Out of curiosity, what did you use to clarify the Tar from your Wood Vinegar? And have you calculated the make up of your resultant vinegar, you know Methanol vs oil of Turpentine vs Acetic acid or what ever?
@JagdtygerII . to clarify the wood vinegar, I let the liquid sit for 30 days,after this period, the tar is in the bottom timber and acid pyro lighter above.the amounts of methanol and acetic acid are very small and they still did not measure,the next "batch" mete out and let you know.methanol I withdraw early in the process, the acetic acid must be placed in a fractional distillation column.
Oh, weld some fins in the retort tube to tumble the material allowing all surfaces to be exposed far more effective ensures all the methan is extracted. I missed a few numbers in the order just read from bottom to top.
7th. I would angle the retort tube on a 10 degree slope toward the discharge end and time the piston strokes and rotation speed to allow approx 15 minutes residence time for materials before tumbling to the discharge end at 1,200 F for best results. May want to invest in a better tube than a looks like a 55 gallon drum. Stainless steel would be ideal. if not a 12" steel pipe wold work. I work with a 44" Dia x 36' L stainless steel retort tube. self contained in a oven. Good Luck.
Sterile non-leaching char as the end product, which has commercial value sold as a filtering agent for water. Remember to let the char bin cool before opening, as oxygen will cause hot char to burn into a white ash just like briquettes in a B.B.Q. Now worthless possibly leach dangerous compounds into ground water. The Char is non leaching. Hell, compress it into Briquettes and throw a few shrimp on the Bar Be for me. Without continual flow your stuck in the stone age. unable to expand.
6th. self sustaining heated using a small portion of it's own gas if you show interest in this method. I am not sure how remote of an area you are in or even the country. These materials may be difficult to acquire. But, if you want to create electricity by using this gas to heat a boiler for steam to turn a turbine you will create a lot of Watts depending on the size or how many of these units you line up side by side. Remember everything goes through including hazardous materials leaving a ...
5th. metal chute for materials to back up into above the gap in the pipe in the path of the piston stroke. use a small conveyor belt to move material into the chute and you now have a continuous flow distillator. build a air tight char box for the stack to rest on a pilot light at the top of the stack to flare the produced gas. now you have continual flow a big advantage if you ever want to make any money generating electricity. I explain the use for produced gas and how to make the system ....
4th. resting in a pipe with a 3" ID. cut a section this pipe out in the top to allow waste to fall in the path of the piston connected to a ram or anything that will cycle the stroke forcefully enough to drive a waste plug stroke ending at flange of tapered pipe leaving a material plug to be pushed into your slowly rotating retort. plug will be replaced next stroke. The materials shoud be shredded no larger than 1" pieces smaller the better. Mount the ram motor on a stand, build a sheet
Read 3rd. the retort tube at the opposite end of the stack. Cut approx. a 3" dia hole in the center of opposite end. Insert a 3" dia x 6" L tube with a flange mid way to weld or bolt the 6"L tube in place. Remember it needs to be air tight. High temp sealer would work. This tube needs to be tapered approx. 5 degrees from flange to discharge end of tube inside the retort. This will ensure a air tight plug is always in place. You need a small hydraulic ram or method to cycle a 3" dia. piston...
Read 2nd. I am not sure what type of equipment you have access to and I can't tell you everything, you willl need to figure some out your own. I will keep you on the right track. Oh! this is distillation don't be stuck on wood. all materials with a molecular structure are easily converted, paper, plastics, robber, paints, oils, sludge, if it lives on this planet or lived on this planet it will convert. You need a small hydraulic ram or a way to push a piston with force to inject the waste into.
the reason you would want to convert methane (natural gas) to methanol is that it can be transported and distributed with the same infrastructure as gasoline, and people are very familiar with gasoline (ie everybody has a gas can and gas tanks on their vehicle). The problem is that methanol only has about 65% of the btu's per gallon that gasoline has
Never mind. I just watched the video again your using wood to reach operating temp. I don't suppose this is self-sustaining using the produced fuel, it's a long shot Ha! It's not a old process it's rudementary. No pun intended. Let me know if you want a few suggestions that would improve this drastically.
read 1st. @heald269 Ok, I am not sure what the water is used for from the garden hose since it is non-combusting. The retort tube should be set on caster wheels horizontally like it is now, you need a gear driven motor or a way to rotate this tube slowly in a oven heated to 1,200 F. If wood will reach this temp it can be used as a heat source. For testing first you need open one end of your retort tube completely, make a steel flare stack with a hole in the side the retort will fit snugly into.
To avoid confussion I have 2 accounts I also am Unibomber2u which you have replied. heald269 below is my comment. I am looking for assistance putting a 250 TPD Destructive Distillation Process in operation. This process can convert MSW, Plastics, Wood, Styrofoam, Rubber Tires, Medical Red Bag Hazardous Waste, Liquid Waste like motor oil, paint thinners etc. as you know very efficiently. Spklrs4u@hotmail.com
ger261 I am very familiar with destructive distillation. I volunteered my time operating a 5 TPD Destructive Distillation Demonstration Facility of MSW very effectivly I have many suggestions that would improve your process if interested. If no natural gas is used how do you reach operating temp. to start the conversion? You can email me at spklrs4u@hotmail.com Greg
Wood Vinegar? OK, I give up used for what? Does it have a BTU rating or does vinegar have a BTU. How much wood can a wood chuck chuck. or how many pounds of wood did it take to produce a half a litre or so of this vinegar? The Char remains does not appear to have been more than 30 or 40% converted due to it's the size almost unchanged. This is from feed stock too large and now way to move material around in a low production batch fed stationary retort. Continual flow is the answer.
That's a big question for a difficult problem. I know how to convert multiple materials simultaneously on a continual flow process. Converting only coal for instance may pose problems. Garbage containing organics, Synthetics, Oil based materials such as plastics, styrofoam, ribber, with organics such as paper, cardboard, wood, and many others is best feed stock for this process. Would need to know your resources, experience and my compensation for your ability to produce electricity from waste..
Do you think this would work if you put paper into it? I just so happen to have dozens of pounds of paper that I don't want to recycle or throw away. Recycling paper is bad for the environment and throwing it away would take up space in landfills. This could be a nice way of getting rid of it and making something useful from it, a new way to recycle paper.
@ger261 I thought he was adding water to the process. It must condensate with the methane from the distillation process to produce vinegar. This would account for the low BTU. Why not use some of the methane produced to heat the process and be self sustaining instead of using wood to convert wood? Not sure where this is taking place and don't know the economic availability of the parts for this to occur.
Neanderthal would be an understatement for this process. You still have not found the solution the basic concept is sound you havn't figured out yet how convert bio-mass into methane using this system on a continuous flow. I have the answer! Anybody interested in or familiar with destructive distillation or pyrolitic decomposition email me with your concept and/or experience If qualified I will give you the answer.
I am from a very undeveloped area in Pakistan. please help me and guide me to the whole process of making Methanol from wood, or coal , or even natural gas?
How i can make a still to process wood or coal or natural gas in my home backyard.
Sir it will be a life changing moment for me any many of the people living in this area. God bless you and your family.
@1mastang I have comments listed above. Confussed in why would you want to convert natural gas to methanol? I would prefer Natural Gas due to the high BTU. My process may not be for your application as it is far more advanced and utilizes continual flow methods and devices not realized yet on any process I have seen on YouTube. Not even close. They don't take hints very well either like think rotating retort and a hydraulic ram for constant feed 24/7.
@Unibomber2u I am converting wood to methanol, through a process of very old and inefficient call "destructive destillation of wood", I do not use natural gas.
I am from a very undeveloped area in Pakistan. please help me and guide me to the whole process of making Methanol from wood, or coal , or even natural gas?
How i can make a still to process wood or coal or natural gas in my home backyard.
Sir it will be a life changing moment for me any many of the people living in this area. God bless you and your family.
@vmelkon ,Vinegar has a job as an activator of composting, insectiside, below pH of chemical solutions for application in crops, with consequent decrease in the amount of pesticides used.
However, if you do a fractional distillation of vinegar will get:
-Methanol
-Acetic acid
-Tar
and over 100 other products that I can not remember now.
So you still have to distill the vinegar to get methanol, What is your methanol to wood ratio, how much wood does it take to make a gallon of methanol
@ger261
Out of curiosity, what did you use to clarify the Tar from your Wood Vinegar? And have you calculated the make up of your resultant vinegar, you know Methanol vs oil of Turpentine vs Acetic acid or what ever?
JagdtygerII 1 week ago
@JagdtygerII . to clarify the wood vinegar, I let the liquid sit for 30 days,after this period, the tar is in the bottom timber and acid pyro lighter above.the amounts of methanol and acetic acid are very small and they still did not measure,the next "batch" mete out and let you know.methanol I withdraw early in the process, the acetic acid must be placed in a fractional distillation column.
ger261 2 days ago
Oh, weld some fins in the retort tube to tumble the material allowing all surfaces to be exposed far more effective ensures all the methan is extracted. I missed a few numbers in the order just read from bottom to top.
heald269 3 months ago
@heald269 very interesting posts you have here. May I suggest dabbing some oil on that dreadful feeder spout cap !
xJasbo 3 weeks ago
7th. I would angle the retort tube on a 10 degree slope toward the discharge end and time the piston strokes and rotation speed to allow approx 15 minutes residence time for materials before tumbling to the discharge end at 1,200 F for best results. May want to invest in a better tube than a looks like a 55 gallon drum. Stainless steel would be ideal. if not a 12" steel pipe wold work. I work with a 44" Dia x 36' L stainless steel retort tube. self contained in a oven. Good Luck.
heald269 3 months ago
Sterile non-leaching char as the end product, which has commercial value sold as a filtering agent for water. Remember to let the char bin cool before opening, as oxygen will cause hot char to burn into a white ash just like briquettes in a B.B.Q. Now worthless possibly leach dangerous compounds into ground water. The Char is non leaching. Hell, compress it into Briquettes and throw a few shrimp on the Bar Be for me. Without continual flow your stuck in the stone age. unable to expand.
heald269 3 months ago
6th. self sustaining heated using a small portion of it's own gas if you show interest in this method. I am not sure how remote of an area you are in or even the country. These materials may be difficult to acquire. But, if you want to create electricity by using this gas to heat a boiler for steam to turn a turbine you will create a lot of Watts depending on the size or how many of these units you line up side by side. Remember everything goes through including hazardous materials leaving a ...
heald269 3 months ago
5th. metal chute for materials to back up into above the gap in the pipe in the path of the piston stroke. use a small conveyor belt to move material into the chute and you now have a continuous flow distillator. build a air tight char box for the stack to rest on a pilot light at the top of the stack to flare the produced gas. now you have continual flow a big advantage if you ever want to make any money generating electricity. I explain the use for produced gas and how to make the system ....
heald269 3 months ago
4th. resting in a pipe with a 3" ID. cut a section this pipe out in the top to allow waste to fall in the path of the piston connected to a ram or anything that will cycle the stroke forcefully enough to drive a waste plug stroke ending at flange of tapered pipe leaving a material plug to be pushed into your slowly rotating retort. plug will be replaced next stroke. The materials shoud be shredded no larger than 1" pieces smaller the better. Mount the ram motor on a stand, build a sheet
heald269 3 months ago
Read 3rd. the retort tube at the opposite end of the stack. Cut approx. a 3" dia hole in the center of opposite end. Insert a 3" dia x 6" L tube with a flange mid way to weld or bolt the 6"L tube in place. Remember it needs to be air tight. High temp sealer would work. This tube needs to be tapered approx. 5 degrees from flange to discharge end of tube inside the retort. This will ensure a air tight plug is always in place. You need a small hydraulic ram or method to cycle a 3" dia. piston...
heald269 3 months ago
Read 2nd. I am not sure what type of equipment you have access to and I can't tell you everything, you willl need to figure some out your own. I will keep you on the right track. Oh! this is distillation don't be stuck on wood. all materials with a molecular structure are easily converted, paper, plastics, robber, paints, oils, sludge, if it lives on this planet or lived on this planet it will convert. You need a small hydraulic ram or a way to push a piston with force to inject the waste into.
heald269 3 months ago
FUCK my ears!
a10fjet 4 months ago 2
the reason you would want to convert methane (natural gas) to methanol is that it can be transported and distributed with the same infrastructure as gasoline, and people are very familiar with gasoline (ie everybody has a gas can and gas tanks on their vehicle). The problem is that methanol only has about 65% of the btu's per gallon that gasoline has
mliebst9 4 months ago
@1mastang do you have a design for a continuous flow wood distiller?
mliebst9 4 months ago
Get some WD40 to stop the squeaky sound
TAYLOR13961 5 months ago
Never mind. I just watched the video again your using wood to reach operating temp. I don't suppose this is self-sustaining using the produced fuel, it's a long shot Ha! It's not a old process it's rudementary. No pun intended. Let me know if you want a few suggestions that would improve this drastically.
heald269 6 months ago
@heald269 Yes, I would like suggestions to improve my process,thank you.
ger261 6 months ago
read 1st. @heald269 Ok, I am not sure what the water is used for from the garden hose since it is non-combusting. The retort tube should be set on caster wheels horizontally like it is now, you need a gear driven motor or a way to rotate this tube slowly in a oven heated to 1,200 F. If wood will reach this temp it can be used as a heat source. For testing first you need open one end of your retort tube completely, make a steel flare stack with a hole in the side the retort will fit snugly into.
heald269 3 months ago
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To avoid confussion I have 2 accounts I also am Unibomber2u which you have replied. heald269 below is my comment. I am looking for assistance putting a 250 TPD Destructive Distillation Process in operation. This process can convert MSW, Plastics, Wood, Styrofoam, Rubber Tires, Medical Red Bag Hazardous Waste, Liquid Waste like motor oil, paint thinners etc. as you know very efficiently. Spklrs4u@hotmail.com
heald269 6 months ago
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ger261 I am very familiar with destructive distillation. I volunteered my time operating a 5 TPD Destructive Distillation Demonstration Facility of MSW very effectivly I have many suggestions that would improve your process if interested. If no natural gas is used how do you reach operating temp. to start the conversion? You can email me at spklrs4u@hotmail.com Greg
heald269 6 months ago
Wood Vinegar? OK, I give up used for what? Does it have a BTU rating or does vinegar have a BTU. How much wood can a wood chuck chuck. or how many pounds of wood did it take to produce a half a litre or so of this vinegar? The Char remains does not appear to have been more than 30 or 40% converted due to it's the size almost unchanged. This is from feed stock too large and now way to move material around in a low production batch fed stationary retort. Continual flow is the answer.
Unibomber2u 6 months ago
That's a big question for a difficult problem. I know how to convert multiple materials simultaneously on a continual flow process. Converting only coal for instance may pose problems. Garbage containing organics, Synthetics, Oil based materials such as plastics, styrofoam, ribber, with organics such as paper, cardboard, wood, and many others is best feed stock for this process. Would need to know your resources, experience and my compensation for your ability to produce electricity from waste..
Unibomber2u 6 months ago
Is this wood vinegar flammable ?
acharad 8 months ago
@acharad, no flammable.
ger261 8 months ago
That's quite a setup you've got there!
Do you think this would work if you put paper into it? I just so happen to have dozens of pounds of paper that I don't want to recycle or throw away. Recycling paper is bad for the environment and throwing it away would take up space in landfills. This could be a nice way of getting rid of it and making something useful from it, a new way to recycle paper.
yellowmetalcyborg 10 months ago
@yellowmetalcyborg ,I do not know,
never tried to do with paper, I will be doing an experiment goes well and post the video here.
ger261 10 months ago
Hi, very inspiring project!
Do the woods need to be dry? Will any kind of wood yield vinegar?
Is the piping passing through a basket of water?
I've noticed that one of the by-products(besides the liquid) were flowing out as gases. Were they CO2 and vapor?
thanks
depassaj 10 months ago
@depassaj ,Hi, thank you. the wood need not be too dry (20%).
yes,wood vinegar(acid acetic,after distillation).
There is a copper coil inside the basket of water
the gases are: CO,VAPOR, CO2,
ger261 10 months ago
@ger261 I thought he was adding water to the process. It must condensate with the methane from the distillation process to produce vinegar. This would account for the low BTU. Why not use some of the methane produced to heat the process and be self sustaining instead of using wood to convert wood? Not sure where this is taking place and don't know the economic availability of the parts for this to occur.
Unibomber2u 6 months ago
Neanderthal would be an understatement for this process. You still have not found the solution the basic concept is sound you havn't figured out yet how convert bio-mass into methane using this system on a continuous flow. I have the answer! Anybody interested in or familiar with destructive distillation or pyrolitic decomposition email me with your concept and/or experience If qualified I will give you the answer.
Unibomber2u 1 year ago
@Unibomber2u
Hello Dear,
I am from a very undeveloped area in Pakistan. please help me and guide me to the whole process of making Methanol from wood, or coal , or even natural gas?
How i can make a still to process wood or coal or natural gas in my home backyard.
Sir it will be a life changing moment for me any many of the people living in this area. God bless you and your family.
Regards,
1mastang 6 months ago
@1mastang I have comments listed above. Confussed in why would you want to convert natural gas to methanol? I would prefer Natural Gas due to the high BTU. My process may not be for your application as it is far more advanced and utilizes continual flow methods and devices not realized yet on any process I have seen on YouTube. Not even close. They don't take hints very well either like think rotating retort and a hydraulic ram for constant feed 24/7.
Unibomber2u 6 months ago
@Unibomber2u I am converting wood to methanol, through a process of very old and inefficient call "destructive destillation of wood", I do not use natural gas.
ger261 6 months ago
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Hello Dear,
I am from a very undeveloped area in Pakistan. please help me and guide me to the whole process of making Methanol from wood, or coal , or even natural gas?
How i can make a still to process wood or coal or natural gas in my home backyard.
Sir it will be a life changing moment for me any many of the people living in this area. God bless you and your family.
Regards,
1mastang 6 months ago
Great demonstration of retort process in a shoe string basis.
wallacewithoutgromit 1 year ago
What can you do with wood vinegar?
vmelkon 1 year ago
@vmelkon ,Vinegar has a job as an activator of composting, insectiside, below pH of chemical solutions for application in crops, with consequent decrease in the amount of pesticides used.
However, if you do a fractional distillation of vinegar will get:
-Methanol
-Acetic acid
-Tar
and over 100 other products that I can not remember now.
thanks,
Danilo
ger261 1 year ago
@ger261
So you still have to distill the vinegar to get methanol, What is your methanol to wood ratio, how much wood does it take to make a gallon of methanol
LakeErieFising 9 months ago