and left them in control of paedophiles. Not, a nice concept to sign up to.
MFJ is under an umbrella group called Justice for Families.
JFF, took the Lord Chancellor to the High Court for failing to maintain the rule of law in Jersey care homes. Paedophiles control the care homes.
It is also worth noting that Dr. Gardner often expressed disdain for child abuse professionals, labeling them validators, theorizing that greed and desire for increased business prompted some sexual abuse allegations, and speculating that parents and professionals alike made some false allegations because all of us have some pedophilia within us. Parental Alienation Syndrome: What Professionals Need to Know Part 1″. By Erika Rivera Ragland1 & Hope Fields. web = ndaa org
Judge James Mize, Sacramento Superior Court, representing the California Judicial Council and the California Judges Association, testified before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee regarding parental alienation syndrome on May 6, 2003: I have taught family law to judges. ... I have told them (the last 120 judges who have been through this training) Parental Alienation Syndrome does not exist, it is not to be considered.
PAS has become a weapon of choice of abusive parents in Australia when accused of child abuse or molestation in custody or contact disputes. Dr. Elspeth McInnes has further stated that,
"PAS is a winner with violent parents because ;
a) it enables the abuser to occupy the role of the victim; and
b) assists and legitimises their continuing access for abuse. (of the child and the other parent).
Judicial Findings and Principles relevant to the application of PAS
In the U.S.A. the Supreme Court has ruled, (Daubert vs. Merrill Dow) that medical evidence presented to a court must have been peer reviewed, accepted by the relevant medical community, and appropriately tested scientific evidence should be presented". Courts in the U.S.A. commented that courts must not be the place for fanciful speculations to be offered in evidence. PAS does not satisfy any of the Daubert requirements.
The SALS was widely criticised within the psychiatric/psychological community as being without merit or utility (Bruch 2002) and in particular had been described by Professor Jon Conte of the Social Welfare Faculty of the University of Washington (quoted in Dallam 1999) as stating that, (it [SALS] is probably the most unscientific piece of garbage I've seen in the field in all my time.......to base social policy on something as flimsy as this is exceedingly dangerous.".
This video surprises me. All of the anti-cps, anti-divorce, and father's rights groups that I have read about support Gardner's work on PAS. I'm a victim of SOMETHING that sure looks and sounds exactly like the definition of PAS. I've never heard Gardner disrespected before, so I'm shocked. I haven't read his stuff myself, so I don't know if this is true. One thing is undisputable, MOST custody goes to mom, and a LOT of these moms destroy the children's father. PAS exists. It hurts. I feel it.
Google for his sidekick "underwager". Here's his wikipedia entry...
Underwager was forced to step down from the advisory board of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and curtail his public activities after controversy arose over an interview he had given to Paidika, the Journal of Paedophilia. He was accused of stating in this interview that the decriminalization of sexual contact involving an adult and a child was a legitimate goal.
Underwager was the subject of a research project by Dr Anna Salter in 1988, who reviewed the accuracy of his academic writings and the manner in which he presented this testimony in court. She uncovered systematic misrepresentations of research in his writings, as well as outright fabrications, and she concluded that Underwager was a hired gun who makes a living by deceiving judges about the state of medical knowledge and thus assisting child molesters to evade punishment[17]
Underwager In response, Underwager filed several unsuccessful suits against Salter, and began a decade-long campaign of intimidation and entrapment including hiring a private detective, fake phone calls that Salter later found had been taped, and threatening letters.
When you start researching Richard Gardner and Underwager.... you'll be utterly shocked by what you find.
Years ago, courts accepted that divorcing parents didn't like each other. They're getting divorced, of court they don't' like each other.
But Gardner was trying to turn this into a medical condition.
Which puts children at real risk. So would you support that? Harvard wouldn't put their name to this.
Divorce is the essence of not liking each other. But leaving children to live with a sexual abuser, is a whole new debate - Gardner was trying to muddy the waters and combine the two things.
Well said. PAS is very real many children are so afraid to see one parent because the other poisons their minds. Parents who practice PAS on their children are no different to a hitler.
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also yeah children do need both parents, they should have them, were the adults we are here to protect our children, this is wrong.These are not good things. Can you honestly look at your children and say they wanted me to have sex with them? What is wrong with you people?
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OMFG I don't care if this man roped the damn moon, there is NO justification in these theories! You honestly can look at your child and say "she seduced me" what the hell is wrong with you people?
What a pathetic attempt to twist Gardners words. Hes not talking about a conscious moral decision to have sex with a child, but an innate biological urge to reproduce, exactly what didulikeit was talking about. If you dont understand the context in which he is talking than your an idiot, and you have no right accusing innocent people who suffer from the effects of PAS of being a paedophile. You generalize far to much and your wrong. It women like you who abuse children.
As part of his theory, Gardner (1992, pp. 24-5) proposes that pedophilia serves procreative purposes.
Although the child cannot become pregnant, a child who is drawn into sexual encounters at an early age is likely to become highly sexualized and thus will crave sexual experiences during the prepubertal years.
NOTE: THE CHILD
CANNOT BECOME PREGNANT.
THIS IS NOT A 16 YEAR!!
It's under age sex - with the preferred age of 8 -11 years for young girls - called "paedophilia."
European Convention on Human Rights ... article 10 requires that freedom of expression shall be untrammelled.
You can't be sued for repeating what Gardner has written. If you could, logically I could counter sue Youtube and all ISP's to remove every last written word published by Gardner, as defamation, and NOTHING would give me more pleasure.
I'd guess Gardner only had one objective, and that would be to legalise paedophilia.
He cleverly used the hostility of a divorce as the means to "sell" his pro paedophile charter. there are no winners in a divorce, it's a lose-lose situation.
Gardner was a deceptive shield for paedophiles, cloaking their agenda, which is free access to children.
There is no innocence or joy in his world, which is why I'm so proud all reputable professions rejected his findings.
We just have to stop pseudo science by making sure Gardner is "understood", despite his deception of trying to claim that babies can orgasm, so that makes paedophilia okay.
Realzoomy I feel I have had to explain to you our own problems with alienation as to so you would understand were we are coming from. I have only given you a very rough brief of whats going on, I feel that its being narrow minded, black and white etc.. to just write off Gardner as a 'wicked man' There are ALOT things he has written on PAS that cannot be guesswork - they summerize our situation to the T, its unbelievable. I dont agree with everything he has ever said but give him credit...
for at least bringing some of these problems to light. In fact I dont care much for Gardner but attention to Alienation. Some abusers will hide behind it but so will some murders will behind the mentally insane. Thats why in these cases each and every one needs to be carefully assessed on an individual basis. And that is my final word :-)..Peace out V
Jenhow, I never said this! I do not know you or your partner, it would be ridiculous of me to make judgements of you over the internet!
What I WILL say is that Jesus Christ can heal your family problems. You said yourself that you are Christians - well then, why not give Jesus a chance? Tell him your problems, and do not use this tainted pseudoscience any more, and God will bless you for your faith in him.
Well we do everything we can to apease this woman and when the time comes to ask for a little more time than 2 days a fortnight, thats were the trouble begins. I live in Australia now (ex uk) and over here shared care (50/50) is to be exercised unless there is a problem - my partner asked his ex if she would go to mediation to come to an agreement on more time with his son - because the mediation was compulsary she had to do it and she didnt want to go down that path of giving more time..
so thats when she started making problems... she managed to get mediation stopped aledging violence and she stopped contact completely which meant my partner and her were to attend court to resolve it. Now its been nearly a year and he has not seen his son because the court process takes so long.. All because he asked for more time, he misses so much on this childs life its unfair and his ex is happy for it to b that way.. she is abusing their child and his right to both parents.
"no wonder you take all Gardners quotes on just face value and not the depth behind them"
I can assure you that I do not take anything Gardner said at face value alone, but combine what he did, said and the people he worked for and with. You should have a look at this man's background, it does not bear close scrutiny!
"an adult know whats best for the child ultimately"
We do have to be careful that we allow the child to have a voice. Some adults are abusers, if they are allowed to be the voice of the child, disaster ensues.
Exactly what Im saying, I understand how Gardner can be dismissed because it fails to meet scientific standards. However it should be understood that while one might argue the scientific and legal status of this label, the fact remains that this type of phenomena has repeatedly been observed to varying degrees in a large number of custody cases. Also the fact that gardners angle on PAS is focused soley on the mother is unfair as alienation derives from disturbed family dynamics as a whole..
"You are preaching to the wrong people, we are christians ourselves. My partner is a very spiritual person. Preach to his ex, she seems to have lost her way."
I don't mean to preach to anyone! All I know is that Jesus is alive and answers prayer. He will certainly answer yours, if you give him a chance.
Gardner is a filthy pig just like the children's services workers at the Alberta Response Model teams. First they used attacks such as recovered memory syndrome to attack children by preventing discredit grandparents from testifying as to the actions of a person as witnesses. Then they began to use PAS to prevent children from being protected by parents. Attacks are used by both civil litigation lawyers and by child abusers or bad parents to secure CUSTODY or property by hostage taking.
AnneFox7 3 months ago
This video is a incredible piece of misinformation. To deny PAS Should be a crime. It's plain simple: PAS is Child Abuse And Domestic Violence. It is hard to believe that any sensible woman will deny it. Only people with a sick mind can stand by and take this without asking: is this the way some women defend their children? Criminals!
leonelauxiliar 3 months ago
@leonelauxiliar PAS is used to discredit victims and children who tell. When Mommy runs away with a daughter or son who has told about abuse the father attacks her. We have men here who force their sons to put up with rapes by priests, ministers, nuns, social workers or coaches without telling. They blame their own son & help others attack him. They're embarrassed & put him away. Mothers believe the children, protect them, fathers aren't even there. Many are in PAS to get property or ownership.
AnneFox7 in reply to leonelauxiliar (Show the comment) 3 months ago
@AnneFox7 You seem to be suffering from some kind of alienation yourself. PAS is recognized all over the world by many governments and specialists and, in fact, there are some countries that have criminalized it and put alienating parents where they belong: in jail.
The fact that you and those alike do not understand what is behind this serious social problem, only shows that laws must be passed to prevent people like you to come close to children. PAS is child abuse, whether you like it or not.
leonelauxiliar in reply to AnneFox7 (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@AnneFox7 And if in fact, there are some abusing parents that use PAS for the wrong reasons, just as there are some who abuse freedom and human rights to keep committing crimes. That does not mean that we should not recognize those rights.
leonelauxiliar in reply to leonelauxiliar (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@leonelauxiliar PAS 'syndrome"not a recognition of rights NEVER denied it is a plain LIE. Men who alienate their children like Alec Baldwin did use this to get at them. Be clear. I see men dragging their children from one place to another bedraggled miserable suffering for their father's sake. Role reversal by greedy disgusting 2nd wives & men. Children looking after DADDY being used by him. Men do this because they don't care about their children NOT because they do care.
AnneFox7 in reply to leonelauxiliar (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@leonelauxiliar Abusing freedom and human rights to commit crimes? You do not differentiate between freedom and license. Crimes are very often an abuse of civil rights not the other way around. Fraud & hoaxes are crimes. Civil rights are all that maintain our humanity. Many restrict civil rights of others to create a POLICE STATE political oppression as an agenda to role back human rights and advancement. Expression of men's rights aren't in danger. Be SERFS or VOTE.CHOOSE 1.
AnneFox7 in reply to leonelauxiliar (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@leonelauxiliar "Specialists" make a tonne of money selling crap. All over the western world men are alienated from their children when they abandon &refuse them contact. Men think they OWN children like dogs. Select not to see their children or deny them. I'll bet you belong to 2nd & 3rd wives trying to GET a man who gets the ex he still wants to hurt, by hurting or emotionally & psychologically abusing her children. STEPs MURDER & sexually abuse more children.
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leonelauxiliar in reply to AnneFox7 (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@AnneFox7 Who is the abuser? I am a hard working man and she never worked a single day in her life because I was paying the bills. Then she wanted to keep on living from the welfare system and that is the reason why she wanted the children with her. Well, now it is over! I have never referred to her as a bad mother to my children. And even then, none of them wants to go back and live with her although I make sure that they never disrespect their mother. She is the abuser! And you defend this?
leonelauxiliar in reply to AnneFox7 (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@leonelauxiliar Often when a mother leaves she has to have some time to re-establish herself. He husband owns everything she has worked on for the last years of the children's lives and he sees no value in her anymore. The danger times are when the child starts preschool school or kindergarten and he has no idea how much work that their care has been. She always was considered useless to him. Child care isn't so easy is it? I bet you blame your kids and call them needy.
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@AnneFox7 You try to draw me into your sick pledge do deny PAS saying that I am this or that kind of wife.... I am a man. And I have three children who have been denied the right to see and be with their father by a mother that wants me back and has realized that it will NEVER happen. The court has given me custody based on the fact that the mother would leave the children alone at home to go and do whatever she does, and because she is a drug addict too. They spend days without eating. Abuse?
leonelauxiliar in reply to AnneFox7 (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@leonelauxiliar Women are forced to run from a gov't of the western world involved in attempting to turn back the clock to primo geniture and ownership of children and women like chattel. I'll see about this garbage LEGAL backlash against women who divorce men who are bad husbands bad fathers bad providers bad protectors and DISLOYAL + ONLY get interested in children when the woman they OWN escapes. In Canada Caucasian women got the vote in 1929. Your slave mentality is SHOWING.
AnneFox7 in reply to leonelauxiliar (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@AnneFox7 Please don't bother to give me any more of your fascist crap, for I don't have the time for it: I have to work to provide my children with food and clothing since their mother won't help at all. And right now I should be helping my daughter with her home work instead of wasting my time getting into this helpless discussion. At least with the likes of you! Calm down and try to sort your rage out. It will make you a bitter and unbearable person. If you aren't already!
leonelauxiliar in reply to AnneFox7 (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@leonelauxiliar Get real. I'm not some little flower you can shut down by talking about rage. Right thinking people who will see through this callow twitter. Getting at kids by saying I'm calm and my VICTIM is not are very common among guys who abuse. Your cool demeanor and lack of passion make your argument?Cover ups & sudden return to Mr.Nice guy is a trait of CONTROL FREAKS. I'd bet your ex could never have guessed. SHE was enthralled, I'm not. I see right through you.
AnneFox7 in reply to leonelauxiliar (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@AnneFox7 You're so full of it! Please stop! Sell your crap to those who really want to hear about it!
leonelauxiliar in reply to AnneFox7 (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@AnneFox7 We all can see here who is the one in rage! I bet you are covering up for some big time crap you've made in your life or you wouldn't be so mad about all this, and pitch your opinion on such a tendentious fashion. It all shows the caliber of your being. YOU are a joke and even if I do not agree with the video, I can very well see that your kind of behavior does not help your cause at all. You are a hopeless case in this discussion. So: get lost! I will not answer your comments anymore!
leonelauxiliar in reply to AnneFox7 (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@leonelauxiliar See my channel comments for an answer to the remark you made.My comments speak to the reality of this situation. Men who have been oppressing their mates move to oppress another generation. They make their children do without to serve them, their stunted emotional needs. I pray that she be free of the degradation of girls & women forwarded in this point of view. I hope she'll be all she could have been.I have no sympathy for men who pretend they can DO IT ALL.
AnneFox7 in reply to leonelauxiliar (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@AnneFox7 You seem to be a very frustrated woman hurt by some man that did not comply with the kind of mentality you are showing here. Preposterous, violent, aggressive, selfish and probably brutal with the children. You look like the 1st wife, neglected by a husband that simply did not take that kind of crap from you and whom you are now trying to hurt with this radical kind of logic. Equal rights is not defending sides like you are doing.
leonelauxiliar in reply to AnneFox7 (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@leonelauxiliar You bet it is. Equal rights is defending hard won rights which did not exist not so long ago. Backlash attacks by men who still want to own their children like dogs is a part of defending CHILDREN and their rights. They can't do this themselves. Gee!?! BIG WAH!! you are probably brutal!!! You make a bad impression... a spiel of accusations? I'll bet you can mud sling like a three dollar whore. That does not make you right or truthfull.
AnneFox7 in reply to leonelauxiliar (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@AnneFox7 Fascist crap. Get treatment. You are in dire need of it!
leonelauxiliar in reply to AnneFox7 (Show the comment) 1 month ago
@leonelauxiliar PAS is a tool. They use it when the child is telling. They say she has been brain washed. At court observation: I see them with a big beefy arm around thin trembling shoulders forcing their little girls to say they don't want to see their Mommy because they get too upset and have to concentrate on school. It made me recall a hairy Youth worker who said she doesn't want to see you. You don't understand her. He was having sex with kids at Freedom Home in Edmonton.
AnneFox7 in reply to leonelauxiliar (Show the comment) 1 month ago
If we recognise Parental Alienation or Hostile Aggressive parenting.. the TERRORISTS win!
..And yes, I am being sarcastic.
djsuperbadd 1 year ago
just visited mothers for justice website and now fully understand your intentional twisting of facts and propaganda campaign. I apologize to myself for having wasted my faculties of reason with a male hating, radical feminist pig.
dbwheeldon 1 year ago
You have grossly distorted his real views on these topics by taking his statements out of context and reinserting them into an imaginary context of your own creation, revealing your extreme bias and obvious attempt at propaganda. Even if his views on pedophilia, etc. are proven wrong, how does that prove the invalidity of PAS? It doesn't. many children are harmed through PAS and both mothers and fathers are targets. Ignoring cancer will never cure it, likewise ignoring PAS won't make it go away.
dbwheeldon 1 year ago
This man needs a bullet in his head !! There are so many sick fucks out there teaching this shit to are children ! Let's find them all and punish them severely !!!!!!
84631978 1 year ago
Whole video seems to suffer from the "shoot the messenger" logical fallacy. Just because Charles Manson says the sun rises in the east doesn't make it untrue.
Parental alienation is child abuse.
arlocid 1 year ago
@mumblingjim
Factual evidence
factual research.
Quoted links.
All verfied.
All spot on - The truth hurts.
UKSecretCourts in reply to mumblingjim (Show the comment) 1 year ago
@UKSecretCourts Get real. You probably cannot even read. And I am absolutely sure that you haven't read Dr. Gardner's work. Where is the factual evidence? And factual research?
Where and who verified it? Truth hurts? What about lies? People like you probably enjoy lies and are very happy with them as long as they serve your interests. How can you even sleep? Well, you very probably can't.
leonelauxiliar in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 months ago
@leonelauxiliar You get real. Attacks using parental alienation syndrome are done by individuals intent on continuing a pattern of abuse against a child while preventing the other parent from protecting them. Men who rape children use PAS to discredit both child & protector parent. Alberta Response Model teams play one family member off against another to get at a target child using "domestic disharmony" law. PAS is used by Alberta Gov't. Children's Services hostage takers.The child is the PREY.
AnneFox7 in reply to leonelauxiliar (Show the comment) 3 months ago
Your ignorance is overwhelming! Congratulations on your celebration of child abuse, you suck!
peoplepowers 1 year ago
@peoplepowers
By campaigning against the world of Richard Gardner, I hope to prevent Child abuse, and paedophiles gaining control of children.
It is not a defence to argue PAS, that gives control of children to be raped.
PAS was a paedophiles charter.
UKSecretCourts in reply to peoplepowers (Show the comment) 1 year ago
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What about Dr. Jane Major, Dr. Warren Farrell. These two prestigious Ph,D.'s confirm PAS. There are many others!
alldadsunited 1 year ago
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What about Dr. Jane Major, Dr. Warren Farrell. These two prestigious Ph,D.'s confirm PAS. There are many others!
alldadsunited 1 year ago
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What about Dr. Jane Major, Dr. Warren Farrell. These two prestigious Ph,D.'s confirm PAS. There are many others!
alldadsunited 1 year ago
What about Dr. Jane Major, Dr. Warren Farrell. These two prestigious Ph,D.'s confirm PAS. There are many others!
alldadsunited 1 year ago
@alldadsunited
And there are 100 times as many who will prevent this paedophiles charter being recognised.
UKSecretCourts in reply to alldadsunited (Show the comment) 1 year ago
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alldadsunited 1 year ago
@alldadsunited
What about Harvard University?
The most prestigiuous lawyers and Uni's all say PAS is a lot of CRAP. Of course they're far more diplomatic, they say it's dangerous, ill informed and a Paedophiles charter. and I'm agree with them.
The best universitys all bat AGAINST PAS.
The sexual abuse scale was invented out of thin air by Gardner, there's no peer review or even scientific basis for it.
Gardners work was published from his own living room. It's called "Vanity publishing".
UKSecretCourts in reply to alldadsunited (Show the comment) 1 year ago
I dare say that Harvard (and the best universities) also labled as crap many other things you gobble up as truth, UKSecretCourts.
Prestigious lawyers: What is a prestgious lawyer, and how has their amount of prestige become a barometer for truth.
Science: There was no basis for Einstein's theory of relativity, when it first was published.
Publishing: Have you any idea how many great works were published at the expense of the authors?
In general: You're rather ignorant, aren't you?
mumblingjim in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 1 year ago
@mumblingjim
Gardner self published hsi works from his living room. They were not "peer reviewed".
Eisteins work is peer reviewed.
Vanity publishing is a joke.
UKSecretCourts in reply to mumblingjim (Show the comment) 1 year ago
if it's not pas then what is it girls. I agree with abolishing courts etc. But please explain why my daughter wrote a letter to the judge to explain why she did not want to see me or her family anymore.
A big thing for an 8 yr old to do without any help you reckon. So please educate me!!!
woozilmusic 2 years ago 2
I encourage all woman and man, to read what God has clearly communicated clearly- in his exact words in dealing with evil.
yes.. woman and man - what we are experiencing is the force of darkness or evil coming on to us
see his words, which I hold on to so strong during these times
Romans 12-14 and 12-17-21
God Bless and thanks for keeping a open mind
Italiangent1 2 years ago
The most important thing that I want to express here,
Is that children need the love of both of their parents. They need to have the complete freedom to show their love to their other parent, and the other parent should never block this free communication and love. Even if the xspouse is a jerk.
When one parent intentionally or non-intentionally by not being cognizant of their emotions/action blocks this open communication/ love, they are abusing their children through PAS.
Italiangent1 2 years ago
with all due respect to you, Parental Alienation is not gender biased.
Woman are not only its victims.
Not all men are bad, emotional, or physical abusers.
We can all agree this is a real sydrome, with real effects that impact our very spirit and soul. Lets not make is Gender biased. I agree with your statement, that there needs to be prosecution for the alienator/abuser individuals performing this evil.
Italiangent1 2 years ago
Gardner slit his own throat when the children he helped to take away from their protecting mothers grew up and tried to sue him. Hope he's rotting in hell where he belongs.
2nikki46 2 years ago
I'm so glad to find another "informed" viewer.
So many divorcing parents have been sold this PAS as a divorce tactic, without realising who Underwager and Gardner really were.
Paedophiles, who corrupted the Justice system.
UKSecretCourts in reply to 2nikki46 (Show the comment) 2 years ago
Abusers have created a nice safe environment to abuse their children without having any attention drawn to themselves and the kids claims. I can't believe that intelligent people are actually falling for this crap. Our world has been corrupted with this nonsense and are actually helping abusers to abuse without any consequences or accountability.
2nikki46 in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 2 years ago
Remember, like all parents,
The alienated or shut-out parent, just wants to love his children and is being physically and emotionally blocked in doing so. This is same for the children.
It is wrong. It is a form of child abuse!
The children are emotionally abused- for being denied their right to speak and communicate free love to both of their parents and in front of both of their parents.
Italiangent1 2 years ago
In my experience, the offensive alienator creating the PAS is the parent who is always with the children.
I ask you what gender usually, not always, ends up with the children over 50% of the time- after a divorce? Remember, the alienated parent that has been shut out of their children's lives, has minimal, to no communication with their children.
Italiangent1 2 years ago
The abuser alienates his own children and is also quite manipulative and dishonest. He will have a history of being abused too. Men often fall on PAS to avoid paying support and to have easy access to abuse their children. They're often vindictive cowards who pick on women and kids. You obviously have spent too much time with abusers to hold this opinion. Kids will have their day when they will tell all and I hope there are prosecutions for the people who stole years from their lives.
2nikki46 in reply to Italiangent1 (Show the comment) 2 years ago
Dear Thecosmicqueen
I do not have national statistics to support or deny your statement written below.
Each and everyone of us parents whether male or female, has their own unique experiences.
Italiangent1 2 years ago
In the old days judges accepted that parents didn't like each other - it was a divorce.
Turning this "not liking each other" into a medical condition is a very bad practice.
One that will end up with any doctors who diagnose PAS in a tough corner - and the claims against them would be huge.
PAS is not peer reviewed and has FAILED any real tests from Harvard etc.
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
The vast majority of sex abuse allegations are hardly valid.
Abolish mandated reporting of child sexual abuse? This phrase is very vague.
Parental Alienation as a SYNDROME is debatable. Parental alienation is not. Reasonable people do not need to point out other imperfections of Dr. Gardner to know that parents alienate the other parent from their children.
I do agree with abolishing gag orders, though.
Gogonostop 2 years ago 5
Gardner said that 95% of sexual abuse allegations were true.
Further research in the USA said 97% of cases were valid.
So the general rule of thumb is that the overwhelming majority of abuse allegations are valid.
UKSecretCourts in reply to Gogonostop (Show the comment) 2 years ago
Do you have a source for the 97% figure?
Also, what do you think of jury trials? Given that there are so many allegations flying around, the legitimacy of which obviously needs to be established by a more conclusive and investigatory process, it would seem that a jury is necessary.
Gogonostop in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 2 years ago
I'll search for the links for you, there's American and Australian PAS research figures out there.
I totally agree with jury trials. i totally agree with open courts. Open to the public and the media to report.
Secrecy is breeding malpractice.
If a child has a bust up with a parent, they should be free to live with say the dad.Soical workers wanted to put a son in "lock down" secure care home because he won't speak to mum. PAS is ridiculous. Kids at 15 years old can speak for themselves.
UKSecretCourts in reply to Gogonostop (Show the comment) 2 years ago
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Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
m530bc 2 years ago
Hi m530.
Do you have any links or references to that?
It would be wonderful evidence.
The reason we don't support PAS is that it's a paedophiles charter. Cleverly disguised to non residents parents as "contact". But we all know what it's based on - predator and sexual abuse and giving power to the sexual abuser!!
so any links would be wonderful!!
UKSecretCourts in reply to m530bc (Show the comment) 2 years ago
ALIENATORS-LOOK WHAT YOUR DOING TO YOUR KIDS- read the TEXTBOOK written by a Woman Expert on PAS-Adult Children of Parental Alienation Syndrome: Breaking the Ties that Bind-by
Amy J. L. Baker
STOP THE ALIENATING NOW- READ FIRST HAND ON 40 STORIES- OF CHILDREN DEVASTATED BY THIS SYNDROME- LOOK WHAT YOUR DOING TO YOUR CHILDREN!!!!!!
Italiangent1 2 years ago 7
@Italiangent1
more often the harm is done by the abusive father/ parent who abuses but also alienates the children from their good and protective mother.
theCosmicQueen in reply to Italiangent1 (Show the comment) 2 years ago
Only a Extreme- Obsessed -Woman Alienator would you this tactic of "fear and anxiety" and their loss of mommy control to broadcast such garbage.
Italiangent1 2 years ago 7
watch?v=1-tbUsdrBlk
Interested in how to raise a Freedom of Information Request?.
**make them Squirm**
Use the law against CAFCASS
UKSecretCourts 2 years ago
These are Gardner's words.
The references and page numbers are in the more info section.
Taken in by Gardner were you?
UKSecretCourts in reply to figurapaterna (Show the comment) 3 years ago
I'm confused here. Are you saying PAS does not exist??? LOL. If anyone, even for a split second, believes that PAS is not real, you need to seriously have your head examined. I await your response eagerly.
booooboooo2010 3 years ago 3
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These are actual quotes from the sick puck "Gardner" ... why would anyone get angry because Gardner's own words are exposed? Got a guilty conscience? I love dads, moms, and kids, but lay a hand on one of MY children, "carress" one of my childs' genitila, (as recommended by Gardner), and you will never touch another!
Gardner stabbed himself to death with a steak knife!~ What sort of madness did he have in his sick skull?
Way to Go Moms! Step up Dads!
Gardner was a sick puck!
hope4kidz 3 years ago
Too right, he was totally sick.
As perverted as they come!!.
His comments are repugnant, and sicko.
UKSecretCourts in reply to hope4kidz (Show the comment) 3 years ago
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I'm confused here. Are you saying PAS does not exist??? LOL. If anyone, even for a split second, believes that PAS is not real, you need to seriously have your head examined. I await your response eagerly.
booooboooo2010 in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago
your are talking rubbish! go destroy yourself..
pemaliktube in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 2 years ago 3
I would like you to tell me what its called when a mother alienates her child from the father when there is no abuse, only false allegations ? You sound just as sick as my ex wife !!!
knotzee6 3 years ago 17
Perhaps the author of this video is an Obessed, and severe Alienator herself, only to try to twist the awesome work of Gardner.
PAS is Alive and well, and ruining childrens lives.
You are a very sick person to promote and distort. Because of Gardner, child are now aware and can help heal to have the love of both parents.
pmmkb46 3 years ago 17
For proof that these crazies have deliberately misquoted Gardner search for the video titled "Richard Gardner on pedophilia" by children4justice.
It should be in the related videos section to the right.
jenhow69 3 years ago 15
for proof that GARDNER SUPPORTS putting sexually abused children, with their abusers...
just read the nutters books.
ACTUALLY READ GARDNERS WORK
He considers paedophilia is practicised by BILLIONS (with a B).
GARDNER and PAS are evil - the greatest evil known - hence they are discredited by Harvard.
UKSecretCourts in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
So what if he considers pedophilia is practicised by billions. Where does he imply that this is acceptable?
I can state that everyday around the world thousands of people are murdered. Does not make me a murderer nor those it imply that I condone murder.
"ACTUALLY READ GARDNERS WORK" -- the video titled "Richard Gardner on pedophilia" by children4justice
does quote Gardner directly, and in doing so shows how deceptive your misquotes are.
You obviously have an agenda and care little about facts
chopsticksteve in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 15
Read GARDNERS WORK!!!
What does he suggest you say to a Paedophilic father...
THAT'S ITS OKAY.... basically REASSURE THE PAEDOPHILE, THAT BILLIONS OF PAEDOPHILES EXIST...
WOULDN'T YOU CALL REASSURING A PAEDOPHILE, SUPPORTIVE OF HIS BEHAVIOUR...
REASSURING A PAEDOPHILE THAT IT'S ACCEPTABLE... WHEN IT CLEARLY IS NOT.
That's why Gardner is DISCREDITED.
AND SO ARE PAS SUPPORTERS.
READ HIS WORKS.
UKSecretCourts in reply to chopsticksteve (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Your misquotes on the side bar deal with quotes (suspiciously missing parts that would put the quote in its proper context) discussing sexual abuse.
PAS is only applicable (as stated by Gardner himself) when allegations of abuse are found to be false.
BTW I was quoting Gardner's work, the fact that it is from Wikipedia is irrelevant, just answer the point about the definition. Your not clever because you can cut and paste stuff from elsewhere on the internet, and quote the page numbers.
jenhow69 3 years ago 13
DEFINITION of PAS as wikipedia defines
Parental alienation syndrome is a term coined by Richard A. Gardner in 1985 to describe what he referred to as "a disturbance in which children are obsessively preoccupied with depreciation and criticism of a parent." Gardner states that parental alienation syndrome can occur when, in the context of child custody disputes, one parent deliberately or unconsciously attempts to alienate a child from the other parent.
jenhow69 3 years ago 12
you tell me where it mentions sexual abuse.
jenhow69 in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago 14
OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE
READ THE ENTIRE LISTING DOWN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS VIDEO
ITS BEEN THERE THE WHOLE TIME
Page numbers, the whole lot.
GET READING!!
UKSecretCourts in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Parental alienation syndrome is a term coined by Richard A. Gardner in 1985 to describe what he referred to as "a disturbance in which children are obsessively preoccupied with depreciation and criticism of a parent." Gardner states that parental alienation syndrome can occur when, in the context of child custody disputes, one parent deliberately or unconsciously attempts to alienate a child from the other parent.
Thats PAS dickhead, What you are referring to is a gross miscarriage of justice
jenhow69 3 years ago 12
The moment you call me a dickhead, you cross the line of personal insults.
That's called a"STRAWMAN"... attack the person not the idea. Hence I conclude you've run out of any valid criticisms of the idea that PAS is based on SEXUAL ABUSE.
GARDNERS research is on SEXUAL ABUSE.
He invented SALS - the SEXUAL: ABUSE SCALE.
I don't need to call you a dick head, as you're showing yourself to be clueless of the facts.
UKSecretCourts in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Listen to me and listen carefully - I DO NOT support children being placed into the care of a KNOWN abuser, known where it is FACTUAL that the child had been sexually abused by that person and still placed in that persons care. I doubt very much mind, that this happens on a frequent basis and I feel it would indeed be a very rare occurrence and a gross miscarriage of justice.
If however one parent has been ACCUSED of sexual abuse but it is found to be factually untrue......
jenhow69 in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 10
and to be vindictive to one parent to gain custody then YES i think that child should be placed into the care of the other parent purely because only a nutcase would put their child through such crap. I feel you are taking these cases where sexual abuse were unfounded and acting as if they were true based on the fact that because they were accused it must be true. NO this is not the point and its not what the definition of PAS points out. I believe in the definition of PAS that is all...
jenhow69 in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago 9
and I believe in the symptoms that Gardner has listed that goes hand in hand with a parent who alienates the other parents. I have read Gardners work on such things and every single thing that man has listed matches to a T with my own personal experience. I dont know what else you would want to call it all I can call it though is PAS. I dont give a toss what else he has studied and I dont care for his study on sexual abuse. But I do agree with his theory on PARENTAL ALIENATION.
jenhow69 in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago 9
If you support PAS, then you directly support the placing of abused children, (SEXUALLY ABUSED CHILDREN) with their abuser.
What are you quoting me Wikipedia? Are you some kid of idiot - who can only read Wikepedia.
READ GARDNER's SOURCE MATERIAL BEFORE YOU QUOTE ME WIKIPEDIA!!
UKSecretCourts in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
You are completely wrong, supporting PAS means supporting the belief that a child can be influenced by a parent. It does not suggest placing children with convicted abusers. It does suggest removing a child from the care of a parent that puts their own hate and vindictiveness before their child's mental wellness.
Again you avoid answering the question.
Where does the definition of PAS condone or support sexual abuse towards children??? PLEASE GIVE ME A DIRECT AND SPECIFIC QUOTE.
jenhow69 in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 12
Have you seen anyone of these works...
The quotes are directly on screen.
CAN'T YOU READ?
As a supporter of PAS, obviously not.
PAS in based on SEXUAL ABUSE.
Gardner thinks paedophilia is okay, you tell the father, that what' he's done is okay...
Go watch the video.
UKSecretCourts in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
PAS is based on set of 8 symptoms regarding a childs behaviour towards an alienated parent. Comments about sexual abuse are a seperate topic. Gardner himself said that abuse is wrong and where true abuse has occurred then the explanation of a childs behaviour by PAS does not apply.
PAS is simply a potential way of explaining why a child might not like one of their parents in the absence of any wrongdoing.
Pretty simple really if you have half a brain.
chopsticksteve in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 17
@chopsticksteve
PAS is based on SALS - sexual abuse syndrome.... it's highly supportive of paedophiles, who are doing nothing wrong in Gardners eyes.
PAS was sold by paedophiles to those in a divorce court.
It caused many abuse children to be forced to live with their abuser - some of these children committed suicide.
Hence reputable organisations won't endorse it - as it's a paedophiles charter.
UKSecretCourts in reply to chopsticksteve (Show the comment) 1 year ago
@chopsticksteve A child not "like" a parent? RACIST ARM teams teach by attacking the child, bullying them, verbally abusing them & modelling HATE. They blame the mother's race, skin color, appearance etc. for abuse. Eg. "I hate your ugly squaw mother" as adult authority figures scare, hit the child, beat them, chase them, grab drag them out from hiding places, gossip & make up scenarios, encourage other children to hit them. A child internalizes racism as a defense mechanism & survival strategy.
AnneFox7 in reply to chopsticksteve (Show the comment) 3 months ago
All I can say is.... weirdos!!!
This world is SICK.
1pillsbury1 3 years ago
PAS is parental alienation syndrome - and it's actively based on SALS sexual abuse syndrome.
Jenhow, you're showing you understand NOTHING about Richard Gardner or PAS to have made this statement. The core research for PAS is about Sexual abuse.
Try reading it - not clinging to a false hope that Gardner sold the divorce courts. This false hope that places sexually abused children with paedophilic abusers. THAT's PAS!! And why Harvard rejects it.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
I think you got it wrong uksecretcourts, PAS stands for Parental Alienation Syndrome not Paedophile Alienation Syndrome.
jenhow69 3 years ago 7
Most allegations of sexual abuse are false or were exaderations of the truth. Women just use sexual abuse allegations to gain leverage in court over their husbands ITS almost as sick as the real allegations!
1pillsbury1 3 years ago 9
Even Gardner agreed 95% or higher all ALL sexual abuse allegations are TRUE.
USA research indicated 97% of all claims are TRUE.
It's far more twisted to reason that it's socially acceptable to put 97% of sexually abused children in the hands of a paedophile - which is the core argument of PAS.
Underwager was discredited for giving an interview to a paedophiles magazine.
The big question is why would he even consent to be interviewed by a pro paedophilia magazine?
UKSecretCourts in reply to 1pillsbury1 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
95% of ALL allegations of sexual abuse were true?
That is of ALL. Do you know the percentage of sexual abuse allegations being true for custody battles? its much lower Your leavin out the important bits here and you know it. Stop twisting what this man said. everyone who disagrees with you knows this.
jenhow69 in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 7
I'm quoting your hero here - the despicable Gardner.
Alas, Harvard agree with me, and every other reputable organisation too.
Hence, you got big problems convincing anyone to support PAS, and why would they?
Why would they agree to placing the abused, with their abuser?
UKSecretCourts in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
You completely miss the point dont you (intentionally I know) why dont you disagree with me and say 'actually no the percetage of sexual abuse allegations being true in custody battle is still 95%' instead you avoid the real fact I was making and go way off topic. its really weird no one can get a direct reply from you about their comment. Its like you have some real problems communicating effectively here.
jenhow69 in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 5
or maybe its just when your faced with factual truth you bury your head in the sand? thats sociopathic behavior, sociopaths deal with conflicting evidence by selective perception and thats what you do. I wouldnt be suprised as most mothers who make false allegations in court are sociopaths. Your probably one of them.
jenhow69 in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago 4
you got that one right, and its not just sexual abuse its also physical abuse they use. I dont think uksecretcourts has enough experience to back up her theory. Its ridiculous to say - dont matter what you say, you could say the sky is sometimes blue and she'll still deny it and probably start ranting about some other random fact thats off topic.
jenhow69 in reply to 1pillsbury1 (Show the comment) 3 years ago 4
I repeat Gardner made us SALS - sexual abuse scale, as CORE to PAS.
And CORE to PAS is that 95% of all sexual abuse claims are true.
You can't pick and choose the bits of PAS that are socially acceptable. Plainly PAS isn't socially acceptable, and hence it's been rejected by every reputable organisation that looked at Gardners work.
Except it's junk science - and you are so desperate, in a divorce, that you would put sexually abused children at risk.
UKSecretCourts in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
'- and you are so desperate, in a divorce, that you would put sexually abused children at risk.'
Yeah right and women like you are so desperate in a divorce that you would say ANy DISGUSTING LIE to get custody of the children out of control and hatred of an ex partner without a fcuking thought for the child/ren involved. You tell me where Richard Gardner said a child should be put in the care of their sexual abuser. Tell me I want to know you fucking twat.
jenhow69 in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 8
It is only common sense that many custodial parents will turn their children against the non-custodial parent. It happens all the time. That is what PAS is.
Your cherry picking of quotes and sensationalizing of one side of things does not change the basic truth.
proudguy 3 years ago 4
Wrong.
PAS is about sexual abuse.
Plain and simple.
The quotes are all hard facts.
That's why Gardner is discredit.
That's why nothing he's produced is accepted by his peers.
PAS is not about divorce - it's about sexual abuse, and handing abuse victims back to their sexual abusers.
Imagine why you'd do that (apart from being a closet paedophile)...
UKSecretCourts in reply to proudguy (Show the comment) 3 years ago
You think that all fathers molest their children? If so, therapy would be better than making a video to lash out at all fathers.
proudguy in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 6
Gardner invented PAS - over Sexual abuse. PAs is NOT about divorce - but sexual abuse.
Gardner tried to take his sexual abuse theory mainstream via the divorce courts.
But it's rubbish. He made up PAS. He made up his testing criteria. He vanity published his own books, ALL of them.
That's just some of the reasons why Harvard discredit him.
UKSecretCourts in reply to proudguy (Show the comment) 3 years ago
The sad thing is that both mothers, fathers can apply PAS and this video also hurts mothers and their children when fathers use PAS on her children.
Mothers for Justice my ass, PAS hurts mothers just as much. PAS is not about sexual abuse ROFL wtf is "secret courts" on about? PAS is about alienating a child from a parent through another parent. You would have to be a complete idiot to think that kids can't be brainwashed by parents to hate their other parents. I agree with you 100% proudguy.
stupidfeminazifoolz in reply to proudguy (Show the comment) 3 years ago 2
PAS is a based on the SALS sexual abuse scale.
It forces kids being abused to be handed over to their abuser.
Gardner conned the divorce into accepting his unpeer reviewed theories.
His theories aren't peer reviewed, He made up SALS on the back of an envelope.
Years ago, judges accepted parents in a divorce didn't like each other. Now they want to make not liking each other into a medical condition.
UKSecretCourts in reply to stupidfeminazifoolz (Show the comment) 3 years ago
"Years ago, judges accepted parents in a divorce didn't like each other. Now they want to make not liking each other into a medical condition."
Thats not true. I've seen PAS before and done to a mother, her kids thought that she trapped them in her house and they were scared of her. Found out that the father had been manipulating the kids against her. PAS has nothing to do with evading sexual abuse its to do with parents manipulating their kids and brainwashing them against another parent.
stupidfeminazifoolz in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 3
PAS is not about parents liking each other or not. It's about those parents manipulating and use their children as weapons to get back at the other parent by feeding them lies and messing with their heads. It is a crime and many children have suffered alot of trama as a result.
stupidfeminazifoolz in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 3
WRONG. PAS is based on, and determined by SEXUAL ABUSE.
Gardener and underwager hijacked sexaul abuse cases and applied them to divorce. They are in no way related.
Divorcing parents don't like each other - that is what they want to turn into a medical condition.
PAS data is strictly based on sexual abuse.
UKSecretCourts in reply to stupidfeminazifoolz (Show the comment) 3 years ago
"The parental alienation syndrome (PAS) is a disorder that arises primarily in the context of child-custody disputes. Its primary manifestation is the child's campaign of denigration against a parent, a campaign that has no justification. It results from the combination of a programming (brainwashing) parent's indoctrinations and the child's own contributions to the vilification of the target parent."
That's PAS. It has nothing to do with evading sexual abuse or parents disliking each other.
stupidfeminazifoolz in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 2
PAS is to do with parents manipulating children to hate the other parent.
"Divorcing parents don't like each other - that is what they want to turn into a medical condition."
No, parents who go on to manipulate their children as tools against the other parent is PAS not people disliking each other. Disliking a partner is different to manipulating your child hate them by saying lies about them.
"PAS data is strictly based on sexual abuse. "
No PAS is mainly based on brainwashing.
stupidfeminazifoolz in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago 3
The truth, of course, is in the middle.
Yes, PAS is cited by abusive and controlling jerks who can't accept that his/her kids not wanting to be around them is a healthy reaction to a sick person.
And, yes, emotionally weak parents who want to make "allies" out of their kids and who can't accept that someone they love so much (a child) loves someone they hate so much (an ex) that, either intentionally or unintentionally, poison a child against the other parent.
Its a case-by-case determination
EsqDave 3 years ago
watch?v=1uoajKgNU2k
I am a fugitive ^^Must Watch^^
True story - mum on the run
Let's bring this mum home safely - by mass publicity.
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
Google for Richard Gardner and Underwager.
Gardners research is based on sexually abused children. So unless that applies to your friend, PAS isn't appropriate.
PAS has been invented as a term to say that divorcing parents dont' like each other. A generation ago, judges accepted that divorcing parents didn't like each other, but that doesn't make it a medical condition.
UKSecretCourts in reply to weirdo46939 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Isn't this emotionally charged? I don't know much about Gardiner; from your video I see he's highly regarded and widely despised. Einstein said great spirits always face violent opposition from mediocre minds. Your violent opposition doesn't assure me that he's a genius, mind you.
And I am curious about your cause. Why not call yourself PARENTS FOR JUSTICE? Isn't justice inclusive? Or are you another special interest group? Polarization - can that exist in a just world?
IndieCanJoe 3 years ago
Factual. If you don't know about Gardiner, then maybe it's time to check up on his factual statements.
Gardner is no Einstein. More a "hired gun", that hurt the sexually abused - and left them in control of paedophiles. Not, a nice concept to sign up to.
MFJ is under an umbrella group called Justice for Families.
JFF, took the Lord Chancellor to the High Court for failing to maintain the rule of law in Jersey care homes. Paedophiles control the care homes.
UKSecretCourts in reply to IndieCanJoe (Show the comment) 3 years ago
It is also worth noting that Dr. Gardner often expressed disdain for child abuse professionals, labeling them validators, theorizing that greed and desire for increased business prompted some sexual abuse allegations, and speculating that parents and professionals alike made some false allegations because all of us have some pedophilia within us. Parental Alienation Syndrome: What Professionals Need to Know Part 1″. By Erika Rivera Ragland1 & Hope Fields. web = ndaa org
UKSecretCourts in reply to leynod76 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Judge James Mize, Sacramento Superior Court, representing the California Judicial Council and the California Judges Association, testified before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee regarding parental alienation syndrome on May 6, 2003: I have taught family law to judges. ... I have told them (the last 120 judges who have been through this training) Parental Alienation Syndrome does not exist, it is not to be considered.
UKSecretCourts in reply to leynod76 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
PAS has become a weapon of choice of abusive parents in Australia when accused of child abuse or molestation in custody or contact disputes. Dr. Elspeth McInnes has further stated that,
"PAS is a winner with violent parents because ;
a) it enables the abuser to occupy the role of the victim; and
b) assists and legitimises their continuing access for abuse. (of the child and the other parent).
UKSecretCourts in reply to leynod76 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Judicial Findings and Principles relevant to the application of PAS
In the U.S.A. the Supreme Court has ruled, (Daubert vs. Merrill Dow) that medical evidence presented to a court must have been peer reviewed, accepted by the relevant medical community, and appropriately tested scientific evidence should be presented". Courts in the U.S.A. commented that courts must not be the place for fanciful speculations to be offered in evidence. PAS does not satisfy any of the Daubert requirements.
UKSecretCourts in reply to leynod76 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Ask your barrister to attack your EX, using the SALS criteria.
Gardner subsequently withdrew SALS but it formed the basis of his formulation of his theory of PAS (Dallam 1999).
UKSecretCourts in reply to leynod76 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
The SALS was widely criticised within the psychiatric/psychological community as being without merit or utility (Bruch 2002) and in particular had been described by Professor Jon Conte of the Social Welfare Faculty of the University of Washington (quoted in Dallam 1999) as stating that, (it [SALS] is probably the most unscientific piece of garbage I've seen in the field in all my time.......to base social policy on something as flimsy as this is exceedingly dangerous.".
UKSecretCourts in reply to leynod76 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
This video surprises me. All of the anti-cps, anti-divorce, and father's rights groups that I have read about support Gardner's work on PAS. I'm a victim of SOMETHING that sure looks and sounds exactly like the definition of PAS. I've never heard Gardner disrespected before, so I'm shocked. I haven't read his stuff myself, so I don't know if this is true. One thing is undisputable, MOST custody goes to mom, and a LOT of these moms destroy the children's father. PAS exists. It hurts. I feel it.
tenbarrels5 3 years ago
Google for his sidekick "underwager". Here's his wikipedia entry...
Underwager was forced to step down from the advisory board of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and curtail his public activities after controversy arose over an interview he had given to Paidika, the Journal of Paedophilia. He was accused of stating in this interview that the decriminalization of sexual contact involving an adult and a child was a legitimate goal.
UKSecretCourts in reply to tenbarrels5 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
wikipedia..
Underwager was the subject of a research project by Dr Anna Salter in 1988, who reviewed the accuracy of his academic writings and the manner in which he presented this testimony in court. She uncovered systematic misrepresentations of research in his writings, as well as outright fabrications, and she concluded that Underwager was a hired gun who makes a living by deceiving judges about the state of medical knowledge and thus assisting child molesters to evade punishment[17]
UKSecretCourts in reply to tenbarrels5 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Underwager In response, Underwager filed several unsuccessful suits against Salter, and began a decade-long campaign of intimidation and entrapment including hiring a private detective, fake phone calls that Salter later found had been taped, and threatening letters.
When you start researching Richard Gardner and Underwager.... you'll be utterly shocked by what you find.
They've manipulators equal to any barrister.
UKSecretCourts in reply to tenbarrels5 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Years ago, courts accepted that divorcing parents didn't like each other. They're getting divorced, of court they don't' like each other.
But Gardner was trying to turn this into a medical condition.
Which puts children at real risk. So would you support that? Harvard wouldn't put their name to this.
Divorce is the essence of not liking each other. But leaving children to live with a sexual abuser, is a whole new debate - Gardner was trying to muddy the waters and combine the two things.
UKSecretCourts in reply to tenbarrels5 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Well said. PAS is very real many children are so afraid to see one parent because the other poisons their minds. Parents who practice PAS on their children are no different to a hitler.
stupidfeminazifoolz in reply to didulikeit (Show the comment) 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
also yeah children do need both parents, they should have them, were the adults we are here to protect our children, this is wrong.These are not good things. Can you honestly look at your children and say they wanted me to have sex with them? What is wrong with you people?
McboingBoings 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
OMFG I don't care if this man roped the damn moon, there is NO justification in these theories! You honestly can look at your child and say "she seduced me" what the hell is wrong with you people?
McboingBoings 3 years ago
get 1)this sick hate vid off the web and 2)help
children need both mother ands father.
trycoun 3 years ago 2
If the CHILD is too young to become pregnant, this is paedophilia.
If you try and CLOAK this as "children" having sexual relations, to "pass on the reproductive gene"... well, be logical for one second.
How can a child pass on a reproductive gene, without becoming pregnant.
Which is why Gardner is identified as pro paedophilia and his Vanity publishing enterprise is "PSEDUO" Science.
UKSecretCourts in reply to didulikeit (Show the comment) 3 years ago
What a pathetic attempt to twist Gardners words. Hes not talking about a conscious moral decision to have sex with a child, but an innate biological urge to reproduce, exactly what didulikeit was talking about. If you dont understand the context in which he is talking than your an idiot, and you have no right accusing innocent people who suffer from the effects of PAS of being a paedophile. You generalize far to much and your wrong. It women like you who abuse children.
jenhow69 in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago
So are you advocating sex with children who haven't yet hit puberty?
that's called "paedophilia".
It's utter nonsense to say that this is a "survival mechanism".
his work isn't peer reviewed, nor is it supported.
He published his own books - so his only expertise is in "Vanity publishing".
UKSecretCourts in reply to didulikeit (Show the comment) 3 years ago
As part of his theory, Gardner (1992, pp. 24-5) proposes that pedophilia serves procreative purposes.
Although the child cannot become pregnant, a child who is drawn into sexual encounters at an early age is likely to become highly sexualized and thus will crave sexual experiences during the prepubertal years.
NOTE: THE CHILD
CANNOT BECOME PREGNANT.
THIS IS NOT A 16 YEAR!!
It's under age sex - with the preferred age of 8 -11 years for young girls - called "paedophilia."
UKSecretCourts 3 years ago
You tried to silence me - what does that make you?
UKSecretCourts in reply to didulikeit (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Do you mean single, without children, or a mother who has had children?
UKSecretCourts in reply to didulikeit (Show the comment) 3 years ago
European Convention on Human Rights ... article 10 requires that freedom of expression shall be untrammelled.
You can't be sued for repeating what Gardner has written. If you could, logically I could counter sue Youtube and all ISP's to remove every last written word published by Gardner, as defamation, and NOTHING would give me more pleasure.
UKSecretCourts in reply to didulikeit (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Given that the actual quotes are from the Doctor's PUBLISHED works, these quotes are in the Public domain.
The Doctor committed suicide, so I'm not sure if Defamation of character applies to
1. The written word
2. Published works
3. A dead person.
UKSecretCourts in reply to didulikeit (Show the comment) 3 years ago
I'd guess Gardner only had one objective, and that would be to legalise paedophilia.
He cleverly used the hostility of a divorce as the means to "sell" his pro paedophile charter. there are no winners in a divorce, it's a lose-lose situation.
UKSecretCourts in reply to sylviesangels (Show the comment) 3 years ago
LOL!! he was just trying to legalize paedophilia, you know what scares me? some people actually believe this propaganda video.
jenhow69 in reply to UKSecretCourts (Show the comment) 3 years ago
^^Totally Agree^^
Gardner was a deceptive shield for paedophiles, cloaking their agenda, which is free access to children.
There is no innocence or joy in his world, which is why I'm so proud all reputable professions rejected his findings.
We just have to stop pseudo science by making sure Gardner is "understood", despite his deception of trying to claim that babies can orgasm, so that makes paedophilia okay.
UKSecretCourts in reply to sylviesangels (Show the comment) 3 years ago
Realzoomy I feel I have had to explain to you our own problems with alienation as to so you would understand were we are coming from. I have only given you a very rough brief of whats going on, I feel that its being narrow minded, black and white etc.. to just write off Gardner as a 'wicked man' There are ALOT things he has written on PAS that cannot be guesswork - they summerize our situation to the T, its unbelievable. I dont agree with everything he has ever said but give him credit...
jenhow69 3 years ago
for at least bringing some of these problems to light. In fact I dont care much for Gardner but attention to Alienation. Some abusers will hide behind it but so will some murders will behind the mentally insane. Thats why in these cases each and every one needs to be carefully assessed on an individual basis. And that is my final word :-)..Peace out V
jenhow69 in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
"not every case is abuse or pedophila"
Jenhow, I never said this! I do not know you or your partner, it would be ridiculous of me to make judgements of you over the internet!
What I WILL say is that Jesus Christ can heal your family problems. You said yourself that you are Christians - well then, why not give Jesus a chance? Tell him your problems, and do not use this tainted pseudoscience any more, and God will bless you for your faith in him.
realzoomy 3 years ago
Well we do everything we can to apease this woman and when the time comes to ask for a little more time than 2 days a fortnight, thats were the trouble begins. I live in Australia now (ex uk) and over here shared care (50/50) is to be exercised unless there is a problem - my partner asked his ex if she would go to mediation to come to an agreement on more time with his son - because the mediation was compulsary she had to do it and she didnt want to go down that path of giving more time..
jenhow69 in reply to realzoomy (Show the comment) 3 years ago
so thats when she started making problems... she managed to get mediation stopped aledging violence and she stopped contact completely which meant my partner and her were to attend court to resolve it. Now its been nearly a year and he has not seen his son because the court process takes so long.. All because he asked for more time, he misses so much on this childs life its unfair and his ex is happy for it to b that way.. she is abusing their child and his right to both parents.
jenhow69 in reply to jenhow69 (Show the comment) 3 years ago
"no wonder you take all Gardners quotes on just face value and not the depth behind them"
I can assure you that I do not take anything Gardner said at face value alone, but combine what he did, said and the people he worked for and with. You should have a look at this man's background, it does not bear close scrutiny!
realzoomy 3 years ago
"an adult know whats best for the child ultimately"
We do have to be careful that we allow the child to have a voice. Some adults are abusers, if they are allowed to be the voice of the child, disaster ensues.
realzoomy 3 years ago
Exactly what Im saying, I understand how Gardner can be dismissed because it fails to meet scientific standards. However it should be understood that while one might argue the scientific and legal status of this label, the fact remains that this type of phenomena has repeatedly been observed to varying degrees in a large number of custody cases. Also the fact that gardners angle on PAS is focused soley on the mother is unfair as alienation derives from disturbed family dynamics as a whole..
jenhow69 in reply to realzoomy (Show the comment) 3 years ago
"women can be bitches, I am one myself"
Those were your very words!
"You are preaching to the wrong people, we are christians ourselves. My partner is a very spiritual person. Preach to his ex, she seems to have lost her way."
I don't mean to preach to anyone! All I know is that Jesus is alive and answers prayer. He will certainly answer yours, if you give him a chance.
realzoomy 3 years ago