A dictators benevolence is judged by the size of his dungeons and the horrors that goes on there.
And if being a Christian is a perquisite for God to even consider not sending you to his torture dungeon then it will have to be very big indeed. And rumor has it there are terrible things are going on there.
But I do understand why his followers are very careful to call him good at every chance they get if they believe he is listening. Kim Young Ill was also called "dear leader" by his followers...
The concept of heaven and hell is too simplistic for me to believe. It seems so man made. Eternal burning or streets of gold just seems far too black and white for our universe of shades of gray. Also, it is far to obvious to be divine, it seems like the just took the happiest things and the most painful than put them in the book.
@MrEzish Oh, I'm sorry people not believing what you believe is difficult for you. Welcome to the real world where everyone has individual thoughts and opinions. Did you enjoy your stay in the imaginary mindless robot world you were living in?
I agree with your point about hell it doesn't make sense, hundreds of millions of years for hitler in hell? now thats ridiculous why does he even need to be punished at all if god made him like he was? sure he was different to the rest but he thought he was doing the right thing based on his upbringing, environment, and gods chosen chemical composition for him. If you read the old testament he had a lot in common with the god described in the book.
Can information be added to the point where one species becomes another species? Of course not. No fish ever became a reptile. No reptile ever became a bird and no monkey ever became a man... No matter how hard you try to connect the dots.
If the only reason ur not a Christian is because of hell than look no further, the Bible says hell is the common grave, no one could be tortured forever because that means the bible would contradict itself. For God is love. The only thing that gets tortured forever is the Antichrist, the beast and Satan, revelation.
@JellayToasT no, the reason I'm not a christian is because of claims like the ones you just made that are based on an ancient book written by primitive people based on oral traditions; claims that are silly and difficult to believe; claims that have no evidence.
By the way...where is your evidence that Hitler claimed to be a Christian. I really just need ONE photograph of him praying or in church or even claiming to be a Christian.
@bornagain001 btw, just type in 'hitler catholic' in the youtube search bar and have a look at a few speeches. i didn't want to offer you evidence until you provided yours for hitler being an agnostic but i am confident that your "evidence" will not be forthcoming.
btw, do you really want evidence for evolution via natural selection or was that you being argumentative?
I agree with your conclusion but not with your reasoning. I think that the concept of punishment you're using is a thoroughly human invention derived from our desire to see those who harmed us suffer themselves, but I see no reason why a creature like a God would have it. Rather, if God loved us, punishment would only exist to reform us, or perhaps to scare others into behaving. The threat of hell has empirically not had the latter result, and could not possibly have the first.
@CallMeIshmael999 You're right, but the premise of the argument I set up at the beginning of the video was "hell exists, god punishes based on behavior". Doesn't matter why, the argument simply accepts the starting premise, for the sake of argument. So the reasoning I presented that you disagree with is somewhat based on christian reasoning, not my own personal reasoning. I completely agree with you, that just wasn't what this particular argument was about.
I met a guy who says he WOULD create and eterna hell if he were God. He later accused me of asking a loae question, despite the fact that I made it absolutely clear that there was no need for eternal torture in the scenario. Then he starts using ad hominems, using the same, debunked arguments over and over, and even accusing me of being a pedophile. He said that actually fixing sin and rehabilitating people would be "sweeping it under the rug." (Cont'd)
@Keitaro2011 I think it's become quite clear that fundies and stuff LIKE the thought of burning in hell. They claim they're trying to "warn" us because they love us and all, but then, when you pin some of them right down on it, they give the ipression that they sit there every day jerking off to the idea that people are going to be suffering for eternity. It makes me fucking sick.
@Keitaro2011 ....REALLY? If we thought it was so wonderful, we would not be spending hours and hours of our time to WARN YOU of the consequences of YOUR OWN SIN. There are many people who would just as soon tell you to GO TO HELL....but you won't hear it from someone who cares about you. PRAYING FOR YOU...not jerking off.
@bornagain001 WHY is this so hard to understand? HELL ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING. It is not just, and screaming otherwise isn't going to make it so. The ONLY REASON. The absolute ONLY REASON why an omnipotent being would allow eternal torture is because he ENJOYS inflicting pain. There is no other option!
@Keitaro2011 ....God did not create Hell for you...as a matter of fact...God has no only made a way for you to avoid it BUT....He is also sending me to speak to you about it. If you continue to embrace your sin...don't blame the Judge for the sentence.
@bornagain001 I CAN blame the lawmaker for making an unjust law! Also, he shouldn't have created hell AT ALL! For ANYONE! God can do ANYTHING, so he has no excuse for resorting to the epitomy of immorality!
hitler was a lawmaker, and the holocaust was his law....if you can't blame YHWH you can't blame Hitler lol though god did enforce the law he himself created, he is the only one capable of doing so, so he isn't "just" the lawmaker, it's as if he was Hitler and the entire aparatus of the third reich in one body. God beats hitler at evil.
I'm no apologist (I need to stop saying that before they catch on that I'm about to Devil them up an Advocate they could actually use), but the debt you owe in hell isn't to humanity. It's to god, whom we know* to be a raving psychotic with genocidal tendencies.
@DreamsOfCottages I appreciate your candor. I must admit I have no clue how you are mixing pantheism with christianity. After reading a little about pantheism, brushing up on what the definition of energy is. I can't see how they are compatible, but if it keeps you from going postal, more power to ya. As long as one lives and let lives. Without trying to oppress I have no problem with different ideas and opinions.
Please consider using little more gentler music in the background, I know you may want to throw your music in but it's pretty harsh to watch your video. Other than that, thanks for thy video upload!
@DreamsOfCottages I wish to hear more about this theology of yours and their cited sources that lead to this conclusion (if at all possible) on my channel, if you don't mind. I'm almost certainly not going to re-convert, but I do STUDY religion for what good I can get out of it.
QualiaSoup has a similar video entitled Hell: an excessive punishment, you might be interested in.
Just a note with reference to the duplication warning at the bottom of the start of the video, only the artist who originally created those drawings and images can claim any sort of copyright restriction over the use of those images, has the artist granted you this permission?
Probably not the first time a point like this has been made, but I guess with some religious blockheads, one needs to hammer it home. Well-hammered, and nice riff as well.
(The Bible makes it clear that the dead do not have thoughts)
Now, If the dead have no thoughts what difference could it possibly make? If one were to no longer possess critical thinking skills. What could any kind of heaven matter with that logic? What about Lord Ganesha? Or any other of thousands of gods that seem every bit as real to others as yours does to you? What if you are wrong? Do you know the jeopardy you are in?
@DreamsOfCottages isn't that the reason why Christianity and Islam became so successful in the first place? Holy wars, forced baptisms and did or still does like to make full use of fear of apostasy, blasphemy, punishment and the psychological fear of eternal damnation. Without fear you couldn't control the people. That's what makes it all ridiculous no matter how good you think you are, the religious will come along with absolute conviction and say you've got it all wrong.
I don't think it's enough to simply talk about "how long should Hitler (or whoever) suffer?" What sort of punishment should they suffer? I think the most appropriate punishment would be for you to personally experience the suffering you inflicted on others as they experienced it.
Adolph would still just be getting started. He'd still be reliving the fear of political prisoners from his early days.
@SkepticalTraveler Should he perhaps also "die" repeatedly (yeah, I know he's already dead, but we are talking about Hell here. I mean more the process of dying), or should he be granted the mercy of being unconscious for so long a period and THEN torture resumes?
@Jaybird196 "should he be granted the mercy of being unconscious for so long a period and THEN torture resumes?"
If he's unconscious would he even notice the break?
Reconsidering my position, I'm asking myself if it could ever make sense to punish someone and then destroy them. The punishment can't reform them if they aren't there to be reformed. If you want vengeance then you don't really need to punish them. You just need to convince everyone else that they're being punished.
@DreamsOfCottages if people can be saved for not knowing the teachings of Jesus then it doesn't matter as they're all judged regardless. Believing what you do does not make you right most Christians agree you have to be alive to be forgiven. You may think they're wrong but they would say you're wrong and arguing on this video wont change the fact they do believe in hell and the get out of jail free card Good luck in changing them I cant see you being successful.
@DreamsOfCottages I have to agree with LaughingOut thats your own personal interpretation while being more palatable it still isn't the consensus of the majority of Christians. You may think through scripture that a soul will be destroyed in a limited time but it still doesn't change the fact that a god would destroy a soul whose only crime was to live before Jesus. But according to you if there is still judgment then Jesus sacrifice was a waste as you're still judged.
@DreamsOfCottages While I would prefer your belief about Hell to that of others, this does not matter. He is not arguing against your belief. He is arguing against those who believe in an eternal Hell, and there are many who believe that. Whether or not the bible says something doesn't matter if there's people out there that believe it anyway.
Think about it, what does this video tell you about anyone who would create a place like hell and threaten to send anyone there who didn't comply with their selfish desires?
The sick and rather twisted thing is that if he dropped to his knees and begged forgiveness he would receive eternal reward regardless of the people he killed. While a human with no fault of their own being born before Jesus and into a society that was not Christian or Hebrew and worshiped another deity. Even though they lived a good life would be condemned to eternal suffering.
surely it should be number of people killed thanks to hitler and no. of years roughly they were in camps - excluding war acusalties. est. 4 years * 11/17 million = 44 million years of punishment min. but i dont think anyone really cares im just board.
@bassmanco Yeah that's right based on one year per kill. I came up with the 100+ million years based on the collective number of years his victims would have had if they had continued to live because i felt one year for killing someone was weak compared to the suffering they and their loved ones experienced. Obviously no one can know how many years that would be, but hell is a nonsense premise to begin with, so I figured I could add a little extra nonsense for the sake of argument.
@proudtobeatheist1 Just in the numbers dept. and out of sick curiosity myself. Is that 1 year per kill? Or 1 life sentence per kill? Roughly 20-25 years maybe 12-15 for good behavior. Although I think that may be a challenge lol.
Or as god is involved and knows "everything" would fair be the length of each life cut short. I must ask. even as long as that would be. What about punishment time on top for each offense? Plus all that suffered? Damn, 100+ may be on the short end.
But thankyou for your work, i enjoy your channel, and i only wish i had the means and guts to get involved in this stuff too, but there is little i could bring to the table. Keep on truckin :D
this is kind of dickish but wouldn't the suffering caused to their loved ones be decreased, by the fact that he killed most of said loved ones along with their families? they had no time to be negatively effected by the loss. The "opportunity cost" of killing them would be zero (in fact killing them would be a GOOD thing) if heaven existed, because he'd take away the mundane suffering of life and put them in heaven (well hell because they be jews)
which reminds me. if god puts just 1 person in hell for infinite time, doesn't he deserve infinite punishment, for the crime of causing infinite pain? the 'no one deserves this' still stands as god doesn't exist. but if he did...
heaven changes what is good or bad, let alone how good or bad things are, and has to be included.
Hitler was a good Christian so whatever nastiness against humanity he was guilty of doesn't stop him going straight to heaven... Even God in Genesis killed every living creature and plagued the Egyptians in Exodus so being nasty to humans is not deserving of eternal punishment but rejecting a belief in Jesus does deserve eternal punishment..
Hitler was baptized catholic as a baby, but never attended a christian worship service in his adult life. He used some Christian terminology in his early speeches when still consolidating power in Germany, but by WWII he was denouncing it and equating it with communism and saying the Apostle Paul had perverted it. I wouldn't call that a good Christian.
@proudtobeatheist1 hitler died a catholic and was never booted out so according to them, all he had to do was say a few hail marys and paradise was his.
@fourbabies1 ....INCORRECT. Hitler was born to a Catholic mother who took him to church at an early age but .....JUST LIKE YOU....he left the church as soon as he was out of the house. JUST LIKE ME...Hitler was not an atheist...he was an agnostic.
and where did hitler ever call himself an agnostic? i have read many of his speeches where he references his belief in a deity but never one where he proclaims his non-seeing of any evidence for a god. could you provide a reference please. thanking you in advance.
@fourbabies1 ...many people NEVER in their lives admit they are an agnostic or an atheist. If you were a politician in the 1930's trying to become the leader of Germany (a strongly Catholic nation) ...that admission would have been detrimental to his struggle to reach the top. What Hitler did was to INVOKE GOD'S NAME into his retoric, much like the Ku Klux Klan did in America in the 50's and 60's. It's a common practice among politicians who have no relationship with God.
@bornagain001 oh hell no! You can't assert you know that someone is really atheist when they present themselves as theist. You aren't a freakin' mind reader of dead dictators. He claimed to be catholic, he used catholocism as a tool to control his people, so the "hitler was an atheist" argument is ridiculous! Maybe he was, maybe Obama is atheist, maybe muslim, maybe fred phelps is gay, maybe he's gay with brian fisher: but without any evidence these maybe's are lame.
@bornagain001 i asked for evidence that hitler called himself agnostic. you asserted that he was agnostic, where is your evidence? are you doing what all the religious people do and asserting something that you cannot prove?
@bornagain001 i never asserted anything about any big bang or evolution. you said hitler was an agnostic and i was only asking where you got your evidence for that assertion. or were you making it up?
@fourbabies1 ...you ASSERTED Hilter was a Christian because he invoked God's name in some of his rallies and his book. My assertion is that Hitler was an agnostic because he never prayed, never went to mass, never seen with a Bible, never displayed any of the characteristics God tells us to look for in a true Christian.
@bornagain001 no, i asserted hitler was a catholic because hitler himself asserted that. please, start getting some facts right. have you tried typing in ' hitler catholic' in the youtube search bar yet? try it please then come back when you have seen and read some of the things that i have about hitler.
@fourbabies1 ...yes...I have seen the video. There is no doubt that Hilter and the Catholic Church were in bed together to protect both their intrests....theirs to remain in religious power, his to remain in political power. Another good video about Hitler is...Bonhoeffer Speaks Out Against Hitler and HITLER REMOVES CHRISTIANITY
@fourbabies1 ...Hitler himself had no relationship with God. He had a mutual agreement with the Catholic Church. Using LOGIC...(rarely used by atheists) one can see by what He did in the History channels video....HITLER REMOVES CHRISTIANITY....he doubted the existence of God. No one who believes in God would do this.
@fourbabies1 ...the fact that Hitler was an agnostics comes from LOGICAL DEDUCTION whether he claimed it or not. Using LOGICAL DEDUCTION...and not even knowing you I would assert that you believe in evolution and the Big Bang. That you see nothing wrong with abortion but find homosexuality totally acceptable. Am I wrong?
@bornagain001 What possible logical deduction would lead you to that conclusion. He referenced god constantly, now he may not have believed in your particular set of associated beliefs relating to god, but you could hardly call him a non-believer in god.
And as I said before, his belief or lack thereof was not his driving motive and therefore irrelevant.
"He referenced god constantly, now he may not have believed in your particular set of associated beliefs relating to god"
CORRECT. Many people create their own God who sees nothing wrong in rape, murder and genocide. It's one of God's 10 Commandments by which they will be held accountable.
@bornagain001 You have missed the point, yet again. You claim hitler did what he did because he was an atheist. I say, not only was he not an atheist, but what he did was not because of his belief in god or lack thereof.
For that reason, it is fundamentally dishonest of you to attempt to imply that he committed atrocities in the name of non-belief in god. People do things because of what they do believe, not because of what they don't believe.
@bornagain001 i believe evolution via natural selection happened cause all the evidence from the last 150 odd years of research points that way. i know little about the big bang and its causes. now, the problem with abortions is why are women needing them. it is a lack of a proper sex education in many cases. i find hetrosexuality totally acceptable, so why would i find homosexuality unacceptable?
@bornagain001 ......you called yourself and hitler an "agnostic" in an earlier post, am i to logically deduce that you lied and you are in fact a theist? am i to deduce that you would have homosexuality punished like the iranians, or hitler for that matter, would? using logical deductions is it fair to say you have little understanding of the facts of evolution but gain your "knowledge" from your religious books rather than a biologist?
@fourbabies1 ...then that would make your LOGICAL DEDUCTIONS INCORRECT. I was forced by the state to study the MYTHS of evolution, abiogenesis and the bIG Bang in order to graduate from college. At the time, I drank the Kool Aid...voluntarily. Now...years later, I UNDERSTAND it is ILLOGICAL to think that something as complex as a single strand of DNA ...CREATED ITSELF. Of course the world is full of pseudo intellectuals who would have you believe this garbage.
so you are not an agnostic as you called yourself. you lied, ok, nothing new.
so you're saying it is logical for a creator but not for a creator of a creator. for that creator to make man from soil (but not the other animals), and to create himself in human flesh he has to impregnate a young virgin? all that with not a smattering of evidence? lol, i think we are done.
@fourbabies1 ...NO...I said I WAS an agnostic at one point in my life. We are ALL BORN ATHEISTS. None of us are born with any knowledge or personal relationship with God. You and I may be done but you can not avoid DEATH nor Judgment Day.
only in myths and fables do people avoid death. check out the coming back from the dead and eternal life stories in certain superstitious books if you don't believe me.
@fourbabies1 ...the caterpillar CAN NOT POSSIBLY KNOW the transformation that is about to take place when it enters the cocoon. And yet you speak of things you know NOTHING about.
@bornagain001 So, you lied about studying it, then. Why can't something start simple and then accumulate ccomplexity over time with self-replication with variation? That's the entire key to evolution. REPRODUCTION WITH VARIATION. I clock can't evolve because it doesn't reproduce with variation.
@Keitaro2011 .....Natural selection/self replication doesn’t drive molecules-to-man evolution; you are giving natural selection a power that it does not have—one that can supposedly add new information to the genome, as molecules-to-man evolution requires. But natural selection simply can’t do that because it works with information that already exists.
@bornagain001 Even if hitler did not believe in god, which I think is highly doubtful, the foot soldiers and German people, the people who committed most of the atrocities on his behalf, most certainly were. That is because anti-semitism had been pushed by the Church for years, giving Hitler the perfect breeding ground.
In any case, what difference would it make whether he was or was not religious. He didn't commit his atrocities in the name of athiesm or religion. He had other motives.
"That is because anti-semitism had been pushed by the Church for years, giving Hitler the perfect breeding ground."
There is a book out. It is called BONHOEFFER. It written by a German preacher who opposed Hitler. I suggest you read it since your understanding of history seems to be SKEWED.
@bornagain001 that must've been awkward for all the soldiers- they would have had to remove their belts, which proclaimed on the buckle "Gott mit Uns" (God with us). Did the german army then have to run around with one hand on their pants to keep them from falling down? or did they wear suspenders? Also, did they remove that whole line from the soldier's oath that said "I swear BY GOD"? Just wondering...
@schachtelw ...awkward? Soldiers have NO SAY SO about the uniforms they wear...even today. You wear what they give you. Of course...having something invoking God's name does help the REICH look like they are on the right side.
@bornagain001 "What Hitler did was to INVOKE GOD'S NAME into his retoric, much like..." Rush, Rick, Ron, Michelle, Mitt and George, Ronnie etc before them.
A dictators benevolence is judged by the size of his dungeons and the horrors that goes on there.
And if being a Christian is a perquisite for God to even consider not sending you to his torture dungeon then it will have to be very big indeed. And rumor has it there are terrible things are going on there.
But I do understand why his followers are very careful to call him good at every chance they get if they believe he is listening. Kim Young Ill was also called "dear leader" by his followers...
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buddhafollower 1 month ago
Hey for all of you who fear eternal torture, if you don't have a nervous system, you can't feel pain :)
123e3 1 month ago
The concept of heaven and hell is too simplistic for me to believe. It seems so man made. Eternal burning or streets of gold just seems far too black and white for our universe of shades of gray. Also, it is far to obvious to be divine, it seems like the just took the happiest things and the most painful than put them in the book.
SuperBspb 1 month ago
What the FUCK! Why do people continue to make things difficult! JESUS IS YOUR SAVIOR!
MrEzish 1 month ago
@MrEzish Oh, I'm sorry people not believing what you believe is difficult for you. Welcome to the real world where everyone has individual thoughts and opinions. Did you enjoy your stay in the imaginary mindless robot world you were living in?
proudtobeatheist1 1 month ago 7
So glad to see people making videos of the types of things I think about daily. Thank you, sir! You've saved me the work of making a very fine video.
Thisnamewasnotaken 1 month ago
I agree with your point about hell it doesn't make sense, hundreds of millions of years for hitler in hell? now thats ridiculous why does he even need to be punished at all if god made him like he was? sure he was different to the rest but he thought he was doing the right thing based on his upbringing, environment, and gods chosen chemical composition for him. If you read the old testament he had a lot in common with the god described in the book.
NecipPerver 1 month ago 2
Can information be added to the point where one species becomes another species? Of course not. No fish ever became a reptile. No reptile ever became a bird and no monkey ever became a man... No matter how hard you try to connect the dots.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 "Your ignorance is unbelievable."
lmao, your good, very, very good. bye bye and have a good one.
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@bornagain001 Yes, it can, actually. And nobody ever said a money became a man. That's a strawman argument and you damn well know it!
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
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@bornagain001 Yes, it can, actually. And nobody ever said a money became a man. That's a strawman argument and you damn well know it!
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
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@bornagain001 Yes, it can, actually. And nobody ever said a money became a man. That's a strawman argument and you damn well know it.
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
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@bornagain001 Yes, it can, actually. And nobody ever said a money became a man. That's a strawman argument and you damn well know it.
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
0:43 I wish I could be as muscular as god is :(
darkilustrisimus 1 month ago
I would rather the 10 fold form of punishment. The aggressor should suffer more imo. But not indefinitely hence is why I like 10 fold.
youngn420 1 month ago
If the only reason ur not a Christian is because of hell than look no further, the Bible says hell is the common grave, no one could be tortured forever because that means the bible would contradict itself. For God is love. The only thing that gets tortured forever is the Antichrist, the beast and Satan, revelation.
JellayToasT 1 month ago
@JellayToasT no, the reason I'm not a christian is because of claims like the ones you just made that are based on an ancient book written by primitive people based on oral traditions; claims that are silly and difficult to believe; claims that have no evidence.
proudtobeatheist1 1 month ago 2
By the way...where is your evidence that Hitler claimed to be a Christian. I really just need ONE photograph of him praying or in church or even claiming to be a Christian.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 btw, just type in 'hitler catholic' in the youtube search bar and have a look at a few speeches. i didn't want to offer you evidence until you provided yours for hitler being an agnostic but i am confident that your "evidence" will not be forthcoming.
btw, do you really want evidence for evolution via natural selection or was that you being argumentative?
fourbabies1 1 month ago
The concept of Hell is very popular among people who can't tell the difference between justice and revenge.
TBTabby 1 month ago
I agree with your conclusion but not with your reasoning. I think that the concept of punishment you're using is a thoroughly human invention derived from our desire to see those who harmed us suffer themselves, but I see no reason why a creature like a God would have it. Rather, if God loved us, punishment would only exist to reform us, or perhaps to scare others into behaving. The threat of hell has empirically not had the latter result, and could not possibly have the first.
CallMeIshmael999 1 month ago
@CallMeIshmael999 You're right, but the premise of the argument I set up at the beginning of the video was "hell exists, god punishes based on behavior". Doesn't matter why, the argument simply accepts the starting premise, for the sake of argument. So the reasoning I presented that you disagree with is somewhat based on christian reasoning, not my own personal reasoning. I completely agree with you, that just wasn't what this particular argument was about.
proudtobeatheist1 1 month ago
Awesome as always!
dgeypscun 1 month ago
THis deserves equal time at churches and mosques everywhere. Pity that's not going to happen. Censorship is the worst of tools.
drfoxcourt 1 month ago
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lol atheism vs religion, teach the controversy!
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I met a guy who says he WOULD create and eterna hell if he were God. He later accused me of asking a loae question, despite the fact that I made it absolutely clear that there was no need for eternal torture in the scenario. Then he starts using ad hominems, using the same, debunked arguments over and over, and even accusing me of being a pedophile. He said that actually fixing sin and rehabilitating people would be "sweeping it under the rug." (Cont'd)
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
@Keitaro2011 I think it's become quite clear that fundies and stuff LIKE the thought of burning in hell. They claim they're trying to "warn" us because they love us and all, but then, when you pin some of them right down on it, they give the ipression that they sit there every day jerking off to the idea that people are going to be suffering for eternity. It makes me fucking sick.
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
@Keitaro2011 ....REALLY? If we thought it was so wonderful, we would not be spending hours and hours of our time to WARN YOU of the consequences of YOUR OWN SIN. There are many people who would just as soon tell you to GO TO HELL....but you won't hear it from someone who cares about you. PRAYING FOR YOU...not jerking off.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 WHY is this so hard to understand? HELL ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING. It is not just, and screaming otherwise isn't going to make it so. The ONLY REASON. The absolute ONLY REASON why an omnipotent being would allow eternal torture is because he ENJOYS inflicting pain. There is no other option!
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
@Keitaro2011 ...it is not supposed to accomplish anything.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 SO WHY DO IT, THEN?!
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
@bornagain001 SO WHY DO IT, THEN?!
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
@bornagain001 Then why do it AT ALL?!
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
@bornagain001 Then why do it AT ALL?!
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
@Keitaro2011 ....God did not create Hell for you...as a matter of fact...God has no only made a way for you to avoid it BUT....He is also sending me to speak to you about it. If you continue to embrace your sin...don't blame the Judge for the sentence.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 I CAN blame the lawmaker for making an unjust law! Also, he shouldn't have created hell AT ALL! For ANYONE! God can do ANYTHING, so he has no excuse for resorting to the epitomy of immorality!
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
@Keitaro2011
hitler was a lawmaker, and the holocaust was his law....if you can't blame YHWH you can't blame Hitler lol though god did enforce the law he himself created, he is the only one capable of doing so, so he isn't "just" the lawmaker, it's as if he was Hitler and the entire aparatus of the third reich in one body. God beats hitler at evil.
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@Keitaro2011
or rather the thought of other people burning in hell*
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I'm no apologist (I need to stop saying that before they catch on that I'm about to Devil them up an Advocate they could actually use), but the debt you owe in hell isn't to humanity. It's to god, whom we know* to be a raving psychotic with genocidal tendencies.
*citation needed
zEropoint68 1 month ago
@zEropoint68 Even then, it doesn't make a lick of sense.
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
Excellent and refreshingly fair & just! ;) ...leave it to an Atheist! ;)
julzabro 1 month ago
As a masochist I might likre to give it a try.
cheers
nedladdy 1 month ago
@DreamsOfCottages I appreciate your candor. I must admit I have no clue how you are mixing pantheism with christianity. After reading a little about pantheism, brushing up on what the definition of energy is. I can't see how they are compatible, but if it keeps you from going postal, more power to ya. As long as one lives and let lives. Without trying to oppress I have no problem with different ideas and opinions.
pumpstations 1 month ago
@DreamsOfCottages I would prefer the PM route, if you wouldn't mind too much.
Jaybird196 1 month ago
Please consider using little more gentler music in the background, I know you may want to throw your music in but it's pretty harsh to watch your video. Other than that, thanks for thy video upload!
Nostalgicvideos 1 month ago
@DreamsOfCottages I wish to hear more about this theology of yours and their cited sources that lead to this conclusion (if at all possible) on my channel, if you don't mind. I'm almost certainly not going to re-convert, but I do STUDY religion for what good I can get out of it.
Jaybird196 1 month ago
QualiaSoup has a similar video entitled Hell: an excessive punishment, you might be interested in.
Just a note with reference to the duplication warning at the bottom of the start of the video, only the artist who originally created those drawings and images can claim any sort of copyright restriction over the use of those images, has the artist granted you this permission?
OccamsView 1 month ago
Probably not the first time a point like this has been made, but I guess with some religious blockheads, one needs to hammer it home. Well-hammered, and nice riff as well.
KaroKoenich 1 month ago
Bravo !
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SpaceFrawg 1 month ago
Solid argumentation...keep up the good work.
Skepticktok 1 month ago
@DreamsOfCottages I must ask of your quote?
(The Bible makes it clear that the dead do not have thoughts)
Now, If the dead have no thoughts what difference could it possibly make? If one were to no longer possess critical thinking skills. What could any kind of heaven matter with that logic? What about Lord Ganesha? Or any other of thousands of gods that seem every bit as real to others as yours does to you? What if you are wrong? Do you know the jeopardy you are in?
pumpstations 1 month ago
@DreamsOfCottages isn't that the reason why Christianity and Islam became so successful in the first place? Holy wars, forced baptisms and did or still does like to make full use of fear of apostasy, blasphemy, punishment and the psychological fear of eternal damnation. Without fear you couldn't control the people. That's what makes it all ridiculous no matter how good you think you are, the religious will come along with absolute conviction and say you've got it all wrong.
MsOneiroi77 1 month ago
I don't think it's enough to simply talk about "how long should Hitler (or whoever) suffer?" What sort of punishment should they suffer? I think the most appropriate punishment would be for you to personally experience the suffering you inflicted on others as they experienced it.
Adolph would still just be getting started. He'd still be reliving the fear of political prisoners from his early days.
SkepticalTraveler 1 month ago
@SkepticalTraveler Should he perhaps also "die" repeatedly (yeah, I know he's already dead, but we are talking about Hell here. I mean more the process of dying), or should he be granted the mercy of being unconscious for so long a period and THEN torture resumes?
Jaybird196 1 month ago
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@Jaybird196 "should he be granted the mercy of being unconscious for so long a period and THEN torture resumes?"
If he's unconscious would he even notice the break?
Reconsidering my position, I'm asking myself if it could ever make sense to punish someone and then destroy them. The punishment can't reform them if they aren't there to be reformed. If you want vengeance then you don't really need to punish them. You just need to convince everyone else that they're being punished.
SkepticalTraveler 1 month ago
@DreamsOfCottages if people can be saved for not knowing the teachings of Jesus then it doesn't matter as they're all judged regardless. Believing what you do does not make you right most Christians agree you have to be alive to be forgiven. You may think they're wrong but they would say you're wrong and arguing on this video wont change the fact they do believe in hell and the get out of jail free card Good luck in changing them I cant see you being successful.
MsOneiroi77 1 month ago
@DreamsOfCottages LOL
Technically I'm an igtheist, but it's cool. You have a nice night too!
TheLaughingOut 1 month ago
@DreamsOfCottages I have to agree with LaughingOut thats your own personal interpretation while being more palatable it still isn't the consensus of the majority of Christians. You may think through scripture that a soul will be destroyed in a limited time but it still doesn't change the fact that a god would destroy a soul whose only crime was to live before Jesus. But according to you if there is still judgment then Jesus sacrifice was a waste as you're still judged.
MsOneiroi77 1 month ago
@DreamsOfCottages Aw, come on... agreement? I was looking for a debate dammit!
:P
TheLaughingOut 1 month ago
@DreamsOfCottages While I would prefer your belief about Hell to that of others, this does not matter. He is not arguing against your belief. He is arguing against those who believe in an eternal Hell, and there are many who believe that. Whether or not the bible says something doesn't matter if there's people out there that believe it anyway.
TheLaughingOut 1 month ago
Great work!
XenoPredDragon 1 month ago
Think about it, what does this video tell you about anyone who would create a place like hell and threaten to send anyone there who didn't comply with their selfish desires?
CompleteRationality 1 month ago
Arguably the only being deserving of eternal punishment would be god.
Arikiel 1 month ago 15
@Arikiel After all he did "create" the system. It could have been done so many different ways to attain the same results. Provided it were all true.
pumpstations 1 month ago
This is a very well done video, with lots to think about.
AtheismTV 1 month ago
The sick and rather twisted thing is that if he dropped to his knees and begged forgiveness he would receive eternal reward regardless of the people he killed. While a human with no fault of their own being born before Jesus and into a society that was not Christian or Hebrew and worshiped another deity. Even though they lived a good life would be condemned to eternal suffering.
MsOneiroi77 1 month ago
You are so AWESOME keep up the GREAT WORK!
FreeworldJTP 1 month ago
surely it should be number of people killed thanks to hitler and no. of years roughly they were in camps - excluding war acusalties. est. 4 years * 11/17 million = 44 million years of punishment min. but i dont think anyone really cares im just board.
bassmanco 1 month ago
@bassmanco Yeah that's right based on one year per kill. I came up with the 100+ million years based on the collective number of years his victims would have had if they had continued to live because i felt one year for killing someone was weak compared to the suffering they and their loved ones experienced. Obviously no one can know how many years that would be, but hell is a nonsense premise to begin with, so I figured I could add a little extra nonsense for the sake of argument.
proudtobeatheist1 1 month ago 3
@proudtobeatheist1 Just in the numbers dept. and out of sick curiosity myself. Is that 1 year per kill? Or 1 life sentence per kill? Roughly 20-25 years maybe 12-15 for good behavior. Although I think that may be a challenge lol.
Or as god is involved and knows "everything" would fair be the length of each life cut short. I must ask. even as long as that would be. What about punishment time on top for each offense? Plus all that suffered? Damn, 100+ may be on the short end.
pumpstations 1 month ago
@pumpstations I don't know. Math isn't my strongest subject. Any really big number will do I guess lol.
proudtobeatheist1 1 month ago
@proudtobeatheist1 its half the fun!
But thankyou for your work, i enjoy your channel, and i only wish i had the means and guts to get involved in this stuff too, but there is little i could bring to the table. Keep on truckin :D
bassmanco 1 month ago
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this is kind of dickish but wouldn't the suffering caused to their loved ones be decreased, by the fact that he killed most of said loved ones along with their families? they had no time to be negatively effected by the loss. The "opportunity cost" of killing them would be zero (in fact killing them would be a GOOD thing) if heaven existed, because he'd take away the mundane suffering of life and put them in heaven (well hell because they be jews)
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which reminds me. if god puts just 1 person in hell for infinite time, doesn't he deserve infinite punishment, for the crime of causing infinite pain? the 'no one deserves this' still stands as god doesn't exist. but if he did...
heaven changes what is good or bad, let alone how good or bad things are, and has to be included.
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Hitler was a good Christian so whatever nastiness against humanity he was guilty of doesn't stop him going straight to heaven... Even God in Genesis killed every living creature and plagued the Egyptians in Exodus so being nasty to humans is not deserving of eternal punishment but rejecting a belief in Jesus does deserve eternal punishment..
Christian morality is weird huh?
ozweblogs 1 month ago
@ozweblogs "Hitler was a good Christian"
Hitler was baptized catholic as a baby, but never attended a christian worship service in his adult life. He used some Christian terminology in his early speeches when still consolidating power in Germany, but by WWII he was denouncing it and equating it with communism and saying the Apostle Paul had perverted it. I wouldn't call that a good Christian.
ShaundalynChic 1 month ago
This video made like "rational revolution" is of equally kickass proportions! Nice work bro!
eat666shit 1 month ago
@eat666shit thank you!
proudtobeatheist1 1 month ago
@proudtobeatheist1 hitler died a catholic and was never booted out so according to them, all he had to do was say a few hail marys and paradise was his.
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 ....INCORRECT. Hitler was born to a Catholic mother who took him to church at an early age but .....JUST LIKE YOU....he left the church as soon as he was out of the house. JUST LIKE ME...Hitler was not an atheist...he was an agnostic.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 "...Hitler was......an agnostic."
and where did hitler ever call himself an agnostic? i have read many of his speeches where he references his belief in a deity but never one where he proclaims his non-seeing of any evidence for a god. could you provide a reference please. thanking you in advance.
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 ...many people NEVER in their lives admit they are an agnostic or an atheist. If you were a politician in the 1930's trying to become the leader of Germany (a strongly Catholic nation) ...that admission would have been detrimental to his struggle to reach the top. What Hitler did was to INVOKE GOD'S NAME into his retoric, much like the Ku Klux Klan did in America in the 50's and 60's. It's a common practice among politicians who have no relationship with God.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 oh hell no! You can't assert you know that someone is really atheist when they present themselves as theist. You aren't a freakin' mind reader of dead dictators. He claimed to be catholic, he used catholocism as a tool to control his people, so the "hitler was an atheist" argument is ridiculous! Maybe he was, maybe Obama is atheist, maybe muslim, maybe fred phelps is gay, maybe he's gay with brian fisher: but without any evidence these maybe's are lame.
proudtobeatheist1 1 month ago
@bornagain001 i asked for evidence that hitler called himself agnostic. you asserted that he was agnostic, where is your evidence? are you doing what all the religious people do and asserting something that you cannot prove?
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 ...no mare than your assertion about the Big Bang and evolution.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 i never asserted anything about any big bang or evolution. you said hitler was an agnostic and i was only asking where you got your evidence for that assertion. or were you making it up?
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 ...you ASSERTED Hilter was a Christian because he invoked God's name in some of his rallies and his book. My assertion is that Hitler was an agnostic because he never prayed, never went to mass, never seen with a Bible, never displayed any of the characteristics God tells us to look for in a true Christian.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 no, i asserted hitler was a catholic because hitler himself asserted that. please, start getting some facts right. have you tried typing in ' hitler catholic' in the youtube search bar yet? try it please then come back when you have seen and read some of the things that i have about hitler.
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 ...yes...I have seen the video. There is no doubt that Hilter and the Catholic Church were in bed together to protect both their intrests....theirs to remain in religious power, his to remain in political power. Another good video about Hitler is...Bonhoeffer Speaks Out Against Hitler and HITLER REMOVES CHRISTIANITY
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 "..no doubt..Hitler and the Catholic Church were in bed together..."
so where did this "Hitler was agnostic" come from then?
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 ...Hitler himself had no relationship with God. He had a mutual agreement with the Catholic Church. Using LOGIC...(rarely used by atheists) one can see by what He did in the History channels video....HITLER REMOVES CHRISTIANITY....he doubted the existence of God. No one who believes in God would do this.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 "Using LOGIC....(rarely used by atheists)"
since when has logic applied to someone who believes in the supernatural?
you are still ducking the question of where "hitler is an agnostic" came from. if you made it up, be honest and just say so.
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 ...the fact that Hitler was an agnostics comes from LOGICAL DEDUCTION whether he claimed it or not. Using LOGICAL DEDUCTION...and not even knowing you I would assert that you believe in evolution and the Big Bang. That you see nothing wrong with abortion but find homosexuality totally acceptable. Am I wrong?
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 What possible logical deduction would lead you to that conclusion. He referenced god constantly, now he may not have believed in your particular set of associated beliefs relating to god, but you could hardly call him a non-believer in god.
And as I said before, his belief or lack thereof was not his driving motive and therefore irrelevant.
SeanACampbell 1 month ago
"He referenced god constantly, now he may not have believed in your particular set of associated beliefs relating to god"
CORRECT. Many people create their own God who sees nothing wrong in rape, murder and genocide. It's one of God's 10 Commandments by which they will be held accountable.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 You have missed the point, yet again. You claim hitler did what he did because he was an atheist. I say, not only was he not an atheist, but what he did was not because of his belief in god or lack thereof.
For that reason, it is fundamentally dishonest of you to attempt to imply that he committed atrocities in the name of non-belief in god. People do things because of what they do believe, not because of what they don't believe.
SeanACampbell 1 month ago
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@bornagain001 "Many people create their own God who sees nothing wrong in rape, murder and genocide." Oh, like the God of the bible!
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
@bornagain001 i believe evolution via natural selection happened cause all the evidence from the last 150 odd years of research points that way. i know little about the big bang and its causes. now, the problem with abortions is why are women needing them. it is a lack of a proper sex education in many cases. i find hetrosexuality totally acceptable, so why would i find homosexuality unacceptable?
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fourbabies1 1 month ago
@bornagain001 ......you called yourself and hitler an "agnostic" in an earlier post, am i to logically deduce that you lied and you are in fact a theist? am i to deduce that you would have homosexuality punished like the iranians, or hitler for that matter, would? using logical deductions is it fair to say you have little understanding of the facts of evolution but gain your "knowledge" from your religious books rather than a biologist?
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 ...then that would make your LOGICAL DEDUCTIONS INCORRECT. I was forced by the state to study the MYTHS of evolution, abiogenesis and the bIG Bang in order to graduate from college. At the time, I drank the Kool Aid...voluntarily. Now...years later, I UNDERSTAND it is ILLOGICAL to think that something as complex as a single strand of DNA ...CREATED ITSELF. Of course the world is full of pseudo intellectuals who would have you believe this garbage.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 "...the MYTHS of evolution...."
so you are not an agnostic as you called yourself. you lied, ok, nothing new.
so you're saying it is logical for a creator but not for a creator of a creator. for that creator to make man from soil (but not the other animals), and to create himself in human flesh he has to impregnate a young virgin? all that with not a smattering of evidence? lol, i think we are done.
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 ...NO...I said I WAS an agnostic at one point in my life. We are ALL BORN ATHEISTS. None of us are born with any knowledge or personal relationship with God. You and I may be done but you can not avoid DEATH nor Judgment Day.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 "..can not avoid DEATH.."
only in myths and fables do people avoid death. check out the coming back from the dead and eternal life stories in certain superstitious books if you don't believe me.
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 ...the caterpillar CAN NOT POSSIBLY KNOW the transformation that is about to take place when it enters the cocoon. And yet you speak of things you know NOTHING about.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 the caterpillar whaaat? i speak of things i know nothing about?
what on earth are you on about? no, don't bother. you have no explanations, only superstitious belief.
fourbabies1 1 month ago
@fourbabies1 ..you act as though you KNOW what will happen to your soul after you die. Your ignorance is unbelievable.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 So, you lied about studying it, then. Why can't something start simple and then accumulate ccomplexity over time with self-replication with variation? That's the entire key to evolution. REPRODUCTION WITH VARIATION. I clock can't evolve because it doesn't reproduce with variation.
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
@Keitaro2011 .....Natural selection/self replication doesn’t drive molecules-to-man evolution; you are giving natural selection a power that it does not have—one that can supposedly add new information to the genome, as molecules-to-man evolution requires. But natural selection simply can’t do that because it works with information that already exists.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 EVERYTHING is "information". Molecules attract all the time. Also, information CAN be added! Ever hear of redundant DNA?
Keitaro2011 1 month ago
@bornagain001 Even if hitler did not believe in god, which I think is highly doubtful, the foot soldiers and German people, the people who committed most of the atrocities on his behalf, most certainly were. That is because anti-semitism had been pushed by the Church for years, giving Hitler the perfect breeding ground.
In any case, what difference would it make whether he was or was not religious. He didn't commit his atrocities in the name of athiesm or religion. He had other motives.
SeanACampbell 1 month ago
"That is because anti-semitism had been pushed by the Church for years, giving Hitler the perfect breeding ground."
There is a book out. It is called BONHOEFFER. It written by a German preacher who opposed Hitler. I suggest you read it since your understanding of history seems to be SKEWED.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 His religious beliefs (or lack thereof) are about as relevant to Hitlers motives as his veganism or the fact he had a mustache.
SeanACampbell 1 month ago
@bornagain001 that must've been awkward for all the soldiers- they would have had to remove their belts, which proclaimed on the buckle "Gott mit Uns" (God with us). Did the german army then have to run around with one hand on their pants to keep them from falling down? or did they wear suspenders? Also, did they remove that whole line from the soldier's oath that said "I swear BY GOD"? Just wondering...
schachtelw 1 month ago
@schachtelw ...awkward? Soldiers have NO SAY SO about the uniforms they wear...even today. You wear what they give you. Of course...having something invoking God's name does help the REICH look like they are on the right side.
bornagain001 1 month ago
@bornagain001 "What Hitler did was to INVOKE GOD'S NAME into his retoric, much like..." Rush, Rick, Ron, Michelle, Mitt and George, Ronnie etc before them.
FTFY.
PifflePrattle 1 month ago