Main problem with asking for a recommendation is if the linesman said it was red welsh fans would have accused the officials of bias. Even though im welsh i think 2 things of the wales-ireland game
1)-Bradley Davies should have been red
2)-Stephen Ferris' 'spear' was only a penalty and not a yellow. RANT OVER :)
If this is red card how is Davies tackle against ireland a yellow???!!!! Davies dropped the irish player from shoulder hight!! CHEATS!! Two years in a row the welsh cheated against ireland in the six nations!!!
I agree that BD's tackle should have been a red, but whether it was red or yellow really wouldn't have influenced the game much. If he had scored the final try then I would agree with you, but this didn't happen, and neither was he instrumental in setting it up.
@Tlevids You're right. But it's vitally important that we don't only scrutinise decisions when they really matter. If it had been the last minute it should still be scrutinised. TMO should be used in these situations. The ref shouldn't have asked for a recommendation. Turned horizontal = Red. That's all he needs to know. Rules are rules.
According to the rule book it's probably a red card.
But how often do we see it actually get a red? 9 times out of 10 it's a yellow card! We were desperately unlucky to have a ref that was intent on enforcing the law to its fullest.
I think it was a red card as he could have seriously injured Clerc. it wasnt intentinal i know, but was extremely dangerous and it was a potentially career ending tackle... THUMBS UP IF YA AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT
Did Clerc lean back slightly? I agree it was a violent tackle and a definite yellow No malicious intent an intended dump tackle but warbuton lost his grip on clerc. But alain rolland should have at least gone to the TMO or touch judge. Another game:
Wales 19-9 England
Rolland gifted england 2 penalties and practically ignored them in the rucks.
I think rolland may have shown bias. It might have not been deliberate but i think he did
Alain Romain has something wrong with him, he has completely ruined the world cup. France did not deserve to go through although Wales should have capitalised on the penalty chances they received after the card.
Never ever would the IRB allow a half welsh, welsh speaking ref, who spends a lot of time in Wales ref a match where Wales are competing, incompetent morons.
This is technically a red card offence and I'm not arguing with the decision but given that it's 18 minutes in, it's the world cup semi final and he's the welsh captain, the referee should have at least consulted with his touch judge before brandishing red
I am a supporter of the France team and for me it was a yellow card for not to distort the game! Anyway congratulations Wales thank you for dreaming! Stay tuned for the 6 Nations tournament but happiness! Long live the rugby
red card is wat they get for a tackle of that sought these days, i saw a red card in a heineken cup game aswell recently for this offence does any1 think they are over analyzing this rule sometime. but i think sam was unlucky world cup semi no malicious intent the captain and wales best player...... and dont forget the drama the frogs acted out.... considering all this yellow at best!!!
there is no way in the world that you can say that was legal . its wasnt. the rule states that you cant bring someones legs above horizontal. he was completely upside down. also Wartburto was in no control of his landing. therefore its an obvious penalty
but i dont think it was malicious or intentional. but it was clumsy and reckless. it deserved a yellow and nothing more
In all honesty i think the tackle was fine, but it was the refs fault all up. The ref was to quick to call the red call. If he went to sideline refs and camera refs then at least it would've been a fair call if he took the time to make the call, then fine, but he was a cock sucker about it. Im a kiwi and i think if the welsh were to play in the final i think it would've been a different result.
stop getting rugby alike football . gay and shitty , just good to be played by second hand sports from dubai or antarctica . yellow card for a agressive atitude would be more than enough
Any other ref would have given a yellow, but it is a red card by the letter of the law. A law which should be changed, rugby is getting too soft. I wonder if wales would still be ranked 8th if this wouldnt have happened. Hmm.
@robbie9linton Exactly right, and what a lot of people forget is that the match officals cannot use television replays to judge on foul play. When i saw the tackle live Definite Red went though my head and that is all Rolland is allowed to see. On the replay which we all are allowed to see and judge on, it was a yellow at best.
But rolland cannot use the Tv replay he has to call it as he sees it and he had no hesitation with the Red Card and neither would I
Never a red. This is not Welsh bias either, many other neutral players and authorities agree it was the wrong decision but yes, there were some that thought it was. If France hadn't made such a show out of it, it would have merely been a penalty and stern talking to. Far more dangerous tackles in this World Cup yet for some reason this one was red carded. Poor call from Rolland.
@floppykid He admitted it was a dangerous tackle which, I agree, it was. But not worthy of a red in comparison to other dangerous tackles of the tournament. I stand by my argument - harsh call, inconsistent with the championship overall. And this is not the first time Rolland has been criticised for making a wrong call.
@floppykid Yes well at least he dropped him and didn't drive him down. He could have done some real damage if he had really wanted to, he's probably got about 20 kilos on Clerc. But I'm glad he got out fine, I heard they made up on the flight back anyways.
@floppykid Completely agree, and I have no doubts that he will go on to have a great career and be a phenomenal captain for Wales. Fantastic player and seems like a really great guy.
it was rthe french guys' teamate's fault for giving him a hospital pass. and also the fucking fogs couldve been yellowed for complaining to the ref. this isnt soccer.
im nuetral and was actuallt shoating for wales in this match but clearly was a red. you cant pick a guy up turn him upside down nd drop him on his head. the welsh are the only ones deneying it aswell as you can hear by the bias commentator.
No one has ever been taught to tackle like that. I wasn't and no doubt any rugby players reading this weren't either. He gave the ref a decision to make and he made it. Only got himself to blame.
Trying to take out one of france's only attacking threats - Nothing wrong with that, sam warbuton should a got a penalty and clerc should have been sent off.
When you tackle you are suppose to drive upwards as well, if he had have grabbed his stomach not his thighs it would've been a fine tackle. The ref is half French and fluent so is bias anyway
I'm glad it was a red card. It wasn't malicious, Wales aren't a dirty side. But the fact of the matter is these kind of tackles can destroy a players(the victim of the tackle) career. Remember O'Driscoll being speared in the 2005 Lions. I am in no way comparing the two incidents, as the O'Driscoll one was most definitely malicious, but these are bone breaking types of tackles, and when you talk about breaking bones so close to the neck, the line has to be drawn there.
as a welshman, my first thoughts were obviously going to be a yellow.. having time to calm down and look at things i dont think this decision was the reason wales lost, hook and jones had a shocker with the kicks and thats the reason we lost. was it a red? still undecided, but rolland was enforcing the rules of the game but maybe should have considered the occasion and that there was no mallice intended by sam and probably should have consulted with the other officials before making a decision
Well now that this situation is out of the way has anyone anything to say on Joubert's performance in the final, a part from going into the stand and presenting the cup to The All Blacks he sure is a weak ref, some of his dicision against France were crazy
Yellow card watch how warburton let's go of the frog in the air meaning that from that point its not his responsibility he knew what he did wrong and if he held on then that would be a spear also look at how he falls to the ground with the frog
Yellow card watch how warburton let's go of the frog in the air meaning that from that point its not his responsibility he knew what he did wrong and if he held on then that would be a spear also look at how he falls to the ground with the frog
yellow card. it looked like a complete acident that he didnt put him down with care its not a spear tackle he lands on his upper back! it looked worse than it was because all the french got worked up about it
I m sorry ... that's a red card. 100% red. Spears tackle are illegal and it has been reported multiplle times that a spear tackle is a red card right away.
The ref did have a "knee jerk" reaction to this hit. They just finished showing the top 5 hits for the entire World Cup and the Number 2 hit was much more SEVERE than the Sam Warburton's hit, with NO card whatsoever. Many games are at the whim of the referees, but then again they can't be everywhere and see every thing. But to RED card a player like that does impact the game in a HUGE way.
It was a dangerous tackle but there was no malicious intent imo. A yellow card would have been enough punishment I think. It's all very well people saying that Rolland was applying the letter of the law but there were a number of high tackles by the All blacks in today's final against the French that went unpunished. Let's have some consistency IRB/refs.
No one's answering so i'll ask again - if the ref was incorrect/harsh/knee-jerk reaction in giving a red card then why didn't wales appeal against warburton's ban? Interesting no one seems to want to respond to this.
Was the Ref an Irish Frenchman or a French Irishman.We beat one of his teams so he made sure we would not beat his other team.Hang your heah in shame IRB for not appointing a neutral ref but then coming out and supporting him
i remember when a spear tackle involved ramming your opponents head through the turf. this was nothin dangerous, just a very good tackle. he just picked him up and dropped him, clerc didnt even fall on his head. you might as well make it a non-contact sport if you're going to ban that sort of thing
A very harsh, knee jerk reaction from a half french referee who should never have been on the field. He really didn't have to brandish the red. Poor kicking was the ultimate reason we lost however, but to have a half french ref officiating was a disgrace. Put yourself in our shoes. Imagine if a half welsh ref is officiating when Wales are playing your team speaking welsh to the players. Catch my drift?
Anyone who thinks this was red has never played rugby. Tackles like this happen time and time again. Some are malicious, granted, and if that's the case a red card should be issued. But this was just a small bloke running into a big bloke. I'm 6ft 3 and have done this exact type of tackle in a match. No malice. Just hit hard and the smaller guys weight did the rest. I got a yellow card and people though that was harsh. Warburton took the danger out of this tackle. The red card ruined the game.
@w423350 why would they? First of all the IRB only banned him for 3 weeks (which in my opinion shows they were only backing him because they didn't want the ref to be in the shit) and even if the ban was appealed succesfully, it wouldn't have gotten them anything, they would still be out and it would've been a waste of time. If you think he should've been sent off, you have clearly never experienced an intense game of rugby.
@miniflek if the referee was wrong why would you not appeal? the decision not to appeal shows warburton was guilty of an illegal tackle whereby the tackled player is 'turned and dropped from height' under the IRB laws. Nothing to do with the intensity of a game, just to do with the laws. the ref doesn't make the laws.
@w423350 If the ref was there to stick to the rules in every single situation the game would be more of a "stop and start" kind of game, especially in this kind of situatuion the ref should've gave him a yellow and let the game flow more freely because when the red card was given it essentially changed the match, it was bad that we missed all the opportunites but the decision was contreversial to say the least. It's been said many times that by law it was a red but refs are there to give the ...
Its definitely a red, could have broken Clerc's neck. I think the parallels to Umaga and Mealamu are right. They should have been sent off just like Warburton. Difference is I dont think there was malicious intent in Warburtons tackle, but unfortunately he has to face the consequences
@Thejsmith1892 It's a dangerous tackle, but I don't think it's malicious in the slightest, he hits like a brick wall does Warburton. Among the hardest hitters, if not THE hardest hitter in the northern hemisphere. When someone his size hits a midget like Clerc, the laws of physics would dictate that the smaller of the two is gonna' flip and bounce all over the place. Bit like hitting a balloon. A yellow would have sufficed.
@quaecky I agree with you in the sense that there was no malicious intent in the tackle and that someone with Warburtons size and technique in contact, Clerc was always going to come off badly. I think Warburton had him on the air, thought it was turning into a spear, so thought letting go of him was a better idea but unfortunately he landed on his neck. If he landed on the flat of his back, I think he would have gotten away with a yellow, but i still stand by my opinion of a red unfortunately
The ref was well within his rights to send him off.. The way some people are going on you'd swear Warburton was the victim. It was a stupid and dangerous tackle..end of. Why aren't welsh people angry with him for putting himself and his team mates in that situation. Or the welsh kickers for missing the chances that would have seen them past the pityful french. Even with 14 men they should have won.So don't blame the ref. Only yerselfs to blame.So man up and quit bitching like englishmen
Decision was correct,but as it was a world cup semi final,the ref ,who ever was appointed should have given a yellow card and let the citing panel decide whether it was a illegal tackle and Sam Warburton would have been given a lengthy suspension.
i saw something worse, but i think it's a red card: dangerous, useless, he didn't go down with the french... i don't think the red card is too much for this kind of tackle, maybe it could also be yellow, but the referee sent him off.. referee is always right, unfortunately.. then we can speak about how france had been lucky in this RWC, and how wales was playing well.. if sam didn't do that, wales would have tought to france how to play rugby: that is a pity not only for wales..
It should have been a yellow at most not a red you can see he new what was happening and tries to let go but it was to late i disagree with a red card and the ref new Sam wasn't a dirty tackler. Yellow at most . Thumbs up if you agree!
@MultiAwsomeo3000 Doesn't matter if he's not a dirty tackler even though he tried something similar a week before on o' Gara he still broke the rules. Look up the fucking rules and you'd know that it was a well deserved red card.
@suppernoddypo2k7 spot on .. he done the same to o gara and heaslip I think in the first half.. except some team mates were on hand to support them on the way down.. He's fond of picking and driving guys, Can't have any complaints .. straight red.
spot on .. he done the same to o gara and heaslip I think in the first half.. except some team mates were on hand to support them on the way down.. He's fond of picking and driving guys, Can't have any complaints .. straight red.
@suppernoddypo2k7 yup ive been saying the same thing, hes got a habit of lifting guys when he tackles & gatland needs to get in his ear & tell him 2 knock that shit on the head
Totally justified red card. Still, I don't know if it was a player from NZ, Australia or RSA they would just sent him off like that. E.G. McCaw is mostly in offside, joins rucks from the sides and no ref gave a penalty for that. Please, don't missunderstand me, I think that All Blacks shown a superiority that will pay with the cup for them and no ref helped them, still I saw some permissions for NZ, e.g. always some seconds more to release the ball.
Vincent Clerc: Less than four inches away from spending the rest of his life in a wheelchair and being fed through a tube. Severing the cervical spine will do that to you. This decision was a watershed... we are going to see a LOT more red cards issued from now on for this type of tackle, until players learn not to lift opponents when they have grasped them below the hips.
@smartcooky99 "Less than four inches away from spending the rest of his life in a wheelchair" WHat are you talking about? Was he invloved in a near miss car accident whilst leaving the stadium? Maybe a freak shooting incident?
I can only come to the conclusion that the idiots who say this incident was the reason Wales lost switched off straight after the card was shown. Wales lost by a single point after missing several scoring opportunities and one Stephen Jones completely bottling the chance of a drop goal in the final seconds. Warburton's sending off impacted the game immensely, but Wales had their chances (many, many of them), but didn't take any of them. Deal with it.
@EmeraldNK Its not that simple mate, the stats show when teams lose a man to the sin-bin they concede, on average, 6-7 points during the ten minutes they're down to 14 men. So losing your captain and star player for over an hour is like having six yellow cards in one game, even the all blacks wouldn't expect to win then would they?? The fact we still could have won shows how poor the french were on the day...a glorious chance gone begging thanks to an over-zealous ref decision, pity
@tdavies456 Clearly, the stats in this case did not apply to Wales, then. I would love to see a link to these stats, but for now I'll let that go. I agree with you, the French played very badly on the day, Wales should have won... but they didn't, they had plenty of chances, but they didn't. A glorious chance gone begging because your most experienced player bottled it. It was not over-zealous, he applied the rules of the game to the letter. If only more referees could do the same.
@EmeraldNK "he applied the rules of the game to the letter. If only more referees could do the same"i wonder if the people who say this sort of thing are fans of rugby ?if a ref applies the letter of the law then the game is finished .he will have to blow up literally every 30 seconds .it is not the job of the ref not to enforce the rules to the letter of the law as some think,a good ref is a manager of the game and in this case he failed .
@MUDSHARK111 What is that supposed to mean? Of course I'm a fan of Rugby, what a stupid, irritatingly arrogant thing to say. Don't be stupid. Laws are there to be interpreted by the referee in the context of the game. In this particular case, this is not a rule left to interpretation. It is a dangerous tackle and the IRB want to see less of it, therefore, it is a red card regardless of intent. If players are not intelligent enough to take this on board and be more careful with these tackles...
@EmeraldNK Strong, physical games are tough and exciting to watch more often than not, but making stupid tackles is just stupid, no matter what the context of the game.
@EmeraldNK "Strong, physical games are tough and exciting to watch more often than not, but making stupid tackles is just stupid, no matter what the context of the game." there you go again leaving me wondering about how much of a fan you are .17 stone vs 12 semi finals biggest game of his life . the result hardly a surprise. did you expect sam to way up whether it was a big French player or a small French he was tackling.lol
@MUDSHARK111 So, what? He was blindfolded? He shut his eyes? Vincent Clerc is invisible? Or do you just think Sam Warburton hasn't the intelligence to look before he tackles? Not sure what your point is. Many players in many sports get sent off for having excess adrenaline or letting the occasion get to them... Is this a case for having more stupid tackles made per game? More injuries giving the game a better rep, having more youth wanting to play? What's your point?
@EmeraldNK "Sam Warburton hasn't the intelligence to look before he tackles?" Sam Warburton hasn't the intelligence to look before he tackles? the idea that a player is supposed to determine who he is tackling ,know his size his weight, and then tackle with the appropriate force need to stop that particular player is absurd .
@MUDSHARK111 I never made any indication that Warburton should have played "Guess the weight" before tackling. But if you are a big forward and about to tackle a lighter, smaller back you should anticipate the likelihood of the player being lifted, and in that situation, make sure you return him to the ground safely, which Warburton failed to do. Why am I arguing with someone who seems not to understand the rules? Or the point of the argument?
@EmeraldNK . "Why am I arguing with someone who seems not to understand the rules? Or the point of the argument?" and i am "debating" ,look at the title of the vid, not arguing with someone ,who not only does not seem to know his own mind, having contradicted himself, but does not seem to understand that pedantically enforced rules are not desirable in a game such as rugby . and where he a true fan/player of the game as he insists, he would know this with out be having to explain it to him .
Where have I contradicted myself? So Alain Rolland is a pedant for following the rules he was trained to follow... Oh, referees should have followed the rules that people think they know, instead of the real rules. Oh yes, Rolland? Pedant, indeed. Debating/Arguing, fine line when it come to YouTube arguments. I never insisted, I am a fan of Rugby without having to be told or accepted by you. I love the game. I know the rules. I know how and why we play by the rules, and how not to.
@EmeraldNK Includes knowing how to accept when I am wrong. Unlike some. If Wales were gifted the winning try due to a simple knock-on that wasn't noticed you would be lauding on some YouTube video about how Wales were brilliant and how France shouldn't be so pedantically clinging to the rules to justify their loss. Except this was actually a dangerous infringement of the rules. Why should players learn how to play the game if they aren't going to play by the rules? Get a clue, then reply.
@EmeraldNK "Get a clue, then reply" you dont even know when you hav contradicted yourself so i will point it out for a third time "I'm not speaking for any other referees' decisions in the world cup. If they wanted to let the tackle go, fine"to "this is not a rule left to interpretation" take your own advise and and at leat know your own mind .so whats it gona be"If they wanted to let the tackle go, fine"or "this is not a rule left to interpretation"lol you get clue.and then reply .
@MUDSHARK111 My point was that I'm arguing this particular decision. I also asked you to point me in the direction of these other tackles you speak of, which you haven't done. So as I said, get a clue, then reply.
@EmeraldNK "My point was that I'm arguing this particular decision." so you concede you have a double standard .you support the ref decision in this match strongly enough to debate the point but If other refs" wanted to let the tackle go, fine"?
@EmeraldNK nonsense, of course its open to interpretation, and should be .far worse more dangerous incidents occurred after this, yet no red no yellow not even a penalty for 2 of the worst .so if its not open to interpretation why are the ref's not in front of the IRB explaining why they have ignored a rule "not left to interpretation?"
@MUDSHARK111 I'm not speaking for any other referees' decisions in the world cup. If they wanted to let the tackle go, fine. As a matter of interest, what are these tackles you're referring to? Maybe the ref's ARE being asked questions about these things.
@EmeraldNK you see no contradiction in "I'm not speaking for any other referees' decisions in the world cup. If they wanted to let the tackle go, fine" to "this is not a rule left to interpretation" so this is a rule not left to interpenetration but is the ref wants to interpret it a differently way than that's fine with you ?
@EmeraldNK You want a link to these stats? you only have to google to find out about this stuff, its not difficult (youtube won't let me post links). ...anyway, if every rule of the game was applied to the letter of the law there wouldn't be a game, not one that would be worth watching anyway. Its pretty clear that what we need most from officials is common sense, yet people like you seem to want to go the other way and ruin the game for everybody with your convoluted, pedantic 'rules'.
@tdavies456 Alright then, if that's what you think I have said, fair enough. I'm not arguing these points anymore. By the way... Davies... is that a Welsh name? We can continue this argument at a later date when one of your players has been seriously injured due to a spear tackle with no action from the referee or IRB and see which side you're on. Of course, the likelihood that this will actually happen have now been lessened, thanks to this decision. Don't expect a reply from me.
@EmeraldNK Stop being a fanny, if anyone gets seriously injured from a spear tackle then obviously a red card is justified followed by a hefty ban. But that wasn't the case here, Clerc was fine to carry on, you're just making a meal out of nothing. The likelihood of a player getting seriously injured is no less likely due to the basic nature of rugby, if you're so concerned about player safety then the powers that be may as well ban rugby altogether for being such a dangerous game.
look the problem here is the fact that referees have not been giving red cards for tackles like this. so we are used to seeing chicken refs go for the yellow and when you see the ref make the right decision it costs wales the game. however i must stress it is the right decision his feet are 5 foot in the air when his head makes contact with the ground. unacceptable tackle
i'm welsh and at the time i was disgusted by the call but by looking back on it ,it is a dangerous tackle yes, and the law of rugby is, if you lift a player in the tackle its your job to bring him back down safely, unfortunately for warburton the momentum of the move brought yashvilli's legs over his head and he released him before he touched the floor, so yes it was a red card. thats the rules of the sport we love. if a french player did that we'd say the same.
@agt155 what are you on about, its quiet clear not with standing the tackle Warburton dropped him, left him in mid air which ever you prefer so your argument is rubbish
@pman1919ify Warburton deliberately did not slam him down, or drop him on his head, therefore he was responsible for the tackle being safe. Tackling a player onto their back in Rugby is not considered dangerous play, or do you think it is?
@suppernoddypo2k7 Sour grapes?? I'm neutral so don't really care. It just ruined the world cup and makes rugby look poofy. France are a terrible side, and will do well to keep within 30 points of the Blacks. I was trying to convince some NFL fan mates that Rugby was the real mans sport, how can I after that red card? They laughed their asses off.
@agt155 Because pussies who wear pads before coming into contact have ANYTHING to laugh at? Why do you have to convince anyone? Why do you care? It is a real mans SPORT. So fucking what? They have Baseball (Boring as fuck), Basketball (Non-contact, wimpy sport) and NFL (Pad-wearing nancy sport). What more ammunition do you need? Jesus this macho-manly shite annoys me.
@agt155 I think the tackle is VERY dangerous. Pause at 0:40 or 0:47 and you'll see that if Clerc had landed merly inches higher up his back, he'd have landed right on the top of his spine. This can leave him with permanent paralysis, a broken neck, or death. Rugby is a GAME, if you want to see people seriously hurt, go start a barfight. Rugby is a great game, it's tough, and players take a beating each and every game, but I'll be damned if I want to see players being seriously injured in game.
@EmeraldNK So what you are saying is that it was quite close to being a dangerous tackle? Warburton was in a position where he could have driven Clerc's head into the ground with force, he chose not to though, for Clerc's safety, and instead made sure that he landed on his back.
That was certainly a red card. The referee's call complied with the rules and the IRB memo sent to referee's AND players before the tournament. It's Warburton's fault and the rest is just sour grapes. Wales still had the beating of France but they missed their kicks as well as after the French sat back and started kicking the ball to Wales the Welsh did just the same back which was a a bad tactical from Gatland. No way was it a fair tackle and the Rolland got it completely right.
That's definetly for a yellow card, it was a very dangerous tackle.. the red card was very exaggerated .. the referee is the same referee in the match Argentina against England, he sucks!
@MateLtkd Look if the guy broke his neck with the impact and the ref gave yellow he'd look a fool also your incorrect in the match official for England V Argentina It was Bryce Lawerence of New Zealand not Rolland
That is definetly just a talking to. It was a fair tackle, rugby is a violent sport. That was a terrible call from the ref. I think it was rash and unneeded. It spoiled the game. It was definetly only a talking to. I mean its the semi finals for christ sake, what are they gonna do play tag rugby...NO. It was a horrible call and Wales deserve to play in the finals. Or maybe even win.
@11828798 Rugby is not a violent sport its a game for the small guy the chubby guy the tall guy and small guy i.e any one can play this brilliant game, thats why the Laws of the game protect the large strong guy from lifting and fucking a smaller guy head neck back what ever you want on the ground, you are right it spoiled the game but the ref went on the laws that put him there in the first place.
@pman1919ify i know man he brought the guy down to the ground and that is a rule where if you take the guy up you have to bring him down. And he did (sort of). And i just think the ref made a rash desicion. As you can tell i am a bit biased towards wales. but yeah
Come to think about it, what Yashvilli did in this clip was known as a "Hospital Pass" when I was playing rugby. Watch the pass again, which Dmitri Yashvilli (good French name, by the way...!) makes without looking to a small player who's got a great big hariy forward bearing down on him
Clouds & Silver Linings... I'd have loved to see Martyn Williams brought in to play on Frida vs. Oz for his 100th Welsh cap - not gonna happen though! Sad
YELLOW not RED - Sam's left arm does raise the leg of the Frenchman, which is dangerous, but he then let go. Yellow OK but never Red... Referees should be compelled to consult with Assistants and/or Video-Ref whenever a RED is being considered in games at this level. Killed the competition.... would've been a fantastic Wales vs NZ final, and not the damp squib I'm predicting on Sunday, when NZ will be runaway winners
red card without discussion
Borowic5 15 hours ago
omfg im welsh my self, ye it was a bad tackle but not worth red crickeyyy bradley davies tackle against irland on 9 feb 012 tha was red shouldav
mongoTV777 6 days ago
yellow card is what it should've been
RED WTF too harsh !!!!!! BAD decicion ALAN ROLAN :|
MsEddie98 1 week ago
Yellow cox he did drop him but a sweet hit none the less
englandrugbyrules 2 weeks ago
@channelnw
Main problem with asking for a recommendation is if the linesman said it was red welsh fans would have accused the officials of bias. Even though im welsh i think 2 things of the wales-ireland game
1)-Bradley Davies should have been red
2)-Stephen Ferris' 'spear' was only a penalty and not a yellow. RANT OVER :)
H4RR15K1D 3 weeks ago
Yellow. Simples
MadocNco 3 weeks ago
If this is red card how is Davies tackle against ireland a yellow???!!!! Davies dropped the irish player from shoulder hight!! CHEATS!! Two years in a row the welsh cheated against ireland in the six nations!!!
flimslaaxfalera 4 weeks ago
@flimslaaxfalera
I agree that BD's tackle should have been a red, but whether it was red or yellow really wouldn't have influenced the game much. If he had scored the final try then I would agree with you, but this didn't happen, and neither was he instrumental in setting it up.
Tlevids 4 weeks ago
@Tlevids You're right. But it's vitally important that we don't only scrutinise decisions when they really matter. If it had been the last minute it should still be scrutinised. TMO should be used in these situations. The ref shouldn't have asked for a recommendation. Turned horizontal = Red. That's all he needs to know. Rules are rules.
channelnw 4 weeks ago
Yellow card sin bin 10 minutes
taylor1654 1 month ago
seen worse tackles in under 10s never a sending off, an nothing to do with french/irish ref
boogieboy1974 1 month ago
Red card, end of discussion.
ClarkeForPresident 1 month ago
fucking french twat deserves it
hinowgetlost 1 month ago
Very dangerouse for his back je suis francais et on ne meritait de gagner le match but on devait gagner la final
homernirvana44 1 month ago
According to the rule book it's probably a red card.
But how often do we see it actually get a red? 9 times out of 10 it's a yellow card! We were desperately unlucky to have a ref that was intent on enforcing the law to its fullest.
Cymru am Byth!
ronaldinhollew 1 month ago
it should have been a yellow
hainesrla29 2 months ago
I think it was a red card as he could have seriously injured Clerc. it wasnt intentinal i know, but was extremely dangerous and it was a potentially career ending tackle... THUMBS UP IF YA AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT
irishmurph123 2 months ago
that is the most biased commentary iv heard in a while!! watch closely clerc lands on his head it wasnt intential bt cud of done serious damage!!!
harefavourites 2 months ago
@harefavourites he quite clearly landed on his back you dunce
Ridgeyray 1 month ago
Fritz tackle =
RED CARD ! :)
This one is more dangerous, red card anyway.
Tourterellebleue 2 months ago
Did Clerc lean back slightly? I agree it was a violent tackle and a definite yellow No malicious intent an intended dump tackle but warbuton lost his grip on clerc. But alain rolland should have at least gone to the TMO or touch judge. Another game:
Wales 19-9 England
Rolland gifted england 2 penalties and practically ignored them in the rucks.
I think rolland may have shown bias. It might have not been deliberate but i think he did
H4RR15K1D 2 months ago
Alain Romain has something wrong with him, he has completely ruined the world cup. France did not deserve to go through although Wales should have capitalised on the penalty chances they received after the card.
callumcudders 2 months ago
Never ever would the IRB allow a half welsh, welsh speaking ref, who spends a lot of time in Wales ref a match where Wales are competing, incompetent morons.
thedekutree 3 months ago
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I think it was a yellow but who cares he fucking NAILED HIM!!!
117Rugby 3 months ago
I think it was a yellow but who cares he fucking NAILED HIM!!!
117Rugby 3 months ago
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It was a red card plain and simple. Warburton himself admited he deserved to get sent off. End of.
ClarkeForPresident 3 months ago
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ClarkeForPresident 3 months ago
This is technically a red card offence and I'm not arguing with the decision but given that it's 18 minutes in, it's the world cup semi final and he's the welsh captain, the referee should have at least consulted with his touch judge before brandishing red
TheRimminator101 3 months ago
I am a supporter of the France team and for me it was a yellow card for not to distort the game! Anyway congratulations Wales thank you for dreaming! Stay tuned for the 6 Nations tournament but happiness! Long live the rugby
Jean de France
27jeanv 3 months ago
red card is wat they get for a tackle of that sought these days, i saw a red card in a heineken cup game aswell recently for this offence does any1 think they are over analyzing this rule sometime. but i think sam was unlucky world cup semi no malicious intent the captain and wales best player...... and dont forget the drama the frogs acted out.... considering all this yellow at best!!!
MrNipsi 3 months ago
red card 100% ! it may cause an injury ! he dropped him !
Topinambour31 3 months ago
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Topinambour31 3 months ago
Yellow
AdamDerossi1 3 months ago 2
there is no way in the world that you can say that was legal . its wasnt. the rule states that you cant bring someones legs above horizontal. he was completely upside down. also Wartburto was in no control of his landing. therefore its an obvious penalty
but i dont think it was malicious or intentional. but it was clumsy and reckless. it deserved a yellow and nothing more
123445706 3 months ago 2
"What do you think should of happend??"
I think you should have stayed in school long enough to be able to write properly.
OutOnBailNow 3 months ago
@OutOnBailNow In school you learn to write properly, staying in school for a long time has nothing to do with it.
taweraster 3 months ago
frog milked it :/
GamingCOproductions 3 months ago
In all honesty i think the tackle was fine, but it was the refs fault all up. The ref was to quick to call the red call. If he went to sideline refs and camera refs then at least it would've been a fair call if he took the time to make the call, then fine, but he was a cock sucker about it. Im a kiwi and i think if the welsh were to play in the final i think it would've been a different result.
Ecan3m 3 months ago
If thats a red card then im converting to League. Fuck watching a full on contact sport turn like Association Football
stegorm 3 months ago
Yellow card
adamsapple478 3 months ago 2
No way was it a red, we would have won the whole thing if it weren't for that ref
contender2422 3 months ago
stop getting rugby alike football . gay and shitty , just good to be played by second hand sports from dubai or antarctica . yellow card for a agressive atitude would be more than enough
mihneadds 3 months ago
What a flipping good tackle on that French faker
MrSimoneese 3 months ago
Any other ref would have given a yellow, but it is a red card by the letter of the law. A law which should be changed, rugby is getting too soft. I wonder if wales would still be ranked 8th if this wouldnt have happened. Hmm.
watrobatron27 3 months ago
@robbie9linton Exactly right, and what a lot of people forget is that the match officals cannot use television replays to judge on foul play. When i saw the tackle live Definite Red went though my head and that is all Rolland is allowed to see. On the replay which we all are allowed to see and judge on, it was a yellow at best.
But rolland cannot use the Tv replay he has to call it as he sees it and he had no hesitation with the Red Card and neither would I
RefereeHB21 3 months ago
NEVER, NEVER, NEVER a red - the referee ruined a world cup semi which made for a dull and unimaginative final with france being there
scoffers0 4 months ago
@scoffers0 dull and unimaginative, mate did you even watch the final?
sohailsabar4 3 months ago
@scoffers0 I take it you didn't actually watch the final....
BlckComb 3 months ago
@scoffers0 Read the rules. It clearly states within the rules that was a red card.
ItsRMD 3 months ago
YELLOW
scoffers0 4 months ago
i say if he just held on to him he'd be fine
TB4ful 4 months ago
What a super class act! Sam admitting the red card was called for!
Just unbelievable class - no wonder he's admired in Wales and far beyond including the ref's home Ireland.
mjw12345 4 months ago
Never a red. This is not Welsh bias either, many other neutral players and authorities agree it was the wrong decision but yes, there were some that thought it was. If France hadn't made such a show out of it, it would have merely been a penalty and stern talking to. Far more dangerous tackles in this World Cup yet for some reason this one was red carded. Poor call from Rolland.
AlseAB 4 months ago
@AlseAB
Sam Warburton just admitted that Rolland made the right call and it was a deserved red card.
Eat those words.
floppykid 4 months ago
@floppykid He admitted it was a dangerous tackle which, I agree, it was. But not worthy of a red in comparison to other dangerous tackles of the tournament. I stand by my argument - harsh call, inconsistent with the championship overall. And this is not the first time Rolland has been criticised for making a wrong call.
AlseAB 4 months ago
@AlseAB
Well you're wrong.
He picked him up and dropped him on the back of his neck.
About as reckless as it gets, and as dangerous.
The Welsh can have no complaints leveled at Rolland.
floppykid 4 months ago
@floppykid Yes well at least he dropped him and didn't drive him down. He could have done some real damage if he had really wanted to, he's probably got about 20 kilos on Clerc. But I'm glad he got out fine, I heard they made up on the flight back anyways.
AlseAB 4 months ago
@AlseAB
It was reckless, and it will haunt Warburton for a long time.
I don't any can judge him as a malicious player on that tackle, just a horrible mistake.
Seems like one of the real nice guys of world rugby and I'm sure he'll have a great career for Wales/ The lions.
floppykid 4 months ago
@floppykid Completely agree, and I have no doubts that he will go on to have a great career and be a phenomenal captain for Wales. Fantastic player and seems like a really great guy.
AlseAB 4 months ago
@AlseAB Rolland was right and applied rules. Other referees failed during this tournament
duanerf1 4 months ago
it was rthe french guys' teamate's fault for giving him a hospital pass. and also the fucking fogs couldve been yellowed for complaining to the ref. this isnt soccer.
RyanKPMusic 4 months ago
I Still think its defo a red and fair play to the ref for having the balls to do it. Good refs make the right decision when it matters most.
ThePt85 4 months ago
just watched it again nd that commentator is such a retard
MrJammydodger1995 4 months ago
im nuetral and was actuallt shoating for wales in this match but clearly was a red. you cant pick a guy up turn him upside down nd drop him on his head. the welsh are the only ones deneying it aswell as you can hear by the bias commentator.
MrJammydodger1995 4 months ago
No one has ever been taught to tackle like that. I wasn't and no doubt any rugby players reading this weren't either. He gave the ref a decision to make and he made it. Only got himself to blame.
senwick100 4 months ago
Trying to take out one of france's only attacking threats - Nothing wrong with that, sam warbuton should a got a penalty and clerc should have been sent off.
ThePt85 4 months ago
When you tackle you are suppose to drive upwards as well, if he had have grabbed his stomach not his thighs it would've been a fine tackle. The ref is half French and fluent so is bias anyway
aspixatator 4 months ago
fuck off not even a yellow
MrLum007 4 months ago 2
I'm glad it was a red card. It wasn't malicious, Wales aren't a dirty side. But the fact of the matter is these kind of tackles can destroy a players(the victim of the tackle) career. Remember O'Driscoll being speared in the 2005 Lions. I am in no way comparing the two incidents, as the O'Driscoll one was most definitely malicious, but these are bone breaking types of tackles, and when you talk about breaking bones so close to the neck, the line has to be drawn there.
dazziola 4 months ago
@762SLR762 not a red card though, i just think its a yellow but after looking at it again your right about it definatly being a spear tackle :)
mikeyquirky 4 months ago
as a welshman, my first thoughts were obviously going to be a yellow.. having time to calm down and look at things i dont think this decision was the reason wales lost, hook and jones had a shocker with the kicks and thats the reason we lost. was it a red? still undecided, but rolland was enforcing the rules of the game but maybe should have considered the occasion and that there was no mallice intended by sam and probably should have consulted with the other officials before making a decision
wildavies1 4 months ago
Well now that this situation is out of the way has anyone anything to say on Joubert's performance in the final, a part from going into the stand and presenting the cup to The All Blacks he sure is a weak ref, some of his dicision against France were crazy
pman1919ify 4 months ago
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Yellow card watch how warburton let's go of the frog in the air meaning that from that point its not his responsibility he knew what he did wrong and if he held on then that would be a spear also look at how he falls to the ground with the frog
hellomom1231 4 months ago
Yellow card watch how warburton let's go of the frog in the air meaning that from that point its not his responsibility he knew what he did wrong and if he held on then that would be a spear also look at how he falls to the ground with the frog
hellomom1231 4 months ago
yellow card. it looked like a complete acident that he didnt put him down with care its not a spear tackle he lands on his upper back! it looked worse than it was because all the french got worked up about it
mikeyquirky 4 months ago
I m sorry ... that's a red card. 100% red. Spears tackle are illegal and it has been reported multiplle times that a spear tackle is a red card right away.
LEARN THE FUCKING RULES
bawzzzz 4 months ago
@bawzzzz you need to learn what a "spear tackle" actually is,,,,,that wasn't one !
dickydom9 3 months ago
The ref did have a "knee jerk" reaction to this hit. They just finished showing the top 5 hits for the entire World Cup and the Number 2 hit was much more SEVERE than the Sam Warburton's hit, with NO card whatsoever. Many games are at the whim of the referees, but then again they can't be everywhere and see every thing. But to RED card a player like that does impact the game in a HUGE way.
cassymount 4 months ago
It was a dangerous tackle but there was no malicious intent imo. A yellow card would have been enough punishment I think. It's all very well people saying that Rolland was applying the letter of the law but there were a number of high tackles by the All blacks in today's final against the French that went unpunished. Let's have some consistency IRB/refs.
bristolwelsher 4 months ago
No one's answering so i'll ask again - if the ref was incorrect/harsh/knee-jerk reaction in giving a red card then why didn't wales appeal against warburton's ban? Interesting no one seems to want to respond to this.
w423350 4 months ago
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Was the Ref an Irish Frenchman or a French Irishman.We beat one of his teams so he made sure we would not beat his other team.Hang your heah in shame IRB for not appointing a neutral ref but then coming out and supporting him
TheBluebirdkev 4 months ago
i remember when a spear tackle involved ramming your opponents head through the turf. this was nothin dangerous, just a very good tackle. he just picked him up and dropped him, clerc didnt even fall on his head. you might as well make it a non-contact sport if you're going to ban that sort of thing
zaroswarrior94 4 months ago
A very harsh, knee jerk reaction from a half french referee who should never have been on the field. He really didn't have to brandish the red. Poor kicking was the ultimate reason we lost however, but to have a half french ref officiating was a disgrace. Put yourself in our shoes. Imagine if a half welsh ref is officiating when Wales are playing your team speaking welsh to the players. Catch my drift?
Sheepshaggingtaff 4 months ago
Anyone who thinks this was red has never played rugby. Tackles like this happen time and time again. Some are malicious, granted, and if that's the case a red card should be issued. But this was just a small bloke running into a big bloke. I'm 6ft 3 and have done this exact type of tackle in a match. No malice. Just hit hard and the smaller guys weight did the rest. I got a yellow card and people though that was harsh. Warburton took the danger out of this tackle. The red card ruined the game.
Globehead08 4 months ago
@Globehead08 Where are you playing ?
bawzzzz 4 months ago
if the ref was incorrect in giving a red tred card then why didn't wales appeal against warburton's ban?
w423350 4 months ago
@w423350 why would they? First of all the IRB only banned him for 3 weeks (which in my opinion shows they were only backing him because they didn't want the ref to be in the shit) and even if the ban was appealed succesfully, it wouldn't have gotten them anything, they would still be out and it would've been a waste of time. If you think he should've been sent off, you have clearly never experienced an intense game of rugby.
miniflek 4 months ago
@miniflek if the referee was wrong why would you not appeal? the decision not to appeal shows warburton was guilty of an illegal tackle whereby the tackled player is 'turned and dropped from height' under the IRB laws. Nothing to do with the intensity of a game, just to do with the laws. the ref doesn't make the laws.
w423350 4 months ago
@w423350 If the ref was there to stick to the rules in every single situation the game would be more of a "stop and start" kind of game, especially in this kind of situatuion the ref should've gave him a yellow and let the game flow more freely because when the red card was given it essentially changed the match, it was bad that we missed all the opportunites but the decision was contreversial to say the least. It's been said many times that by law it was a red but refs are there to give the ...
miniflek 4 months ago
@w423350 right decision which isn't always exact to the law, which is why the IRB only gave a 3 week ban.
miniflek 4 months ago
@xW3lshPR3D4TOR What did he mean for him to land on? His head? A red is should be - and was.
TheLancashireladdy 4 months ago
WTF
MrAwesomeHarry 4 months ago
Its definitely a red, could have broken Clerc's neck. I think the parallels to Umaga and Mealamu are right. They should have been sent off just like Warburton. Difference is I dont think there was malicious intent in Warburtons tackle, but unfortunately he has to face the consequences
Thejsmith1892 4 months ago 5
@Thejsmith1892 It's a dangerous tackle, but I don't think it's malicious in the slightest, he hits like a brick wall does Warburton. Among the hardest hitters, if not THE hardest hitter in the northern hemisphere. When someone his size hits a midget like Clerc, the laws of physics would dictate that the smaller of the two is gonna' flip and bounce all over the place. Bit like hitting a balloon. A yellow would have sufficed.
quaecky 4 months ago
@quaecky I agree with you in the sense that there was no malicious intent in the tackle and that someone with Warburtons size and technique in contact, Clerc was always going to come off badly. I think Warburton had him on the air, thought it was turning into a spear, so thought letting go of him was a better idea but unfortunately he landed on his neck. If he landed on the flat of his back, I think he would have gotten away with a yellow, but i still stand by my opinion of a red unfortunately
Thejsmith1892 4 months ago
aful ref whats he thinking
booshabusshums 4 months ago
not a chance bad ref
booshabusshums 4 months ago
Red!!! Picks him up, twists him to drill him down!!! Very dangerous play!!! Should know better at this level of rugby!!
davidmenziesjohnston 4 months ago
how come all the pohms and welsh were saying that tana umaga should have been susspended for his tackle on BO'D but most are saying this wasnt a red?
BOGnz 4 months ago
The ref was well within his rights to send him off.. The way some people are going on you'd swear Warburton was the victim. It was a stupid and dangerous tackle..end of. Why aren't welsh people angry with him for putting himself and his team mates in that situation. Or the welsh kickers for missing the chances that would have seen them past the pityful french. Even with 14 men they should have won.So don't blame the ref. Only yerselfs to blame.So man up and quit bitching like englishmen
THEREBELFOX1 4 months ago
Straight yellow. Landed on his shoulders and was unintentional. To me dominici tripping Robinson was a worse offence in 2003 than that
chococake551 4 months ago
@chococake551 Straight red. Was intentional and fortunately missed his head. Welsh stop wingeing please!
TheLancashireladdy 4 months ago
Decision was correct,but as it was a world cup semi final,the ref ,who ever was appointed should have given a yellow card and let the citing panel decide whether it was a illegal tackle and Sam Warburton would have been given a lengthy suspension.
flrurry 4 months ago
absolutely red card
papleto 4 months ago
clerc a little wuss it was a great tackle and i aspire to sam good on you same i hate some of the french
LuisT333 4 months ago
i saw something worse, but i think it's a red card: dangerous, useless, he didn't go down with the french... i don't think the red card is too much for this kind of tackle, maybe it could also be yellow, but the referee sent him off.. referee is always right, unfortunately.. then we can speak about how france had been lucky in this RWC, and how wales was playing well.. if sam didn't do that, wales would have tought to france how to play rugby: that is a pity not only for wales..
RugbyMonzaFanClub 4 months ago
It should have been a yellow at most not a red you can see he new what was happening and tries to let go but it was to late i disagree with a red card and the ref new Sam wasn't a dirty tackler. Yellow at most . Thumbs up if you agree!
MultiAwsomeo3000 4 months ago
@MultiAwsomeo3000 Doesn't matter if he's not a dirty tackler even though he tried something similar a week before on o' Gara he still broke the rules. Look up the fucking rules and you'd know that it was a well deserved red card.
suppernoddypo2k7 4 months ago
@suppernoddypo2k7 spot on .. he done the same to o gara and heaslip I think in the first half.. except some team mates were on hand to support them on the way down.. He's fond of picking and driving guys, Can't have any complaints .. straight red.
THEREBELFOX1 4 months ago
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spot on .. he done the same to o gara and heaslip I think in the first half.. except some team mates were on hand to support them on the way down.. He's fond of picking and driving guys, Can't have any complaints .. straight red.
THEREBELFOX1 4 months ago
@suppernoddypo2k7 yup ive been saying the same thing, hes got a habit of lifting guys when he tackles & gatland needs to get in his ear & tell him 2 knock that shit on the head
hailee2005 4 months ago
Totally justified red card. Still, I don't know if it was a player from NZ, Australia or RSA they would just sent him off like that. E.G. McCaw is mostly in offside, joins rucks from the sides and no ref gave a penalty for that. Please, don't missunderstand me, I think that All Blacks shown a superiority that will pay with the cup for them and no ref helped them, still I saw some permissions for NZ, e.g. always some seconds more to release the ball.
SirNenon 4 months ago
Vincent Clerc: Less than four inches away from spending the rest of his life in a wheelchair and being fed through a tube. Severing the cervical spine will do that to you. This decision was a watershed... we are going to see a LOT more red cards issued from now on for this type of tackle, until players learn not to lift opponents when they have grasped them below the hips.
smartcooky99 4 months ago
@smartcooky99 "Less than four inches away from spending the rest of his life in a wheelchair" WHat are you talking about? Was he invloved in a near miss car accident whilst leaving the stadium? Maybe a freak shooting incident?
agt155 4 months ago
I can only come to the conclusion that the idiots who say this incident was the reason Wales lost switched off straight after the card was shown. Wales lost by a single point after missing several scoring opportunities and one Stephen Jones completely bottling the chance of a drop goal in the final seconds. Warburton's sending off impacted the game immensely, but Wales had their chances (many, many of them), but didn't take any of them. Deal with it.
EmeraldNK 4 months ago 9
@EmeraldNK I could not agree more.
suppernoddypo2k7 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK Its not that simple mate, the stats show when teams lose a man to the sin-bin they concede, on average, 6-7 points during the ten minutes they're down to 14 men. So losing your captain and star player for over an hour is like having six yellow cards in one game, even the all blacks wouldn't expect to win then would they?? The fact we still could have won shows how poor the french were on the day...a glorious chance gone begging thanks to an over-zealous ref decision, pity
tdavies456 4 months ago
@tdavies456 Clearly, the stats in this case did not apply to Wales, then. I would love to see a link to these stats, but for now I'll let that go. I agree with you, the French played very badly on the day, Wales should have won... but they didn't, they had plenty of chances, but they didn't. A glorious chance gone begging because your most experienced player bottled it. It was not over-zealous, he applied the rules of the game to the letter. If only more referees could do the same.
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK "he applied the rules of the game to the letter. If only more referees could do the same"i wonder if the people who say this sort of thing are fans of rugby ?if a ref applies the letter of the law then the game is finished .he will have to blow up literally every 30 seconds .it is not the job of the ref not to enforce the rules to the letter of the law as some think,a good ref is a manager of the game and in this case he failed .
MUDSHARK111 4 months ago
@MUDSHARK111 What is that supposed to mean? Of course I'm a fan of Rugby, what a stupid, irritatingly arrogant thing to say. Don't be stupid. Laws are there to be interpreted by the referee in the context of the game. In this particular case, this is not a rule left to interpretation. It is a dangerous tackle and the IRB want to see less of it, therefore, it is a red card regardless of intent. If players are not intelligent enough to take this on board and be more careful with these tackles...
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK Strong, physical games are tough and exciting to watch more often than not, but making stupid tackles is just stupid, no matter what the context of the game.
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK "Strong, physical games are tough and exciting to watch more often than not, but making stupid tackles is just stupid, no matter what the context of the game." there you go again leaving me wondering about how much of a fan you are .17 stone vs 12 semi finals biggest game of his life . the result hardly a surprise. did you expect sam to way up whether it was a big French player or a small French he was tackling.lol
MUDSHARK111 4 months ago
@MUDSHARK111 So, what? He was blindfolded? He shut his eyes? Vincent Clerc is invisible? Or do you just think Sam Warburton hasn't the intelligence to look before he tackles? Not sure what your point is. Many players in many sports get sent off for having excess adrenaline or letting the occasion get to them... Is this a case for having more stupid tackles made per game? More injuries giving the game a better rep, having more youth wanting to play? What's your point?
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK "Sam Warburton hasn't the intelligence to look before he tackles?" Sam Warburton hasn't the intelligence to look before he tackles? the idea that a player is supposed to determine who he is tackling ,know his size his weight, and then tackle with the appropriate force need to stop that particular player is absurd .
MUDSHARK111 4 months ago
@MUDSHARK111 I never made any indication that Warburton should have played "Guess the weight" before tackling. But if you are a big forward and about to tackle a lighter, smaller back you should anticipate the likelihood of the player being lifted, and in that situation, make sure you return him to the ground safely, which Warburton failed to do. Why am I arguing with someone who seems not to understand the rules? Or the point of the argument?
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK . "Why am I arguing with someone who seems not to understand the rules? Or the point of the argument?" and i am "debating" ,look at the title of the vid, not arguing with someone ,who not only does not seem to know his own mind, having contradicted himself, but does not seem to understand that pedantically enforced rules are not desirable in a game such as rugby . and where he a true fan/player of the game as he insists, he would know this with out be having to explain it to him .
MUDSHARK111 4 months ago
Where have I contradicted myself? So Alain Rolland is a pedant for following the rules he was trained to follow... Oh, referees should have followed the rules that people think they know, instead of the real rules. Oh yes, Rolland? Pedant, indeed. Debating/Arguing, fine line when it come to YouTube arguments. I never insisted, I am a fan of Rugby without having to be told or accepted by you. I love the game. I know the rules. I know how and why we play by the rules, and how not to.
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK Includes knowing how to accept when I am wrong. Unlike some. If Wales were gifted the winning try due to a simple knock-on that wasn't noticed you would be lauding on some YouTube video about how Wales were brilliant and how France shouldn't be so pedantically clinging to the rules to justify their loss. Except this was actually a dangerous infringement of the rules. Why should players learn how to play the game if they aren't going to play by the rules? Get a clue, then reply.
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK "Get a clue, then reply" you dont even know when you hav contradicted yourself so i will point it out for a third time "I'm not speaking for any other referees' decisions in the world cup. If they wanted to let the tackle go, fine"to "this is not a rule left to interpretation" take your own advise and and at leat know your own mind .so whats it gona be"If they wanted to let the tackle go, fine"or "this is not a rule left to interpretation"lol you get clue.and then reply .
MUDSHARK111 4 months ago
@MUDSHARK111 My point was that I'm arguing this particular decision. I also asked you to point me in the direction of these other tackles you speak of, which you haven't done. So as I said, get a clue, then reply.
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
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@EmeraldNK "My point was that I'm arguing this particular decision." so you concede you have a double standard .you support the ref decision in this match strongly enough to debate the point but If other refs" wanted to let the tackle go, fine"?
MUDSHARK111 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK Isn't it terrible that good tackles are now penalized? In 10 years time it will become touch rugby for health and safety reasons.
meskell02 4 months ago
@meskell02 Good tackles are not penalized, stupid ones are. ;)
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK nonsense, of course its open to interpretation, and should be .far worse more dangerous incidents occurred after this, yet no red no yellow not even a penalty for 2 of the worst .so if its not open to interpretation why are the ref's not in front of the IRB explaining why they have ignored a rule "not left to interpretation?"
MUDSHARK111 4 months ago
@MUDSHARK111 I'm not speaking for any other referees' decisions in the world cup. If they wanted to let the tackle go, fine. As a matter of interest, what are these tackles you're referring to? Maybe the ref's ARE being asked questions about these things.
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
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@EmeraldNK you see no contradiction in "I'm not speaking for any other referees' decisions in the world cup. If they wanted to let the tackle go, fine" to "this is not a rule left to interpretation" so this is a rule not left to interpenetration but is the ref wants to interpret it a differently way than that's fine with you ?
MUDSHARK111 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK You want a link to these stats? you only have to google to find out about this stuff, its not difficult (youtube won't let me post links). ...anyway, if every rule of the game was applied to the letter of the law there wouldn't be a game, not one that would be worth watching anyway. Its pretty clear that what we need most from officials is common sense, yet people like you seem to want to go the other way and ruin the game for everybody with your convoluted, pedantic 'rules'.
tdavies456 4 months ago
@tdavies456 Alright then, if that's what you think I have said, fair enough. I'm not arguing these points anymore. By the way... Davies... is that a Welsh name? We can continue this argument at a later date when one of your players has been seriously injured due to a spear tackle with no action from the referee or IRB and see which side you're on. Of course, the likelihood that this will actually happen have now been lessened, thanks to this decision. Don't expect a reply from me.
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK Stop being a fanny, if anyone gets seriously injured from a spear tackle then obviously a red card is justified followed by a hefty ban. But that wasn't the case here, Clerc was fine to carry on, you're just making a meal out of nothing. The likelihood of a player getting seriously injured is no less likely due to the basic nature of rugby, if you're so concerned about player safety then the powers that be may as well ban rugby altogether for being such a dangerous game.
tdavies456 4 months ago
look the problem here is the fact that referees have not been giving red cards for tackles like this. so we are used to seeing chicken refs go for the yellow and when you see the ref make the right decision it costs wales the game. however i must stress it is the right decision his feet are 5 foot in the air when his head makes contact with the ground. unacceptable tackle
biglittlejujitsuman 4 months ago
Best hit I have ever seen. Well in Warbs.
Sit down French cunt.
welshlegend117 4 months ago
i'm welsh and at the time i was disgusted by the call but by looking back on it ,it is a dangerous tackle yes, and the law of rugby is, if you lift a player in the tackle its your job to bring him back down safely, unfortunately for warburton the momentum of the move brought yashvilli's legs over his head and he released him before he touched the floor, so yes it was a red card. thats the rules of the sport we love. if a french player did that we'd say the same.
sbivdog 4 months ago 3
@sbivdog yep if it was shane williams v chabal there would be uproar
biglittlejujitsuman 4 months ago
Did Warburton return him to the ground safely? Evidently he did, which makes a red card the wrong decision.
agt155 4 months ago
@agt155 what are you on about, its quiet clear not with standing the tackle Warburton dropped him, left him in mid air which ever you prefer so your argument is rubbish
pman1919ify 4 months ago
@pman1919ify Warburton deliberately did not slam him down, or drop him on his head, therefore he was responsible for the tackle being safe. Tackling a player onto their back in Rugby is not considered dangerous play, or do you think it is?
agt155 4 months ago
@agt155 SOUR GRAPES. Look up the fucking rule and then you'll know why he got sent off you retard.
suppernoddypo2k7 4 months ago
@suppernoddypo2k7 Sour grapes?? I'm neutral so don't really care. It just ruined the world cup and makes rugby look poofy. France are a terrible side, and will do well to keep within 30 points of the Blacks. I was trying to convince some NFL fan mates that Rugby was the real mans sport, how can I after that red card? They laughed their asses off.
agt155 4 months ago
@agt155 Because pussies who wear pads before coming into contact have ANYTHING to laugh at? Why do you have to convince anyone? Why do you care? It is a real mans SPORT. So fucking what? They have Baseball (Boring as fuck), Basketball (Non-contact, wimpy sport) and NFL (Pad-wearing nancy sport). What more ammunition do you need? Jesus this macho-manly shite annoys me.
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@agt155 That looks safe to you? So by your standards a bullet to the head is just a flesh-wound?
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK If you think that was a dangerous tackle you should stick to Tennis/Golf or whatever you play.
agt155 4 months ago
@agt155 I think the tackle is VERY dangerous. Pause at 0:40 or 0:47 and you'll see that if Clerc had landed merly inches higher up his back, he'd have landed right on the top of his spine. This can leave him with permanent paralysis, a broken neck, or death. Rugby is a GAME, if you want to see people seriously hurt, go start a barfight. Rugby is a great game, it's tough, and players take a beating each and every game, but I'll be damned if I want to see players being seriously injured in game.
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
@EmeraldNK So what you are saying is that it was quite close to being a dangerous tackle? Warburton was in a position where he could have driven Clerc's head into the ground with force, he chose not to though, for Clerc's safety, and instead made sure that he landed on his back.
agt155 4 months ago
@agt155 No Clerc raises his torso towards his legs, and even then still he lands on his neck.
suppernoddypo2k7 4 months ago
@agt155 What I'm saying is it WAS a dangerous tackle, and he was lucky to get back up afterwards. What is a requirement for a red card to you? Death?
EmeraldNK 4 months ago
That was certainly a red card. The referee's call complied with the rules and the IRB memo sent to referee's AND players before the tournament. It's Warburton's fault and the rest is just sour grapes. Wales still had the beating of France but they missed their kicks as well as after the French sat back and started kicking the ball to Wales the Welsh did just the same back which was a a bad tactical from Gatland. No way was it a fair tackle and the Rolland got it completely right.
suppernoddypo2k7 4 months ago
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That's definetly for a yellow card, it was a very dangerous tackle.. the red card was very exaggerated .. the referee is the same referee in the match Argentina against England, he sucks!
MateLtkd 4 months ago
@MateLtkd Look if the guy broke his neck with the impact and the ref gave yellow he'd look a fool also your incorrect in the match official for England V Argentina It was Bryce Lawerence of New Zealand not Rolland
pman1919ify 4 months ago 6
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That is definetly just a talking to. It was a fair tackle, rugby is a violent sport. That was a terrible call from the ref. I think it was rash and unneeded. It spoiled the game. It was definetly only a talking to. I mean its the semi finals for christ sake, what are they gonna do play tag rugby...NO. It was a horrible call and Wales deserve to play in the finals. Or maybe even win.
11828798 4 months ago
@11828798 Rugby is not a violent sport its a game for the small guy the chubby guy the tall guy and small guy i.e any one can play this brilliant game, thats why the Laws of the game protect the large strong guy from lifting and fucking a smaller guy head neck back what ever you want on the ground, you are right it spoiled the game but the ref went on the laws that put him there in the first place.
pman1919ify 4 months ago
@pman1919ify i know man he brought the guy down to the ground and that is a rule where if you take the guy up you have to bring him down. And he did (sort of). And i just think the ref made a rash desicion. As you can tell i am a bit biased towards wales. but yeah
11828798 4 months ago
@11828798 uum he didnt bring the guy to the ground, he dropped him
hailee2005 4 months ago
Come to think about it, what Yashvilli did in this clip was known as a "Hospital Pass" when I was playing rugby. Watch the pass again, which Dmitri Yashvilli (good French name, by the way...!) makes without looking to a small player who's got a great big hariy forward bearing down on him
jonesthephones 4 months ago
Bugger...! Oops, sorry
jonesthephones 4 months ago
Clouds & Silver Linings... I'd have loved to see Martyn Williams brought in to play on Frida vs. Oz for his 100th Welsh cap - not gonna happen though! Sad
jonesthephones 4 months ago
YELLOW not RED - Sam's left arm does raise the leg of the Frenchman, which is dangerous, but he then let go. Yellow OK but never Red... Referees should be compelled to consult with Assistants and/or Video-Ref whenever a RED is being considered in games at this level. Killed the competition.... would've been a fantastic Wales vs NZ final, and not the damp squib I'm predicting on Sunday, when NZ will be runaway winners
jonesthephones 4 months ago