VN Commodore & Falcon EA in Market Competition | 1988

[aurnob]

omg the vn looks fkn ugly with is plastic rims

[lkPractical90]

Well I disagree with the "bogan" comments.

The VN got the same fuel economy as the Camry but was vastly more powerful (okay the interior went a bit squidgy with age and ring life was disappointing (about 170k) - but this wouldnt affect a new buyer).

The 3.9L EA "Super Pursuit" was a grade A dog.

The "Pacer" with a 3.2, a 3 speed auto and TBI was much more reliable, although the body problems still existed.

The 4.0L "EA II" had most of the problems fixed - but more fuel consumption.

[sebstenator]

VN POWER!

[theboxmike]

Falcon = win

[SonofthePhantom]

My parents had a VN wagon "SES pack special" , best car they ever had until our VT

[DragonRising88]

ea falcon was epic

[streesmut70]

VN Calais are imported to Thailand

[ugslug]

picked up a VN sedan 100% stock for $1988 with heaps of reg, RWC n on road costs from a dealer today. Its been a round since 1988 I figure if it gives about 3 years more of motoring then Ill have no complaints. Apart from the typical clear coat peal its straight n clean

[granthamboy85]

They were both crap cars

[sparky8619]

What a dark era that was for cars...quality and looks were at an all-time low. The EA was a boat with a head gasket made of cheese, and the VN was about as refined as the people that are driving them these days.

[MrGrog88]

haha the VN commodore, a bogans love

[spasticarab201]

@MrGrog88 lol

[shaftkilla]

holden commodores are rubbish.

the 1980's and 90's ford falcons and holden commodores had alot of problems with them.

[Seattlecarnut]

Which proved to be the more popular of the two? Both are good looking cars. Both are made in Australia, which helps. If I were living in Australia, or even just visiting, which should I buy? The Holden Commodore or the Ford Falcon?

[1661992vl]

@Seattlecarnut hey mate ea s packs they are the best

[Mechknight73]

@Seattlecarnut Sales figures spoke for themselves; the EA Falcon lost the race because they had huge problems. Had they spent a few more months on R&D, they could have saved themselves a whole lot of trouble. Also, Ford didn't take the hint and release a V8 model unil long after Holden introduced its new fuel injected V8

[Seattlecarnut]

@Mechknight73 That makes sense. You build a car like poo (shit), people won't want to buy your cars.

[bbbcreations]

@Mechknight73 The VN was spinning crankshaft bearings like it was going out of fashion. Go to any holden dealership at the time and you would have seen stuffed engines a plenty on the workshop floor. Compared to the EA doing the occasional head gasket. Hardly a comparison. The 3.8 was a 30 y/o engine already when the commodore was released. At least the 4.0l ford was an Australian engine, and is still at the top as far as aussie sixes are concerned.

[MrCrowart]

@bbbcreations are you sure that you know what your on about ??

[aussiepaul44]

@bbbcreations 'the occasional head gasket' At Thompson Ford in Parramatta,NSW.They where replacing 4 out of 10 heads on cars within the first 6 months of warranty. A new design engine which had virtually the same crank,rods and oil pump from the XY 250.Even the bore centers where kept the same to save costs on tooling.It was new Cheap and nasty design.VN spun cam bearings because some weren't given enough bearing clearance.Those failures where less than 1% of production.

[GhettoDynamiczInc]

I like holdens but outta these two I'd take the falcon haha those old e series falcons have around 140kw at the wheels

[Mechknight73]

@GhettoDynamiczInc However, you forget the long list of problems with the EA; head gaskets blowing at 50,000km, unable to hold a wheel alignment, oil leaks from everywhere, suspect wiring (have seen one almost catch fire with my own eyes) even dodgier cornering, and untrustworthy instruments. The VNs had their problems, but nowhere near as many long-term as the EA Falcon: Australia's Edsel

[1661992vl]

@Mechknight73 i got an ea s pack and it is immaculate mate the very first ea falcon gl's that came out where rubbish but ford fixed the problems and by 1990 just before the eb falcon came out they had fixed all the problems that you would find in the standered ea gl made in 1988 if you wanna put shit on the ea falcon at least say the gl cause not all ea's where that bad.

[Mechknight73]

@1661992vl You have one of the rarer ones. I've seen problems with them from the GL through to the DA model LTD. It wasn't just the GLs that had problems, and some still had bugs in them in 1990. Those problems thinned out, but the basic ones like wheel alignment required sometimes aftermarket intervention. It was a later model '89 that fried its wiring harness in front of me. This car hadn't had any abuse either; it had been driven sedately

[1661992vl]

@Mechknight73 yeah i guess i just got lucky with mine but seriously though my ea "s" runs like new and it has 251000 k's on the clock it has no rust and no oil leaks i love the thing my mate said that ea's are shit but when he saw mine he changed his attitude and he is now converted. i hate the way people treat old cars like the vn's and ea's i just think if you treat something the way it was built to be treated then your better off.

[Mechknight73]

@1661992vl I take offence at these dickheads that persist in thinking that because it's old, it doesn't matter if you thrash it. I bought my VN with less than 180,000km on the clock, and other than some minor bodywork, I've had to do very little in the way of repairs. I'm keeping it as a "stealth cruiser;" it can sneak in and out of places without being noticed 90% of the time. Strange thing about Falcon sixes of any era; if you keep tensioning the sump bolts, they rarely leak oil.

[smithythefierce]

@GhettoDynamiczInc

Well they don't they have a smidge over 100 at the wheels, with 124 to 148 kw peak power at the fly.

[JBofBrisbane]

Didn't the "all-new" VN have the VB to VH floorpan but just widened at the edges to fit under the new body?

[Mechknight73]

@JBofBrisbane They did, but it was what they bolted to that "all new floorpan" that made the difference. 4 wheel discs as standard equipment, for a start.

[sabertooth241]

i love my 89 ea "s" 5sp i beat the shit out of it every day and still pur's like a kitten

[1661992vl]

@sabertooth241 i can agree with you there i have an ea "s" and runs like new plus the heaters in the falcons have really good heaters just love driving it on a cold and rainy day can put the heater on and have some fun in the wet.

[0166882]

haha i brought a vn commodore at about 1989 right out of the factory

[pugpoo]

Totaly agree with the previous comment 100% rubbish.

[likelysuspectful]

The EA Falcon was the worst car ever sold in Australia. Ever.

Every single system on the car would fail - repeatedly. They never even got fixed with age.

Electrical wiring failed, transmission seals, boots would fall off, ECU failed repeatedly, all the parts of the fuel injections, dropped valves, weeping head gaskets, cracked exhaust valves and exhaust valve heads, coked up cylinder heads (a la Mitsubishi)...

[Mechknight73]

@likelysuspectful You know there's something fundamentally wrong when 1. an alloy head for an EA Falcon was a "readily available, off-the shelf" part and 2. from EA to EB, there were over 3300 running changes. Wheel alignments that kept "moving, dodgy gauges, the list just goes on.

[LouieTheGamer]

@likelysuspectful

My parents used one as our family car for 6 years and not a single major problem...

[titin200]

The most overrated commodore made

[4runnerakadougy]

hahaa cough cough

[ozzybungle]

It wasn't completely new. The VN shared Pillars from the European Opel, and the V6 in them was derived from a 1950 something model Buick.

In anycase, if it was completely 'New', it wouldn't have the odd Ímperial' bolt on the engine, Australia uses Metric.

[collingwoodrules]

ea eb and ed falcons look to ugly and square.

ef and el where so much better than ea eb ed and au

[mattb087]

fuck knows what ford was thinking when they released the xf-eb, square box?

[Mechknight73]

@mattb087 With the EA, it was sheer panic. The VL almost took back #1 sales position. Ford knew the new Commodore would be bigger, so they rushed For Australia's Edsel onto the market. This is why the EA is such a lemon

[fpvshitsonhsv]

EA had 20kw more power and fairmont ghia no calis had the luxuary of a ghia

[RAFFIZUMZ]

VNs never die.

BAs are already rusting.

[Paiste402]

@RAFFIZUMZ

lol VN's were shitheaps from the get go, and the EA was shit as well. But the EB changed that

[Mechknight73]

@Paiste402 3600 running changes from EA to EB, and a lot of the fundamental problems still remained. They still leaked oil like a sieve, wallowed around corners like a pig, dodgy gauges and switchgear, and were STILL prone to blowing head gaskets early. VNs had their share of problems, but the VN-VR were still miles ahead of the EA-EF for basic relaibility

[Paiste402]

@Mechknight73

no way, ive had several examples of both and the commodores were complete flops. Burning HUGE amounts of fuel, oil loss, trans flaring probems, interiors falling apart, shit electrics and overall not overly powerful. The falcons the exact opposite, sure it had a few switched that didnt work but the rest of the car hummed like singing schoolgirl. Ive got an EB atm and its the best car ive owned by far

[Mechknight73]

@Paiste402 I've towed both, and Ford should have been ashamed of themselves for the EA. I currently own a Series 1 VN, and have owned it for two years. It has done more than 40,000km in that time, and have not had any dud switches, interior panels falling off, burning oil or any of that. Mine can still even pull decent fuel economy. Under abuse conditions, EBs have been little beter than an EA sometimes

[Paiste402]

@Mechknight73

Well i do agree the EA was a rush job, and the 3.9 central point was a nightmare. I dunno ive just had alot of shit experiences, same with my mates and the fords have been great

[Mechknight73]

@Paiste402 The irony was that the single point injection engine was less of a nightmare to service. Because of the lack of bonnet height, they wrapped the manifold over the distributor on the mutipoint, which made it a right bastard to work on the distributor. Dunno why it didn't dawn on anybody to put that "ram's horn" shaped manifold they used on the EB straight up

[Paiste402]

@Mechknight73

Yea its a fucking nightmare to get to the dizzy's, i put a better one in mine and it was quite hard. But the labour of love haha. But i gotta say the 90's falcons have aged alot better than the commodores. Alot of nice EB's out there, the commodores tend to get the tits thrashed out of them since the spin up easy and are cheap to little 18yr old bogans.

[Mechknight73]

@Paiste402 Mine is one of those that escaped the bogans. It has only had two owners since new, and I have done what I can to improve it. Despite its first owner using it as a "kid shuttle" it has survived well. What I find really firghtening about the EA-ED, is the lack of reinforcement in the body. Seen one burnt to a cinder, and the only metal left was the bonnet, front guards and radiator support

[Paiste402]

@Mechknight73

No way the fords have alot more extra metal in them! I thought the VN's were way too thin, thys why they are shit loads lighter and take off like a bullet. But man ur VN sound like my EB, mines only had 2 owners, and elderly man and then a mate of mine and again ive done everything i can to improve it. Cars have souls, if you look after them they look after you! At the worst u just have a dignified failure, not an engine explosion in a city bus lane

[Mechknight73]

@Paiste402 Both my VN and my HZ Kingswood have been two owner cars. The HZ has almost 470,000km on the clock, and although it has terminal rust (the previous owner was an idiot) it will one day return as a one tonner. I bought it for $300 as a tradein at a car yard I worked at, and it has never demanded anything of me. It slept for four years, and woke up as if it were the previous day. Has been fiercely loyal to me, which is why it will become the mother of all custom builds

[Paiste402]

@Mechknight73

Oh man old holdens are king. They are indestructible, i had a blue 202 VH that hadnt had a service in 10 years, air filter was solid black, oil was soooo fucked and most of it had hardneded into pure carbon on everything inside. Still went like a little gun, still got great fuel economy, still did little burnouts and is still ticking around today somewhere. And yes after a week of having it i did give it a bloody good service haha

I miss old holdens ways

[jeffbrody]

whatever happened to scott lambert?

[aussiemick83]

The EA was the better seller but there are a lot more VNs on the road these days, because they didn't start rusting within the first 5 years of their life, had a decent auto gearbox and used a heap less fuel, the wagon didn't have leaf springs, and it had better take-off and a V8 option. The only benefit the Falcon had was their straight six was smoother than the BOP 3800 V6 in the VN, it had a sexier body and stance and the Fairmont Ghia had a nicer interior than the Calais.

[wwoorrdd]

Haha these comments rock. Bogans arguing about which shit car is better than the other shit car.

[araparap]

@wwoorrdd totally agree man...in the end it doesnt matter both cars are shit!! i used to have a VN and my bro had the EA...we both agree they were as equally shit!!

[Brikkys]

all new gear in the vn??? based on a vauxhall omega, ageing buick v6, and the same suspension as the vl but tweaked. mmm. oh yeah the CFI 3.9, shit, 4.0 mpfi why they didn't do it in the first place? 2.92 diff killed them a bit too.

[Ansett76]

@Brikkys COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF! Makes me laugh the advertising hype like it 'all Aussie' design.....just a shitbox Vauxhall/Opel adapted to suit Australia. With a shit V6 that is stayed with us until recently...rebranded and tweaked to make it seem 'all new'.

[pckid888]

Both were badly made cars with lots of issues. Dungers the pair of them. The VP was a much better car. The EB was a huge improvement on the original EA.

[scrfce123]

The VN was a much better car. It had a better drivetrain than the Falcon, a much more advanced engine with multipoint injection, more power - better performance, and better suspension / chassis. It also looked more modern at the time, although the EA aged better than the base model VN. Either way, I'd still choose a VN over most Commodores, especially if it were a VN SS...

[TheMaDDeSTMaN]

Hahahaha, you're funny, more power, according to who exactly? Do your research before making yourself look like such a goose!

[scrfce123]

CFI 3.9 l6 supposedly made 120kw. I remember trying to drive one over a hill and it almost died on me. Didn't think it had the power to get me over the hill. The 3 speed was clunky as fuck too and you could never keep torque on tap. It couldn't even do burnouts. Just a laggy, slow, soggy piece of shit. Worst car that I've ever driven... and ive driven some shitters.

[dimmyrocks]

i mean as zackly the same as @scrfce123 mate so there you got, just face it the EA was a pice of shit! dont even know why they made it in the first place

[HsvKrazy]

i rekon the EA looked to boxy the VN looked more modern 4 back then

[mattsrm85]

holden kikkkkkk aaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssssss­ss

[mattxr6turbo]

there all shit apart from the vn

[REPOMAN24722]

I like holden way more but I think the EA looked a litlle better than the VN.

[fpvshitsonhsv]

I think the ea - ed still looks insane

[EDXR61993]

ugly fucking model of commodore tho. And after market has proven holden to have as many issues as the EA.

[brendoscalais]

VN PRIDE

[greatfullfuckingdead]

whats there to be proud of lol ???

[Fryziemccoy199]

ford wins in my opinion. i have a turbocharged ea fairmont series 2 and ive had it for 6yrs. not a single problem. my mates vn is turbo too and my ea smokes it

[st3vo1210]

I used to have a VN Commodore ex-police V6... let me tell you, that thing was reliable and I greatly miss it when I sold it last year.

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

the berlina's were beautiful.. and for the specials, the SS, VN Group A, were stunning.

[whingingmuthaphucker]

A lot of blokes have gone on about Holden getting all this money off the government.

Soooooo, it's interesting to hear that ford was given $550 MILLION.

That's a shit load more than holden has got.

[youandholdenrgay]

Whinge whinge! Off to tha sick bay!

[whingingmuthaphucker]

Blah Blah Blah

[RIPGMH2009]

tell someone who gives a fuck slick

[ToGoRightGoHolden]

still doing the sook rounds i see hahahahaha

[saltedpeanut2]

Haaaaa both buckets of shit !!

[RCVNSS]

What? You managed to eat both buckets. Congratulations!!!

[saltedpeanut2]

Yeah you would know chump you drive a VN !!

[RCV891]

Why are you bragging about eating buckets of shit? loser.

[saltedpeanut2]

You make me laugh, I drive a 1970 HT Monaro 350 a true classic, and your muscle car of choice is a VN SS commodore how cute !!

Now who's the loser ?

Maybe you should go back to the bank, get some real money, to buy a decent muscle car.

[tizona101]

VN paintwork was shocking

[dimmyrocks]

yeah mate that and the roof lining were the bad points about the vn, the vn engines were way in front of then ea tho and had way more power

[TheMaDDeSTMaN]

Are you for real? Might want to look that up, the EA Falcons 3.9 MPEFI I6 engine (139kW) made more power then the VN Commodres V6 (125 kilowatt). Then in the EB, the EB XR6 made 161kW out of the 4.0L I6 - so please tell me how you worked out that the VN engines made more power, hahaha

[scrfce123]

I was talking about the original EA fitted with the CFI 3.9 l6 which made 120 KW, not the Multi-point... Besides, out of all

the cars I have driven, the EA has to have been the biggest piece of shit. Even if the MPI 3.9 did have more power than a VN, it didn't have the same power to weight ratio. The EB was a slightly better car than the EA but it was still a friggin boat. The VP was much better than anything Ford made at the time.

[TheMaDDeSTMaN]

"Original EA"? The 3,9 MPFI was available in the EA from day one, it was an option in the GL and standard in the Fairmont Ghia. And like I said, EB XR6 made 161kw out of the 4L I6, how much power did the V6 Commodore of the time make?

[scrfce123]

The XR6 was Fords top performance model - the Windsor 5.0 was useless in the E series Falcon because it weighed too much without making a heap more power...

Compare apples to apples - VN SS to EB XR6 and you would find that the VN wins hands down.

[TheMaDDeSTMaN]

I am comparing apples to apples, 6 cyl against 6 cyl, the important thing is that the EB XR6 engine is not much different to the EAs engine which you were trying to say was rubbish...

[scrfce123]

Even though EA and EB suffered from corrosion in cyl heads and regularly blew head gaskets, I'm not going to say that Fords 3.9 liter engines were to blame for EA's shortcomings. All I am saying is that the VN Commodore was a better all round performer than the EA. I've owned a VN and I also drove an EA Falcon for half a year... The VN was much better to drive. By mid 90's ford caught up. The EF > were great cars and the EL XR6 was a bit of a beast.

[AshtrayI]

I love my 1990 VN Berlina ive had 4 5 years and i wont eva sell it. The ea was a good car, just badly executed

[joh2]

They may have been similar (the interior courtesy light on certain models was the same part in both cars!), but their 6's were different (Holden having a 3.8L OHV V6, Ford having a 3.2 or 3.9 OHC straight-6)

As for the EA Falcon coming to market early - it did not help for Ford that Wheels Magazine printed photos of the EA in June 1985 of the end product years before it hit the market! (Modern Motor at that time curiously had pencil drawings that looked exactly how the end product looked)

[joh2]

Contrary to what the presenter said, the VN was not all-new - the platform it was built upon was basically the VL's one widened (the front track was the same) - while the side body took elements of the Opel Senator and Omega of the time... As for the V6 engine, it was a redesign of a unit GM in the US had been using since the 1960s - it was a powerful (for the time) yet economical engine though...

[67675656565655656565]

That whole which is better ford and holden debate is a fucking joke.Those dickheads who only stick to one brand are fuckheads.You know what its a tie ford and holden both make shit cars.I wouldnt been seen dead buying one of those unreliable pieces of shit that losses value by the hour.That is why brands like toyotas know how to make descent cars ie auntie owned a 84 camry for 20 years and drove it into the ground.Were as pop owned an ea head gasket blew at 80k's.

[OriginalAtomicSheep]

so you're saying you would rather drive a reliable car that is slow as shit... looks like shit... feels like shit than have a car that sounds decent, looks decent and goes decent but has an issue now and then? Hey... its your choice mate.

[PanozEsperanteGTR1]

Holden and Ford make V8s. "Brands like Toyotas" don't. Fullstop.

[thirteenunderscores]

PanozEsperanteGTR1

*ahem*

-Toyota 1UZFE

-Nissan VH45DE

-Hyundai TAU V8

[Kajifox]

Don't forget the VK45DE, 2UZFE...

Also there's the Toyota V12 (I think it's the 1GZZ -- 5.7 litre V12)...

[thirteenunderscores]

Oh, and I forgot to mention:

-Mitsubishi 8A8

[RCVNSS]

You are the fuckhead.

People drive Fords and Holdens because they want to.

With regards to cars similar to mine losing value by the hour, what a load of shit. My car is 18 years old and it's still worth 45% of its' new car price. Show me a 5 year old camry that's still worth 45% of it's new car price after 5 years, let alone 18 years.

And about your pop, perhaps he drove / drives like an idiot. Let me rephrase that, maybe he doesn't know how to drive.

[67675656565655656565]

ok fuckhead you clearldy dont know what your talking about.People buy fords and holdens because there dumb shits,japs have proven to build better cars over the years compared to aussie built cars.Your bullshitting theres no way your shitty vn ss is worth 45% of its value.But compared to a run of the mill falcon or commodore the camry holds its value alot better.Btw fuckhead my pops had his licence for over 50 years and has never had an accident and looked after that car extremely well.ea r shit.

[RCV891]

Haha Haha Haha Haha. Boo Hoo.

You definately have a grudge against the world don't you?

What happened, the old man gave you candy to keep quiet did he?

Are you a jap who was molested by an english backpacker?

You'd better get back to polishing your pops...........ykw.

You hide behind your keyboard like a sick paedophile.

Grow up, see your doctor. Better still, do us a favour. Drop dead.

[FordFalconXE351]

To the dickheads in the motoring press the VN was awsome and the EA was a dog but out in the real world the EA has aged better the the VN Daewoo Senator.

My mid 1988 Peter Brock special still drives great for a 20 year old,its no concourse trailer queen either,the Australian made motor sounds sweet and kicks the ass of that American Buick boat anchor.

[thirteenunderscores]

Hang on, what? Daewoo? Where are you getting your information from? And the GM3800 wasn't originally designed as a FWD motor anyway.

[dimmyrocks]

hey mate how any k's ur vn done and is it the 3.8 or the 5l, one of my mates got a vn wagon and its done 535,000ks and still running strong, well it keeps up with my brothers vy commodore ute on worries a tall

[dimmyrocks]

oh i forgot to mention its an 1988 vn wagon and still goes like shit

[frombris]

go the fraud faultcon- what a heap

[dimmyrocks]

ahaha nice name lol

[rollaboy1]

all falcons are the biggest failures ever!!!!!

[keno88]

load of BS that is, the AU yeah but they came back with the BA and that has turned the tides. Holden have only caught up wid the VE 4 years after the BA was released. FG n VE are great cars but still Ford has the upper hand but just slightly.

[HoldensRockForever]

cool

[timmmyj]

ahhh the vn, the car that inspired a new generation of holden loving bogans.

[BADGTS]

EA ford do heads and VN where only good with the 5lt as bit to stiff in the front end for the v6

[AustralianFalconI6]

the Falcon EA made same power output for a GL EA, but had over 40-50Nm more torque than crappy buick derived holden. Falcon all the way! at least from EAII to BFII and FG in my book. 3.8L commodore was the worst car ever, oil leaks, overheating, poor torque delivery, tendency to lack low end torque, no real overtaking capability etc etc

[thirteenunderscores]

Are you daft? The VN isn't Buick derived, it just has a Buick engine. The platform is lifted from the Opel Omega A.

The EA falcon had more problems, even straight up, hence why the VN sold so well straight off the bat.

There are far more surviving road-going VNs than EAs, I think that this actually proves which is the better car. Good luck finding an EA in good condition.

[FordFalconXE351]

Early EAs are supposed to be dogs,why in my 300,000klm EA Brock special so reliable?

It isn't Peters touch that made mine good,its the blue oval on the bonnet.

My father had a early series EA as well & it was also very reliable,so go figure?

At least Ford don't use a crappy front wheel drive Yankee Buick donk that sounds like someones thrown a bag of ball bearings in there.

[thirteenunderscores]

The GMV6 wasn't exactly a FWD motor. Sure it ended up in a few FWD cars but that doesn't mean anything, plenty of engines have ended up in both, SR20, CA20, CA18, 4AG, GM3800, Rover K series... Also, Check out the Buick Regal GNX, FR Grand Tourer platform with a Buick 3800 just before the VN came on the scene.

[AusBluesMan]

I have an EA S-pack. In really good condition. It's going through car menopause because it's 21 years old, as most 21 year old cars do. They have a tendancy to blow head gaskets at around the 80,000k mark, but after that they just run for ever on a new reinforced head.

[thirteenunderscores]

Yeah, I've been doing a lot of work on Falcons lately, once you rebuild the top end they're fine for another 100,000km. :) Great bottom end on those motors.

However I gotta say manual transmission for ~EA and ~VN goes a long way in terms of avoiding problems.

[FordFalconXE351]

I drive a AU taxi 810,000 k's so far with no dramas except for a minor oil leak at 550K

A well mantained 4.0 ltr can do at least 1 mill+,I know of 1 that did 1.3mill in a EL motor never out of car,no head work either but the bloke told me that was nothing,he had a EB that did 1.5!

My EA Brock special has done a low 303Kwith its original 3.9(just about run in now)with 5 speed of course,auto's are for taxis.

[thirteenunderscores]

lolwhat.. put them out of their misery dude.

[FordFalconXE351]

My AU taxi will be replaced in October at 8 years,it still runs well.

As for my EA the only reason its worth keeping is Crocks signature but its a reliable piece of crap so it'll be around for a few years yet!

[ToGoRightGoHolden]

a place i used to work for had old taxis come in and 90% were falcons they had some issues with lpg and the v6 engine so many didnt choose them however the ones that did with a good diet and plenty of tlc and regular checks as we all should do they ran out to 600k plus with usual issues like radiators trannys diffs brakes power steerings every bush in sight and now they say the new v6 is better equipped for gas then the olders ones

[FordFalconXE351]

The newer V6 is a lot better than the old for sure.I don't know why they had problems with gas but the taxi owners love their I6.The old AU I drive has now got 821k on the clock,I predict when it is retired in October it'll have at around 860 on it,then swap over to a BFII with a mere 59k on the clock,I will be interested to see if its as good as the AUII has been.

[ToGoRightGoHolden]

plenty of people still belive the au is better then the ba maybe not the bf2 but better then the ba

[FordFalconXE351]

I havn't had a lot of experience with BA's but most of the ones in our fleet seem ok.

The AU is a good old bus,not the best looker,although I don't mind the AU III T series with its stroked 5.6L.

I like the looks of the BA but the BF looks better.

[ToGoRightGoHolden]

bf should be a better car then the ba yes it doesnt look all that good the au not sure what they were thinking but that 5.6lt is one great engine

not sure on the ba bf looks yet? from behind they are the same its more the front change like a vy vz change

[dimmyrocks]

pffff mate what a load of horse shitt, how many k's could ya get out of an old dog box EA or the BF (BITCH FORD????? because my mate got 535,000ks out of their 1988 vn wagon, and had it since new and its still running strong, it keeps up with my brothers vy s ute on worries a tall

[MedalForces]

mate id go look at the taxis there foing over a mill with orig Motors and everything go look up your info

[aussieeagle2512]

lol....and both cars in the long run were virtually only useable for going around the block to see if they were working, in most cases they proabably were not anyways.

[EliteVideoGamer]

Is there anything about video games on this tape? Like the release of the nes or anything?

[pelepollo]

nah man. wish there was.

[EliteVideoGamer]

k, thanks. Do you know what else they talk about on this tape?

[pelepollo]

Kylie minogue starting out, crocodile dundee 2 making australia popular in the US, expo 88, the royal family visits, the government and the people who died that year.

[joh2]

Lol - the approach of the in-car flatscreen TV hadn't really been thought of by the product planners at Holden and Ford at that time!

[Memphis35]

Check out the narrow VL track on the VN.  What a failure those cars were.

[TheAtraxRobustus]

Wher is this guy now?

[thebassetthound]

classic