MaskedLosah since you are defending Fred Phelps are you going to joined WBC's picketing of Militiary Funerals? What do you think of the Patriot Guard Riders? Since they are Anti-WBC.
@TBearM1776 - I'm defending WBC's free speech; that doesn't mean I agree with it. So no, I won't be picketing funerals. I think the PGRs are well within their rights to counter-protest WBC activities.
MaskedLosah=Vikum Quisling. to the liberals, to the Conservatives, to the Religous Right, to the Anti-War Left, To the New York Times you defend Westboro's sick acts i.e. picketing at military funerals and othe sick acts YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A QUSILING BASDARDS. THE VETS, LGBTS, VICTIMS OF 9/11 ETC WOULD NEVER FOGIVE NOR FORGET THIS QUISLING ACT
WBC certainly has free speech rights, but so do I. So do the Patriot Guard Riders. So does everyone else. Why, then, are you complaining about those of us who voice our dissent toward that so-called Christian church? Why the double-standard, MaskedLosah?
@cincyblows - I'm not complaining because people speak out; I'm complaining because it took them so damned long. The WBC has been picketing for 20 years, and for half that time, they confined their funeral protests to people who died from AIDS or to known homosexuals. It was only when they started picketing soldiers and other 'heroes' that a wide swath of hypocrites came out of the wood-work to whine about 'community decency standards.' (If it's not universal, then it's not a "standard.")
@MaskedLosah Oh, ok. So the only right answer is to hate people in the name of God, right? Since Jesus died on the cross for EVERYONE'S sins, how about you stop being so self-righteous? Or are you only applauding wbc because they (failingly) validate your own hate?
@cincyblows - My first instinct here is to not even answer your nonsense - but I'll try again, anyway: Did you actually watch the video through, or go to the website (where pro-gay organizations are listed prominently on the sidebar of every page)? My guess would be you didn't. How about you go do that before you criticize me for "hating" or mischaracterize what I've posted here as "applauding the WBC."
I defend Westboro Baptist Church for a different reason. They live in a church commune, study the Bible like a law book, and go around the country for this their skydad. Call them what you want, they are Christian. And compared to the average, I believe they are the more honest (albiet repulsive) Christian. To me they highlight why secularization makes societies more ethical, and that's important.
As for funerals, people should have a right to privacy. Yelling fire in a theater material, IMO.
How is it unconstitutional to keep them at a certain distance from said target? I'm genuinely curious. There is nothing wrong with requesting that they stay, for instance, 500 feet or so from the funeral area so as to allow for some privacy for the mourners. We need not always have a strict libertarian position on everything in the Bill of Rights. And personally, I would have no problem with this rule being extended to other protests, i.e. those of abortion clinics.
@SuburbanAcres - 500 feet isn't 'out of earshot.' Just FYI, but the WBC picketers were *a thousand* feet from the funeral of Matthew Snyder (whose father 's suit is now being decided by SCOTUS). There are three key freedoms, all in the First Amendment, that need to be considered here: Speech, peaceable assembly, and religious belief. Telling WBC that they can't protest in the general vicinity of a funeral, on the same public thoroughfare that hosts the PGR (for example), violates all three.
have you ever been to a funeral of a friend or family member? Self discipline or not... it's a fucked up thing to hold up those signs 'insulting' your friend/family member etc...
@EllEiEllE - No matter how many people try, or how many ways it's attempted, there is no way to legislate morality beyond the bare minimum required to keep society running (e.g., laws against murder or theft). We can only deal with the fact of free speech when talking about whether WBC is allowed to picket or not. Whether members' actions are "moral" or not has no bearing on the discussion.
If you're really concerned about morality, then see that you live an upright life.
@SuburbanAcres - If you believe in a literal, eternal hell, as many Christians claim, then the only proper response is to spend all day, every day warning people about it. Failing to do that is also failing to love your neighbor.
@MaskedLosah "the only proper response is to spend all day, every day warning people about it. Failing to do that is also failing to love your neighbor."
What do you base this upon? Let me guess: the Phelps' interpretation of Leviticus 19:17-18, right?
Do Fred Phelps and his "congregation" (term used loosely) have the right to free speech, meaning the right to say pretty much whatever they want? Absolutely. But they are NOT entitled vis-a-vis the Constitution a "right to be heard," that is to say a right to have others listen to their disgusting message. This is why I cannot wrap my mind around people who rail against the funeral restriction laws saying "but they're out of earshot!" Screw that.
@SuburbanAcres - You do not have a constitutional right not to be offended. WBC members do have a constitutional right to peacefully assemble and protest in public. If you don't like their message, IGNORE them. It's that simple. All it takes is a teeny bit of self-discipline on your part.
@MaskedLosah Re-read my comment, friend. Where did I say anything about having a right to not be offended? I work in retail; people offend me all the time and I deal with it. All I said was that despite having a right to speak, they do not have a right to be heard. I have heard some, notably the ACLU, say that the funeral restriction laws are somehow unconstitutional because they put the Phelpses "out of earshot." That's like me calling you and asshole and saying you have no right to walk away.
@SuburbanAcres - Members have a right to stand on public thoroughfares where they can be heard and seen. Forcing picketers to stay out of earshot of their targets is unconstitutional - and a bad idea, too, if you consider what such a rule would mean for political protesters of every sort.
No one is being forced to actually listen to what they're saying. People can walk away from the protesters and onto private property or into a building, or they can simply *ignore* them.
@MaskedLosah One more thing: If the Constitution protects such speech/actions as you say, then the door must surely swing the other way. What do I mean by that? Several friends and I are planning on taking a road trip up to Topeka this summer. Our purpose? To stand outside the Westboro Baptist Church building with protest signs of our own. Counter-protests, as well intentioned as they may be, do nothing in the end. Let's see how they respond to someone else striking first, so to speak.
@SuburbanAcres - I'm pretty sure it has been done before, protesting near the WBC; but I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to take a crack at it. Just be sure to call the Topeka police department and announce your intentions so that you're within the law when you picket. (WBC actually informs local authorities ahead of time to avoid accidentally breaching some point of law that could get picketers either sued or arrested.)
@Bifrons: When I see someone out and about scantily clad, hocking loogies all over the sidewalk, and swearing like a drunken sailor, I think she's "trespassing on my life." She has that right, however, because the streets belong to everyone and not just me. If you don't like how people use their legally-protected freedom of expression, then don't look. You don't have a right *not* to be offended.
@MaskedLosah Do the loogies hit you or were they meant to hit you? If no, then it's not personal and you should get over it. If someone does something mean-spirited to spite you, then it's personal. When I goto pay my respects to someone and these guys are there saying hateful things about them, me and everyone else there, It's personal. Good thing I was in a vehicle and they were not allowed anywhere close to the service. They were like flies that went out of their way to cause pain.
@Bifrons: They picket 40 times a week. Mean-spirited comments roll off their tongues as a matter of habit. You can choose to take it personally, and use your hurt feelings to justify trying to strip them of their legal right to free speech, assembly, and religious practice, or you can accept that putting up with their activities is part of the price everyone has to pay for freedom.
@MaskedLosah actually, ml, we do have the right to not be offended. in fact, we are free to choose not to be offended ever second of ever day of your life. what we do not have the right to, is to blame someone else, and make them suffer for our choice. i will watch that same person walk down that same street, and not take offense, unless i have fallen into hate and ignorance, and chosen to be offended. indeed, being offended is truly ones own malady – take care not to inflict it upon others.
...Freedom of speech includes the freedom to ridicule others for making a mockery of free speech.
Yes, they should be allowed to protest, but I should also be allowed to counter their arguments, surround them peacefully and block out their protest, or drown them out with noise
You at the WBC claim to be speaking for God, when the only ones your really speaking for is yourselfs. YOU hate Fags, YOU hate "Sin". But who would listen to a few nutjobs standing on a street corner spewing hate? So you needed a gimmick, something that could make your hate seem somewhat legitimate, that's when you found God.
The WBC is a sad joke, and I can't wait until that vile Phelps (and his offspring) are dead and gone.
The problem with your arguments is that your thinking that we all believe in the same crap you do. I'm a spiritual person, but I realize that religion was simply a way to explain the unexplained, and control the masses long ago.
So you have done no wrong? What would you do if your brother or sister died in 9/11 and they were picketing at his/her funeral? Would you just be like "oh, i should treat them nicely, i mean, i could end up in hell if i speak out against them", no, you would want to murder them. So dont tell us that you cant do no wrong and blame everybody else.
this is why religion fucks stuff up. all of these people are so wrapped up in hating gay people and arguing that they dont even take the time to do what jesus would do. love people.
MaskedLosah, are you a Christian? If so I would like the chance to address the Westboro's ministry with you in a civil way.
Westboro were hate-mongering false prophets to begin with. The actions of those who oppose them have nothing to do with how their behavior has gotten so severe.
The WBC were only one among dozens of Christian groups who protested at the funerals of dead homosexuals and AIDs sufferers.
It was only after they started picketing at soldier's funerals (who are this nations' precious little idols) that the "Christians" of America started giving a damn, and paid any media attention to the WBC.
Nobody cared about their "hate-mongering" ministry until they started targeting non-gays and other Christians. Get out of here.
@balloonsrfun2122 Well... obviously you didn't actually watch the video and read what he said, otherwise your fag ass would actually agree with the pathetic nature of so much of the protesting of the WBC. The Patriot Guard Riders, I respect their group immensely, however, did they do the same thing for the families of gay men and women who were introduced to the sight of the WBC at their childrens funeral? Did people really care or notice?
@Mikeybetts: It's safe to assume you didn't actually *watch* this video, since you think I actually give a rat's ass whether you're a homosexual or merely a supporter of equal rights for homosexuals.
I had this long logical argument planned out, and I wanted to start a legitimate debate here, but I realized you're just not worth the time. Your claims are farcical at best. Go peddle your contempt somewhere else.
Yeah - you had such great arguments that you decided not to present them, choosing instead to hurl weak insults. Something tells me I'm not missing much in being denied access to the treasures of your intellect. And, just FYI, I can "peddle my contempt" in any public forum I damned-well please. That's called "freedom."
we are not a perfect people.... neither are the chirch phonies...*we* hate as humans we ar enot perfect.... but things must b said against them... people must take a stand.... what they are doing is no longer having anything 2 do with christianity.... its about evil a false church being lead by no better then a demon him self... ur not just wrong if u suport them your litteraly insaine...
First of all, I think you should go to the website and look at my reasons for supporting their rights. Secondly, while I view the Bible and Christianity differently than they do, their position is mostly in line with commonly accepted orthodoxy. Your hyperbolic descriptions of them are wrong on so many levels.
Psalm 5:5-6, Psalm 11:5, Malachi 1:3, Proverbs 6:16-19, Hosea 9:15 - and that's just for starters. Be sure to duck Luke 14:26 and all that hell-talk Jesus did.
Sorry, dude, but you should read the Bible every once in awhile if you're going to profess a belief in Jesus.
Luke 14 is a parable told by Jesus about attending a banquet, and how people should humble themselves that they may be exalted. He's telling people to lose all self-image and righteousness.
Jesus doesn't mention hell once in chapter 14 of Luke, and it also doesn't say "Jesus hates ____" or "God hates ____"
All the other books you mention are old testament books, which have nothing to do with Jesus.
The Old Testament doesn't talk about the attributes of God? Jesus' mentions of a hell for people who don't follow a certain path don't bespeak hatred?
The Old Testament is just as important as the New Testament. Don't disregard it. Read it.
And the text of Luke 14:26 is pretty clear: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
Oh. So, you DO hate your mom and dad right?? And your siblings?? Cause if not, you can't be a Christian.
You're taking the passage out of its context to try and make it support your hatred.
The Old Testament books are all written by different authors from different places and different times, thousands of years apart. The Bible wasn't put together until the year 330. It lacks a unified message, and taken at nothing but face value, it contradicts itself.
IF you are not in fact a literalist, than I would suggest you should try and get to the deeper meaning behind many of the things Jesus says, including the story in Luke. When taken exclusively at face value, many parts of the Bible are contradictory, and one can find support for just about anything in its words.
Also, the character of God is very different in various texts, especially in the Old Testament.
You should read books of the Bible in their entirety, not just passages.
If you read the Bible in its entirety, God is still a hateful and vindictive character.
MaskedLosah is NOT a literalist Christian, and is in fact supportive of gay rights. Don't get confused here.
What the WBC believes matches the Bible more closely than anything the moderate or Conservative Christians in America believe today. It's a fact. You haven't refuted anything she's said so far.
How can you miss the fact that God hates people throughout the Bible?
LOL, How can you possibly believe the Old Testament has nothing to do with Jesus? You know he and the apostles quote it constantly throughout the New Testament? You haven't read the Bible once in your life, have you?
The WBC only picketed fag parades and fag funerals until the Government began a broader campaign to legalize the fag lifestyle, and to impede the preaching of God's word against it. At that point, the WBC began picketing military funerals too, because in their view, a nation that condones the fag lifestyle with its laws is equally guilty in the eyes of God. America is proud of its abominable sins, so God is cursing America.
You know I NEVER thought about it in this regard but its true, and as a gay man it hits home.
NOONE GAVE A DAMN when Westboro was protesting the funeral of AIDS victims or Matthew Shepard. Now they are going after the soldiers funerals and everyone is in an uproar.
Not excusing their actions in any form, but you should think about who you are as a person if you once supported their cause and now you dont.
However - hating these people would only aggravate the problem : the followers would only be even more convinced in their beliefs !
What you should do is simply ignore them. And when Fred Sr Phelps dies, the church would fall and all of his mess with him. WBC won't survive the death of the Guru.
Please don't make a martyr out of Fred Phelps Sr, it would only make things worse !
The main reason why WBC hates everything is mostly because of Fred Phelps Sr. He was beating his kids, mind washed them and made bad things at school so his kids would be ill-seen and proving that the hateful pastor was right.
WBC aren't christians to teach hate. Fred did horrible things, that is for sure. Disgracing funerals, ignoring dignity...it's plain disgusting. They are completely living out of the teachings of Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for their sins !!!
You have a serious problem if you think you, a mere mortal, can tell when anyone is doomed beyond hope of salvation. (And before anyone responds, yes, I think WBC members have a serious problem.)
Phred gets his justification from the bible. And it's there. All this proves is the bible is a vile, evil, deplorable bit of fiction that some ppl have been brainwashed into believing. All you've shown is that they are media whores. They didn't get enough attention with what they were doing so they upped the ante. They're nothing but a bunch of neurotic, brainwashed, attention whores.
...that the majority of people - some of whom claimed to believe as you do - allowed the WBC to get this out of hand by feeding their egos through poorly executed counter-protests, by entrenching their persecution complex through unconstitutional laws (or worse, through criminal activity), or by supporting their anti-gay nonsense (at least until they started picketing military funerals).
And all YOU got out of this video is "they're media whores" and "the Bible sucks." Pfft.
I don't feel or think I'm superior to you. I just think you missed the point. I also checked out your personal YouTube page; and I make it a policy never to argue seriously with someone who *knows he's right.*
The point is obvious. You like to act pedantic to bolster your unearned sense of superiority. The attention whores at wbc are a perfect vehicle for it. It's all chicken scratching. Furthermore you missed my point while you hypocritically come off as one who "knows he's right."
I think you came here for an argument, and are sorely disappointed I didn't latch on to your ' the bible is a vile, evil, deplorable bit of fiction' whine. You like the idea of "shredding people's fantasies" and are throwing a hissy fit because I'm not playing along. I also think you're a fanatic of a different sort, and all the more hypocritical because you dare bitch about the WBC. If you dont like my videos, and find them too pedestrian for yur high-brow tastes, then leave.
Hilarious you think you didn't argue. Also too funny you callimg me a fanatic. Oh the irony. lol. I don't find your videos to be pedestrian. They don't attain that lofty goal. Rather I have to wonder why they allow computers in a mental institution.
Seriously -.are you defending free speech or religious dogma? Do you even know?
I'm defending free speech; I don't agree with their dogma. And yes, you are a fanatic - and with a nice, shiny mirror at that. Your entire personal page is a testament to it.
And now, I think I've wasted enough of my time. Ill keep posting your funnies. You're welcome to post on my wall, as well - but this will be my last response. Jerks get old, fast.
Calling me a fanatic with a shiny mirror is the height of hypocrisy. Turn the mirror on yourself. I actually defend their right to say what they want. I think they are great proof of how vile religion is. Your videos are vapid and illusory. They don't make your point worth a damn. BTW - I bet you can't let me have the last word. Even though you said you would. Assclowns like you are transparent.
To whoever made this video (sorry i cant adress your name because you seem to be hiding it),
As a strait christian, my opinion (accually its a fact now) is that your protest group is simply barbaric. There isnt many other ways to put it. God would be ashamed to see someone wishing death upon innocent people. That's right, innocent. They havn't sinned in any way according to the REAL words in the bible. So, I would appreciate if you would message me with a response, then we can talk more.
I fucking hate the westboro baptist church. They think that 9/11 was a good act...I think that the whole of WBC should die a painful death for that. Wankers.
They should die because they say things you don't like, but you still think 9/11 - an act carried out by Islamic extremists who believed pretty much the same about speech - is a bad thing. There's a contradiction here.
9/11 was a terrorist attack and they thought it was good. What does that suggest? It makes them as low as a terrorist. Muslim is an excuse for mindless killing by extremists, they are not muslim at all.
I'm talking about YOU - the similarities between you and the Muslim extremists who believe that offensive Western media" and "offensive Western style" and offensive Western speech" and "offensive Western economics and policies" are each, in themselves, an acceptable reason to kill people. YOU also believe extreme differences in speech and custom are sufficient justification for killing people.
as an atheist i have no problem kicking the shit out of them... i believe in values and what they do is mental abuse which at times can be worse than physical abuse. show up to a funeral around long island and ill go to jail for assault. it would be worth it.
Sticks and stones will break my bones, but...People can ignore the WBC. In fact, if they'd done that consistently, starting years ago, then this wouldn't be a problem today. No need for legislation against Freedom of Speech.
@MaskedLosah I agree with the laws prohibiting them protesting close to ANY funeral or memorial service. I don't care if the law was way overdue or what it took to get it in place. The important thing is that it's here and all states should follow suit. They have around 70 members and over 80% of those are family. Eventually, they will die off. Four of phelps kids escaped years ago. If we just ignore the WBC, they will go away. They are pests at best.
Very evocative video, I agree almost wholeheartedly, hating people who hate is foolish, but as is tolerating intolerance... the WBC just show how bad and damaging religion/imaginary friends can be... we do not need it for our morals, we do not need it for explanation, to quote Christopher Hitchens: "Religion poisons everything," I think the world would be a far better place with out it,
but either way, sending death threats to the wbc is complete hypocrisy.
Maskedlosah, WBC are totally out of touch with reality and they're delusional! They go to the funerals of fallen soldiers waving signs that say Thank god for dead soldiers and other disgusting things, and we should respect them! They don't deserve to respected!
Maskedlosah, These people are totally out of touch with reality. Any group who spews the kind of hate and filth that these people spew don't deserve respect.
It is wrong to protest at any funaral. this is a time of greef for loved ones. If you do not like the war protest the government , not the men and women of the forces that keep you free.
Never laughed better ..... "I found them intelligent, nice, kind people; they were very hospitable to me" ... as long as you aren't black, asian, jewish, a REAL christian, a muslim, hindu, buddhist, amish ... I could go one with that list for some time....
Defending people who say the Holocaust was a miniscule !? Please visit Auschwitz or Dachau .... in Germany you would be put in jail for saying something like this....
I probably know more about Auschwitz, and to a lesser extent, Dachau, than most people. Holocaust deniers are deluded at best and mendacious at worst, but their speech should be protected. Their claims should be aired - exposed to the light of day and public scrutiny. Let them make asses of themselves, rather than giving their ramblings the mystique of a secret truth by trying to suppress them.
People like them would have been considered political outliers in Nazi Germany, and perhaps even prosecuted for treason because they spoke against the state.
The hatred you need to worry about ~ the stuff that drove killers in Nazi Germany ~ is a lot more subtle. It looks a lot like such modern rhetoric as: We dont hate gays, BUT their agitation for equal rights is destroying the family and further weakening our economy. OR We wouldnt hate gays if most of them werent pedophiles.
You should allow them to have their preaching nonsense and just realize how absurd they are and ignore them and do your best to stop the indoctrination of their poor children who have to waste their lives preaching lies (I hold the same view about the children of all the religions)
"This is for those who condemn the members of Westboro Baptist Church -- and especially for those who only started with their hatred after the WBC began picketing the funerals of soldiers who died in Iraq."
That's because the picketing is unethical and only causes more anguish to the mourning families. WBC isn't trying to save anyone. They're just provoking people and thus warrant the hate. Protesting is fine, but what they're doing is malicious and appalling.
It's not WMG's fault. Some assclown who disagreed with this video likely lagged it as a copyright issue. When that happens, YouTube has to act. Thats why this video got the silent treatment when there's a bzillion others on here with copyrighted content that didnt get partially nuked.
Dee Snider has actually stood up for free speech in the past.
That sux. Next thing you know they'll be flagging my grandma's video of her baby ducks paddling in the kiddy pool due to Charlie Daniels "Uneasy Rider" playing in the background!
you're right. the WBC has been a bunch of closetted hillbillie homosexuals for years before EVERYONE finally got tired of seeing them. hooray for you. by the way, god spoke to me yesterday and he says he doesn't know who you are but you sound like a waste of life.
Actually I'm not using it as an insult at all. I have no problem with homosexuals at all. I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy by saying that you're all homosexuals but you're hiding it with hate. THAT is the insult. It was also kind of a joke. I think you're probably just dumb hillbillies. Nice try though. I see "reading" and "thinking" isn't YOUR strong suit. Sorry hillbillie. Take a few years of school before you try and talk to normal people again. Hahahaha.
You're jumping to a lot of silly conclusions that have no basis in fact, especially about the origin of this video which you likely failed to watch all the way through. Maybe if you went to the website itself, instead of merely shooting off your exceptionally big mouth, youd see that Im not a member of their group; that I dont have a problem with homosexuals; and that this video is about defending their right to picket even while opposing their stance.
Does abusing free speech really help spread the gospel? I know homos are condemned in Corinthians, but telling them that the way WBC does isn't going to help them turn from their sin. All it will do is make the world hate Christians more than it does already.
I think of all the types Ive encountered through this project, I hate yours most of all. Youre a fence-sitting hypocrite who wont stand up for gay rights because homosexuality is against the Bible but you also wont present a conspicuous testimony of what you believe is Gods standard, merely because people might be offended. You think God needs your soft speech to "win souls"? Either stand up for civil rights or stand against them, but get off the damn fence either way.
Psalm 711 wrote: WBC and other street preachers will define these broad road Christians and the lukewarm. We will lose a big chunk of our freedom of speech thanks to the homos and ADL because the libs will make it a crime to criticize homos just like in Canada and other countries that hate free speech and embrace fascism.
Sorry Psalm 7:11: I accidentally nuked your comment. Feel free to post it again. At any rate, the "homos" are among the most supportive of my project to defend free speech. And you'll never guess what country I'm posting from.
There probably is no God. There probably is no Satan. There probably is no Heaven or Hell.
Now just get on with your lives, enjoy yourself while it last because there is no way to know whats on the other side of death so just worry about enjoying this life and hey if there is a Heaven thats a bonus but its not likely.
WBC does what the other churches (leper colonies) SHOULD have been doing years ago. Rebuking the mainstream hypocrites and pedophile pastors and priests!
I first learned of WBC when they protested at Maria Lauterbach's funeral. She is from my hometown of Vandalia, OH. They came to MY hometown and protested, do you know how sickening it is to see your hometown all over the news with these worthless pieces of crap and their stupid signs everywhere? I am insulted that these "people" are even a part of my species. I can't wait to see these people in hell
The media showed WBC to us for the first time. We werent going to discover them individualy on our own. Just because the soldiers funerals are what made the media bring it to us the first time doesnt mean we dont care about their earlier crimes. All of their funeral picketting etc is equally wrong. Soldiers and gays funerals deserve the same respect. Im sure im not the only one. Come on, who agrees with me?! Equality for all WBC's victims not just the soldiers.
Come on Losah, I honestly doubt that America agrees with WBC on the picketting of funeral for gays/people with AIDS. I think that it only recieved publicity because of soldiers funerals, the media thought that it would be more interesting. We didnt see the gay funeral pickets in person and ignore them. We arent all in Kansas. I discovered WBC through the media. Picketting soldiers and gays funerals are equally wrong. Im sure most people know that. Come on, who agrees with me?!
Its hard to listen to the preaching of the minister's daughter when shes a sinner herself. She has an illegitimate child. She says Jesus died for her sins when confronted with this, but does that mean Jesus didn't die for the troops who apparently are sinners too?
I don't think it's fair to criticize a whole religion because of those crazy people that go too far. Granted, there are some areas that are hazy but the overall message of the Christian religion is to love your neighbors and lead a peaceful life. I believe that to be the purpose of most religions including the Islam, Judaism, Buddhism etc. But I agree, they shouldn't be going around doing what they're doing because they are hypocrites. Fred Phelps really messed up his family...
holy dumb fuck. The only thing that could possibly be stupider than either going to that church or their protests, or believing that crap, is defending them.
MaskedLosah since you are defending Fred Phelps are you going to joined WBC's picketing of Militiary Funerals? What do you think of the Patriot Guard Riders? Since they are Anti-WBC.
TBearM1776 8 months ago
@TBearM1776 - I'm defending WBC's free speech; that doesn't mean I agree with it. So no, I won't be picketing funerals. I think the PGRs are well within their rights to counter-protest WBC activities.
MaskedLosah 8 months ago
trolololololololol. way to troll man
Fuzzbutt922 10 months ago
MASKEDLOSAH=VICHY
TBearM1776 10 months ago
TBearM1776=MORON
MaskedLosah 10 months ago
MaskedLosah=Vikum Quisling. to the liberals, to the Conservatives, to the Religous Right, to the Anti-War Left, To the New York Times you defend Westboro's sick acts i.e. picketing at military funerals and othe sick acts YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A QUSILING BASDARDS. THE VETS, LGBTS, VICTIMS OF 9/11 ETC WOULD NEVER FOGIVE NOR FORGET THIS QUISLING ACT
TBearM1776 10 months ago
WBC certainly has free speech rights, but so do I. So do the Patriot Guard Riders. So does everyone else. Why, then, are you complaining about those of us who voice our dissent toward that so-called Christian church? Why the double-standard, MaskedLosah?
cincyblows 11 months ago
@cincyblows - I'm not complaining because people speak out; I'm complaining because it took them so damned long. The WBC has been picketing for 20 years, and for half that time, they confined their funeral protests to people who died from AIDS or to known homosexuals. It was only when they started picketing soldiers and other 'heroes' that a wide swath of hypocrites came out of the wood-work to whine about 'community decency standards.' (If it's not universal, then it's not a "standard.")
MaskedLosah 11 months ago
@MaskedLosah Oh, ok. So the only right answer is to hate people in the name of God, right? Since Jesus died on the cross for EVERYONE'S sins, how about you stop being so self-righteous? Or are you only applauding wbc because they (failingly) validate your own hate?
cincyblows 11 months ago
@cincyblows - My first instinct here is to not even answer your nonsense - but I'll try again, anyway: Did you actually watch the video through, or go to the website (where pro-gay organizations are listed prominently on the sidebar of every page)? My guess would be you didn't. How about you go do that before you criticize me for "hating" or mischaracterize what I've posted here as "applauding the WBC."
MaskedLosah 11 months ago
I defend Westboro Baptist Church for a different reason. They live in a church commune, study the Bible like a law book, and go around the country for this their skydad. Call them what you want, they are Christian. And compared to the average, I believe they are the more honest (albiet repulsive) Christian. To me they highlight why secularization makes societies more ethical, and that's important.
As for funerals, people should have a right to privacy. Yelling fire in a theater material, IMO.
andid 1 year ago
How is it unconstitutional to keep them at a certain distance from said target? I'm genuinely curious. There is nothing wrong with requesting that they stay, for instance, 500 feet or so from the funeral area so as to allow for some privacy for the mourners. We need not always have a strict libertarian position on everything in the Bill of Rights. And personally, I would have no problem with this rule being extended to other protests, i.e. those of abortion clinics.
SuburbanAcres 1 year ago
@SuburbanAcres - 500 feet isn't 'out of earshot.' Just FYI, but the WBC picketers were *a thousand* feet from the funeral of Matthew Snyder (whose father 's suit is now being decided by SCOTUS). There are three key freedoms, all in the First Amendment, that need to be considered here: Speech, peaceable assembly, and religious belief. Telling WBC that they can't protest in the general vicinity of a funeral, on the same public thoroughfare that hosts the PGR (for example), violates all three.
MaskedLosah 1 year ago
have you ever been to a funeral of a friend or family member? Self discipline or not... it's a fucked up thing to hold up those signs 'insulting' your friend/family member etc...
Just no.
EllEiEllE 1 year ago
@EllEiEllE - Of course I have - and there's still no such thing as a right *not* to be offended. Just...no.
MaskedLosah 1 year ago
@MaskedLosah that's not my point at all. There might not be a right not to be offended but... you still don't do it. Ever heard of moral?
EllEiEllE 1 year ago
@EllEiEllE - No matter how many people try, or how many ways it's attempted, there is no way to legislate morality beyond the bare minimum required to keep society running (e.g., laws against murder or theft). We can only deal with the fact of free speech when talking about whether WBC is allowed to picket or not. Whether members' actions are "moral" or not has no bearing on the discussion.
If you're really concerned about morality, then see that you live an upright life.
MaskedLosah 1 year ago
Did I seriously read that you think the Westboro Baptist Cult is MORE LOVING than most others?
What particular strain of ganja did you smoke before making this video, and how much of it?
SuburbanAcres 1 year ago
@SuburbanAcres - If you believe in a literal, eternal hell, as many Christians claim, then the only proper response is to spend all day, every day warning people about it. Failing to do that is also failing to love your neighbor.
MaskedLosah 1 year ago
@MaskedLosah "the only proper response is to spend all day, every day warning people about it. Failing to do that is also failing to love your neighbor."
What do you base this upon? Let me guess: the Phelps' interpretation of Leviticus 19:17-18, right?
SuburbanAcres 1 year ago
Do Fred Phelps and his "congregation" (term used loosely) have the right to free speech, meaning the right to say pretty much whatever they want? Absolutely. But they are NOT entitled vis-a-vis the Constitution a "right to be heard," that is to say a right to have others listen to their disgusting message. This is why I cannot wrap my mind around people who rail against the funeral restriction laws saying "but they're out of earshot!" Screw that.
SuburbanAcres 1 year ago
@SuburbanAcres - You do not have a constitutional right not to be offended. WBC members do have a constitutional right to peacefully assemble and protest in public. If you don't like their message, IGNORE them. It's that simple. All it takes is a teeny bit of self-discipline on your part.
MaskedLosah 1 year ago
@MaskedLosah Re-read my comment, friend. Where did I say anything about having a right to not be offended? I work in retail; people offend me all the time and I deal with it. All I said was that despite having a right to speak, they do not have a right to be heard. I have heard some, notably the ACLU, say that the funeral restriction laws are somehow unconstitutional because they put the Phelpses "out of earshot." That's like me calling you and asshole and saying you have no right to walk away.
SuburbanAcres 1 year ago
@SuburbanAcres - Members have a right to stand on public thoroughfares where they can be heard and seen. Forcing picketers to stay out of earshot of their targets is unconstitutional - and a bad idea, too, if you consider what such a rule would mean for political protesters of every sort.
No one is being forced to actually listen to what they're saying. People can walk away from the protesters and onto private property or into a building, or they can simply *ignore* them.
MaskedLosah 1 year ago
@MaskedLosah One more thing: If the Constitution protects such speech/actions as you say, then the door must surely swing the other way. What do I mean by that? Several friends and I are planning on taking a road trip up to Topeka this summer. Our purpose? To stand outside the Westboro Baptist Church building with protest signs of our own. Counter-protests, as well intentioned as they may be, do nothing in the end. Let's see how they respond to someone else striking first, so to speak.
SuburbanAcres 1 year ago
@SuburbanAcres - I'm pretty sure it has been done before, protesting near the WBC; but I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to take a crack at it. Just be sure to call the Topeka police department and announce your intentions so that you're within the law when you picket. (WBC actually informs local authorities ahead of time to avoid accidentally breaching some point of law that could get picketers either sued or arrested.)
MaskedLosah 1 year ago
Are you retarded?
SpartanElite095 1 year ago
Westboro Baptist Church is full of WHITE NIGGERS.
Pingascore 1 year ago
Free speech is one thing, trespassing on the lives of others is something else.
Bifrons 1 year ago
@Bifrons: When I see someone out and about scantily clad, hocking loogies all over the sidewalk, and swearing like a drunken sailor, I think she's "trespassing on my life." She has that right, however, because the streets belong to everyone and not just me. If you don't like how people use their legally-protected freedom of expression, then don't look. You don't have a right *not* to be offended.
MaskedLosah 1 year ago
@MaskedLosah Do the loogies hit you or were they meant to hit you? If no, then it's not personal and you should get over it. If someone does something mean-spirited to spite you, then it's personal. When I goto pay my respects to someone and these guys are there saying hateful things about them, me and everyone else there, It's personal. Good thing I was in a vehicle and they were not allowed anywhere close to the service. They were like flies that went out of their way to cause pain.
Bifrons 1 year ago
@Bifrons: They picket 40 times a week. Mean-spirited comments roll off their tongues as a matter of habit. You can choose to take it personally, and use your hurt feelings to justify trying to strip them of their legal right to free speech, assembly, and religious practice, or you can accept that putting up with their activities is part of the price everyone has to pay for freedom.
MaskedLosah 1 year ago 6
@MaskedLosah Hey man what happens if you put the song "Burn in Hell" back on your video?
Wapitdownthehatchguy 1 year ago
@Wapitdownthehatchguy - No clue. I'm not terribly worried about it one way or another. The message is out there regardless of sound-track.
MaskedLosah 1 year ago
@MaskedLosah actually, ml, we do have the right to not be offended. in fact, we are free to choose not to be offended ever second of ever day of your life. what we do not have the right to, is to blame someone else, and make them suffer for our choice. i will watch that same person walk down that same street, and not take offense, unless i have fallen into hate and ignorance, and chosen to be offended. indeed, being offended is truly ones own malady – take care not to inflict it upon others.
mgklclstlmn 1 year ago
...Freedom of speech includes the freedom to ridicule others for making a mockery of free speech.
Yes, they should be allowed to protest, but I should also be allowed to counter their arguments, surround them peacefully and block out their protest, or drown them out with noise
Destroyer220 1 year ago
i don't see how you can believe a book written by humans with a bunch of bull in it. Have fun with your fairy tale.
And gods a sinner himself so i hate him
LivedRevoDog 1 year ago
really your going to defend these worthless assholes?
AnarchisticAttitude 1 year ago
I still hate that damn church xD
PatatoesChips 1 year ago
@PatatoesChips : I hear you, my friend. Those people are about as far from Christian as you can get.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
You at the WBC claim to be speaking for God, when the only ones your really speaking for is yourselfs. YOU hate Fags, YOU hate "Sin". But who would listen to a few nutjobs standing on a street corner spewing hate? So you needed a gimmick, something that could make your hate seem somewhat legitimate, that's when you found God.
The WBC is a sad joke, and I can't wait until that vile Phelps (and his offspring) are dead and gone.
GodSpark127 1 year ago
The problem with your arguments is that your thinking that we all believe in the same crap you do. I'm a spiritual person, but I realize that religion was simply a way to explain the unexplained, and control the masses long ago.
(continued above)
GodSpark127 1 year ago
@GodSpark127 -- You didn't watch the video, I see. Until you do, there's nothing for us to discuss.
MaskedLosah 1 year ago
So you have done no wrong? What would you do if your brother or sister died in 9/11 and they were picketing at his/her funeral? Would you just be like "oh, i should treat them nicely, i mean, i could end up in hell if i speak out against them", no, you would want to murder them. So dont tell us that you cant do no wrong and blame everybody else.
vampyfan2 1 year ago
this is why religion fucks stuff up. all of these people are so wrapped up in hating gay people and arguing that they dont even take the time to do what jesus would do. love people.
MegaHungrybear 1 year ago
MaskedLosah, are you a Christian? If so I would like the chance to address the Westboro's ministry with you in a civil way.
Westboro were hate-mongering false prophets to begin with. The actions of those who oppose them have nothing to do with how their behavior has gotten so severe.
Noel08Blueheart 1 year ago
@Noel08Blueheart
The WBC were only one among dozens of Christian groups who protested at the funerals of dead homosexuals and AIDs sufferers.
It was only after they started picketing at soldier's funerals (who are this nations' precious little idols) that the "Christians" of America started giving a damn, and paid any media attention to the WBC.
Nobody cared about their "hate-mongering" ministry until they started targeting non-gays and other Christians. Get out of here.
MattressGallery 1 year ago
guess what. fuck you. im a fag and im happy about it. ive got friends in the army. good for them. fuck you and fuck those inbread wbc bitches
balloonsrfun2122 2 years ago 12
Did you actually watch the video? Oh, why am I even bothering to ask, when the answer is so obvious?
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
@balloonsrfun2122 Well... obviously you didn't actually watch the video and read what he said, otherwise your fag ass would actually agree with the pathetic nature of so much of the protesting of the WBC. The Patriot Guard Riders, I respect their group immensely, however, did they do the same thing for the families of gay men and women who were introduced to the sight of the WBC at their childrens funeral? Did people really care or notice?
glafna 1 year ago
@balloonsrfun2122
i'm not a fag, but i'm an enabler
Mikeybetts 1 year ago
@Mikeybetts: It's safe to assume you didn't actually *watch* this video, since you think I actually give a rat's ass whether you're a homosexual or merely a supporter of equal rights for homosexuals.
MaskedLosah 1 year ago
I had this long logical argument planned out, and I wanted to start a legitimate debate here, but I realized you're just not worth the time. Your claims are farcical at best. Go peddle your contempt somewhere else.
Arrow370 2 years ago
Yeah - you had such great arguments that you decided not to present them, choosing instead to hurl weak insults. Something tells me I'm not missing much in being denied access to the treasures of your intellect. And, just FYI, I can "peddle my contempt" in any public forum I damned-well please. That's called "freedom."
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
we are not a perfect people.... neither are the chirch phonies...*we* hate as humans we ar enot perfect.... but things must b said against them... people must take a stand.... what they are doing is no longer having anything 2 do with christianity.... its about evil a false church being lead by no better then a demon him self... ur not just wrong if u suport them your litteraly insaine...
LostBelowLife 2 years ago
First of all, I think you should go to the website and look at my reasons for supporting their rights. Secondly, while I view the Bible and Christianity differently than they do, their position is mostly in line with commonly accepted orthodoxy. Your hyperbolic descriptions of them are wrong on so many levels.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
Someone find me a verse in the Bible that says "God hates _____"
If someone can find me a verse in the Bible that says that, and a verse where Jesus expresses hate for anyone, I will renounce my faith.
xobrentox 2 years ago
Psalm 5:5-6, Psalm 11:5, Malachi 1:3, Proverbs 6:16-19, Hosea 9:15 - and that's just for starters. Be sure to duck Luke 14:26 and all that hell-talk Jesus did.
Sorry, dude, but you should read the Bible every once in awhile if you're going to profess a belief in Jesus.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
Luke 14 is a parable told by Jesus about attending a banquet, and how people should humble themselves that they may be exalted. He's telling people to lose all self-image and righteousness.
Jesus doesn't mention hell once in chapter 14 of Luke, and it also doesn't say "Jesus hates ____" or "God hates ____"
All the other books you mention are old testament books, which have nothing to do with Jesus.
xobrentox 2 years ago
The Old Testament doesn't talk about the attributes of God? Jesus' mentions of a hell for people who don't follow a certain path don't bespeak hatred?
The Old Testament is just as important as the New Testament. Don't disregard it. Read it.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
And the text of Luke 14:26 is pretty clear: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
Oh, and what about Romans 9:13?
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
Oh. So, you DO hate your mom and dad right?? And your siblings?? Cause if not, you can't be a Christian.
You're taking the passage out of its context to try and make it support your hatred.
The Old Testament books are all written by different authors from different places and different times, thousands of years apart. The Bible wasn't put together until the year 330. It lacks a unified message, and taken at nothing but face value, it contradicts itself.
xobrentox 2 years ago
I don't, no - but then, I'm not a literalist. Your claim was false, though; the Bible does talk about God's hate.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
IF you are not in fact a literalist, than I would suggest you should try and get to the deeper meaning behind many of the things Jesus says, including the story in Luke. When taken exclusively at face value, many parts of the Bible are contradictory, and one can find support for just about anything in its words.
Also, the character of God is very different in various texts, especially in the Old Testament.
You should read books of the Bible in their entirety, not just passages.
xobrentox 2 years ago
If you read the Bible in its entirety, God is still a hateful and vindictive character.
MaskedLosah is NOT a literalist Christian, and is in fact supportive of gay rights. Don't get confused here.
What the WBC believes matches the Bible more closely than anything the moderate or Conservative Christians in America believe today. It's a fact. You haven't refuted anything she's said so far.
How can you miss the fact that God hates people throughout the Bible?
MattressGallery 1 year ago
"What the WBC believes matches the Bible more closely than anything the moderate or Conservative Christians in America believe today"
Absolutely.
They are despicable, nasty, evil people,
but their behaviour is quite consistent
with the attitudes and requirements of God
as depicted in the Bible.
"I also will laugh at your calamity;
I will mock when your fear cometh" Says YHVH
Proverbs 1:26
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@xobrentox
LOL, How can you possibly believe the Old Testament has nothing to do with Jesus? You know he and the apostles quote it constantly throughout the New Testament? You haven't read the Bible once in your life, have you?
MattressGallery 1 year ago
Beautiful and perfect. Your viewpoint is the best to be found on this subject.
Frelsun1234 2 years ago
The WBC only picketed fag parades and fag funerals until the Government began a broader campaign to legalize the fag lifestyle, and to impede the preaching of God's word against it. At that point, the WBC began picketing military funerals too, because in their view, a nation that condones the fag lifestyle with its laws is equally guilty in the eyes of God. America is proud of its abominable sins, so God is cursing America.
I can't disagree with Fred's logic.
MaryWaterton 2 years ago
You know I NEVER thought about it in this regard but its true, and as a gay man it hits home.
NOONE GAVE A DAMN when Westboro was protesting the funeral of AIDS victims or Matthew Shepard. Now they are going after the soldiers funerals and everyone is in an uproar.
Not excusing their actions in any form, but you should think about who you are as a person if you once supported their cause and now you dont.
odessyrcr589 2 years ago
However - hating these people would only aggravate the problem : the followers would only be even more convinced in their beliefs !
What you should do is simply ignore them. And when Fred Sr Phelps dies, the church would fall and all of his mess with him. WBC won't survive the death of the Guru.
Please don't make a martyr out of Fred Phelps Sr, it would only make things worse !
lapkine77 2 years ago
*Ahem*
The main reason why WBC hates everything is mostly because of Fred Phelps Sr. He was beating his kids, mind washed them and made bad things at school so his kids would be ill-seen and proving that the hateful pastor was right.
WBC aren't christians to teach hate. Fred did horrible things, that is for sure. Disgracing funerals, ignoring dignity...it's plain disgusting. They are completely living out of the teachings of Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for their sins !!!
lapkine77 2 years ago
just a comment, i think people are doomed beyond salvation , to tell you the truth
RULI1974 2 years ago
NOT ALL JUST WBC
dude249 2 years ago
You have a serious problem if you think you, a mere mortal, can tell when anyone is doomed beyond hope of salvation. (And before anyone responds, yes, I think WBC members have a serious problem.)
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
read scripture everything they say is what God has ordained.. they are actually trying to save your sorry asses.
marcomisplaced 2 years ago
Phred gets his justification from the bible. And it's there. All this proves is the bible is a vile, evil, deplorable bit of fiction that some ppl have been brainwashed into believing. All you've shown is that they are media whores. They didn't get enough attention with what they were doing so they upped the ante. They're nothing but a bunch of neurotic, brainwashed, attention whores.
TheStrangeRanger 2 years ago
You miss the dangerous lesson taught by their fanaticism - but hey, at least you got to vent your spleen, so it's not a total waste.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
>You miss the dangerous lesson taught by their fanaticism
Hmm. That;s rather dubious. But OK. Please tell me then - what is the dangerous lesson I miss?
TheStrangeRanger 2 years ago
...that the majority of people - some of whom claimed to believe as you do - allowed the WBC to get this out of hand by feeding their egos through poorly executed counter-protests, by entrenching their persecution complex through unconstitutional laws (or worse, through criminal activity), or by supporting their anti-gay nonsense (at least until they started picketing military funerals).
And all YOU got out of this video is "they're media whores" and "the Bible sucks." Pfft.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
Actually I knew all that without your pedantic harangue. It's common knowledge. But at least you got to vent your spleen, so it's not a total waste.
TheStrangeRanger 2 years ago
Yes, and at least you get to express your unearned sense of superiority, so it's all good.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
The irony is palpable.
TheStrangeRanger 2 years ago
I don't feel or think I'm superior to you. I just think you missed the point. I also checked out your personal YouTube page; and I make it a policy never to argue seriously with someone who *knows he's right.*
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
The point is obvious. You like to act pedantic to bolster your unearned sense of superiority. The attention whores at wbc are a perfect vehicle for it. It's all chicken scratching. Furthermore you missed my point while you hypocritically come off as one who "knows he's right."
TheStrangeRanger 2 years ago
I think you came here for an argument, and are sorely disappointed I didn't latch on to your ' the bible is a vile, evil, deplorable bit of fiction' whine. You like the idea of "shredding people's fantasies" and are throwing a hissy fit because I'm not playing along. I also think you're a fanatic of a different sort, and all the more hypocritical because you dare bitch about the WBC. If you dont like my videos, and find them too pedestrian for yur high-brow tastes, then leave.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
Hilarious you think you didn't argue. Also too funny you callimg me a fanatic. Oh the irony. lol. I don't find your videos to be pedestrian. They don't attain that lofty goal. Rather I have to wonder why they allow computers in a mental institution.
Seriously -.are you defending free speech or religious dogma? Do you even know?
TheStrangeRanger 2 years ago
I'm defending free speech; I don't agree with their dogma. And yes, you are a fanatic - and with a nice, shiny mirror at that. Your entire personal page is a testament to it.
And now, I think I've wasted enough of my time. Ill keep posting your funnies. You're welcome to post on my wall, as well - but this will be my last response. Jerks get old, fast.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
Calling me a fanatic with a shiny mirror is the height of hypocrisy. Turn the mirror on yourself. I actually defend their right to say what they want. I think they are great proof of how vile religion is. Your videos are vapid and illusory. They don't make your point worth a damn. BTW - I bet you can't let me have the last word. Even though you said you would. Assclowns like you are transparent.
TheStrangeRanger 2 years ago
To whoever made this video (sorry i cant adress your name because you seem to be hiding it),
As a strait christian, my opinion (accually its a fact now) is that your protest group is simply barbaric. There isnt many other ways to put it. God would be ashamed to see someone wishing death upon innocent people. That's right, innocent. They havn't sinned in any way according to the REAL words in the bible. So, I would appreciate if you would message me with a response, then we can talk more.
pallypvpftw 2 years ago
1) My legal name is plastered all over the referenced website.
2) Lern 2 spel
3) I'm not a member of the WBC (and if you had gone to my website, you'd already know this).
4) I'm not messaging you. You're welcome to post here, though.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
Just wanted a mature conversation.. i guess all i ask is stop the violence
pallypvpftw 2 years ago
What violence?
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
I've seen the videos, beating up homosexual people, i know a lot of gay people that happen to be really nice
pallypvpftw 2 years ago
WTF? The WBC *protests*...you know, with signs and jingles. I defy you to post even one video of them beating up on gays.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
I fucking hate the westboro baptist church. They think that 9/11 was a good act...I think that the whole of WBC should die a painful death for that. Wankers.
XtremelyPointless 2 years ago
They should die because they say things you don't like, but you still think 9/11 - an act carried out by Islamic extremists who believed pretty much the same about speech - is a bad thing. There's a contradiction here.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
9/11 was a terrorist attack and they thought it was good. What does that suggest? It makes them as low as a terrorist. Muslim is an excuse for mindless killing by extremists, they are not muslim at all.
XtremelyPointless 2 years ago
I'm talking about YOU - the similarities between you and the Muslim extremists who believe that offensive Western media" and "offensive Western style" and offensive Western speech" and "offensive Western economics and policies" are each, in themselves, an acceptable reason to kill people. YOU also believe extreme differences in speech and custom are sufficient justification for killing people.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
suck my cock.
XtremelyPointless 2 years ago
Truth hurts, doesn't it?
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
i didnt even read ur thing cos ur a sick bastard. but really, suck it
XtremelyPointless 2 years ago
Someone needs a hug.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
SUCK MA BALLS BITCH, i cant even remember wot this is even about anymore!
XtremelyPointless 2 years ago
as an atheist i have no problem kicking the shit out of them... i believe in values and what they do is mental abuse which at times can be worse than physical abuse. show up to a funeral around long island and ill go to jail for assault. it would be worth it.
jmeyerhead 2 years ago
Then you don't value your own freedom or that of others. That's nothing to brag about.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
i dont believe in the freedom to hurt innocent people
jmeyerhead 2 years ago
Sticks and stones will break my bones, but...People can ignore the WBC. In fact, if they'd done that consistently, starting years ago, then this wouldn't be a problem today. No need for legislation against Freedom of Speech.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
hard to ignore them when they picket funerals, i dont have any problem with their demonstrations elsewhere
jmeyerhead 2 years ago
@MaskedLosah I agree with the laws prohibiting them protesting close to ANY funeral or memorial service. I don't care if the law was way overdue or what it took to get it in place. The important thing is that it's here and all states should follow suit. They have around 70 members and over 80% of those are family. Eventually, they will die off. Four of phelps kids escaped years ago. If we just ignore the WBC, they will go away. They are pests at best.
Bifrons 1 year ago
Very evocative video, I agree almost wholeheartedly, hating people who hate is foolish, but as is tolerating intolerance... the WBC just show how bad and damaging religion/imaginary friends can be... we do not need it for our morals, we do not need it for explanation, to quote Christopher Hitchens: "Religion poisons everything," I think the world would be a far better place with out it,
but either way, sending death threats to the wbc is complete hypocrisy.
sanethoughtspreader 2 years ago
Maskedlosah, WBC are totally out of touch with reality and they're delusional! They go to the funerals of fallen soldiers waving signs that say Thank god for dead soldiers and other disgusting things, and we should respect them! They don't deserve to respected!
DanteLacey21 2 years ago
Maskedlosah, These people are totally out of touch with reality. Any group who spews the kind of hate and filth that these people spew don't deserve respect.
DanteLacey21 2 years ago
It is wrong to protest at any funaral. this is a time of greef for loved ones. If you do not like the war protest the government , not the men and women of the forces that keep you free.
hellavadeal 2 years ago
Never laughed better ..... "I found them intelligent, nice, kind people; they were very hospitable to me" ... as long as you aren't black, asian, jewish, a REAL christian, a muslim, hindu, buddhist, amish ... I could go one with that list for some time....
Defending people who say the Holocaust was a miniscule !? Please visit Auschwitz or Dachau .... in Germany you would be put in jail for saying something like this....
wimpous 3 years ago
I probably know more about Auschwitz, and to a lesser extent, Dachau, than most people. Holocaust deniers are deluded at best and mendacious at worst, but their speech should be protected. Their claims should be aired - exposed to the light of day and public scrutiny. Let them make asses of themselves, rather than giving their ramblings the mystique of a secret truth by trying to suppress them.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
Then why you defend them ? The whole thing with the Holocaust was caused by intollerant and hateful retards like them ...
They spurn the land which gives them their freedom of speech ...
Seriously .. those people should be collected of the street and should be put in jail ...
wimpous 3 years ago
People like them would have been considered political outliers in Nazi Germany, and perhaps even prosecuted for treason because they spoke against the state.
The hatred you need to worry about ~ the stuff that drove killers in Nazi Germany ~ is a lot more subtle. It looks a lot like such modern rhetoric as: We dont hate gays, BUT their agitation for equal rights is destroying the family and further weakening our economy. OR We wouldnt hate gays if most of them werent pedophiles.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
You should allow them to have their preaching nonsense and just realize how absurd they are and ignore them and do your best to stop the indoctrination of their poor children who have to waste their lives preaching lies (I hold the same view about the children of all the religions)
sanethoughtspreader 2 years ago
you seem to have neglected the obvious...HOMOSEXUALS
sanethoughtspreader 2 years ago
"This is for those who condemn the members of Westboro Baptist Church -- and especially for those who only started with their hatred after the WBC began picketing the funerals of soldiers who died in Iraq."
That's because the picketing is unethical and only causes more anguish to the mourning families. WBC isn't trying to save anyone. They're just provoking people and thus warrant the hate. Protesting is fine, but what they're doing is malicious and appalling.
Drevvo 3 years ago 5
WMG = gayness
TwistedLight75 3 years ago
I hope you are being deliberately ironic, or you are a moron.
sanethoughtspreader 2 years ago
Oh, gee, and here I was hoping you'd think I'm cool.
MaskedLosah 2 years ago
lol, nice video though.
sanethoughtspreader 2 years ago
WMG got a hair up their ass or what?
TwistedLight75 3 years ago
It's not WMG's fault. Some assclown who disagreed with this video likely lagged it as a copyright issue. When that happens, YouTube has to act. Thats why this video got the silent treatment when there's a bzillion others on here with copyrighted content that didnt get partially nuked.
Dee Snider has actually stood up for free speech in the past.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
Whoever flagged it needs the belt upside their crotch!
TwistedLight75 3 years ago
That sux. Next thing you know they'll be flagging my grandma's video of her baby ducks paddling in the kiddy pool due to Charlie Daniels "Uneasy Rider" playing in the background!
TwistedLight75 3 years ago
you're right. the WBC has been a bunch of closetted hillbillie homosexuals for years before EVERYONE finally got tired of seeing them. hooray for you. by the way, god spoke to me yesterday and he says he doesn't know who you are but you sound like a waste of life.
CaptnHampton22 3 years ago
You're using the term "homosexual" as an insult, even while bitching about WBC members. Self-awareness isn't your strong suit, I see.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
Actually I'm not using it as an insult at all. I have no problem with homosexuals at all. I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy by saying that you're all homosexuals but you're hiding it with hate. THAT is the insult. It was also kind of a joke. I think you're probably just dumb hillbillies. Nice try though. I see "reading" and "thinking" isn't YOUR strong suit. Sorry hillbillie. Take a few years of school before you try and talk to normal people again. Hahahaha.
CaptnHampton22 3 years ago
You're jumping to a lot of silly conclusions that have no basis in fact, especially about the origin of this video which you likely failed to watch all the way through. Maybe if you went to the website itself, instead of merely shooting off your exceptionally big mouth, youd see that Im not a member of their group; that I dont have a problem with homosexuals; and that this video is about defending their right to picket even while opposing their stance.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
Your insulting hillbilles! They deserve better than these WBC brainwashed idiots.
ducati135 3 years ago
so someone dies to keep you alive and u think its write to picket at their funeral... its just not.
theirs no god anyway.
originalevil666 3 years ago
1) Learn to spell.
2) Learn to read!
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
1) i can spell im on the internet so i don't care
2) atleast i can unlike others
originalevil666 3 years ago
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iluvbuickgnx 3 years ago
Does abusing free speech really help spread the gospel? I know homos are condemned in Corinthians, but telling them that the way WBC does isn't going to help them turn from their sin. All it will do is make the world hate Christians more than it does already.
iluvbuickgnx 3 years ago
I think of all the types Ive encountered through this project, I hate yours most of all. Youre a fence-sitting hypocrite who wont stand up for gay rights because homosexuality is against the Bible but you also wont present a conspicuous testimony of what you believe is Gods standard, merely because people might be offended. You think God needs your soft speech to "win souls"? Either stand up for civil rights or stand against them, but get off the damn fence either way.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
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iluvbuickgnx 3 years ago
Psalm 711 wrote: WBC and other street preachers will define these broad road Christians and the lukewarm. We will lose a big chunk of our freedom of speech thanks to the homos and ADL because the libs will make it a crime to criticize homos just like in Canada and other countries that hate free speech and embrace fascism.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
Sorry Psalm 7:11: I accidentally nuked your comment. Feel free to post it again. At any rate, the "homos" are among the most supportive of my project to defend free speech. And you'll never guess what country I'm posting from.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
There probably is no God. There probably is no Satan. There probably is no Heaven or Hell.
Now just get on with your lives, enjoy yourself while it last because there is no way to know whats on the other side of death so just worry about enjoying this life and hey if there is a Heaven thats a bonus but its not likely.
AngryDaven 3 years ago
WBC does what the other churches (leper colonies) SHOULD have been doing years ago. Rebuking the mainstream hypocrites and pedophile pastors and priests!
TwistedLight75 3 years ago
I first learned of WBC when they protested at Maria Lauterbach's funeral. She is from my hometown of Vandalia, OH. They came to MY hometown and protested, do you know how sickening it is to see your hometown all over the news with these worthless pieces of crap and their stupid signs everywhere? I am insulted that these "people" are even a part of my species. I can't wait to see these people in hell
TashaBug 3 years ago
You think they'll be accompanying you in hell? :|
TwistedLight75 3 years ago
The media showed WBC to us for the first time. We werent going to discover them individualy on our own. Just because the soldiers funerals are what made the media bring it to us the first time doesnt mean we dont care about their earlier crimes. All of their funeral picketting etc is equally wrong. Soldiers and gays funerals deserve the same respect. Im sure im not the only one. Come on, who agrees with me?! Equality for all WBC's victims not just the soldiers.
ShrapnelSong 3 years ago
Come on Losah, I honestly doubt that America agrees with WBC on the picketting of funeral for gays/people with AIDS. I think that it only recieved publicity because of soldiers funerals, the media thought that it would be more interesting. We didnt see the gay funeral pickets in person and ignore them. We arent all in Kansas. I discovered WBC through the media. Picketting soldiers and gays funerals are equally wrong. Im sure most people know that. Come on, who agrees with me?!
ShrapnelSong 3 years ago
you are a moron. Congrats
TashaBug 3 years ago
And you can finally spell at a fifth-grade level. Congrats!
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
Wow, Losah. Spoken like a true WBC follower. I'll be praying for your ignorant soul. ;D
cheeriosNchex 3 years ago
I'm not a "WBC follower." Alas, it seems your reading comprehension has yet to reach the aforementioned fifth-grade level.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
Makes you want to shove a truck load of picket signs up his ass. :|
TwistedLight75 3 years ago
it's the church of hate.
IntellectualConcepts 3 years ago
Its the church YOU hate!
TwistedLight75 3 years ago
Its hard to listen to the preaching of the minister's daughter when shes a sinner herself. She has an illegitimate child. She says Jesus died for her sins when confronted with this, but does that mean Jesus didn't die for the troops who apparently are sinners too?
alenfahennia 3 years ago
the wbc are just uneducated bastards who just have nothing better to do, they just want attention. screw their stupid god. he can kiss my ass
whitehawk38 3 years ago 3
I don't think it's fair to criticize a whole religion because of those crazy people that go too far. Granted, there are some areas that are hazy but the overall message of the Christian religion is to love your neighbors and lead a peaceful life. I believe that to be the purpose of most religions including the Islam, Judaism, Buddhism etc. But I agree, they shouldn't be going around doing what they're doing because they are hypocrites. Fred Phelps really messed up his family...
LueTian 3 years ago
Here, here!
Nunnie2009 3 years ago
holy dumb fuck. The only thing that could possibly be stupider than either going to that church or their protests, or believing that crap, is defending them.
Hey poster, go play in traffic.
IronFox102 3 years ago
Yes, because defending free speech is, like, soooo stupid. Grab a brain.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
In my opinion free speech should be a privilege, and should not be abused. Enjoy your aids.
IronFox102 3 years ago
Since you have no concept of what a right is, it's a good thing your opinion doesn't count for shit. Enjoy your ignorance.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
Since you're obviously a close minded fascist, enjoy your fail.
IronFox102 3 years ago
Since you believe someone who defends the basic rights of others is the same as a fascist, enjoy *your* fail.
MaskedLosah 3 years ago
Free country, remember?
IronFox102 3 years ago