I heard that you can take cocaine a week before it is actually still found in your body. So who knows, maybe he didn't take it all in the greenhouse. Just a thought.
Either way I'd rule Suicide out ,that's all I want ,I don't want him back lol most like a OD ,and a cover up ,if Kurt divorced Courtney ,shed get Nothing, or Kurt n Courtney Movie-his friend Dylan acts Really Wierd ,Courtney wanted a Sid N Nancy Life ,if u know the Storey Sid Kills Nancy ,Courtney Kills Kurt
@BlondAmericanAnarchy the only "murderer" is you blondamericananarchy. You have killed logic and reasoning and replaced it with paranoia and ignorance. You have no defense or rational reply to back up your stupidity so you revert to being the immature little girl that you are by calling people "gay". Youre idea of "punk" and "anarchy" is shopping at a mall and listening to my chemical romance. You are pathetic and i'd love to try to fit in with a real punk scene in nyc or la.
@BlondAmericanAnarchy The bank doesn't know when the transactions were actually made because the card was cancelled, so there's no proof that the card was used after Kurt died, DUH.
"The information that we have been able to receive from the bank has only been able to identify for us when the information was logged onto their mainframe computer, and not when specifically the attempt was made, or who it was made by."
Why would the "burden of proof" be on me when it is illogical Kurt discarded the card? Wouldn't Kurt be more likely to know Courtney cancelled the card, so why would he continue to try to use it? Particularly, after he was dead.
I would like to see medical records proving Kurt actually overdosed. It's common for people to doze off when on heroin. Who saw Courtney give him CPR? Her friends who would say what she wants them to? Okay, not proof.
No, the burden of proof is on you, proving that there's any reason to think Kurt would simply throw the card away. Anyone can assert anything. For instance, monkey's might fly out of your ass. But saying it doesn't prove it. There was no reason for Kurt to just throw his card away. Why would he discard it intact? For thieves to grab it? Kurt was a careful person regarding money.
@judyleasugar97 No, the burden of proof is on YOU to show that the card was stolen, and not lost or discarded. The bank records don't speak for when the transactions were made, so there isn't any proof that the card was used after he died, and no reason to believe it was stolen. The card was CANCELED, duh, so even if a "thief" did find it, it would be denied, and a cancelled card was hardly of any use to Kurt, especially if you assume he knew he wouldn't be around for much longer
LOL As if you even understand the meaning of the word "logic", you're so emotionally vested in your position that you can't even remain civil or be rational. The burden of proof is on those claiming that the card was used after Kurt died, and was therefore stolen. The bank can't say when the transactions were made, so there's no proof it was used after he died, and therefore no proof the card was stolen at all. It's just as likely Kurt lost or trashed the useless card while he was still alive.
Also, saying it's possible someone did something because you or I aren't that person is not proof that they did it. Looking at it logically, why would someone throw away their card because it didn't work a few times? I wouldn't, and Kurt wasn't a fool. Your insinuations about him are very insulting.
@judyleasugar97 I'm not saying that I have "proof" that Cobain chucked the card, I'm saying that it can't be ruled out with the information available. It *could* have been stolen, thrown away, misplaced, etc. LOL at how personally you seem to take the "insinuation" that Kurt would throw away a canceled credit card? You didn't know Kurt, you just like to think that you can speak intelligently about what he would or would not have done in a particular situation.
@judyleasugar97 Have you ever had a credit card, Judy?? Transactions don't post the same day the transaction was made or attempted. Sometimes it takes a few business days. Listen to what the bank told the cops: they can't speak for when the actual attempts were made, so not even the bank has the specifics in this case. That's why there's no proof that the transactions were attempted after Cobain was dead, and no proof the card was stolen.
To Judy: "The information that we have been able to receive from the bank has only been able to identify for us when the information was logged onto their mainframe computer, and not specifically when the attempt was made, or who it was made by." That's from Part 2 of this video. As usual, you simply have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about, and have gotten yet another easily verifiable bit of information completely wrong.
Beyond that, it doesn't really matter what you or I would, or would not do if we found ourselves in Kurt's shoes, because we aren't Kurt Cobain. It is hardly outside the realm of possibilities that a person could decide to throw out a useless, canceled credit card, especially if you assume they weren't exactly planning on sticking around for very much longer, anyway. The missing credit card is a big, fat dead end, just like the rest of Tom Grant's "evidence".
As usual, your statements are completely untrue. They were able to determine the last attempt was made after Kurt was dead. If one of your credit cards was temporarily dysfunctional would you just throw it away? No.
@judyleasugar97 LOL As usual, YOU are completely ignorant and have your facts twisted around. The bank said numerous times that they did not track the dates or locations of attempted transactions made on canceled cards/accounts. Since Kurt's card was canceled, the only information that they were able to obtain was the date that the attempted transactions posted in their database (which AGAIN often times takes a few business days), and the dollar amount of the transactions.
Attempts were made after Kurt was officially dead, therefore the card was stolen. It would be contrary to Kurt's character to simply throw the card away.
@judyleasugar97 No - the records don't confirm WHEN or WHERE the actual attempted transactions were made. They only speak for when they posted in their database, and that can take a few days. How would you have any idea what would or would not be "contrary to Kurt's character"??? Did you know the guy personally?? Didn't think so. It would make sense that a useless, canceled credit card would be thrown away in frustration.
There is absolutely no evidence that Kurt threw his credit card away. You like to present a lot of far fetched theories and then not back them up with any evidence.
@judyleasugar97 The card was gone, no one knows where it ended up, and there isn't any evidence that it was "stolen" by anyone either. Because the card was canceled, the bank doesn't know when or where the attempted transactions were made, they only know when the attempts cleared their database, which can take a few days, especially in the early '90's. It's AT LEAST just as likely that he threw useless fucking card away as it is that it was "stolen". Again, no proof of foul play.
@girliegirl1981 Aaaaww!! :( Do bad words make you cry, girliegirl?? :'-( Most of us are adults here, I think you can tough it out ;) Or, maybe you should just avert your sensitive eyes from YT comments sections, if you can't handle a swear word or three :)
Why is it the police made such a lack of an attempt to even track down who was using the credit cards, god in the 90's it's like the police didn't even care, what with O.J, Biggie Smalls and 2pac it's just wrong
They never mentioned El Duce. The guy who said Courtney Love offered him 50K to kill Kurt. The guy did an interview, saying he knew who did it, mentioned an "Alan". El Duce got run over by a train days later.
@Aluz3gunner The shotgun that Kurt used was not a very large model - the weapon was photographed and measured by the Seattle PD, and the barrel was only 22 inches long. Cobain placed the muzzle in his mouth, with the butt end of the weapon between his legs, held the barrel in place with his left hand and pulled the trigger with his right hand.
@girliegirl1981 From the evidence that's been made available to us, it's clear that my description is more than simply "plausible", but is in fact highly likely. Cadaveric spasm is a freezing into place of certain muscles that were contracted in the victim's act of life - it's a very useful condition for medical examiners in determining what the victim was doing/clutching at the exact moment they received a sudden traumatic blow to the head or heart, for example.
@TestMeatDollSteak "Plausible", yes. "Highly likely", that's debatable! Is it not possible that Cobain was incapacitated by high levels of heroin and his hands were placed around the trigger of the gun?! I'll agree that neither of us have all the answers, TMDS! :)
@girliegirl1981 Murder conspiracy theorists are always asking to be shown another recorded case of a person being able to function with a blood morphine level approaching Cobain's reported 1.52mg/L level. I would challenge you, or anyone else to find another case of a cadaveric spasm resulting in a victim that was thought to be in a coma at the time of death?? The literature on cadaveric spasm bolsters the official ruling. I would like to see the autopsy reports/crime scene photos released.
@TestMeatDollSteak You show me another recorded case of a person being able to function with a blood morphine level equal to Cobain's and I'll find you another case of a cadaveric spasm resulting in a victim that was thought to be in a coma or incapacitated at the time of death, babydoll! ;)
@girliegirl1981 You know good and well that you'd never be able to make good on that wager, Miss Girliegirl :) The literature on cadaveric spasm mentions nothing of even *occasionally* being observed in comatose/unconscious victims, and instead is universally described as having been observed to occur in victims that were under extreme physical or emotional duress at the moment they receive a sudden kill shot to the head or heart. If Cobain were in a coma, where is the duress??
@girliegirl1981 I will agree, however, that without the full autopsy reports and crime scene photos (which have never been made public) that we cannot know for sure :)
@smileygreenlizard4u Get your facts straight - there where several witnessness that saw Kurt nearly died of a overdose of herion in 1993, just before he was going out to the show (yes, people actually saw him inject it). Courtney Love gave him CPR, and he was able to reattend to the show. I´m not saying that Courtney Love didnt kill him, Im just saying that some of the guys who blame her dont have any proof, despite the unignorable presence of it.
1. ALL addicts are given consequences for not agreeing to go to treatment, that's part of the intervention process, duh. Clean and sober people are not admitted into drug treatment programs. Double duh.
2. Addicts lie about their drug use. Duh again.
3. People who kick drugs and start eating properly again gain body weight fairly rapidly. Kurt wasn't showing any signs of eating right/weight gain, which doesn't fit with your moronic theory.
Who's information? Courtney's? Yeah, we really believe her.
1. Kurt only went to rehab because Courtney refused to let him see Frances otherwise. She did so to establish a suicide trail, a reason for the so called suicide.
2. Kurt was only addicted to heroin for 2 years. He did not say he was addicted the last months of his life.
3. Again, how does his being underweight prove anything at all? I wouldn't want to eat if I was married to Courtney.
Geez, that's not much of an argument: how come he didn't gain weight right away. Yeah, that really proves anything. Particularly when he had Courtney harassing him. I don't think I'd wanna eat either if I had to look at her face.
You've got it backwards, sweety :) YOUR argument that Kurt was ever clean for a significant amount of time in 1994 is what doesn't follow from the information available:
1. Kurt was admitted into drug rehab just days prior to his death
2. Kurt had a self-admitted history of heroin addiction.
3. Kurt was severely underweight when he died.
4. Kurt surrounded himself w/ known drug addicts the last months of his life (both his friends and Courtney"s)
@profaneoneohone People don't gain weight immediately?? THAT'S your response?? According to YOU, Kurt was clean, off drugs, eating better and taking his prescription meds for MONTHS by the time that he died, yet an easily verified fact is that Kurt weighed close to 120lbs when he died. A person can EASILY gain 5-10lbs in a single WEEK of increased calorie intake, let alone several MONTHS. If your theory were true, then it doesn't logically follow that Kurt should still be so underweight.
Another thing to consider...why has Tom Grant never speculated that Kurt was clean and sober in 1994, hmmm?? Tom believes that Kurt was murdered, and yet he also believes that Kurt and Dylan were both active heroin addicts. Tom also does NOT believe that Dylan had anything to do with Kurt's death. This is the guy YOU look to for information about Kurt's final days, and even HE believes that Kurt was a heroin addict when he died :)
@TestMeatDollSteak I'll agree with your assessment that Cobain was (most likely) still actively addicted to and using heroin at the time of his death HOWEVER I'm of the opinion that the circumstances surrounding Cobain's death are HIGHLY suspicious! Why do you have to be such a hater TestMeatDollSteak? Huh?
@girliegirl1981 Who's being a hater, girliegirl, LOL! :) The subject of this particular conversation is whether the totality of the evidence suggests that Kurt Cobain was most likely addicted to drugs when he died, or that he was living clean and sober when he died. I am trying to point out that it simply makes the MOST sense that Kurt was, sadly, a drug addict when his life ended. The people who think otherwise are, IMO, not seeing the forest for the trees :)
@TestMeatDollSteak We agree: Kurt Cobain was most likely still addicted to and regularly using heroin when he died. I do not believe that Cobain was clean and sober in his final months! You're still a hater, though! ;)
@profaneoneohone *Supposedly* that's what he wrote to her in Rome when he awoke from his coma, but let's assume it's accurate: This is the same guy that YOU think would just roll over and go to a drug rehab if he knew he were clean and sober already, according to morons like you?? NO addict actually WANTS to go to rehab, they all are given consequences for refusing treatment, that's part of the intervention process. CL refusing to let Kurt see Frances doesn't mean he didn't need treatment.
@profaneoneohone And why, pray tell, was Kurt's body weight still so extremely low when he died, if he had actually been successfully off heroin for an extended period of time, eating well, and taking his prescription meds that supposedly "cured" his stomach condition?? That alone doesn't reconcile with your dumbass theory, not to mention the fact that Kurt was admitted into a drug rehab facility just days prior to his death. The totality of the evidence suggests Kurt NEVER got clean for long.
Not only was his blood test clean of morphine in Rome, other musicians on tour with him for months said he was clean. The guy was trying to kick heroin. This idea he was some out of control addict is completely false.
@profaneoneohone "Trying" to kick heroin, and successfully kicking it for a long period of time are two completely different things - you Do understand that, right? There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Kurt went through periods of detox and relapse, just like nearly ALL addicts. Those musicians (Buzzcocks) only knew Kurt/Nirvana for a few weeks on the European leg of the In Utero tour, and a blood test doesn't prove ANYTHING beyond 3 days clean, sorry.
Kurt was extremely underweight when he died, something like 115-120 lbs. Why do you think that is, if his stomach condition had been "cured" by miracle meds for over a year by that point, according to Cobain himself? Kurt never stopped using drugs, everyone that was close to him when he died (his band, Dylan Carlson, the couple's nannies) all confirm that. The fact that Kurt was admitted into rehab is further proof of that. This notion that he was "clean" simply defies logic.
@profaneoneohone thats untrue actually they put on an intervention for him and that is why he was in rehab, i am not saying he wasnt murdered but he wasnt the clean freaking person everyone makes him out to be, he was a messed up human being , i love him so much & and read and studied everything about him and about this case and i always go back and forward
@kylas124: The sham intervention was organized by Courtney who was still on heroin herself. That should make you wonder. He only agreed to go to rehab because Courtney refused to let him see Frances otherwise. It was all Courtney trying to establish what's called a suicide trail -- make someone LOOK like they can't get off drugs and . . . well, there's your pretend reason for suicide. Consider this, why was Kurt's blood test at the Rome hospital clean of morphine a month before his death?
@profaneoneohone Listen to yourself - if Kurt were clean and sober, why wouldn't he have just told Courtney to fuck off?? He wasn't the henpecked pussy you'd like to think he was, if you read ANY of his interviews, or read any of Nirvana's bios, you'd get that notion. If Kurt were really that scared of her, why did he pull out of Lollapalooza, even though it pissed Courtney off to no end?? Rarely do ANY junkies actually WANT to go to rehab. Kurt was no different.
@profaneoneohone You've had this explained to you MILLIONS & MILLIONS of times by now...a blood test for morphine, whether positive or negative, can only speak for the THREE DAYS prior to the blood being drawn. That's it. If that's the best "evidence" you have of Kurt being completely clean, then you need to go back to the drawing board. Kurt was in Europe when that test would have been taken, away from his dealers and generally paranoid of being exposed, so it's no surprise it would be negative
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You're quoting them from 16 years ago when they were deceived by Courtney. Has Kurt's family said these things lately? It was never proven the Rome overdose was a suicide attempt, in fact the doctor who treated him said it wasn't.
@pabkas76 He had tried to kill himself by taking pills & drinking a load of alcohol not too long before he actually succeeded (Dave and Pat talks about it in Back & Forth), but he was brought to the hospital. I think he wanted to make sure that that wouldn't happen again.
I'm not a huge fan of Courtney but I don't think his suicide had anything to do with her, definitely not her fault. He'd been suicidal off and on throughout most of his life.
Most people who believe Kurt killed himself know little to nothing about the case and the strange events that surround his death. All I can say is that before you reach an opinion, try to actually research it first. What I can tell you is that back in 1994 I too thought it was suicide. It wasn't until like 1996 or so until I actually took the time to look into it did I begin to change my opinion.
he was unlucky, he was married with F***** bitch call COURTNEY LOVE. think about this, if your wife really loves you, you really think, that she will let you buy a shotgun,?????, if she really loved him, the first thing that she probably can do, was take the gun away from him. and stayed close of him, taking care of his drug addiction. but she never loved him.
.to begin to write,,,at the same time ...that bitch is dictating you....she prepares another dose for you....after that...some crazy stuff start going through your mind..the bitch start telling you ..put in on your head and shoot...put in on your head and shoot ...put it on your head and shoot.....*now you are spellbound...)*the bitch words are too strong...like a witch spell...you put the gun ...and bawwwwwwwwwwwwww
Just try to imagine......you are a rocker...you are an artist...and you are on drug....you have a shot gun...and you got your bitch with you... then the bitch start poisoning your mind (because you just escape from death ,and you are not mentally stable... )and now ..you are high on heroin .... the bitch keep talking about death death death... (as you are a song writer...so you have a pen and paper handy ) the bitch start talking about suicide...you start to feel inspired...to begin to write
There should have been been a crazy fan for Kurt also ..just like there was for Pantera..but this one should have killed Courtney....There surely is a conspiracy behind his death....money money money money....she did it all for money
What type of morphine? Orally ingested methadone hits the system much slower than intravenously injected heroin. It's possible someone could function on methadone. Also, if injected, what method was used? Intravenously, subcutaneously, intramuscularly? All of these things make a difference in how fast it hits the system, and Hartshorne did not specify.
Where did you get your "degree"? Three Stooges Institute? It's obvious you are the one who doesn't know anything. Overdosing does not prove suicidalness, more likely that one didn't know the purity of the heroin injected. Kurt didn't take rohypnol. He rarely drank alcohol. Why would he try to kill himself this way? It doesn't make sense.
People who knew Kurt have said Kurt meant the song "I hate myself and I want to die" to be a joke. Again, you are referring to unsubstantiated stories.
Give me some proof Kurt "od'd several times." Medical records? You should know od'ing is not proof of suicidalness, it's proof of injecting heroin that's purer than you thought it was.
The rohypnol was Courtney's prescription. Gilleta said Kurt was not suicidal. I'm going by his evaluation.
Posing with a gun was some unfortunate performance art on Kurt's part. It meant nothing. "I hate myself and I want to die" is satire. He was poking fun of people who complain.
@profaneoneohone First "i hate myself and want to die" wasnt kurt poking fun of people who complain. If you were alive when kurt was you would have read several interviews where kurt clearly expalined that the reason for "i hate myself and want to die" was cause that's how he feels sometimes. Those are his exact words. Second there are no medical records for kurt's od cause he was woken up, also medical records are private and no public info.
@profaneoneohone what does the name on the prescription of ruffies have to do with kurt admitting to taking them??? Kurt and Courtney shared drugs and did drugs together. YOu dont think it was at all possible that kurt and courtney shared prescription drugs?? Where you ever a drug addict? Do you know the kind of lifestyle and behavior of addicts. If kurt and courtney were using heroin together why wouldnt they share prescription drugs?? Courtneys name on the script means nothing..
@profaneoneohone the more and more you talk about drugs and addiction the more obvious it becomes that you know nothing about the subject. I take the words of Krist and Dave who were close friends of kurt and knew him personally over the opinions of anyone else. You obviously dont know anything about the requirements that rehabs have to admit someone and you obviously know nothing about addiction.
The problem with the no ceiling for heroin tolerance argument is that it is not supported by a single case in history of anyone who could function with this level of heroin. You can argue theory all you like, but that's all it is. A theory.
@profaneoneohone you are insane and you obviously know nothing about addiction and mental illness. I am getting my bachelor degree in drug/alachol addiction and i was a junky from 17 till i was 30 years old. Kurt od on heroin several times (that is a sign of being suicidal) kurt od on ruffies one month before he died. Kurt posed for photos with a gun in his mouth and even called a song " i hate myself and want to die".
@profaneoneohone when kurt was asked about the title " i hate myself and want to die" he said cause thats how i feel sometimes. Kurt even talked about killing himself several times, have you even read tha Azzard book where kurt talks about killing himself?
" it is not supported by a single case in history of anyone who could function with this level of heroin".
Dr. Hartshhorne gave you one darling, he said the man involved in a particular case was able to drive and had a higher dose of morphine than what was reported by the media in the Cobain case.
Kurt was on opiates the last weeks of his life, so dont try to equal Kurt's tolerance to a non-users, it doesnt work that way.
The doctor from Rome, Gilleta, also made no mention of Kurt's OD appearing to be a "murder attempt", as a lot of people seem to believe. If you trust that the doctor was competent enough to notice a suicide attempt, you'd also think he'd be able to tell if Kurt were the victim of some malicious attempt on his life. It's clear that Kurt insisted the whole thing was "a mistake". Will we ever know for sure? Doubt it.
Fine, it might not be "the norm", but the allegations against Cameron don't PROVE that anyone in the department was bribed by Love, nor is it even evidence of bribery. The only thing it PROVES is that Cameron had a history of stealing cash from crime scenes, and for the record, Cobain was found with couple hundred in cash on him.
They are not all as bad as Seattle. Seattle pd has a bad reputation. And as I said, the lead detective was caught stealing money from crime scenes. That's not the norm.
The lead detective in the case had to retire early under allegations he was stealing money from crime scenes. A history of corruption in that police dept, and we're supposed to trust them?
What would the seattle police have to gain by covering anything up? Get the fuck outta here......the whole lot of you are commenting on something which you have no first hand knowledge on.
Actually if you ever studied up on heroin, the LETHAL dose ranges 200-500 mgs for someone who's NONUSER, so when they say Kurt Cobain took 3x times the lethal dose (225 mgs), which is in the range for just the LETHAL (not 3x) for a nonuser.
So evidence indicates that Kurt very well might have survived and been able to function after his heroin injection.
@profaneoneohone No, are you able to read English?? I'll quote myself, AGAIN: "Song lyrics are open to interpretation, and that might be YOUR take on the You Know You're Right lyrics, but Kurt never gave HIS take on them, so how could you possibly know what he's singing about?" The fact that you feel it's acceptable to offer your subjective OPINION of the meaning of some song lyrics as evidence of ANYTHING shows just how far up your own ass your head is.
But Kurt was planning to divorce Courtney and cut her out of his will. It is known Courtney was cheating on Kurt. She herself admitted the letter he wrote her in Rome was a diatribe against her. That is enough of a basis to see anger in "You Know You're right" against Courtney Love. Since there is no proof whatsoever that Kurt was suicidal at that time, what basis is there to think "Look on the bright side, suicide" is about anything beyond ironically strung together ideas.
@profaneoneohone Are you actually this stupid, or is it an act? There is plenty of evidence that there was talk of a divorce between the couple, in the form of Rosemary Carroll's statements and Love's own admissions, but offering YOUR OWN interpretation of his song lyrics as further evidence? That's fucking idiotic. The fact that you're willing to do that makes you look just as stupid as the people who use the "look on the bright side is suicide" line as evidence that he killed himself. Get it?
@profaneoneohone And you could just as easily be "reading out" of it what you DON'T want to hear. Dave's account of his conversation w/ Kurt AFTER his return home from the Rome OD doesn't fit with the notion hat Kurt was drugged unawares, as many people are often asserting.
Kurt didn't have to admit it. Trained medical professionals can spot signs of depression. According to Gilleta, Kurt was not suicidal. I'm going with the diagnosis of a trained professional.
Kurt knew his grandfather his entire life, even lived with him for a time, but you don't accept Leland as someone who really knew Kurt? Oh come on.
Kurt's comments to Dave were vague. He was not as you put it, accepting responsibility for the incident. He told Dr. Gilleta in Rome and other people that he didn't remember what happened the night he overdosed on rohypnol. You have misinterpreted the conversation with Dave.
@profaneoneohone why would kurt admit to a doctor that he tried to kill himself and maybe have that get released in the media? Kurt admitted to dave that he took the ruffies and od in rome. Dave has no reason to lie or make up a conversation with kurt. All of the info that you use for your illogical views rely on 3rd or 4th rate witnesses and you exclude the accounts of people who knew kurt for years and worked with him.
@profaneoneohone Galleta's statements about Kurt's memory were made while Kurt was IN HOSPITAL recovering, right after the OD. Kurt talked to Dave AFTER he got back to Seattle, AFTER being released from the hospital. Watch Dave's explanation of the conversation, from the Back and Forth documentary. Kurt didn't tell Dave that he "couldn't remember", or that he "somehow ended up" with rohypnol in his system - he told him he took the pills, drank champagne. You're trying to twist it all around.
Regardless, you've missed the point entirely. Using song lyrics, especially lyrics that the author never offered his OWN explanation of, as "evidence" of his suicide or murder, one way or the other, is utterly fucking retarded. The fact that you seem to think you know what all his songs mean just proves how completely out of touch with reality you are.
@TestMeatDollSteak: Seriously, if every dark lyric ever written was a sign of suicidalness the music industry would be rife with suicides, it isn't. Not proof.
@profaneoneohone I'll quote myself: "Using song lyrics, especially lyrics that the author never offered his OWN explanation of, as 'evidence' of his suicide or murder one way or the other, is fucking retarded." You've offered your OWN interpretation of the lyrics to You Know You're Right as "evidence" that Kurt was divorcing Courtney, and I offered the line from "Milk It" to illustrate how fucking idiotic it is to offer song lyrics as "evidence" of anything. Derp!
"Milk it" lyrics are a series of ironically thrown together subjects. "Look on the bright side" and "suicide" are humorous when put together. That's all he meant by it. It certainly WASN'T a declaration of any intention of off himself.
You're misconstruing the situation. Kurt didn't remember and was merely acknowledging somehow the rohypnol wound up in his system. The dr left it as an accident. My point is, as a trained professional he would have recognized someone who was suicidal. Kurt wasn't.
@profaneoneohone If Kurt "didn't remember", then why didn't he tell Dave as much? Kurt told Dave that he took the pills. The guy that YOU think was the victim of a murder attempt was accepting responsibility for the OD to his own personal friends, that says something. My point is, as a trained professional, the doctor should have noted that it was either an intentional OD, or a suspicious murder attempt, one way or the other. Apparently, he didn't make any such observations.
Kurt merely told Dave he ingested the rohypnol somehow. He didn't say he intentionally took it. The dr who treated him in Rome say it wasn't a suicide attempt. I would think a trained professional would know better than you.
@profaneoneohone No, Kurt didn't tell Dave that he "ingested the rohypnol somehow", he told Dave "I was taking these pills, and drinking champagne", and apologized to him, calling it "a mistake". Watch the Foo Fighters documentary Back and Forth, Dave talks about his phone conversation w/ Kurt after the Rome OD. The doctor in Rome also never said anything about Kurt's OD appearing to be a murder attempt, either. The doctor believed Kurt had simply unintentionally OD'd.
Just because Kurt was not announcing his divorce yet doesn't mean it wasn't about to happen. He was a very private person. His attorney said he was drawing up papers to divorce her and cut her out of his will. Listen to the anger in In Utero: You Know Your Right is all about divorcing the cheating bitch Courtney. Ending line: You know your rights, as in divorce rights.
@profaneoneohone tell me whats your evidence of kurt being sober and off drugs? Does a sober person admit to anyone that they tried to od on ruffies one month before they are found dead? Does a sober, sane, mentally healthy person try to kill them self with pills? Dave admits that he spoke with kurt and that kurt admitted to trying to kill himself in rome. If you dont believe what happened in rome then tell me what reasons do Dave or Krist have to lie about kurts addiction and death?
@profaneoneohone OK, if you're going to use song lyrics as evidence, then how about the line "Look on the bright side is suicide" from Milk It? Lyrics are open to interpretation, and that might be YOUR take on the YKYR lyrics, but Kurt never gave HIS take on them, so how could you possibly know what he was singing about? Kurt talked to his attorney about a divorce, but even she has since said that she isn't sure how serious he was about it. Kurt was clearly torn about what to do.
Kurt Cobain's final press interview, Fender Frontilne magazine, conducted in Feb 94, less than 2 months from his death:'
"Playing music is what I do - my family is who I am. When everyone's forgotten about Nirvana & I'm on some revival tour opening for the Temptations and the 4 Tops, Frances Bean will still be my daughter and Courtney will still be my wife. That means more than anything else to me."
Why is it so hard to imagine that the idea of losing his wife and child was devastating to him?
Kurt Cobain loved Courtney Love. He married her. Had a child with her. Vehemently defended her in the press. Towards the end, they were having problems, like most couples do. Who the fuck are you to judge their relationship? When was the last time you had a marriage work out perfectly? Live your own life and stop fantasizing about being with a guy that's been dead for 17 years, who you never met ONCE. And, sorry, if you think Kurt was ever clean for significant amount of time, you're retarded.
Kurt didn't "fail at everything". He was a great father. He was a wonderful musician. He had a social conscience. He was articulate. He was very funny. He was a kind friend. There is even evidence he was off drugs at the end. He succeeded more than most. The big mistake he made was marrying the bitch Courtney. I wish he hadn't done that.
Yeah, Kurt was paranoid. He talked about his paranoia in his Journals. The combination of his drug addiction with his notoriety as a world-famous celebrity compounded his paranoia of being followed, watched, etc. When you read the police reports, Dylan actually tried to get Kurt to buy a 12 gauge pistol grip shotgun, a much more powerful weapon. The only reason Kurt ended up getting the 20 gauge was because the gun shop didn't have anymore 12 gauge models in stock that particular day.
@profaneoneohone Wrong......after the drugs intervention wich she saw as tough love,and his band mates there asking him to stop using there was a massive row,because Kurt didnt want to give up on his security blanket. He ended up escaping...buying a gun,lots of bullets and heroin. He was a known suicidal person.....there is no mystery here....He wanted to burn out not fade away.
@1THETRUTH10: Are you aware of the evidence Courtney murdered Kurt? The sham intervention she arranged was all part of what's called a suicide trail, something to make the public believe Kurt was this out of control addict about to self distruct. WRONG. Kurt asked Dylan to buy the gun for him BEFORE rehab because he was afraid someone was following him / going to break into his house (security model, birdshot), the reason he was installing security in the house. Please see cobaincase(dot)com.
Eldon Hoke claimed that Courtney Love offered him $50,000 to kill Kurt. Approximately after a week of his claim, Hoke's body was found near a railroad, it was determined he had stumbled in front of a train and been hit, although it is believed he was murdered for revealing information about Cobain's murder.
Why was Grant relying so heavily on Cali DeWitt, a 20-yr-old drug addict, to point him in all the right places in their search for Kurt? Grant was supposed to be an experienced, professional P.I. Had he been more alert, inquisitive, and aware of his surroundings, he could have insisted they check out the large, detached garage w/ the balcony and windows above it. Had that happened, would there even be a cobaincase web-site?
Let's see...we're supposed to believe the guy that searched Kurt's entire home and never thought to ask if there was a shed, garage or guest house where he might be holed up?
I started to read the theory death of Kurt Cobain. Sounds interesting and although i'm not American citizen, I'm from way other state, i'm Buddha guy, and i know stating our own opinion towards Cobain's death in different ways doesn't solve anything but I only know 1 thing that Kurt was indeed, really killed himself....I can't tell you why but I would like to read his theory once again...
Sorry, but blaming the fact that there is virtually no support for the murder theory amongst Kurt Cobain's family and friends on Courtney Love's "deception" is pretty lame, and it sells Kurt's friends and family short. Krist, Dave, Kurt's parents, his Aunt Mari, Dylan - they all knew Kurt personally and intimately. Many of these people (Wendy, Dave, Krist) have had major problems w/ Love, & the "evidence" in favor of murder has been public for over a decade. Yet they maintain Kurt killed himself
Marcel B. Matley: "As to the last 4 lines, there are more than a dozen differences that should give us pause, and we would have to reasonably explain these differences before we can conclude that the same person wrote these lines." - Matley hasn't ruled out the possibility that Kurt wrote the lines, even considering the discrepancies. Why isn't a "reasonable explanation" that Kurt was under the influence of dope when he added the odd-looking lines? Makes sense to me.
Reginald Alton: "There are many indications that there *may* have been a second hand at work." He also later added: "The copies are too poor to make a firm pronouncement." He's clearly saying that it's possible that there were two authors, but that he can't say for sure because the copy is too poor. So it neither conclusively confirms nor denies Cobain as the author.
The electrician found him... Anyone want to guess who sent him there??? COURNEY!! Why would she take the time to send someone to work on the house when she was supposed to be worried sick about Kurt. And she instructed him to check the greenhouse LOL. Courney wanted him discovered asap so it wouldnt interfere with Hole's album that was conveniantly released 4 DAYS AFTER his body was discovered. She was using the media attention to the fullest. She even admits this will help sales.
I'll post it here too,-with any murder - follow the money.Anyone who understands heroin, knows that the amount within his body eliminates the possible chance of not only lining up the gun, and pulling the trigger, but also the crazy thought of placing all the heroin backin plce.
And the note? Handwriting experts have sworn that there was two writers. 2.
I heard that you can take cocaine a week before it is actually still found in your body. So who knows, maybe he didn't take it all in the greenhouse. Just a thought.
lacycr96 3 days ago
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renachagui 1 week ago
Either way I'd rule Suicide out ,that's all I want ,I don't want him back lol most like a OD ,and a cover up ,if Kurt divorced Courtney ,shed get Nothing, or Kurt n Courtney Movie-his friend Dylan acts Really Wierd ,Courtney wanted a Sid N Nancy Life ,if u know the Storey Sid Kills Nancy ,Courtney Kills Kurt
irwinpaul666 2 weeks ago
MURDER
BlondAmericanAnarchy 3 weeks ago
@BlondAmericanAnarchy the only "murderer" is you blondamericananarchy. You have killed logic and reasoning and replaced it with paranoia and ignorance. You have no defense or rational reply to back up your stupidity so you revert to being the immature little girl that you are by calling people "gay". Youre idea of "punk" and "anarchy" is shopping at a mall and listening to my chemical romance. You are pathetic and i'd love to try to fit in with a real punk scene in nyc or la.
EdinAmmar 1 week ago
he had 3x the amount of morphine in his blood thast can kill
ssraper300 3 weeks ago
kurt cobain is not killed
enchantkai 3 weeks ago
Someone can't use their credit card after they're dead. Duh.
BlondAmericanAnarchy 1 month ago
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@BlondAmericanAnarchy The bank doesn't know when the transactions were actually made because the card was cancelled, so there's no proof that the card was used after Kurt died, DUH.
"The information that we have been able to receive from the bank has only been able to identify for us when the information was logged onto their mainframe computer, and not when specifically the attempt was made, or who it was made by."
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago 32
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Why would the "burden of proof" be on me when it is illogical Kurt discarded the card? Wouldn't Kurt be more likely to know Courtney cancelled the card, so why would he continue to try to use it? Particularly, after he was dead.
judyleasugar97 1 month ago
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judyleasugar97 1 month ago
I would like to see medical records proving Kurt actually overdosed. It's common for people to doze off when on heroin. Who saw Courtney give him CPR? Her friends who would say what she wants them to? Okay, not proof.
smileygreenlizard4u 1 month ago
No, the burden of proof is on you, proving that there's any reason to think Kurt would simply throw the card away. Anyone can assert anything. For instance, monkey's might fly out of your ass. But saying it doesn't prove it. There was no reason for Kurt to just throw his card away. Why would he discard it intact? For thieves to grab it? Kurt was a careful person regarding money.
judyleasugar97 1 month ago
@judyleasugar97 No, the burden of proof is on YOU to show that the card was stolen, and not lost or discarded. The bank records don't speak for when the transactions were made, so there isn't any proof that the card was used after he died, and no reason to believe it was stolen. The card was CANCELED, duh, so even if a "thief" did find it, it would be denied, and a cancelled card was hardly of any use to Kurt, especially if you assume he knew he wouldn't be around for much longer
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
LOL As if you even understand the meaning of the word "logic", you're so emotionally vested in your position that you can't even remain civil or be rational. The burden of proof is on those claiming that the card was used after Kurt died, and was therefore stolen. The bank can't say when the transactions were made, so there's no proof it was used after he died, and therefore no proof the card was stolen at all. It's just as likely Kurt lost or trashed the useless card while he was still alive.
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
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It's ruled out by using logic, something you don't have. Monkeys might fly out of your ass too. We can't rule that out.
judyleasugar97 1 month ago
Also, saying it's possible someone did something because you or I aren't that person is not proof that they did it. Looking at it logically, why would someone throw away their card because it didn't work a few times? I wouldn't, and Kurt wasn't a fool. Your insinuations about him are very insulting.
judyleasugar97 1 month ago
@judyleasugar97 I'm not saying that I have "proof" that Cobain chucked the card, I'm saying that it can't be ruled out with the information available. It *could* have been stolen, thrown away, misplaced, etc. LOL at how personally you seem to take the "insinuation" that Kurt would throw away a canceled credit card? You didn't know Kurt, you just like to think that you can speak intelligently about what he would or would not have done in a particular situation.
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
Saying that something "often takes days" is not specific. You don't have specifics regarding these particular transactions.
judyleasugar97 1 month ago
@judyleasugar97 Have you ever had a credit card, Judy?? Transactions don't post the same day the transaction was made or attempted. Sometimes it takes a few business days. Listen to what the bank told the cops: they can't speak for when the actual attempts were made, so not even the bank has the specifics in this case. That's why there's no proof that the transactions were attempted after Cobain was dead, and no proof the card was stolen.
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago 27
To Judy: "The information that we have been able to receive from the bank has only been able to identify for us when the information was logged onto their mainframe computer, and not specifically when the attempt was made, or who it was made by." That's from Part 2 of this video. As usual, you simply have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about, and have gotten yet another easily verifiable bit of information completely wrong.
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
Beyond that, it doesn't really matter what you or I would, or would not do if we found ourselves in Kurt's shoes, because we aren't Kurt Cobain. It is hardly outside the realm of possibilities that a person could decide to throw out a useless, canceled credit card, especially if you assume they weren't exactly planning on sticking around for very much longer, anyway. The missing credit card is a big, fat dead end, just like the rest of Tom Grant's "evidence".
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
As usual, your statements are completely untrue. They were able to determine the last attempt was made after Kurt was dead. If one of your credit cards was temporarily dysfunctional would you just throw it away? No.
judyleasugar97 1 month ago
@judyleasugar97 LOL As usual, YOU are completely ignorant and have your facts twisted around. The bank said numerous times that they did not track the dates or locations of attempted transactions made on canceled cards/accounts. Since Kurt's card was canceled, the only information that they were able to obtain was the date that the attempted transactions posted in their database (which AGAIN often times takes a few business days), and the dollar amount of the transactions.
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
Attempts were made after Kurt was officially dead, therefore the card was stolen. It would be contrary to Kurt's character to simply throw the card away.
judyleasugar97 2 months ago
@judyleasugar97 No - the records don't confirm WHEN or WHERE the actual attempted transactions were made. They only speak for when they posted in their database, and that can take a few days. How would you have any idea what would or would not be "contrary to Kurt's character"??? Did you know the guy personally?? Didn't think so. It would make sense that a useless, canceled credit card would be thrown away in frustration.
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
There is absolutely no evidence that Kurt threw his credit card away. You like to present a lot of far fetched theories and then not back them up with any evidence.
judyleasugar97 2 months ago
@judyleasugar97 The card was gone, no one knows where it ended up, and there isn't any evidence that it was "stolen" by anyone either. Because the card was canceled, the bank doesn't know when or where the attempted transactions were made, they only know when the attempts cleared their database, which can take a few days, especially in the early '90's. It's AT LEAST just as likely that he threw useless fucking card away as it is that it was "stolen". Again, no proof of foul play.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak Can you keep the profanity in check please?
girliegirl1981 1 month ago
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@girliegirl1981 Aaaaww!! :( Do bad words make you cry, girliegirl?? :'-( Most of us are adults here, I think you can tough it out ;) Or, maybe you should just avert your sensitive eyes from YT comments sections, if you can't handle a swear word or three :)
TestMeatDollSteak 1 month ago
Why is it the police made such a lack of an attempt to even track down who was using the credit cards, god in the 90's it's like the police didn't even care, what with O.J, Biggie Smalls and 2pac it's just wrong
nirvanafan91ify 2 months ago
@nirvanafan91ify The credit card was canceled, Kurt probably threw the useless thing away after trying multiple times to use it unsuccessfully.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
They never mentioned El Duce. The guy who said Courtney Love offered him 50K to kill Kurt. The guy did an interview, saying he knew who did it, mentioned an "Alan". El Duce got run over by a train days later.
inconvenientruth1 2 months ago
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Courtney wouldn't be sending her trolls to comment in her favor if she wasn't concerned about public opinion that is turning against her.
freddiemercurychamp 2 months ago
could anyone tell me which chapter from each season of unsolved mystery is this one?
liddih 2 months ago
Why is evidence being withheld? Should be no problem if nothing is wrong.
pigeonpsycho 2 months ago
how could you kill your self with a shotgun what the
Aluz3gunner 2 months ago
@Aluz3gunner The shotgun that Kurt used was not a very large model - the weapon was photographed and measured by the Seattle PD, and the barrel was only 22 inches long. Cobain placed the muzzle in his mouth, with the butt end of the weapon between his legs, held the barrel in place with his left hand and pulled the trigger with his right hand.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak Your description of events is certainly plausible however it's possible that Cobain did none of those things.
girliegirl1981 2 months ago
@girliegirl1981 From the evidence that's been made available to us, it's clear that my description is more than simply "plausible", but is in fact highly likely. Cadaveric spasm is a freezing into place of certain muscles that were contracted in the victim's act of life - it's a very useful condition for medical examiners in determining what the victim was doing/clutching at the exact moment they received a sudden traumatic blow to the head or heart, for example.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak "Plausible", yes. "Highly likely", that's debatable! Is it not possible that Cobain was incapacitated by high levels of heroin and his hands were placed around the trigger of the gun?! I'll agree that neither of us have all the answers, TMDS! :)
girliegirl1981 2 months ago
@girliegirl1981 Murder conspiracy theorists are always asking to be shown another recorded case of a person being able to function with a blood morphine level approaching Cobain's reported 1.52mg/L level. I would challenge you, or anyone else to find another case of a cadaveric spasm resulting in a victim that was thought to be in a coma at the time of death?? The literature on cadaveric spasm bolsters the official ruling. I would like to see the autopsy reports/crime scene photos released.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak You show me another recorded case of a person being able to function with a blood morphine level equal to Cobain's and I'll find you another case of a cadaveric spasm resulting in a victim that was thought to be in a coma or incapacitated at the time of death, babydoll! ;)
girliegirl1981 2 months ago
@girliegirl1981 You know good and well that you'd never be able to make good on that wager, Miss Girliegirl :) The literature on cadaveric spasm mentions nothing of even *occasionally* being observed in comatose/unconscious victims, and instead is universally described as having been observed to occur in victims that were under extreme physical or emotional duress at the moment they receive a sudden kill shot to the head or heart. If Cobain were in a coma, where is the duress??
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
@girliegirl1981 I will agree, however, that without the full autopsy reports and crime scene photos (which have never been made public) that we cannot know for sure :)
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
It is unproven Kurt was still on drugs in 1994.
smileygreenlizard4u 2 months ago 6
@smileygreenlizard4u It makes absolutely NO sense that Kurt was anything BUT still on drugs in 1994.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago 6
@smileygreenlizard4u lolllllllllllll How is this shit comment the most voted ?
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TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
@smileygreenlizard4u Get your facts straight - there where several witnessness that saw Kurt nearly died of a overdose of herion in 1993, just before he was going out to the show (yes, people actually saw him inject it). Courtney Love gave him CPR, and he was able to reattend to the show. I´m not saying that Courtney Love didnt kill him, Im just saying that some of the guys who blame her dont have any proof, despite the unignorable presence of it.
N7Crazy 1 month ago 5
@smileygreenlizard4u Just look up on google: "Kurt Cobain's Death", first or second wikipedia link.. click it, you learn it all.
JessesPlaylist 1 month ago
@smileygreenlizard4u It's called an autopsy.....dude had ton of shit in his blood when he died
Viperplayer187 1 month ago
1. ALL addicts are given consequences for not agreeing to go to treatment, that's part of the intervention process, duh. Clean and sober people are not admitted into drug treatment programs. Double duh.
2. Addicts lie about their drug use. Duh again.
3. People who kick drugs and start eating properly again gain body weight fairly rapidly. Kurt wasn't showing any signs of eating right/weight gain, which doesn't fit with your moronic theory.
4. Kurt's best friend was a junkie (Dylan).
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago 4
Who's information? Courtney's? Yeah, we really believe her.
1. Kurt only went to rehab because Courtney refused to let him see Frances otherwise. She did so to establish a suicide trail, a reason for the so called suicide.
2. Kurt was only addicted to heroin for 2 years. He did not say he was addicted the last months of his life.
3. Again, how does his being underweight prove anything at all? I wouldn't want to eat if I was married to Courtney.
4. Courtney placed drug addicts around Kurt.
profaneoneohone 2 months ago
@profaneoneohone yeah and notice how virtually right after kurt died Hole reached their peek of popularity
thepossessor 2 months ago
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Geez, that's not much of an argument: how come he didn't gain weight right away. Yeah, that really proves anything. Particularly when he had Courtney harassing him. I don't think I'd wanna eat either if I had to look at her face.
profaneoneohone 2 months ago
You've got it backwards, sweety :) YOUR argument that Kurt was ever clean for a significant amount of time in 1994 is what doesn't follow from the information available:
1. Kurt was admitted into drug rehab just days prior to his death
2. Kurt had a self-admitted history of heroin addiction.
3. Kurt was severely underweight when he died.
4. Kurt surrounded himself w/ known drug addicts the last months of his life (both his friends and Courtney"s)
Clean and sober people don't live like this.
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profaneoneohone 2 months ago
People don't gain weight immediately.
profaneoneohone 2 months ago
@profaneoneohone People don't gain weight immediately?? THAT'S your response?? According to YOU, Kurt was clean, off drugs, eating better and taking his prescription meds for MONTHS by the time that he died, yet an easily verified fact is that Kurt weighed close to 120lbs when he died. A person can EASILY gain 5-10lbs in a single WEEK of increased calorie intake, let alone several MONTHS. If your theory were true, then it doesn't logically follow that Kurt should still be so underweight.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
Another thing to consider...why has Tom Grant never speculated that Kurt was clean and sober in 1994, hmmm?? Tom believes that Kurt was murdered, and yet he also believes that Kurt and Dylan were both active heroin addicts. Tom also does NOT believe that Dylan had anything to do with Kurt's death. This is the guy YOU look to for information about Kurt's final days, and even HE believes that Kurt was a heroin addict when he died :)
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak I'll agree with your assessment that Cobain was (most likely) still actively addicted to and using heroin at the time of his death HOWEVER I'm of the opinion that the circumstances surrounding Cobain's death are HIGHLY suspicious! Why do you have to be such a hater TestMeatDollSteak? Huh?
girliegirl1981 2 months ago
@girliegirl1981 Who's being a hater, girliegirl, LOL! :) The subject of this particular conversation is whether the totality of the evidence suggests that Kurt Cobain was most likely addicted to drugs when he died, or that he was living clean and sober when he died. I am trying to point out that it simply makes the MOST sense that Kurt was, sadly, a drug addict when his life ended. The people who think otherwise are, IMO, not seeing the forest for the trees :)
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak We agree: Kurt Cobain was most likely still addicted to and regularly using heroin when he died. I do not believe that Cobain was clean and sober in his final months! You're still a hater, though! ;)
girliegirl1981 2 months ago
@girliegirl1981 Cool, I knew that we agreed on this particular issue, girliegirl! :) You sound kinda cute...are you single? ;)
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak Actually, I'm married AND I have a boyfriend on the side! LOL!
girliegirl1981 2 months ago
@girliegirl1981 You're a naughty girl! ;)
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
He did tell Courtney to "fuck off." When he woke up from the coma in Rome.
profaneoneohone 2 months ago
@profaneoneohone *Supposedly* that's what he wrote to her in Rome when he awoke from his coma, but let's assume it's accurate: This is the same guy that YOU think would just roll over and go to a drug rehab if he knew he were clean and sober already, according to morons like you?? NO addict actually WANTS to go to rehab, they all are given consequences for refusing treatment, that's part of the intervention process. CL refusing to let Kurt see Frances doesn't mean he didn't need treatment.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
@profaneoneohone And why, pray tell, was Kurt's body weight still so extremely low when he died, if he had actually been successfully off heroin for an extended period of time, eating well, and taking his prescription meds that supposedly "cured" his stomach condition?? That alone doesn't reconcile with your dumbass theory, not to mention the fact that Kurt was admitted into a drug rehab facility just days prior to his death. The totality of the evidence suggests Kurt NEVER got clean for long.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago 4
Not only was his blood test clean of morphine in Rome, other musicians on tour with him for months said he was clean. The guy was trying to kick heroin. This idea he was some out of control addict is completely false.
profaneoneohone 2 months ago
@profaneoneohone "Trying" to kick heroin, and successfully kicking it for a long period of time are two completely different things - you Do understand that, right? There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Kurt went through periods of detox and relapse, just like nearly ALL addicts. Those musicians (Buzzcocks) only knew Kurt/Nirvana for a few weeks on the European leg of the In Utero tour, and a blood test doesn't prove ANYTHING beyond 3 days clean, sorry.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago 6
Kurt was extremely underweight when he died, something like 115-120 lbs. Why do you think that is, if his stomach condition had been "cured" by miracle meds for over a year by that point, according to Cobain himself? Kurt never stopped using drugs, everyone that was close to him when he died (his band, Dylan Carlson, the couple's nannies) all confirm that. The fact that Kurt was admitted into rehab is further proof of that. This notion that he was "clean" simply defies logic.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago 7
There is no proof Kurt was still on drugs the last months, in fact, there is proof he was clean.
profaneoneohone 3 months ago 4
@profaneoneohone thats untrue actually they put on an intervention for him and that is why he was in rehab, i am not saying he wasnt murdered but he wasnt the clean freaking person everyone makes him out to be, he was a messed up human being , i love him so much & and read and studied everything about him and about this case and i always go back and forward
kylas124 2 months ago
@kylas124: The sham intervention was organized by Courtney who was still on heroin herself. That should make you wonder. He only agreed to go to rehab because Courtney refused to let him see Frances otherwise. It was all Courtney trying to establish what's called a suicide trail -- make someone LOOK like they can't get off drugs and . . . well, there's your pretend reason for suicide. Consider this, why was Kurt's blood test at the Rome hospital clean of morphine a month before his death?
profaneoneohone 2 months ago in playlist Kurt Cobain
@profaneoneohone I am going to write you an inbox, i have some things i wwould like to ask you i hope thats okay
kylas124 2 months ago
@kylas124: Sure.
profaneoneohone 2 months ago
@profaneoneohone Listen to yourself - if Kurt were clean and sober, why wouldn't he have just told Courtney to fuck off?? He wasn't the henpecked pussy you'd like to think he was, if you read ANY of his interviews, or read any of Nirvana's bios, you'd get that notion. If Kurt were really that scared of her, why did he pull out of Lollapalooza, even though it pissed Courtney off to no end?? Rarely do ANY junkies actually WANT to go to rehab. Kurt was no different.
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago
@profaneoneohone You've had this explained to you MILLIONS & MILLIONS of times by now...a blood test for morphine, whether positive or negative, can only speak for the THREE DAYS prior to the blood being drawn. That's it. If that's the best "evidence" you have of Kurt being completely clean, then you need to go back to the drawing board. Kurt was in Europe when that test would have been taken, away from his dealers and generally paranoid of being exposed, so it's no surprise it would be negative
TestMeatDollSteak 2 months ago 4
some courtney´s friend said she offered 50.000 dollars to kill kurt. when he told it to the media, he was found dead a week after that....
Iratherbeher 3 months ago
NEWSAKAFIAS = IDIOT WHO REFUSES TO LOOK OUTSIDE THE BOX
Really? What evidence has been provided that is not true. Please don't let the media spoon feed you the crap you want to believe.
tankerswife2004 3 months ago
@tankerswife2004 courtney, says it all. I'd kill myself 2. ha,ha
da1stegr 3 months ago
I take it he said this before Courtney screwed Billy Corgan on Kurt's birthday and tried to kill Kurt in Rome. Things kind of changed after that.
judyleasugar97 3 months ago 2
Geffen is your answer.
AcousticLauson 3 months ago
Remember the lyrics...I don't have a gun...SO ... Who did?
xfxmonkey 3 months ago 3
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Courtney made it look like suicide.
hughesvenice 3 months ago
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Courtney, stop commenting on youtube. We all know you did it.
itstooSMALLtoHIDE 4 months ago
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You're quoting them from 16 years ago when they were deceived by Courtney. Has Kurt's family said these things lately? It was never proven the Rome overdose was a suicide attempt, in fact the doctor who treated him said it wasn't.
judyleasugar97 4 months ago
why he didn't take a lethal doses of heroin, to kill himself???
pabkas76 4 months ago
@pabkas76 He had tried to kill himself by taking pills & drinking a load of alcohol not too long before he actually succeeded (Dave and Pat talks about it in Back & Forth), but he was brought to the hospital. I think he wanted to make sure that that wouldn't happen again.
I'm not a huge fan of Courtney but I don't think his suicide had anything to do with her, definitely not her fault. He'd been suicidal off and on throughout most of his life.
nevers4yforever 4 months ago 17
i respect your opinion, i am not agree with you. the evidence is there, he can not kill himself,.....he was murder.
pabkas76 4 months ago
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Most people who believe Kurt killed himself know little to nothing about the case and the strange events that surround his death. All I can say is that before you reach an opinion, try to actually research it first. What I can tell you is that back in 1994 I too thought it was suicide. It wasn't until like 1996 or so until I actually took the time to look into it did I begin to change my opinion.
TheStarfkr 2 months ago
@pabkas76: He had a 3 times lethal dose in his system. That's 3 times enough dope to kill him. How could he pick up a gun after that?
hughesvenice 3 months ago
he was unlucky, he was married with F***** bitch call COURTNEY LOVE. think about this, if your wife really loves you, you really think, that she will let you buy a shotgun,?????, if she really loved him, the first thing that she probably can do, was take the gun away from him. and stayed close of him, taking care of his drug addiction. but she never loved him.
pabkas76 4 months ago
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HemamMichael 4 months ago
.to begin to write,,,at the same time ...that bitch is dictating you....she prepares another dose for you....after that...some crazy stuff start going through your mind..the bitch start telling you ..put in on your head and shoot...put in on your head and shoot ...put it on your head and shoot.....*now you are spellbound...)*the bitch words are too strong...like a witch spell...you put the gun ...and bawwwwwwwwwwwwww
darksiniter 4 months ago
Just try to imagine......you are a rocker...you are an artist...and you are on drug....you have a shot gun...and you got your bitch with you... then the bitch start poisoning your mind (because you just escape from death ,and you are not mentally stable... )and now ..you are high on heroin .... the bitch keep talking about death death death... (as you are a song writer...so you have a pen and paper handy ) the bitch start talking about suicide...you start to feel inspired...to begin to write
darksiniter 4 months ago
There should have been been a crazy fan for Kurt also ..just like there was for Pantera..but this one should have killed Courtney....There surely is a conspiracy behind his death....money money money money....she did it all for money
darksiniter 4 months ago
or maybe Kurt had someone help him die
CynicallyObnoxious 4 months ago
If I was married to Courtney Love I'd kill myself too.
Subatomic1000 4 months ago
What type of morphine? Orally ingested methadone hits the system much slower than intravenously injected heroin. It's possible someone could function on methadone. Also, if injected, what method was used? Intravenously, subcutaneously, intramuscularly? All of these things make a difference in how fast it hits the system, and Hartshorne did not specify.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
Where did you get your "degree"? Three Stooges Institute? It's obvious you are the one who doesn't know anything. Overdosing does not prove suicidalness, more likely that one didn't know the purity of the heroin injected. Kurt didn't take rohypnol. He rarely drank alcohol. Why would he try to kill himself this way? It doesn't make sense.
People who knew Kurt have said Kurt meant the song "I hate myself and I want to die" to be a joke. Again, you are referring to unsubstantiated stories.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
Give me some proof Kurt "od'd several times." Medical records? You should know od'ing is not proof of suicidalness, it's proof of injecting heroin that's purer than you thought it was.
The rohypnol was Courtney's prescription. Gilleta said Kurt was not suicidal. I'm going by his evaluation.
Posing with a gun was some unfortunate performance art on Kurt's part. It meant nothing. "I hate myself and I want to die" is satire. He was poking fun of people who complain.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone First "i hate myself and want to die" wasnt kurt poking fun of people who complain. If you were alive when kurt was you would have read several interviews where kurt clearly expalined that the reason for "i hate myself and want to die" was cause that's how he feels sometimes. Those are his exact words. Second there are no medical records for kurt's od cause he was woken up, also medical records are private and no public info.
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone what does the name on the prescription of ruffies have to do with kurt admitting to taking them??? Kurt and Courtney shared drugs and did drugs together. YOu dont think it was at all possible that kurt and courtney shared prescription drugs?? Where you ever a drug addict? Do you know the kind of lifestyle and behavior of addicts. If kurt and courtney were using heroin together why wouldnt they share prescription drugs?? Courtneys name on the script means nothing..
EdinAmmar 5 months ago 4
@profaneoneohone the more and more you talk about drugs and addiction the more obvious it becomes that you know nothing about the subject. I take the words of Krist and Dave who were close friends of kurt and knew him personally over the opinions of anyone else. You obviously dont know anything about the requirements that rehabs have to admit someone and you obviously know nothing about addiction.
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
The problem with the no ceiling for heroin tolerance argument is that it is not supported by a single case in history of anyone who could function with this level of heroin. You can argue theory all you like, but that's all it is. A theory.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone you are insane and you obviously know nothing about addiction and mental illness. I am getting my bachelor degree in drug/alachol addiction and i was a junky from 17 till i was 30 years old. Kurt od on heroin several times (that is a sign of being suicidal) kurt od on ruffies one month before he died. Kurt posed for photos with a gun in his mouth and even called a song " i hate myself and want to die".
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone when kurt was asked about the title " i hate myself and want to die" he said cause thats how i feel sometimes. Kurt even talked about killing himself several times, have you even read tha Azzard book where kurt talks about killing himself?
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone
" it is not supported by a single case in history of anyone who could function with this level of heroin".
Dr. Hartshhorne gave you one darling, he said the man involved in a particular case was able to drive and had a higher dose of morphine than what was reported by the media in the Cobain case.
Kurt was on opiates the last weeks of his life, so dont try to equal Kurt's tolerance to a non-users, it doesnt work that way.
floppingnoni 5 months ago
Gilleta did not know about Courtney. My point was that Kurt did not demonstrate suicidalness.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
The doctor from Rome, Gilleta, also made no mention of Kurt's OD appearing to be a "murder attempt", as a lot of people seem to believe. If you trust that the doctor was competent enough to notice a suicide attempt, you'd also think he'd be able to tell if Kurt were the victim of some malicious attempt on his life. It's clear that Kurt insisted the whole thing was "a mistake". Will we ever know for sure? Doubt it.
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
Fine, it might not be "the norm", but the allegations against Cameron don't PROVE that anyone in the department was bribed by Love, nor is it even evidence of bribery. The only thing it PROVES is that Cameron had a history of stealing cash from crime scenes, and for the record, Cobain was found with couple hundred in cash on him.
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
They are not all as bad as Seattle. Seattle pd has a bad reputation. And as I said, the lead detective was caught stealing money from crime scenes. That's not the norm.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
The lead detective in the case had to retire early under allegations he was stealing money from crime scenes. A history of corruption in that police dept, and we're supposed to trust them?
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone name me one police department in a major city in the usa that doesnt have police corruption issues?
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
What would the seattle police have to gain by covering anything up? Get the fuck outta here......the whole lot of you are commenting on something which you have no first hand knowledge on.
armatageshanks06 5 months ago
i'm no fan but from a rational point of view someone who is totally out on heroin cannot pick up a gun let alone shoot themselves.
ANTIJPUG 5 months ago
Actually if you ever studied up on heroin, the LETHAL dose ranges 200-500 mgs for someone who's NONUSER, so when they say Kurt Cobain took 3x times the lethal dose (225 mgs), which is in the range for just the LETHAL (not 3x) for a nonuser.
So evidence indicates that Kurt very well might have survived and been able to function after his heroin injection.
faggotwithoutacause 5 months ago
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@faggotwithoutacause not enough to pick up a gun and shoot himself though unless he was an avid user and his body became used to the substance.
ANTIJPUG 5 months ago
And yet you feel YOU can interpret song lyrics? Hypocritical much?
I think I'll still go with the diagnosis of the trained professional in Rome: it was not a suicide attempt.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone No, are you able to read English?? I'll quote myself, AGAIN: "Song lyrics are open to interpretation, and that might be YOUR take on the You Know You're Right lyrics, but Kurt never gave HIS take on them, so how could you possibly know what he's singing about?" The fact that you feel it's acceptable to offer your subjective OPINION of the meaning of some song lyrics as evidence of ANYTHING shows just how far up your own ass your head is.
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
But Kurt was planning to divorce Courtney and cut her out of his will. It is known Courtney was cheating on Kurt. She herself admitted the letter he wrote her in Rome was a diatribe against her. That is enough of a basis to see anger in "You Know You're right" against Courtney Love. Since there is no proof whatsoever that Kurt was suicidal at that time, what basis is there to think "Look on the bright side, suicide" is about anything beyond ironically strung together ideas.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone Are you actually this stupid, or is it an act? There is plenty of evidence that there was talk of a divorce between the couple, in the form of Rosemary Carroll's statements and Love's own admissions, but offering YOUR OWN interpretation of his song lyrics as further evidence? That's fucking idiotic. The fact that you're willing to do that makes you look just as stupid as the people who use the "look on the bright side is suicide" line as evidence that he killed himself. Get it?
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
Dave is relating back the conversation non specifically. Sorry, it is not clear, you are reading in what you want into what Kurt supposedly said.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone And you could just as easily be "reading out" of it what you DON'T want to hear. Dave's account of his conversation w/ Kurt AFTER his return home from the Rome OD doesn't fit with the notion hat Kurt was drugged unawares, as many people are often asserting.
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
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meganascarrocks 5 months ago
Kurt didn't have to admit it. Trained medical professionals can spot signs of depression. According to Gilleta, Kurt was not suicidal. I'm going with the diagnosis of a trained professional.
Kurt knew his grandfather his entire life, even lived with him for a time, but you don't accept Leland as someone who really knew Kurt? Oh come on.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
Kurt's comments to Dave were vague. He was not as you put it, accepting responsibility for the incident. He told Dr. Gilleta in Rome and other people that he didn't remember what happened the night he overdosed on rohypnol. You have misinterpreted the conversation with Dave.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone why would kurt admit to a doctor that he tried to kill himself and maybe have that get released in the media? Kurt admitted to dave that he took the ruffies and od in rome. Dave has no reason to lie or make up a conversation with kurt. All of the info that you use for your illogical views rely on 3rd or 4th rate witnesses and you exclude the accounts of people who knew kurt for years and worked with him.
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone Galleta's statements about Kurt's memory were made while Kurt was IN HOSPITAL recovering, right after the OD. Kurt talked to Dave AFTER he got back to Seattle, AFTER being released from the hospital. Watch Dave's explanation of the conversation, from the Back and Forth documentary. Kurt didn't tell Dave that he "couldn't remember", or that he "somehow ended up" with rohypnol in his system - he told him he took the pills, drank champagne. You're trying to twist it all around.
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
Regardless, you've missed the point entirely. Using song lyrics, especially lyrics that the author never offered his OWN explanation of, as "evidence" of his suicide or murder, one way or the other, is utterly fucking retarded. The fact that you seem to think you know what all his songs mean just proves how completely out of touch with reality you are.
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
@TestMeatDollSteak: Seriously, if every dark lyric ever written was a sign of suicidalness the music industry would be rife with suicides, it isn't. Not proof.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone I'll quote myself: "Using song lyrics, especially lyrics that the author never offered his OWN explanation of, as 'evidence' of his suicide or murder one way or the other, is fucking retarded." You've offered your OWN interpretation of the lyrics to You Know You're Right as "evidence" that Kurt was divorcing Courtney, and I offered the line from "Milk It" to illustrate how fucking idiotic it is to offer song lyrics as "evidence" of anything. Derp!
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
"Milk it" lyrics are a series of ironically thrown together subjects. "Look on the bright side" and "suicide" are humorous when put together. That's all he meant by it. It certainly WASN'T a declaration of any intention of off himself.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
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TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
You're misconstruing the situation. Kurt didn't remember and was merely acknowledging somehow the rohypnol wound up in his system. The dr left it as an accident. My point is, as a trained professional he would have recognized someone who was suicidal. Kurt wasn't.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone If Kurt "didn't remember", then why didn't he tell Dave as much? Kurt told Dave that he took the pills. The guy that YOU think was the victim of a murder attempt was accepting responsibility for the OD to his own personal friends, that says something. My point is, as a trained professional, the doctor should have noted that it was either an intentional OD, or a suspicious murder attempt, one way or the other. Apparently, he didn't make any such observations.
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
Kurt merely told Dave he ingested the rohypnol somehow. He didn't say he intentionally took it. The dr who treated him in Rome say it wasn't a suicide attempt. I would think a trained professional would know better than you.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone No, Kurt didn't tell Dave that he "ingested the rohypnol somehow", he told Dave "I was taking these pills, and drinking champagne", and apologized to him, calling it "a mistake". Watch the Foo Fighters documentary Back and Forth, Dave talks about his phone conversation w/ Kurt after the Rome OD. The doctor in Rome also never said anything about Kurt's OD appearing to be a murder attempt, either. The doctor believed Kurt had simply unintentionally OD'd.
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
Just because Kurt was not announcing his divorce yet doesn't mean it wasn't about to happen. He was a very private person. His attorney said he was drawing up papers to divorce her and cut her out of his will. Listen to the anger in In Utero: You Know Your Right is all about divorcing the cheating bitch Courtney. Ending line: You know your rights, as in divorce rights.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone tell me whats your evidence of kurt being sober and off drugs? Does a sober person admit to anyone that they tried to od on ruffies one month before they are found dead? Does a sober, sane, mentally healthy person try to kill them self with pills? Dave admits that he spoke with kurt and that kurt admitted to trying to kill himself in rome. If you dont believe what happened in rome then tell me what reasons do Dave or Krist have to lie about kurts addiction and death?
EdinAmmar 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone OK, if you're going to use song lyrics as evidence, then how about the line "Look on the bright side is suicide" from Milk It? Lyrics are open to interpretation, and that might be YOUR take on the YKYR lyrics, but Kurt never gave HIS take on them, so how could you possibly know what he was singing about? Kurt talked to his attorney about a divorce, but even she has since said that she isn't sure how serious he was about it. Kurt was clearly torn about what to do.
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
Kurt Cobain's final press interview, Fender Frontilne magazine, conducted in Feb 94, less than 2 months from his death:'
"Playing music is what I do - my family is who I am. When everyone's forgotten about Nirvana & I'm on some revival tour opening for the Temptations and the 4 Tops, Frances Bean will still be my daughter and Courtney will still be my wife. That means more than anything else to me."
Why is it so hard to imagine that the idea of losing his wife and child was devastating to him?
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago 23
Kurt Cobain loved Courtney Love. He married her. Had a child with her. Vehemently defended her in the press. Towards the end, they were having problems, like most couples do. Who the fuck are you to judge their relationship? When was the last time you had a marriage work out perfectly? Live your own life and stop fantasizing about being with a guy that's been dead for 17 years, who you never met ONCE. And, sorry, if you think Kurt was ever clean for significant amount of time, you're retarded.
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
Kurt didn't "fail at everything". He was a great father. He was a wonderful musician. He had a social conscience. He was articulate. He was very funny. He was a kind friend. There is even evidence he was off drugs at the end. He succeeded more than most. The big mistake he made was marrying the bitch Courtney. I wish he hadn't done that.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
Yeah, Kurt was paranoid. He talked about his paranoia in his Journals. The combination of his drug addiction with his notoriety as a world-famous celebrity compounded his paranoia of being followed, watched, etc. When you read the police reports, Dylan actually tried to get Kurt to buy a 12 gauge pistol grip shotgun, a much more powerful weapon. The only reason Kurt ended up getting the 20 gauge was because the gun shop didn't have anymore 12 gauge models in stock that particular day.
TestMeatDollSteak 5 months ago
Kurt was not depressed in '94.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
@profaneoneohone Wrong......after the drugs intervention wich she saw as tough love,and his band mates there asking him to stop using there was a massive row,because Kurt didnt want to give up on his security blanket. He ended up escaping...buying a gun,lots of bullets and heroin. He was a known suicidal person.....there is no mystery here....He wanted to burn out not fade away.
1THETRUTH10 5 months ago
@1THETRUTH10: Are you aware of the evidence Courtney murdered Kurt? The sham intervention she arranged was all part of what's called a suicide trail, something to make the public believe Kurt was this out of control addict about to self distruct. WRONG. Kurt asked Dylan to buy the gun for him BEFORE rehab because he was afraid someone was following him / going to break into his house (security model, birdshot), the reason he was installing security in the house. Please see cobaincase(dot)com.
profaneoneohone 5 months ago
the only reason people dont believe the murder is that he was depressive ...
hailemmy 6 months ago
Eldon Hoke claimed that Courtney Love offered him $50,000 to kill Kurt. Approximately after a week of his claim, Hoke's body was found near a railroad, it was determined he had stumbled in front of a train and been hit, although it is believed he was murdered for revealing information about Cobain's murder.
SuperJonnygaddar 6 months ago
so so sad , maybe someone helped him to commite suicide ? i remember that damn day like it was yesterday .. R.I.P KING
forzamicha46 6 months ago
this show def. makes a convincing case
ghettoslider 6 months ago in playlist kurt cobain: unsolved mysteries
Why was Grant relying so heavily on Cali DeWitt, a 20-yr-old drug addict, to point him in all the right places in their search for Kurt? Grant was supposed to be an experienced, professional P.I. Had he been more alert, inquisitive, and aware of his surroundings, he could have insisted they check out the large, detached garage w/ the balcony and windows above it. Had that happened, would there even be a cobaincase web-site?
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
What's really suspicious is why Cali didn't show Grant the room over the garage. Why is that?
dothetwistjackie 6 months ago
Let's see...we're supposed to believe the guy that searched Kurt's entire home and never thought to ask if there was a shed, garage or guest house where he might be holed up?
wuezili 6 months ago 3
I started to read the theory death of Kurt Cobain. Sounds interesting and although i'm not American citizen, I'm from way other state, i'm Buddha guy, and i know stating our own opinion towards Cobain's death in different ways doesn't solve anything but I only know 1 thing that Kurt was indeed, really killed himself....I can't tell you why but I would like to read his theory once again...
zhi860501 6 months ago
Sorry, but blaming the fact that there is virtually no support for the murder theory amongst Kurt Cobain's family and friends on Courtney Love's "deception" is pretty lame, and it sells Kurt's friends and family short. Krist, Dave, Kurt's parents, his Aunt Mari, Dylan - they all knew Kurt personally and intimately. Many of these people (Wendy, Dave, Krist) have had major problems w/ Love, & the "evidence" in favor of murder has been public for over a decade. Yet they maintain Kurt killed himself
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
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TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
A lot of people have been deceived by Courtney. That's all I have to say.
blvdofbroken 6 months ago
Do you think maybe the murderer Courtney is slipping rohypnol into Testmeatdollsteak's drinks to make him forget about how he is betraying Kurt?
RyanRossthemovie 6 months ago
Marcel B. Matley: "As to the last 4 lines, there are more than a dozen differences that should give us pause, and we would have to reasonably explain these differences before we can conclude that the same person wrote these lines." - Matley hasn't ruled out the possibility that Kurt wrote the lines, even considering the discrepancies. Why isn't a "reasonable explanation" that Kurt was under the influence of dope when he added the odd-looking lines? Makes sense to me.
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
Reginald Alton: "There are many indications that there *may* have been a second hand at work." He also later added: "The copies are too poor to make a firm pronouncement." He's clearly saying that it's possible that there were two authors, but that he can't say for sure because the copy is too poor. So it neither conclusively confirms nor denies Cobain as the author.
TestMeatDollSteak 6 months ago
The electrician found him... Anyone want to guess who sent him there??? COURNEY!! Why would she take the time to send someone to work on the house when she was supposed to be worried sick about Kurt. And she instructed him to check the greenhouse LOL. Courney wanted him discovered asap so it wouldnt interfere with Hole's album that was conveniantly released 4 DAYS AFTER his body was discovered. She was using the media attention to the fullest. She even admits this will help sales.
pauli4975 7 months ago
I'll post it here too,-with any murder - follow the money.Anyone who understands heroin, knows that the amount within his body eliminates the possible chance of not only lining up the gun, and pulling the trigger, but also the crazy thought of placing all the heroin backin plce.
And the note? Handwriting experts have sworn that there was two writers. 2.
TJheadstone 7 months ago