He lost quite a bit as well, not to mention the morale of his men. They simply lost momentum here, and it was the starting point for the downfall of Alexander's empire.
I read about this battle, and then rushed to RTW to play the historical battle of it, now that I knew what tactics were used by both sides in the battle, but then realized that they didn't set one up for Zama. Pretty cool vid
@HptmSteinhauer Except you forgot to show the Roman cavalry chasing off the Carthaginian cavalry, then coming back to slaughter the Carthaginian infantry from behind
@Morran09 Other than those comments, I really enjoyed your vid. It was quite inspiring, and I'm going to go play some RTW now myself. Anotheer thing...you should consider downloading Rome Total Realism. Either the Platinum version, or the Fate of Empires one. Both are excellent in recreating historical battles. And I'm sorry for the spelling errors. I am trying to type quickly lol
@Morran09 I recognize the hard work and effort you have put into this. I would like to point out, however, that the formation the romans used in ur vid was the exact opposite of the one the used in real life. The didnt use a checkerboard formation, they used lones with gaps in between. They then scared the elephants through those gaps and eventually back at the carithaginian army. Very few romans died from the wlephants. The carthaginian force was set up into three lines. The first consisted of
Which was a brilliant strategy by Scipio, and perhaps Alexander could've been more successful in India against Porus had he done what Scipio did; use horns and gaps in his formation to frighten the elephants so they would run the other way, or through the gaps and leave his forces relatively unharmed. Alexander could've possibly made it further if it hadn't been for his "Pyrrhic victories" in India, which caused a loss of morale among his army.
i thought the romans made passages for the elephants to go through and killed em off with skirmishers and made then run back into hannibal..didnt scipio studying hannibals tactics and copy them in this battle
this was highly inacurate. first off, the elephants weren't killed, they were simply bypassed in a special formation and left alone. also, the romans had no calvary, nor did they recruit any on their way to zama; their calvary had been wiped out at cannae.
that is incorrect the majority of the eliphants were ither killed or scared into stampede apon the Carthaginian troops an the cavalry was supplied by the numidian allies who had defected from Carthaginian rule.
1st off the Romans had more Cavarly than the Carthagians for the 1st time. In the lead up to the battle both sides spent time trying to get Cavarly. Hannibal stayed on the Coast hoping, and suceeding, to lure a Numdian horse lord to supple him with 2000 of his finest men. Scipio march his way towards the Numdiuan capital in order to sercue his Cavarly. Hannibal set out trying to chase him down but Scipio just managed to reach his support 1st the battle happen a few days later
In battle of Zama the romans haven't got cohorts. Only hastati, principes, triarii, velites and cavalry support. The carthaginian army consists of 3 rings. First is with elephants, second is with gaul mercenares, and third is with elite poeni infantry.
during the battle of Zama there were no legionary cohorts with the lorica segmentata & praetorian guard, u should have used hastati in the 1st line, principes in the 2nd & triarii in the 3rd, supported by cavalry & velites.
yes but Scipio had a very flexibale formation that would be hard to show in this game format. He had those troops but deployed them unusally, yet effectively, in this battle.
Hannibal asked more power to destroy rome , he asked from Carthage Parliament senat, which strongly rejects categorically wars of Hannibal , Because Carthage
Was originally a Commercial civilization, not military expansionist
familly Barca think seriously about the danger of this new city in the other side ( rome )
Hannibal asked more power to destroy rome , he asked from Carthage Parliament senat, which strongly rejects categorically wars of Hannibal , Because Carthage
Was originally a Commercial civilization, not military expansionist
familly Barca think seriously about the danger of this new city in the other side ( rome )
Umm at the Battle of Zama Scipio put his army into straight columns because the Carthaginians trained their elephants to run in straight lines instead of the normal checkerboard formation. Also the Romans had inferior cavalry so Scipio enticed the superior Carthaginian cavalry to chase the Roman cavalry throughout the battle, giving the superior Roman infantry the opportunity to attack the inferior Carthaginian infantry without fear of enemy cavalry. The Romans would not use cohorts until 105 BC
Back the front sorry, Hannibal had more infantry and Scipoi had more Cavarly. After the elephants rout their own Cavarly the romans chased them from the battle field giving Hannibal's larger infantry force a chance to try and attack. Scipio had a smaller army but most of Hannibal's troops were new lievies and not train very well. Hannibal's vetran troops (the 3rd line) were roughly the same size as Scipio's army
Also, the roman army would have been much better equiped, Every Principe and Triarii would have been equiped with chain armor, a bronze helmet and an iron gladius, whereas the carthegininans typically wore no armor and used smaller round shields instead of the huge Roman shields.
Now, granted, if the romans were bogged down all this equipment would actually work against them, making them tire faster, but on the attack, give them an inch and they were unstoppable.
Well, the thing with the roman battle formation was that it was a lot more mobile than contemporary formations.
The phalanx is very powerful, but it can only go in one direction. Once you've fixed it on the front, you can then engage it in the flanks with cavalry or light troops and cut it to ribbons. They didn't work like the swiss pike squares and could only face 1 direction at a time.
So they still needed to be engaged from the front by the Hastati.
True at the start of the battle it was the Hasti up front. By the time Hannibal's 3rd wave hit the Roman lines the Triaii formed the center with the Hasti and Pricapis flanking them to stop Hannibal's longer 3rd line from envolping them.
the only problem with this is that when the army with the elephants crossed over some mountains only ONE elephant survived the journey because it was so cold
i still gave you a 5/5 for your efforts in this vid. it's obvious you took quite a lot of time making this vid. it's not that easy to get elephants to run amok and still have some left over to charge them into your own men haha :)
where did you read the facts of zama from? scipio never took anything to lure hannibal's elephants. hannibal sent them. and boy, scipio's "plan to surround the elephants" really worked well here. it seems the romans lost half of their infantry from the charge of the elephants. scipio made the formation so that the elephants would charge through gaps made by the roman maniples, and the light infantry would throw their javelins at the elephants and defeat them.
wtf 4 legions make up 40,000 men?? one legion is usually at most 6,000 total. and carthage NEVER USED ANYTHING CALLED LEGIONS they didn't even have 80,000. they had roughly 50,000 total. most historians say roman losses at maybe 4,000 casualties total. at least 4,000 carthaginians along with hannibal were able to escape the battle. the casualty list is all wrong. but watever fuc the facts. otherwise, nice vid.
after Zama Hannibal returned to Carthage and was elected into the governing council. He helped accrue the funds needed so Carthage could pay Rome. Eventually he was forced to leave Carthage. He travelled East, sometimes joining kings in their (futile) wars against Rome. Rome caught up to him and demanded those kings to surrender Hannibal.
actually he did get to turkey (syria), and teamed up with antiochus. but with rome invading the seleucids, hannibal went on the run again and just suicided.
the carthagenian army was moslty composed of numidians(infantry, light/heavy cavalry, archers, slingers, elephant drivers)( the iberians and gaul joined after they were defeated...) plus carthagenians got the support of the numidan royal cavalry wich was the most powerful cavalry at this time.
Numidians participated in all battles and punic wars then they kicked carthagenian asses. Zama is located in the numidan territory at this time. if carthage was destroyed, cuz they messed up with numidians
The vetrans from either Hannibal's or Scipio's army would've been a match for any Spartan. With Hannibals Vetrans some having 20+ years solely fighting and Scipio men having about 14 or 15 years of experiance and being drilled very hard by him. The Spartans were just men who trained alot and got very good at there poffesion, here are other men who have done the same, would be a very even fight.
3/4 of movie is wrong... and Marhaba'al said Hanibaal you know how to gain victory but not how to use is after battle of Canae.... dude learn some history
as balac said, second pic is the statue called Augusto di Prima Porta. next picture was of legonaries form after the marius reform, ca 101 BC. the battle of zama was BEFORE the marius reform, 202 BC. beside ingame, you use post-marius units like legionary cohorts+urbarn cohorts together with pre-marius units like hastati.. the units of that time was hastati, principis and triarii..
I know how tricky it is to recreate historical battles, but you should try to use the correct soilders and pics ;)
Tempest75 you are not that accurate either, "carthage did not lose that many men" carthaginian strength was approx 50,000,of which 20,000 were killed and another 10,000 wounded,and most of the remainder captured.
The second statue you show on your video is NOT Scipio but the emperor Augustus 170 years after zama.I suggest you take some remedial classes in ancient history.
That was incredibley inaccurate; Scipio's army formed channels to let the elephants pass. Scipio also had an army that was an Acer triplex, so he didn't have regular legionaries under his command, which means no Urban chohorts or any cohorts at all. The Romans at that time used the maniple formation. Most of the elephants just wandered off somewhere, although some did run into Carthaginian lines. There were no skirmishes in that battle. Carthage did not lose that many men. This movie sucked.
Well it was pretty historically inexact and it could have been made better, even with the limited RTW engine, but overall I liked it. Loved the music as well
Where the hell did you get the battle facts from? The elephants did not run into the roman infantry, infact, THE ELEPHANTS RAN THROUGH THE FORMATION LINES, I.E ELEPHANTS RUN ONLY IN STRAIGHT LINES AND SO THE ROMAN FORMATION MEANT THE ELEPHANTS RAN STRAIGHT THROUGH THE GAPS CREATED IN THE RANKS!!! The elephants, stranded, were then attacked...
Why have u got a picture of Augustus' statue of Prima Porta at the start, when it's talkhing about Scipio?? Kinda before his time!! And also, the first guy (when introducing Hannibal) is clearly Roman...I'm pretty sure it's Hadrian. WAAAAAAY Wrong!
hey...why did you partially make your army up of legionaries? they didn exist at the time..you should have just stuck to the pre-Marius troop and btw, loved the battle and the last music piece
Please use better grammar! "It were now time that he and Hannibal were gonna crash." That error showed up more than once. Are you not english speaking or what? And that word was probably meant to be clash. :/
Well yeah, but we dont REALLY know how many there were! Diff. sources contradict each other, and u have to factor exaggeraion into it - a comparison is saying that Xerxes invasion force to Greece in the 300'sBC was a MILLION men. That can't be true, the logistics of moving and supplying a million guys is ludicrous.
Hence, exaggeration has to be taken into account.
But to be fair, im just happy theres so many people taking an interest in this! :D:D:D:DXD
Well your video is awesome but where did you find the sources for this battle?The Romans didh't have so many dead they had only 1500 dead and 4000 wounded
This video is historically inaccurate, has a terrible soundtrack, and, worst of all...th person can't spell...soround, throwed! and runned amock!!! ...lame-O!
Scipii didn't exist in the real life, Scipio was the name of the family and belonged to House of Biatunus or some other house... Don't remember IRL they had Red Armor!
Scipii didn't exist in the real life, Scipio was the name of the family and belonged to House of Biatunus or some other house... Don't remember IRL they had Red Armor!
Scipii didn't exist in the real life, Scipio was the name of the family and belonged to House of Biatunus or some other house... Don't remember IRL they had Red Armor!
Scipio also used trumpets to scare the elephants - he doesn't get enought credit, even later in his life he was ostricized by the Roman senate. Actually Hannibal's army started to get the upper hand before Scipio called back his cavalry, who were chasing the elephants, to attack from the rear - then the Romans kicked the shit out of them. Cool video, especially the music - I'll be gettin' high on the beach with clonecommando50...
heres the true story,first hannibal sent in his elephants but the romans fromed a formation of huge trenches of death which the elephants were too stupid to know how to get out so they ran amok into there own troops and then the roman legions attacked and completely tushed hannibals army and hannibal was tracked down in turkey and poisened himself,what a spazzy ass
there was misteak in the video like the roman had calvary too and that not not the way the roman take out the elephant and the elephant didn't run amok they run into their own trop because they were inexperince and carthage had calvary of it's own Hannibal never died carthage also hade three lines but other than than great video
Tombotthebomb, Hannibal was a genius, you aren't, don't be jaleous. BTW, i know you made some faults, YES, Scipio was ugly ( look at scipio's eyes, they are weird shiney.
The Scipio thing is still okey, but i found it weird to see legionary cohorts in battle,... perhaps you could make another one (unless you already did)
thats because he was playing with the rules of war rome should have surrendered better to have a person to beg for surrender thn sack there city and kill them all whats the name of this song
well, it's not very accurate: during the second punic war there were no legionnaires! you should have used only hastati, principes and triarii as infantry!
and the elephants caused to much damage to the romans but i know that you cannot really controll that!
Yes, LoL, I have thinking on moving on to make a new battle Of Zama, This one didn't be really as it was anyway! ... Hope you'll see that one when it comes out
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mindarinas 1 month ago
Hannibal knew to get the vicotry,but no use it (Maharbal) no Scipio
gallinoloca 2 months ago
The Romans throwed spears at the elephants....right? fail
supernova1019100 4 months ago
@sorrypom
He lost quite a bit as well, not to mention the morale of his men. They simply lost momentum here, and it was the starting point for the downfall of Alexander's empire.
DandBMonk 7 months ago
the music killed it
NLPaganBlood 9 months ago
Yes it was truely a shattering defeat for Hannibal and the Carthaginians.
SynthJocky 1 year ago
I read about this battle, and then rushed to RTW to play the historical battle of it, now that I knew what tactics were used by both sides in the battle, but then realized that they didn't set one up for Zama. Pretty cool vid
HptmSteinhauer 1 year ago
@HptmSteinhauer Except you forgot to show the Roman cavalry chasing off the Carthaginian cavalry, then coming back to slaughter the Carthaginian infantry from behind
HptmSteinhauer 1 year ago
I did a reinactment too :). Nice job.
Olekander 1 year ago
brilliant vid, good music and class the way you used rome total war :)
Ninjakiller108 1 year ago
@Morran09 Other than those comments, I really enjoyed your vid. It was quite inspiring, and I'm going to go play some RTW now myself. Anotheer thing...you should consider downloading Rome Total Realism. Either the Platinum version, or the Fate of Empires one. Both are excellent in recreating historical battles. And I'm sorry for the spelling errors. I am trying to type quickly lol
HannibleBonaparte 1 year ago
@Morran09 I recognize the hard work and effort you have put into this. I would like to point out, however, that the formation the romans used in ur vid was the exact opposite of the one the used in real life. The didnt use a checkerboard formation, they used lones with gaps in between. They then scared the elephants through those gaps and eventually back at the carithaginian army. Very few romans died from the wlephants. The carthaginian force was set up into three lines. The first consisted of
HannibleBonaparte 1 year ago
@HannibleBonaparte
Which was a brilliant strategy by Scipio, and perhaps Alexander could've been more successful in India against Porus had he done what Scipio did; use horns and gaps in his formation to frighten the elephants so they would run the other way, or through the gaps and leave his forces relatively unharmed. Alexander could've possibly made it further if it hadn't been for his "Pyrrhic victories" in India, which caused a loss of morale among his army.
DandBMonk 1 year ago
you should have played with Scipii family...not Julii.
TheStiffmeister14 1 year ago
:D its outlandish
DK684 1 year ago
BATTLE OF OZAMA!
Hyddan92 1 year ago
a lie is there no he doensn't fled to turkey but to carthage and comitted suicide
phoenixking321 2 years ago
@phoenixking321
I thought he got heavily drunk and died having sex with a sexy little minx of a girl.
phillitupp 1 year ago
@phillitupp lol
phoenixking321 1 year ago
@phillitupp lol good way to go
zenoist2 1 year ago
thanks :)
2misterA 2 years ago
Who is opponant? CPU or real playeR?
Olekander 2 years ago
I've just done that myself ! It's cool!
Olekander 2 years ago
ur stupid, charging legionarys into a phlalanx, i play as greeks and thats how i shit on the romans
dhuuhd3 2 years ago
triarii, hastati and princeps only, my friend. infantry-wise.
FabianBajorat 2 years ago
@FabianBajorat I've done a historically accurate battle myself, It's on my profile if you want.
Olekander 2 years ago
Very good but i'd use the historical troops next time
halo101112 2 years ago
ooo wwee grammar son grammar
animewarrior3 2 years ago
you need to work on your grammer a tad little bit there... ;)
jediknightaj 2 years ago
i thought the romans made passages for the elephants to go through and killed em off with skirmishers and made then run back into hannibal..didnt scipio studying hannibals tactics and copy them in this battle
xALFADOGx 2 years ago
you are correct, the romans reportedly did break their lines seconds before impact
UL439 2 years ago
yes, but it's hard to remake the battle in this game, he did a pretty good job, exept the grammar.
sennog3 2 years ago
yeah, but try to do that on RTW it would be fairly imposible
SuperCrazyPollo 2 years ago
Nice vid. You just missed that the soldiers made a hole so the elephants ran right throught. But it would be hard to make because its a game.
But good
Vid 5 stars
TheDBZ123 2 years ago
good =)
davideforzalazio92 2 years ago
ur bvideo is takticla bullshit the elephants didnt charge hanibals lines
the scipios let their soldiers turn into lines so elephants would jus pass them and not go right at them
bleushift 2 years ago
I was at Zama, and ALL of you are WRONG!
wolfofthewhitemt 2 years ago
this was highly inacurate. first off, the elephants weren't killed, they were simply bypassed in a special formation and left alone. also, the romans had no calvary, nor did they recruit any on their way to zama; their calvary had been wiped out at cannae.
angusfan11347 2 years ago
that is incorrect the majority of the eliphants were ither killed or scared into stampede apon the Carthaginian troops an the cavalry was supplied by the numidian allies who had defected from Carthaginian rule.
TheHalycon 2 years ago
1st off the Romans had more Cavarly than the Carthagians for the 1st time. In the lead up to the battle both sides spent time trying to get Cavarly. Hannibal stayed on the Coast hoping, and suceeding, to lure a Numdian horse lord to supple him with 2000 of his finest men. Scipio march his way towards the Numdiuan capital in order to sercue his Cavarly. Hannibal set out trying to chase him down but Scipio just managed to reach his support 1st the battle happen a few days later
thepunictrader 2 years ago
nice gladiator musik ^^
kemde13 2 years ago
In battle of Zama the romans haven't got cohorts. Only hastati, principes, triarii, velites and cavalry support. The carthaginian army consists of 3 rings. First is with elephants, second is with gaul mercenares, and third is with elite poeni infantry.
go0shky 2 years ago
gay
narekjuu 2 years ago
lol why is he gay?:P
masterdildo9 2 years ago
no bro I mean the song
narekjuu 2 years ago
mate...
why didnt u chose the scipii faction? that would be more realistic
btw nice movie
masterdildo9 2 years ago
The romans had another tactic to elliminate the elephants.
Master666555 2 years ago
during the battle of Zama there were no legionary cohorts with the lorica segmentata & praetorian guard, u should have used hastati in the 1st line, principes in the 2nd & triarii in the 3rd, supported by cavalry & velites.
Suppressingfire 2 years ago 14
yes but Scipio had a very flexibale formation that would be hard to show in this game format. He had those troops but deployed them unusally, yet effectively, in this battle.
thepunictrader 2 years ago
@Suppressingfire
Where did you read that? Polybius?
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Hannibal asked more power to destroy rome , he asked from Carthage Parliament senat, which strongly rejects categorically wars of Hannibal , Because Carthage
Was originally a Commercial civilization, not military expansionist
familly Barca think seriously about the danger of this new city in the other side ( rome )
it was a mistake blatantly political
and was zig seriously existence to Carthage
TheLastfuture 2 years ago
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Hannibal asked more power to destroy rome , he asked from Carthage Parliament senat, which strongly rejects categorically wars of Hannibal , Because Carthage
Was originally a Commercial civilization, not military expansionist
familly Barca think seriously about the danger of this new city in the other side ( rome )
it was a mistake blatantly political
and was zig seriously existence to Carthage
TheLastfuture 2 years ago
Umm at the Battle of Zama Scipio put his army into straight columns because the Carthaginians trained their elephants to run in straight lines instead of the normal checkerboard formation. Also the Romans had inferior cavalry so Scipio enticed the superior Carthaginian cavalry to chase the Roman cavalry throughout the battle, giving the superior Roman infantry the opportunity to attack the inferior Carthaginian infantry without fear of enemy cavalry. The Romans would not use cohorts until 105 BC
LieutenantDan726 2 years ago
Back the front sorry, Hannibal had more infantry and Scipoi had more Cavarly. After the elephants rout their own Cavarly the romans chased them from the battle field giving Hannibal's larger infantry force a chance to try and attack. Scipio had a smaller army but most of Hannibal's troops were new lievies and not train very well. Hannibal's vetran troops (the 3rd line) were roughly the same size as Scipio's army
thepunictrader 2 years ago
Also, the roman army would have been much better equiped, Every Principe and Triarii would have been equiped with chain armor, a bronze helmet and an iron gladius, whereas the carthegininans typically wore no armor and used smaller round shields instead of the huge Roman shields.
Now, granted, if the romans were bogged down all this equipment would actually work against them, making them tire faster, but on the attack, give them an inch and they were unstoppable.
Unwardil 2 years ago
unless you were stupid and deliberately ran them straight into a trained phalanx
XcowboybuttsexX 2 years ago
Well, the thing with the roman battle formation was that it was a lot more mobile than contemporary formations.
The phalanx is very powerful, but it can only go in one direction. Once you've fixed it on the front, you can then engage it in the flanks with cavalry or light troops and cut it to ribbons. They didn't work like the swiss pike squares and could only face 1 direction at a time.
So they still needed to be engaged from the front by the Hastati.
Unwardil 2 years ago
you should have not used the triarii in the front lines since the triarii was the legion's last resort...
Janforth04 2 years ago
True at the start of the battle it was the Hasti up front. By the time Hannibal's 3rd wave hit the Roman lines the Triaii formed the center with the Hasti and Pricapis flanking them to stop Hannibal's longer 3rd line from envolping them.
thepunictrader 2 years ago
dude get your facts right! The roman army didn't get reformed before 105 bc.
benj1709 2 years ago
-Why did you used imperial legionaries and not the republicans?
-Where are the javelinners?
-Hanibal had 50000 sodiers.
Scipio0987 2 years ago
the only problem with this is that when the army with the elephants crossed over some mountains only ONE elephant survived the journey because it was so cold
chastvalex 2 years ago
what name is on that song ?
77CHRONICLES 2 years ago
what is with the mexican music?
dont confuse latin with mexican!
the music is so out of full context of the video
bugsy101073 2 years ago
hahahaha mexicans
johngranie 2 years ago
Scipio opened gaps in his formation that the elephants ran through, then he picked them off using velites.
Also why are you using imperial legions? Where are the hastati and principes?
And what's with the crappy Mexican music?
Nightmonkey17 2 years ago 3
The numbers are bad and the elephants charge.... romans were 2 legions and they've got numidian support
Aprendiz473 2 years ago
Your try to recreate has failed, you should've lowered the elephant defence to 0 to get them to die at impact of the javelins.
jakobthenpp 2 years ago
Eso esta mal porque escipion dejo pasar a los elefantes no se llevaron puesto a ningun soldado
mauromartin79 3 years ago
i think you are using post marian troops
scipio had the old style roman army
janak19771977 3 years ago
They are named javelins not spears.
The Elephants run in panic.
The song from the "Gladiator"
Enya - Now we are free
Lubben 3 years ago
Not Crash you SON OF BITCH!
Fujitsu345 3 years ago
i still gave you a 5/5 for your efforts in this vid. it's obvious you took quite a lot of time making this vid. it's not that easy to get elephants to run amok and still have some left over to charge them into your own men haha :)
CoJs1stInf 3 years ago
where did you read the facts of zama from? scipio never took anything to lure hannibal's elephants. hannibal sent them. and boy, scipio's "plan to surround the elephants" really worked well here. it seems the romans lost half of their infantry from the charge of the elephants. scipio made the formation so that the elephants would charge through gaps made by the roman maniples, and the light infantry would throw their javelins at the elephants and defeat them.
CoJs1stInf 3 years ago
wtf 4 legions make up 40,000 men?? one legion is usually at most 6,000 total. and carthage NEVER USED ANYTHING CALLED LEGIONS they didn't even have 80,000. they had roughly 50,000 total. most historians say roman losses at maybe 4,000 casualties total. at least 4,000 carthaginians along with hannibal were able to escape the battle. the casualty list is all wrong. but watever fuc the facts. otherwise, nice vid.
CoJs1stInf 3 years ago
The romans had 20,000 units in the field and 50,000 carthaginians were there at Zama. But wasn't Scipio called Antonius Scipio and not Cornelius.
Kippenbestaan 3 years ago
wait scipio was called "Publius Cornelius Scipio Jr. a.k.a. Scipio Africanus", wasn't he?
CoJs1stInf 3 years ago
after Zama Hannibal returned to Carthage and was elected into the governing council. He helped accrue the funds needed so Carthage could pay Rome. Eventually he was forced to leave Carthage. He travelled East, sometimes joining kings in their (futile) wars against Rome. Rome caught up to him and demanded those kings to surrender Hannibal.
hollywoodwerewolf 3 years ago
he attempted to get to turkey but he was surrounded by romans searching for him and killed himself in some woods near greece.
ultradumbass 3 years ago
actually he did get to turkey (syria), and teamed up with antiochus. but with rome invading the seleucids, hannibal went on the run again and just suicided.
CoJs1stInf 3 years ago
nice vid., exept for your spelling :p
how is that song from "gladiator" called again??
apie1511 3 years ago
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this music is terrible!
KenBalboJones 3 years ago
Sorry if your dyslexic - no offence intended.
tkloken 3 years ago
Nice recreation but learn to spell mate
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ahamj989 3 years ago
you are alll reallllly gay
mathison747 3 years ago
numidian was divided into eastern and western at this time.. one fighting for rome and one for carthage
keijishin 3 years ago
Since when were the Numidians in this battle?
LOL
monkaboy 3 years ago
Since the battle took place ? Its a well known fact the Carthiginians had elite Nubian mercinaries
dardo1201 3 years ago
From what I know they weren't on horseback.
:<
monkaboy 3 years ago
dude dont confuse numidians with nubians
the carthagenian army was moslty composed of numidians(infantry, light/heavy cavalry, archers, slingers, elephant drivers)( the iberians and gaul joined after they were defeated...) plus carthagenians got the support of the numidan royal cavalry wich was the most powerful cavalry at this time.
newnumide 2 years ago
what
Numidians participated in all battles and punic wars then they kicked carthagenian asses. Zama is located in the numidan territory at this time. if carthage was destroyed, cuz they messed up with numidians
newnumide 2 years ago
none of them could stand sparta
jak1738 3 years ago
The vetrans from either Hannibal's or Scipio's army would've been a match for any Spartan. With Hannibals Vetrans some having 20+ years solely fighting and Scipio men having about 14 or 15 years of experiance and being drilled very hard by him. The Spartans were just men who trained alot and got very good at there poffesion, here are other men who have done the same, would be a very even fight.
thepunictrader 2 years ago
hmm cool vid
but you couldn't really use 50,000 men right? i thought rome total war only supported up to 10,000?
so how did you do it?
jsjuno 3 years ago
he didnt u prat
Trussy93 3 years ago
3/4 of movie is wrong... and Marhaba'al said Hanibaal you know how to gain victory but not how to use is after battle of Canae.... dude learn some history
IvaRoglic 3 years ago
What does a quote from a Cavalry comand 14 years before hand have to do with what happened in this battle.
thepunictrader 2 years ago
At the time Scipio would have had a manipule legion i.e Hastati-Princepes-Triarii
RTWXilef 3 years ago
those figures are very inacurate and plus thats not what happened with the elephants and skirmishes were not used that battle
charbelee 3 years ago
Elephants were used in the battle of Zama as were light troops
thepunictrader 2 years ago
as balac said, second pic is the statue called Augusto di Prima Porta. next picture was of legonaries form after the marius reform, ca 101 BC. the battle of zama was BEFORE the marius reform, 202 BC. beside ingame, you use post-marius units like legionary cohorts+urbarn cohorts together with pre-marius units like hastati.. the units of that time was hastati, principis and triarii..
I know how tricky it is to recreate historical battles, but you should try to use the correct soilders and pics ;)
Bjarkson 3 years ago 2
Tempest75 you are not that accurate either, "carthage did not lose that many men" carthaginian strength was approx 50,000,of which 20,000 were killed and another 10,000 wounded,and most of the remainder captured.
balacsandnorveil 3 years ago
i meant that morran's numbers were inaccurate
tempest705 3 years ago
The second statue you show on your video is NOT Scipio but the emperor Augustus 170 years after zama.I suggest you take some remedial classes in ancient history.
balacsandnorveil 3 years ago
wat
WdoubleM 3 years ago
That was a pretty good job for how hard the task was
TheKaiMan123 3 years ago
it was maharbal who said hannibal knew how to gain a victory but not how to use it check it man serieusly
mikeyboy777777 3 years ago
That was incredibley inaccurate; Scipio's army formed channels to let the elephants pass. Scipio also had an army that was an Acer triplex, so he didn't have regular legionaries under his command, which means no Urban chohorts or any cohorts at all. The Romans at that time used the maniple formation. Most of the elephants just wandered off somewhere, although some did run into Carthaginian lines. There were no skirmishes in that battle. Carthage did not lose that many men. This movie sucked.
tempest705 3 years ago 3
Wtf? romans had hastai/principe/triarii army then, not urbans.
lolzobot 3 years ago 6
Well it was pretty historically inexact and it could have been made better, even with the limited RTW engine, but overall I liked it. Loved the music as well
Flood0923 3 years ago
This video was awesome.however,the mucsic was kinda bad,and the wording was,to me,not very understandable.good vid,though.
carthagertw 3 years ago
what are you, like 4?
you can't spell
cjskinz 3 years ago
Where the hell did you get the battle facts from? The elephants did not run into the roman infantry, infact, THE ELEPHANTS RAN THROUGH THE FORMATION LINES, I.E ELEPHANTS RUN ONLY IN STRAIGHT LINES AND SO THE ROMAN FORMATION MEANT THE ELEPHANTS RAN STRAIGHT THROUGH THE GAPS CREATED IN THE RANKS!!! The elephants, stranded, were then attacked...
Go and Read it...
bengalboy2008 3 years ago 2
Now, what you say is true, but it's impossible to recreate that in Rome Total War.
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
I had been wondering how somebody would attempt to do it, maybe if you used entire units and made the formation using them...
Flood0923 3 years ago
Well, possibly
JohanRegus12 3 years ago
Also, ur grammar is fucking terrible! If ur not less than five, u have serious problems.
onebeaat 3 years ago
Maybe his English isn't fluent or native.
cambrasmacho 3 years ago
Why have u got a picture of Augustus' statue of Prima Porta at the start, when it's talkhing about Scipio?? Kinda before his time!! And also, the first guy (when introducing Hannibal) is clearly Roman...I'm pretty sure it's Hadrian. WAAAAAAY Wrong!
onebeaat 3 years ago
nice song but it doesnt fit for this vid
Razorsharp97 3 years ago
hey...why did you partially make your army up of legionaries? they didn exist at the time..you should have just stuck to the pre-Marius troop and btw, loved the battle and the last music piece
deviantillac 3 years ago
worst fucking choice of music
Tyrfingr 3 years ago
1st u misspelled Carthaginians
and he didn't have 80k troops
he had 55k deployed and lost 45k including half of them dead.
10k were able to escape back to Carthage
GREAT BATTLE THOUGH!
i tried recreating battles but had a hard time controlling both sides
deserves a 5/5 still
CchadPpherd 3 years ago
Please use better grammar! "It were now time that he and Hannibal were gonna crash." That error showed up more than once. Are you not english speaking or what? And that word was probably meant to be clash. :/
jason3458 3 years ago
first song is "I only ask of god" - outlandish
Trewolski 3 years ago
first song is "I only ask of god" - outlandish
Trewolski 3 years ago
who is this stupid?
hannibal had just 20.000 soldiers
not 50.000
IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!
patrasc 3 years ago
he had 37.000
ur both idiots
Clinuxxx 3 years ago
Well yeah, but we dont REALLY know how many there were! Diff. sources contradict each other, and u have to factor exaggeraion into it - a comparison is saying that Xerxes invasion force to Greece in the 300'sBC was a MILLION men. That can't be true, the logistics of moving and supplying a million guys is ludicrous.
Hence, exaggeration has to be taken into account.
But to be fair, im just happy theres so many people taking an interest in this! :D:D:D:DXD
onebeaat 3 years ago
The song starts at about 4th min is "Gladiator-now we are free" :D
iijyyy 3 years ago
What's the song
xScorpioN12x 3 years ago
ya wat is this song
MushroomheadSlipKnoT 3 years ago
I only ask of God!
Morran09 3 years ago
thanks bud
MushroomheadSlipKnoT 3 years ago
thanks bud
MushroomheadSlipKnoT 3 years ago
thanks bud
MushroomheadSlipKnoT 3 years ago
thanks bud
MushroomheadSlipKnoT 3 years ago
Very Very Good Song Choice.
MushroomheadSlipKnoT 3 years ago
I only ask of God!
Morran09 3 years ago
I only ask of God!
Morran09 3 years ago
Well your video is awesome but where did you find the sources for this battle?The Romans didh't have so many dead they had only 1500 dead and 4000 wounded
xScorpioN12x 3 years ago
This video is historically inaccurate, has a terrible soundtrack, and, worst of all...th person can't spell...soround, throwed! and runned amock!!! ...lame-O!
Obakesensei 3 years ago
Who were the Chartaginians? LOL
theliberator1 3 years ago
Why didnt you be the House of Scipi, would be more detailed, but nice music and nice vid.
tkloken 4 years ago
Scipii didn't exist in the real life, Scipio was the name of the family and belonged to House of Biatunus or some other house... Don't remember IRL they had Red Armor!
Morran09 4 years ago
Scipii didn't exist in the real life, Scipio was the name of the family and belonged to House of Biatunus or some other house... Don't remember IRL they had Red Armor!
Morran09 4 years ago
Scipii didn't exist in the real life, Scipio was the name of the family and belonged to House of Biatunus or some other house... Don't remember IRL they had Red Armor!
Morran09 4 years ago
it did it was just the time of cornelius scipio
RTWhero 4 years ago
Scipio also used trumpets to scare the elephants - he doesn't get enought credit, even later in his life he was ostricized by the Roman senate. Actually Hannibal's army started to get the upper hand before Scipio called back his cavalry, who were chasing the elephants, to attack from the rear - then the Romans kicked the shit out of them. Cool video, especially the music - I'll be gettin' high on the beach with clonecommando50...
cooperluck 4 years ago
heres the true story,first hannibal sent in his elephants but the romans fromed a formation of huge trenches of death which the elephants were too stupid to know how to get out so they ran amok into there own troops and then the roman legions attacked and completely tushed hannibals army and hannibal was tracked down in turkey and poisened himself,what a spazzy ass
mentalmidgie 4 years ago
You left out "Knew" in the First Quote
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Warlord0567 4 years ago
there was misteak in the video like the roman had calvary too and that not not the way the roman take out the elephant and the elephant didn't run amok they run into their own trop because they were inexperince and carthage had calvary of it's own Hannibal never died carthage also hade three lines but other than than great video
deltora13 4 years ago
Numidian Cav was supposed to be the Roman lol
Morran09 4 years ago
Please use PRE-MARIUS units and music that doesn't make me wanna get high on the beach...
CloneCommander50 4 years ago
Tombotthebomb, Hannibal was a genius, you aren't, don't be jaleous. BTW, i know you made some faults, YES, Scipio was ugly ( look at scipio's eyes, they are weird shiney.
The Scipio thing is still okey, but i found it weird to see legionary cohorts in battle,... perhaps you could make another one (unless you already did)
hannibalz0r 4 years ago
at the zama battle ,the legonaries dont used , the roman army was makes with hastati and principes triari , velit ...
Typhus2003 4 years ago
I know, but you call a typical roman army a "legion".
Titanium267 4 years ago
wich version is this off Rome Total War
Polie9600 4 years ago
First
Morran09 4 years ago
They Shouldve attack while the elephants are wrecking havoc on the Roman line
ocelot16000 4 years ago
I believe it was more than 4 legions since one legion concists of 5.000-7.000 men. It would at least be 5-6 legions.
Titanium267 4 years ago
thats because he was playing with the rules of war rome should have surrendered better to have a person to beg for surrender thn sack there city and kill them all whats the name of this song
scotswahhae1984 4 years ago
it's not scipio but massinissa how gain the battle.Scipio gain the war...
lobnaabla 4 years ago
"Hannibal knew how to gain a Victory, But not how to use it." - Gauis Scipio or something
Morran09 4 years ago
im sick of hanibal hes a gay poor guy from africa
Tombothebomb 4 years ago
the second statue was the one of Emperor Augustus not Scipio
EmperorDragosh 4 years ago
I KNOW! But ffs! Scipio is ugly!
Morran09 4 years ago
well, it's not very accurate: during the second punic war there were no legionnaires! you should have used only hastati, principes and triarii as infantry!
and the elephants caused to much damage to the romans but i know that you cannot really controll that!
Quallenkrauler 4 years ago
Yes, LoL, I have thinking on moving on to make a new battle Of Zama, This one didn't be really as it was anyway! ... Hope you'll see that one when it comes out
Morran09 4 years ago
If you see he use all kinds of romans :P
He uses both legionnaires, hastati, principes and triarii.
Titanium267 4 years ago
yes but these legionnaires didn't exist at this tme!
Quallenkrauler 4 years ago