1984 - "Imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever"

[TheDoormat2u]

I would have answered a big "F*CK YOU". No man or government will take away my dignity. I rather die free than live like a slave. Don't be fooled by my screen name. I am like the spartan warriors from the past. I will never surrender to no one. NO ONE.

[TheDoormat2u]

The only thing that comes into my mind is "THE PATRIOT ACT" when I see this clip.

[kentucy9999]

Anything we recognize and can point to as a parallel in todays world isn't relevant because anything that simple isn't relevant. Human beings are very complicated. When you're young you want to believe there are good guys and bad guys and you want to believe there is some sinister "STATE" which is a single entity but even the STATE is an entity with many heads. There is no single STATE. Life isn't simplistic. It isn't liberal or conservative. Any book or movie is just that a book or movie.

[kentucy9999]

What a crock of shit. Of course this is a movie and theatrical by nature. In Stalin's time during which the state totally dominated and tyrannized its people I don't think the people ever truly lost love for their family. I don't think they ever "only loved the state." They may have been overwhelmed and fearful of the state but I don't believe most of the people loved the state. Collectively I don't think the state can dominate to an intense enough degree to garner love. {Smaller groups can.}

[badleatherlad]

sounds good to me

[rifleman1002]

@SnidSot Sometimes words are more powerful than bullets. 

[TheDoormat2u]

@rifleman1002 That is so true. Many writers from different nations were killed by their governments or enemies for this reason. "THEY DISAGREED."

[digan2303]

WHERE IS A FACEPALM PART?

[Avatar230594]

Truer words have not been spoken.

[nihilismful]

@SnidSot

So you believe in violence like those perpetrated by Al-Qaeda on the United States and other terrorist attacks based upon the belief that the United States of America is an empire of economic and military imperialism, or the FARC a "revolutionary army" who fights a war against "neo-imperialism" by ransom kidnappings, drug trade, and mining for gold?

Violence does not beget freedom from tyranny. Violence begets violence, and ultimately, death.

[ARDUNNO]

noone loves your cock

[rgaleny]

THINGS WHEN ON MUCH AS USUAL ON THE ANIMAL FARM, THAT IS TO SAY, BADLY.

[AnimalBK1]

The practice of endless war is already occuring, it has been for centuries. Just what do we fight for? Words and petty resources......it may not be as obvious or consistent as in the book but the fact still remains, humanity as a whole is waging a war on its own subjects.

[rgaleny]

@AnimalBK1 In1984 it was only for power. In our world it is for money and power. But yes I agree. And it's sad.

[rgaleny]

In a world of liberty the vices of each will condition the virtues of all. Therefore the greed of the many will supersede the greed of the few. Here in 1984 the state is only for the few the rest are slaves. the state is a parasite. In Clockwork Orange the individual was a brute and a parasite on society. In Cock-coo's nest the two are pitted against each other with no clear resolution.

[KrazyKommieKiller]

The scariest part of this film is the realization that the inner party is not manipulating the society for their own gain and there is no party on top using the government as a tool to hoard wealth and power. Everyone is ruled by the party and its control is absolutely pervasive. The inner party is as much a slave as the outer party or the proles. INGSOC has trancended human control and is more or less unstoppable.

[rgaleny]

@KrazyKommieKiller I like to think that that is why it will self destruct in the end. It will fall like ROME of it's own corruption and paranoia. It will rot from the center. Sad that it had to happen, like an ugly trend or a phase. Even he say maybe in a thousand years it will fall. Well, so did Hitler. Now, Stalin's world is gone. But human greed and folly persist. H G Wells said it is a race between education and catastrophe. Live long and prosper.

[KrazyKommieKiller]

@rgaleny You fail to grasp the level of control the party has over its people, nothing now or in history can compare. With the implementation of newspeak the very communication of discontent or rebellion is impossible as those concepts won't exist. The people are brainwashed to believe anything the party tells them regardless of contradictions (see doublethink). There is no ruling class to become decadent and arrogant, the inner party are simply slaves who serve the party at a higher level.

[rgaleny]

@KrazyKommieKiller The High Priests of ancient Egypt managed to control art and intellect for 3000 years. So, OK, it will last a long time but in the end it will fall apart. You just can't make that many fanatics and keep them in step. Also, children are born to be social, they get brainwashed later. So, it's an artificial culture. This is a story where all Quality has been removed from LIFE. Everything is grimy shoddy and smell and crummy. "The stinking smell of women" was a surprise Quote.

[KrazyKommieKiller]

@rgaleny To be clear INGSOC has hundredfold more control than any group has ever had on earth ever. They don't just opress ideas and tell people what to believe, they effectively control the thoughts of the people through a specially designed language and constant invasive brainwashing. The people have no sense of reality besides what the party tells them and those that somehow slip through the brainwashing are outcast by their fellow citizens and broken down into acceptance by the state.

[rgaleny]

@KrazyKommieKiller There is nothing those bastards in the inner party don't have, Wine, Women, food, Information. It's not that the book only controls them. The inner party uses the outer party to oppress. It's a class system where the Oligarchy are the only ones with power. I agree with you and the other guy about how it is a nightmare. but I still think it would self destruct given time. There is no arguing with a Fanatic and his police force. But it is implied that they are in denial.

[rgaleny]

@KrazyKommieKiller Anyway, they can win the battle, but not the war, the anarchists won't let them. Even the Spartans failed in the end. The natural state off affairs is always Mismanagement. Not efficiency. I don't like the fascist bastards and they'll make it tough. but it is unsustainable. But you can't argue with a fanatic who thinks reality exists Only in the mind. It is a fairy tale that says well that's the way it goes. The morale is dont let it happen. Thanks for the post.

[KrazyKommieKiller]

@rgaleny Anarchism is not a concept in Oceania nor is oppression or government. There is the party and that is it. The party's actions are ALWAYS right no matter what, mismanagement does not exist because the party is never wrong. People cannot disagree because they're opinions are told to them by the state and can be changed simply by telling them to change it. I think it is impossible for this level of control to come into existance but if it did, it would be unstoppable.

[rgaleny]

@KrazyKommieKiller It was unstoppable in Germany under Hitler, indeed. I like to think of Star Trek when I think of the future. And if we don't have good people nothing is going to help anyway.

[empyblessing]

Meritocracy now!

[goingfortheone1]

Orwell was no prophet. Orwell was describing what he saw.

This is history you are seeing.

Of course it might repeat itself, as happens from time to time.

[03030303]

@goingfortheone1

Prophecy IS describing what you see. And it does repeat. A prophet simply sees the dots and connects them.

[nmack75]

WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

[hungrycactus123]

Richard Burton is so terrifying in this scene. And the wonderful thing is, he scares the piss out of you by remaining completely calm and not using profanity. That is talent. I could watch this scene a million times.

[sancasmiadas1]

@hungrycactus123 whats the name of this movie

[hungrycactus123]

@chriscason24 excellent way of putting it!

[vargulf19]

@Kemonokami

Sure?

[MattDawg579]

Wow.... for a minute I thought "anthony Hopkins !?" The similarities in appearance and acting are unmistakable.

[eddievenegas]

This is the kind of world Emperor B.Hussein Obama and the DEMONcrat Party want to have.

[Kemonokami]

@eddievenegas

Fucking teabagger. If you honestly believe the lies of the Tea Party and their megacorporate pimps, then you may as well believe that 2 + 2 = 5. They truly are Orwellian. They seek to destroy Democracy whenever it is not in their favor, praise it when it is, rewrite history to fit their warped, naive views, allow the weak, proletariat, starving, sick and poor to be suppressed by the fat, lazy, rich and greedy, and to drag us all back into the dark ages kicking and screaming.

[god0fgod]

Never watched the film but it seems truly scary.

[CHRIS1974100]

This is the best scene in 1984 very depressing but true

[451harri]

@chriscason24 Good effort, sport.

[putrefactionchamber]

I was going to write something really clever like the other posts on this video, but I can't be bothered reading my dictionary and thesaurus to compete in the pseudo-educated rhetoric being spewed here :)

[451harri]

@chriscason24 A world with unthinking loyalty and fear. An imaginary construct of an all-powerful being has far more to do with the machinations of a dictatorship. Eliminating the idea of God would have very little consequence. Making something with no basis in fact or reason into the crux of society would be our downfall.

[vargulf19]

@hungrycactus123 reality tv is the equivalent of the colosseum of rome. A distraction of violence and farce to numb the pain and create ignorance of the masses of starving, the fall of American society

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@vargulf19 : Too True. "Bread and Circuses" still help distract and subdue.

[Darkfire9189]

@obviouslyFAKE2 I think that analogy is pretty stupid. Reality TV doesn't have political prisoners being torn to bits by lions or men fighting to the death. But you are right reality TV simply distracts people from their horrible lives, an escape so to speak.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@Darkfire9189 : I can't quite work out who you are calling stupid: hungrycactus or I? I didn't realise analogies had to be so succinct. I agreed with the chap and chose not to split hairs because I felt the analogy was more or less an acknowledgement of the usefulness of certain propagandist techniques used to further the subjugation of a populace through distraction, and the appeasement of base human requirements for entertainment through personal interaction and a touch of schadenfreude.

[Darkfire9189]

@obviouslyFAKE2 Neither. I was saying the analogy wasn't that great.

[badleatherlad]

@obviouslyFAKE2 Oooo, aren't you clever?

[Tirius9393]

@badleatherlad Obvious troll is obvious. When someone brags about something it's usually a lie. What's funny is he claims he's some kind of academic scholar but yet there's no objective evidence to support the NWO theory. You can make entertainment of out it, nothing more.

[badleatherlad]

@Tirius9393 oh dear. don't you recognise or understand sarcasm?

[CitizenBeta2]

@Darkfire9189 The violence happens off of the telescreen... But 1.5 million people were starved by bill clintons Sanctions on Iraq 500,000 of the Children! Millions are imprisoned to protect people from them selfs in the drug war. Hundred of thousands have died in numerous unconstitutional wars, and continue to die in the fall out of U.S backed wars in places like somalia. Western backed Tyrannies torture political prisoners around the world...

If WE were not ignorant could this still happen?

[Kemonokami]

@vargulf19

Can I etch those words into granite? Please?

[vargulf19]

@Kemonokami Sure?

[Kemonokami]

@vargulf19

Are they your words?

[hungrycactus123]

could reality tv be considered prolefeed?

[Kemonokami]

@hungrycactus123

No. Reality TV and modern pop culture IS prolefeed. To accept such drivel and cancerous, artless sewage as entertainment and "culture", then we are under the worst oppression possible: one not by a dictator, nor secret police, nor even by society, but by oneself. A Democracy ruled by idiots is a system worse than tyranny.

[mustang6172]

Death to humanity!

[Cereghini]

O'Brien actually contradicts himself here. He says that if Winston is a man, he is the last man, and attempts to show him how pathetic man is based on the state of Winston's own body. However, he says earlier that the weariness of the cell is the vigour of the whole. Winston's body is descimated, but his spirit remained, and the spirit of humanity remained as well. I would call it God, but it's basically the same thing.

[danning1]

Richard Burton was fantastic in this movie as O'Brien. He should have gotten a posthumous Oscar for Best Supporting Actor, especially since he never won the Oscar during his lifetime (he was nominated several times but he never won it).

[facepalmization]

It's too late, the proletariat is permanently sleeping.

[DarkerDivinity]

Corporations and political leaders bowing to the almighty dollar requires taking something from you (the common person) in order to further their cause. You are a pawn paying taxes that needs to be fed misinformation and kept busy chasing the dangling carrot for your next TV, phone and stupified by reality TV and reading gossip about what star is sleeping with what star while they rewrite laws that enslave you. He is right, you (everyone chasing the carrot) is to blame for this, not them.

[FreedomWonNet]

"Ask not for whom the boot comes; The boot comes for thee". The NWO is here, now. Disorganized and operating under disparate flags, soon enough we will have one single ruler over all. That is as sure as the sunrise. And soon, Jesus Christ will return to claim his own, leaving the stubborn disbelievers to their chosen fate.

[deektedrgg]

NWO... you people are too stupid to realise the world is to big to control, too much information, too much chaos. Your personal inability to cope with reality and the chaos of our lives forces you to project your inability to control onto an fictional group of shady people that "control the world".

An NWO in whatever form could never exist, just by looking at Chaos Theory with half an eye.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@deektedrgg : Having been on this earth twice as long as you, with an honours degree and several post-graduate qualifications, plus an incredibly diverse curriculum vitae of life experiences, I find your comment to be highly insulting. Not to mention incredibly naive. I suggest you investigate and digest a principal mode of social engineering/control known as "The Shock Doctrine." This may well help you to re-evaluate your blinkered perspective. For it is Chaos which gives the NWO its power.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@deektedrgg : Chaos (or the illusion of chaos): Fear of domestic terrorism; economical hardship; disease; war, all these tools are used to shape your perspective and subjugate you.  To control and meld your inner-self. Who owns the IMF? Who controls the W.H.O? Who has their fingers in every political pie around the globe? Money buys power. "Money makes the world go round." Wake up and smell the coffee deektedrgg. My personal grounding in "reality" is pretty much unshakable I doubt yours is.

[baroh2413]

@obviouslyFAKE2 Are you trying to scare him off by mentionisg your merits? is your point not strong enough to stand by itself?

[nederwiet1]

time is running out fast!! indect will be running in 5-6 years !!(look it up, you'll be VERY angry...)

[mcdebitto]

Heil to the fake, good-cop-bad-cop-right-con-lef­t-con, two-party system. Malleable people, sign up now with your favorite branch of the neolibercon depublicratic party, and receive a free icon-embroidered jack boot. (Choose from four models: Bush, Clinton, Glenn Beck and Lady Gaga) We'll have a stompin' good time. If you wait too long, or aren't malleable enough to fit the boot, don't worry; you can still have one---in your face.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@mcdebitto : What an interesting and highly amusing analysis. Did you make that up all by yourself or did you have an adult at hand to help you with the sharper bits? I was a bit disappointed that you presume I would advocate a two-party system, rather than feudal, or even autocratic, system though. As for the conjecture suggesting I only wish to reach out to malleable minds, well that is way off the mark. I am far more interested in affecting the more tunnel visioned among us, like you.

[mcdebitto]

@obviouslyFAKE2

I would have thought that with a name like yours, you would be aware that the American 2-party system is obviously fake. And you think I have tunnel vision? But thanks for the effort.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@mcdebitto : If you are inferring that I am American then I'm afraid you are......... ... wrong. I rather enjoyed your acerbic comment and felt it required an equally, though far less cerebral response, hence my attempt at sarcasm. It is interesting you made the comment in the first place, and I'm still left wondering what your impetus was?

Even in the bowers of multiparty freedom-loving country as mine, I'm still left feeling that democracy in its present form is a dirty, hollow word.

[mcdebitto]

@obviouslyFAKE2 Maybe I assumed, but your citizenship makes no difference to me. We are now in what Orwell would have called "times of universal deceit," and what the people at PNAC referred to as "full spectrum dominance." I was simply trying to draw attention to the superficiality/falseness of "polarization" between liberal/democrat and conservative/republican, especially--but not exclusively--in the US.  The same is happening in Canada and Japan, the two countries I know best.

[ZillaRocks]

O'Brien: "Imagine a boot stomping on a human face forever..."

Winston: "Imagine a boot kicking your ass into a pit! THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAA!!!!"

[ZillaRocks]

Imagine a boob stamping on a human face forever

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Although I can relate to much of what you say GOTI, I'm afraid that by tarring all Jews with the same zionist brush and using unhelpful terms such as Kike, you don't really do yourself much justice. These terms allow the blind to call you anti-Semitic and gives the supporters and toadies of the zionist cause a certain gravitas they Don't deserve.

Yes, the NWO agenda is a zionist agenda. Yes the zionists hold much of the wealth and power in this world. But to blame all Jews is wrong. FREEGAZA

[MewetheKiwi]

@obviouslyFAKE2 i don't know if u read the book but goldstien is specifically a jew to which HATE hour is directed. there is a reason. the whole book serves as a warning for our futures based on how we acted in the past. jews hav always been blamed for everything, & goldstien is the abstract scapegoat of forever. also notice how Big Brother has a hitler mustache. hitler + controlling gov't that tortures ppl & takes away freedom = nazis. NWO isnt zionist, its nazi. ur really missing the point..

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@MewetheKiwi : To merely cast your gaze upon the surface of the lake, does not mean to say you comprehend all that it has to offer beneath and beyond. By referring to the N.W.O as "Zionist" I simply refer to it as having a Zionist agenda. The techniques the organization use are very similar to those BB uses, and almost certainly analogous to "The Shock Doctrine," which has been employed for many years in various nations around the world over the past 50 years.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@MewetheKiwi : "If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thru' narrow chinks of his cavern." Sometimes we perceive the ghosts of truth as living breathing beings, content to rely upon the illusions they spin. Ignorant of our own ignorance we follow blindly. Fake spectres of fear help us seek refuge beneath the tyrant's wing.

"The Truth Is Out There" - lol

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@MewetheKiwi I have read the book in question. Yes. Several times. There is so much in it which is both prophetic and reflective allegory - on the whole - warning against the dangers of allowing totalitarian regimes to thrive and flourish (alighting on the various forms of propaganda; physical oppression; manipulation of language and thought; laws and rules; and general social engineering techniques, used by these regimes to control people).

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@MewetheKiwi It also defines an analogy between its own world of Big Brother and the totalitarian regimes of Stalin and Hitler. Remember "Animal Farm"? Well that's an allegory about Socialism and the U.S.S.R. "1984" reflects upon both the National Socialism of Hitler and the Socialism of Stalin, offering the perspective of Winston Smith (a free-thinking being) as a testament to how it may be to live under such subjugation. Oh and, BB's mustache is not like Hitler's, but Stalin's.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@MewetheKiwi The hate figure of "Goldstein" draws upon the notion of providing the populace with an alternative outlet of animosity, other than that of Big Brother, and provides Big brother with the opportunity of cementing his control through the persecution of Golstein in the name of the people. Much like the way the endless wars with Eastasia and Eurasia provide a common enemy and object of hate. Sort of like Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban at the moment for us, don't you think?

[zecle]

the job has already begun. everything is made to make the younger generations way more stupid and brainless than the previous one. we are more stupid than our parents and our children are even more fathead, interestless, ignorant and lazy than we 'll never be !

[zecle]

this movie roxx, the novel roxx even more and is even more explicit and scary ! this is our fate eventually.

[FellowTraveller]

Jesus Christ ALmighty! i never knew this had been made into a movie! is it still available? my GOd! 5/5 and saved to my faves

[CheRevolution76]

@FellowTraveller It was made in 1984 and was Richard Burtons last movie, still gets the odd airing on TCM if you have that.

[boogathon]

What George Orwell wrote about is happening right now in the co-ordinated push to regulate a beneficial and completely harmless trace gas that is essential to all life on earth.

When governments control CO2, they will control you through the very air you breathe.

It's all being done by fabricating "evidence", based on a few very selected tree rings [12 in all]. And the UN is salivating with greed.

[mulraymanners]

I would love for us to create an AI that ends up completely globalizing the planet.

that way we can concentrate on bigger things, such as taking over the rest of the galaxy.

[WeAreTheBrits]

the eu is big brother

SMASH the eu

[obviouslyFAKE2]

The EU is just small potatoes compared to what's behind it all.

I'd say this was the ultimate vision of the future under the explicit reign of the New World Order.

EU is just one of the many subversive projects developed by the N.W.O. to destabilize the world's governments so they can take control.

Looking further than the end of your nose means looking at the BIGGER picture. I commend your patriotism but maybe not the methods and ideologies which come with it.

[WeAreTheBrits]

thank you for your comment and as the head of an international company I pride myself in both seeing and understanding the "bigger picture", and developing and amassing the collateral to deal with it

[pjmack79]

the nwo and world elites acting through the bankers, till they're used up and then fed to us...your right on man. we need to act intelligently through legislature and peaceful protest , to be this.

[GodOfTheInternets]

Right... and who leads these banks? JEWS! We must rid this world of jewry or we'll end up in 1984!

[pjmack79]

@GodOfTheInternets really? that is the usual fed run line from white supremacist garbage, but hey at least in this country your allowed to be a dumbass.

[GodOfTheInternets]

@pjmack79

HAHA, wether you like it or not we're in this together, you fight the NWO, like me. You fight the jews, just like me, only you don't see it yet. 68% of all bank presidents are jews. The Federal Reserve System is run by jews. And you said it yourself: "the nwo and world elites acting through the bankers" the bankers ARE jews! You and me ARE the same. When you call me "a dumbass" you're calling YOURSELF a dumbass. Im not a nazi I'm for racial equality so no racial advantage for KIKES!

[GodOfTheInternets]

@pjmack79

We MUST rid this world of jews and jewry or we will all be slaves to the NWO. This is NOT antisemitic, even Marx said it: "What is the Jew's foundation in this world? Usury. What is his worldly god? Money...Money is the zealous one God of Israel, beside which no other God may stand...The bill of exchange is the Jew's real God...Only then could Jewry become universally dominant...The social emancipation of Jewry is the emancipation of society from Jewry." The only good kike is a dead

[countbrotu]

you are all fucking crazy...

[Keinlicht]

no shit eh?

[dmjarrington]

better crazy than dumb.

[DeathSephardi]

Laying on that table for a few days would hurt like hell.

A popular torture in the middle ages was to hang people by their wrists. After a few days their own body weight would eventually dislocate their shoulders. They would be in extreme pain and crippled for a very long time.

We have reduced ourselves to it by being politically correct, whatever the fuck that means...

[TheUnitedFreak]

live free or die! ^_^

[Gawaine687]

amen. or as another said, give me liberty, or give me death.