F$·%ck !!! This is not a contest for christ sake!!!! It´s just a brilliant bass player... wathever... I don´t understand this ridiculous concept fights...Just enyoy thats it!
@Bassbait Comparisons between Burton and DiGiorgio are moot. Some of your points are borderline false, pretentious elitism? Technical skill can only get you so far... it's the music itself which is important. Fretless? Five string? Again, it's how you use it, not that you use it. As for time, anyone can raise you a Jaco Pastorius in 1976. Different genres, you say? Well yes that's the point... different genres, different styles.
Yes, they ARE moot, which is why I defend him. It's not pretentious. I'm not claiming that I'm better, I'm claiming that Digiorgio is better. On a technical level, he definitely is. On a songwriting level, I still think he is because he writes more complex material and more interesting material. Cliff can do some cool things, but Digiorgio is better. P.S., I also consider Digiorgio better than Pastorius. I consider J.S. Bach better than every other band ever, but I still enjoy other bands.
@ruinawish Juvenile? Really? So PREFERENCE is juvenile? Well then, I guess you're juvenile too... for disagreeing with me. Should I just not HAVE opinions then?
Burton is terribly gay. He 's not technically at all. His speed is made by his heavy sound like shit distortion pedal. And his solos are not event a bit musically interresting. When i had about 4 months of experience at bass i was already able to do all the things he did in his career.
Hope one day littles kids who listen metalli-caca (mean shit in french) will understand this and by the way lars and kirk suck too. That's it
lol, don't judge musicians by the vids you see on YouTube. Really, DiGiorgio's solos outside of songs are really lame, but his bass playing inside songs is actually really good.
I don't know why I'm bothering here, but whatever. I don't really care too much about Trujillo's playing, but he's definitely got more chops than Burton.
Look, fuck it. Just listen to Silence Calls the Storm by Quo Vadis and listen to the technicality of that bass playing. Just because it's not a solo doesn't mean
1.That's because he's better. Cliff Burton wasn't being oppressed or anything, Digiorgio was just a lead element to the band. If you look at his other works in other bands, he still has much prominence, it's not like he's given different freedoms, because Cliff was given lots of freedom (For Whom the Bell Tolls, especially live)
2.It's just cool, but Digiorgio can use anything with strings on it.
3.Yes, age isn't a big factor, but for the record, Digiorgio was basically younger.
@Bwarg999 Yes, and by that I mean "Tracks not supposed to sound good by themselves"...
Bro, I can tell you've never been in any sort of recording/production situation if you think that a shitty sounding track will somehow sound good in the final mix. How were they altered? Support your argument.
Yeah, point out a 'sloppy' DiGiorgio solo... are you implying the one in this video?
@Bassbait I agree with everything you said, aside from "and Bass wasn't even that developed back then either. " Check out some early Watchtower, and listen to Doug Keyser. These guys were the blueprint for bands like Death and Cynic.
@deathbox75 I've heard of Watchtower, but still, that's one band. I'm saying, aside from a couple of bands, Steve Digiorgio was revolutionary, and Sadus is only about a year later than Watchtower anyway. Bassists were generally simple beings before bassists like Digiorgio, and even though the occasional bassist was great, it seems that great bassists are much more prominent now.
@largesam72 Because he has audible timing issues, slurs his notes unintentionally all the time, etc... his solos are also not fast by any standard. No, neither is Anesthesia. Yes, I have read transcriptions of it, and the fastest parts are just simple pentatonic legato for a few notes.
Doug Keyser on the other hand is an amazing bassist who is way better than Cliff, he's one of the best in metal along with DiGiorgio, Pete Perez, Lars Norberg, Roger Patterson, Tony Choy and Jeroen Thesseling
@Steve128967 Whatever man. I still think Cliff kicks ass.
Yeah, those other dudes are definately some of the best. I haven't heard of Lars Norberg or Jeroen Thresseling before, I'll have to check them out. What bands are they from?
@largesam72 Lars is from a band called Spiral Architect. Not too well-known, but he's brilliant. Try and find the song Insect. Jeroen plays in a band called Obscura, and his fretless bass playing is a very large part of their sound.
@Bassbait Wanna See A Real Bassist playing a Fretless Bass just search for Steve Bailey, DiGiorgio has nothing compared to him, That's how bassists should sound like
@ben56r i didn't say it was new, i said that it wasn't so veleopped... remember that he bass at the begining was made to replace the 4 strings of the guitar on lower octave, so ye it was used in jazz...
whatever here we're talking about bass on metal...
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WTF ARE YOU COMPAIRING STEVE DIGIORGIO WITH BURTON???LMAO
Burton Was Just a fucking guitar player and the only thing he did was playing some lame basslines,and he is overrated and boring
Whereas,Steve Digiorgio And Victor Wooten are 2 of the best bassists ever lived.Wooten writes very cool and techical basslines,and Steve is very creative,and he doesn't use fucking distortion like burton.Burton Sucks
he uses the 3 fingers picking for technical riffs...
But he has his own technique, i read somewhere that he uses the fingers in a special order [ 3-2-1-2-3-1-3-2] or something like that...and besided that he plays a fretless bass...
@Hretha I agree that Steve is badass, but I wonder why he plays in that order. If you have finger 2 every other note, and then finger 3 every other note, then this is kind of redundant isnt it? Those finger are doing more work. If that is the order of how he plays, then I wonder how he pulls it off. Personally, I think that 3-2-1 (and then repeat) is the fastest pattern, but if that works for Steve then good for him.
@HrapovikPlush I know it's kinda strange, i also play some death riffs with 3 fingers and i make 321 321 321, but i'm pretty sure that he uses a different method, is the same when u play 1-2 1-2, if u wanna go faster u just make 1-1-2 1-1-2...
At the end it depends on your fingers dexterity, some bassists are able to move their index faster, others their middle fingers...so it just takes some training to get a good dexterity.
Steve's a beast. This might sound stupid, but how do you pronounce DiGiorgio? I've been a fan opf his for a while now, but I've never known how to pronounce his name, which is rather embarrassing.
u all want to argue about technical playing and speed and all that shit look at someone who isnt a metal bassist, Stu Hamm. you can usually see him playing with the best guitarist ever Joe Satriani
why do people argue so much? You don't need skill to write a great bassline. some of the best basslines are also simple. Taxman, another one bites the dust, money etc.
So will i, and wooten can do all this, all of which burton could only have had dreams of doing!! And i never bashed DiGiorgio because he unlike Burton has technique and appeal in his bass playing!
NO you want to suck Burton's dick so bad, god knows, you may even go to the extent of exhuming him and putting you're mouth where his dick would have been,
Again just because COBHC is in my user name it doesn't mean that its my favorite band, get that in that fucking brain of yours!
As for Wooten, he can play funk, Jazz, Bluegrass, and a little rock where as Burton can only play metal, and his bass lines are extremely simple compared to most REAL, REAL metal acts today not mallcore rubbish.
Note, at the point Burton's Bass lines were recorded, they were using analog tech, and Metallica was piss broke, so they didn't really have the chance to go back and re-edit shit like the musicians of today do. He simplified a lot of the shit he put on album versions so it didn't sound sloppy. On stage however, he was a soloing fucking monster.
think about this....burton was 24 when he died as for wooten and digiorgio are in there 40's now so they have been playing for about 20 years longer than burton so any more shit you wanna talk on burton faggot
that is a very good point, burton is one of my favorite bassists, and everyone wants to say digorgio is better but who knows what burton could of pulled off if he was still alive in his 40's. they are both excellent bassists
Uh, Cliff would be about 5 years younger and considering the fact that SDG fucking rocked at around that time, no, you're full of shit. Age doesn't matter in terms of skill.
Anyone who knows shit about bass playing knows that
A) Digiorgio is one of the best players
B) Burton sucks. If you argue otherwise, you are wrong.
Burton is overrated, that's for sure he was really good and indeed one of my influences...still he's not the best...and Steve DiGiorgio...yeah for sure he plays really good...but he sucks a lot at soloing...he plays fast, but he can't do something that sounds melodic...just fast...
No, Cliff sucked. The one thing you never hear people talk about is how he played in the context of a song (which is what ANY bassist should be best at) and at that he truly failed. He didn't play the speed of the guitars, usually 8ths or quarter notes and when he did that they were extremely sloppy.
His live soloing is even worse-- he slurred unintentionally. Also, most of Steve's bass solos on youtube are him messing around with effects, but he can do some cool shit. Check out "Cosmic Sea"
I know Burton was sloppy, indeed the live effect he used makes impossible for some people to hear all the mistakes which were a lot and I know that there are tons of bassists better than Burton but when playing live...for your fans, you can't just play shit like most of the solos of Digiorgio on youttube, he is a great bassist, but at least when playing live, he sucks at composing solos
Awesome bassists: Myung, who has a lot of knwledge of theory and technique, Miller, etc, but not Digiorgio
You know Steve is a jazz bassist before a metal one, right? He knows a LOT of theory. Plus, Myung is overrated as hell. Also, you should hear SDG actually soloing instead of experimenting with his effects-- something you won't unless you listen to stuff like Cosmic Sea (particularly striking) or some Dark Hall songs.
Miller = Thomas Miller right? Don't listen to Symphony X that much, so I can't comment
i know Myung is not the best but he's not overrated...he is very fuckin' good and you don't graduate from Berklee...for nothing, he is really good and even though people think he is overrated I don't think so he is not overrated, he is a great musician, and well as I said I just meant about live solos that song is really cool and what he plays is awesome but there are still a fuckin' lot of solos better than that just listen to Mr. Big, Billy Sheehan he has better roffs and solos than that one
John Myung didn't graduate dude. He dropped out although I'm not sure when. He is definitely overrated, while he has some skill his left hand technique is limited and he hits the strings far too hard.
Steve could probably come up with something nice soudning, esp. if he is a fusion bassist. Billy Sheehan and him are almost completely different though.
Indeed as far as I know he graduated but well whatever, You can't say his left hand technique is limited because...everyone's is limited, and Digiorgio has never showed something to me more skilled that what I've always seen from Myung, not even near, the hitting the strings hard or not is depending on the bassist that means nothing if you talk about if he is good or not, still listen well and he doesn't do it hard unless to emphasize and that's something important when playing bass indeed
You don't understand, John Myung's speed mostly comes from his use of four fingers, which isn't that good because he literally slaps the strings WHENEVER he hits them, all the time, like in Dance of Eternity. Just watch his instructional videos. It is way easier to play fast and dig into the strings than play it clean, which you will find on people like Matt Garrison, Billy Sheehan, and yes, DiGiorgio.
I repeat...that depends on the bassist is like picking techniques that doesn't mean bad...he plays that way because that's the way he likes the sound and indeed though I don't do that, I like that sound, and BTW, listen to other songs (most of them) and you'll notice he doesn't do that, just in some, and as I said because that's the sound he wants to be like...that depends on the person IMO I like Myung's live plucking way more than Digiorgio's, and even thought I don't say his plucking is bad
Yes, I quite understand what you mean. But while other bassists can slam them or play it soft, Myung does it ALL THE TIME, literally. And I listen to Dream Theater quite a bit. He does it because he learned without an amp at first, so he needed to hit hard to hear himself and he never kicked the habit. He would be a lot slower if he tried to play soft.
anyway it's pointless arguing on this really, so whatever.
Well indeed it's pointless but just one last fact...it's easier playing fast if you do it softer...and I have Dream's discography and he doesn't slam the strings on album nor live...but well that's my opinion
are you high or just retarded? so me what metallica song where cliff burton did not played in the context of a song (in which he is the best bassist ever), and yet he truely succeded in doing. i am not sure you even play bass at all, if the bass is suppse to follow the guitar all the time then you are a complete moron. i tend to hear a lot of fucking people say that a bass player should follow the drums, but then again i suspect that you are not a bass player but a failed guitarist at guitar.
Kill 'Em All is full of alternate basslines/melodies. Call of Ktulu, also...I mean, in the context of songs themselves, after KEA, Cliff didn't do anything outstanding. Geddy's the best at creating his own melody and adding to the song, in my opinion.
cmon man thats because killem all is a more heavy metal oriented album he had more space to play, ride and master are different and they buried him in the mix
There is a ton of space to play in those other two albums; he didn't. And it's not a matter of burying him in the mix. Newstead has a legit beef in that regard, but not Cliff. Bottom line: buried in the mix or not, his lines weren't as creative/inventive as they were on the original album. It's not about the volume of the bass on an album.
ok you speak as if you have recorded many albums, do you have a band? do you play at all dude? i mean i do, i just cant believe you talk about cliff like if he was a dumbass, or if he was just like any bass player the dude was unique for his time and the day you come up with something as innovative as that intro to damage inc, or the midle part to master of puppets you should not open your mouth
why are comparing geddy lee to cliff, its like comparing soccer and football two different worlds man, ofcourse geddy is awesome but you cannot compare the styles cliff was a heavy metal bassist man lee is progressive 70s rock dude and cliff loved his playing
1) I've played bass for 5 years now; I love Cliff more than anyone, but you have to keep everything in perspective. He was extremely innovative and no one will be like him again. That being said, is he the best bassist of all time? Not even close...and in regards to the middle part of MOP, that was the worst segment of Cliff-dom ever mentioned. That wasn't all that impressive or complex; it was just a segment of song that you apparently have a lot of attachment towards.
i was referring to the whole arrangement not the bassline. and yea im very attached to it, and i know cliff wasnt the greatest bassist ever im sure hes not , but he will allways be the reason i play the bass he was my inspiration my role model so to me he is so special
while that is an excellent song, the only parts you can really hear it in are the fuzz wah fills, they never played that live while he was in the band either...
kid cliff was a composer more than a technical bass player he was awesome feeling oriented composer that wrote some ofmetallicas greatest music ofcourse you cannot compare him in ability with steve d. cliff was a musical genious that contributed to the creation of a whole different genre of music.
steve is one of the best players im not saying he isnt im jsut saying he has like 10-15 more years practice at bass at the time of this video while cliff died when he was only 24 so your fucking stupid
let's do a bit of math, shall we? Steve was born in 1967. Cliff was born in 1961. That means in 1991 when Steve recorded Human (a LANDMARK album) he was 24 years old.
were not talking about human or 1991 are we??? no were talking about this video which is cleary in the 2000's so wtf? and cliff was born in 62 not 61 :) but back to the point steve didnt even write hardly anything if anything off human...it was all chuck and is there any solos on human???nope sure isnt so yea
Uh, there are plenty solos on Human. You're acting as if Cliff would be better than Steve if he were alive. So considering the fact that Steve recorded that technical ass album (which Burton COULD NOT touch) at the same age Cliff died (Steve was thrashing in Sadus even younger) that pretty much makes your point invalid. Steve was better than Cliff when they were both alive. Still applies.
cliff would be better if he was still alive indeed and dont act like you know good music and thrash when you have gay ass mastodon vids on your page...mastodon fuckin blows
yea man ROGER PATTERSON he died cmon dude Cliff was not a flashy player man he knew it he died at 24 dude he was a kid he was just creative master of puppets is 50% his music the whole thing dont bash that guy
hey man relax why are you using words like fucking, i bet if i was in front of you you would not even try to curse me out. But anyway what im saying is that cliff Burton was a creative genious and not a flashy technical bassplayer and also he was responsible for more than half of metallicas best musical pieces
if you mean he had about 10 writing credits over the course of his 3 years in the sun, then yeah. the only thing he basically wrote all by himself entirely is Anesthesia and To Live Is To Die and a very large portion of Orion.
yes he was a good composer, not a genius, but still good. but his actual playing is way overrated.
so someone who creates a genre of music is not a genius? ok man lets call him a visionary and his playing was from within not technical or skillfull. in a few years you will know what i mean. by the way steve is my buddy i know him and he shares my point of view about cliff
You can also find Cliff's isolated bass tracks easily, and they're nothing but slop and mess, and they're simple, watered down versions of the guitar lines, with some independent melodies on occasion.
plus my friend how can you judge his playing like over rated, when we can hardly hear him on the mixes. all we have is his solos and his compositions.......
lol nice. steve was born in 67 eh? iron maiden started out in 64. so that means steve harris was a fucking genius at 3 years old. steve harris should be at the top of all the lists for the being the first 3 year old bass player of metal.
holy shit, i fucked up my own comment lol. he would be in the negatives. that means steve harris was playing bass in the ball sacks of his father when iron maiden started. fucking A.
Steve Harris was born in 1956 and got his first bass when he was like 17 I think. He's good for "just" metal but he's hardly the best by any standard.
ok, that makes my arguement even better then, i was replying to the asshole who said that steve harris was born in 1967. i believe steve harris could be better at any music if it was leading him down the same line as iron maiden. but then again opinion is opinion.
If you notice, this video is of Steve DIGIORGIO. I said Steve's name with the assumption people would connect it with the person that this is of... duh?
doesnt matter, your opinion is as good as the next. my mistake. chill out. like you are just out to put down cliff burton. i can play that riff easy. but then again opinion is opinion.
Cliff Burton is probably the most overrated musician ever, as for Steve Harris, his basslines are really simple, only Digiorgio comes close to wooten, and wooten's technique far surpasses that of Harris and Burton's put together!!!
I agree that Cliff must be the most overated metal bassist ever. He was never so good to be called a legend, but you can't really say that Victor is better than Steve. Di Giorgio on fretless is far superior on feeling and composing than Victor, besides both of them have really different styles. I agree that the technical level of Victor is great but Steve Bailey
is even more technical than him IMO.
There is a group of bassist that you can't really compare, just choose your favourite.
About Harris, he's not a technical guy at all, but he has serious composing skills and that's a fact. Irom Maiden is what it is now mainly for him.
About "Digiorgio comes close to wooten"... that's not the case at all. On jazz/progressive music you can find plenty of masters of bass, such as Stanley Clarke, Marcus Miller, Percy Jones, Gary Willis, etx. All of them are equally talented and skillful than Victor (even I think some of them are better taking into account skill, harmonic sense, etx)
he is very fast and technical, but i still think Victor wooten is just as fast, and clean and shows much more range of styles and licks, and musicality. Victor is # 1
What's that loose hanging octopus attatched to his wrist???... Wait... Mother of god 'o_o
Brutalyeah 1 month ago
Sick right hand playing !!
Kamotos 5 months ago
@Bassbait Amen.
bassbaby82 7 months ago
@Bassbait Steve DiGiorgio > Cliff Burton and CHUCK NORISS
SpartanLaserCanon 7 months ago
@Bassbait Bass not developed? What? It was developed way earlier dude. What are you talking about?
Direksone 9 months ago 4
F$·%ck !!! This is not a contest for christ sake!!!! It´s just a brilliant bass player... wathever... I don´t understand this ridiculous concept fights...Just enyoy thats it!
Duranjulio 10 months ago
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sanjinator17 11 months ago
@sanjinator17 yeah there was other instruments playing at the same time though
DeathandGorefuckc0r3 10 months ago
Played any instrument or not, has anyone of you noticed that MUSIC IS NOT COMPETITION, MUSIC IS NOT A SPORT !!!
yosoyelmejordelmundo 11 months ago
hes brill,kool dude indeed
Loumetalsinger 11 months ago
@Bassbait Comparisons between Burton and DiGiorgio are moot. Some of your points are borderline false, pretentious elitism? Technical skill can only get you so far... it's the music itself which is important. Fretless? Five string? Again, it's how you use it, not that you use it. As for time, anyone can raise you a Jaco Pastorius in 1976. Different genres, you say? Well yes that's the point... different genres, different styles.
ruinawish 1 year ago
Yes, they ARE moot, which is why I defend him. It's not pretentious. I'm not claiming that I'm better, I'm claiming that Digiorgio is better. On a technical level, he definitely is. On a songwriting level, I still think he is because he writes more complex material and more interesting material. Cliff can do some cool things, but Digiorgio is better. P.S., I also consider Digiorgio better than Pastorius. I consider J.S. Bach better than every other band ever, but I still enjoy other bands.
Bassbait 1 year ago
@Bassbait Yeah, now that I think about it, it's not pretentious... more juvenile than anything. 'A is bigger than B', 'C is better than D', etc.
ruinawish 1 year ago
@ruinawish Juvenile? Really? So PREFERENCE is juvenile? Well then, I guess you're juvenile too... for disagreeing with me. Should I just not HAVE opinions then?
Bassbait 1 year ago
"ya for sure ya your fucking pretty lazy on that part, can you speed it up and do some technical shit?" XD
acunabks 1 year ago
Damn, that song sounds horrible.
gnrcr 1 year ago
@gnrcr que sabis vo de metal, basurita?
chaimpo 1 year ago 11
@gnrcr You probably Don't speak Spanish or whatever they said with all the jajaja's but I'm sure the English definition is FUCK YOU!
blackseedsofvengance 10 months ago
How can you even count Metallica as a band?
CriticBass 1 year ago
Crazy, crazy speed and fluency.
ruinawish 1 year ago
@Bassbait Better than who?
FREESHADY 1 year ago
dude, is that even legal?
Trasgoooo 1 year ago
whoever disliked this is a FUCKIN FAG
somatotrop 1 year ago
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Digorgio and Trujillo are great players
Burton is terribly gay. He 's not technically at all. His speed is made by his heavy sound like shit distortion pedal. And his solos are not event a bit musically interresting. When i had about 4 months of experience at bass i was already able to do all the things he did in his career.
Hope one day littles kids who listen metalli-caca (mean shit in french) will understand this and by the way lars and kirk suck too. That's it
feedyoursoul01 1 year ago
@feedyoursoul01 caca is shit in spanish. Merde is shit in french.
Undercoverfire 1 year ago
@feedyoursoul01 If you're saying Trujillo is better than Burton, you're the one who's terribly gay.
roarimacookie 1 year ago 2
he works at my school !
tamapaiste1 1 year ago
@tamapaiste1 doing what
57unkown 1 year ago
@Bwarg999 What who said Trujillo is better than burton??!!, they need a smack in the head!.
Aheadstix85 1 year ago
HELL FUCKING YEAH!
Arhandjel88 1 year ago
lol, don't judge musicians by the vids you see on YouTube. Really, DiGiorgio's solos outside of songs are really lame, but his bass playing inside songs is actually really good.
I don't know why I'm bothering here, but whatever. I don't really care too much about Trujillo's playing, but he's definitely got more chops than Burton.
Look, fuck it. Just listen to Silence Calls the Storm by Quo Vadis and listen to the technicality of that bass playing. Just because it's not a solo doesn't mean
ThePancakeMonster 1 year ago
@ThePancakeMonster yes i was going to take a fucking shotgun when i read this, but then i thought fuck you! jajaja
aporyon 1 year ago
@Bwarg999
1.That's because he's better. Cliff Burton wasn't being oppressed or anything, Digiorgio was just a lead element to the band. If you look at his other works in other bands, he still has much prominence, it's not like he's given different freedoms, because Cliff was given lots of freedom (For Whom the Bell Tolls, especially live)
2.It's just cool, but Digiorgio can use anything with strings on it.
3.Yes, age isn't a big factor, but for the record, Digiorgio was basically younger.
Bassbait 1 year ago
@Bwarg999 Yes, and by that I mean "Tracks not supposed to sound good by themselves"...
Bro, I can tell you've never been in any sort of recording/production situation if you think that a shitty sounding track will somehow sound good in the final mix. How were they altered? Support your argument.
Yeah, point out a 'sloppy' DiGiorgio solo... are you implying the one in this video?
Steve128967 1 year ago
That shit is not physically possible
wr3ck 1 year ago
freakin awesome!!althoug fretless..he knows it!!
dixusq 1 year ago
@Bassbait I agree with everything you said, aside from "and Bass wasn't even that developed back then either. " Check out some early Watchtower, and listen to Doug Keyser. These guys were the blueprint for bands like Death and Cynic.
deathbox75 1 year ago
@deathbox75 I've heard of Watchtower, but still, that's one band. I'm saying, aside from a couple of bands, Steve Digiorgio was revolutionary, and Sadus is only about a year later than Watchtower anyway. Bassists were generally simple beings before bassists like Digiorgio, and even though the occasional bassist was great, it seems that great bassists are much more prominent now.
Bassbait 1 year ago
if i ever see sadus live with this badass guy my head will explode cause of the awesomeness of his tecnic
ghuldorgrey 1 year ago
sweet
xdux 1 year ago
oh my fucking god
MorbosDevilGrinder 1 year ago
Lazy bastard...
deth0795 1 year ago
SICK!!!
KenjaminIII 1 year ago
non ho capito una nota manco per sbaglio
giuseppecongiatu 1 year ago
Witch band is Steve DiGiorgio playing now?
Really loved him when he was playing with Chuck Schuldiner.
JensTwn 1 year ago
@largesam72 Because he has audible timing issues, slurs his notes unintentionally all the time, etc... his solos are also not fast by any standard. No, neither is Anesthesia. Yes, I have read transcriptions of it, and the fastest parts are just simple pentatonic legato for a few notes.
Doug Keyser on the other hand is an amazing bassist who is way better than Cliff, he's one of the best in metal along with DiGiorgio, Pete Perez, Lars Norberg, Roger Patterson, Tony Choy and Jeroen Thesseling
Steve128967 1 year ago
@Steve128967 Whatever man. I still think Cliff kicks ass.
Yeah, those other dudes are definately some of the best. I haven't heard of Lars Norberg or Jeroen Thresseling before, I'll have to check them out. What bands are they from?
largesam72 1 year ago
@largesam72 Lars is from a band called Spiral Architect. Not too well-known, but he's brilliant. Try and find the song Insect. Jeroen plays in a band called Obscura, and his fretless bass playing is a very large part of their sound.
Steve128967 1 year ago
@Steve128967
dudes
stop fighting
steve is fuckin good
and cliff is fuckin good too
but everyone play on his style
and about jeroen thesseling
that guy have the best fuckin basslines
Humamibrahem 1 year ago
@Steve128967 Cool, thanks man.
largesam72 1 year ago
DiGiorgio is better than Cliff. Period.
Rafals1993 1 year ago
@Bassbait Wanna See A Real Bassist playing a Fretless Bass just search for Steve Bailey, DiGiorgio has nothing compared to him, That's how bassists should sound like
vengeance6661a7x 1 year ago
yawn
Risk2029 1 year ago
@Hretha, I didn't realize the bass was a new instrument in the 80s. Here I was thinking jazz musicians used it plenty.
ben56r 1 year ago
@ben56r i didn't say it was new, i said that it wasn't so veleopped... remember that he bass at the begining was made to replace the 4 strings of the guitar on lower octave, so ye it was used in jazz...
whatever here we're talking about bass on metal...
Hretha 1 year ago
@Hretha developped*
Hretha 1 year ago
Steve DiGiorgio is god!!!!!!
DaNiBeL16 1 year ago 17
this is my friends dad haha
iSinnedBadly 2 years ago
Who does he play for?
aligatorsandwitch72 2 years ago
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WTF ARE YOU COMPAIRING STEVE DIGIORGIO WITH BURTON???LMAO
Burton Was Just a fucking guitar player and the only thing he did was playing some lame basslines,and he is overrated and boring
Whereas,Steve Digiorgio And Victor Wooten are 2 of the best bassists ever lived.Wooten writes very cool and techical basslines,and Steve is very creative,and he doesn't use fucking distortion like burton.Burton Sucks
mixas375 2 years ago
agree
1gleba 2 years ago
@mixas375 Burton was a classically trained genius. You are fucking retarded for talking about topics you are clearly uneducated on.
KazekFuturi 2 years ago 3
well,burton wans't so lame,he was a good bassist,but only fast,steve di giorgio and alex webster are thousand times better
metallosissimo92 2 years ago
can anyone tell me what kind of playing hes doing? like is their a name to his techniqe?
afuckinletterbomb 2 years ago
@afuckinletterbomb
he uses the 3 fingers picking for technical riffs...
But he has his own technique, i read somewhere that he uses the fingers in a special order [ 3-2-1-2-3-1-3-2] or something like that...and besided that he plays a fretless bass...
No words...Steve DiGiorgio is a Beast !!
Hretha 2 years ago
much appreciated bro.
fuck yea he is.
afuckinletterbomb 2 years ago
@Hretha I agree that Steve is badass, but I wonder why he plays in that order. If you have finger 2 every other note, and then finger 3 every other note, then this is kind of redundant isnt it? Those finger are doing more work. If that is the order of how he plays, then I wonder how he pulls it off. Personally, I think that 3-2-1 (and then repeat) is the fastest pattern, but if that works for Steve then good for him.
HrapovikPlush 2 years ago
@HrapovikPlush I know it's kinda strange, i also play some death riffs with 3 fingers and i make 321 321 321, but i'm pretty sure that he uses a different method, is the same when u play 1-2 1-2, if u wanna go faster u just make 1-1-2 1-1-2...
At the end it depends on your fingers dexterity, some bassists are able to move their index faster, others their middle fingers...so it just takes some training to get a good dexterity.
Hretha 2 years ago
Lolz i know his daughter. I didn't even know he had such skill, she just told me he played bass and traveled the world lolololz
Antioch107 2 years ago
is she hot? xP
yeatsg 2 years ago
This is not a bass.
PATEv4 2 years ago
NO NO NO! this IS BASS!
melodiccreepingdeath 2 years ago
like a guitar sound
PATEv4 2 years ago
BEAST!!
dapik5 2 years ago
that was awsome!
deege10 2 years ago
Steve's a beast. This might sound stupid, but how do you pronounce DiGiorgio? I've been a fan opf his for a while now, but I've never known how to pronounce his name, which is rather embarrassing.
Thewalkindude22 2 years ago
@Thewalkindude22
Here's transcription - [dɪdʒɔrdʒio]
Cheers! :)
giorgizautashvili 2 years ago
FUCK i never knew this guy was anywhere fucking near this good!!! HOLY FUCKKKK
MattBodossian 2 years ago
u all want to argue about technical playing and speed and all that shit look at someone who isnt a metal bassist, Stu Hamm. you can usually see him playing with the best guitarist ever Joe Satriani
bssplyr00 2 years ago
No disrespect to Cliff Burton but DiGiorgio makes Cliff Burton's bass skills look mediocre and Burton was awesome.
DiGiorgio is a god.
RedShogun13 2 years ago 7
why do people argue so much? You don't need skill to write a great bassline. some of the best basslines are also simple. Taxman, another one bites the dust, money etc.
theancientmariner756 2 years ago 2
So will i, and wooten can do all this, all of which burton could only have had dreams of doing!! And i never bashed DiGiorgio because he unlike Burton has technique and appeal in his bass playing!
COBHC279 2 years ago
NO you want to suck Burton's dick so bad, god knows, you may even go to the extent of exhuming him and putting you're mouth where his dick would have been,
Again just because COBHC is in my user name it doesn't mean that its my favorite band, get that in that fucking brain of yours!
As for Wooten, he can play funk, Jazz, Bluegrass, and a little rock where as Burton can only play metal, and his bass lines are extremely simple compared to most REAL, REAL metal acts today not mallcore rubbish.
COBHC279 2 years ago
Note, at the point Burton's Bass lines were recorded, they were using analog tech, and Metallica was piss broke, so they didn't really have the chance to go back and re-edit shit like the musicians of today do. He simplified a lot of the shit he put on album versions so it didn't sound sloppy. On stage however, he was a soloing fucking monster.
Jinxerz010792 2 years ago
think about this....burton was 24 when he died as for wooten and digiorgio are in there 40's now so they have been playing for about 20 years longer than burton so any more shit you wanna talk on burton faggot
666bringerofdeath 2 years ago
wow people are still Saying Burtons Better FUCK some people Digiorgio is 50 Million Times better then burton ever was
TrevortheBrutal 2 years ago
Agreed!!!!!!!!!!
COBHC279 2 years ago
that is a very good point, burton is one of my favorite bassists, and everyone wants to say digorgio is better but who knows what burton could of pulled off if he was still alive in his 40's. they are both excellent bassists
bssplyr00 2 years ago
Uh, Cliff would be about 5 years younger and considering the fact that SDG fucking rocked at around that time, no, you're full of shit. Age doesn't matter in terms of skill.
Anyone who knows shit about bass playing knows that
A) Digiorgio is one of the best players
B) Burton sucks. If you argue otherwise, you are wrong.
Steve128967 2 years ago
Burton is overrated, that's for sure he was really good and indeed one of my influences...still he's not the best...and Steve DiGiorgio...yeah for sure he plays really good...but he sucks a lot at soloing...he plays fast, but he can't do something that sounds melodic...just fast...
vengeance6661a7x 2 years ago
No, Cliff sucked. The one thing you never hear people talk about is how he played in the context of a song (which is what ANY bassist should be best at) and at that he truly failed. He didn't play the speed of the guitars, usually 8ths or quarter notes and when he did that they were extremely sloppy.
His live soloing is even worse-- he slurred unintentionally. Also, most of Steve's bass solos on youtube are him messing around with effects, but he can do some cool shit. Check out "Cosmic Sea"
Steve128967 2 years ago
I know Burton was sloppy, indeed the live effect he used makes impossible for some people to hear all the mistakes which were a lot and I know that there are tons of bassists better than Burton but when playing live...for your fans, you can't just play shit like most of the solos of Digiorgio on youttube, he is a great bassist, but at least when playing live, he sucks at composing solos
Awesome bassists: Myung, who has a lot of knwledge of theory and technique, Miller, etc, but not Digiorgio
vengeance6661a7x 2 years ago
You know Steve is a jazz bassist before a metal one, right? He knows a LOT of theory. Plus, Myung is overrated as hell. Also, you should hear SDG actually soloing instead of experimenting with his effects-- something you won't unless you listen to stuff like Cosmic Sea (particularly striking) or some Dark Hall songs.
Miller = Thomas Miller right? Don't listen to Symphony X that much, so I can't comment
Steve128967 2 years ago 2
i know Myung is not the best but he's not overrated...he is very fuckin' good and you don't graduate from Berklee...for nothing, he is really good and even though people think he is overrated I don't think so he is not overrated, he is a great musician, and well as I said I just meant about live solos that song is really cool and what he plays is awesome but there are still a fuckin' lot of solos better than that just listen to Mr. Big, Billy Sheehan he has better roffs and solos than that one
vengeance6661a7x 2 years ago
And BTW I meant the jazz bassist Marcus Miller
vengeance6661a7x 2 years ago
John Myung didn't graduate dude. He dropped out although I'm not sure when. He is definitely overrated, while he has some skill his left hand technique is limited and he hits the strings far too hard.
Steve could probably come up with something nice soudning, esp. if he is a fusion bassist. Billy Sheehan and him are almost completely different though.
Steve128967 2 years ago
Indeed as far as I know he graduated but well whatever, You can't say his left hand technique is limited because...everyone's is limited, and Digiorgio has never showed something to me more skilled that what I've always seen from Myung, not even near, the hitting the strings hard or not is depending on the bassist that means nothing if you talk about if he is good or not, still listen well and he doesn't do it hard unless to emphasize and that's something important when playing bass indeed
vengeance6661a7x 2 years ago
You don't understand, John Myung's speed mostly comes from his use of four fingers, which isn't that good because he literally slaps the strings WHENEVER he hits them, all the time, like in Dance of Eternity. Just watch his instructional videos. It is way easier to play fast and dig into the strings than play it clean, which you will find on people like Matt Garrison, Billy Sheehan, and yes, DiGiorgio.
Steve128967 2 years ago
I repeat...that depends on the bassist is like picking techniques that doesn't mean bad...he plays that way because that's the way he likes the sound and indeed though I don't do that, I like that sound, and BTW, listen to other songs (most of them) and you'll notice he doesn't do that, just in some, and as I said because that's the sound he wants to be like...that depends on the person IMO I like Myung's live plucking way more than Digiorgio's, and even thought I don't say his plucking is bad
vengeance6661a7x 2 years ago
Yes, I quite understand what you mean. But while other bassists can slam them or play it soft, Myung does it ALL THE TIME, literally. And I listen to Dream Theater quite a bit. He does it because he learned without an amp at first, so he needed to hit hard to hear himself and he never kicked the habit. He would be a lot slower if he tried to play soft.
anyway it's pointless arguing on this really, so whatever.
Steve128967 2 years ago
Well indeed it's pointless but just one last fact...it's easier playing fast if you do it softer...and I have Dream's discography and he doesn't slam the strings on album nor live...but well that's my opinion
vengeance6661a7x 2 years ago
If you ask me "Steve DiGiorgio solo [incomplete]" There's no good bassist who'd dare to do that on stage....not even drunk
vengeance6661a7x 2 years ago
are you high or just retarded? so me what metallica song where cliff burton did not played in the context of a song (in which he is the best bassist ever), and yet he truely succeded in doing. i am not sure you even play bass at all, if the bass is suppse to follow the guitar all the time then you are a complete moron. i tend to hear a lot of fucking people say that a bass player should follow the drums, but then again i suspect that you are not a bass player but a failed guitarist at guitar.
bigbobboi 2 years ago
Well, since I can't make sense of what you're talking about for the most part
A) I do play bass
B) you failed to read what I was saying. Cliff played the guitar parts (which are pretty boring), played them SIMPLIFIED and played them SHITTILY.
C) find me one metallica song that isn't Orion where he played a completely separate melody than the guitar.
D) I don't support the bass doing that at all. And I can barely even play guitar, so I suggest you like, shut up?
Steve128967 2 years ago
Kill 'Em All is full of alternate basslines/melodies. Call of Ktulu, also...I mean, in the context of songs themselves, after KEA, Cliff didn't do anything outstanding. Geddy's the best at creating his own melody and adding to the song, in my opinion.
tyleral45 2 years ago 2
cmon man thats because killem all is a more heavy metal oriented album he had more space to play, ride and master are different and they buried him in the mix
ROBOCOPER 2 years ago
There is a ton of space to play in those other two albums; he didn't. And it's not a matter of burying him in the mix. Newstead has a legit beef in that regard, but not Cliff. Bottom line: buried in the mix or not, his lines weren't as creative/inventive as they were on the original album. It's not about the volume of the bass on an album.
tyleral45 2 years ago
ok you speak as if you have recorded many albums, do you have a band? do you play at all dude? i mean i do, i just cant believe you talk about cliff like if he was a dumbass, or if he was just like any bass player the dude was unique for his time and the day you come up with something as innovative as that intro to damage inc, or the midle part to master of puppets you should not open your mouth
ROBOCOPER 2 years ago
why are comparing geddy lee to cliff, its like comparing soccer and football two different worlds man, ofcourse geddy is awesome but you cannot compare the styles cliff was a heavy metal bassist man lee is progressive 70s rock dude and cliff loved his playing
ROBOCOPER 2 years ago
1) I've played bass for 5 years now; I love Cliff more than anyone, but you have to keep everything in perspective. He was extremely innovative and no one will be like him again. That being said, is he the best bassist of all time? Not even close...and in regards to the middle part of MOP, that was the worst segment of Cliff-dom ever mentioned. That wasn't all that impressive or complex; it was just a segment of song that you apparently have a lot of attachment towards.
tyleral45 2 years ago
i was referring to the whole arrangement not the bassline. and yea im very attached to it, and i know cliff wasnt the greatest bassist ever im sure hes not , but he will allways be the reason i play the bass he was my inspiration my role model so to me he is so special
ROBOCOPER 2 years ago
@Steve128967
If you listen closely to The Call of Ktulu you'll hear that Cliff plays a bass solo through 80% of the whole song
noskoolskater 2 years ago
while that is an excellent song, the only parts you can really hear it in are the fuzz wah fills, they never played that live while he was in the band either...
Steve128967 2 years ago
you are absolutely right but i guess people do not know shit about it or even know how to listen to music,
ROBOCOPER 2 years ago
kid cliff was a composer more than a technical bass player he was awesome feeling oriented composer that wrote some ofmetallicas greatest music ofcourse you cannot compare him in ability with steve d. cliff was a musical genious that contributed to the creation of a whole different genre of music.
ROBOCOPER 2 years ago
steve is one of the best players im not saying he isnt im jsut saying he has like 10-15 more years practice at bass at the time of this video while cliff died when he was only 24 so your fucking stupid
666bringerofdeath 2 years ago
let's do a bit of math, shall we? Steve was born in 1967. Cliff was born in 1961. That means in 1991 when Steve recorded Human (a LANDMARK album) he was 24 years old.
So shut the fuck up, dick. Kthx.
Steve128967 2 years ago
were not talking about human or 1991 are we??? no were talking about this video which is cleary in the 2000's so wtf? and cliff was born in 62 not 61 :) but back to the point steve didnt even write hardly anything if anything off human...it was all chuck and is there any solos on human???nope sure isnt so yea
666bringerofdeath 2 years ago
Uh, there are plenty solos on Human. You're acting as if Cliff would be better than Steve if he were alive. So considering the fact that Steve recorded that technical ass album (which Burton COULD NOT touch) at the same age Cliff died (Steve was thrashing in Sadus even younger) that pretty much makes your point invalid. Steve was better than Cliff when they were both alive. Still applies.
Steve128967 2 years ago
cliff would be better if he was still alive indeed and dont act like you know good music and thrash when you have gay ass mastodon vids on your page...mastodon fuckin blows
666bringerofdeath 2 years ago
No he wasn't. You don't realize how overrated Cliff really was, right? Let's review. I'm gonna assume you don't know shit about bass (you don't)
Steve: played on much faster, technical records, on fretless, and didn't fuck up
Cliff: played on relatively primitive thrash records, and was sloppy as hell
Doesn't add up. Also, "good taste" in music is completely subjective, so shut the fuck up.
I also have an Atheist video. Know who they are? doubt it.
Steve128967 2 years ago 3
yea man ROGER PATTERSON he died cmon dude Cliff was not a flashy player man he knew it he died at 24 dude he was a kid he was just creative master of puppets is 50% his music the whole thing dont bash that guy
ROBOCOPER 2 years ago
what are you trying to say, exactly? could I see some fucking periods in your sentence? =/
Steve128967 2 years ago
hey man relax why are you using words like fucking, i bet if i was in front of you you would not even try to curse me out. But anyway what im saying is that cliff Burton was a creative genious and not a flashy technical bassplayer and also he was responsible for more than half of metallicas best musical pieces
ROBOCOPER 2 years ago
if you mean he had about 10 writing credits over the course of his 3 years in the sun, then yeah. the only thing he basically wrote all by himself entirely is Anesthesia and To Live Is To Die and a very large portion of Orion.
yes he was a good composer, not a genius, but still good. but his actual playing is way overrated.
Steve128967 2 years ago
so someone who creates a genre of music is not a genius? ok man lets call him a visionary and his playing was from within not technical or skillfull. in a few years you will know what i mean. by the way steve is my buddy i know him and he shares my point of view about cliff
ROBOCOPER 2 years ago
how did Cliff create a genre of music?
You can also find Cliff's isolated bass tracks easily, and they're nothing but slop and mess, and they're simple, watered down versions of the guitar lines, with some independent melodies on occasion.
Steve128967 2 years ago
ok bro cliff was nothing then kid. i want to hear you play what have u done?
ROBOCOPER 2 years ago
plus my friend how can you judge his playing like over rated, when we can hardly hear him on the mixes. all we have is his solos and his compositions.......
ROBOCOPER 2 years ago
lol nice. steve was born in 67 eh? iron maiden started out in 64. so that means steve harris was a fucking genius at 3 years old. steve harris should be at the top of all the lists for the being the first 3 year old bass player of metal.
bigbobboi 2 years ago
holy shit, i fucked up my own comment lol. he would be in the negatives. that means steve harris was playing bass in the ball sacks of his father when iron maiden started. fucking A.
bigbobboi 2 years ago
... no, Steve DiGiorgio...?
Steve Harris was born in 1956 and got his first bass when he was like 17 I think. He's good for "just" metal but he's hardly the best by any standard.
Steve128967 2 years ago
ok, that makes my arguement even better then, i was replying to the asshole who said that steve harris was born in 1967. i believe steve harris could be better at any music if it was leading him down the same line as iron maiden. but then again opinion is opinion.
bigbobboi 2 years ago
what? Is English your first language?
If you notice, this video is of Steve DIGIORGIO. I said Steve's name with the assumption people would connect it with the person that this is of... duh?
Steve128967 2 years ago
yet you tried so hard to correct me about STEVE HARRIS.
bigbobboi 2 years ago
yes, because you... said something about him...?
You're not making any sense. Like, at all.
Steve128967 2 years ago
what? is Englist your fist language????????????????????????????????????
you replied to me about steve harris but yet you complain about me saying anything about steve DIGIORGIO?
bigbobboi 2 years ago
Um, yeah. Since you replied to ME, mistakenly saying I said he was born in 1967. What the fuck is your deal...
Steve128967 2 years ago
doesnt matter, your opinion is as good as the next. my mistake. chill out. like you are just out to put down cliff burton. i can play that riff easy. but then again opinion is opinion.
bigbobboi 2 years ago
Bodom fan???
What a faggot.
Still stuck to the same sentence.
Wooten can't compose???
He composes way better than burton.
Burton can't do anything without distortion.
And Burton has absolutely no technique compared to Wooten. Whereas Wooten has mastered every technique there is on the bass guitar.
Boring and one minded??.Exactly what defines Burton's playing style.
Whereas Wooten can play all styles.Now, Don't give me shit like "You're a cob fan so you don't have a penis"!
COBHC279 2 years ago
Neither of them are as good as Victor Wooten.
And you say victor wooten is overrated ???
Cliff Burton is probably the most overrated musician ever, as for Steve Harris, his basslines are really simple, only Digiorgio comes close to wooten, and wooten's technique far surpasses that of Harris and Burton's put together!!!
COBHC279 2 years ago 3
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goat6668 2 years ago
I agree that Cliff must be the most overated metal bassist ever. He was never so good to be called a legend, but you can't really say that Victor is better than Steve. Di Giorgio on fretless is far superior on feeling and composing than Victor, besides both of them have really different styles. I agree that the technical level of Victor is great but Steve Bailey
is even more technical than him IMO.
There is a group of bassist that you can't really compare, just choose your favourite.
ItsNotaTuhmah 2 years ago
About Harris, he's not a technical guy at all, but he has serious composing skills and that's a fact. Irom Maiden is what it is now mainly for him.
About "Digiorgio comes close to wooten"... that's not the case at all. On jazz/progressive music you can find plenty of masters of bass, such as Stanley Clarke, Marcus Miller, Percy Jones, Gary Willis, etx. All of them are equally talented and skillful than Victor (even I think some of them are better taking into account skill, harmonic sense, etx)
ItsNotaTuhmah 2 years ago
Cliff isn't overrated...maybe a little, but he was a amazing bass player with no doubt
fraka899 2 years ago
Don't forget Geezer Butler.
KissMeImPunk 2 years ago
Doesn't show very well but he's playing a fretless bass, thats what makes this even more impressive
Not only is he insanely fast (i think his best is like 32nd notes) but for a fretless bass its incredibly accurate
kqrulz3000 2 years ago 2
Not to mention he can play fusion very well, like in Dark Hall.
Steve128967 2 years ago
"Wooten will forever be Boring the same and overrated my friend" x2
polo08 2 years ago
he is very fast and technical, but i still think Victor wooten is just as fast, and clean and shows much more range of styles and licks, and musicality. Victor is # 1
maddtappin 2 years ago
DAMN! Steve digorgio is the best bassist i've ever seen, right next to victor wooten
thygodofrock190 2 years ago 7
Lmao.
Steve FTW
corrda1993 2 years ago 2
this is THE bassist.. one of the best around there :D
linkleonhart123 2 years ago 2
lol "six foot four im laid with everything"
sweet
Israelpwn 2 years ago 3
lazy with everything
chris170b 2 years ago
Lazy not laid =/
brendanpr21 2 years ago
HAHAHAHA!
TheOuterSpaceBassMan 2 years ago