Video Reply to 1957stan's comment on: Does Eating Meat Make YOU Manly?

[ASwiftHippie]

Well, before I make any changes to my own diet I will do my own research. Because honestly, someone going on about how killing animals is wrong telling me not to eat meat makes me think there might be one bias here...

I can say one thing for hunting though. In Iowa, where I live, there are few natural predators and because of that hunting actually does help the environment. Without it there are major over population problems. With deer.

[Kshitiz991]

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[Kshitiz991]

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[rachellrep]

YOU. ARE. AWESOME. Keep being awesome. c:

[KatesAlwaysHunting]

This guys weird?

[Anoop20111]

Eating meat makes you less manly and more of animal. Man is a social being who understands the sufferings and pain of others and never likesbeing hurt or hurting others. Man does not like to do things to others which he never likes to be done to himself.

Think on every act you do, does it makes ou a man or an animal

[Anoop20111]

Just think of the fear, agony, pain and suffering of the animal. Think of the mind set and possible thoughts of the people who are doing the slaughter and processing of the meat. All those negative vibrations are in the meat that comes before you with added flavors and decoration. Seriously folks, the damage that it does to your mind, thoughts and emotional development is far more than its advantage of providing nutrients to physical body. Think over this

[TheRiggenbach]

do u have to be gay to be vegan? or does it just help?

[marcluc1988]

1957stan is an anti-vegan troll. I just ignore him. He's been having a go at me (and many other vegans) for ages.

[tusagnamaster]

It doesn't make you any more or less of a man, just like being a vegan doesn't make you any better than anyone else. (not saying you've said that just making a point, its just food.)

[kalob35]

dude r u gay wtf?

[celt130]

If I would follow your extreme logistic about pain and comfort of a living thing I could do the same thing for plants.If you look at a mono-grown field do you think this is natural or good for nature?It is not because it is a desert for life,nothing can live in such a field.If you would look at the "comfort" of these plants,stuck together and sprayed with insecticides.Also before there where those killing fields there was a forest,killed by humans.Plants have rights to opposed to animals.

[VibrantVegan]

You do understand that eating animals indirectly kills more plants than eating a vegan diet don't you?

[celt130]

Grass is a natural plant and magical one to.You can cut it all the time and it always grow back and doesn't need much.What would the human civilsation been without grass?As opposed to soy,weed and others who can simply not grow without the intervention of humans, they need to get replanted every year with the use of tractors,vertilisation,insecti­cides and now GM crops.All this is not good for the earth.A pasture is good for the earth and the animals and eco-system.

[00rpc]

and fuck, for sure meat takes more resources. ya got this bloody supply and demand going like a crackstorm on weed. if it wasn't for vegan demands being IN PLACE of all the meat demands, I would bet we all be shit dead by more resource rape by now.

it's a constant flow of supply and demand suckers!! there's no stop to it!! and we still gots a shitload of people consuming meat, so we're going somewhere

[celt130]

Every person has it own acceptable level of violence in order to survive.You are not different then we are, the only thing is you think you are superiour to us because you don't kill yourself animals.If you would be an Amish or believe in Jainism I could eventually accept your critics,but you would not be speaking on a computer would you?You would not take advantage of the system.Your "are you serious" proves you never put your dogmas in question,but you put others in question.Strange.

[00rpc]

get real buddy, someone has to start somewhere.

this guy doesn't sound like dogma to me.

he knows what the hell is going on, and what his house and computer does.

the problem I find with most people is that they think they hafta go up to a vegan, restate the OBVIOUS instead of coming up with solutions for the vegan in question. wow, some trippin eh?

[VibrantVegan]

You do understand that the resources and therefore the "violence" so support someone eating a whole, unprocessed plant-based diet are significantly less than what is required to support a meat based diet don't you?

[celt130]

Most of the time.Let's also talk about your plea against violence.Have you ever counted how much dead trees there are in your house?Bodies from liveforms killed in violence.Your house and roads you use are raping the earth.The plants you eat,violently torn out of there element so you can eat them.You are part of a system that is using around 90% of earth resources and you let around 1 billion people starve.You accept this violence because it suits you but condemn others.

[celt130]

You people talk alot about pain of the animals but you never talk about the pain of other liveforms like the one you eat.Science proved that plants feel some stress or discomfort when agressed.Pain comes in all kinds of forms,humans feel some kind of pain,animals feel another kind of pain as do plants.But it doesn't seem to bother you that you eat in fact plants alive as opposed to meat wich is organicly dead once the animal is dead.

[VibrantVegan]

Are you serious?

[celt130]

Now you talk about killing and suffering and off-course only from the animal point of view,well not animals.I have never seen any of your people make any video or campaign regarding rats our mice.You should now that those are the animals who suffer the most in the world.Isn't that being a bit hypocritical then talking about pain?Sure rats and mice will not get you the support of the masses,and that's what this is really about no?Getting popular and eventually get money for the cause.

[BigDaddyDaveinKC]

are you related to Tosh.0 guy, you guys look alike and same mannerisms

[celt130]

Don't forget your B12 supplements to stay healthy on your "natural" diet...

[VibrantVegan]

Thanks for the tip. As I am sure you already know, modern feedlot animals are B12 deficient because they lack the B12 synthesizing bacteria in their feedlot diets. Therefore they are supplemented with B12. In essence, most people on the Standard American Diet are taking second hand B12 supplements by eating animals. B12 deficiency is more common in older people who eat the typical western diet than it is in vegans.

[dream2last]

WELL SAID

[BlitzenReindeer]

he always flagging and 1 star'n my videos so hes always on my channel. So im gonna put this on top of my page to piss him off more !!! Great Video !!! 10/5 Stars !!!

[BlitzenReindeer]

BRILLIANT !!!!!!!!!!!!!

1957stan is nothing but a little devil with a small ****

[EvilExposed]

hahhahah BEAUTIFUL, someone put stan the spam man in his place. 5 STAR!!LOL

[Carlosthegreatking]

brother forget about diseases enjoy your life if your going to be thinking about illness then of coarse your going to be sick meat wont kill you if you eat it in moderation i mean too much of anything its bad and for example eat some raw broccoli to see how that's going to taste meat taste good once you season it and cook it take care man and start getting that balance diet i mean look at yourself you look so skinny.

[dream2last]

I am not afraid of disease, I am afraid of doctors bills and medicine bills lol

[annikaneuwirth]

haha well said!

[Carlosthegreatking]

well even if meat is not so good for health it taste good though.

[VibrantVegan]

Grab yourself a nice piece of raw meat and chew it up real well. Tell me how that tastes. Try the same with an apple or a leaf of lettuce.

[Carlosthegreatking]

come on brother meat has protein vegetables has no protein but you should eat a little bit of everything though

[VibrantVegan]

Calorie for calorie leafy green veggies have almost twice as much protein as meat brother. If veggies don't have protein where to herbivores get protein? In fact, you don't need to eat a little of everything. Humans have no nutritional requirements for the flesh of animals brother.

[o7levi]

I think it's also important to take into consideration the genetic predisposition to certain types of disease. In my estimation diet is only about 50% of the equation, possibly less--with exercise being more beneficial. This is why some people can live on junk food and live to 100 years, while others can do all the "right" things and still die much earlier due to genetics and other factors, such as stress levels/acidity.

[VibrantVegan]

Again, the peer reviewed research doesn't support your estimation. According to the research 90% of heart disease, diabetes, cancer, stroke, etc. are attributable to diet and lifestyle.

Remember exceptions aren't the rule. Any 100 year old living today ate whole foods for at least the first half of their life. Processed junk wasn't available. Genetics definitely play a part in longevity but you can't change your genes. You can influence how they are expressed. Google: Epigenetics.

[1957stan]

Thanks Vibrant, I will give it a try.. Do you still like those vegan shoes? Any down side to them at all?

[AnimalRightsUnited]

You forgot to mention for stan the man(well almost) that there are so many injected hormones in meat that men are growing breasts and kids are reaching puberty at 7 years of age in many countries!

I bet stan the man has humoungous monsters of boobies!

[1957stan]

Ok... ... Be so kind to share with me one of your favorite energy drinks or meals that you incorporate, or just direct me to a video if you wish.. Have a great day..

[VibrantVegan]

Hey Stan,

Here is my favorite post-workout energy shake: Blend together- 4 bananas, 2-4 great big handfuls of spinach, 1 quart of water. I love this because it quickly replenishes muscle glycogen stores thanks to the sugar in the bananas, it remineralizes my body thanks to all the minerals in the spinach and it hydrates my body thanks to all the water. Not only does it work really well for a post-workout meal, it also cools you off on these hot summer days. I hope you like it.

[AnimalRightsUnited]

What stan the man like other burger munchers do not realise is that vegetarians and vegans actually educate themselves about diet and nutrition unlike meant munchers that ram anything down their cancer riddled gullets.

[lavanguardiadelsol]

Mmmm GREAT RECIPE!!!

[1957stan]

It seems to me then it is counter productive to your claim..  And there are Health risks to this as well? prostrate cancer? baldness? etc.

[VibrantVegan]

Hey Stan,

No health risks as far as I know. Anyone, regardless of diet, with high testosterone levels will increase the production of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin to keep hormone levels within proper parameters.

[1957stan]

Hi vibrant.. Me again.. Need your opinion on something.. You stated that vegans have a higher count of testosterone? I was doing some research on this and found a few articles that said the same thing, but also said it was offset because of higher levels of shbg? thanx in advance..

[VibrantVegan]

Since hormone levels in the human body need to remain within specific limits vegans produce Sex Hormone Binding Globulin to offset their high testosterone levels.

[1957stan]

Sorry universal....lol Ok I am done.. But... I would like vibrant to answer the question on supplements, just for my own curiosity.. Everything else is a stale mate.. I do respect vibrants passion and wish you well....

[VibrantVegan]

Stan, for 6 million years hominids have extracted all the nutrients they require from a variety of raw and more recently cooked fruits, vegetables and animals. Since there is nothing in animals that I can't get in plants, and since a plant-based diet isn't associated with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer, stroke, obesity, lupus, etc., I eat a whole, unprocessed, nutrient dense vegan diet and skip the supplements.

[UniversalTruths]

This argument between Vibrant and Stan seems to be getting a little childish, since neither will admit defeat why don't both parties agree to disagree and leave it at that. Don't make me start handing out the time outs!

[1957stan]

Stan, why do you want to unneccessarily cause harm to other living creatures? Are you a sociopath? .. Yep...All meat eaters are sociopaths and all vegans are judgemental asses.. You are starting to show your true colors!!

[oahuguy]

hahaha VEEERRRY JUDGEMENTAL.......not to mention theyre all passive agressive.

[1957stan]

While we are at it, Do you think humans are omnivores? And other than personal choice concerning animals.. Do you really think vegan diet is the healthiest? And also do you take any supplements to make up for what you can't acquire from your diet? Thank you in advance..

[1957stan]

Ok.... are you actually going to tell me you think this info is false? And if so what part? This is dirt basic information, you can find it anywhere.. It isn't pro or con anything, it's facts.. Maybe you could read some lables on products discussed? you are really being thick headed about the most simplistic things..

[1957stan]

And you also fail to realize that animals will be raised for these products even if everyone stopped eating meat. Did you know one of the future fuels could very well be made from animal fat? Vegan is not the healthiest diet, it is simply a choice people make not to kill animals period!!

[VibrantVegan]

Stan, the Ontario Farm Animal Council, where you are getting your info states, "OFAC represents tens of thousands of livestock and poultry farmers, associated businesses and organizations across Ontario." This isn't an unbiased peer reviewed source Stan. YOU said animals are here for our use, from what source to you derive this ontological argument?

[1957stan]

mrjimmy.. Are you another drama queen?? I am

compromising your quality of life? Yeah right.. I think you are responsible for that one.. auto win at 335? if those statements he says there actually make sense to you then there isn't much hope for you....Vibrant, are you being an ass on purpose? I just gave you one case to look at about how you cannot go through one day without using something that is made from animals.. You are choosing to ignore facts, to stay in this debate

[VibrantVegan]

Stan, no one has claimed they can go through one day without using something made from animals. As vegans we are acutely aware of this. Since animals are not required for vibrant human health we choose not to eat them. Our goal is to minimize harm. Stan, why do you want to unneccessarily cause harm to other living creatures? Are you a sociopath?

[sun2devil]

oh man, stan just got crushed in this debate :p

Auto-Win started at 3:35 :p

p.s. I eat meat :s just thought i'd put that out there so stan couldn't say it was all a group of vegans saying he lost this debate

p.s.s. I'm not trolling vegans :P I'm trying to change my diet to a more fruit/vegetable based one.

[VibrantVegan]

Thanks for your comment. If you would like any help incorporating more fruits and veggies into your diet send me a message. I am glad to help.

[mrjimmypayjo]

If your lifestyle choice compromises the quality of life for the rest of us, it definitely is and always will be my business and "choosing my lifestyle and moving on" is not something I can do. Stan obviously needs to wake up from his delusions and put his ego to sleep...

[VibrantVegan]

Well said mrjimmypayjo!

[mrjimmypayjo]

Wow, I didn't get a chance to read all the comments, but I have one thing to say. I think personal lifestyle choices should only be respected unless they cause harm to another living being or the environment. When your lifestyle choices affect other living beings and the health of our planet, they do DIRECTLY affect myself too. It's not longer just a "personal choice".

[1957stan]

Fortunately most people aren't as entrenched and emotionally attached to their lifestyle the way Stan is. .... Now that is funny... You need to work a little on your sarcasm.. I could help you on that..

[VibrantVegan]

I am not being sarcastic my friend.

[1957stan]

This is true, I don't play well with others.. I am not angry at all, just speak truths that apparently hurt your feelings.. We only disagree on a few issues, and that will not change. I think vegans should be more careful about having people, mostly kids joining their ranks. If you could just be honest for one second and think about it. There can be health risks going vegan as well, your raw dieting has been found in some cases to bone loss, and lower density of the lumbar spine for example

[VibrantVegan]

Stan, demonstrate the truths of which you speak with peer reviewed research.

[nifiluz]

"DONT' GIVE PEARLS TO PIGS" dERRICK

[VibrantVegan]

I think you are right. Stan doesn't play well with others. He seems to get angry easily and resorts to name calling rather than honest debate. Oh well. Stan is a good reminder of how uneducated people are when it comes to human nutrition and how much work there is to do. Fortunately most people aren't as entrenched and emotionally attached to their lifestyle the way Stan is.

[1957stan]

Baxterandcotton... All of our progress in medicine, science etc. is through both consuming and using animals.. This is why vegans are a joke.. You are like a person offering to drive the last mile of a thousand mile trip.. We no longer need to eat animals, or hunt bla- bla bla.. You bite the hand of knowledge and display blind sheep like stupidity!!

[1957stan]

What meds am I on?? Not any buddy.. Please take another look at yourself and your friend on these vids.. Poster childs for the sickly.. I cant believe you are so blind to this.. But I guess it's anything for the animals right?? Very sad indeed!!

[1957stan]

Vibrant.. it's fine with me that you choose this lifestyle. The only problem I have is when you lie.. I know better, but some kids do not, that is my problem with vegans.. Most of you choose this to save animals first, and health second. You should say this up front, and not mislead kids.. Google animals in everyday life.. Read it.. animals are here for our benefit , sorry if that hurts your little puppy dog vegan feelings.. Over 350 pharmaceuticals come from animals did you know this?

[VibrantVegan]

Provide me with the peer reviewed research backing up your claims Stan. Demonstrate with valid research that humans have a nutritional requirement for meat, and are healthier eating it.

[o7levi]

If I had to choose between killing an animal and foraging for berries or wild edibles, I'd definitely choose to kill the animal and I can guarantee my chances at survival would be much greater. I can already tell that you are an evolutionist and not a creationist, but in my opinion (and in my experience) I've felt the healthiest eating 80% fruit/vegetables and 20% meat. It is difficult for me to sustain muscle mass going purely vegan--too costly, too.

[VibrantVegan]

The thing is, your survival doesn't depend on a choice between killing an animal and foraging. You have absolutely no nutritional requirement for the flesh or mammary secretions of animals. It is true I am an evolutionist. The reason? Overwhelming evidence, the same reason I am a vegan. The peer reviewed research doesn't support your 80/20 opinion. My guess is you haven't tried to sustain your muscle mass on a whole food vegan diet. Check out: veganbodybuilding(dot)com. Peace out!

[VibrantVegan]

Are you talking about the Ontario Farm Animal Council's website Stan?

Regarding animals being here for us to use: From what source Stan do you derive this ontological argument?

[1957stan]

Vibrant, please don't continue to embarrass yourself.. Just google meat and brain evolution.. Childish dribble might amuse your vegan friends, probably because they are used to following.. But for those of us that can think for ourselves things are different.. Solestice... You miss the point.. Vibrant put this silly ass video up in the first place, meat eating make you manly? So he pretty much brought it on himself.. I can't help it if he isn't able to debate with common sense..

[VibrantVegan]

Deal with the peer reviewed research my friend.

[1957stan]

Eating animals is not associated to these things you say, If your brain can remember one thing and only one thing from this conversation, please remember this.. Balanced diet.. Balanced diet.. Your argument is based on a lab rat fed meat 24/7, otherwise it holds no water.

[VibrantVegan]

What is a balanced diet Stan? Define it and provide peer reviewed research demonstrating it is the healthiest for humans. Eating animals is associated with higher rates of impotence and prostate cancer based on human population studies.

[1957stan]

Scared?? Too funny.. You stopped me from commenting yesterday.. Or was it youtube?

[VibrantVegan]

I have never stopped you Stan. I love your comments.

[1221solstice2012]

Vegans are maybe 1% of the population, so why do Stan and his cronies give a flying f___ what we eat, say, or anything else? They seem obsessed. Could it be they know were right? Say 95-99% of the population believe in bathing, and theres a tiny fringe group who believe its wrong to bathe, so the majority is bent on proving them wrong. That wouldnt happen because the non-bathers are simply wrong and would be ignored/shunned (humans stink when they dont bathe, especially meat eaters... ;-)

[baxterandcotton]

I know! I wonder why are people who aren't vegan, and clearly do not want to be, spending so much time on vegan channels harassing others?Could it be....a guilty conscious, perhaps?

[1221solstice2012]

Hey, I believe we just might be getting a clue here ... lol!

Veganism is great for one's body and soul; people need to stop fighting their conscience and join us.

[VibrantVegan]

I agree, our buddy Stan and others like him know in their heart of hearts that a vegan lifestyle is better and kinder for themselves, animals and our planet. It is difficult for them to change when they are afraid they will be shunned by their community and would have to face all the pain and suffering they have caused. Stan is scared. It is important to show the Stans of the world compassion as they struggle to give up their cruel, destructive lifestyle.

[1221solstice2012]

That's not easy, because they're so mean to us :-( ...but I try my best. Thanks for all you do here.

[1957stan]

Sorry.. I am laughing at your interpret reasoning.. A very common ploy used by vegans to escape a losing debate.. My statement is FACT, not an opinion, such as yours.. Using your twisted view are women vegans really men?? Or just manly? See how absurd you are becoming?

[VibrantVegan]

Stan, I am using your reasoning. I am not stating an opinion and you haven't actually provided any peer reviewed research to back your stance.

[VibrantVegan]

My initial argument was that eating animals is associated with higher rates of impotence, prostate cancer and lower testosterone levels. So far the only thing you have done is insulted, called names and opined. You have not offered any evidence to support your position. Do you have any? If not, please gracefully bow out of this conversation. You seem too emotionally attached to your position to argue using evidence. Cheers.

[1957stan]

I am still laughing at your logic comparison about car crashes, house fires, war etc.. You have no reasoning skills at all.. That's ok at least your prostrate is healthy..

[VibrantVegan]

Stan, it is your logic not mine. It is your reasoning that says because hunting and fishing is good for the economy it is worthwhile. Using your logic Stan abortion is worthwhile because it is good for the economy. You are laughing at your own logic my friend.

[1957stan]

As far as hunting- fishing debate, I suggest you stick to what you know.. What ever that is.. You might not care about billions of dollars but most do, you just want to save the sea kittens?? Guess who does that? hunting- fishing money, not vegans. Artificially increase game at tax payers expense? Sorry you are embarrassing yourself with such dribble.. You are the one who put up the video about being manly right? Was it supposed to be just for your cronies??

[VibrantVegan]

I suggest you stick to what you know my friend. Taxpayers foot the bill to fund the U.S Dept. of the Interior(BLM, Forest Service) and state and local fish and wildlife agencies. I made the video to demonstrate to people like you that consuming animals is linked to higher rates of impotence, prostate cancer and lower testosterone levels. Do you know why this is so Stan? Because our digestive physiology isn't built to process animal flesh. Disease occurs because of a cause Stan.

[1957stan]

You are tooo funny Denial is the best term for your theory of brain evolution.. You are supposed to be an expert? At least be honest, don't build up a line of bull just to compliment your chosen lifestyle...Pathetic.. No I don't need your health stats.. You still look sickly to me. Now you are trying to prove how manly you are?? ha! . Again I state a BALANCED DIET , not entirely on meat like vegans like to use as examples, another weak exercise by most of you..

[VibrantVegan]

Stan, I provided you with peer reviewed research on brain evolution. If you can't argue on the merits of the research it seems you are the one in denial my friend. Be honest with me Stan, when was the last time you read peer reviewed research on human evolution?

And please, provide peer reviewed research demonstrating the "balanced diet" you eat is best for human health. What meds are your on Stan

[melissagalianos]

Go Derrick! You look amazing, bright eyed, energetic and definately VIBRANT!... and worth every penny of the 75 dollars an hour you earn as a fitness expert! Any video of you demonstrating ab excercises or even doing plyometric jumps on those haystacks while playing with your kids will prove to anyone beyond the shadow of any doubt that you are healthy as a horse. (hmm ALSO vegan animals) !

Go vegan!!!!! YAY TO NOT HAVING IMPOTENCE!!! (and hunting and fishing is not for real men)

[VibrantVegan]

Thanks for the kind comments.

[porolita22]

Then, when you add the fact that many men think it is "weak" to actually feel compassion for animals, mixed with the apathy, and a little bit of ignorance, then you get the kind of comments that you just did. I often like to discuss with people, but as soon as they start the name calling, I block them, it's really not worth it. You can do more productive things than argue with people who just don't care.

[porolita22]

I have seen this kind of comments even on my videos. People feel attacked, and I mean can you blame them? We're all brought up in a world where animals are objects and it is "natural" and "necessary" to eat them... people don't even give it a second thought, because they don't care. Animals are plastic packages to them...

I mean, how can people say that dairy products are the only source for calcium?? Brainwash much? Oh yeah. Sad sad.

[1957stan]

Lavan..... This type of person? Then I guess you shouldn't be talking to 99 percent of the population?Vibrant..... Your reasoning on a person that lives entirely on meat , not a person that follows a balanced diet.. That would shoot down your argument though would it not?? We evolved (brain) because of meat in our diets show me proof otherwise ok??

[VibrantVegan]

Grandmothering, food sharing by senior females and unrelated adults of both sexes. Hawkes et al., 1997a, b; O'Connell et al., 1999

The radiator hypothesis- suggests that the dramatic increase in brain size that occurred in Homo was facilitated (rather than directly caused) by the release of thermal constraints that previously kept brain size in check. Falk, et al., 2000

[lavanguardiadelsol]

Derrick sometimes isn't very usefgull to time with this kind of people.-it doesn't worth it.

Stan if u really was born in 1957 , u are 52 now, u should be mature enough to acept true , and acept another opinions without attack with violence.

[coconutboi11]

I guess having clear white eyes, glowing skin, strong teeth isn't a healthy look. Wow Stan. I guess i must be blind. I know that when i was on the Sad diet i was 20lbs heavier. Dry skin, teeth falling out. I guess i don't look healthy anymore.

[coconutboi11]

Humans are NOT supposed to comsume meat and or dairy products from animals. I don't understand why this common sense notion is so hard comprehend.

[1957stan]

And once again.. Hunters and fisherman are the ones who flip the bill for improving resources, saving wetlands, stopping urban swelling, feeding the needy, the list goes on and on. Billions, yes billions of dollars each and every year into the economy, not burning houses to raise insurances or car insurances your meat starved brain cant quite grip this can it?? Anything else you want to know?? Just ask..

[VibrantVegan]

And once again...I don't care if billions of dollars go into the economy because of hunting and fishing. Such things do not make the world a better place. Environments(resources as you call them) are manipulated to artificially increase "game" animal population(at tax payer expense) so hunters will have something to kill. Habitat preservation is secondary for hunters(it insures things to kill). It is primary for conservationists like the Nature Conservancy, Sierra Club, WWF, etc.

[1957stan]

Your ditty on helping the economy was just silly, but then again it is a concept used by many vegans.. I guess that is all you have to go on to protect your views, not logic.. Animals are food to 99 percent of Americans, I am not asking you to get on board, just stay in your own boat and move on!! Please take another look at yourself on your videos.. Does that really look like a healthy person to you??

[VibrantVegan]

My silly ditty used your logic Stan, not mine. Just because 99 percent of Americans eat animals doesn't mean it is healthy. Speaking of boats Stan. You attacked me on my video Stan.  I didn't come to you. You came to me. Regarding the state of my health, if you are interested I will post blood pressure, blood lipid profile, mile time, push-ups in 1 minute, 1RM bench press, consecutive pull-ups. I think I am doing pretty well Stan. What is your health status? How many meds are you on?

[1957stan]

As far as giving you proof of anything said, I think we both know you can google any side of an argument that will leave us at square one.. We simply believe what we believe.. Also, meat eating not necessary? How do you think the brain got larger and evolved over time? through veggies? No.. You folks are more concerned with saving an animals life than you are your own health, I think some of you would eat cardboard if you could sustain on it..

[VibrantVegan]

Stan, google it and find peer reviewed research showing a nutritional requirement for meat or milk and a higher intake of animal products leading to lower disease rates. RE human brain evolution: Human encephalization was multifactorial. The smartest people in an ever changing environment passed on their "big brain" genes. By your logic carnivores should have the biggest brains. They don't Stan.

[1957stan]

I realize you want to live in a world full of puppy dogs and rainbows, but the meare fact you are driving a car, answering me on a computer etc. Makes you a murderer as well.. Oh, I see you are trying by your diet?? How do you know I don't try by other means? Gotta go, will return..

[VibrantVegan]

What do you have against puppy dogs and rainbows Stan? Like I said in the video, I understand that life feeds on life. I understand that because I live other plants, animals die. My goal is to minimize the death caused by my life in as many ways possible while remaining engaged in our civilization. Why do you want to unneccessarily cause the death of animals? Does it make you feel powerful? More manly?

[1957stan]

Vegans believe it or not, aren't the only ones that realize what a healthy diet is.. I choose omnivore. Alot of greens with meat, I can adjust my diet to get the best of both worlds for vitamin-mineral-protein etc. You on the other hand must take supplements? Why? Just because I am well versed in fighting doesn't make me a violent person.. Good fighting is good fighting is a statement that good technique is good technique, do you understand? Good music is good music..

[VibrantVegan]

Stan, humans are opportunistic omnivores, not biological omnivores. I am interested in eating in alignment with the digestive anatomy and physiology I inherited from 6 million years of evolution in order to thrive. We are fruit eating apes. I eat a whole food, fruit based diet and I do not need to, nor do I supplement my diet. Humans have no nutritional requirements for the flesh or mammary secretions of other animals.

[1957stan]

No offense intended, but you certainly don't look healthy- vibrant to me. ( looks are deceiving) You pretty much got the tail end-friendly fire from remarks to kangarooelaine, who also looks close to a death bed herself.. My point is this, Choose your lifestyle and move on your video on manhood is silly, all vegans refer to meat eaters as unhealthy killers. Call me a killer if you wish, that is just the drama queen coming out. Unhealthy? Not quite..

[VibrantVegan]

Stan,

Whether or not I appear healthy to you isn't the point. I can site numerous examples of omnivores who look "close to death", but it doesn't prove anything. If manliness is determined by testosterone level, the ability to achieve an erection and a healthy prostate then the scientific data is clear-The more animal products you consume the less manly you become. If you have data showing higher rates of prostate cancer or impotence in vegans please share it.

[1957stan]

Thank you for your response... And if you do continue, please just call me Stan.. I will answer in a few responses, I hate getting burned by youtube after typing large responses only to not have them show up..