@george4mon Come come now, George. These things aren't measured in a matter of mere years. You're thinking on much too tiny a scale. They're measure more in a matter of decades and generations. And what musical form really took over in the 60's and 70's? Which artists were really being talked about in the 60's and 70's? We went from Ellington and Basie, to Davis and Parker, to Wonder, Hendrix, and Marvin Gaye. In the last scale, without being narrow and literal, Alex was right.
@KindaLikeWater i may have been a bit vague but you cant deny it was still an innovative and inspiring year, people dont associate wonder, gaye and hendrix with jazz, they were influenced by the genre but appreciated for different styles so i would say their impact on jazz was minor in comparison to for example davis and coltrane
Actually, the Burns doc was very short of words from jazz greats. Lots from Wynton Marsalis, but nothing from Max Roach, or any number of others. This little film is a bit arty and ardent, and some of the ideas seem quite strange (jazz was dead - in 1959, the year Ornette burst on the scene?!?), but what a priceless document! Thanks again for sharing this.
@2300skiddo A priceless document indeed! Also with some strange ideas. But also with some very valid and real ideas, for those who can handle them. But in every age and demographic, there are always those who don't want to hear it, and can't handle it.
@2300skiddo And as I pointed out to someone else here, "Alex" wasn't talking about one tiny year. He was talking in terms of decades and generations, not mere years. Think about it. What were the most popular musical forms in America by 1969 and 1979? We can even specify "popular Black musical forms". :)
I preferred the Ken Burns doc over this. At least there we have the words of the Jazz Greats instead of this business. What would they know though huh?
@racylaserjet doesn't have to be "either - or." you can have both. information should always be gathered from multiple sources anyway. Believe it or not, there are many things that the "Jazz Greats" will never tell you on camera (even though it's true) because they know some will not like hearing the unfettered truth and will retaliate with financial reprisals....ask the Dixie Chicks, the Committee on Un-American Activities, etc. Retaliation, even for the truth, is as American as apple pie
@DreamsCumTrue469 I'd rather get with Jazz cats and play Jazz then listen to this. Heck they're not even listening to any Jazz. It's time to go play some.
Suedo-intellual psycho-babble. Where are cries from Gaul for thirteen hundred years of slavery to the Romans. Hear me all Blacks. The world is TIRED of your poor us story. Go to China and stir shit up and see where you get. Asians come to America and make it because they believe they can. End.
@LvnAction well that's the difference they choose to come. Coming as a personal choice and being bound till effectively past Jim Crowe are two different scenarios now aren't they?
i loved it!!!! lets all dance!
lucy1lucy1 1 week ago
all the talk about jazz going nowhere is quite ironic because 1959 turned out to be one of most innovative years jazz!
george4mon 2 months ago
@george4mon Come come now, George. These things aren't measured in a matter of mere years. You're thinking on much too tiny a scale. They're measure more in a matter of decades and generations. And what musical form really took over in the 60's and 70's? Which artists were really being talked about in the 60's and 70's? We went from Ellington and Basie, to Davis and Parker, to Wonder, Hendrix, and Marvin Gaye. In the last scale, without being narrow and literal, Alex was right.
KindaLikeWater 1 week ago
@KindaLikeWater i may have been a bit vague but you cant deny it was still an innovative and inspiring year, people dont associate wonder, gaye and hendrix with jazz, they were influenced by the genre but appreciated for different styles so i would say their impact on jazz was minor in comparison to for example davis and coltrane
george4mon 1 week ago
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racylaserjet 4 months ago
My goodness...someone had an agenda here, eh wot?
jrsjrs9 6 months ago
HIP-HOP
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Actually, the Burns doc was very short of words from jazz greats. Lots from Wynton Marsalis, but nothing from Max Roach, or any number of others. This little film is a bit arty and ardent, and some of the ideas seem quite strange (jazz was dead - in 1959, the year Ornette burst on the scene?!?), but what a priceless document! Thanks again for sharing this.
2300skiddo 8 months ago
@2300skiddo A priceless document indeed! Also with some strange ideas. But also with some very valid and real ideas, for those who can handle them. But in every age and demographic, there are always those who don't want to hear it, and can't handle it.
KindaLikeWater 1 week ago
@2300skiddo And as I pointed out to someone else here, "Alex" wasn't talking about one tiny year. He was talking in terms of decades and generations, not mere years. Think about it. What were the most popular musical forms in America by 1969 and 1979? We can even specify "popular Black musical forms". :)
KindaLikeWater 1 week ago
I preferred the Ken Burns doc over this. At least there we have the words of the Jazz Greats instead of this business. What would they know though huh?
racylaserjet 10 months ago
@racylaserjet doesn't have to be "either - or." you can have both. information should always be gathered from multiple sources anyway. Believe it or not, there are many things that the "Jazz Greats" will never tell you on camera (even though it's true) because they know some will not like hearing the unfettered truth and will retaliate with financial reprisals....ask the Dixie Chicks, the Committee on Un-American Activities, etc. Retaliation, even for the truth, is as American as apple pie
DreamsCumTrue469 4 months ago
@DreamsCumTrue469 I'd rather get with Jazz cats and play Jazz then listen to this. Heck they're not even listening to any Jazz. It's time to go play some.
racylaserjet 4 months ago
i wonder how many of these cats died of lung cancer
eatsandsleeps 11 months ago
If only they knew barrack obama would be president 1 day..its crazy they were kinda right in blacks leading the future!!
Thanx for putting this vid up btw really enjoyed it!
enavarro1503 1 year ago
Wow, people were incredibly racist back then.
FreeGuitarLicks 1 year ago
@FreeGuitarLicks did you say "back then?" lol
DreamsCumTrue469 4 months ago
Suedo-intellual psycho-babble. Where are cries from Gaul for thirteen hundred years of slavery to the Romans. Hear me all Blacks. The world is TIRED of your poor us story. Go to China and stir shit up and see where you get. Asians come to America and make it because they believe they can. End.
LvnAction 1 year ago
@LvnAction I wonder what you think when you hear the words un-selfexamined racist?
arcoknuti 1 year ago 3
@LvnAction well that's the difference they choose to come. Coming as a personal choice and being bound till effectively past Jim Crowe are two different scenarios now aren't they?
racylaserjet 10 months ago
@LvnAction ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
decus69 8 months ago