beware everybody with an opinion!!!! no-one ever puts up proof, just talking head videos such as the one for shinobi soldiers ect............... unconvincing
for my money the system of ninjitsu as taught by hatsumi provides ample techniques for stealth, espionage and infiltration........ there is even hypnosis ect
generally it is the unbalanced teachings that let it all down and lead to confusion.
if i was to spy somehwere bujinkan would be what id use to avoid a fight, or to win.
if you want to, you can easily check the facts shared in the Shinobi Soldiers series by reading the historical ninjutsu manuals that i mentioned, Bansenshukai, Ninpiden, Shoninki....
there is ALSO the FACT that i remain on the same side as the foremost budo, and especially KObudo experts, the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai and the N. Kobudo Kyokai.. which both say ninjutsu has never included a martial art component.
how about u watch Dean(scottbaioisdead)'s friend buffons vids.
@Arteanor :. as stated publicly nearly everywhere most ninja were samurai; thats where the combat comes into it. maybe im just missing a piece of the puzzle and not understanding the points. i always understood that the mental aspects of ninjutsu were what gave people the ability to influence situations.
all up i see our dialogue as placing an emphasis differently, thats about it.
im simply talking about the principles of movement. forgive if my vocab was wrong
@Arteanor i'm not defending or supporting anything in my comment there, i'm asking you what point there is with you arguing, cause that's all i ever see you do on here. Noone is going to have the last word, there will always be a comeback or retaliation, you'll never come to a point or convince anyone to your ideas or opinions unless they want too. Btw you never answered my question exept with another question...
did you think you were in some way going to do something to prevent me "getting away with it" are you truly that deficient of reason that you must threaten violence over the internet simply because you cannot respond adequately to the skeptical claim.
get over yourself there kiddo, you need to take a step back. and go re check your definitions and knowledge of ninjutsu...
TSOAS2008 has a GREAT series doing an investigation into Togakure ryu 'ninjutsu'
@Arteanor about the getting away with it, i'm just saying the internet is much safer for ppl like you because there is no risk for you. I've seen this guys videos before, i've seen you reccomend him in almost every bujinkan video i've seen. He might be right. But whether he is or not, I know for a fact that the bujinkan teaches practical useful techniques and skills that can be used in REAL life threatening situations and that's all that's really important...to me anyways
"about the getting away with it, i'm just saying the internet is much safer for ppl like you because there is no risk for you." you ASSUME that i would change my words in your presence? i have no fear of you, and if you want to swing because i can show your art to be based on lies, then you will explain that to the police. AFTER i kick your ass.
"I've seen this guys videos before, i've seen you reccomend him in almost every bujinkan video i've seen"
"@Arteanor is it that you think it's fun just throwing out your opinions and challenging ppl and not being held accountable for them?"
i find it ironic that you are arguing here where you can continually ignore the challenge that was raised....
this is NOT a matter of opinions... this is a matter of verifiable historical facts.
IF YOU have some wondrous historical evidence for ninjutsu being or containing martial arts, or for togakure ryu please share it with us. not opinions.
i really think that the kata in ninjitsu give you an insight as to how the general concepts should be applied. actually for a long while i thought that how you use the kata in a real fight would be different,now i realise that ninjitsu dosent teach any specific moves as its open ended, all the moves can link up. i thought vid was a good demo of a basic kata. stylisticaly my instructor prefers more injurious blocks. this kata opens up some kihon happo grappling as well
@proteagrower to qualify my specific moves comment, there is a big difference between say tkd and ninjitsu in how one is taught to apply the techniques. im taught a any technique any height level any angle application. one day i'll do it lol
"there is a big difference between say tkd and ninjitsu i"
duh, one is a martial art... the other is a word used by fakes and frauds to hide the real origins of the schools of fighting arts being taught....
if i told you that " making tea" was a deadly martial art... and showed you a Krav Maga guy wailing on a guy... would it make it any different than you claiming this video is ninjuts as me claiming the KM is really "making tea"???
@Arteanor: dont spam. i simply recognise some of the moves and see the principles behind them. i dont think you have any understanding of the principles of movement; your analogy make no sense given the context; in fact you quite possibly are high as you read this. also i was encouraging discussion on the use of the ninjitsu kata (san shin) but whatever..
i really dont care where these techniques came from, i enjoy learning them regardless
There's a reason why this combat in real life would fail, fighting is instinctive, you can't perform this because it is only a kata, you have to device a way to make it work as an auto response, that is the whole point of kata. One would be stupid enough to try this in real time combat because people react differently in a REAL fight.
@AntiHero12109 I don't do tae kwon do and I do have much respect with any martial arts, just that a kata is a kata. As with all katas, the principles are for muscle memory but following the precise steps in a kata during a real fight is not applicable, that's all. I don't really care if you practice several martial arts, the basis is the person, not the art. You're quick with your typing skills, but you lack the intellect.
@boma357 this video is just a deminstration, they aren't telling you or anyone to "following the precise steps in a kata during a real fight" and it's youtube, i have no respect for kids who leave dumb comments, you want enlightenment, go watch kung fu panda or something.
@AntiHero12109 I'm not a kid either, you lack the discipline, probably lack even more than that, but hey, you chose to be a smart-ass and a know-it-all. "Ask for your money back because you obviously know nothing". Who's the kid again? The demonstration precedes the learning. How is "demonstrating" not applicable in a real fight? Quit contradicting yourself. If anyone is a kid here, it's you. You can't even come up with a proper explanation without saying something stupid.
@boma357 I didn't read a single thing you just said after seeing the first line. If you won't listen to what i'm really saying, i won't listen to you at all, because for someone who talks so much, you don't say anything of value.
your movement is to slow ive practiced this art for a year and i know that the ''you throw a puntch and leave it there'' method is fake therefore you are fake you are a discrase to my art.
This is a Kata. That means it has an unchangeable form. You can take key elements out of it, but it surely does not claim any sense in a real fight if you want to apply the form. There are always differences in how people move or especially in a real fight how they attack. If you're good enough you can use the key elements of all katas etc. you know.
Posting bullsh*** like you did is a disgrace to anyone who practises ninjutsu.
the speed of the move needs 2 b faster and the the moves isnt practicle cause in a real fight u dont have that m,uch time 2 execute the move, i no the speed is 4 a demo, but really all of those move 4 a simple effect
In a real life situation you actually have more time then your realize just because your in a fight doesn't mean time speeds up it just seems that way because of the adrenaline dump you experience same as tunnel vision and audio exclusion. Like I Kage said in the comments below the true lesson is how to move the body in unison with as little as possible delay in your reaction
whats important from the kata is that the whole body moves in unison to strike. in a serious situation you are not going to move in such an exaggerated way, but keeping the "feeling" as hatsumi would say of moving your body in unison. watch this guy's movement and think about where the body weight is concentrated. both of those strikes has his full body weight in it.
try out some of the strikes on yourself. the first strike is a shuto or chop to the inside of the arm, ideally the wrist. nd strike is a boshiken or thumb strike in the armpit, but ribs, the side, all those are targets
I rather street fight than think of this over and over my head
Its not a perfect combo
And hitting the pressure point at the armpit is NOT easy, ive tried it many times
Because an arm is extended at you, if you dont hit it correctly or their arm is just in your way. They will just need to backhand you or hook you down
This is dumb - Its just so much easier to parry the punch, slip, shell up, etc... His left foot moves back to far, and drops his left to his waist then punches. This takes too much time. Any experienced fighter would have thrown a barrage of punches, kicks, knees or elbows.
very true... this 3rd degree is taking classes at my school formerly at a "traditional" school... so when we spar we still cant get him to ki'up right nor keep his hands up lol.
Sure stay with it! Any Martial art is better then no martial art 99% of the time. Akido is a great art and teaches alot of good principles. Dont get discouraged either that your learning "slow" I always tell my students when the time is right it will all click together, and if you didnt have trouble with the techniques even after a few months then you probably should look for a different school. There would be no need for you to stay if you already can do everything they are teaching.
when you can actually train and learn the technique and or movements then comment. Watching video's really dont give you the knowledge to talk about any martial art and their techniques.
he blocks by stepping backward, then he steps forward to counter. mechanically speaking, it's just less efficient to change momentum like that.
the points he strikes are all very good for pressure, and his sweeps/throws are well balanced. however, the way the video is filmed makes his movements look wasteful of energy
all this is a traditional kata from one of our ryu-ha's the changing direction is from a defensive mind set where your not really ready for a punch to be thrown. So when it is and your surprised you MOVE. Most of your martial art schools teach to stand in the same spot and attempt to block the punch in the Bujinkan we worry more about moving your body as one unit the lesson to be taught from this isn't the punch defense its all the underlying principles that you can't see from a video
"our ryu-ha" really? 34 soke? that predates the start of ninjutsu... so why arent you calling it what your teachers claim it to be? bujinkan doesnt claim to be a ha of a ryu... it claims to be the parent ryu ... why do you think the 34 generation densho got laughed out of the koryu society meetings???
just wondering... do u know the name Ueno Takashi? might wanna do some research on him... seeing as he is the successor of takamatsu who kicked hatsumi out of the dojo.
Ueno Takashi was never a successor to Takamatsu. He was one of Takamatsu's students and was Hatsumi sensei's instructor also it was Ueno Sensei who was 1st to teach Hatsumi Sensei Shiden Fudo Ryu and to give him Menkyo Kaiden in Shinden Fudo Ryu. Hatsumi is reported to have also been taught Koto Ryu from Ueno. On a side note Ueno Takashi also trained with and taught the reputed Koga Ninja Fujita Seiko bridging a gap between the two factions.
im sorry but what? did you really just say that Ueno taught Fujita?
funny that your story contradicts with the genbukan's story of the events.... not that i think they are any more reputable...
and how do you explain hatsumi being denied entry into the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai ?? i hope its better than some i have heard, ( he wore the wrong tie.. ROFL).
@rab877 Well, that is mainly because moving does cost time. And in this kata at least, I am not sure what gives you the time frame to execute the technique after evading the attack. I could only think of uke being sure that he got you and then being surprised he didn't. But for that to work, you would have to evade in the very veeery last moment and uke would have to be quite confident.
Or that isn't a secure block there, but a strike to a nerve point. Maybe that could also buy you time.
Final example then I will close. If you go to school to be a doctor of family medicine and complete that course of study then are put into a war zone to act as a field medic even though your knowledge might be greater then the average medic chances are your reaction to the situation for which you havent prepared for will cause you to fail due to the fact you havent experienced or trained for pratice in a war zone.
I wish only the people that actually knew what they were talking about spoke. So before you comment about ninjutsu (or anything else), please take a moment to consider your own credentials.
i beg to differ, karate, wu shu and a whole pile of other martial arts were influenced by ninjutsu, i've studied many martial arts and i would say Ninjutsu is by far the most effective, due to the fact that you could be a 4.5ft man against a 7.5ft man and still win, due to the use of anatomy and using the opponents body againtst him.
@mine1324 your doing all the mystical fantasy martial arts the ones that matter are the grappling ones and muay thai everything else is just a bunch a guys standing around doing kata , you cant learn how to fight from kata lol no one throws a punch like that . It all BULLSHIDO my friend stop goingt o mcdojo's
Taijutsu historically is not necessarily part of a ninja style. Ninja are part of the samurai class, and ninjutsu is their job within that class. They used various styles of empty-hand combat, and there are very few weapons used exclusively by ninja. If you study ninjutsu according to its own texts (bansenshukai, shoninki, etc.), it's understood to be a form of Heiho "military strategy") and not a martial art per se.
Yes it is ninjitsu, but Mads comment isnt without merrit. You will find that Ninjitsu is a baby compared to other japanese combat arts and has its origins in Karate, Kempo, Jujitsu and other unarmed martial techniques. The modern ninja in a black mask throwing smoke bombs and using hand seals is a far cry from the reality of what a ninja really was. Please dont think im denouncing ninjitsu, or saying your comment is wholy wrong.
yeah. those of us that study ninjutsu dont run around in all black and wear facemasks. We do stealth training on occassion but its not really our main focus its more along the lines of "im learning this not to fight but so i can be able to go home at the end of the day" never claim anyones way is the RIGHT way or the WRONG way. It's simply THEIR way.
Well don't believe me? If you don't believe just because their isn't any "proof" then theres others who know already and you have to find out with ur own knowledge. Another its not my job to do anything. Why would I waste my time to try to prove to just one person. And last why tell me what I need proof when you haven't actually proven anything either? I rest my case I'm done with you. Say whatever you want.....
You have good points on the subject, but have missed the whole truth. While Ninjitsu is a baby compared to most japanese combat arts, its origins lie in aspects of Karate, kenpo, jujitsu. etc etc. it is these martial aspects that would be more influenced from outside ideals especially during the 1500's where you can see a heavy chinese influx into the culture . Claims of "pirates" are completely unfounded im afraid, most of the sword arts are without a doubt based on the japanese sword arts.
what I mean by pirate fighting is thw footwork. You know how the art of ninjutsu relies on the footwork rocking back and forth? More of the footwork not the swordsmanship.....
Ninjutsu predates Karate by many hundreds of years. Karate is is fairly mordern art having being founded in Okinawa in the early to mid 1800's depending on lineage and never really reached the Japanese Main land untill the 1920's Kenpo is another name for Karate. Jujutsu is the proper spelling and depends on what ryu as to if it predates Ninjutsu or not. The technique that is being displayed is from the Bujinkan group and comes from Koto Ryu Koppojutsu
Koto Ryu really doesnt mean breaking or smashing bones. Its meaning is more or less about breaking your attackers body structure (taking their balance) with your strikes. So think loosely transleted Koto Ryu Koppojutsu means to knock down the tiger by breaking its structrual intergerity. This Seto being shown here isnt from the densho though normally its done from right single lapel grab, but that doesnt really matter the beauty of the Bujinkan is its ability to be taylored to someones own ideas
actually karate has pretty old origin from older okinawan martial arts and those coming from china, as a matter of fact a fairly large amount of karate katas are derivations of weapons techniques that involved from swords to smaller kodachi even knives. so do the bo katas in karate, I dont understand why so many ninjutsu students who hasnt even entered a karate dojo feel liek they know everything about karate from wikipedia.
and TKD/Tang Soo Do focus more on sport and point fighting then actual real life self protection drills not to say that Karate cant or isnt effective it can be and is IF the practioner/teacher train and teach with the right attitude.
I am sorry I dont mean any offence by this but what I say is true watching all 17 bujinkan students i have met so far, not a whole lot of respect for the other martial arts without knowing or parcticing any of them. and they have a knack for targetting specifically karate schools, and all three time they were invited to a karate dojo they performed rather poorly against our students, though we still treated them rather cordially and respectfuly .
I have no disrespect towards karate and I know that the basis for the okinawa systems came from older styles and from china. In the terms of modern Karate though ex. Shotokan Gojo and so on they are modern being created into a named system in the early to mid 1800's.
I havent trained in Karate formally but I'm an avid collector of MA vid's on history and technique some of which are on different Karate systems. I did train for several years in Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do along with breif training Hapkido Krav Maga Jujitsu and Kali. Currently I continue my Bujinkan Training which I have been a student of for about 13 yrs and Also I am studing Akido. I'm not being disrepectful towards Karate but from my limited knowledge the schools here in the US for Karate
i hope people will perhaps take a more civilized and respectable aproach in future, we're all brothers training to better ourselves and the world we live in right? a martial artist should have no time for disrespect.
we all know for every martial art there are both mindblowing practitioners and apauling amatures who teach all the methods and teachings wrong and basically know nothing of them. i have yet to see an entire martial art that is in any way bad though i have encountered many insultingly bad teachers.form what i have seen there are no bad arts only bad students and poor or corrupt teachers....
ive trained in ninjutsu for years and this is some of the worst i have ever seen. a poor example. i think people make rash hard and fast rules about how good a martial art is based on youtube videos should try it out with a real teacher and see...
that is just a demonstration so you can see whats your supposed to do, if its a real fight it would have been fast and smoothly (if you know the technique ofcourse). and its usefull no doubt there.
Has nothing to do with that. Watch the timing of his arm contact with his stepping. Also his movements are too big. Fights don't happen that far away.
No, fights dont but this isnt a real fight (not saying you dont know) the timing of the arm is actually not that bad, the way he hits him with the arm may stun it (if its hit correctly) ofcourse the bad guy would attack again, and the good guy does open up his defence to much by using his right arm, im not saying he does a good job presuming he would do the exact thing during a real fight, but again its just a demonstration, not a good one but nor that bad either.
If it's a demo all the more reason the mechanics should be correct. He's treating his limbs like ballistic projectiles. He's falling into his steps. He doesn't shift his weight he falls with it. I don't know that's just my 2 cents. I'm not saying i'm any better, I just had a very traditional pre communist regime teacher in martial arts and had great emphasis on the physical mechanics of things. There are some things which all martial arts must have to be good for fighting regardless of name.
Masaaki Hatsumi is the man sitting atop the moneymaking con that is ninja. You can not see this as you have invested heavily into the sideshow already.
The videos posted of him here are less than impressive. Its no better than watching george dillman's dim mak lunacy.
people criticizing ninjutsu are the idiots who pretend to be martial artists either because they are very dumb and think they're right or because they don't want to admit they know as much about martial arts as a rock, as I keep saying because they are stubborn and refuse to admit they are wrong
Wow, you must not be a good martial artist then. Because every good martial artist knows that, every style has their strengths and weaknesses. It depends on what level your at with the martial art. With you saying this style has no chance with your muay thai, lets see you say that to Stephen K. Hayes or Hatsumi Masaaki.
ive seen what ninjutsu is about and its not even a real martial art.. more a like a ninja death art.. for samurais.. atleast that is said in most videos.. still..
Dude its a martial art. How? Its derived from shaolin kung fu, and pirate fighting. Theres some other art involved with it but I cannot think of it at the moment. But its an martial art.
A martial art is simply the art of fighting, theres no need of fancy movement if it dosent have any usefull effect. plus ninjutsu is used to take out your foe fast with limp breaking nerve striking (as seen here(and believe me or not if you hit right there it numbs your arm, and hurt like hell)) locks and tactical attacks of the organs. And that is just a demonstration so you can see whats your supposed to do, if its a real fight it would have been fast and smoothly.
Well I'm done. If you don't believe me maybe you will if you do some research down the line. But I know for a fact where I got it from is true. Ninjutsu is derived from many different martial arts with part of its foot movement like a pirate because they had to fight on a ship too. But hey if you don't believe me, theres nothing more for me to say...
To be honest, you don't have any proof either. You talk as if your a truth machine. Like everything you say is right and everything I say is wrong. Some of the sword play and footwork is derived from pirates. The hand to hand art is derived from Kalari payat (Indian martial art) and some Shaolin Kung Fu styles. Like I said its derived from different martial arts and combined into one
Where is your evidence that the sword play is derived from pirates?
Because that's just stupid.
The sword play is straight Kenjutsu. Where did you get the idea it had ANYTHING to do with pirates? For that matter, what pirates do you mean?
Also, Ninjutsu in no way descended from Shaolin Kung Fu.
The whole fantasy of Shaolin being the origin of all martial arts is simply false. As for the Indian martial art, I wouldn't know about that. It's possible, as India has a far more extensive history.
No wonder "ninja's" are worthless fighters. If you tried this crap on someone resisting you would get beaten every time. Try this with a non-compliant partner and see what I'm talking about.
who even says the word "nerd" anymore.whatta you stuck in 1984.you faggit,,ill smak the fuk outta u guaranteed..self proclaimed tuff guy..i aint no nerd my dude,bring it you deep throater,,,your a troatbag--
i train mma,,and i still see ninjutsu as a useful art form,are you one those bar room brawelers who takes mma now n thinks there a fighter.>? or you just an asshole->? or both>?
no see you take the time to think about it, talk about it, do it in slow motion....and then the cycle repeats. but you skip the, actually doing it part, and people like me who wrestled and train mma laugh cause its funny to hear you try and understand the technique without training it at a competitive level. its funny, ha ha ha, look at the nerds have their weird contrived conversation about a technique they dont realize has been refined by years of competition. let them go on and har har har
un puñetazo no es algo ordenado, recto, lento, perfecto, que empieza inmóvil y termina inmóvil, que se lanza dando un paso y con todo el peso del cuerpo detrás. yo no he visto a nadie que ataque así, y no creo que el ninjutsu deba plantearse contra ese tipo de golpes. Otra cosa ¿15º Dan? ¿Un español? ¡Venga ya, hombre, nos están tomando el pelo a cambio de nuestro dinero!
why do you all start meaningless fights over different martial arts? most of us are pracitioners and we should be working together to unite our styles for the greater knowledge of future generations.
Everyone has different beliefs and styles, no one person is correct. Please there is more fighting in words than in practice. Agree to disagree or give CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.
unslat,i respect your opinion,end im a fighter as well,i used to train some kind of marcial art,even ninjutsu,but i took from them technique that i can really use,im not lieing to myself,the problem is not in the ninjutsu,kung fu,or whatever...but in peaple who still bealive that kind of technique is usefull,end is not,ninjutsu is created for war,like in the real life,end trust me,in the real word,u never ever gonna be stricken like that,did u get me?
uuuh, no. i dont get u. need to use plain english, jeje. anyways, ya, bruce lees philosophies all the way! use what works, drop what doesnt. its all up to u. btw, some of these techniques are incredibly useful if u use some on the spot angling and offensive defense
i know nobody would throw a punch like that but this is the basic u learn with the basic start small and easy. 1+1=2 is basic 2 u dont start with kwantum mechanics in 1th grade. my point again is dont know about it dont nag about it.
it's not effective,as we can see the striker punch with the right hand,while the "ninja" make his tecnique he let his jaw expose...easy to stop with just a simple left punch...
Ninjutsu is a 1000 year old martial art. the ninja kicked samurai ass 700 year long so i think its effective.this movie is made just to show u what ninjutsu has to offer. and i have used my ninjutsu in a couple of fight and those fight didnt last very long.
u might think im just some macho trying to be tough i dont care just dont critisise ninjutsu if u dont know shit agout it. ty
Listen guys I've seen several people get into fist fights and yea most of the time people get so angry they throw these lame swinging punches they don't fight like boxers they fight like morons swinging there arms so yea this technique done at a faster speed does work.
lmao yea like anyone will throw this weird punch in a real fight and keeps standing still after it, i DO get that this is simple training BUT you dont learn SHIT from this kind of training.
full contact SPARRING is what REALLY gives training effect, choreographed stuff like THIS is ONLY to get money from fools who want to be a *niiinjaaa*
umm. ninjutsu must be smart?? its only been around 1,000 years. actualy its only a basic gata shown here to demonstrate basic principles. 1st is evasion as seen here. personaly i would have done this technique a litlle different, but thats the beauty of Bujinkan ninjutsu. its adaptive and up to the individual to use as he sees fit in the situation. if you dont think ninjutsu works, find any Bujinkan school and ask any senior practioner there to be his/her UKE for awhlie.
minute 0:28 HAHAHA !
rolingol 1 month ago
at 0:12 seconds look at uke's left fist and where it is aimed at. weak kamae.
68chino83 3 months ago
guy on left doesn't maintain kamae , thats all im gonna say
68chino83 3 months ago
Your Taijutsu and Taihenjutsu is slow and weak. You should train basics more.
blutravenisme 5 months ago
morans -.-
Dreameatertv 8 months ago
The Japanese does not think Ninjutu to be a martial art.
The Japanese recognizes that martial arts and Ninjutu are different.
It is the people who do not know Ninjya to think Ninjutu to be a martial art.
Even with a Japanese child, Ninjutu understands that it is not a martial art.
taihuu25go 1 year ago
What a JOKE!
delgerbileg 1 year ago
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mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
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mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
beware everybody with an opinion!!!! no-one ever puts up proof, just talking head videos such as the one for shinobi soldiers ect............... unconvincing
for my money the system of ninjitsu as taught by hatsumi provides ample techniques for stealth, espionage and infiltration........ there is even hypnosis ect
generally it is the unbalanced teachings that let it all down and lead to confusion.
if i was to spy somehwere bujinkan would be what id use to avoid a fight, or to win.
proteagrower 1 year ago
@proteagrower
if you want to, you can easily check the facts shared in the Shinobi Soldiers series by reading the historical ninjutsu manuals that i mentioned, Bansenshukai, Ninpiden, Shoninki....
there is ALSO the FACT that i remain on the same side as the foremost budo, and especially KObudo experts, the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai and the N. Kobudo Kyokai.. which both say ninjutsu has never included a martial art component.
how about u watch Dean(scottbaioisdead)'s friend buffons vids.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor :. as stated publicly nearly everywhere most ninja were samurai; thats where the combat comes into it. maybe im just missing a piece of the puzzle and not understanding the points. i always understood that the mental aspects of ninjutsu were what gave people the ability to influence situations.
all up i see our dialogue as placing an emphasis differently, thats about it.
im simply talking about the principles of movement. forgive if my vocab was wrong
cheers
rhamnogalacturonan 1 year ago
@rhamnogalacturonan
uh, and who the hell are you?
why even bother commenting when you filled the box without saying anything meaningful...
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor answer me this Artenor, has arguing with ppl on youtube gotten you anywhere in this life?
shinbudoka 1 year ago
@shinbudoka
"answer me this Artenor, has arguing with ppl on youtube gotten you anywhere in this life?"
answer me this, has allowing people to believe lies ever gotten you to a good place?
i don't mean financially good... i mean morally.
this is the issue, that there are LIES being SOLD here...
how about you try to take a stab at my argument, before you just talk shit...
come one then, lets here mr fake ninja defender... where is the evidence for their claims???
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor i'm not defending or supporting anything in my comment there, i'm asking you what point there is with you arguing, cause that's all i ever see you do on here. Noone is going to have the last word, there will always be a comeback or retaliation, you'll never come to a point or convince anyone to your ideas or opinions unless they want too. Btw you never answered my question exept with another question...
shinbudoka 1 year ago
@Arteanor is it that you think it's fun just throwing out your opinions and challenging ppl and not being held accountable for them?
shinbudoka 1 year ago
@shinbudoka what i mean by that is saying whatever you want and getting away with it.
shinbudoka 1 year ago
@shinbudoka
did you think you were in some way going to do something to prevent me "getting away with it" are you truly that deficient of reason that you must threaten violence over the internet simply because you cannot respond adequately to the skeptical claim.
get over yourself there kiddo, you need to take a step back. and go re check your definitions and knowledge of ninjutsu...
TSOAS2008 has a GREAT series doing an investigation into Togakure ryu 'ninjutsu'
check it out, learn some.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor about the getting away with it, i'm just saying the internet is much safer for ppl like you because there is no risk for you. I've seen this guys videos before, i've seen you reccomend him in almost every bujinkan video i've seen. He might be right. But whether he is or not, I know for a fact that the bujinkan teaches practical useful techniques and skills that can be used in REAL life threatening situations and that's all that's really important...to me anyways
shinbudoka 1 year ago
@shinbudoka
"about the getting away with it, i'm just saying the internet is much safer for ppl like you because there is no risk for you." you ASSUME that i would change my words in your presence? i have no fear of you, and if you want to swing because i can show your art to be based on lies, then you will explain that to the police. AFTER i kick your ass.
"I've seen this guys videos before, i've seen you reccomend him in almost every bujinkan video i've seen"
bcuz they need to hear the truth
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor Haha, ok buddy, you do that, but if i were you i wouldn't be the one rebuking ppl about threatening violence
shinbudoka 1 year ago
@shinbudoka
"@Arteanor is it that you think it's fun just throwing out your opinions and challenging ppl and not being held accountable for them?"
i find it ironic that you are arguing here where you can continually ignore the challenge that was raised....
this is NOT a matter of opinions... this is a matter of verifiable historical facts.
IF YOU have some wondrous historical evidence for ninjutsu being or containing martial arts, or for togakure ryu please share it with us. not opinions.
Arteanor 1 year ago
i really think that the kata in ninjitsu give you an insight as to how the general concepts should be applied. actually for a long while i thought that how you use the kata in a real fight would be different,now i realise that ninjitsu dosent teach any specific moves as its open ended, all the moves can link up. i thought vid was a good demo of a basic kata. stylisticaly my instructor prefers more injurious blocks. this kata opens up some kihon happo grappling as well
sweet!
proteagrower 1 year ago
@proteagrower to qualify my specific moves comment, there is a big difference between say tkd and ninjitsu in how one is taught to apply the techniques. im taught a any technique any height level any angle application. one day i'll do it lol
proteagrower 1 year ago
@proteagrower
"there is a big difference between say tkd and ninjitsu i"
duh, one is a martial art... the other is a word used by fakes and frauds to hide the real origins of the schools of fighting arts being taught....
if i told you that " making tea" was a deadly martial art... and showed you a Krav Maga guy wailing on a guy... would it make it any different than you claiming this video is ninjuts as me claiming the KM is really "making tea"???
your using the word wrong... go research
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor: dont spam. i simply recognise some of the moves and see the principles behind them. i dont think you have any understanding of the principles of movement; your analogy make no sense given the context; in fact you quite possibly are high as you read this. also i was encouraging discussion on the use of the ninjitsu kata (san shin) but whatever..
i really dont care where these techniques came from, i enjoy learning them regardless
what research should i be doing?
can you explain why
proteagrower 1 year ago
@proteagrower
"dont spam"
1 reply constitutes spam now? or are you the only one allowed to use 2 consecutive comments?
"i simply recognise some of the moves and see the principles behind them."
thats cuz they are just budo thats mislabeled...
"i dont think you have any understanding of the principles of movement;"
which is irrelevant to the historical discussion in question.
you seem to be a follower of the popular school that ninjutsu is, or includes a martial art, which takamatsu fabricated
Arteanor 1 year ago
@proteagrower
"your analogy make no sense given the context"
seems you misunderstand it, and the context then...
"i was encouraging discussion on the use of the ninjitsu kata (san shin) but whatever.."
and i was correcting you, as no such things exist.
they are modern creations mislabeled as ninjutsu by frauds.
"i really dont care where these techniques came from, i enjoy learning them regardless"
GREAT, then stop callin it ninjutsu.
bansenshukai, ninpiden, shoninki, Shinobi Soldiers on YT
Arteanor 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@proteagrower
"i really think that the kata in ninjitsu..."
there are no kata in ninjutsu... btw you missed the reply button...
",now i realise that ninjitsu dosent teach any specific moves as its open ended,"
thats because takamatsu made it up in the 60's and 70's. glad that you spotted that...
"i thought vid was a good demo of a basic kata" even if it IS tagged as ninjutsu despite not showing ANY ninjutsu at all...
Arteanor 1 year ago
argh boma already said what i just posted^^
Blacknek 1 year ago
wasted footwork
kapoof2 1 year ago
There's a reason why this combat in real life would fail, fighting is instinctive, you can't perform this because it is only a kata, you have to device a way to make it work as an auto response, that is the whole point of kata. One would be stupid enough to try this in real time combat because people react differently in a REAL fight.
boma357 1 year ago
@boma357 go back to your local tae kwon do gym.....and ask for your money back, because you obviously know nothing.
AntiHero12109 1 year ago
@AntiHero12109 I don't do tae kwon do and I do have much respect with any martial arts, just that a kata is a kata. As with all katas, the principles are for muscle memory but following the precise steps in a kata during a real fight is not applicable, that's all. I don't really care if you practice several martial arts, the basis is the person, not the art. You're quick with your typing skills, but you lack the intellect.
boma357 1 year ago
@boma357 this video is just a deminstration, they aren't telling you or anyone to "following the precise steps in a kata during a real fight" and it's youtube, i have no respect for kids who leave dumb comments, you want enlightenment, go watch kung fu panda or something.
AntiHero12109 1 year ago
@AntiHero12109 I'm not a kid either, you lack the discipline, probably lack even more than that, but hey, you chose to be a smart-ass and a know-it-all. "Ask for your money back because you obviously know nothing". Who's the kid again? The demonstration precedes the learning. How is "demonstrating" not applicable in a real fight? Quit contradicting yourself. If anyone is a kid here, it's you. You can't even come up with a proper explanation without saying something stupid.
boma357 1 year ago
@boma357 I didn't read a single thing you just said after seeing the first line. If you won't listen to what i'm really saying, i won't listen to you at all, because for someone who talks so much, you don't say anything of value.
AntiHero12109 1 year ago
it does not work against quick attacks
the distance of attack is not real
the fist is faster than the body
dimajocar 1 year ago
your movement is to slow ive practiced this art for a year and i know that the ''you throw a puntch and leave it there'' method is fake therefore you are fake you are a discrase to my art.
fearless100percent 1 year ago
@fearless100percent
This is a Kata. That means it has an unchangeable form. You can take key elements out of it, but it surely does not claim any sense in a real fight if you want to apply the form. There are always differences in how people move or especially in a real fight how they attack. If you're good enough you can use the key elements of all katas etc. you know.
Posting bullsh*** like you did is a disgrace to anyone who practises ninjutsu.
Blacknek 1 year ago
Also I do have a video online showing a review of one of my training classes a few months ago Look if you want. That is training not based on a kata
rab877 2 years ago
the speed of the move needs 2 b faster and the the moves isnt practicle cause in a real fight u dont have that m,uch time 2 execute the move, i no the speed is 4 a demo, but really all of those move 4 a simple effect
aznpr0ducti0ns 2 years ago
In a real life situation you actually have more time then your realize just because your in a fight doesn't mean time speeds up it just seems that way because of the adrenaline dump you experience same as tunnel vision and audio exclusion. Like I Kage said in the comments below the true lesson is how to move the body in unison with as little as possible delay in your reaction
rab877 2 years ago
cool
xrastinatora 2 years ago
whats important from the kata is that the whole body moves in unison to strike. in a serious situation you are not going to move in such an exaggerated way, but keeping the "feeling" as hatsumi would say of moving your body in unison. watch this guy's movement and think about where the body weight is concentrated. both of those strikes has his full body weight in it.
kagenoshinobimono 2 years ago
try out some of the strikes on yourself. the first strike is a shuto or chop to the inside of the arm, ideally the wrist. nd strike is a boshiken or thumb strike in the armpit, but ribs, the side, all those are targets
kagenoshinobimono 2 years ago
i learned call punching the pressure point on someone as frog-ing someone
Whathasitdone 2 years ago
I rather street fight than think of this over and over my head
Its not a perfect combo
And hitting the pressure point at the armpit is NOT easy, ive tried it many times
Because an arm is extended at you, if you dont hit it correctly or their arm is just in your way. They will just need to backhand you or hook you down
sukarestu 2 years ago
i think his punsh goes to a pressure point under the arm
i heraad that "ninjas" use that pressure point often
36cwalk 2 years ago
This is dumb - Its just so much easier to parry the punch, slip, shell up, etc... His left foot moves back to far, and drops his left to his waist then punches. This takes too much time. Any experienced fighter would have thrown a barrage of punches, kicks, knees or elbows.
iApna 2 years ago
You are so right. An average street fighter would rip this dudes head off.
talon115 2 years ago
its training, the moves are exagerated so you can learn.
RajDrummer1 2 years ago 2
Exaggerated or not, avoid adopting bad habits up front, or struggle to change them later.
iApna 2 years ago
very true... this 3rd degree is taking classes at my school formerly at a "traditional" school... so when we spar we still cant get him to ki'up right nor keep his hands up lol.
dysregardedd 2 years ago
hahaha this is so lame
portal1337 2 years ago
Sure stay with it! Any Martial art is better then no martial art 99% of the time. Akido is a great art and teaches alot of good principles. Dont get discouraged either that your learning "slow" I always tell my students when the time is right it will all click together, and if you didnt have trouble with the techniques even after a few months then you probably should look for a different school. There would be no need for you to stay if you already can do everything they are teaching.
rab877 2 years ago
aikido owns ;D
punkiepop 2 years ago
i've been watching JKD videos all day. after those, the movements in this video seem so wasteful of energy
jimb0b84 2 years ago
when you can actually train and learn the technique and or movements then comment. Watching video's really dont give you the knowledge to talk about any martial art and their techniques.
rab877 2 years ago 5
he blocks by stepping backward, then he steps forward to counter. mechanically speaking, it's just less efficient to change momentum like that.
the points he strikes are all very good for pressure, and his sweeps/throws are well balanced. however, the way the video is filmed makes his movements look wasteful of energy
jimb0b84 2 years ago
all this is a traditional kata from one of our ryu-ha's the changing direction is from a defensive mind set where your not really ready for a punch to be thrown. So when it is and your surprised you MOVE. Most of your martial art schools teach to stand in the same spot and attempt to block the punch in the Bujinkan we worry more about moving your body as one unit the lesson to be taught from this isn't the punch defense its all the underlying principles that you can't see from a video
rab877 2 years ago 4
i see, that makes a little more sense
jimb0b84 2 years ago
"our ryu-ha" really? 34 soke? that predates the start of ninjutsu... so why arent you calling it what your teachers claim it to be? bujinkan doesnt claim to be a ha of a ryu... it claims to be the parent ryu ... why do you think the 34 generation densho got laughed out of the koryu society meetings???
just wondering... do u know the name Ueno Takashi? might wanna do some research on him... seeing as he is the successor of takamatsu who kicked hatsumi out of the dojo.
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
Ueno Takashi was never a successor to Takamatsu. He was one of Takamatsu's students and was Hatsumi sensei's instructor also it was Ueno Sensei who was 1st to teach Hatsumi Sensei Shiden Fudo Ryu and to give him Menkyo Kaiden in Shinden Fudo Ryu. Hatsumi is reported to have also been taught Koto Ryu from Ueno. On a side note Ueno Takashi also trained with and taught the reputed Koga Ninja Fujita Seiko bridging a gap between the two factions.
rab877 2 years ago
im sorry but what? did you really just say that Ueno taught Fujita?
funny that your story contradicts with the genbukan's story of the events.... not that i think they are any more reputable...
and how do you explain hatsumi being denied entry into the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai ?? i hope its better than some i have heard, ( he wore the wrong tie.. ROFL).
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
@rab877 Well, that is mainly because moving does cost time. And in this kata at least, I am not sure what gives you the time frame to execute the technique after evading the attack. I could only think of uke being sure that he got you and then being surprised he didn't. But for that to work, you would have to evade in the very veeery last moment and uke would have to be quite confident.
Or that isn't a secure block there, but a strike to a nerve point. Maybe that could also buy you time.
HomunculusProject 8 months ago
he steps back so you dont get hit.... (incase they are stronger than you and you cant block) and then you step back in for more power.
5T0RML0RD 2 years ago
Sorry please read but the latest to most recent..Youtube put them outta order.
rab877 2 years ago
Final example then I will close. If you go to school to be a doctor of family medicine and complete that course of study then are put into a war zone to act as a field medic even though your knowledge might be greater then the average medic chances are your reaction to the situation for which you havent prepared for will cause you to fail due to the fact you havent experienced or trained for pratice in a war zone.
rab877 2 years ago
Great video, but people just don't punch at you like that in a real fight.
mrpower328 2 years ago
that guy looked like he landed wrong i thought he was going to break his shoulder
1Soahc 2 years ago
I wish only the people that actually knew what they were talking about spoke. So before you comment about ninjutsu (or anything else), please take a moment to consider your own credentials.
Capone000001 2 years ago
ninjutsu is not exist
twohemispheres 2 years ago
you have got to be kidding.... w t f do you mean it doesnt exsist
NinjitsuNinja 2 years ago
Ninjutsu is a strategy, which sometimes employs martial arts, it's not a martial art in the sense of karate, wu shu, etc.
MARICHIYA 2 years ago
i beg to differ, karate, wu shu and a whole pile of other martial arts were influenced by ninjutsu, i've studied many martial arts and i would say Ninjutsu is by far the most effective, due to the fact that you could be a 4.5ft man against a 7.5ft man and still win, due to the use of anatomy and using the opponents body againtst him.
mine1324 2 years ago 2
@mine1324 your doing all the mystical fantasy martial arts the ones that matter are the grappling ones and muay thai everything else is just a bunch a guys standing around doing kata , you cant learn how to fight from kata lol no one throws a punch like that . It all BULLSHIDO my friend stop goingt o mcdojo's
nickynoneck 1 year ago
Ninjutsu is in fact a art with its own techniques weapons and taijutsu principles
rab877 2 years ago
Taijutsu historically is not necessarily part of a ninja style. Ninja are part of the samurai class, and ninjutsu is their job within that class. They used various styles of empty-hand combat, and there are very few weapons used exclusively by ninja. If you study ninjutsu according to its own texts (bansenshukai, shoninki, etc.), it's understood to be a form of Heiho "military strategy") and not a martial art per se.
MARICHIYA 2 years ago
More like "Karate".... this is hardly Ninjutsu... :S
MadVlrus 2 years ago
this is ninjutsu
fudo-ken to the arm and a koppo ken to the rib or to the arm pit , plus also just a simple take down leg sweep
most important aspect to ninjutsu he evaded the punch first
karate is more rigid
optimizerofpain 2 years ago
the strike ti the rib is a boshi ken (thumb strike) not a koppo
maceioninjutsu 2 years ago
Yes it is ninjitsu, but Mads comment isnt without merrit. You will find that Ninjitsu is a baby compared to other japanese combat arts and has its origins in Karate, Kempo, Jujitsu and other unarmed martial techniques. The modern ninja in a black mask throwing smoke bombs and using hand seals is a far cry from the reality of what a ninja really was. Please dont think im denouncing ninjitsu, or saying your comment is wholy wrong.
Namiwakiru 2 years ago 2
yeah. those of us that study ninjutsu dont run around in all black and wear facemasks. We do stealth training on occassion but its not really our main focus its more along the lines of "im learning this not to fight but so i can be able to go home at the end of the day" never claim anyones way is the RIGHT way or the WRONG way. It's simply THEIR way.
sk8wise12 2 years ago
what? . . . are you dancing? why are you dancing?
souperflipz 3 years ago
Lasly, the burden of proof is on the claimant. I don't have to prove you wrong; it's your job to supply evidence for your claims.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Well don't believe me? If you don't believe just because their isn't any "proof" then theres others who know already and you have to find out with ur own knowledge. Another its not my job to do anything. Why would I waste my time to try to prove to just one person. And last why tell me what I need proof when you haven't actually proven anything either? I rest my case I'm done with you. Say whatever you want.....
trunks06 3 years ago
I don't need to prove anything. I'm not the one making the claims.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
You have good points on the subject, but have missed the whole truth. While Ninjitsu is a baby compared to most japanese combat arts, its origins lie in aspects of Karate, kenpo, jujitsu. etc etc. it is these martial aspects that would be more influenced from outside ideals especially during the 1500's where you can see a heavy chinese influx into the culture . Claims of "pirates" are completely unfounded im afraid, most of the sword arts are without a doubt based on the japanese sword arts.
Namiwakiru 2 years ago
what I mean by pirate fighting is thw footwork. You know how the art of ninjutsu relies on the footwork rocking back and forth? More of the footwork not the swordsmanship.....
trunks06 2 years ago
no, ninjutsu is the first art of all those you just said.
vali4theworld 2 years ago
Ninjutsu predates Karate by many hundreds of years. Karate is is fairly mordern art having being founded in Okinawa in the early to mid 1800's depending on lineage and never really reached the Japanese Main land untill the 1920's Kenpo is another name for Karate. Jujutsu is the proper spelling and depends on what ryu as to if it predates Ninjutsu or not. The technique that is being displayed is from the Bujinkan group and comes from Koto Ryu Koppojutsu
rab877 2 years ago
I thought koto ryu koppojutsu was about bone smashing...at least thats what I was taught by my instructors.
robyoung1979 2 years ago
Koto Ryu really doesnt mean breaking or smashing bones. Its meaning is more or less about breaking your attackers body structure (taking their balance) with your strikes. So think loosely transleted Koto Ryu Koppojutsu means to knock down the tiger by breaking its structrual intergerity. This Seto being shown here isnt from the densho though normally its done from right single lapel grab, but that doesnt really matter the beauty of the Bujinkan is its ability to be taylored to someones own ideas
rab877 2 years ago
actually karate has pretty old origin from older okinawan martial arts and those coming from china, as a matter of fact a fairly large amount of karate katas are derivations of weapons techniques that involved from swords to smaller kodachi even knives. so do the bo katas in karate, I dont understand why so many ninjutsu students who hasnt even entered a karate dojo feel liek they know everything about karate from wikipedia.
KOGR11 2 years ago
and TKD/Tang Soo Do focus more on sport and point fighting then actual real life self protection drills not to say that Karate cant or isnt effective it can be and is IF the practioner/teacher train and teach with the right attitude.
rab877 2 years ago
I am sorry I dont mean any offence by this but what I say is true watching all 17 bujinkan students i have met so far, not a whole lot of respect for the other martial arts without knowing or parcticing any of them. and they have a knack for targetting specifically karate schools, and all three time they were invited to a karate dojo they performed rather poorly against our students, though we still treated them rather cordially and respectfuly .
KOGR11 2 years ago
I have no disrespect towards karate and I know that the basis for the okinawa systems came from older styles and from china. In the terms of modern Karate though ex. Shotokan Gojo and so on they are modern being created into a named system in the early to mid 1800's.
rab877 2 years ago
I havent trained in Karate formally but I'm an avid collector of MA vid's on history and technique some of which are on different Karate systems. I did train for several years in Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do along with breif training Hapkido Krav Maga Jujitsu and Kali. Currently I continue my Bujinkan Training which I have been a student of for about 13 yrs and Also I am studing Akido. I'm not being disrepectful towards Karate but from my limited knowledge the schools here in the US for Karate
rab877 2 years ago
i hope people will perhaps take a more civilized and respectable aproach in future, we're all brothers training to better ourselves and the world we live in right? a martial artist should have no time for disrespect.
sornblack 3 years ago
...
we all know for every martial art there are both mindblowing practitioners and apauling amatures who teach all the methods and teachings wrong and basically know nothing of them. i have yet to see an entire martial art that is in any way bad though i have encountered many insultingly bad teachers.form what i have seen there are no bad arts only bad students and poor or corrupt teachers....
sornblack 3 years ago
ive trained in ninjutsu for years and this is some of the worst i have ever seen. a poor example. i think people make rash hard and fast rules about how good a martial art is based on youtube videos should try it out with a real teacher and see...
sornblack 3 years ago
,alisimo...super lento
curtisladri 3 years ago
that sounded like it hurt o-o
Magician852852 3 years ago
No structure, poor timing, poor mechanics, blocky, stiff, useless.
Twycross 3 years ago
that is just a demonstration so you can see whats your supposed to do, if its a real fight it would have been fast and smoothly (if you know the technique ofcourse). and its usefull no doubt there.
masterdimsen 3 years ago
Has nothing to do with that. Watch the timing of his arm contact with his stepping. Also his movements are too big. Fights don't happen that far away.
Twycross 3 years ago
No, fights dont but this isnt a real fight (not saying you dont know) the timing of the arm is actually not that bad, the way he hits him with the arm may stun it (if its hit correctly) ofcourse the bad guy would attack again, and the good guy does open up his defence to much by using his right arm, im not saying he does a good job presuming he would do the exact thing during a real fight, but again its just a demonstration, not a good one but nor that bad either.
masterdimsen 3 years ago
If it's a demo all the more reason the mechanics should be correct. He's treating his limbs like ballistic projectiles. He's falling into his steps. He doesn't shift his weight he falls with it. I don't know that's just my 2 cents. I'm not saying i'm any better, I just had a very traditional pre communist regime teacher in martial arts and had great emphasis on the physical mechanics of things. There are some things which all martial arts must have to be good for fighting regardless of name.
Twycross 3 years ago
Thats defenetly true
masterdimsen 3 years ago
I know what it is. I was only replying to the guy who said Ninjitsu is uneffective. Which is majorly false.
trunks06 3 years ago
Oh ok my bad
masterdimsen 3 years ago
Masaaki Hatsumi is the man sitting atop the moneymaking con that is ninja. You can not see this as you have invested heavily into the sideshow already.
The videos posted of him here are less than impressive. Its no better than watching george dillman's dim mak lunacy.
AshidaKlown 3 years ago
........... shows wat you know
trunks06 3 years ago
a ninja isnt just a fighter, its an infiltrator, a spy.. a shadow
lol
well, but thats the idea, fighting its the last thing you should do
Ni7ram 3 years ago
people criticizing ninjutsu are the idiots who pretend to be martial artists either because they are very dumb and think they're right or because they don't want to admit they know as much about martial arts as a rock, as I keep saying because they are stubborn and refuse to admit they are wrong
cavepanther 3 years ago
Yea..... I know.....
trunks06 3 years ago
i wish ninjutsu can teach me how to fight like scorpion. i know its a fantasy but scorpion is so cool
ThunderGodSQN 3 years ago
lol.. i do muay thai... this style has hardy any chance >__>
stepxunit 3 years ago
Wow, you must not be a good martial artist then. Because every good martial artist knows that, every style has their strengths and weaknesses. It depends on what level your at with the martial art. With you saying this style has no chance with your muay thai, lets see you say that to Stephen K. Hayes or Hatsumi Masaaki.
trunks06 3 years ago
ive seen what ninjutsu is about and its not even a real martial art.. more a like a ninja death art.. for samurais.. atleast that is said in most videos.. still..
stepxunit 3 years ago
Dude its a martial art. How? Its derived from shaolin kung fu, and pirate fighting. Theres some other art involved with it but I cannot think of it at the moment. But its an martial art.
trunks06 3 years ago
A martial art is simply the art of fighting, theres no need of fancy movement if it dosent have any usefull effect. plus ninjutsu is used to take out your foe fast with limp breaking nerve striking (as seen here(and believe me or not if you hit right there it numbs your arm, and hurt like hell)) locks and tactical attacks of the organs. And that is just a demonstration so you can see whats your supposed to do, if its a real fight it would have been fast and smoothly.
masterdimsen 3 years ago
I think the other martial art you're looking for is Cantonese Nut-Slapping.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
......?
trunks06 3 years ago
I mean seriously....Pirate Fighting?
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Yes the footwork comes from pirate fighting. Look at the footwork. Why do you think their movement shifts from forward to backward. Do research.
trunks06 3 years ago
Yarrr....Yer historeee be farkeed, laddeh
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Well I'm done. If you don't believe me maybe you will if you do some research down the line. But I know for a fact where I got it from is true. Ninjutsu is derived from many different martial arts with part of its foot movement like a pirate because they had to fight on a ship too. But hey if you don't believe me, theres nothing more for me to say...
trunks06 3 years ago
I don't believe you because your argument has no proof at all, and is totally and irreversibly wrong in every way.
Ninjutsu is derived from the Koryu arts of Japan, and incorporates (albeit badly) elements of all of them.
Pirates have absolutely nothing to do with it.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
To be honest, you don't have any proof either. You talk as if your a truth machine. Like everything you say is right and everything I say is wrong. Some of the sword play and footwork is derived from pirates. The hand to hand art is derived from Kalari payat (Indian martial art) and some Shaolin Kung Fu styles. Like I said its derived from different martial arts and combined into one
trunks06 3 years ago
Where is your evidence that the sword play is derived from pirates?
Because that's just stupid.
The sword play is straight Kenjutsu. Where did you get the idea it had ANYTHING to do with pirates? For that matter, what pirates do you mean?
Also, Ninjutsu in no way descended from Shaolin Kung Fu.
The whole fantasy of Shaolin being the origin of all martial arts is simply false. As for the Indian martial art, I wouldn't know about that. It's possible, as India has a far more extensive history.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
No wonder "ninja's" are worthless fighters. If you tried this crap on someone resisting you would get beaten every time. Try this with a non-compliant partner and see what I'm talking about.
Without aliveness you are a martial dancer.
AshidaKlown 3 years ago
Look up Masaaki Hatsumi.
trunks06 3 years ago
hahahahaha
jojoquebien 3 years ago
what the hell? how is that arm stopping technique gonna work, unless its a stop punch and it sure as hell does not look like one.
Heartsbane7 3 years ago
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metroidhunter009 3 years ago
Really? So I guess you drop anchor in poop bay...
skulleton 3 years ago
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metroidhunter009 3 years ago
who even says the word "nerd" anymore.whatta you stuck in 1984.you faggit,,ill smak the fuk outta u guaranteed..self proclaimed tuff guy..i aint no nerd my dude,bring it you deep throater,,,your a troatbag--
Douchebag500 3 years ago
Nerd !
Unless85 3 years ago
you probably have a little cock.
Douchebag500 3 years ago
or how bout we skip the fightin ,i wait till your sleepin n shit on you face-
Douchebag500 3 years ago
how bbout i throw a shuriken at your dome full speed n then see how funny it is?
Douchebag500 3 years ago
i train mma,,and i still see ninjutsu as a useful art form,are you one those bar room brawelers who takes mma now n thinks there a fighter.>? or you just an asshole->? or both>?
Douchebag500 3 years ago
no see you take the time to think about it, talk about it, do it in slow motion....and then the cycle repeats. but you skip the, actually doing it part, and people like me who wrestled and train mma laugh cause its funny to hear you try and understand the technique without training it at a competitive level. its funny, ha ha ha, look at the nerds have their weird contrived conversation about a technique they dont realize has been refined by years of competition. let them go on and har har har
nicerebound 3 years ago
wow, that other guys hand was right there, but he didn't even bother to block
Takashi577 3 years ago
takashi:i wanted to say the same thing! :)
Lywnis 3 years ago
Could you do it slower than that ??
hatsuro100 3 years ago
watching you nerds analyse this crap is really entertaining.
nicerebound 3 years ago
hahahahahaha i was thinking the same thing
andrewbrown600 3 years ago
At least we take the time to learn it.
SuperNinja8000 3 years ago
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un puñetazo no es algo ordenado, recto, lento, perfecto, que empieza inmóvil y termina inmóvil, que se lanza dando un paso y con todo el peso del cuerpo detrás. yo no he visto a nadie que ataque así, y no creo que el ninjutsu deba plantearse contra ese tipo de golpes. Otra cosa ¿15º Dan? ¿Un español? ¡Venga ya, hombre, nos están tomando el pelo a cambio de nuestro dinero!
gverdeja 3 years ago
calling that takedown a single leg is an insult to wrestlers everywhere
nicerebound 3 years ago
Every marital art has that take down too man your insulting everyone.
SuperNinja8000 3 years ago
....ive never seen a block like that, in the beginning lulz...
Nate8Jack 3 years ago
This seems like a striking block called uke nagashi. It is a basic method for recieving a punch or a kick.
psimin 3 years ago
kinda similar to fu no kata if i remember correctly but stancs must be deeper its almost like karate...
leaderoflostsouls666 3 years ago
why do you all start meaningless fights over different martial arts? most of us are pracitioners and we should be working together to unite our styles for the greater knowledge of future generations.
Everyone has different beliefs and styles, no one person is correct. Please there is more fighting in words than in practice. Agree to disagree or give CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.
HeavenlyAnarchy 4 years ago
you dont start kwantum mechanics at all... its quantum physics/
emptyology 4 years ago
unslat,i respect your opinion,end im a fighter as well,i used to train some kind of marcial art,even ninjutsu,but i took from them technique that i can really use,im not lieing to myself,the problem is not in the ninjutsu,kung fu,or whatever...but in peaple who still bealive that kind of technique is usefull,end is not,ninjutsu is created for war,like in the real life,end trust me,in the real word,u never ever gonna be stricken like that,did u get me?
xdouglasbr 4 years ago
uuuh, no. i dont get u. need to use plain english, jeje. anyways, ya, bruce lees philosophies all the way! use what works, drop what doesnt. its all up to u. btw, some of these techniques are incredibly useful if u use some on the spot angling and offensive defense
link12321 4 years ago
i know nobody would throw a punch like that but this is the basic u learn with the basic start small and easy. 1+1=2 is basic 2 u dont start with kwantum mechanics in 1th grade. my point again is dont know about it dont nag about it.
more chi! train harder!
merry cristmas! happy new year!
unslat 4 years ago
it's not effective,as we can see the striker punch with the right hand,while the "ninja" make his tecnique he let his jaw expose...easy to stop with just a simple left punch...
xdouglasbr 4 years ago
Ninjutsu is a 1000 year old martial art. the ninja kicked samurai ass 700 year long so i think its effective.this movie is made just to show u what ninjutsu has to offer. and i have used my ninjutsu in a couple of fight and those fight didnt last very long.
u might think im just some macho trying to be tough i dont care just dont critisise ninjutsu if u dont know shit agout it. ty
unslat 4 years ago
Listen guys I've seen several people get into fist fights and yea most of the time people get so angry they throw these lame swinging punches they don't fight like boxers they fight like morons swinging there arms so yea this technique done at a faster speed does work.
Karascool 4 years ago
lmao yea like anyone will throw this weird punch in a real fight and keeps standing still after it, i DO get that this is simple training BUT you dont learn SHIT from this kind of training.
full contact SPARRING is what REALLY gives training effect, choreographed stuff like THIS is ONLY to get money from fools who want to be a *niiinjaaa*
nekftw 4 years ago
What little you know-lol
PMACoralSprings 4 years ago
well i practice ninjutsu and i must say that in all the fights that i've been ninjustsu as helped me a LOT.
a similar tecnique from the one showed in the video helped me witha a knife attack
aimachited 4 years ago 2
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dont lie... it sucks..
kagolko 4 years ago
what the..i don't like those kata...to much effort...nah...i respect the martial arts though...
tae0mo 4 years ago
your back leg floats.
wizaad 4 years ago
umm. ninjutsu must be smart?? its only been around 1,000 years. actualy its only a basic gata shown here to demonstrate basic principles. 1st is evasion as seen here. personaly i would have done this technique a litlle different, but thats the beauty of Bujinkan ninjutsu. its adaptive and up to the individual to use as he sees fit in the situation. if you dont think ninjutsu works, find any Bujinkan school and ask any senior practioner there to be his/her UKE for awhlie.
ninjutsugeelong 4 years ago
at least its real ninjutsu...
there's lots of crap in utube
victortatu 4 years ago