I too believe that Sikhs should maintain our identity and philosophy and discourage practices that are followed merely out of habit but are we not in danger of over-analysing this a little? I do not agree that it weakens women's temperament and if you don't believe me you can ask my sister yourself...but bring body-armour! Sikhs have adopted this tradition with maturity and do not use it to repress but use it to remind us bone-head brothers that we have responsibilities to adhere to.
@4pocalyptic I understand where you are coming from but why must we tie a thread to represent the promise that we will protect our sisters from everything, a promise that should not need reaffirming. I know that we need to protect our sisters, but I am not ignorant to think that sometimes the tables are turned and sisters protect us. I am not against the act of a brother protecting his sister, I am agains the fact that it is impressed that only women require protection. It works both ways...
Rakhri has nothing to do about inequality between men and women, but rather it has everything to do with the love between a brother and a sister. Every father, son, and brother has a duty to protect his mother, daughter and sister. Would you let your mother, daughter or sister walk out alone late at night? Of course not. Men and women have equal rights, but let's not confuse equal rights for equally built bodies. Dont be ignorant and politicize a great day for your own hateful agenda of division
@brapitybrapbrap I would not allow them to walk out alone late at night. But equally I would not allow my father, son or brother walk out alone late at night, I personally feel an equal responsibility for both sexes not just for the females. as I explained to @4pocalyptic, sisters have protected brothers in many cases and my yearning is to make others understand that it works both ways and that tying some thread on a brothers arm...
@ysderby Where in the celebration Rakhri does it say do not to protect your father, son or brother as well? Any good human being will protect his family. The point is - women's bodies are not built equally to men. If that were God's purpose, there would be only one sex. Women have child bearing hips and breasts for a purpose. Men have muscle and a greater aggression due to testosterone for a reason. Having equal rights in social conditions is not the same as equally built bodies. Cont'd below...
@ysderby Men's bodies ARE better equipped to protect women. It's a biological fact. That is why you don't see co-ed olympics. That's why most cases of domestic violence is against WOMEN. If you fail to realize that, then you fail to realize the truths of nature and of God, and you're truly being ignorant. I implore you to take down this video and rethink your political agenda and stop causing division. India is stronger united now then ever before. Don't set our country back.
@brapitybrapbrap My political agenda is tied to my religious being, the spirit of which was infused within me by the sixth master when he created the idea of Miri & Piri, the spiritual and temporal. My 'political agenda' is not to cause divisions but to irradiate falsehoods, I do not refute that both sexes have different strengths and weaknesses, but my friend, I do refute that one is required to tie a piece of string to represent that one will protect another... I do refute that it is... cont'd
@ysderby I think you're too focused on the literal meaning of the string and assume the protection is a one way treaty. I think it's well understood that family protects family - it's a two way relationship. However, knowing men have biological differences from woman and do have a stronger physical capacity than women - that doesn't take away from the resolve of women - instead just shows that we understand those physical differences and thus must act in accordance. Anything less is ignorant.
@brapitybrapbrap I agree with you completely that there are physical differences in men and women and that in most cases men tend to be stronger physically. But I am refuting the string, why is it tied? There is no power within it! The instinct to protect one's family comes from within not an external object such as a bit of cotton. This is a falsehood within the Sikh religion. I am not here to convince you to stop, that is up to you, just to convey what Guru Nanak Dev Ji taught.
@brapitybrapbrap only men who protect women. We only have to look into history to see the strength of women, their resolve! I apologise I will not be able to entertain your request to take down this video, I instead implore you to rethink where you stand. Are you on the side of the pandit who tried to tie a janoo on Guru Nanak Dev Ji's wrist? Or on the side of the First Master whose aim was to remove falsehoods from people's minds and replace them with the love of Waheguru!
its more affection really! I have 3 first cousin sisters,due to hectic lifestyles we all hardly see each other! That 1 day in a year is just a marker that despite any diffs we all have our rishta will always b strong. Its not religion its just a token of love between bro n sis thats all
@Vasco1701 I accept that many people do not see it as what it was originally set up that is not what we are arguing. But why do we need such a day which bathes in such inequality for the basis to meet? You admit this is not religion, but why not use one of the actual Gurpurbs to meet, maybe even go to the gurdwara. I am under the assumption you are a Sikh, but if you are not please accept my apologies.
@ysderby Paaji thanx for allowing my comment! I do try to go to gurpurbs where I can! My cousin sisters are young and their Mothers not only r not religious they also try divide us all up! I just live with Hobsons Choice! Family politics! My cousins are equal to me,if i refuse it wud hurt their feelings i tried it once!
@ysderby Ive tried to not do rakhri Once b4 because i was told it wasnt a religious thing! But it rocked the boat and hurt the feelings of my Cousin Sisters who are still young! It also gave their Mums ammo against me and my family! Im just trying to live around certain things at this moment in time brother!
@Vasco1701 We are both on the same page, it is only that you cannot act upon how you feel. Don't worry about it, guruji knows what is in your heart and how you truly feel. Take care Ji...
I tie Rakhri on my brothers only as a way of showing them I love them. I don't do it to get any form of protection from them. As in we have a mothers day, fathers day and I treat Rakhri as 'brother's day' to tell my brothers how much i love and respect them.
@JJatti Bhenji, I agree that some may tie Rakhrian on their brothers to show love, but its original meaning was a promise from a brother that he would protect his sister. In Sikhi, this wasn't the case, both Brothers and Sisters protected each other regardless of a thread. It is sweet that you treat this day as a 'brother's day' but would time not be spent more usefully if you discussed about Guruji and his teachings rather than tying threads? (Not to imply you don't already) Bhul Chuk Muaaf! KS
brothers should always protect their sisters this is a cultural thing this is a dumb video remove it
Jattmafia313 1 year ago
@Jattmafia313 Sikhs should protect all, not just those who tie a thread on them. In my eyes that is what is 'dumb'...
ysderby 1 year ago
I too believe that Sikhs should maintain our identity and philosophy and discourage practices that are followed merely out of habit but are we not in danger of over-analysing this a little? I do not agree that it weakens women's temperament and if you don't believe me you can ask my sister yourself...but bring body-armour! Sikhs have adopted this tradition with maturity and do not use it to repress but use it to remind us bone-head brothers that we have responsibilities to adhere to.
4pocalyptic 1 year ago
@4pocalyptic I understand where you are coming from but why must we tie a thread to represent the promise that we will protect our sisters from everything, a promise that should not need reaffirming. I know that we need to protect our sisters, but I am not ignorant to think that sometimes the tables are turned and sisters protect us. I am not against the act of a brother protecting his sister, I am agains the fact that it is impressed that only women require protection. It works both ways...
ysderby 1 year ago
Rakhri has nothing to do about inequality between men and women, but rather it has everything to do with the love between a brother and a sister. Every father, son, and brother has a duty to protect his mother, daughter and sister. Would you let your mother, daughter or sister walk out alone late at night? Of course not. Men and women have equal rights, but let's not confuse equal rights for equally built bodies. Dont be ignorant and politicize a great day for your own hateful agenda of division
brapitybrapbrap 1 year ago
@brapitybrapbrap I would not allow them to walk out alone late at night. But equally I would not allow my father, son or brother walk out alone late at night, I personally feel an equal responsibility for both sexes not just for the females. as I explained to @4pocalyptic, sisters have protected brothers in many cases and my yearning is to make others understand that it works both ways and that tying some thread on a brothers arm...
ysderby 1 year ago
@ysderby Where in the celebration Rakhri does it say do not to protect your father, son or brother as well? Any good human being will protect his family. The point is - women's bodies are not built equally to men. If that were God's purpose, there would be only one sex. Women have child bearing hips and breasts for a purpose. Men have muscle and a greater aggression due to testosterone for a reason. Having equal rights in social conditions is not the same as equally built bodies. Cont'd below...
brapitybrapbrap 1 year ago
@ysderby Men's bodies ARE better equipped to protect women. It's a biological fact. That is why you don't see co-ed olympics. That's why most cases of domestic violence is against WOMEN. If you fail to realize that, then you fail to realize the truths of nature and of God, and you're truly being ignorant. I implore you to take down this video and rethink your political agenda and stop causing division. India is stronger united now then ever before. Don't set our country back.
brapitybrapbrap 1 year ago
@brapitybrapbrap My political agenda is tied to my religious being, the spirit of which was infused within me by the sixth master when he created the idea of Miri & Piri, the spiritual and temporal. My 'political agenda' is not to cause divisions but to irradiate falsehoods, I do not refute that both sexes have different strengths and weaknesses, but my friend, I do refute that one is required to tie a piece of string to represent that one will protect another... I do refute that it is... cont'd
ysderby 1 year ago
@ysderby I think you're too focused on the literal meaning of the string and assume the protection is a one way treaty. I think it's well understood that family protects family - it's a two way relationship. However, knowing men have biological differences from woman and do have a stronger physical capacity than women - that doesn't take away from the resolve of women - instead just shows that we understand those physical differences and thus must act in accordance. Anything less is ignorant.
brapitybrapbrap 1 year ago
@brapitybrapbrap I agree with you completely that there are physical differences in men and women and that in most cases men tend to be stronger physically. But I am refuting the string, why is it tied? There is no power within it! The instinct to protect one's family comes from within not an external object such as a bit of cotton. This is a falsehood within the Sikh religion. I am not here to convince you to stop, that is up to you, just to convey what Guru Nanak Dev Ji taught.
KS
ysderby 1 year ago
@brapitybrapbrap only men who protect women. We only have to look into history to see the strength of women, their resolve! I apologise I will not be able to entertain your request to take down this video, I instead implore you to rethink where you stand. Are you on the side of the pandit who tried to tie a janoo on Guru Nanak Dev Ji's wrist? Or on the side of the First Master whose aim was to remove falsehoods from people's minds and replace them with the love of Waheguru!
Gurfateh!
K Singh
ysderby 1 year ago
its more affection really! I have 3 first cousin sisters,due to hectic lifestyles we all hardly see each other! That 1 day in a year is just a marker that despite any diffs we all have our rishta will always b strong. Its not religion its just a token of love between bro n sis thats all
Vasco1701 1 year ago
@Vasco1701 I accept that many people do not see it as what it was originally set up that is not what we are arguing. But why do we need such a day which bathes in such inequality for the basis to meet? You admit this is not religion, but why not use one of the actual Gurpurbs to meet, maybe even go to the gurdwara. I am under the assumption you are a Sikh, but if you are not please accept my apologies.
ysderby 1 year ago
@ysderby Paaji thanx for allowing my comment! I do try to go to gurpurbs where I can! My cousin sisters are young and their Mothers not only r not religious they also try divide us all up! I just live with Hobsons Choice! Family politics! My cousins are equal to me,if i refuse it wud hurt their feelings i tried it once!
Vasco1701 1 year ago
@ysderby Ive tried to not do rakhri Once b4 because i was told it wasnt a religious thing! But it rocked the boat and hurt the feelings of my Cousin Sisters who are still young! It also gave their Mums ammo against me and my family! Im just trying to live around certain things at this moment in time brother!
Vasco1701 1 year ago
@Vasco1701 We are both on the same page, it is only that you cannot act upon how you feel. Don't worry about it, guruji knows what is in your heart and how you truly feel. Take care Ji...
KS
ysderby 1 year ago
@ysderby paaji thanks for understanding this dilemna! It can be complicated in Punjabi Households! I Hope and pray for guidance
Vasco1701 1 year ago
I tie Rakhri on my brothers only as a way of showing them I love them. I don't do it to get any form of protection from them. As in we have a mothers day, fathers day and I treat Rakhri as 'brother's day' to tell my brothers how much i love and respect them.
JJatti 1 year ago
@JJatti Bhenji, I agree that some may tie Rakhrian on their brothers to show love, but its original meaning was a promise from a brother that he would protect his sister. In Sikhi, this wasn't the case, both Brothers and Sisters protected each other regardless of a thread. It is sweet that you treat this day as a 'brother's day' but would time not be spent more usefully if you discussed about Guruji and his teachings rather than tying threads? (Not to imply you don't already) Bhul Chuk Muaaf! KS
ysderby 1 year ago
boht vadiya video bnayi veerji saade boht saare veer hon ta tikke v laun lagg paye ne rakhri vaale din :(
ohioji 2 years ago
Well said.
singhtothecore 3 years ago