Andy Souwer vs Pajonsuk Super Pro Samui / It's Showtime 44 Athens

[dadamager3000]

i dont know if souwer deserved to win but at least he fought... pajunsuk just kept clinching, towards the end

[SEV2202]

Pajonsuk was better , Souwer is pussy )

[VidsMW2]

do someone know what the name of the song is at 4:17?

thank you.

[chaiesq]

กรรมการต่างชาติแม่ไม่รู้จักวิธ­ีการให้คะแนนมวยไทย เต่ะ เข่า มันไม่ให้คะแนนมันให้ฉะเพาะมัดอ­ย่างเดียว และโดยเฉพาะไปต่อยกับ อ้ายตัวนี้ทีไรถูกมันโกงทุกที ทั้งที่ญี่ปุ่นและฮอนแลนด์

[Lee711Shine]

It is bad that muay thai fighter lose, but guess not every fighter can win!! ;)

[MrBreakinDawn]

I hate andy pant.It joke.

[konmandeetag]

bad""""""""bad



[Maddogblablalala]

ดูแล้วแม่งแปลกๆพิกล



[chalermwut17]

Bad....

[consuno]

Stupid rules. If they keep fighting forever, Pajonsuk would win by murder.

[pak5145]

ควยให้ไอ้ตุ๊ดชนะได้ไงวะแมร่งเอ­๋ยกรรมการตาบอด



[WatashiPick]

มึงเจอบัวขาว ป.ประมุข แล้วมึงจะร้องไม่ออก

[DotAThaiSound]

มึงรู้จักมวยไทยเปล่าไอสาด

[laokid9]

@DotAThaiSound I agreed with you Mr Thaisound... But you know I hate that dump ass Refuree, and I wanted to whoop his ass every time when he's warned Pajunsuk to not hug...wtf!

[FrankLukass]

wow what are the rules here? how did pajonsuk lose that lol. the amount of body kicks, knees, push kicks and take downs landed... souwer barely landed anything cleanly jus pressing forward gettin countered through the qhole fight lol.

[combatfan100]

this pajonsuk is so boring

[Esaiguuni]

F.U. coward Andy & Referee dud? that s not Thai boxing rule it is Thai blocing? U have an idiot tatto as well coward?

[MrYasuoPsycho]

@lokiklokik lol...instinct. Yeah, but rule is rule. If can't follow it, don't even compete there.

[aphisit619]

Fuck!!!!!!!!  Thailand is win!!!!!!!!!!

[aphisit619]

Fuck you........ Andy Souwer

[chokdee6666]

clearly pajonsuk won....

[RileySMV]

Souwer is an asshole, every fuckin' fight he wins but it not really so!

[ThaiBox7788]

can someone please explain to me how the hell Souwer won

[Blahb27]

@ThaiBox7788 It's only been said twenty or thirty times in the comments that this was It's Showtime rules, so that blocked telegraphed midkicks, clinching, throws don't score, and single actions don't score a lot.

[ThaiBox7788]

@Blahb27 @Blahb27 Blocked telegraphed midkicks? If they were telegraphed why didn't Souwer defend them. If u meen by blocking with his arm that is not a smart tactic, those count, if u have ever trained or had a shin bone smash against ur arm u would know that. Even without the throws and controling in the clinch Pajonsuk scored more and won every round. Well the 3rd was a draw because of the deducted point.

[Blahb27]

@ThaiBox7788 If you haven't watched the fight yet, maybe you should. Souwer blocked almost every of those kicks, or there was an immediate answer. That's how you do kickboxing. And how Pajunsuk went about it, with single actions that are mostly blocked or answered, is the best way I know, of losing a kickboxing fight.

Well, best way aside from dropping your hands, sticking up your chin and walking forward anyway.

[Blahb27]

@ThaiBox7788 And what you said about blocking is exactly what I meant: kicking on the block only counts under muai thai rules. Kicking the block under kickboxing rules doesn't score any points at all. Most Thai trying their hand at kickboxing meet their defeat that way, and it's the reason most of them stick to the ruleset they're familiar with.

[yobro250]

@Blahb27 would have landed alot more punches and combination's if Pajonsuk wasn't clinching him every time he got in range...Dumps and throws don't score (something the Thai fan boys don't seem to be able to understand) and aggression/dictating the pace of the fight does factor in with the judges.

I think this fight is either an extra round or a win for Souwer....so no robbery

As for Yodsanklai vs Souwer...it was a fair extra round and Souwer won the extra round..making it a fair win

[yobro250]

@Blahb27 I think ( through I could be completely wrong) that blocked strikes score but they only score a very little bit...Like for instance if you watch Askerov vs Hinata...Hinata landed a shit ton of those "thai middle kicks" but it still went to an extra round because they only score a tiny bit...Aggression and moving forward( Souwer) probably outset any points coming from just throwing up constant middle kicks that are always blocked...plus then Sounder landed some punches and

[doraradoa1]

Almost all of Souwer's combination in this fight were protected by clinching of Pajonsuk, and Pajonsuk respond with his kicks and knees or sometimes punches. That's how he defeated Souwer in the ring. But poor Pajonsuk! He must fight with all referrees too! That's how Souwer defeated Pajonsuk this fight!!! Hahahaha XD

[kljeten]

Pajonsuk, the bitch of the kick and clinch!!!

[oah007]

แม่ง โกงว่ะ สาสสสส

[bankbeamzaa]

trickiness.

[piya123456piya]

home you not home thailand understand ?

[piya123456piya]

home you not home thailand understand ?

[trapgyal1]

Pa yong suk is more street fighter thn k1 fighter..and oh,,that smile n acting is really irritating. thts why andy is won this by unanimous

[SuperJo2012]

เฮ้ยยยย..........โกง..........­....เปนไปได้ไง ฟะๆๆๆๆๆๆๆ

[Sanwandee]

I think in K1 rule they scores for fighter who walking forward and throw a lot of punches it's doesn't matter it's hit target or not as long as you walking forward you win, so many times i saw it just like that, go back and look at it again how many punches Andy landed in target and how many kicks and punches he got hit all he did just swaying make it look aggressive then he won, he knew the rules even Buakaw beaten him up in k1 he still and went to final so he know K1 rule very well how to win.

[Blahb27]

@Sanwandee Dude, please... Under Thai rules it doesn't matter what you hit, blocked hits also score points.

The K1 system awards points for succesfull strikes, and the fighter who shows the most technical ability and the one who controls the match weighs a little too. Souwer hugely outscored Pajunsuk here because he blocked all those typical Thai telegraphed midkicks, and responded with combinations. THat's how he defeated Yodsaenklai as well.

[doraradoa1]

@Blahb27 Oh, Block Pajonsuk's midkicks by using his stomach to block it, right? Great Techniques by Souwer , now I know how good K1 System is, hahaha. Blocking kicks with stomach and still got points. Great! XP

[vincejai]

@Blahb27 "To produce a good score the technique should have a visible effect on an opponent. If a technique strikes the opponent's arms or shin, then generally the technique doesn't score. " only if the technique is clearly effective through the guard. I don't know why your spouting non-sense.

your saying is people lose points for getting their strikes blocked? or that a technique does not have technical aspects if it is blocked? read the muaythai rules before you start baseless judgements.

[Blahb27]

@vincejai No, what I am saying is that this video draws a ton of stupid Thai fanboys who think Souwer lost because they think in muai thai rules, while this was fought under It's Showtime rules.

Rules that include things such as rewards for skill, by not rewarding points for blocked strikes.

[kok1joseph]

@Blahb27 fuck you Stupid boy. who are you? you are silly fool.. you are blind,, or not you are retarded,, poor your dad and your mom

[godzillafiw1]

โกง

[godzillafiw1]

I hit it that I can still win it.

[godzillafiw1]

This is obviously so sly. The win would have meant nothing.

[caciocom]

ชนะตรงไหนวะ โกงชิบหาย

[crabbit87]

the rules set really prevented this fight from being as exciting. what kinda ref breaks the in the middle of the ring?

[GioTheKiller00]

this fight is in Greece?

[by372131]

7:42 wut a throwXD!

[ninjalooting86]

from the looks of it.. pajonsuk won the 1st round.. 2nd round it was too ugly i cant tell what happend .. 3rd rould i still give it to Pajonsuk.. he may did most of the holding and clinching but he clearly landed the cleaner shots..

[basser1995]

imo panjonsuk really spoils souwer here not giving souwer any chance to do something because when souwers in good reach he front kicks him and when he gets close he clinches.... maybe for muay thai that's how u should fight but this is K1 rules

[dembuontinhle]

2005 Buakaw won Souwer

And in this match, Samui won !!!

[dembuontinhle]

2005 Buakaw won Souwer

[thai32usa]

that ref is favoring Souwer

[randomharass]

"it's showtime" .... crappiest event ever

[s0uthpaw121]

I can see that after second fight against petrosyan, souwer isnt same good as he was in 2004-2010.

[IamAlwaysRight]

Bah its really hard to call those type of fights.... it all depends on the judges, the country, the scoring system, the style, etc.

[thekongpan]

shame on you k1. how on earth he won look at his face how he feel.

[Blahb27]

@thekongpan More like, shame on you for commenting without even understanding the rules this was fought under.

[Niwatpoet]

หน้าไม่อาย โกงกันชัดๆ ไอ้ฝรั่งขี้โกง

[9armes]

Pajonsuk should have won. No matter how this is scored Souwer was more agressive but not as effective. Souwer is a Dutch favorite so of course he would get the decision on his turf. The throws take a lot of skills so don't knock it if you don't understand it.

[Blahb27]

@9armes His turf? This was in Greece. Souwer is Dutch. Nationality hasn't got a thing to do with it.

Throws score zero points. It can even be seen as stalling the fight, thus giving your opponent points for having the initiative. Souwer is a brilliant knows that. He doesn't bother putting a lot of effort into something that doesn't count. He simply blocks great, does good combinations, passes his opponents block well, so he almost always wins when it comes to points.

[ZulfiSaifEdDinFsblh]

Pajunsuk all the way fuck Souwer

Pajunsuk owned him big time

[litta83]

RIDICULOUS DECISION !!!!

[namphon]

Pajunsuk won that clear.

[liverpoolfan4ever]

if there is one muay thai fighter with a kicking prowess that rivals Buakaw, that has to be Pajonsuk. However, his boxing technique is way inferior and will struggle against technical opponent like Souwer.

[krit828]

ขี้โกงอะ

[toehcom]

Pajonsuk won !!!

F u c k judgment.

[WesternSandgroper]

It shits me how majority of dutch fighters cant and wont fight full thai rules. K-1/Kickboxing rules are shit. Full Muay Thai rules with elbow clinches is the ONLY way to go. You have to come to Thailand or Australia to see the real deal.

[Blahb27]

@WesternSandgroper That's just elitist crap. Any decent kickboxer should be able to perform without hiding in the clinch. Besides, the K1 ruleset is much better than muai thai rules in that it awards no points for blocked attacks and emphasizes combinations.

That way you have to be technically good in order to win. Muai thai rules, you can be wildly inacurate, but still win matches just by kicking hard on the defense over and over without skill. See the recent outrageous King's cup for example.

[WesternSandgroper]

@Blahb27 Combos? Punch, kick, punch..? I'd much rather eblows, clinch and take downs.

[Ericwvm]

@Blahb27 kickboxing is invented for fighters who don't know how to fight muay thai. every true martial artist knows muay thai is the ultimate striking art. U talk fucking bullcrap, saying that kickboxing is more technical. Come train in Thailand and you know what I am talking about. In kickboxing you only need good hands in order to perform well

[Blahb27]

@Ericwvm That's just elitist nonsense. If you don't have good footwork in kickboxing, you're going to lose on combinations, and probably on lowkicks too.

Besides, muai thai actually awards points for blocked strikes, so you can win by not having any skill, but just kicking as hard and often as you can right on the block. Who cares about aim? You get points anyway. The whole trick about kickboxing rules is that if you're not skilled enough to both have and pass a defence, you're pretty much lost

[Ericwvm]

@Blahb27 Bullshit, all you need to do is swing away and youll win the fight. Just like this match, Souwer didnt do anything, just came swinging in and he won, just like souwer - buakaw, kraus - buakaw, sagatpetch - glogowski etc.

And muay thai awards points for blocked kicks with the ARMS. A kick to the arm is very hard and I've seen plenty of fights where the fighter couldnt continue because of to many kicks on the arms. A kick should be blocked by your shin/knee or evaded.

[Blahb27]

@Ericwvm If you call Souwer's style 'just swing away', you've not been paying attention. There's few fighters around who can lay claim to a similar accuracy in their techniques.

Exchanges like 3:47 - 4:00. That's three counting strikes for Souwer, and zero for Pajunsuk, even though the unknowing muai thai fan might mistake it for Pajunsuk managing to keep it even.

[Ericwvm]

@Blahb27 Okay, well, if u think like that, k1 rules will fit you perfectly. But myself, I like to have a more complete fight where kicks, knees, elbows, and throws are exchanged. Instead of bralws with fists and the occasional lowkick. Too sad that there are people like you who find this sort of fight interesting and push away the real muay thai. But believe me, in a few years muay thai will be back again and kickboxing will die out. I prefer chess over checkers 

[Blahb27]

@Ericwvm Trolling when you're out of ideas doesn't help much. It still remains that kickboxing is a real sport. You need talents for it that you don't need in muai thai, like passing someone's guard, and the ability to make combinations.

Kickboxing got big because of what the audience wants. They don't want 15 minutes of slow paced exchanging kicks to prove one is tougher. They want sensations, speed, show. It wouldn't have worked if there was no demand for it. For example watch?v=Z4vXD6q3s24

[Ericwvm]

@Blahb27 Everything sou say makes no sense to me at all. I really cant understand why people find this stuff exciting. The link you send me was not worth watching till the end. Brawls of fists and the occasional lowkick. Just like I said. But youre right, the audience want dumb action because they dont know any better. But I am sure muay thai will become bigger and bigger these years. And a lot of countrys already have embraced the full thai rules (france, japan, china, australia), now the rest!

[Ericwvm]

@Blahb27 hey wanna see a good link of some true fighting?? watch this and fuck off k1 fagboy: watch?v=XaXUWa1X6eY

[Blahb27]

@Ericwvm Notice how that highlight has no action of classic muai thai in it at all?

Where's the static standing exchanging of midkicks for minutes on end? Where's the endless clinching? Where's the long staring at eachother doing not much of anything? Where's the passivity while the fighter hopes for that one lucky elbow? Where's the pointless 'you can't hurt me'-showmanship?

That video is pretty much just kickboxing, no matter what ruleset it'll have.

[Ericwvm]

@Blahb27 Now you finally see Muay Thai can be full of action like kickboxing. And you know whats the best part? All these fights are even more exciting becuase of the additonal techniques like elbows, hard kicks and sweeps and not only boxing with some sloppy kicks. I am happy you can see it now and agree muay thai is way better then Kickboxing. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blahb27]

@Ericwvm Lol. No shit? I never expected sports that are very much alike could be like eachother. Who could've expected that? ^_^

When I say muai thai, I always refer to what the Thai themselves make of it. Of course European muai thai is heavily kickboxing influenced, so you get matches that look much more like it. Sometimes to the point where it's indistuingishable.

[Ericwvm]

@Blahb27 What the Thais themselves make out of it is very varied all the way. There are also thai fighters with a lot of striking instead of just clinching and kicking. Look at Saiyok, Bovy, Anuwat, Buakaw etc. And I respect and value and enjoy all aspects of muay thai. So if you get matches that look much alike why not make everything muay thai and just set the matchmaking right?? You got me kind of confused here.. You just basically said the reason why I want K1 to change into muay thai

[Blahb27]

@Ericwvm Why not make everything muai thai? For the same reason why we don't change all muai thai to Taekwondo rules: it's a different sport.

The rule changes were made with very good reason. Those who don't like it are free to stick to unmodified thai rules, but the popularity of matches under kickboxing rules and modified thai rules speaks for itself: that is what people want.

[Ericwvm]

@Blahb27 I don;t know if thats what people want. If theyll see for instance a slamm event or a its showtime event I am positive that most people prefer the slamm matches. But Its not what they want its what they get. And all the promotors are providing kickboxing matches, but once the audience is used to full thai rules I am sure they dont want anything else. Its just a matter of time..

[buakawfan1834]

but i´m not really shure it was a very weird fight

[buakawfan1834]

i don´t know the scoring system but in my oppinion pajonsuk clearly domitated that fight

[Blahb27]

@buakawfan1834 It's Showtime rules of course. Same as K1 rules except for spinning backfists not being allowed. The main difference with muai thai being that blocked strikes do not score. Thus, Souwer won clearly. How anyone could claim Pajunsuk did is utterly beyond me. Most of what he did was the typical Thai mistake of kicking the defence repeatedly, and clinching under pressure.

The first doesn't score, the second is a sign of not being in control. Neither does your score any favours.

[yodhangzien]

@buakawfan1834 andy shower win unhappy he not feel like he have won

[Telemoveis]

Pajonsuk won!

[yingyangsama]

ทุกครั่งและ ไม่อยากให้ไทยชนะ

es wird nicht gern geseh das thailand gewinn entwieder ko oder gar net... sieht man ofter so

[sebathc]

bullshit!

what fight were the judges watching?? 

[sebathc]

he is a thai fighter, in thailand clinching its the same as important as punching, and its a big part of original Muay Thai.

so if you dont know what you are talking about, dont talk

[AlexanderJCarrion]

Hello my name is Pajonsuk i kick then clinch because i do not like to be punched ^_^

[suriya883]

@AlexanderJCarrion faggot. pajunsuk clinches cause he is a master of clinch. he won also important sanda competitions, and btw he is already out of his prime.

people like you know shit about muay thai. did you ever hear about diselnoi?

[beer7]

@AlexanderJCarrion let there be proper knees in the clinch without the ref jumping in then andy will shit some blood

[yobro250]

@beer7 And if pajonsuk doesnt clinch every time andy tries to open up with his combos.. Pajonsuk would eat some leather!!! I like pajonsuk through... hes a very good fighter

[suriya883]

@AlexanderJCarrion to all watch the fight of the great Alexander Carrion on his youtube channel. then you understand why he is making fun of pajonsuk. :P

must say really a great technician ;-) mus be among the greatest!

[yelramyelram]

robbery, bullshit,, and souwer needs to learn other things than bullrushing

[mradvantage27]

pajs got robbed. he clearly wont this fight. andy didnt do anything.

[RobEire82]

Robbery!!!!.... Winner Pajonsuk by a mile......

[laokid9]

tell u what u ref mtfk, u r idiot, u shouldn't be a ref that represent the whole world of this kind of great sports that I hav everseen U r making me sick I like to fuck u up if had a chance.

[mentalmetal1]

ridiculous. racist bullshit judging. panjonsuk outclassed him the whole fight. made souwer look like a complete amatuer. -1 point for holding??? souwer's jaw must be hurting. not from the fight, because he gave the ref and all three judges blowjobs.

[PartickBateman604]

@mentalmetal1

What fight were you watching?

PETROSYAN made Souwer look amateur, Pajonsuk just fought a generally ugly fight with Souwer involving too much clinching and dumping that could have really been called either way.

You could argue that the K1/Showtime rules are stupid ..but every fighter entering these fights KNOW the rules. So if one fighter loses because of them, that's their own fault for not preparing/training properly.

[DotaHelm]

@PartickBateman604 watch the second fight between petrosyan and souwer u will think different

[muaythai101]

@PartickBateman604 petro had an easy fight while andy had a war w/ buakaw, which he lost anyway.

[Ericwvm]

@muaythai101 easy fight? Buakaw was grinding and deserved to win

[muaythai101]

@Ericwvm yes petro's fight to make the finals was against a much easier opponent than either buakaw or andy . and like i said andy lost the fight in my opinion and then had to fight petro.

[Ericwvm]

@muaythai101 yes but petros match against buakaw was not easy. Buakaw did just enough to win but was robbed with draw

[2527bangna]

@PartickBateman604 the k1 fighters knows they only have to throw a lot of punches against the thais, landing or not they would win the fight coz the thais do a lot more kicking than punching, which is exactly what happen in this fight. k1 rules are stupid this is a combat sport all striking should be scored equally, kicks or punches.

[Blahb27]

@2527bangna It *is* scored equal. The big difference with muai thai rules - that all Panjunsuk nuthuggers can't get into their thick skulls - is that blocked hits don't score, throws don't score, clinching doesn't score.

Pajunsuk was throwing away chances for points all over the place, while scoring counting strikes against Souwer, a brilliant fighter, is hard enough as it is. For instance 3:57. Souwer scores a kick, that counts, Pajunsuk doesn't block, but uses a throw, doesn't count.

[2527bangna]

@Blahb27 so you didnt know that in k1 they scores more for punches? or did you but you are andy souwer nuthugger. blocking kicks lol! watch the fight how many time souwer got kicked in the leg without blocking while pajonsuk is a muay thai fighter so checking kicks is what he does naturally. just have a look how many punches souwer lands thats not blocked and go watch albert krauss vs buakaw in holland, krauss couldnt land a punch all he did was going forward and throwing a lot of it .

[yahzonboy]

Robbery!

Pajonsuk countered so well in that fight and caught out Souwer so many times..his kicks are so much harder and his jab is too... not happy Pajonsuk WON

[Anatda]

silly rules! Silly dicision!!!

[Anatda]

Pajonsuk look very confusing with the rules...can I do clinching!!! should I knee??should I throw ????Ah he cutted my points off!!!! Damnnnn confusing???? LOLzz

[jonnie065]

dont understand how souwer one thought pajonsuk completley outscored him

[Dubaiman123]

for a good fight you need 2, panjonsuk did not want to fight, defensive style..

[laokid9]

@Dubaiman123 tell u what brother, If u watched closely andy was doing the samething, he's trying to grap and clinch for knee too. u better open your eyes before u sayin something ok! I'm fucking piss right now due to that mother fucker (refuree) did it to my favorite fighter.

[kapong199]

555 bull shit !!!

[outout64]

what the fuc****???!!!

Souwer didn't do anything of the fight and they let him win...

[sleir]

More and more I think that K1 and Showtime rules just aren't that attractive in the lower weights. Full Muay Thai rules consistently has much more beautiful fights.

[ultrasload]

awful to see...

[laokid9]

@ultrasload totally agreed with u. I would likes to see him fight in thailand and let see if he can survice with either buakaw, yodsanklai, or with pajonsuk again with the full thai rules.

[AlexanderJCarrion]

@laokid9 he already beat buakaw among other top k-1 max fighters including masato....dont be a hater