This woman seems to forget that Africans are also grown up people who can think very well for themselves. "Ohh, why don't they want to listen to us anymore!" (whine, whine) She makes this excuse because Europe is losing territory as it can't compete with China in selling deals. And YES, of course China's thinking only for itself. So are the Africans. And Europe. It's called business and it's about having mutual interests. Win-win! Woman should stop butting her nose into other people's business
@SonnyGoten89 Perhaps she is being overly paternalistic and a bit hypocritical but I share the concern that China's involvement in Africa is not good for Africans in the long run.
@saulpaulus Even if that were true, it is still not her business to get involved. The Africans have the freedom to choose for themselves who to do business with. If you bear this freedom, then you must also shoulder the consequences of your own choices. Besides, I think you are giving Africans too little credit here, they're not ignorant people - they know their own interests, and they know what they're doing. Also, why would you say that China's involvement is not good in the long run?
@SonnyGoten89 The Africans as peoples, yes. But leaders often think selfishly which is why Africa needs more democracy. What I have read of China's involvement in Africa worries me.
@saulpaulus Democracy is a farce of the privileged people. You can't have democracy when people don't even have enough food and a roof above their heads. That's why the first priority of Africans should be economic growth, which leads to independence and that's the first step to empowerment and bettering one's own country. Also Africans must find their own solutions to bad leaders, because that too is a part of independence and empowerment. Lastly, what did you read?
@SonnyGoten89 Democracy is the only way that the people without can make the elites care for their needs. Otherwise you have "development" that gives the real jobs to Chinese & trophy development projects for local "big men". I've read various books and articles that confirm this.
@saulpaulus That's also a load of bull, because the US elites certainly don't care for their people and they're a democracy. Also, China is not a democracy, yet its progression these last 30 years has been envy worthy. Other non-democratic countries such as Singapore do very well too. The people need to unite to pressure the leaders into developing the country economically first. They need to integrate into the global market and China's investments are a start to this.
@SonnyGoten89 In the US, elections hold leaders accountable if they dont attend to voters' needs. PRC has progressed but that progress hasnt touched the vast majority. Singapore is a representative democracy of the parliamentary type.. And its not "bull" but fact to say that Western control of African nations in the early post-colonial period was facilitated through African dictators who helped Western governments & corporations, enriched themselves, & hurt their people.
@saulpaulus Remember that Adolf Hitler was also chosen in a democracy? A poor country and democracy just doesn't work. And the PRC single-handedly pulled more people out of poverty than there are people living in the entire of Africa, simply by changing their economy. As for Singapore, according to Amnesty International, in 2010 laws were tightened to limit the freedom of expression and assembly, and used to threaten critics and opposition activists, so it's not real democracy.
@saulpaulus By the way, with "bull" I meant this part: "Democracy is the only way that the people without can make the elites care for their needs." not the part about the dictators being helped by Western governments. So, again I will say that economy goes first, not democracy. The people need to unite themselves to pressure their government into bettering the economy first. Only after THAT, can a country progress into democracy or whatever 'cracy is best suited for the nation.
@saulpaulus Lastly, I will say this: No elite -whether democracy, communism, autocracy, etc.- will ever care for its people's needs. It's the people who need to care for themselves. They need to unite to pressure their leaders into becoming competent. Africans therefore need to unite to pressure their leaders into getting their economies back together. When the money starts flowing in, schools and hospitals, etc. can be build and the country can progress from there.
White Devil bitch; Chinese colonization is better than White devil nation, at least the Chinese build roads, railroads, freeways, hospitals, colleges & they never massacre Black African to steal resource. The Chinese cancel all African debts; they Chinese pay for what they want, unlike Caucasian subhuman that rape, bombs & massacre people to steal food for children.
@saulpaulus..Damn Devil; let Africa live in peace, stop pushing & bully African around. I swear one this day black African in US will strike back; you will see Caucasian running like Belgium crying & city burning like England, take a break cave man, the world is fed with you.
WHATEVER CHINA'S INTENTIONS ARE WITH AFRICA WHO KNOWS! AT LEAST THEY ARE ENGAGING WITH AFRICA WITH RESPECT AND NOT MEDDLING IN HER AFFAIRS. WHAT EURPEANS HAVE BEEN DOING IN AFRICA FOR THE PAST 60 YEARS WAS NOTHING BUT BLEEDING THE CONTINENT, CREATING CIVIL WARS, REMOVING GOOD LEADERS BY FORCE AND REPLACING THEM WITH DICTATORS, FORCE IN PLACE ECONMIC CONDITIONS WHICH CREATES A PERFECT CONDITION TO ALLOW THEM CONTINUE RUBBING AFRICANS. LONG LIVE CHINA AND AFRICA..........
@wuyeh100 What respect? They want resources and they do what they need to in order to get them without regard to hwo it affects the people in the countries they get the resources from. That's not respect. Its a new form of colonialism.
@wuyeh100 what ever the case is, it is for mutual benefit. Even the westerns never put themselves of off taken the resource. when one need to make a business, one has to provide what the other needs, that is the source of business I think. Therefore, Chine is providing what African countries don't have (actually they are building infrastructures which is the main thing for a country to move forward). Making a statement Chine need a resource is a foolish statement, what else is there in Africa?
@NenaChiruNena2010 If they were providing the African PEOPLE with what they needed, I would agree. Their projects largely create jobs for Chinese workers brought in for that purpose. These projects are often dangerous to local enviromnments and rarely benefit the average citizen in any way. Moreover you have horror stories like Darfur where the PRC blocked efforts to prevent genocide to ensure access to oil.
@saulpaulus History tell us westerns are no good to Africa at all, leave this aside. When you say ''if they were providing'' what have they provided? Money? aid? which indirectly they themselves have had created in first place. Slavery now days is in the mind. Africans are better of off any one out there trying to help them. What is wrong with trying to be self reliance to make that happen you need infrastructure and that is what the Chines doing up there.
@saulpaulus All the problems in Africa was created by the outsiders who wants Africa to stay ignorant by creating conflict (war), leads to poverty.. an settlement, migrants name it... Cause the outsiders were after the natural resources, they doing so by putting dictators to be a leader and making their pocket fat ~ they never cared about the society and at the end of the day all the dictators either they flee or get killed then the country has to start all over again.
@saulpaulus Why do you think now the world is against dictators as if they never being friends with them all the past decades. A recent example who destroyed Libya upside down by bombing the entire country? and yet still Chine is trying to make contract with them to build the countries infrastructure an't that a wise move of them? Isn't it UK as eg. making making by putting cheap labour in Bangladish, India some where in Asian countries with even some of it is their own resources.
@saulpaulus There never was any fair trade exchange. Why is that now hard to swallow when one move on to their next destiny with out even accusing the faults Africans had faced for hundreds of years. Can any one give a break to Africa to do their own decision. Who are other to think on behalf of Africa to give analyses as if they really care for her.
@saulpaulus Diamond~Seirra Lion and others, Gold tantalum tin and tungsten ~ Congo, Oil~Libia, Oil~Nigeria and others, Now Eritrea is progressing and has being a good example for Africa to show how to do and to be self reliance with out interference of others in their own business. So to say China needs only the resource is lame statement. It is obvious they are there for their own benefit but the most important they are producing what the countries needs and are way far from creating chaos.
@NenaChiruNena2010 China is in these countries to help its own economy and provide Chinese with jobs. Their projects rarely provide significant benefit to the local economy. Also China supports brutal regimes in places like Sudan and Zimbabwe.Been a fair amount of chaos and mayhem in those countries with Chinese complicity.
@saulpaulus am smelling unfair thought here. Leaving Africa to control her own wealth and to make business with whom ever they want to make is fair view I think. But I only can understand your concern is not Africa but worried about the development of Chines economy ''funny''. Am still talking through the view of Africans. And since u have mentioned they support Sudan and Zimbabwe regime, since when did other countries thought of Africa (As humanity with out putting their benefit prior) ?
@saulpaulus Plus where were the countries those ''you have in mind'' when Rwandan people were brutalised and over 1million people died with in short period of time. Isn't that single example make your statement weak? and why they didn't interfair to help ''humans''?. Oh I forgot they can't benefit from Rwanda smh.
Speaking of Sudan I am from East Africa myself so all what am speaking to you is not out of my theory but experience.
@saulpaulus And one thing I need to remind you is. Please for God sake can we just try to see things through disadvantaged people, unfortunate people, and who need help most. Actually most of African problem has been created from outsiders to escalate their own benefit and the world was watching as if they know nothing is happening. Almost ever single country was under colony of those western countries. Isn't it true my brother?
@saulpaulus So why are now the western trying to be saints and trying to make a statement as if Chines are there to make their own benefit but dont' care about Africa. Isn't that lame statement to make. After all we as African don't need any one to think about us, we are better of to develop our own nations if other keep their hands out of our business.
@saulpaulus One thing I fail to understand you is. Are you speaking of Africans benefit? Or worried about Chines economy is rising up? Or western countries are losing their place to have a business in Africa? I really want to know that brother. So would help me to understand if you speaking of ''humanity'' ''Politically'' or ''Business'' wise. for all of those have different ideology. God bless you my brother.
Hehe funny hoe this dam nearnderthals are so jealous.why must china love afrika its just trade nobody must care nor love each other you stupid fucks.the chinese wants resourses and in turn built infrastructure and investment.how is that colonization.keep talking bout colonisation if is makes yall feel better.why won't you fix your collapsing west hehehe.bitch invest your time worrying bout your wrinkles
@MegaKuniva That's how modern colonialism works. Instead of occupying a country, you simply take control of its resources. My argumrnt is that each country should control its own resources for the benefit of its people--NOT for a dictator & foreign colonialists whether from China or the West. BTW, I am happy for you to express your views, but please avoid crude language.
THIS WOMAN NEEDS TO SHUT UP. WHAT DID EUROPE DID FOR AFRICA APART FROM COLONIALISM AND SLAVERY. CHINA OFFER A BETTER DEAL, EUROPEANS ON THE OTHER HAND ONLY WANT TO RUB AFRICANS
the white lady doesn't want Africa to prosper. she is jealous about China helping Africa instead of troubled EU. It's China's money. She doesn't have the right to complain. hahaha
For so many decades, western countries made Africa as their slaves. But here comes China to the rescue. western countries panic to help Europe. China refuse to help Europe, instead invest in Africa. smart
@emanjan It is true that the West has an ugly history with Africa. It is also true that the West does not offer enough in aid or investment and that its agricultural subsidies are unfair.
That said, the idea that China is coming to Africa's rescue is laughable. China wants Africa's resources and does not care how obtaining them affects Africa's people or its environment.
africans its tyme to put ur shit togther, we shouldnt lt history repeat itself coz afican doesnt ave the weapons nd man power for war plz africans plz dnt lt colonisation happen agian to innocent ppl.
Westerner never help African to grow, they bullied, killed & slaved them to their own advantage. They think they're superior in race.
China is sincerely and massively investing in Africa, of course shud be win win with no evil intention. While China grow with African's resources, Africa's infrastructures grow & bring good live to African.
Americas conditions??? Do you mean those same conditions that saw Belgium and America under the Reagan administration conspire against the democratically elected leader 'Patrice Lamumba' and had him executed whilst a dictator was put in his place so that the west could continue to pillage the Congo?!
Im no oracle and I can not speak for the future of Africa and China but for any western idealists to play naive to the mistrust that blacks and progressionists have towards America is laughable!!
@kingwilloo7 Eisenhower administration actually & if you browse my channel, you will find a documentary about the Lumumba assassination that details CIA involvement. It was a shameful episode. Both sides did terrible things during the Cold War.
The issue isn't for Africans necessarily to trust the US or anyone else--including & especially the PRC. It is for the African peoples to have their own democratically elected governments so that they can decide what happens to their resources.
@fdfasfa5345dfgd This woman and others may seem paternalistic. There are dangers in China's approach to Africa though. The only real security for Africa is for all of her nations to become truly democratic so that the people decide what happens to their resources and their land.
She talks about Africa as if she cars about Africa and whats good for the people in the Continet more than the Africans......time has changed old lady....
the EU intentions in Africa or no more humanitarian than anybody else. they just dont want a Chinese influence in Africa.. thats not too say the chinese have good intentions either. in the end it going to be up to the African if its going too suceed
@tw1704 Hopefully Africa will rise and China may help. Nothing I have read about China's internal politics makes me want China to be moving the world in any direction.
Only Africans have the solutions to their problems. There's a big difference between genuine productive development and consumer development masquerading itself as advancement.
If Africans wants to work with the Chinese, they should work with their eyes open. It will be foolish for Africans to fall for the same trick that is now given a facelift.
This woman is talking air and hate. She hasn't done any research or she has been lying to the press. Please to anyone who make false alligations read the facts, do research. Well i can say this because my paper was about this subject.
Truly speaking, the chinese killed the African Industries, they started to started buying local shops away in order to put their most Inexpensive products inside for sale. Safe Trading Platform and Trade Commodities Now!: If one country cannot or will not buy a particular product, another one may. When one country places a trade barrier on products, other countries often respond with their own protectionist measures.
@53Africa During the Sino Africa convention in 2006 China told Africans that they were debt free from Chinese credit. Interest is 0.0% and no obligations. Investments are made directly. China's investments were not in resourcesextraction with the western countries it is.
@209275chu?China's rising demand for Africa's natural resources helped to re-establish Africa as a source of valuable commodities for the global market. Sino Africa convention, presented debt free just coz they want their chinese people 2 work in African countries.
There is corruption everywhere so please stop exaggerating that Africans r doing nothing while Botswana, South Africa, Namibia, Gabon, Nigeria,Ethiopia, Equatorial Guinea under the leadership of the African Union,Economic Community Of West African States ( ECOWAS), Southern African Development Community (SADC) headquartered in Gaborone, SACU, East African Community (EAC) made progress!
@53Africa There are signs of hope in Africa...although I don't know that I'd cite Ethiopia as an example. Still, however, a far greater % of the very poorest people on the planet are in Africa than anywhere else. Something to work on.
We are not going to fall for the european tricks! Any african country or leader who sides with the west is a trader & should be executed promptly! Africa is for the african & its friends will be rewarded & its enemies will be punished the europeans are devils & have no moral authority let them eat their own dung like they deserve for what they have done!
@yahshuah29 Unfortunately for your xenophobia and paranoia, it is impossible for African leaders to avoid trading with the West or dealing with the West in general. What you meant to say, of course, was "traitor" not "trader". While African leaders should put the interests of their people first, they cannot reasonably avoid dealings with the West and to do so would be to genuinely betray their people.
@saulpaulus Africans should deal with the west only when it benefits us & until we no longer need to & once we are strong enough we should exterminate all whites & arabs on the continent if they will not leave peacefully! & I did not mean to say anything because we are writing not talking genius!
@saulpaulus Then let me be delusional & mind your own business! Thats whats wrong with you devils you do not realize that most of the world no longer cares what you think! DEVIL
@saulpaulus I did not post anything on your page I posted a comment on a video viewable by the entire youtube community this is not your page (Channel) that is why its called public domain! But I will be adult enough to say I retract my statement calling you a devil because that was not called for & You have done nothing to me for me to call you that!
@yahshuah29 If you look, you will notice that this video was posted by me. I appreciate your retraction. Perhaps "delusional" was too strong a word for me to use. It would be more accurate to say that if your comments genuinely reflect your worldview, then I would have to regard that worldview as being unrealistic.
@saulpaulus I see it as idealistic & probably best for us. Unless you have been killed, lynched,rapped,mutilated,enslaved,robbed,oppressed,striped of history,culture,religion,language, birthright & your very humanness for 400 yrs even up to this very day then you will never understand the feeling. The funny thing is that if it where you & yours you would do all you could to stop it wouldnt you? But "Black people" do not have the same rights as human beings to life liberty or self preservation!
@yahshuah29 There has been some ugly history between the West in Africa to be sure. But to assume based on that history that the West is the enemy and China is a friend is to beg to be lied to. China would like Africans--especially African leaders--to believe that it has their best interests at heart. China wants resources and it will do whatever it takes to get them. That, unfortunately, includes facilitating genocide in Darfur.
@saulpaulus The genacide in darfur pails in comparison to what the west has & is doing to african people! What you are failing to realize is 1 china has never attacked africa in the thousands of years africans & china have had contact with each other 2 We cannot & should not trust the west in any way because well you are killing us & thwarting our attempts to rise & 3 You assume that africans are not smart enough to think strategically & use the tools at our disposal for our own objectives!
Why do u religiously support the West when their ills on Africa is uncountable? From Slavery to all the bias economic practices? Why is it that they are ready to spend billions to remove Ghadaffi who is wrongly killing 5000 people a year,but cannot use this money to immediately impact the life of 10 million DYing in Somalia and Kenya,is 5000 lifes more important than 10 millions lifes? OR THE OIL IN LYBIA IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN 10 MILLION DYING OF STARVATION IN SOMALIA?SHAME ON U!
@estorpai I don't religiously support the West and it has much to answer for as to slavery and colonialism. The West does not contribute even close to enough in official development aid and its agri policies are very destructive to Africa in particular. That said, the US is taking the lead in trying to address the famine in the Horn. Unfortunately Shabaab isn't making the administration of aid very easy.
A fact is that THE WEST HAVE NEVER EVER STOOD FOR ANYTHING THAT IS IN FAVOR OF AFRICA. Therefore you are only lamneting the chunk of loss that China is taking from the returns that u have monopolised since u established relationship with Africa.eVERY educated African and black man is happy with China in Africa, so where are you coming from Madame.
I JUST CONCLUDE U ARE REPRESENTING THE SLAVE MASTER WHO HAVE FUCKED UP AFRICA UNTIL TODAY.
Long live the relationship between China and Africa
@estorpai Hardly every African or even every educated African. Many resent what they see as Chinese exploitation. It is true that the West has not generally treated Africa well in the past although I disagree with those who say that the relationship has been entirely negative and exploitative. BTW this woman is, if memory serves, Luxembourgese and thus has no real colonial past with Africa.
Yes, those Dictators in Africa who are slaves are against China in support of the status quo that they benefit from.The west has not moral basis given their History with Africa to question Africa's dealing with China,they have never ever,i repeat,never ever served the interest of Africa and do not intend to do so. To prove me wrong,just pick up CHAD DUST IT UP,BUILD IT, the rest of Africa will abandon China in favor of The West.Stop talking,acting jealous and start Acting.
@estorpai Actually the dictators are the ones making the deals with China. Many Africans have resented the facts that: Chinese businesses frequently give the best jobs to Chinese workers and that Chinese businesses undercut African businesses and drive them out of business.
Your rendition of history is rather simplistic, my friend. Yes, the West has much to answer for in its history of dealings with Africa. But to say that the West has never done anything in Africa's interest is not correct.
Why did you not reply to this. It is the attitute of westerners to run away from their responsibility of paying us reparation for slavery,colonialism and their rule in forcing us to fight wars about communism and capitalism.They owe Africa Finances in the tune of a thousand trillion and until they pay their dues they should keep away from the honarable relationship Africa has with China.When will this jealousy and hate stop?
If u are from the world of Finance you will be worried about the rule of Luxemburg in the sponsor of corruption than you would the rule of France.Luxemburg is a financial Haven if that term means something to you. And it is where all stolen money is hidden. When you name Switzerland,Leictenstein,,Luxemburg,then Monaco.We the 99% always sound like you untril it is very too late.
@estorpai I am not from the world of finance. I do not know this woman at all and maybe Luxembourg is not innocent. But China is not in Africa out of altruism. It is there to get what it wants out of Africa and it really doesnt care what that means to Africa. Africa needs democracy so that the people control its wealth.
The argument here is between the West and China who is paying Africa more for it resources,The answer is China,simple.It is not the place of any foreign party to tell us who we should trade with now or in the future.We do not need Western Aids because we are richer than the West,just get out,leave us to control our resources ourselves,if you care to help,JUST STOP YOUR BANKS FROM COAXING THE DICTATORS THEY LIKE from SENDING OUR MONEY TO THEIR CORRUPT BANKS.
@estorpai If Africa is richer than the West, why are far more people living in poverty and dying of preventable causes there than anywhere else? Dictators like Bashir are sending their money to China rather than the West and China does not allow local control. Africa does need to become more democratic so that its people--not a few dictators and their cronies--control its resources. On that, I believe we agree.
More people live in poverty in Africa because the terris Group IMF has hijacked our economy, mortgage them to USA and the Illuminatti, and put in place their dictators who channel all our resources to their Pirate Corporations. That is why they do all to kill and illiminate dictators who are not their like Bashir of Sudan,Ghadaffi But DO ALL TO PROTECT THEIR OWN DICTATORS LIKE PAUL BIYA OF CAMEROON,MUBARAK OF EGYPT and you name them.this is western evil politics 101.
You are right, they are pretenders and Foxes in sheep cloth. Watch out when we say West we mean the government and business men. The normal Man in the street is always a victim both in Africa and in the West.
@estorpai Lets not be haste to praise China, due to our unfortunate history with the West. Our relationship with china is not so great. One of th emain dif between the 2 relationships is with the west, every African suffered, but with China only the people suffered. Our leaders are not taking care of our ppl. when it comes to Chinese deals
Excuse me, this lady is accusing that China is killing the market in Africa by flooding the markets with cheap good. Well Europe sells over subsidized foods to Africa, these subsidies kill the chance for Africans to export foodstuffs.
She said that China is turning a blind eye to democracy and human rights, something Europe has also done, propping up the worst of African dictators, especially France throught Francafrique.
@malosalele I don't totally disagree. Europe and the US DID support some cruel and corrupt dictators like Mobutu. Thankfully, they are trying to promote democracy nowadays.
The US and European agricultural subsidies are horrendous, but unfortunately the political forces that support them are quite well organized. Part of my idea would be to create the popular will to defeat these forces at least in the US.
@saulpaulus. To some extent they are promoting democracy, but France supported the successions of Faure Gnassingbé, Ali Ben Bongo and sit idol to Paul Biya. The United States assists and welcomes Meles Zenawi, despite the fact the recent elections were rigged and Ethiopia is keep the Somali and Islamist extremists at bay. José Eduardo dos Santos meets with Hillary Clinton, despite 30 years in office, kleptocracy and false elections. However I don't blame the Africans for turning to China.
@malosalele Oui, the French they are a funny race, parlez vous!!! Their behavior is often frustrating. Not much to be done other than to shame them into better behavior.
As to the Horn, the US is reaping the results of Cold War irresponsibility on both sides. The Soviet Union was just as irresponsible & probably the PRC as well. The US has, at least, tried to fix the problem. Ethiopia is not an ideal partner & their treatment of minorities is troubling. How to create stability there though?
@malosalele As to Angola, there is peace there and the opposition accepted the results of the most recent elections. US aid there is geared to creating a robust civil society & one reason Secretary Clinton met w/ Mr. dos Santos was to announce extension of the US anti AIDS program. The US is pursuing a policy of constructive engagement in Angola & that is good. Like the PRC, the US is interested in the resources of places like Angola. Unlike the PRC, the US is trying to promote democracy there.
@saulpaulus. Ultimately the PRC, US, France, Britian etc. all have business interests to persue in Africa. The West just put conditions like good governance, no corruption, proper us of the aid money etc. The Chinese don't have conditions and the African leaders love this, receiving aids and loans with no strings attached. For the PRC, the resources are of the utmost importance and must be had with any means neccessary. The African leaders are having a field day with all that money.
@malosalele Yes, the leaders...not the people. The PRC is behaving the way the West used to. It makes it even harder to promote democracy in Africa...which, I believe, is critical to the proper development of the continent.
@saulpaulus. Here in Singapore, we doing quite well for ourselves, despite of the economic downturn. The PAP has been in power for nearly 50 years and we were once a backward colony and now a first world financial centre. Lee Kuan Yew said himself, "Political reform need not go hand in hand with economic liberalisation." Many of these African countries have election after elections and nothing chances, what needs to be done first is give the people a viable income and a civilized lifestyle.
@malosalele But, as you have noted, many of those elections have been marked by fraud and thus there has been no real democracy. Genuine democracy is needed in Africa to prevent resources from being squandered for the benefit of strongmen and their allies.
@saulpaulus. Democracy doesn't always bring security and fair distribution of resources. It's up to the Africans to solve their internal problems, if outsiders attempt to interfere and try and solve the problems themselves, the Africans learn nothing. Yes, promotion of democracy, good governance and accountability is good, however I am a strong believer that the people's livelihoods and incomes must be secure first, then educations and then a higher level of government and that is democracy.
@saulpaulus. Well for me it good governance, an independent anti-corruption commission, foreign investment and an increase in education and health care expenditure. And Democracy with African characteristics, that incorporates African ideals, cultures and situations.
@bnbalenda There is SOME truth in that...but the Developed Nations (including China) do their deals with African rulers and the African people have often suffered over these deals that they had nothing to do with. I am hopeful that democracy and a better attitude by all Developed Nations will improve the development picture in Africa.
@saulpaulus Africans need to stop blaming Westerners and Chinese because we live in a competitive world. In this world, you win or you lose. If win, good, if you lose learn from it and do something that works. It is a struggle but it pays off at the end. We're wasting a lot of time. Blaming China and the West for our problems is wrong! We're not the only ones that experienced colonialism and slavery. In fact, Arabs took as a slaves before Westerners did. We are killing each other for tribes.
@jewishwarrior666 #1 I never said I agreed with giving bonuses of any kind to anybody. #2 I never said I agreed with any bailouts although some were undoubtedly necessary to help the economy. #3 I welcome disagreement with my views but will not tolerate abusive language toward me or anyone else on my threads. You are blocked.
China is promising to train 10,000 technicians from Africa and other developing countries in the use of solar energy technologies over the next five years. Training African technicians to use solar power is part of the China-Africa science and technology cooperation agreement signed by the Chinese science minister and African counterparts during premier Wen Jiabao's visit to Ethiopia last December
these white people still think china has no quality products, just look at all your clothes, the chairs and tables behind you, your shoes, all made in china. The quality is not bad right?
I haven't noted anyone arguing that China is unable to manufacture quality goods. . Many products sold in Ameica are made in China. Most are good quality, some not.
yet 99.9% are still of good quality. That's pretty good for me.
By the way, the dutch were the first people to copy products, they were copying Chinese porcelain to sell to Europeans. They were the first counterfeiter.
My point: I just don't want people to be racist to China. because it is easy to be racist when people see biased reports on china.
I have no problem with the Chinese peoples & am not well versed enough on the quality of all Chinese goods sold in the West to make an intelligent comment in that regard.
My problem is rather with a political system that, for example, takes an executive of a company that knowingly sells shoddy merchandise and, rather than fining and jailing him, executes him with very little due process. In other words, my problem is with the Chinese system of government and lack of respect for human rights.
Did Europeans under many years' colonization of Africa bring any prosperity and well being to African people? This woman even does not understand what colonization is about. And then she critizes Chinese govt. What a ridiculous talking!
It has been argued that African nations were in better shape when they received independence than they are today. Historians are still weighing the positive and negative effects of colonization.
Likewise China's relatinship with Africa has costs as well as benefits for Africa. It also has this in common with the old European colonial regimes. It exists primarily for China's benefit, not Africa\s.
saulpaulus is a cracy China hater! All he does on Youtube is bashing China, spreading lies, defending slave owners and mouthing hatred to Chinese people. He needs to find a decent job or check into a mental hospital. He definately needs some help. He must be typing on a "Made in China" keyboard. Why don't you saulpaulus go to China to promote your nobel cause? It's not good for your health when you are full of hatred.
You are a liar and a paid tool of the PRC. I have NEVER defended slave owners. I have NEVER criticized the Chinese people. I have only ever honestly, factually, and fairly called attention to the misdeeds of the Chinese government. Since I do not live in China, the PRC cannot censor me as it does its own people and it cannot put me in jail or execute me. So it pays malicious liars like you to try to discredit me. Problem is that most people know that I am telling the truth,,,so it won't work.
I don't think that is entirely truthful, but saulpaulus definitely has a western bias. Difference between China and the west is that China isn't forcing themselves on Africa the way the colonialists and imperialists did and do. Chinese revisionism is capitalism tho.
biggest problem for africa was europeans 500years of slavery just look at darfur ,truth west just cant face the fact that their days of bullying and wickedness are over
Oh, but those times are far from over: nowadays, they pay warlards and dictators to bully the population into almost-free labor. For example: your country, the UK, has funded the bloodbath comitted by Rwandan proxis into the Congo (5 million deads) all the way through to the end. Over 60% of that totalitarian regime's budget still comes from British budget support.
Slavery was a terrible crime--in which Africans as well as Europeans conspired. Africa has had many problems some of which have indeed been caused or exacerbated by the West. Darfur is not one of them. Darfur was caused by the Sudanese with the complicity of the PRC.
I've just come back from Ethiopia a beautiful country with huge potential there are many, many Chinese there. At one time I was very pleased to see the Chinese in Africa now I'm not so sure I think the Chinese have long term objectives that are not to the benefit of Africa, unfortunately Africa is weak, many of the Addis Ababa night stops are crammed with Chines. So I made a special effort to avoid such places I had a nice time otherwise.
There is certainly ugliness in past Western behavior toward Africa. And even now, Western agri subsidies hurt Africa. But the West is at least trying to do the right thing now.
Chinese aid mostly benefits the Chinese and the corrupt African autocrats they deal with.
@Kalydosos That is some good food for thought! However I feel that the Chinese presence in Africa is more rewarding than the Western presence, considering how long the West has been in Africa, yet nothing positive to show, except wars apartheid marginalization, due to nations created by colonialism! In Nigeria there is a strong Chinese presence however it is of a positive nature.We're no longer the subservient unenlightened Africans of the past, we are now more enlightened.We know what we want.
This is becoming futile. The bottom line is China is the major trading partner of the continent now, not Europe are the U.S. ACP nations see these trade policys as very beneficial, that's just the tip of the iceberg. The pressure is on for the continent to become one nation. Which will be devastating to Western economies not including Africa reaching 2.5 billion people by mid century. ACP nations will eventually succumb to Chinese pressure for one Africa.
African rulers...not African people--as repeated protests attest. The idea of Africa becoming one nation is a poor joke. Existing countries find stability and unity illusive. There have been more civil wars and internal conflicts in Africa than anywhere else. Chinese support for brutal rulers like Bashir and Mugabe only make African unity less likely.
Fair and just is a point of view that might be beneficial for one party but not the other. Fair and just is not present in any western trade policy concerning ACP nations.
Why is Europe all of a sudden concerned about trade between China and Africa ?Why is Obama and the U.S all of sudden concerned about trade policys on the continent ? "OOhh that's right they all had a vision from God to help black people LOL. What's the big deal with Africa and the Chinese trading ? Why all of a sudden when Chinese trade with Africans, the Europeans say this is not beneficial for Africa. The crediability of the west smells about as good as the fart I just made.
"Oohh so now the Europeans all of a sudden care about the people of Darfur". When the Chinese are dumping billions of investment dollars into the country. This is the twenty first century how stupid do think people are ?
The Chinese are buying billions in oil from Sudan...don't know that they are investing much there. Many westerners have been very concerned about the fate of the people of Darfur for quite some time.
Buying billions of dollars in vast oil reserves and building needed infrastructure and highways badly needed through out the continent and a major contributor of anti-viral drugs needed on the continent. Domestic problems are another issue.
Actually it is the US that is the major supplier of anti-retrovirals. The Chinese have trouble enough with HIV-AIDS in their own country. Chinese "development" projects are often of questionable value for the host country and protests in those countries are evidence that these projects are often more for the benefit of corrupt Chinese contracters.
India and China are the major importers of anti-virals to the continent. Why do you think the AIDS rate in Ghana has been cut in half do to Chinese social programs that have been on the continent for the last 40 yrs, but you will not hear that in western media.
The turnaround in HIV-AIDS treatment in Africa has been due to the US PEPFAR program. That is well documented. Any suggestion to the contrary is garbage.
Let's just ask the people of Darfur, shall we ? Kind of like we should of asked the people of Rwanda hmm ! That's right the Europeans and the west are really concerned with the people of Darfur and the genocide that's taking place their. LOL
Yes, many westerners are concerned about Darfur and felt we should have done more there as well as in Rwanda. In the case of Darfur, the Chinese have frustrated one effort after another by the West to intervene through the UN.
The West is fustrated because they cannot capitalize on vast oil reserves in the Sudan. China is their for investment and trade purposes, not to interfear with domestic problems.
That's a problem between African sudanese and the sudanese who call themselves Arabs. If Northern Sudan wants to be Arabs they can go live in Arabia and take their islam with them. Wealth from resources should go to Africans not Arab invaders who have exploited Africa just like the Europeans.
The UN is a total failure the Canadian General in charge of UN forces during the Rwanda genocide knew this as well. What's happening is a rush for resources within Europe and the U.S their just mad because their gravy train in Africa is over.
There was a collective failure to prevent the Rwandan nightmare. The West had a change of heart and had the will to intervene in Darfur...but there was China frustrating every effort. That is what is and has been happening.
if the Europeans feel threatened now . hahahaha . if you wont help us develop and continue giving money to our corrupt leaders instead of coming down here to teach us the way to move our economy then the Chinese will do it . i understand that there may be some risks but its worth trying after so many years of dealing with Europe and no progress
There's no denying that Europe during the colonial period and the US during the Cold War supported some bad actors and used Africa for their own ends. In recent years, however, Europe and the US have tried to tie aid to good governance and democracy. China is using its large cash reserves to buy off dictators who will give them the resources they want...and who will brutalize anyone who gets in their way. And China will have their back in the UN.
I just want to ask one question to this lady: Since you think what Chinese doing is so bad,then what have you US and Eupean did? You colonized African 100of years, have you brought them anything except bitterness?
Actually the US has never colonized Africa. Although there are positive aspects to European colonialism, I have pointed out that Europe has much to answer for as does the US for its behavior as to slavery and the Cold War. In recent years, however, the US and other Western nations have begun trying to promote good governance and progress in Africa while China is still seeking the old pattern.
Yes, maybe what Chinese is doing at Africa should be improve a lot.But I still strongly suggest that when you criticise China, don't get information only from those western media.Please read some published by Chinese or African.See what western media did during Tibet and Uighur roit, I become totaly unbelieve western media such as CNN o
This woman seems to forget that Africans are also grown up people who can think very well for themselves. "Ohh, why don't they want to listen to us anymore!" (whine, whine) She makes this excuse because Europe is losing territory as it can't compete with China in selling deals. And YES, of course China's thinking only for itself. So are the Africans. And Europe. It's called business and it's about having mutual interests. Win-win! Woman should stop butting her nose into other people's business
SonnyGoten89 3 weeks ago
@SonnyGoten89 Perhaps she is being overly paternalistic and a bit hypocritical but I share the concern that China's involvement in Africa is not good for Africans in the long run.
saulpaulus 3 weeks ago
@saulpaulus Even if that were true, it is still not her business to get involved. The Africans have the freedom to choose for themselves who to do business with. If you bear this freedom, then you must also shoulder the consequences of your own choices. Besides, I think you are giving Africans too little credit here, they're not ignorant people - they know their own interests, and they know what they're doing. Also, why would you say that China's involvement is not good in the long run?
SonnyGoten89 3 weeks ago
@SonnyGoten89 The Africans as peoples, yes. But leaders often think selfishly which is why Africa needs more democracy. What I have read of China's involvement in Africa worries me.
saulpaulus 3 weeks ago
@saulpaulus Democracy is a farce of the privileged people. You can't have democracy when people don't even have enough food and a roof above their heads. That's why the first priority of Africans should be economic growth, which leads to independence and that's the first step to empowerment and bettering one's own country. Also Africans must find their own solutions to bad leaders, because that too is a part of independence and empowerment. Lastly, what did you read?
SonnyGoten89 3 weeks ago
@SonnyGoten89 Democracy is the only way that the people without can make the elites care for their needs. Otherwise you have "development" that gives the real jobs to Chinese & trophy development projects for local "big men". I've read various books and articles that confirm this.
saulpaulus 3 weeks ago
@saulpaulus That's also a load of bull, because the US elites certainly don't care for their people and they're a democracy. Also, China is not a democracy, yet its progression these last 30 years has been envy worthy. Other non-democratic countries such as Singapore do very well too. The people need to unite to pressure the leaders into developing the country economically first. They need to integrate into the global market and China's investments are a start to this.
SonnyGoten89 3 weeks ago
@SonnyGoten89 In the US, elections hold leaders accountable if they dont attend to voters' needs. PRC has progressed but that progress hasnt touched the vast majority. Singapore is a representative democracy of the parliamentary type.. And its not "bull" but fact to say that Western control of African nations in the early post-colonial period was facilitated through African dictators who helped Western governments & corporations, enriched themselves, & hurt their people.
saulpaulus 3 weeks ago
@saulpaulus Remember that Adolf Hitler was also chosen in a democracy? A poor country and democracy just doesn't work. And the PRC single-handedly pulled more people out of poverty than there are people living in the entire of Africa, simply by changing their economy. As for Singapore, according to Amnesty International, in 2010 laws were tightened to limit the freedom of expression and assembly, and used to threaten critics and opposition activists, so it's not real democracy.
SonnyGoten89 3 weeks ago
@saulpaulus By the way, with "bull" I meant this part: "Democracy is the only way that the people without can make the elites care for their needs." not the part about the dictators being helped by Western governments. So, again I will say that economy goes first, not democracy. The people need to unite themselves to pressure their government into bettering the economy first. Only after THAT, can a country progress into democracy or whatever 'cracy is best suited for the nation.
SonnyGoten89 3 weeks ago
@saulpaulus Lastly, I will say this: No elite -whether democracy, communism, autocracy, etc.- will ever care for its people's needs. It's the people who need to care for themselves. They need to unite to pressure their leaders into becoming competent. Africans therefore need to unite to pressure their leaders into getting their economies back together. When the money starts flowing in, schools and hospitals, etc. can be build and the country can progress from there.
SonnyGoten89 3 weeks ago
White Devil bitch; Chinese colonization is better than White devil nation, at least the Chinese build roads, railroads, freeways, hospitals, colleges & they never massacre Black African to steal resource. The Chinese cancel all African debts; they Chinese pay for what they want, unlike Caucasian subhuman that rape, bombs & massacre people to steal food for children.
NAGANEGUS 4 weeks ago
@NAGANEGUS Sounds like you're describing Darfur and crimes committed by the Sudanese with Chinese collusion.
saulpaulus 4 weeks ago
@saulpaulus..Damn Devil; let Africa live in peace, stop pushing & bully African around. I swear one this day black African in US will strike back; you will see Caucasian running like Belgium crying & city burning like England, take a break cave man, the world is fed with you.
NAGANEGUS 4 weeks ago
@NAGANEGUS I am happy for Africans to live in peace. Can't say that China is.
saulpaulus 4 weeks ago
@MegaKuniva You were warned.
saulpaulus 1 month ago
WHATEVER CHINA'S INTENTIONS ARE WITH AFRICA WHO KNOWS! AT LEAST THEY ARE ENGAGING WITH AFRICA WITH RESPECT AND NOT MEDDLING IN HER AFFAIRS. WHAT EURPEANS HAVE BEEN DOING IN AFRICA FOR THE PAST 60 YEARS WAS NOTHING BUT BLEEDING THE CONTINENT, CREATING CIVIL WARS, REMOVING GOOD LEADERS BY FORCE AND REPLACING THEM WITH DICTATORS, FORCE IN PLACE ECONMIC CONDITIONS WHICH CREATES A PERFECT CONDITION TO ALLOW THEM CONTINUE RUBBING AFRICANS. LONG LIVE CHINA AND AFRICA..........
wuyeh100 1 month ago
@wuyeh100 What respect? They want resources and they do what they need to in order to get them without regard to hwo it affects the people in the countries they get the resources from. That's not respect. Its a new form of colonialism.
saulpaulus 1 month ago
@wuyeh100 what ever the case is, it is for mutual benefit. Even the westerns never put themselves of off taken the resource. when one need to make a business, one has to provide what the other needs, that is the source of business I think. Therefore, Chine is providing what African countries don't have (actually they are building infrastructures which is the main thing for a country to move forward). Making a statement Chine need a resource is a foolish statement, what else is there in Africa?
NenaChiruNena2010 1 month ago
@NenaChiruNena2010 If they were providing the African PEOPLE with what they needed, I would agree. Their projects largely create jobs for Chinese workers brought in for that purpose. These projects are often dangerous to local enviromnments and rarely benefit the average citizen in any way. Moreover you have horror stories like Darfur where the PRC blocked efforts to prevent genocide to ensure access to oil.
saulpaulus 1 month ago
@saulpaulus History tell us westerns are no good to Africa at all, leave this aside. When you say ''if they were providing'' what have they provided? Money? aid? which indirectly they themselves have had created in first place. Slavery now days is in the mind. Africans are better of off any one out there trying to help them. What is wrong with trying to be self reliance to make that happen you need infrastructure and that is what the Chines doing up there.
NenaChiruNena2010 1 month ago
@saulpaulus All the problems in Africa was created by the outsiders who wants Africa to stay ignorant by creating conflict (war), leads to poverty.. an settlement, migrants name it... Cause the outsiders were after the natural resources, they doing so by putting dictators to be a leader and making their pocket fat ~ they never cared about the society and at the end of the day all the dictators either they flee or get killed then the country has to start all over again.
NenaChiruNena2010 1 month ago
@saulpaulus Why do you think now the world is against dictators as if they never being friends with them all the past decades. A recent example who destroyed Libya upside down by bombing the entire country? and yet still Chine is trying to make contract with them to build the countries infrastructure an't that a wise move of them? Isn't it UK as eg. making making by putting cheap labour in Bangladish, India some where in Asian countries with even some of it is their own resources.
NenaChiruNena2010 1 month ago
@saulpaulus There never was any fair trade exchange. Why is that now hard to swallow when one move on to their next destiny with out even accusing the faults Africans had faced for hundreds of years. Can any one give a break to Africa to do their own decision. Who are other to think on behalf of Africa to give analyses as if they really care for her.
NenaChiruNena2010 1 month ago
@saulpaulus Diamond~Seirra Lion and others, Gold tantalum tin and tungsten ~ Congo, Oil~Libia, Oil~Nigeria and others, Now Eritrea is progressing and has being a good example for Africa to show how to do and to be self reliance with out interference of others in their own business. So to say China needs only the resource is lame statement. It is obvious they are there for their own benefit but the most important they are producing what the countries needs and are way far from creating chaos.
NenaChiruNena2010 1 month ago
@NenaChiruNena2010 China is in these countries to help its own economy and provide Chinese with jobs. Their projects rarely provide significant benefit to the local economy. Also China supports brutal regimes in places like Sudan and Zimbabwe.Been a fair amount of chaos and mayhem in those countries with Chinese complicity.
saulpaulus 4 weeks ago
@saulpaulus am smelling unfair thought here. Leaving Africa to control her own wealth and to make business with whom ever they want to make is fair view I think. But I only can understand your concern is not Africa but worried about the development of Chines economy ''funny''. Am still talking through the view of Africans. And since u have mentioned they support Sudan and Zimbabwe regime, since when did other countries thought of Africa (As humanity with out putting their benefit prior) ?
NenaChiruNena2010 4 weeks ago
@saulpaulus Plus where were the countries those ''you have in mind'' when Rwandan people were brutalised and over 1million people died with in short period of time. Isn't that single example make your statement weak? and why they didn't interfair to help ''humans''?. Oh I forgot they can't benefit from Rwanda smh.
Speaking of Sudan I am from East Africa myself so all what am speaking to you is not out of my theory but experience.
NenaChiruNena2010 4 weeks ago
@saulpaulus And one thing I need to remind you is. Please for God sake can we just try to see things through disadvantaged people, unfortunate people, and who need help most. Actually most of African problem has been created from outsiders to escalate their own benefit and the world was watching as if they know nothing is happening. Almost ever single country was under colony of those western countries. Isn't it true my brother?
NenaChiruNena2010 4 weeks ago
@saulpaulus So why are now the western trying to be saints and trying to make a statement as if Chines are there to make their own benefit but dont' care about Africa. Isn't that lame statement to make. After all we as African don't need any one to think about us, we are better of to develop our own nations if other keep their hands out of our business.
NenaChiruNena2010 4 weeks ago
@saulpaulus One thing I fail to understand you is. Are you speaking of Africans benefit? Or worried about Chines economy is rising up? Or western countries are losing their place to have a business in Africa? I really want to know that brother. So would help me to understand if you speaking of ''humanity'' ''Politically'' or ''Business'' wise. for all of those have different ideology. God bless you my brother.
NenaChiruNena2010 4 weeks ago
@saulpaulus Those countries I have mentioned above have you ever seen any peace, harmony and stability on these countries and other NO. Why?
NenaChiruNena2010 1 month ago
Hehe funny hoe this dam nearnderthals are so jealous.why must china love afrika its just trade nobody must care nor love each other you stupid fucks.the chinese wants resourses and in turn built infrastructure and investment.how is that colonization.keep talking bout colonisation if is makes yall feel better.why won't you fix your collapsing west hehehe.bitch invest your time worrying bout your wrinkles
MegaKuniva 1 month ago
@MegaKuniva That's how modern colonialism works. Instead of occupying a country, you simply take control of its resources. My argumrnt is that each country should control its own resources for the benefit of its people--NOT for a dictator & foreign colonialists whether from China or the West. BTW, I am happy for you to express your views, but please avoid crude language.
saulpaulus 1 month ago
If you need to make your point in caps then you've already lost.
belzondium 1 month ago
THIS WOMAN NEEDS TO SHUT UP. WHAT DID EUROPE DID FOR AFRICA APART FROM COLONIALISM AND SLAVERY. CHINA OFFER A BETTER DEAL, EUROPEANS ON THE OTHER HAND ONLY WANT TO RUB AFRICANS
wuyeh100 1 month ago
@wuyeh100 China offers modern colonialism--see above.
saulpaulus 1 month ago
Black man you are on your own - Steve Biko
Sabstance 1 month ago
DO NOT PROFIT AH , DO YOU PROFIT SHUT UP.
carlos64041 1 month ago
the white lady doesn't want Africa to prosper. she is jealous about China helping Africa instead of troubled EU. It's China's money. She doesn't have the right to complain. hahaha
emanjan 2 months ago
For so many decades, western countries made Africa as their slaves. But here comes China to the rescue. western countries panic to help Europe. China refuse to help Europe, instead invest in Africa. smart
emanjan 2 months ago
@emanjan It is true that the West has an ugly history with Africa. It is also true that the West does not offer enough in aid or investment and that its agricultural subsidies are unfair.
That said, the idea that China is coming to Africa's rescue is laughable. China wants Africa's resources and does not care how obtaining them affects Africa's people or its environment.
saulpaulus 2 months ago
LOL Ladies and Gentleman weatern propaganda at its best lol hahahahahhahahahahahaa
imjsutthatguy 2 months ago
africans its tyme to put ur shit togther, we shouldnt lt history repeat itself coz afican doesnt ave the weapons nd man power for war plz africans plz dnt lt colonisation happen agian to innocent ppl.
243joanna 2 months ago
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Be open-minded, use yr own brain to think deep.
Westerner never help African to grow, they bullied, killed & slaved them to their own advantage. They think they're superior in race.
China is sincerely and massively investing in Africa, of course shud be win win with no evil intention. While China grow with African's resources, Africa's infrastructures grow & bring good live to African.
All of above are FACT.
karmlan123 3 months ago
Americas conditions??? Do you mean those same conditions that saw Belgium and America under the Reagan administration conspire against the democratically elected leader 'Patrice Lamumba' and had him executed whilst a dictator was put in his place so that the west could continue to pillage the Congo?!
Im no oracle and I can not speak for the future of Africa and China but for any western idealists to play naive to the mistrust that blacks and progressionists have towards America is laughable!!
kingwilloo7 3 months ago
@kingwilloo7 Eisenhower administration actually & if you browse my channel, you will find a documentary about the Lumumba assassination that details CIA involvement. It was a shameful episode. Both sides did terrible things during the Cold War.
The issue isn't for Africans necessarily to trust the US or anyone else--including & especially the PRC. It is for the African peoples to have their own democratically elected governments so that they can decide what happens to their resources.
saulpaulus 3 months ago
Why only EU have the right to do thing in African , because they are "WHITE"?
fdfasfa5345dfgd 4 months ago
@fdfasfa5345dfgd This woman and others may seem paternalistic. There are dangers in China's approach to Africa though. The only real security for Africa is for all of her nations to become truly democratic so that the people decide what happens to their resources and their land.
saulpaulus 4 months ago
china want africa people to make high end product for rich people so that africa can
work less earn more profit. china make cheap product for poor people so more people can effort
charles789789 5 months ago
She talks about Africa as if she cars about Africa and whats good for the people in the Continet more than the Africans......time has changed old lady....
Africaunite2020 5 months ago
This woman is blabering on
lonsted123 5 months ago
wizz zie afrikans ahahaahahaahhh....
DegahbourCity 6 months ago
the EU intentions in Africa or no more humanitarian than anybody else. they just dont want a Chinese influence in Africa.. thats not too say the chinese have good intentions either. in the end it going to be up to the African if its going too suceed
kingzula 7 months ago
Long live Africa and Chinas rise. Together both culture can move the world in the right direction.
tw1704 7 months ago 5
@tw1704 Hopefully Africa will rise and China may help. Nothing I have read about China's internal politics makes me want China to be moving the world in any direction.
saulpaulus 7 months ago
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kingzula 7 months ago
@tw1704 thats only if thats the chinese intention
kingzula 7 months ago
Only Africans have the solutions to their problems. There's a big difference between genuine productive development and consumer development masquerading itself as advancement.
If Africans wants to work with the Chinese, they should work with their eyes open. It will be foolish for Africans to fall for the same trick that is now given a facelift.
Only Africans can push Africa forward
afroblack1000 8 months ago
@afroblack1000 Exactly!
bnbalenda 6 months ago
This woman is talking air and hate. She hasn't done any research or she has been lying to the press. Please to anyone who make false alligations read the facts, do research. Well i can say this because my paper was about this subject.
209275chu 9 months ago
Truly speaking, the chinese killed the African Industries, they started to started buying local shops away in order to put their most Inexpensive products inside for sale. Safe Trading Platform and Trade Commodities Now!: If one country cannot or will not buy a particular product, another one may. When one country places a trade barrier on products, other countries often respond with their own protectionist measures.
53Africa 11 months ago
@53Africa Yes, and to be honest the US and Europe have their own unhelpful agri subsidies that make it harder for Africa to compete.
saulpaulus 11 months ago 6
@53Africa During the Sino Africa convention in 2006 China told Africans that they were debt free from Chinese credit. Interest is 0.0% and no obligations. Investments are made directly. China's investments were not in resourcesextraction with the western countries it is.
209275chu 9 months ago
@209275chu?China's rising demand for Africa's natural resources helped to re-establish Africa as a source of valuable commodities for the global market. Sino Africa convention, presented debt free just coz they want their chinese people 2 work in African countries.
53Africa 9 months ago
There is corruption everywhere so please stop exaggerating that Africans r doing nothing while Botswana, South Africa, Namibia, Gabon, Nigeria,Ethiopia, Equatorial Guinea under the leadership of the African Union,Economic Community Of West African States ( ECOWAS), Southern African Development Community (SADC) headquartered in Gaborone, SACU, East African Community (EAC) made progress!
53Africa 11 months ago
@53Africa There are signs of hope in Africa...although I don't know that I'd cite Ethiopia as an example. Still, however, a far greater % of the very poorest people on the planet are in Africa than anywhere else. Something to work on.
saulpaulus 11 months ago
What africans is that Lady speaking for ? uncle TOM'S.
TheEwooz 11 months ago 2
We are not going to fall for the european tricks! Any african country or leader who sides with the west is a trader & should be executed promptly! Africa is for the african & its friends will be rewarded & its enemies will be punished the europeans are devils & have no moral authority let them eat their own dung like they deserve for what they have done!
yahshuah29 1 year ago
@yahshuah29 Unfortunately for your xenophobia and paranoia, it is impossible for African leaders to avoid trading with the West or dealing with the West in general. What you meant to say, of course, was "traitor" not "trader". While African leaders should put the interests of their people first, they cannot reasonably avoid dealings with the West and to do so would be to genuinely betray their people.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus Africans should deal with the west only when it benefits us & until we no longer need to & once we are strong enough we should exterminate all whites & arabs on the continent if they will not leave peacefully! & I did not mean to say anything because we are writing not talking genius!
yahshuah29 1 year ago
@yahshuah29 Genius enough to realize that you are delusional.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus Then let me be delusional & mind your own business! Thats whats wrong with you devils you do not realize that most of the world no longer cares what you think! DEVIL
yahshuah29 1 year ago
@yahshuah29 I am and was. It was you who decided to post your abuse and paranoia on my page in the first place.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus I did not post anything on your page I posted a comment on a video viewable by the entire youtube community this is not your page (Channel) that is why its called public domain! But I will be adult enough to say I retract my statement calling you a devil because that was not called for & You have done nothing to me for me to call you that!
yahshuah29 1 year ago
@yahshuah29 If you look, you will notice that this video was posted by me. I appreciate your retraction. Perhaps "delusional" was too strong a word for me to use. It would be more accurate to say that if your comments genuinely reflect your worldview, then I would have to regard that worldview as being unrealistic.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus I see it as idealistic & probably best for us. Unless you have been killed, lynched,rapped,mutilated,enslaved,robbed,oppressed,striped of history,culture,religion,language, birthright & your very humanness for 400 yrs even up to this very day then you will never understand the feeling. The funny thing is that if it where you & yours you would do all you could to stop it wouldnt you? But "Black people" do not have the same rights as human beings to life liberty or self preservation!
yahshuah29 1 year ago
@yahshuah29 There has been some ugly history between the West in Africa to be sure. But to assume based on that history that the West is the enemy and China is a friend is to beg to be lied to. China would like Africans--especially African leaders--to believe that it has their best interests at heart. China wants resources and it will do whatever it takes to get them. That, unfortunately, includes facilitating genocide in Darfur.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus The genacide in darfur pails in comparison to what the west has & is doing to african people! What you are failing to realize is 1 china has never attacked africa in the thousands of years africans & china have had contact with each other 2 We cannot & should not trust the west in any way because well you are killing us & thwarting our attempts to rise & 3 You assume that africans are not smart enough to think strategically & use the tools at our disposal for our own objectives!
yahshuah29 1 year ago
@saulpaulus
Why do u religiously support the West when their ills on Africa is uncountable? From Slavery to all the bias economic practices? Why is it that they are ready to spend billions to remove Ghadaffi who is wrongly killing 5000 people a year,but cannot use this money to immediately impact the life of 10 million DYing in Somalia and Kenya,is 5000 lifes more important than 10 millions lifes? OR THE OIL IN LYBIA IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN 10 MILLION DYING OF STARVATION IN SOMALIA?SHAME ON U!
estorpai 4 months ago
@estorpai I don't religiously support the West and it has much to answer for as to slavery and colonialism. The West does not contribute even close to enough in official development aid and its agri policies are very destructive to Africa in particular. That said, the US is taking the lead in trying to address the famine in the Horn. Unfortunately Shabaab isn't making the administration of aid very easy.
saulpaulus 4 months ago
A fact is that THE WEST HAVE NEVER EVER STOOD FOR ANYTHING THAT IS IN FAVOR OF AFRICA. Therefore you are only lamneting the chunk of loss that China is taking from the returns that u have monopolised since u established relationship with Africa.eVERY educated African and black man is happy with China in Africa, so where are you coming from Madame.
I JUST CONCLUDE U ARE REPRESENTING THE SLAVE MASTER WHO HAVE FUCKED UP AFRICA UNTIL TODAY.
Long live the relationship between China and Africa
estorpai 1 year ago 20
@estorpai Hardly every African or even every educated African. Many resent what they see as Chinese exploitation. It is true that the West has not generally treated Africa well in the past although I disagree with those who say that the relationship has been entirely negative and exploitative. BTW this woman is, if memory serves, Luxembourgese and thus has no real colonial past with Africa.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus
Yes, those Dictators in Africa who are slaves are against China in support of the status quo that they benefit from.The west has not moral basis given their History with Africa to question Africa's dealing with China,they have never ever,i repeat,never ever served the interest of Africa and do not intend to do so. To prove me wrong,just pick up CHAD DUST IT UP,BUILD IT, the rest of Africa will abandon China in favor of The West.Stop talking,acting jealous and start Acting.
estorpai 1 year ago
@estorpai Actually the dictators are the ones making the deals with China. Many Africans have resented the facts that: Chinese businesses frequently give the best jobs to Chinese workers and that Chinese businesses undercut African businesses and drive them out of business.
Your rendition of history is rather simplistic, my friend. Yes, the West has much to answer for in its history of dealings with Africa. But to say that the West has never done anything in Africa's interest is not correct.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus
There a saying in Africa that say"when u bend down to look at is in somebody,s ass,people see ur ass with bending down,and see it very well'.
The west is trying to look in to Chinas ass and the process,they are bending down and exposing their back side.
First romove the rock that is in your eyes(WEST) then you can pick the small sand that is in China's eye.
estorpai 1 year ago
@estorpai Too silly to respond to.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@estorpai
Why did you not reply to this. It is the attitute of westerners to run away from their responsibility of paying us reparation for slavery,colonialism and their rule in forcing us to fight wars about communism and capitalism.They owe Africa Finances in the tune of a thousand trillion and until they pay their dues they should keep away from the honarable relationship Africa has with China.When will this jealousy and hate stop?
estorpai 4 months ago
@saulpaulus
If u are from the world of Finance you will be worried about the rule of Luxemburg in the sponsor of corruption than you would the rule of France.Luxemburg is a financial Haven if that term means something to you. And it is where all stolen money is hidden. When you name Switzerland,Leictenstein,,Luxemburg,then Monaco.We the 99% always sound like you untril it is very too late.
estorpai 4 months ago
@estorpai I am not from the world of finance. I do not know this woman at all and maybe Luxembourg is not innocent. But China is not in Africa out of altruism. It is there to get what it wants out of Africa and it really doesnt care what that means to Africa. Africa needs democracy so that the people control its wealth.
saulpaulus 4 months ago
@saulpaulus
The argument here is between the West and China who is paying Africa more for it resources,The answer is China,simple.It is not the place of any foreign party to tell us who we should trade with now or in the future.We do not need Western Aids because we are richer than the West,just get out,leave us to control our resources ourselves,if you care to help,JUST STOP YOUR BANKS FROM COAXING THE DICTATORS THEY LIKE from SENDING OUR MONEY TO THEIR CORRUPT BANKS.
estorpai 4 months ago
@estorpai If Africa is richer than the West, why are far more people living in poverty and dying of preventable causes there than anywhere else? Dictators like Bashir are sending their money to China rather than the West and China does not allow local control. Africa does need to become more democratic so that its people--not a few dictators and their cronies--control its resources. On that, I believe we agree.
saulpaulus 4 months ago
@saulpaulus
More people live in poverty in Africa because the terris Group IMF has hijacked our economy, mortgage them to USA and the Illuminatti, and put in place their dictators who channel all our resources to their Pirate Corporations. That is why they do all to kill and illiminate dictators who are not their like Bashir of Sudan,Ghadaffi But DO ALL TO PROTECT THEIR OWN DICTATORS LIKE PAUL BIYA OF CAMEROON,MUBARAK OF EGYPT and you name them.this is western evil politics 101.
estorpai 4 months ago
@estorpai
Western only like to talk, talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk , talk until your grandson, they will still talk without doing anything, chinese is pragmatic, they know talk cannot solve the problem
fdfasfa5345dfgd 4 months ago
@fdfasfa5345dfgd
You are right, they are pretenders and Foxes in sheep cloth. Watch out when we say West we mean the government and business men. The normal Man in the street is always a victim both in Africa and in the West.
estorpai 4 months ago
@fdfasfa5345dfgd The only "problem" the Chinese are looking to solve is getting the resources they need for THEIR economy.
saulpaulus 4 months ago
@estorpai Lets not be haste to praise China, due to our unfortunate history with the West. Our relationship with china is not so great. One of th emain dif between the 2 relationships is with the west, every African suffered, but with China only the people suffered. Our leaders are not taking care of our ppl. when it comes to Chinese deals
traccstar1182 3 months ago
Excuse me, this lady is accusing that China is killing the market in Africa by flooding the markets with cheap good. Well Europe sells over subsidized foods to Africa, these subsidies kill the chance for Africans to export foodstuffs.
She said that China is turning a blind eye to democracy and human rights, something Europe has also done, propping up the worst of African dictators, especially France throught Francafrique.
Please stop the hypocracy.
malosalele 1 year ago
@malosalele I don't totally disagree. Europe and the US DID support some cruel and corrupt dictators like Mobutu. Thankfully, they are trying to promote democracy nowadays.
The US and European agricultural subsidies are horrendous, but unfortunately the political forces that support them are quite well organized. Part of my idea would be to create the popular will to defeat these forces at least in the US.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus. To some extent they are promoting democracy, but France supported the successions of Faure Gnassingbé, Ali Ben Bongo and sit idol to Paul Biya. The United States assists and welcomes Meles Zenawi, despite the fact the recent elections were rigged and Ethiopia is keep the Somali and Islamist extremists at bay. José Eduardo dos Santos meets with Hillary Clinton, despite 30 years in office, kleptocracy and false elections. However I don't blame the Africans for turning to China.
malosalele 1 year ago
@malosalele Oui, the French they are a funny race, parlez vous!!! Their behavior is often frustrating. Not much to be done other than to shame them into better behavior.
As to the Horn, the US is reaping the results of Cold War irresponsibility on both sides. The Soviet Union was just as irresponsible & probably the PRC as well. The US has, at least, tried to fix the problem. Ethiopia is not an ideal partner & their treatment of minorities is troubling. How to create stability there though?
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@malosalele As to Angola, there is peace there and the opposition accepted the results of the most recent elections. US aid there is geared to creating a robust civil society & one reason Secretary Clinton met w/ Mr. dos Santos was to announce extension of the US anti AIDS program. The US is pursuing a policy of constructive engagement in Angola & that is good. Like the PRC, the US is interested in the resources of places like Angola. Unlike the PRC, the US is trying to promote democracy there.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus. Ultimately the PRC, US, France, Britian etc. all have business interests to persue in Africa. The West just put conditions like good governance, no corruption, proper us of the aid money etc. The Chinese don't have conditions and the African leaders love this, receiving aids and loans with no strings attached. For the PRC, the resources are of the utmost importance and must be had with any means neccessary. The African leaders are having a field day with all that money.
malosalele 1 year ago
@malosalele Yes, the leaders...not the people. The PRC is behaving the way the West used to. It makes it even harder to promote democracy in Africa...which, I believe, is critical to the proper development of the continent.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus. Here in Singapore, we doing quite well for ourselves, despite of the economic downturn. The PAP has been in power for nearly 50 years and we were once a backward colony and now a first world financial centre. Lee Kuan Yew said himself, "Political reform need not go hand in hand with economic liberalisation." Many of these African countries have election after elections and nothing chances, what needs to be done first is give the people a viable income and a civilized lifestyle.
malosalele 1 year ago
@malosalele But, as you have noted, many of those elections have been marked by fraud and thus there has been no real democracy. Genuine democracy is needed in Africa to prevent resources from being squandered for the benefit of strongmen and their allies.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus. Democracy doesn't always bring security and fair distribution of resources. It's up to the Africans to solve their internal problems, if outsiders attempt to interfere and try and solve the problems themselves, the Africans learn nothing. Yes, promotion of democracy, good governance and accountability is good, however I am a strong believer that the people's livelihoods and incomes must be secure first, then educations and then a higher level of government and that is democracy.
malosalele 1 year ago
@malosalele In Africa, I believe that democracy--real democracy--will be essential to establishing decent livelihoods for most Africans.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus. Well for me it good governance, an independent anti-corruption commission, foreign investment and an increase in education and health care expenditure. And Democracy with African characteristics, that incorporates African ideals, cultures and situations.
malosalele 1 year ago
Oh god. This woman has such an annoying rasping voice lol
katanaxou 1 year ago
Africans needs to stop blaming things on both Europe and China. It's time for Africa to take responsibility.
bnbalenda 1 year ago
@bnbalenda There is SOME truth in that...but the Developed Nations (including China) do their deals with African rulers and the African people have often suffered over these deals that they had nothing to do with. I am hopeful that democracy and a better attitude by all Developed Nations will improve the development picture in Africa.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
@saulpaulus Africans need to stop blaming Westerners and Chinese because we live in a competitive world. In this world, you win or you lose. If win, good, if you lose learn from it and do something that works. It is a struggle but it pays off at the end. We're wasting a lot of time. Blaming China and the West for our problems is wrong! We're not the only ones that experienced colonialism and slavery. In fact, Arabs took as a slaves before Westerners did. We are killing each other for tribes.
bnbalenda 6 months ago
@jewishwarrior666 You are a foul-mouthed tool of the PRC--which is exploiting Africa for its own benefit.
saulpaulus 1 year ago
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saulpaulus 1 year ago
China is promising to train 10,000 technicians from Africa and other developing countries in the use of solar energy technologies over the next five years. Training African technicians to use solar power is part of the China-Africa science and technology cooperation agreement signed by the Chinese science minister and African counterparts during premier Wen Jiabao's visit to Ethiopia last December
TheNebulaPlanet 1 year ago
these white people still think china has no quality products, just look at all your clothes, the chairs and tables behind you, your shoes, all made in china. The quality is not bad right?
solidysnake1 2 years ago
I haven't noted anyone arguing that China is unable to manufacture quality goods. . Many products sold in Ameica are made in China. Most are good quality, some not.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
even if the quality is bad it's not china's fault because American company is responsible for the quality control.
And most are excellent quality.
solidysnake1 2 years ago
American companies are responsible for product design. Quality control is at the manufacturing end.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
yet 99.9% are still of good quality. That's pretty good for me.
By the way, the dutch were the first people to copy products, they were copying Chinese porcelain to sell to Europeans. They were the first counterfeiter.
My point: I just don't want people to be racist to China. because it is easy to be racist when people see biased reports on china.
solidysnake1 2 years ago
I have no problem with the Chinese peoples & am not well versed enough on the quality of all Chinese goods sold in the West to make an intelligent comment in that regard.
My problem is rather with a political system that, for example, takes an executive of a company that knowingly sells shoddy merchandise and, rather than fining and jailing him, executes him with very little due process. In other words, my problem is with the Chinese system of government and lack of respect for human rights.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
Did Europeans under many years' colonization of Africa bring any prosperity and well being to African people? This woman even does not understand what colonization is about. And then she critizes Chinese govt. What a ridiculous talking!
MrWherewe 2 years ago
It has been argued that African nations were in better shape when they received independence than they are today. Historians are still weighing the positive and negative effects of colonization.
Likewise China's relatinship with Africa has costs as well as benefits for Africa. It also has this in common with the old European colonial regimes. It exists primarily for China's benefit, not Africa\s.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
saulpaulus is a cracy China hater! All he does on Youtube is bashing China, spreading lies, defending slave owners and mouthing hatred to Chinese people. He needs to find a decent job or check into a mental hospital. He definately needs some help. He must be typing on a "Made in China" keyboard. Why don't you saulpaulus go to China to promote your nobel cause? It's not good for your health when you are full of hatred.
russiangymfan 2 years ago
You are a liar and a paid tool of the PRC. I have NEVER defended slave owners. I have NEVER criticized the Chinese people. I have only ever honestly, factually, and fairly called attention to the misdeeds of the Chinese government. Since I do not live in China, the PRC cannot censor me as it does its own people and it cannot put me in jail or execute me. So it pays malicious liars like you to try to discredit me. Problem is that most people know that I am telling the truth,,,so it won't work.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
I don't think that is entirely truthful, but saulpaulus definitely has a western bias. Difference between China and the west is that China isn't forcing themselves on Africa the way the colonialists and imperialists did and do. Chinese revisionism is capitalism tho.
marcelthemaoist 2 years ago
biggest problem for africa was europeans 500years of slavery just look at darfur ,truth west just cant face the fact that their days of bullying and wickedness are over
monicabrsgooglemail 2 years ago
Oh, but those times are far from over: nowadays, they pay warlards and dictators to bully the population into almost-free labor. For example: your country, the UK, has funded the bloodbath comitted by Rwandan proxis into the Congo (5 million deads) all the way through to the end. Over 60% of that totalitarian regime's budget still comes from British budget support.
Bazompora 2 years ago
Slavery was a terrible crime--in which Africans as well as Europeans conspired. Africa has had many problems some of which have indeed been caused or exacerbated by the West. Darfur is not one of them. Darfur was caused by the Sudanese with the complicity of the PRC.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
I've just come back from Ethiopia a beautiful country with huge potential there are many, many Chinese there. At one time I was very pleased to see the Chinese in Africa now I'm not so sure I think the Chinese have long term objectives that are not to the benefit of Africa, unfortunately Africa is weak, many of the Addis Ababa night stops are crammed with Chines. So I made a special effort to avoid such places I had a nice time otherwise.
Kalydosos 2 years ago
There is certainly ugliness in past Western behavior toward Africa. And even now, Western agri subsidies hurt Africa. But the West is at least trying to do the right thing now.
Chinese aid mostly benefits the Chinese and the corrupt African autocrats they deal with.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
@Kalydosos That is some good food for thought! However I feel that the Chinese presence in Africa is more rewarding than the Western presence, considering how long the West has been in Africa, yet nothing positive to show, except wars apartheid marginalization, due to nations created by colonialism! In Nigeria there is a strong Chinese presence however it is of a positive nature.We're no longer the subservient unenlightened Africans of the past, we are now more enlightened.We know what we want.
vixxy02 2 years ago
This is becoming futile. The bottom line is China is the major trading partner of the continent now, not Europe are the U.S. ACP nations see these trade policys as very beneficial, that's just the tip of the iceberg. The pressure is on for the continent to become one nation. Which will be devastating to Western economies not including Africa reaching 2.5 billion people by mid century. ACP nations will eventually succumb to Chinese pressure for one Africa.
DIJV79 2 years ago
African rulers...not African people--as repeated protests attest. The idea of Africa becoming one nation is a poor joke. Existing countries find stability and unity illusive. There have been more civil wars and internal conflicts in Africa than anywhere else. Chinese support for brutal rulers like Bashir and Mugabe only make African unity less likely.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
There is not a western solution, history proves that time and time again.
DIJV79 2 years ago 2
Don't know that history proves any such thing...and it isn't a matter of a western solution as much as a fair and a just one.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
Fair and just is a point of view that might be beneficial for one party but not the other. Fair and just is not present in any western trade policy concerning ACP nations.
DIJV79 2 years ago 2
I agree that part of a fair and just solution would be to end Western agri subsidies.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
Why is Europe all of a sudden concerned about trade between China and Africa ?Why is Obama and the U.S all of sudden concerned about trade policys on the continent ? "OOhh that's right they all had a vision from God to help black people LOL. What's the big deal with Africa and the Chinese trading ? Why all of a sudden when Chinese trade with Africans, the Europeans say this is not beneficial for Africa. The crediability of the west smells about as good as the fart I just made.
DIJV79 2 years ago 2
"Why all of a sudden when Chinese trade with Africans, the Europeans say this is not beneficial for Africa."
Let's just ask the people of Darfur, shall we?
saulpaulus 2 years ago
"Oohh so now the Europeans all of a sudden care about the people of Darfur". When the Chinese are dumping billions of investment dollars into the country. This is the twenty first century how stupid do think people are ?
DIJV79 2 years ago
The Chinese are buying billions in oil from Sudan...don't know that they are investing much there. Many westerners have been very concerned about the fate of the people of Darfur for quite some time.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
Buying billions of dollars in vast oil reserves and building needed infrastructure and highways badly needed through out the continent and a major contributor of anti-viral drugs needed on the continent. Domestic problems are another issue.
DIJV79 2 years ago
Actually it is the US that is the major supplier of anti-retrovirals. The Chinese have trouble enough with HIV-AIDS in their own country. Chinese "development" projects are often of questionable value for the host country and protests in those countries are evidence that these projects are often more for the benefit of corrupt Chinese contracters.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
India and China are the major importers of anti-virals to the continent. Why do you think the AIDS rate in Ghana has been cut in half do to Chinese social programs that have been on the continent for the last 40 yrs, but you will not hear that in western media.
DIJV79 2 years ago
Incorrect. The US is.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
Why because the U.S says so. You honestly expect me to believe that, like the rest of the garbage in western media.
DIJV79 2 years ago
The turnaround in HIV-AIDS treatment in Africa has been due to the US PEPFAR program. That is well documented. Any suggestion to the contrary is garbage.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
Let's just ask the people of Darfur, shall we ? Kind of like we should of asked the people of Rwanda hmm ! That's right the Europeans and the west are really concerned with the people of Darfur and the genocide that's taking place their. LOL
DIJV79 2 years ago
Yes, many westerners are concerned about Darfur and felt we should have done more there as well as in Rwanda. In the case of Darfur, the Chinese have frustrated one effort after another by the West to intervene through the UN.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
The West is fustrated because they cannot capitalize on vast oil reserves in the Sudan. China is their for investment and trade purposes, not to interfear with domestic problems.
DIJV79 2 years ago
Yes no matter how many thousands of people are murdered, the Chinese will make sure that no one interferes with those murders.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
That's a problem between African sudanese and the sudanese who call themselves Arabs. If Northern Sudan wants to be Arabs they can go live in Arabia and take their islam with them. Wealth from resources should go to Africans not Arab invaders who have exploited Africa just like the Europeans.
DIJV79 2 years ago
Its not a problem simply between Arabs and Africans when the Chinese frustrate efforts to help the Africans in the UN.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
The UN is a total failure the Canadian General in charge of UN forces during the Rwanda genocide knew this as well. What's happening is a rush for resources within Europe and the U.S their just mad because their gravy train in Africa is over.
DIJV79 2 years ago
There was a collective failure to prevent the Rwandan nightmare. The West had a change of heart and had the will to intervene in Darfur...but there was China frustrating every effort. That is what is and has been happening.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
@DIJV79 They be alright
VoorheesFanatic777 1 year ago
if the Europeans feel threatened now . hahahaha . if you wont help us develop and continue giving money to our corrupt leaders instead of coming down here to teach us the way to move our economy then the Chinese will do it . i understand that there may be some risks but its worth trying after so many years of dealing with Europe and no progress
kaymany 2 years ago
There's no denying that Europe during the colonial period and the US during the Cold War supported some bad actors and used Africa for their own ends. In recent years, however, Europe and the US have tried to tie aid to good governance and democracy. China is using its large cash reserves to buy off dictators who will give them the resources they want...and who will brutalize anyone who gets in their way. And China will have their back in the UN.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
I just want to ask one question to this lady: Since you think what Chinese doing is so bad,then what have you US and Eupean did? You colonized African 100of years, have you brought them anything except bitterness?
iniang2000 2 years ago
Actually the US has never colonized Africa. Although there are positive aspects to European colonialism, I have pointed out that Europe has much to answer for as does the US for its behavior as to slavery and the Cold War. In recent years, however, the US and other Western nations have begun trying to promote good governance and progress in Africa while China is still seeking the old pattern.
saulpaulus 2 years ago
Yes, maybe what Chinese is doing at Africa should be improve a lot.But I still strongly suggest that when you criticise China, don't get information only from those western media.Please read some published by Chinese or African.See what western media did during Tibet and Uighur roit, I become totaly unbelieve western media such as CNN o