@dauradet90 I always assumed talking was allowed, just that most preferred not to, and would ignore most attempts to strike up a conversation. In any even this discussion seems important enough to warrant breaking that taboo... but by its very nature shouldn't be something they'd discuss openly in front of other members. Mycroft and Cantlemere should've retired to a private room for it.
@Kooshmeister3 "Save in the Stranger's Room, no talking is, under any circumstances, allowed, and three offences, if brought to the notice of the committee, render the talker liable to expulsion. My brother was one of the founders, and I have myself found it a very soothing atmosphere."
Amazing, the man with the moustache is played by the dandy husband in the Miss Marple film "Murder at the gallop" from 1963. I wouldn't have recognized his face, but the voice: unaltered!
So Holmes can't go anywhere without the permission of the Prime Minister? Interesting story line. And a war can start over a diamond? Huh? So they have a stone behind a piece of glass whose theft could start a war? No guards or anything? This should be interesting.
@Songsmirth I know it doesnt make sence, but dont blame Holmes!!! This episode is nothing like the book, I you really want to laugh you should read it.
That music at 5:36 -- I'm thinking that could be Mycroft's theme. It sounds like the Sherlock Holmes theme only heavier and stuffier -- and that's Mycroft all around!
I miss Sherlock. Poor Jeremy, so ill that he couldn't work. But Mycroft is awesome!
I love the dialogue between Horatio and Mycroft at the beginning, with the music playing over the top you really get the feel that Mycroft is ready to show everyone that he's every bit as good as his younger brother. I also love the scenes where Watson and Mycroft are working together, and Sherlock's message of congratulation for Mycroft at the end. Really well thought out episode given how it could have ended up without the main character.
The scene with James Villiers here has an interesting parallel with the 007 pic For Your Eyes Only. His scene is to facilitate the appearance of Mycroft Holmes taking over. James Villiers himself took over as the Chief of Staff when Bernard Lee was too ill to film For Your Eyes Only. Curiously, Kim Newman reconciles the characters of Mycroft Holmes and M in his Anno Dracula novels...
Hey I found this movie on 97 m ov ie s. c o m, and you guys are right, it was GREAT! I love not having to pay for movies and being able to see hits like this one!
I love movies like this that really explore the full range of the characters. This is by far one of the best I have seen in a long time! Seeing it for free was even better! 9 7 m o v i e s. c o m love being able to watch on my schedule!
I miss already too, BlackCat, but Mycroft and Watson are magnificent and deserve their own episode. And Emily and Agnes need their own spinoff series.
My favorite episode with Mycroft is "The Golden Pince-Nez". Is it just me, or does Charles Gray really add a wonderful dimension to that character? Gray injects Mycroft with a colorful personality.....in the books, as brilliant as he is, Mycroft comes across as rather dull (Doyle possibly wrote him as such to emphasize his indolence) but Gray gives him a certain spark that I love. Great stuff!
but the dea of microft taking on a case is out f character. mycroft never left the diogenes club exceppt tp the turkish bath or hoe. doyle was very clear on that. if a problem could no be solved from his chair he'd reffer it to sherlock.
True. But Conan Doyle showed us so little of Mycroft. I think it's clear in this instance that Mycroft took on the case because first, it was extremely important in an international sense; and second, he couldn't dump it on his brother.
I strongly suspect the Holmes is away to deal with his cocaine habit. Personally, I think Holmes took cocaine not for fun, but as an attempt at self-medication. His lack of appetite, mood swings, etc. suggest clinical depression.
True, the producers had to improvise because Brett wasn't well, so the writers came up with a way to explain Holmes's absence. I think it's clear in the opening sequence that Holmes is taking a rest cure, most likely from his addiction.
As you well pointed out, there was no "12 step rehab" back then. Mental illnesses such as depression were likely seen as moral weakness, thus Holmes resorted to self-medication.
Aha, so this is that episode I've been hearing about--when Brett is so ill he can't act in this episode, and they make Mycroft the hero... he does look worse than in any other episode here. Even the last one he did, the cardboard box--he looks healthier than he does here! Such a shame. Brett was a genius. I wish he'd stayed healthy to do every single holmes tale.
@DarqRemake I think even Conan Doyle might have admitted somewhere that Mycroft was cleverer than Holmes, I mean Sherlock. Unfortunately, lovely Mycroft is too lazy to get up and do anything he prefers being a man of leisure the great lazy great bloke. Still, he springs into action when he is needed!
I'm feeling so lost by the beginning: Sherlock will not be taking part in this episode? But what than will happen? Or will Sherlock make this episode on his own? What is goinig to his head to leave Bakerstreet to itself and just leave like that?
I can't help but thinking that it was a neccesary handling of Granada and this was the beginning of the way down of Jeremy Bretts health...??
Tell me what the "Ghost" is! Let me follow you to the highlands! Ah!
CocoOPNY 2 months ago
So terribly brave of jeremy brett to struggle through this final series. But perhaps they should have called a halt long before it came to this?
CliffTheMeerkat 4 months ago
How dare to speak at the Diogenes Club?!
dauradet90 7 months ago 2
OMG!
Are they talking?! In the Diogenes Club?! TALKING?!
dauradet90 9 months ago
@dauradet90 I always assumed talking was allowed, just that most preferred not to, and would ignore most attempts to strike up a conversation. In any even this discussion seems important enough to warrant breaking that taboo... but by its very nature shouldn't be something they'd discuss openly in front of other members. Mycroft and Cantlemere should've retired to a private room for it.
Kooshmeister3 9 months ago
@Kooshmeister3 "Save in the Stranger's Room, no talking is, under any circumstances, allowed, and three offences, if brought to the notice of the committee, render the talker liable to expulsion. My brother was one of the founders, and I have myself found it a very soothing atmosphere."
urmo345 8 months ago
@dauradet90 i wondered it too...what a sacrilege!
urmo345 8 months ago
shadow oh Holmes on wall at 0.35 reminded me of basil rathbone.
hangawara 11 months ago
Thank you so much! This is wonderful! All of them! :)
kandyspots 1 year ago
mycroft was said to be eight years olderthen ho,mes. holmes looks to be in about his forties. why does mycroft look like he's sixty-seven
GlassCtiy 1 year ago
So they combined "The Mazarin Stone" and "The Three Garridebs."
Lyrictheac 1 year ago
Third eye !! Holmes the seer and mystic !!
irfand4 1 year ago
i SHALL be watching... With my 3rd eye!" HAHAHAHA LOL to FUNNY!<3;):D
Yankeez001 1 year ago
Oh P.S. it's great how everyone calls Mycroft by his first name in this.
catherinespark 1 year ago
Love the patriotic theme! It comes up whenever the prime minister and country are mentioned!
catherinespark 1 year ago
Amazing, the man with the moustache is played by the dandy husband in the Miss Marple film "Murder at the gallop" from 1963. I wouldn't have recognized his face, but the voice: unaltered!
silverbud 1 year ago
So Holmes can't go anywhere without the permission of the Prime Minister? Interesting story line. And a war can start over a diamond? Huh? So they have a stone behind a piece of glass whose theft could start a war? No guards or anything? This should be interesting.
Songsmirth 1 year ago
@Songsmirth I know it doesnt make sence, but dont blame Holmes!!! This episode is nothing like the book, I you really want to laugh you should read it.
mimi6619 1 year ago
Jeremy Brett is amazing! Poor man, you can tell he is ill, but he is the best Holmes ever! RIP Mr. Brett you are missed, thank you!
DunadanRanger95 1 year ago
I would have thrown those arrogant women out on their ass.
ibtnm25 1 year ago
Currently there is a petition to get Jeremy Brett awarded a posthumous Bafta. Look at "posthumous Bafta for Jeremy Brett" on facebook
Frenchaccro 1 year ago
That music at 5:36 -- I'm thinking that could be Mycroft's theme. It sounds like the Sherlock Holmes theme only heavier and stuffier -- and that's Mycroft all around!
I miss Sherlock. Poor Jeremy, so ill that he couldn't work. But Mycroft is awesome!
Imverycute2 1 year ago
MMMMMMMMMMM I SO love James Villiers!
BarnabasFrid 1 year ago
what was Jeremy Bretts last performance as Sherlock Holmes?
c4xpert 1 year ago
@c4xpert
The Second Stain, I think.
dryadStone 1 year ago
@dryadStone Thank you!
c4xpert 1 year ago
@c4xpert The last episode of the show,"The Cardboard Box"
digikate813 1 year ago
Jeremy brett suits best as Sherlock Holmes
samrock2010 1 year ago 5
I love the dialogue between Horatio and Mycroft at the beginning, with the music playing over the top you really get the feel that Mycroft is ready to show everyone that he's every bit as good as his younger brother. I also love the scenes where Watson and Mycroft are working together, and Sherlock's message of congratulation for Mycroft at the end. Really well thought out episode given how it could have ended up without the main character.
Raeyven76 1 year ago
ladies quote on the way out "he's not as intelligent as i thought he'd be" LOL!
blaster2012 2 years ago
The scene with James Villiers here has an interesting parallel with the 007 pic For Your Eyes Only. His scene is to facilitate the appearance of Mycroft Holmes taking over. James Villiers himself took over as the Chief of Staff when Bernard Lee was too ill to film For Your Eyes Only. Curiously, Kim Newman reconciles the characters of Mycroft Holmes and M in his Anno Dracula novels...
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rixezoqoryxes 2 years ago
*pouts* i already miss brett...
IIIXBlackxCatXIII 2 years ago 7
I miss already too, BlackCat, but Mycroft and Watson are magnificent and deserve their own episode. And Emily and Agnes need their own spinoff series.
thesanantoniokid 1 year ago
At 1.00 doesn't Jerermy Brett look ill? He is wearing about a foot of make-up too. Poor man.
randomdave30 2 years ago
Jeremy!
Chakotaysmack 2 years ago
crazy old ladies, i love it!
Chakotaysmack 2 years ago
My favorite episode with Mycroft is "The Golden Pince-Nez". Is it just me, or does Charles Gray really add a wonderful dimension to that character? Gray injects Mycroft with a colorful personality.....in the books, as brilliant as he is, Mycroft comes across as rather dull (Doyle possibly wrote him as such to emphasize his indolence) but Gray gives him a certain spark that I love. Great stuff!
LordCrump666 2 years ago 5
but the dea of microft taking on a case is out f character. mycroft never left the diogenes club exceppt tp the turkish bath or hoe. doyle was very clear on that. if a problem could no be solved from his chair he'd reffer it to sherlock.
wadyano 2 years ago
True. But Conan Doyle showed us so little of Mycroft. I think it's clear in this instance that Mycroft took on the case because first, it was extremely important in an international sense; and second, he couldn't dump it on his brother.
I strongly suspect the Holmes is away to deal with his cocaine habit. Personally, I think Holmes took cocaine not for fun, but as an attempt at self-medication. His lack of appetite, mood swings, etc. suggest clinical depression.
TheKulu42 2 years ago
he was away cuz the actor was sickz. they didn't have 12 step rehab back then
wadyano 2 years ago
True, the producers had to improvise because Brett wasn't well, so the writers came up with a way to explain Holmes's absence. I think it's clear in the opening sequence that Holmes is taking a rest cure, most likely from his addiction.
As you well pointed out, there was no "12 step rehab" back then. Mental illnesses such as depression were likely seen as moral weakness, thus Holmes resorted to self-medication.
TheKulu42 2 years ago 3
Charles Gray was Flippin' ACE!!!
randomdave30 2 years ago
Mycroft into action!
randomdave30 2 years ago
my sister and I are most particular about..my sister and I ...oh,,,i love that....
Seymourir 2 years ago 3
Aha, so this is that episode I've been hearing about--when Brett is so ill he can't act in this episode, and they make Mycroft the hero... he does look worse than in any other episode here. Even the last one he did, the cardboard box--he looks healthier than he does here! Such a shame. Brett was a genius. I wish he'd stayed healthy to do every single holmes tale.
KingofStarfox 2 years ago 5
@KingofStarfox i agree
Chakotaysmack 2 years ago
omg I love Mycroft! he is great. ♥
DarqRemake 2 years ago 21
@DarqRemake I think even Conan Doyle might have admitted somewhere that Mycroft was cleverer than Holmes, I mean Sherlock. Unfortunately, lovely Mycroft is too lazy to get up and do anything he prefers being a man of leisure the great lazy great bloke. Still, he springs into action when he is needed!
randomdave30 1 year ago 3
Good grief, Jeremy's face looks terrible here. This was one of the very later episodes, wasn't it?
Shangas 2 years ago
I'm feeling so lost by the beginning: Sherlock will not be taking part in this episode? But what than will happen? Or will Sherlock make this episode on his own? What is goinig to his head to leave Bakerstreet to itself and just leave like that?
I can't help but thinking that it was a neccesary handling of Granada and this was the beginning of the way down of Jeremy Bretts health...??
yamifannetje 2 years ago
poor watson
flormarplay 2 years ago 2
Poor Breet he doesn't look well here..a wonderful actor the world is worse without him
skydancinghobbit 2 years ago 33
omg! 8:52 was WEIRD! 0_0
mistydreamz 2 years ago 8
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Thrusted2 2 years ago
Thanks for uploading this - my DVR malfunctioned when I was out of town and I missed all the repeats!!
VelvetVixen21 2 years ago
Is it just me or does all of these types of cases usually have a catastrophic result if not found?
changingowl10 2 years ago
true it would be funny if one time they were like "if it isnt found within 24 hours we will be very annoyed and write you an angry letter"
AJSZodiac 2 years ago 3
But then again it wouldn't be very urgent. But still that motive was over used.
changingowl10 2 years ago
@AJSZodiac
That's really cute, AJSZodiac! You gave me a real chuckle here! I'm all fer puttin' a smile on...Thanks!
//^_^\\ yay!
evernetherall 2 years ago
@changingowl10 Well yeah!
It wouldn't be any fun if there wasn't a disastourous circumstance.
digikate813 1 year ago
@digikate813
It was still overused. :D
changingowl10 1 year ago