everyone will be getting RFID implants now thanks to the passing of this!its a victory for big phama,big brother government and the FED.the people in this room have all been bought and paid for.WAKE UP.
IM For The Board of Enfranchisement of The U.S.A. which will have a program
that will enfranchise more people U.S wide state to state ,with a 1.5 Trillion Dollar Federal funding being that we have Gold reserves. The Stock of Gold will be up and Gold will be $2500 a Troy ounce, This program will create 2 Million Jobs supporters are welcome together we stand
@JukeboxJunkie83 What fat government bureacracy? Medicare and medicaid are widely successful and popular programs. To your point about waste and fraud, I'm sure there is some, and there can be a bipartisan effort on that. Private insurers make millions every year. The government does not spend a trillion on healthcare, the CBO says it will save 200 billion. O and if Congress funded bills that were popular first, then how would tough but necessary bills ever be implemented effectively?
The bill is simply bs when they had to give 3 billion in special earmarked money for the last 5 votes what's that tell u it helps there campaign contributors not American ppl
The bill is simply bs when they had to give 3 billion in special earmarked money for the last 5 votes what's that tell u it helps there campaign contributors not American ppl
Put in browser - whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/10/19/adrienne-explains-how-college-students-are-benefiting-affordable-care-act . Lucky Adrienne. She volunteers in her community & church because her parents continue to support her after they paid all her college expenses. Poor student paying off students loans (expenses another sham) has to work part-time because full-time work cannot be found in current economy and pays practically entire paycheck on coverage. This plan is a hand out to the rich.
@Mr40acresandamule I applaud your neutrality, sir. I mean there are some legitimate and illegitimate reasons people oppose Obamacare and you actually listed both kinds. Haha Youtube needs more people like you and less screamers and insulters.
If you think that the Federal Government does not have the "Right" (God Given) to make you purchase a product that you do not want to purchase AND you live in the Great State of Ohio, please sign the Healthcare Freedom Ammendment so we can get it on the ballot. Then it will be an Issue on the ballot for every voter. This will be an Ohio Constitutional Ammendment that says the Feds can not force you to buy health insurance. Google "The Ohio Project"
Now it's being revealed that nearly another half a billion dollars in taxes for Obama's plan will come from Charity-Based 501(c)(3) Hospitals and a whopping $70 billion will come from those who don't buy "government-approved" Health Insurance or in some other way fail to comply with the law's demands.
Now it's being revealed that nearly another half a billion dollars in taxes for Obama's plan will come from Charity-Based 501(c)(3) Hospitals and a whopping $70 billion will come from those who don't buy "government-approved" Health Insurance or in some other way fail to comply with the law's demands.
"Obamacare includes at least a dozen violations of President Obama's pledge to not raise taxes on middle-class families."
"The government has confirmed that the new law's massive Medicare cuts will fall squarely on the backs of seniors, millions of whom will be forced off their current Medicare coverage."
They are U.S. Reps. Jo Ann Emerson of Missouri, Frank Wolf of Virginia, George Radanovich of California, Steve Austria of Ohio, Greg Walden of Oregon, Frank D. Lucas of Oklahoma, Adrian Smith of Nebraska and Jeff Fortenberry of Nebraska, and they are the latest members of Congress to sign on to a plan to repeal Obamacare.
You would think for the non wealthy that ANY medical expendature would be a writeoff on taxes.. Its absurd that its not beneficial for me to remain healthy and have my business account pay my medical bills with a much needed tax deduction. Like cash into the system is actually penalized for the poor who dont have ins. These mental midgets had better get it together or its hostile takeover time!
@guitarplayer4real I have only made enough to make individual deductions three times in my life. Every time I was able to make full deductions for out of pocket healthcare expenditures. Was it cosmetic dental work? Or am I reading it wrong? You paid as a corporate expense rather than personal?
@batigol47 Part was cosmetic and some of it was necessary so I guess it was a mix of work that built up over a number of years. I paid it out of my business thinking for sure it would be a write off but may as well have just taken that cash as payroll and paid it that way, out of pocket now that I know. I was extremely bummed for the lack of write off because I really couldnt afford that much in a lump. Still have about 6k to go before its all done too, most of that IS cosmetic:-)
Nazis hate any1 who doesnt fit their description. Non-whites, jews, gays, any1 religious & uncompliant. Germany '33-'45 all the above die! In obamas america, all the above embraced. No he's not a nazi.
Beck however. Social-justice: evil! I think: orthodox, catholic, episcopal, methodist, presbyterian, evangelical & pentecostal churches wouldn't agree. Beck has more nazi qualities than obama would make u believe. u believe beck u believe lies!
Yes they did, and America will get its wake up call when they realize that we're just another step closer to becoming the United Socialist States of America. Vote these bureaucrats out in November.
@batigol47 No, it is just that I believe that hard work comes great reward. You work hard for your money, you use your money to buy coverage YOU want. Not what the government wants. If you support the government's say in your life than that is your choice, but that is certainly not mine. It is YOU who is too ignorant to acknowledge the opinion of others.
@Alexr197 You failed to even respond to my statement. Nothing you wrote addresses the fact that you know neither the circumstances of your own birth nor the basic precepts of socialism. Further, it is "if...then" not than. Guess we can blame that on your socialist education...
@batigol47 So since I do not know 'the circumstances of my own birth nor the precepts of socialism,' would you care to share that with the rest of the studio audience?
@Alexr197 Once you take 12th grade government, I would be glad to discuss it with you for a price. Private lessons cost money. No more freebies for you. As it is, it is quite apparent that you do not understand what socialism means nor what the United States government has been since its inception.
@batigol47 If you believe you know Socialism better than I do, then go ahead and think that way. However, 64% of America (including me) can see through the mask of lies and propaganda that trick the most innocent person to falling for their scheme. But my final word to you will be that if you are on the side of Pro-Socialism for America, I'll be seeing you on the battlefield from my side. And here is a quote from Ronald Reagan:
@Alexr197 Here is another quote from Ronald Reagan:
"Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?"
Apparently that is the one you have been taking to heart.
Or maybe this one:
"I would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964."
Perhaps you missed out on this important quote, "We the People of the United States, in Order to" ... "promote the general Welfare" ... "do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
@batigol47 "Socialists ignore the side of man that is of the spirit. They can provide shelter, fill your belly with bacon and beans, treat you when you're ill, all the things guaranteed to a prisoner or a slave. They don't understand that we also dream." --Ronald Reagan.
@SkeksisRule I didn't know decreasing inflation from 13.1% to 5% counts as 'the downward spiral that we're still in today.' This downward spiral you are talking about was started by Jimmy Carter and his idiotic administration. Sadly both Bush Administrations let it prosper, and Obama has done nothing but throw more gas into the fire.
@Alexr197 Yeah, George W. let it prosper so much we ended up with two endless wars worth a trillion dollars, a housing bubble, the worst recession since the great depression, and GM is owned by the gov't. Look at how great things are going now. And before you start blaming the mess we're in on Obama you should seriously get your head checked. When Obama came into office the shit had already hit the fan and everything I named had already happened. Awesome!
@SkeksisRule You failed to recognize that after Obama came into office, we went to an all time high 10% unemployment rate and a $13 trillion deficit ($5 tr of which was passed on by W). But that $13 trillion is not just W's share. It's of a failed stimulus, public option absorbing health care bill, and the continuing trend of spend, spend, and if that doesn't work, spend some more. It is YOU that needs a reality check, because it is your shining knight Obama that is causing your problems also
@Alexr197 You're so delusional and biased that you can't even admit a republican did anything wrong. I never said Obama was blameless or that part of the deficit wasn't his. If you knew even the least bit about economics you'd know that spending is the ONLY way out of a recession and it's been done that way since before the great depression. I didn't fail to recognize anything. You fail because you spew misinformation and your knowledge is nil.
@SkeksisRule "You're so delusional and biased that you can't even admit a republican did anything wrong." Funny, because just like you, I have never said that. Please review my previous comments, and if I have said that please outline it out, because I clearly cannot see it. Rather than admit that Obama (believe it or not) actually DID contribute to our problems, you and Liberal folks continue to banter about Bush. You, and Republicans alike, just like to shift the blame around.
@SkeksisRule And also, what information have I said is 'nil' and considered 'misinformation'? Everything I have said in my previous comments are things that actually happened (FYI?). But just like typical Liberals, you prefer to dismiss progress of others and shine your spotlight on that of the destruction. Just like your big brothers in Washington, you make your rules 'as you go along.'
@Alexr197 Liberal? Our big brothers in Washington? Now I KNOW you're delusional. Not only do you not understand economics, but you sound like a parrot that has been left in front of Fox news for too long. My political views and opinions don't fit into any box defined as conservative, liberal, progressive, or otherwise. No one is shifting blame, but when you claim that Bush made the country in any way better then you're a complete liar. Patriot Act, Enron, Iraq, Bailouts, etc.
@SkeksisRule I may not be a major in economics, but it is apparent to even a third grader that when you spend to get yourself out of spending, you're left with a big check. Even worse, we have NO plan on paying ANYTHING back. And yes, big brothers in Washington like Pelosi and Reid, giving their unwanted sympathies and deranged hands to the American People. And you still haven't answered my question: What information have I said that is 'nil' and considered 'misinformation'?
@Alexr197 Re-read my comments. then, re-read your comments. If you can, contemplate the contradictions you have made. There is not even enough room to explain the ridiculousness of your logic.
Of course govt spending of unprecedented scale was also what pushed our country out of the Great Dep., which Hoover realized was the answer too late for his own admin. The economy is rebounding and to suggest Obama's policies have hindered it shows a naivete on the time frame of econ and the history of our nation.
@batigol47 You're at least the 3rd person today to try to explain economics to this guy. He's not ever going to understand it. At this point it should be clear that he doesn't want to understand it. You might as well stop wasting your time on this one. It's pretty sad when common people don't even know the facts in this country. It makes politics impossible because neither side is willing to compromise. I blame the cable news channels for polarizing every debate.
@SkeksisRule I blame the American people for being generally fat and lazy. Even those in the most severe financial state in this country have it pretty easy vis a vis the majority of the world. As a result, they are wholly uninterested in anything that isn't directly affecting them.
@SkeksisRule It would be more understanding to see where you're coming from if you explained it. To summarize your comments, you have basically said that spending is the key to stop spending, that Bush and Republicans suck ass, and that my information is 'misinformation'. However, you do not go into specifics whatsoever, and rather just criticize others. That is typical Liberal fashion, whether you see yourself as a Liberal or not.
@SkeksisRule The only facts you care to see are the ones you wish to see, and certainly the facts I have presented you have dismissed them without notice. If you feel your economic knowledge is so vast and great, I do wish to see them passed on to Washington. Until then, we're all just trolls on the internet.
Ironic you would say that when SPENDING is exactly how Reagans Admin pushed us out of the doldrums, all the while cutting taxes. a policy Bush paid for. Indeed the main reasons for that rebound were initiated by Carters Admin. As for Obama if you think his 1.5 years in office are enough to turn around the economy I suggest you look long and hard at your history of the Reagan Era. It took two more years for the Economy to bottom out after he took control. Comparatively Obama is moving quickly.
@Alexr197 Of course as you pointed out Obama is carrying on with these same policies, but too many seem to conveniently forget that it was Bush who started it all in the first place. As a matter of fact, if Bush had done even a half decent job, Obama probably never would have been elected in the first place. At that point it was "anyone but Bush". And now that the republicans are showing their Obama derangement syndrome the republicans are being left behind like true conservatives.
@SkeksisRule But too many like YOU forget that Obama is CONTINUING those same policies. Too many people like YOU are always hollering "BUSH this BUSH that!" The Bush Regime is out of power, and it seems that Barry is not different at all. Actually, he is different, because he wants to extend government grip on people to the four corners of the country. Whether or not if Bush did a good job, he was going out anyway.
@Alexr197 As ultimately the Congress holds the purse strings and the Republicans have been blocking every attempt to change direction that they can. This is not to say the Democrats are any better in Congress, as I personally think the entire crowd should be cleaned out. They were never supposed to be career offices.
@SkeksisRule The sympathies for Barry end because it was he that was arrogant as he was on the campaign trail, brainwashing his followers into believing he was actually somebody different. He's just another socialist politician. He can fit there perfectly with Wilson and FDR.
@Alexr197 With that statement you have conceded that you are no more than a sycophant to the conservative ideology. FDR and Wilson, while not without their faults were two of the best presidents of the 20th Century. FDR one of the strongest ever. Both left the country better off than when they found it, and let us face that Wilson's followers (Republicans) were some of the worst in history. Without their admins the US would have been in no position to be the world power it is today.
Granted there are many problems with the nhs, in priciple it is sound. mismanagement by management. Before the '80s the was no management in the nhs, just admin. Admin is 1 hell of a lot cheaper than management. u cant run the nhs as a business makes it less eficient, managers cost, not a business its healthcare. If they're just alowed to get on with b well funded not overpaid it works well. Less mgrs, more dr&nrses, more moral. Still better than t party!
LOL, dwindle the workforce down by 20% leaving hard working folks and samall businesses in a depression to pay for the exxponentially rising ridiculous health care in America. While drugs, gangs, wannabe backyard brawlers thinking its funny to smash eachothers teeth out on video (All Democrats of course). Let alone all of the crack babies, tweekers and useless junkies who do nothing, again all love Obama. Well, lets see how many criminals this admin can create with this blatant incompetence.
@guitarplayer4real As a Republican I'm ashamed of this comment. You seem to be implying that the only hard working people are Republicans and all Democrats are useless unemployed trash. Not everyone subscribes to a political ideology. And it's not wise to think that anyone who doesn't think like you is some ignorant piece of garbage. That's exactly the kind of thinking that has lead to racism and genocide. We are all in this together.
@SkeksisRule I'm not a Republican. Not ALL Democrats are bad just the group in general. We're all allowed our opinions and while I make you ashamed I am also the guy who served this nation, worked my ass off and struggled to raise my kids... Under this administration my business and life is suffering, so are my out of work employees. You can bet I have nothing good to say and dont give a shit who I offend saying it, and I'm quite certain I've earned that right.
@guitarplayer4real Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm just saying there is good and bad in all of us and it's foolish to say that you know a whole group of people are just "bad in general". It's not like we're talking about the Taliban here. We're talking about fellow Americans that have the same rights as you. I'm just curious since the recession began in 2007, how was your business doing then?
@SkeksisRule I agree with that:-) I've known lots of bad guys on both fronts.. Mom is a registered Democrat and I dont hate her lol. My business did well for 8 years and had atleast some growth for the years 2000 thru 2008 when it fell off drastically. Now I have no employees and have just enough work to support myself. No taxes paid to uncle sam since 2008. Most small business in the same boat and am just breaking even now.
@SkeksisRule I am a licensed landscape contractor and backflow tester. That doesnt mean I'm always constructing though, its also largely a service based arena with lots of repair work and/ or service calls which is what is carrying me through at this time. We seem to have lost the middle income people from our workload which filled about half of my season, the other half being new construction like on new homes, a paver driveway or waterfall, new turf or whatever:-).
Several years ago I saw a series on british TV called "30 days" by Morgan Spurlock. In 1 episode Morgan & his partner try living on the US minimum wage for 30 days. Life was difficult. In the latter part of the month his spouse becomes quite sick. Limited to basic meds, no work no cash, not free... then his health begins to deteriorate. Its unfortunate I cant find this programe on youtube. Thank God for the NHS. I'm on minimum wage, meds i must have. Doubt I'd get it in the US!
@jesusisasocialist You would be surprised here. Actually I have a customer that originates from Italy, practiced in the UK and spent his last several years before retiring here in the states, a general MD practice.. . He has nothing good to say for the patients care or the medical staff moral in Europe. Personally I'm not paying for thrashers and tweekers doing skateboard faceplants like the idiot youth here do, F that! Theres a hundred ways to conduct business:-) GL with socialism
no, I was upset because now, no one will have health care and we the United States are no longer the land of the free. Look around the world at Canada and the United Kingdom. Government run health care has not worked.
@ACoolDudeProduction Contrary to popular belief public health care functions well in those countries despite the lack of infrastructure we already have in place.
Then why, may I ask, were there people who came all the way from Canada to get OUR health care and warned us NOT to adapted their own country's system? HM?
@ACoolDudeProduction Warned us to adapted? Brilliant. Canada comparisons are a false dichotomy. The US has a far superior infrastructure already in place. Lines won't simply back up at the MRI because we have far more per capita. It is a sad commentary that what you are all arguing is that youd sacrifice the health of others for your profit and convenience. Its supremely ironic that you decry our gov't control while espousing such fascist ideology.
Warned us NOT TO Adapted their system. Besides our health care was far superior than theirs. You know that. And the people that protested against this bill are NOT fascists.
@ACoolDudeProduction Nothing like trying to correct yourself and still getting it wrong...
"Our" health care is not superior. Only the health care of those who can afford it is. Estimates suggest one in three Americans under 65 is uninsured at some time during a given two year period. That is more than the total population of Canada for those keeping score. This is of course ignoring the tens of millions more who are woefully under-insured.
@politburo I shook my head in disappointment the moment this shit was passed. Millions of people will receive health insurance, however it is at the expense of those that have coverage they purchased themselves, and further more the government, by 2014, will tax anyone who as ANY OTHER plan besides the government endorsed plan. That is public option? Hell no it isn't.
@ACoolDudeProduction Did you cry about SOCIAL security before that? How about Medicare? Our socialized defense and public safety system? What about the Socialized education system we have? How about socialist farm subsidies so you can buy cheap food? I'm willing to bet you don't even know what the hells socialism really is. We live in a social democracy. Read a book. "It's a government take over!" HERPA DERP! cry some more.
I am not crying for your information. I was not around when medicare or social security were created or when the government took over education. But I know that they need to be given back to the people to choose. Read the Constitution and you will know. And we live in a democracy where we are given the right to speak freely, wright freely and petition against the government. Socialism is where the government can regulate what you do with your money business. YOU read a book.
@ACoolDudeProduction I agree with this general idea as well but still with lots of reform in mind. The system certainly does need to be fixed and made accessible to all people, especially the poor. But the gov. taking over is only costing us more, ruining the economy and making for bigger brother (who can kiss my backside BTW). Doctors are expensive due to pharm and ins companies, malpractice suits etc.. that needs to stop. Dr's need to be allowed to make a damn mistake.
I absolutely agree with you. The system needs to be reformed but compared to what is to come in days ahead, it was paradise. The day that the President (and I do not care who it is) signs a bill that returns the right of health care to the American people will be a great day. Thank you for sharing your opinion. You are a Patriot!
@guitarplayer4real And there is the rub. Government needed to intercede more forcefully and cut the insurers out of the picture. They are nothing but leeches that make profits by denying as much as they can and relying on the people having neither the time nor money to challenge them. Healthcare should not be a profit driven business.
People also need to realize that providing preventative care rather than emergency care (which CANNOT be denied) would save an ENORMOUS amount of money.
@batigol47 Where did you intelligent people come from all the sudden? Been arguing with what seems to be 12 year olds for weeks now lol. I agree but dont mind seeing my doctor in a nice car living on the hill in the nice neighborhood, I think he deserves that for his contribution. A lot of things IMO just need caps and limits, attorneys and law suits etc.. really are bad. Pharm co's have paid for R&D a thousand times over and still charge top $ for a pill, its ridiculous. What do we do??
@guitarplayer4real Doctors should certainly be paid accordingly. They do a difficult job and put in near countless hours training. That said a dr can make a fortune putting new lips tits and ass on someone, while a dedicated internist may struggle to pay their bills while working long hours that contribute directly to the health of the populace. I for one have NO problem with heavily taxing elective plastic surgery. IF you die on the table for such a procedure, suing should not be an option.
@guitarplayer4real Tort reform I agree should be a priority, but people like tea partiers and republicans (and to a lesser extent dems) fight it tooth and nail. People hate it when they see it, but like the lottery everyone lives on the hope that they'll get theirs if something happens to them. The sad part is that people who would benefit the most by lowered costs have been snookered by the interests who would be hurt most by such caps.
@batigol47 Yea, I fully agree with most everything you say! I definately like the idea of taxing the elective/ cosmetic surgery, that filthy rich freak show deserves it if they can afford to waste 60k on their surgeries. Thats a real problematic field too which probably sends the malpractice ins curve thru the roof.
@batigol47 I'm a lot like the guy below who doesnt care about party affiliation.. Just get someone to do the job and get the politics out of it, I'll vote for him. The USA is simply a giant business and right now its federal funding via the tax payer is way down, my business like many others are not paying in right now. And with healthcare added to the load we are dealing in negative numbers, the load is heavier and the income is way low.. I see why Obama is growing gray hairs:-)
The issue is that people want to strike the ground and have a perfect healthcare system spring up the next day. Does anyone in their right mind think change didnt need to happen? This is a start and the system is not and won't be perfect. My question is: was it enough to actually jumpstart a new system? Have we closed enough of the loopholes to force those big companies to play by the rules? I am as pro small biz as anyone, but it is those big co.s that are mashing small biz, not the govt.
@batigol47 Here's another crappy deal... A guy like me has to pay 30k in medical bills before its a writeoff on taxes. I have been over and over this with both my bookkeeper and my CPA and sure enough!!
I spent 15k at the dentist in 2008 after a great 2007 year, had the cash needed the work and just did it thinking SURELY a medical expendature is a writeoff??! Nope, its setup for the rich dude who can spend 30k where the writeoff begins.
HELL NO THESE HOUSE NEGROS MUST GO: THE REVOLUTION HAS BEGUN: DESCENDANTS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN SLAVERY ARM YOURSELF WITH FACTS. They should never have sign that Heath Care Bill. without getting Reparations
jesusisasocialist...Yeah right, Jesus was a socialist? Sure, he went about advocating homosexual marriages, abortions, raising taxes and giving clean needles so junkies can have a safe habit! Jesus also believed in forcing people to accept him by mandate?
@newalm All while doing endos and faceplants onto concrete pads or asphalt streets and smashing themselves to pieces. Yea, I'll stay healthy and pay for these fucking idiot punks, in their big dreams.
Uncle Sammy got 25k from me in taxes last year, I cleared 45k and they want more for these little snot nosed shitbags lol... All I can say is good luck with that because I dont see that demographic paying the bill.
jesusisasocialist...Hitler is the one who banned guns, hated the rich, hated religions, hated freedom of speech that opposed him, his party and polices and silenced them. Hitler was the leader of the German Workers National Socialist Party and had socialist health care, they had their own Nazi union, called the German Labor Front. Hitler hated smokers and was a vegetarian fanatic! He could pass as a liberal Democrat in America today!
obama & the democrats r no more extreem than social democratic parties in w.europe since '45. If u want 2 try & understand the incomprehensible evil that is the nazis watch "nazis: a warning from history". Glenn beck is more a nazi than obama will ever b!
thank God! If u were 2 stop paying private ins imagine how much u would save. Then u pay 60% of that in tax. Whole usa does it. B4 u know it u have better cheaper healthcare. There wil always b the poor they should b treated as equals not charity cases.
Obama just add 10 trillion to the national debt for the next ten years! But the liberals could not give a shit! Obamacare to them is a free lunch! Just wait when it is time for a pro-Obamacare advocate makes a doctor appointment and is told the next available spot will be in 7 months. What them really bitch about that! The liberals also have killed anyone desire for young people wanting to become become doctors.
Obama and his Democrat Politburo have really done it this time! I can't wait for November! Just wait and watch the long faces of the liberal broadcasters on the lib networks reading the election results! But of course, they will have pundits explaining why the Democrats lost and say it is because Americans are too stupid. Usual liberal bullshit when they cannot accept the facts Americans hate Totalitarian liberalism!
The majority of Americans were apposed to this bill but they defied the will of the people. Make them accountable, when you defy the will of the people it is like spitting their faces! The people have a voice and it should be heard or shall there be hell to pay! This violates the basic principles in which our country was formed. What else will they defy our will on? Vote them out in 2010 and in 2012
@timefordifference you are exactly right! These people WILL be leaving office. They better start getting their shit boxed up. Shit bought from stolen money.
Jesus wasnt forced to help anyone. He did it on his own. People are now going to be forcf to help others. This is the most generous country in the world. The problem is that our charity goes everywhere but here. The fact is, this bill would have never passed if put to a public vote. You fucking Liberals like to ignore the trillions that Maobama has spent. Before you even start, I am not a Rep or Dem. They all suck!
If jesus was the son of god as christians claim then yes, he was forced to help. It was the sole purpose of his existence.
While this country is quite generous, it also has one of the most myopic populations. They cannot see the difference between taxation and charity. They cannot recognize the benefits to their own pockets unless they are actually holding the money in their hands. IT is FAR cheaper for EVERYONE to pay for preventative care than the current system of only treating emergencies.
"Karl Marx was a true future visionary who knew the evils of capitalism and how it keeps the black man down. Socialist government works whose time has come to take root in America!" - Obama, 1984
These fucking liberals. Obamacare will cost trillions but they don't give a shit! To them, it is nothing but a free lunch! The U.S. is flat broke but these shits either can't even balance their own check book or they hope this will be the complete downfall of America.
You fucking Republican, who do you think bankrupted the USA from 2000-2008? Maybe your Medicare ,Social Security, and tax breaks are "free lunches". Don't you have a sense of common good or civic virtue? Maybe if your hero Bush didn't drive the country $10 trillion into debt we could pay for this. Just because your selfish and are not willing to help anyone but yourself does not mean your right.
@newalm Healthcare is ALREADY costing us trillions, idiot. Meanwhile our standard of care is pathetic. Now quit making quotes up and try to think bigger than your own checkbook.
Congress was very excited last week when it imposed its will on us. Democrats, Nancy Pelosi and President Barack Obama just passed a health care bill that sticks 159 federal boards and agencies between you and your doctor and insurer, that forces you to buy insurance as a condition of citizenship, that dictates what that insurance will cover, whether you need it or not; and that requires 16,500 new IRS agents as enforcers.
It doesnt force you to buy insurance. You can pay tax to get out of it. Either way it has no effect on your citizenship. Auto insurance has worked this way for over a decade in most states. Why haven't you been screaming about it?
16500 new jobs is bad how?
Insurance has been giving us the collective shaft for fifty years. Theyre unethical lowlifes whose profit revolves around denying your claims. The government has the power to stop that and this is a plan to at least ameliorate the situation.
@batigol47 16500 new jobs! Jobs that are going to be used to force even more government intrusion into our lives. Like they need more IRS tax workers. It has been proven many times that IRS workers cant even answer a question correctly when you call them. You are a joke! By the way, Jesus was not FORCED to help. It was a calling, so there was NO forcing. Just as preachers are called to spread the word. They are also not forced. Anyone FORCED, will eventually backlash on the ones pushing.
So you don't believe that Jesus was the only son of God? If you do believe he is then there is no way you can claim that he "chose" his path.
I have spoke to IRS agents many times and they have always had good answers. However, if you think the ones that are already there are incompetent then you should be praising the addition of more agents who could become better at their jobs. Mostly though your thinking is limited to "IRS = takes my money = bad" without any deeper examination.
Another thing that needs to change is when illegals give birth in the U.S. and that makes them instant citizens! That law needs to be eliminated so when women come here and "drop and plop" a child..that should not make them citizens! It is trick Mexicans and Asians now do to become citiznes. ENOUGH! Fucking liberals!
I just hope to God that the socialist left don't get away with giving amnesty to the millions of illegal aliens..mostly wetbacks..amnesty! That will add trillions more debt to the 10 trillion Obama has added!
@lleuwelynn is 100% right... paranoid schizo sociopaths like newalm are usually on welfare, disability, or SSI to keep them off the streets. Utterly delusional. Probably uses a public computer at the local library whenever she's not sleeping in a cardboard box beneath an overpass, because homeless shelters are part of the omnipresent "nanny socialist government." Sad, actually...
hudsongrrl, I work for a living and I hate that my money goes to support deadbeats like yourself! If people paid less taxes, they could spend more, thus help restore the economy. But no, the socialists need to squeeze ever penny they can get from people who do work to support the deadbeats in society.
@DeepElem90, you hit the bulls eye. Sociopaths like newalm don't stop to THINK about what they're saying. Police, fire, EMS, SSI, SSDI, Medicare, Medicaid, and school districts (for cryin' out loud!) is what she's complaining about. "nanny nanny boo boo" is her mantra. She can't back up her mindless hatred with facts, can she.
@ newalm: It's socialism you hate? Do you hate the socialized military? Do you want the socialized Fire Dept. to show up to a burning house? Did you use those socialized roads today? Why don't I draw up some paperwork and you can send me you S.S. checks.
Get up off your knees and pull the government teat from your mouth. It's embarrassing watching you dribble all that government teat milk from your lips whilst protesting as you suckle away.
Another one...."I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrats has adopted our platform." - Norman Thomas, 1944
@newalm calls me a lesbian like I'm Dick Cheney's daughter. I'm not, but newalm will love this from today's WashPost:
"The Republican National Committee gave nearly $2,000 to a Southern California GOP contributor for meal expenses at Voyeur West Hollywood, a lesbian-themed California nightclub that features topless dancers wearing horse-bits and other bondage gear, according to newly filed disclosure records."
I find it fascinating that the people who are against healthcare reform are upset about a worst-case scenario they think WILL happen, while the people supporting the reform already know what IS happening.
@truckinbuzzard, that's the best you got? I assume you prefer to debate with your fists. Sad, what is happening here. Unfortunately this is a microcosm of the state of the union. You have intelligence on one side, and angry cavemen on the other.
baltio147, Anyhow if it was what the people wanted, then why are the Dems knowing that they are going to be possibly losing their seats due to being voted out? All of that, because of this unconstitutional bill.
@batigo147. You just keep fooling yourself on the percentage of the people that wanted this bill. Never did I here of an advantage towards the bill in the polls. Basically you are full of shit. You say that they would have NEVER passed the bill, if the people didn't want it? It seems there is a lot about government that you don't know. The fact is, if the people of this country are going to pay for it then they ought to be the ones to go to the polls. Politicians are out for themselves.
You obviously know nothing about Karl Marx or the Communist Manifesto. It never said anything about "buying insurance that we can't afford". Idiot. The Communist Manifesto is about a proletarian revolution and an end to hierarchical bourgeois class structure. It's stupid how you conservatives draw parallels from buying insurance to communism.
@hudsongrrl, November 2nd 2010 . Fox news will be the highest rated cable network watched that night while MSNBC"s tingle Mathews and Keith Oberdork (impartial reporters of political "news" of course) will try explaining the "train wreck" to the 3 viewers(democrats) still watching.. Oh those pathetic little tea baggers, they are so stupid! November 2nd. Us tea baggers just can not freekin wait!
@hudsongrrl MSNBC is watched by only one kind of people: the ones that feed on the propaganda told my NObama, Keith Olberdouche, and Rachel Madcow. I encourage you to watch the video 'The R Word' by BlackandRight.
most important bill of Obama's Presidency!
gower2352 3 weeks ago
everyone will be getting RFID implants now thanks to the passing of this!its a victory for big phama,big brother government and the FED.the people in this room have all been bought and paid for.WAKE UP.
anuangelseyes 5 months ago
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IM For The Board of Enfranchisement of The U.S.A. which will have a program
that will enfranchise more people U.S wide state to state ,with a 1.5 Trillion Dollar Federal funding being that we have Gold reserves. The Stock of Gold will be up and Gold will be $2500 a Troy ounce, This program will create 2 Million Jobs supporters are welcome together we stand
PattersonAndWhipson 6 months ago
In case youre wondering, Boner is crying in the back room
BoxOfOranges84 9 months ago
Big pharma wanted this. dont be such a fool
jtizz711 10 months ago
@JukeboxJunkie83 What fat government bureacracy? Medicare and medicaid are widely successful and popular programs. To your point about waste and fraud, I'm sure there is some, and there can be a bipartisan effort on that. Private insurers make millions every year. The government does not spend a trillion on healthcare, the CBO says it will save 200 billion. O and if Congress funded bills that were popular first, then how would tough but necessary bills ever be implemented effectively?
123RobertDarakjianx 11 months ago
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for the reasons why people are against healthcare are illegitimate entirely
1. no major bill has ever been passed without backroom deals.
2. the mandate for health insurance makes sense when you have a public option.(makes insurance affordable)
3. jobs/economy "focus" is not a real argument
4. CBO says the healthcare law will save money
5. if people despie the fact that obama's healthcare law tries to provide affordable care to those who need it, then they are heartless people
123RobertDarakjianx 1 year ago
for the reasons why people are against healthcare are illegitimate entirely
1. no major bill has ever been passed without backroom deals.
2. the mandate for health insurance makes sense when you have a public option.(makes insurance affordable)
3. jobs/economy "focus" is not a real argument
4. CBO says the healthcare law will save money
5. if people despie the fact that obama's healthcare law tries to provide affordable care to those who need it, then they are heartless people
123RobertDarakjianx 1 year ago
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The bill is simply bs when they had to give 3 billion in special earmarked money for the last 5 votes what's that tell u it helps there campaign contributors not American ppl
BigTW707 1 year ago
The bill is simply bs when they had to give 3 billion in special earmarked money for the last 5 votes what's that tell u it helps there campaign contributors not American ppl
BigTW707 1 year ago
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Put in browser - whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/10/19/adrienne-explains-how-college-students-are-benefiting-affordable-care-act . Lucky Adrienne. She volunteers in her community & church because her parents continue to support her after they paid all her college expenses. Poor student paying off students loans (expenses another sham) has to work part-time because full-time work cannot be found in current economy and pays practically entire paycheck on coverage. This plan is a hand out to the rich.
HoneyMyGolden 1 year ago
shame
iphoneguy2012 1 year ago
And look what happens when you shove doses of socialism down the throats of Americans? You get fired.
Alexr197 1 year ago 2
Reasons why people are against the healthcare bill (Obamacare)
1.) They don't like how the bill was produced, put together, and how it passed.
2.) People don't like the health insurance mandate by the federal government.
3.) People believed the Pres. Obama and the Democrats should have focused more on jobs/economy.
4.) There is misinformation or poor clarity on how if will effect the deficit.
5.) People view it as welfare to benefit/boost the poor and minorities.
Mr40acresandamule 1 year ago 2
@Mr40acresandamule I applaud your neutrality, sir. I mean there are some legitimate and illegitimate reasons people oppose Obamacare and you actually listed both kinds. Haha Youtube needs more people like you and less screamers and insulters.
cornerback39 1 year ago
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If you think that the Federal Government does not have the "Right" (God Given) to make you purchase a product that you do not want to purchase AND you live in the Great State of Ohio, please sign the Healthcare Freedom Ammendment so we can get it on the ballot. Then it will be an Issue on the ballot for every voter. This will be an Ohio Constitutional Ammendment that says the Feds can not force you to buy health insurance. Google "The Ohio Project"
MrPorterhouse 1 year ago
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Now it's being revealed that nearly another half a billion dollars in taxes for Obama's plan will come from Charity-Based 501(c)(3) Hospitals and a whopping $70 billion will come from those who don't buy "government-approved" Health Insurance or in some other way fail to comply with the law's demands.
CAN WE ALL SAY RACKETEER'S????????
reneesluse 1 year ago
Now it's being revealed that nearly another half a billion dollars in taxes for Obama's plan will come from Charity-Based 501(c)(3) Hospitals and a whopping $70 billion will come from those who don't buy "government-approved" Health Insurance or in some other way fail to comply with the law's demands.
CAN WE ALL SAY RACKETEER'S????????
reneesluse 1 year ago
Cont.
"Obamacare includes at least a dozen violations of President Obama's pledge to not raise taxes on middle-class families."
"The government has confirmed that the new law's massive Medicare cuts will fall squarely on the backs of seniors, millions of whom will be forced off their current Medicare coverage."
reneesluse 1 year ago
Among the study's conclusions:
"Some of the nation's largest employers have announced they will be forced to make cutbacks as a result of Obamacare's job-killing mandates."
"Two independent government entities … have confirmed that the new law fails to lower health-care costs and reduce the deficit." More...
reneesluse 1 year ago
8 more in Congress sign on for Obamacare repeal.
They are U.S. Reps. Jo Ann Emerson of Missouri, Frank Wolf of Virginia, George Radanovich of California, Steve Austria of Ohio, Greg Walden of Oregon, Frank D. Lucas of Oklahoma, Adrian Smith of Nebraska and Jeff Fortenberry of Nebraska, and they are the latest members of Congress to sign on to a plan to repeal Obamacare.
reneesluse 1 year ago
You would think for the non wealthy that ANY medical expendature would be a writeoff on taxes.. Its absurd that its not beneficial for me to remain healthy and have my business account pay my medical bills with a much needed tax deduction. Like cash into the system is actually penalized for the poor who dont have ins. These mental midgets had better get it together or its hostile takeover time!
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
@guitarplayer4real I have only made enough to make individual deductions three times in my life. Every time I was able to make full deductions for out of pocket healthcare expenditures. Was it cosmetic dental work? Or am I reading it wrong? You paid as a corporate expense rather than personal?
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47 Part was cosmetic and some of it was necessary so I guess it was a mix of work that built up over a number of years. I paid it out of my business thinking for sure it would be a write off but may as well have just taken that cash as payroll and paid it that way, out of pocket now that I know. I was extremely bummed for the lack of write off because I really couldnt afford that much in a lump. Still have about 6k to go before its all done too, most of that IS cosmetic:-)
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
Nazis hate any1 who doesnt fit their description. Non-whites, jews, gays, any1 religious & uncompliant. Germany '33-'45 all the above die! In obamas america, all the above embraced. No he's not a nazi.
Beck however. Social-justice: evil! I think: orthodox, catholic, episcopal, methodist, presbyterian, evangelical & pentecostal churches wouldn't agree. Beck has more nazi qualities than obama would make u believe. u believe beck u believe lies!
jesusisasocialist 1 year ago
Yes they did, and America will get its wake up call when they realize that we're just another step closer to becoming the United Socialist States of America. Vote these bureaucrats out in November.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 You were born in a socialist state. You are simply to ignorant of the meaning of the word to understand it.
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47 No, it is just that I believe that hard work comes great reward. You work hard for your money, you use your money to buy coverage YOU want. Not what the government wants. If you support the government's say in your life than that is your choice, but that is certainly not mine. It is YOU who is too ignorant to acknowledge the opinion of others.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 You failed to even respond to my statement. Nothing you wrote addresses the fact that you know neither the circumstances of your own birth nor the basic precepts of socialism. Further, it is "if...then" not than. Guess we can blame that on your socialist education...
batigol47 1 year ago 2
@batigol47 If by socialist education you mean the one I am receiving right now, then you have just proven my point.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 Sorry kid, that lesson was private.
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47 So since I do not know 'the circumstances of my own birth nor the precepts of socialism,' would you care to share that with the rest of the studio audience?
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 Once you take 12th grade government, I would be glad to discuss it with you for a price. Private lessons cost money. No more freebies for you. As it is, it is quite apparent that you do not understand what socialism means nor what the United States government has been since its inception.
batigol47 1 year ago 3
@batigol47 If you believe you know Socialism better than I do, then go ahead and think that way. However, 64% of America (including me) can see through the mask of lies and propaganda that trick the most innocent person to falling for their scheme. But my final word to you will be that if you are on the side of Pro-Socialism for America, I'll be seeing you on the battlefield from my side. And here is a quote from Ronald Reagan:
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 Here is another quote from Ronald Reagan:
"Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?"
Apparently that is the one you have been taking to heart.
Or maybe this one:
"I would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964."
Perhaps you missed out on this important quote, "We the People of the United States, in Order to" ... "promote the general Welfare" ... "do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
batigol47 1 year ago 2
@Alexr197 you're fucking crazy hahahaha
adasacat 1 year ago 2
@batigol47 "Socialists ignore the side of man that is of the spirit. They can provide shelter, fill your belly with bacon and beans, treat you when you're ill, all the things guaranteed to a prisoner or a slave. They don't understand that we also dream." --Ronald Reagan.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 Ronald Reagan was an idiot. He helped start the downward spiral that we're still on to this day.
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule I didn't know decreasing inflation from 13.1% to 5% counts as 'the downward spiral that we're still in today.' This downward spiral you are talking about was started by Jimmy Carter and his idiotic administration. Sadly both Bush Administrations let it prosper, and Obama has done nothing but throw more gas into the fire.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 Yeah, George W. let it prosper so much we ended up with two endless wars worth a trillion dollars, a housing bubble, the worst recession since the great depression, and GM is owned by the gov't. Look at how great things are going now. And before you start blaming the mess we're in on Obama you should seriously get your head checked. When Obama came into office the shit had already hit the fan and everything I named had already happened. Awesome!
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule You failed to recognize that after Obama came into office, we went to an all time high 10% unemployment rate and a $13 trillion deficit ($5 tr of which was passed on by W). But that $13 trillion is not just W's share. It's of a failed stimulus, public option absorbing health care bill, and the continuing trend of spend, spend, and if that doesn't work, spend some more. It is YOU that needs a reality check, because it is your shining knight Obama that is causing your problems also
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 You're so delusional and biased that you can't even admit a republican did anything wrong. I never said Obama was blameless or that part of the deficit wasn't his. If you knew even the least bit about economics you'd know that spending is the ONLY way out of a recession and it's been done that way since before the great depression. I didn't fail to recognize anything. You fail because you spew misinformation and your knowledge is nil.
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule "You're so delusional and biased that you can't even admit a republican did anything wrong." Funny, because just like you, I have never said that. Please review my previous comments, and if I have said that please outline it out, because I clearly cannot see it. Rather than admit that Obama (believe it or not) actually DID contribute to our problems, you and Liberal folks continue to banter about Bush. You, and Republicans alike, just like to shift the blame around.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule When in actuality, THEY BOTH DID CRAP (or in Obama's case, continuing to do crap).
Alexr197 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule And also, what information have I said is 'nil' and considered 'misinformation'? Everything I have said in my previous comments are things that actually happened (FYI?). But just like typical Liberals, you prefer to dismiss progress of others and shine your spotlight on that of the destruction. Just like your big brothers in Washington, you make your rules 'as you go along.'
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 Liberal? Our big brothers in Washington? Now I KNOW you're delusional. Not only do you not understand economics, but you sound like a parrot that has been left in front of Fox news for too long. My political views and opinions don't fit into any box defined as conservative, liberal, progressive, or otherwise. No one is shifting blame, but when you claim that Bush made the country in any way better then you're a complete liar. Patriot Act, Enron, Iraq, Bailouts, etc.
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule I may not be a major in economics, but it is apparent to even a third grader that when you spend to get yourself out of spending, you're left with a big check. Even worse, we have NO plan on paying ANYTHING back. And yes, big brothers in Washington like Pelosi and Reid, giving their unwanted sympathies and deranged hands to the American People. And you still haven't answered my question: What information have I said that is 'nil' and considered 'misinformation'?
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 Re-read my comments. then, re-read your comments. If you can, contemplate the contradictions you have made. There is not even enough room to explain the ridiculousness of your logic.
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule Re-read my comments, then re-read yours. There's not even enough room to explain the idiocy of your falsely backed attacks and remarks.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule And you still haven't answered my question. But great job at doing it. Blumenthal and Sestak would be proud of you.
Alexr197 1 year ago
cont'd
Of course govt spending of unprecedented scale was also what pushed our country out of the Great Dep., which Hoover realized was the answer too late for his own admin. The economy is rebounding and to suggest Obama's policies have hindered it shows a naivete on the time frame of econ and the history of our nation.
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47 You're at least the 3rd person today to try to explain economics to this guy. He's not ever going to understand it. At this point it should be clear that he doesn't want to understand it. You might as well stop wasting your time on this one. It's pretty sad when common people don't even know the facts in this country. It makes politics impossible because neither side is willing to compromise. I blame the cable news channels for polarizing every debate.
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule I blame the American people for being generally fat and lazy. Even those in the most severe financial state in this country have it pretty easy vis a vis the majority of the world. As a result, they are wholly uninterested in anything that isn't directly affecting them.
batigol47 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule It would be more understanding to see where you're coming from if you explained it. To summarize your comments, you have basically said that spending is the key to stop spending, that Bush and Republicans suck ass, and that my information is 'misinformation'. However, you do not go into specifics whatsoever, and rather just criticize others. That is typical Liberal fashion, whether you see yourself as a Liberal or not.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule The only facts you care to see are the ones you wish to see, and certainly the facts I have presented you have dismissed them without notice. If you feel your economic knowledge is so vast and great, I do wish to see them passed on to Washington. Until then, we're all just trolls on the internet.
Alexr197 1 year ago
Ironic you would say that when SPENDING is exactly how Reagans Admin pushed us out of the doldrums, all the while cutting taxes. a policy Bush paid for. Indeed the main reasons for that rebound were initiated by Carters Admin. As for Obama if you think his 1.5 years in office are enough to turn around the economy I suggest you look long and hard at your history of the Reagan Era. It took two more years for the Economy to bottom out after he took control. Comparatively Obama is moving quickly.
batigol47 1 year ago
@Alexr197 Of course as you pointed out Obama is carrying on with these same policies, but too many seem to conveniently forget that it was Bush who started it all in the first place. As a matter of fact, if Bush had done even a half decent job, Obama probably never would have been elected in the first place. At that point it was "anyone but Bush". And now that the republicans are showing their Obama derangement syndrome the republicans are being left behind like true conservatives.
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule But too many like YOU forget that Obama is CONTINUING those same policies. Too many people like YOU are always hollering "BUSH this BUSH that!" The Bush Regime is out of power, and it seems that Barry is not different at all. Actually, he is different, because he wants to extend government grip on people to the four corners of the country. Whether or not if Bush did a good job, he was going out anyway.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 As ultimately the Congress holds the purse strings and the Republicans have been blocking every attempt to change direction that they can. This is not to say the Democrats are any better in Congress, as I personally think the entire crowd should be cleaned out. They were never supposed to be career offices.
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47 You're absolutely right. Our Founding Fathers never intended politics to be their profession.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule The sympathies for Barry end because it was he that was arrogant as he was on the campaign trail, brainwashing his followers into believing he was actually somebody different. He's just another socialist politician. He can fit there perfectly with Wilson and FDR.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@Alexr197 With that statement you have conceded that you are no more than a sycophant to the conservative ideology. FDR and Wilson, while not without their faults were two of the best presidents of the 20th Century. FDR one of the strongest ever. Both left the country better off than when they found it, and let us face that Wilson's followers (Republicans) were some of the worst in history. Without their admins the US would have been in no position to be the world power it is today.
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47 too for fuck's sake.
batigol47 1 year ago
Go to planned parenthood racism, exposed and eugenics on youtube.
2000yrCatholic 1 year ago
That was a nice night, I went to bed happy knowing that If I get sick my insurance can't hang my ass out to dry. YES WE DID!!!
u2bzane 1 year ago
Granted there are many problems with the nhs, in priciple it is sound. mismanagement by management. Before the '80s the was no management in the nhs, just admin. Admin is 1 hell of a lot cheaper than management. u cant run the nhs as a business makes it less eficient, managers cost, not a business its healthcare. If they're just alowed to get on with b well funded not overpaid it works well. Less mgrs, more dr&nrses, more moral. Still better than t party!
jesusisasocialist 1 year ago
LOL, dwindle the workforce down by 20% leaving hard working folks and samall businesses in a depression to pay for the exxponentially rising ridiculous health care in America. While drugs, gangs, wannabe backyard brawlers thinking its funny to smash eachothers teeth out on video (All Democrats of course). Let alone all of the crack babies, tweekers and useless junkies who do nothing, again all love Obama. Well, lets see how many criminals this admin can create with this blatant incompetence.
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
@guitarplayer4real As a Republican I'm ashamed of this comment. You seem to be implying that the only hard working people are Republicans and all Democrats are useless unemployed trash. Not everyone subscribes to a political ideology. And it's not wise to think that anyone who doesn't think like you is some ignorant piece of garbage. That's exactly the kind of thinking that has lead to racism and genocide. We are all in this together.
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule I'm not a Republican. Not ALL Democrats are bad just the group in general. We're all allowed our opinions and while I make you ashamed I am also the guy who served this nation, worked my ass off and struggled to raise my kids... Under this administration my business and life is suffering, so are my out of work employees. You can bet I have nothing good to say and dont give a shit who I offend saying it, and I'm quite certain I've earned that right.
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
@guitarplayer4real Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm just saying there is good and bad in all of us and it's foolish to say that you know a whole group of people are just "bad in general". It's not like we're talking about the Taliban here. We're talking about fellow Americans that have the same rights as you. I'm just curious since the recession began in 2007, how was your business doing then?
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule I agree with that:-) I've known lots of bad guys on both fronts.. Mom is a registered Democrat and I dont hate her lol. My business did well for 8 years and had atleast some growth for the years 2000 thru 2008 when it fell off drastically. Now I have no employees and have just enough work to support myself. No taxes paid to uncle sam since 2008. Most small business in the same boat and am just breaking even now.
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
@guitarplayer4real What do you do for your business? Construction, or engineering maybe?
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule I am a licensed landscape contractor and backflow tester. That doesnt mean I'm always constructing though, its also largely a service based arena with lots of repair work and/ or service calls which is what is carrying me through at this time. We seem to have lost the middle income people from our workload which filled about half of my season, the other half being new construction like on new homes, a paver driveway or waterfall, new turf or whatever:-).
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
Yes We Did
snowwolf7777 1 year ago 3
Several years ago I saw a series on british TV called "30 days" by Morgan Spurlock. In 1 episode Morgan & his partner try living on the US minimum wage for 30 days. Life was difficult. In the latter part of the month his spouse becomes quite sick. Limited to basic meds, no work no cash, not free... then his health begins to deteriorate. Its unfortunate I cant find this programe on youtube. Thank God for the NHS. I'm on minimum wage, meds i must have. Doubt I'd get it in the US!
jesusisasocialist 1 year ago
@jesusisasocialist You would be surprised here. Actually I have a customer that originates from Italy, practiced in the UK and spent his last several years before retiring here in the states, a general MD practice.. . He has nothing good to say for the patients care or the medical staff moral in Europe. Personally I'm not paying for thrashers and tweekers doing skateboard faceplants like the idiot youth here do, F that! Theres a hundred ways to conduct business:-) GL with socialism
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
One of the saddest days I ever had. I cried until I could cry no more when I realized that socialism had come into America.
ACoolDudeProduction 1 year ago
@ACoolDudeProduction
you cried when you realized that people could finally afford healthcare?
politburo 1 year ago
@politburo
no, I was upset because now, no one will have health care and we the United States are no longer the land of the free. Look around the world at Canada and the United Kingdom. Government run health care has not worked.
ACoolDudeProduction 1 year ago
@ACoolDudeProduction Contrary to popular belief public health care functions well in those countries despite the lack of infrastructure we already have in place.
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47
Then why, may I ask, were there people who came all the way from Canada to get OUR health care and warned us NOT to adapted their own country's system? HM?
ACoolDudeProduction 1 year ago
@ACoolDudeProduction Warned us to adapted? Brilliant. Canada comparisons are a false dichotomy. The US has a far superior infrastructure already in place. Lines won't simply back up at the MRI because we have far more per capita. It is a sad commentary that what you are all arguing is that youd sacrifice the health of others for your profit and convenience. Its supremely ironic that you decry our gov't control while espousing such fascist ideology.
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47
Warned us NOT TO Adapted their system. Besides our health care was far superior than theirs. You know that. And the people that protested against this bill are NOT fascists.
ACoolDudeProduction 1 year ago
@ACoolDudeProduction Nothing like trying to correct yourself and still getting it wrong...
"Our" health care is not superior. Only the health care of those who can afford it is. Estimates suggest one in three Americans under 65 is uninsured at some time during a given two year period. That is more than the total population of Canada for those keeping score. This is of course ignoring the tens of millions more who are woefully under-insured.
batigol47 1 year ago 4
@politburo I shook my head in disappointment the moment this shit was passed. Millions of people will receive health insurance, however it is at the expense of those that have coverage they purchased themselves, and further more the government, by 2014, will tax anyone who as ANY OTHER plan besides the government endorsed plan. That is public option? Hell no it isn't.
Alexr197 1 year ago
@ACoolDudeProduction Did you cry about SOCIAL security before that? How about Medicare? Our socialized defense and public safety system? What about the Socialized education system we have? How about socialist farm subsidies so you can buy cheap food? I'm willing to bet you don't even know what the hells socialism really is. We live in a social democracy. Read a book. "It's a government take over!" HERPA DERP! cry some more.
SkeksisRule 1 year ago
@SkeksisRule
I am not crying for your information. I was not around when medicare or social security were created or when the government took over education. But I know that they need to be given back to the people to choose. Read the Constitution and you will know. And we live in a democracy where we are given the right to speak freely, wright freely and petition against the government. Socialism is where the government can regulate what you do with your money business. YOU read a book.
ACoolDudeProduction 1 year ago
@ACoolDudeProduction I agree with this general idea as well but still with lots of reform in mind. The system certainly does need to be fixed and made accessible to all people, especially the poor. But the gov. taking over is only costing us more, ruining the economy and making for bigger brother (who can kiss my backside BTW). Doctors are expensive due to pharm and ins companies, malpractice suits etc.. that needs to stop. Dr's need to be allowed to make a damn mistake.
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
@guitarplayer4real
I absolutely agree with you. The system needs to be reformed but compared to what is to come in days ahead, it was paradise. The day that the President (and I do not care who it is) signs a bill that returns the right of health care to the American people will be a great day. Thank you for sharing your opinion. You are a Patriot!
ACoolDudeProduction 1 year ago
@guitarplayer4real And there is the rub. Government needed to intercede more forcefully and cut the insurers out of the picture. They are nothing but leeches that make profits by denying as much as they can and relying on the people having neither the time nor money to challenge them. Healthcare should not be a profit driven business.
People also need to realize that providing preventative care rather than emergency care (which CANNOT be denied) would save an ENORMOUS amount of money.
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47 Where did you intelligent people come from all the sudden? Been arguing with what seems to be 12 year olds for weeks now lol. I agree but dont mind seeing my doctor in a nice car living on the hill in the nice neighborhood, I think he deserves that for his contribution. A lot of things IMO just need caps and limits, attorneys and law suits etc.. really are bad. Pharm co's have paid for R&D a thousand times over and still charge top $ for a pill, its ridiculous. What do we do??
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
@guitarplayer4real Doctors should certainly be paid accordingly. They do a difficult job and put in near countless hours training. That said a dr can make a fortune putting new lips tits and ass on someone, while a dedicated internist may struggle to pay their bills while working long hours that contribute directly to the health of the populace. I for one have NO problem with heavily taxing elective plastic surgery. IF you die on the table for such a procedure, suing should not be an option.
batigol47 1 year ago
@guitarplayer4real Tort reform I agree should be a priority, but people like tea partiers and republicans (and to a lesser extent dems) fight it tooth and nail. People hate it when they see it, but like the lottery everyone lives on the hope that they'll get theirs if something happens to them. The sad part is that people who would benefit the most by lowered costs have been snookered by the interests who would be hurt most by such caps.
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47 Yea, I fully agree with most everything you say! I definately like the idea of taxing the elective/ cosmetic surgery, that filthy rich freak show deserves it if they can afford to waste 60k on their surgeries. Thats a real problematic field too which probably sends the malpractice ins curve thru the roof.
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
@batigol47 I'm a lot like the guy below who doesnt care about party affiliation.. Just get someone to do the job and get the politics out of it, I'll vote for him. The USA is simply a giant business and right now its federal funding via the tax payer is way down, my business like many others are not paying in right now. And with healthcare added to the load we are dealing in negative numbers, the load is heavier and the income is way low.. I see why Obama is growing gray hairs:-)
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
The issue is that people want to strike the ground and have a perfect healthcare system spring up the next day. Does anyone in their right mind think change didnt need to happen? This is a start and the system is not and won't be perfect. My question is: was it enough to actually jumpstart a new system? Have we closed enough of the loopholes to force those big companies to play by the rules? I am as pro small biz as anyone, but it is those big co.s that are mashing small biz, not the govt.
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47 Here's another crappy deal... A guy like me has to pay 30k in medical bills before its a writeoff on taxes. I have been over and over this with both my bookkeeper and my CPA and sure enough!!
I spent 15k at the dentist in 2008 after a great 2007 year, had the cash needed the work and just did it thinking SURELY a medical expendature is a writeoff??! Nope, its setup for the rich dude who can spend 30k where the writeoff begins.
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
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@ACoolDudeProduction "Socialism is where the government can regulate what you do with your money business. YOU read a book. "
Ironic.
No doubt you remain one of the people that thinks communism and socialism are synonymous.
batigol47 1 year ago
Money Talks, B.S. walks.
kerbio81 1 year ago
ACDC's Money Talks was playing on the House floor while they voted on this.
"You Hustle, You Deal, You Steal from us All". Everyone who watches this vid should play Money Talks by ACDC while viewing.
kerbio81 1 year ago 13
Follow the trail of money.
arbyt3r 1 year ago
No public option= Health insurance bailout bill
thefredsays 1 year ago
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HELL NO THESE HOUSE NEGROS MUST GO: THE REVOLUTION HAS BEGUN: DESCENDANTS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN SLAVERY ARM YOURSELF WITH FACTS. They should never have sign that Heath Care Bill. without getting Reparations
freethinker48 1 year ago
@freethinker48: When you buffoons take to the streets be sure to wear matching T-Shirts.
DeepElem90 1 year ago
Those teabaggers that are shouting out are out of order
jassy345 1 year ago
@jesusisasocialist. LoL, you are a fucking clown! Go away KIDDO!
truckinbuzzard 1 year ago
please watch "nazis: a warning from history". I believe jesus believed in democracy & would of pursuaded people by good argument.
jesusisasocialist 1 year ago
jesusisasocialist...Yeah right, Jesus was a socialist? Sure, he went about advocating homosexual marriages, abortions, raising taxes and giving clean needles so junkies can have a safe habit! Jesus also believed in forcing people to accept him by mandate?
newalm 1 year ago
@newalm All while doing endos and faceplants onto concrete pads or asphalt streets and smashing themselves to pieces. Yea, I'll stay healthy and pay for these fucking idiot punks, in their big dreams.
Uncle Sammy got 25k from me in taxes last year, I cleared 45k and they want more for these little snot nosed shitbags lol... All I can say is good luck with that because I dont see that demographic paying the bill.
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
jesusisasocialist...Hitler is the one who banned guns, hated the rich, hated religions, hated freedom of speech that opposed him, his party and polices and silenced them. Hitler was the leader of the German Workers National Socialist Party and had socialist health care, they had their own Nazi union, called the German Labor Front. Hitler hated smokers and was a vegetarian fanatic! He could pass as a liberal Democrat in America today!
newalm 1 year ago
obama & the democrats r no more extreem than social democratic parties in w.europe since '45. If u want 2 try & understand the incomprehensible evil that is the nazis watch "nazis: a warning from history". Glenn beck is more a nazi than obama will ever b!
jesusisasocialist 1 year ago
@jesusisasocialist Haha, Glenn Beck is more a Nazi than Obama will ever be. Justify that please.
Alexr197 1 year ago
thank God! If u were 2 stop paying private ins imagine how much u would save. Then u pay 60% of that in tax. Whole usa does it. B4 u know it u have better cheaper healthcare. There wil always b the poor they should b treated as equals not charity cases.
jesusisasocialist 1 year ago
Obama just add 10 trillion to the national debt for the next ten years! But the liberals could not give a shit! Obamacare to them is a free lunch! Just wait when it is time for a pro-Obamacare advocate makes a doctor appointment and is told the next available spot will be in 7 months. What them really bitch about that! The liberals also have killed anyone desire for young people wanting to become become doctors.
newalm 1 year ago
Obama and his Democrat Politburo have really done it this time! I can't wait for November! Just wait and watch the long faces of the liberal broadcasters on the lib networks reading the election results! But of course, they will have pundits explaining why the Democrats lost and say it is because Americans are too stupid. Usual liberal bullshit when they cannot accept the facts Americans hate Totalitarian liberalism!
newalm 1 year ago
batigol47, I thought you liberals think government is God?
newalm 1 year ago
batigol47, I thought you liberals think government is God?
newalm 1 year ago
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The majority of Americans were apposed to this bill but they defied the will of the people. Make them accountable, when you defy the will of the people it is like spitting their faces! The people have a voice and it should be heard or shall there be hell to pay! This violates the basic principles in which our country was formed. What else will they defy our will on? Vote them out in 2010 and in 2012
timefordifference 1 year ago
@timefordifference you are exactly right! These people WILL be leaving office. They better start getting their shit boxed up. Shit bought from stolen money.
MrWormdirt1 1 year ago
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MrWormdirt1 1 year ago
Jesus wasnt forced to help anyone. He did it on his own. People are now going to be forcf to help others. This is the most generous country in the world. The problem is that our charity goes everywhere but here. The fact is, this bill would have never passed if put to a public vote. You fucking Liberals like to ignore the trillions that Maobama has spent. Before you even start, I am not a Rep or Dem. They all suck!
MrWormdirt1 1 year ago
If jesus was the son of god as christians claim then yes, he was forced to help. It was the sole purpose of his existence.
While this country is quite generous, it also has one of the most myopic populations. They cannot see the difference between taxation and charity. They cannot recognize the benefits to their own pockets unless they are actually holding the money in their hands. IT is FAR cheaper for EVERYONE to pay for preventative care than the current system of only treating emergencies.
batigol47 1 year ago
"Karl Marx was a true future visionary who knew the evils of capitalism and how it keeps the black man down. Socialist government works whose time has come to take root in America!" - Obama, 1984
newalm 1 year ago
These fucking liberals. Obamacare will cost trillions but they don't give a shit! To them, it is nothing but a free lunch! The U.S. is flat broke but these shits either can't even balance their own check book or they hope this will be the complete downfall of America.
newalm 1 year ago
You fucking Republican, who do you think bankrupted the USA from 2000-2008? Maybe your Medicare ,Social Security, and tax breaks are "free lunches". Don't you have a sense of common good or civic virtue? Maybe if your hero Bush didn't drive the country $10 trillion into debt we could pay for this. Just because your selfish and are not willing to help anyone but yourself does not mean your right.
Didn't Jesus help others?
clarko95 1 year ago
@newalm Healthcare is ALREADY costing us trillions, idiot. Meanwhile our standard of care is pathetic. Now quit making quotes up and try to think bigger than your own checkbook.
batigol47 1 year ago
Congress was very excited last week when it imposed its will on us. Democrats, Nancy Pelosi and President Barack Obama just passed a health care bill that sticks 159 federal boards and agencies between you and your doctor and insurer, that forces you to buy insurance as a condition of citizenship, that dictates what that insurance will cover, whether you need it or not; and that requires 16,500 new IRS agents as enforcers.
Happy days, America
bench550 1 year ago
You know what I love? WHen the insurance mandate was a republican idea, it was fine. Since the dems have accepted it, HELL NO! It's wrong! LMFAO!
FURepublicans 1 year ago
It doesnt force you to buy insurance. You can pay tax to get out of it. Either way it has no effect on your citizenship. Auto insurance has worked this way for over a decade in most states. Why haven't you been screaming about it?
16500 new jobs is bad how?
Insurance has been giving us the collective shaft for fifty years. Theyre unethical lowlifes whose profit revolves around denying your claims. The government has the power to stop that and this is a plan to at least ameliorate the situation.
batigol47 1 year ago
@batigol47 16500 new jobs! Jobs that are going to be used to force even more government intrusion into our lives. Like they need more IRS tax workers. It has been proven many times that IRS workers cant even answer a question correctly when you call them. You are a joke! By the way, Jesus was not FORCED to help. It was a calling, so there was NO forcing. Just as preachers are called to spread the word. They are also not forced. Anyone FORCED, will eventually backlash on the ones pushing.
MrWormdirt1 1 year ago
So you don't believe that Jesus was the only son of God? If you do believe he is then there is no way you can claim that he "chose" his path.
I have spoke to IRS agents many times and they have always had good answers. However, if you think the ones that are already there are incompetent then you should be praising the addition of more agents who could become better at their jobs. Mostly though your thinking is limited to "IRS = takes my money = bad" without any deeper examination.
batigol47 1 year ago
@JayJayhope I do follow the daily news. I would say that I am probably better informed about what this bill entails than most people.
i notice that you didn't answer my question or point out anything specific...
cbrooks8593 1 year ago
Another thing that needs to change is when illegals give birth in the U.S. and that makes them instant citizens! That law needs to be eliminated so when women come here and "drop and plop" a child..that should not make them citizens! It is trick Mexicans and Asians now do to become citiznes. ENOUGH! Fucking liberals!
newalm 1 year ago
@newalm who says you arent the result of a "drop and plop"?
lleuwelynn 1 year ago
@newalm You mean like your progenitors were?
batigol47 1 year ago
I just hope to God that the socialist left don't get away with giving amnesty to the millions of illegal aliens..mostly wetbacks..amnesty! That will add trillions more debt to the 10 trillion Obama has added!
newalm 1 year ago
@lleuwelynn is 100% right... paranoid schizo sociopaths like newalm are usually on welfare, disability, or SSI to keep them off the streets. Utterly delusional. Probably uses a public computer at the local library whenever she's not sleeping in a cardboard box beneath an overpass, because homeless shelters are part of the omnipresent "nanny socialist government." Sad, actually...
hudsongrrl 1 year ago
hudsongrrl, I work for a living and I hate that my money goes to support deadbeats like yourself! If people paid less taxes, they could spend more, thus help restore the economy. But no, the socialists need to squeeze ever penny they can get from people who do work to support the deadbeats in society.
newalm 1 year ago
@DeepElem90, you hit the bulls eye. Sociopaths like newalm don't stop to THINK about what they're saying. Police, fire, EMS, SSI, SSDI, Medicare, Medicaid, and school districts (for cryin' out loud!) is what she's complaining about. "nanny nanny boo boo" is her mantra. She can't back up her mindless hatred with facts, can she.
hudsongrrl 1 year ago
hudsongrrl, fire departments, police, schools etc, are local jurisdictions. And people are not forced by mandate to except them like Obamacare!
newalm 1 year ago
Who needs a socialist party or communist party when you have the liberal Democrats doing the work for them.
newalm 1 year ago
@ newalm: It's socialism you hate? Do you hate the socialized military? Do you want the socialized Fire Dept. to show up to a burning house? Did you use those socialized roads today? Why don't I draw up some paperwork and you can send me you S.S. checks.
Get up off your knees and pull the government teat from your mouth. It's embarrassing watching you dribble all that government teat milk from your lips whilst protesting as you suckle away.
DeepElem90 1 year ago
DeepElem90, go back to your Karl Marx meeting.
newalm 1 year ago
@newalm: The floor of a cave called; they want their batshit back.
(credit: Bill Maher)
hudsongrrl 1 year ago 2
Another one...."I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrats has adopted our platform." - Norman Thomas, 1944
newalm 1 year ago
@newalm What would be really terrific is if you could properly quote someone. Seriously, how hard is it to copy and paste someone else's words?
batigol47 1 year ago
batigo147, what the fuck are you talking about? You can't seem to debate what I post about nanny government socialism in America!
newalm 1 year ago
Barak Obamas Health Care Bill.... Will it improve american citizens. .? US views matter!! Visit my youtube profile page and learn how
Wilone328 1 year ago
@newalm calls me a lesbian like I'm Dick Cheney's daughter. I'm not, but newalm will love this from today's WashPost:
"The Republican National Committee gave nearly $2,000 to a Southern California GOP contributor for meal expenses at Voyeur West Hollywood, a lesbian-themed California nightclub that features topless dancers wearing horse-bits and other bondage gear, according to newly filed disclosure records."
hudsongrrl 1 year ago
I find it fascinating that the people who are against healthcare reform are upset about a worst-case scenario they think WILL happen, while the people supporting the reform already know what IS happening.
hudsongrrl 1 year ago
@truckinbuzzard, that's the best you got? I assume you prefer to debate with your fists. Sad, what is happening here. Unfortunately this is a microcosm of the state of the union. You have intelligence on one side, and angry cavemen on the other.
hudsongrrl 1 year ago
@hudsongrrl. You are obviously an ignorant little girl.
truckinbuzzard 1 year ago
baltio147, Anyhow if it was what the people wanted, then why are the Dems knowing that they are going to be possibly losing their seats due to being voted out? All of that, because of this unconstitutional bill.
truckinbuzzard 1 year ago
@batigo147. You just keep fooling yourself on the percentage of the people that wanted this bill. Never did I here of an advantage towards the bill in the polls. Basically you are full of shit. You say that they would have NEVER passed the bill, if the people didn't want it? It seems there is a lot about government that you don't know. The fact is, if the people of this country are going to pay for it then they ought to be the ones to go to the polls. Politicians are out for themselves.
truckinbuzzard 1 year ago
Bottom line... this sucks. I think we can all agree on that.
bunnyandpanda 1 year ago
@kababayanC2
You obviously know nothing about Karl Marx or the Communist Manifesto. It never said anything about "buying insurance that we can't afford". Idiot. The Communist Manifesto is about a proletarian revolution and an end to hierarchical bourgeois class structure. It's stupid how you conservatives draw parallels from buying insurance to communism.
LetItsThornsCutYou 1 year ago
MSNBC and CNN are in the toilet in ratings!
newalm 1 year ago
Also, ironicona
hudsongrrl 1 year ago
Fox news is watched by two kinds of people: the ones who think it's actually the news, and by many others who are merely entertained by train wrecks.
hudsongrrl 1 year ago 8
@hudsongrrl, November 2nd 2010 . Fox news will be the highest rated cable network watched that night while MSNBC"s tingle Mathews and Keith Oberdork (impartial reporters of political "news" of course) will try explaining the "train wreck" to the 3 viewers(democrats) still watching.. Oh those pathetic little tea baggers, they are so stupid! November 2nd. Us tea baggers just can not freekin wait!
willofphilg 1 year ago
@hudsongrrl MSNBC is watched by only one kind of people: the ones that feed on the propaganda told my NObama, Keith Olberdouche, and Rachel Madcow. I encourage you to watch the video 'The R Word' by BlackandRight.
Alexr197 1 year ago
A blank piece of paper can hold a wealth of information -- on both sides.
hudsongrrl 1 year ago