Post-colonialism and Feminism suffer from the same problem in a hysterical way they place blame on the other ie racists, whites, men and so on and miss the trap this creates, in this way the other is always on top, Ray Charles gets it he is ready to attack himself into the bargin the feminists should do this also this is how our ghosts should be exorsised
As an artist, I wish I could obtain the same financial success and notoriety MR Charles has by having the upper eschelon art world "question my whiteness".
PS, Try to learn rather then just look for affermation This type of art does not want you to feel safe or good about your position whatever that may be it requires something far more radical from the spectator
The assumption that I'm looking for affirmation exposes your misunderstanding of my response. I'm looking for a complex, multi- dimensional work. This work is not as complex as its predominantly WHITE collecting audience would have us believe. His images are no more surreal, absurd or abject than the original images of degradation that they perpetuate. The simple fact is that he has found a way of conflating commodity fetishism with white racist pseudo-liberal affectation for profit.
Ahh, ok you make a good point, I dont agree but now I can take you seriously before I take up some of your other critisisms, I would first like to know what you mean as 'more complex' not to be padantic but its easy to say such a thing, what might a more complex kind of exploration look like,
Also I would agree that the images referenced by Charles and Walker alike already had those qualities which is why I think the artists use them,
however I think charles would say that the revision which banished such images is not all its cracked up to be, that certain inequalities have mutated and been normalised this is why he uses them, also 'predominantly white' this critism please you must conceade it could be made about any western artist in painting, film, litriture and so on but thats economic and population based surely?
your comment about black identity is also interesting, but again I think Charles would say that black people in general cant escape a eurocentric semblance of blackness or for charles I think an americain consumer-sentric constrction, I think you, and Charles would agree on many things perhaps its method rather then intent what about Yinka Shonibare or Fred Wilson is this your more complex exploration?
Charles is literally banking on the racism of white collectors and critics. And as for foe Slavoj Zizek, he can be more than a little regressive. Judith Butler has taken him to task for it. Charles is a sensationalist. None of the complex questioning that says he wants in the work is there. Kara Walker is in the same game.
his victims are not noble, to encourage some kind of patronising sympathy from the spectator but rather they are sureal, absurd, abject representations of victimhood which undermine the reasuring distance of empathy and requires the audience to THINK, he wants us to think about today! why and how for example we teach black boys how to hit the bongos to encourage self respect instead of about Dr King or Malcolm X, have you herd of the liberal inversion of racism?
Your use of ridiculous binaries such as hitting "...the bongos to encourage self respect instead of about Dr. King and Malcolm X..." is obtuse. I understand your statement to be an indictment of the valorization of an inextricable AFRICAN identity from Black identity. This is the crux of the problem. M. Ray Charles, Kara Walker, Paul Gilroy are all incapable of accessing Black identity beyond its manifestation in the Euro-Nationstate. The Multi-dimensionality of Afrikan identity is lost to them
You might want to do more research on the artist before making such statements. Otherwise you sound very, very ignorant. Especially in reference to Kara Walker...her work is more personal, meaning her personal experiences, which hardly dealt with racism but more about curiosity, than she likes to let us believe.
WHAT?!! ahahaha Hilarity. I'm an art student at the Savannah College of Art & Design in Atlanta, Georgia. I'm pursuing an MFA in Graphic Design. Upon entering school I studied Kara Walker from her birth to where she is now and that is why my answer is what it is. Of course our answers are going to be subject. And yes, you jerk, I am insulting you...and if you must know I am a young Black female which is totally irrelevant. LoL @ you playing the race card.
What is the final result of MRC and Kara Walker's art? I protested her show at the Whitney back in '07. Howardeena Pindell should not have been the only voice. Black people are complacent with helping to perpetuate white people's definitions of blacks as long as it guarantees institutional access. White people will always pay you handsomely to degrade yourself. brandshire (dot) com.
Kara Walker is only a partial of displaying our history. Is it our fault what happened to us? You would feel much better if you really picked up a book and read about her. Majority of Black art is about identity. If you are going to protest her, then you should protest the other African American artists. I promise you it is not what you think it is. Geez...what a waste of energy.
LoL! I SAID pick up a book and read about Kara Walker. I didn't suggest anything about indoctrinating yourself with other black cheerleaders...or whatever. Educate yourself misinformed black man. Since when did educating yourself turn into supporting black degradation. If you want to protest black degradation...what about more serious matters?????? Probably because this subject is too easy for you.
Kara Walker was from California, her father from Georgia. He used to visit Georgia frequently, and when he returned home he would always tell Kara about horror stories of living in the South. This is where her fear and curiosity of racism began. Her father took a job at a college in Georgia, and later she attended the ACA. She while in school she worked at a book store and she enjoyed the reaction from people after reading a good book. This is probably why Kara's art looks like a story book.
In classes, her professors always assumed her projects should target Black identity, but she didn't want to be just another "black student". There was always this curiosity with Kara. Why people think the way they do and why they do what they do. Needless to say she eventually found herself and what she wanted to do. Surprisingly she married a White man , and unfortunately they are divorced with child. She became very, very angry and even accused of the very same things you might even say...
I believe Kara Walker's art work is a therapy for her, she needs answers to rid the curiosity, so she brings the subject to YOU. As I said before she is only displaying only a part of our history. You can't be mad at her for showing what used to happen to Black slaves. Can you? No... You are even more of a c*** for being so weak to think that she is a sellout for showing history. What is that about??? I don't care to know....bc you don't educate yourself. This conversation is over.
Yes I have read this, frankly the whole thing is a testament to how fara liberal multiculturalist will go to protect their victim hood! you sir must read your Zizek
Howardena Pindell has some choice words for Michael Ray Charles and kara Walker alike. Google howardena pindell kara walker, and read her N Paradoxa paper.
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antjuanoden 10 months ago
Perpetuating the stereotypes? Do they even take the time to look at these pieces?
sybercat6 1 year ago
Michael Ray Charles rocks! i love this guy and his art!
neo4hp 1 year ago
Post-colonialism and Feminism suffer from the same problem in a hysterical way they place blame on the other ie racists, whites, men and so on and miss the trap this creates, in this way the other is always on top, Ray Charles gets it he is ready to attack himself into the bargin the feminists should do this also this is how our ghosts should be exorsised
zeriatan 2 years ago
As an artist, I wish I could obtain the same financial success and notoriety MR Charles has by having the upper eschelon art world "question my whiteness".
calebengler 2 years ago
PS, Try to learn rather then just look for affermation This type of art does not want you to feel safe or good about your position whatever that may be it requires something far more radical from the spectator
zeriatan 3 years ago
The assumption that I'm looking for affirmation exposes your misunderstanding of my response. I'm looking for a complex, multi- dimensional work. This work is not as complex as its predominantly WHITE collecting audience would have us believe. His images are no more surreal, absurd or abject than the original images of degradation that they perpetuate. The simple fact is that he has found a way of conflating commodity fetishism with white racist pseudo-liberal affectation for profit.
BlaxisDuende 3 years ago 2
Ahh, ok you make a good point, I dont agree but now I can take you seriously before I take up some of your other critisisms, I would first like to know what you mean as 'more complex' not to be padantic but its easy to say such a thing, what might a more complex kind of exploration look like,
Also I would agree that the images referenced by Charles and Walker alike already had those qualities which is why I think the artists use them,
zeriatan 3 years ago
however I think charles would say that the revision which banished such images is not all its cracked up to be, that certain inequalities have mutated and been normalised this is why he uses them, also 'predominantly white' this critism please you must conceade it could be made about any western artist in painting, film, litriture and so on but thats economic and population based surely?
zeriatan 3 years ago
your comment about black identity is also interesting, but again I think Charles would say that black people in general cant escape a eurocentric semblance of blackness or for charles I think an americain consumer-sentric constrction, I think you, and Charles would agree on many things perhaps its method rather then intent what about Yinka Shonibare or Fred Wilson is this your more complex exploration?
zeriatan 3 years ago
Charles is literally banking on the racism of white collectors and critics. And as for foe Slavoj Zizek, he can be more than a little regressive. Judith Butler has taken him to task for it. Charles is a sensationalist. None of the complex questioning that says he wants in the work is there. Kara Walker is in the same game.
BlaxisDuende 3 years ago
Charles is asking people to think about propaganda and consumerism hardly racist! his treatment of the 'victim' in the work is spot on,
zeriatan 3 years ago
his victims are not noble, to encourage some kind of patronising sympathy from the spectator but rather they are sureal, absurd, abject representations of victimhood which undermine the reasuring distance of empathy and requires the audience to THINK, he wants us to think about today! why and how for example we teach black boys how to hit the bongos to encourage self respect instead of about Dr King or Malcolm X, have you herd of the liberal inversion of racism?
zeriatan 3 years ago
Your use of ridiculous binaries such as hitting "...the bongos to encourage self respect instead of about Dr. King and Malcolm X..." is obtuse. I understand your statement to be an indictment of the valorization of an inextricable AFRICAN identity from Black identity. This is the crux of the problem. M. Ray Charles, Kara Walker, Paul Gilroy are all incapable of accessing Black identity beyond its manifestation in the Euro-Nationstate. The Multi-dimensionality of Afrikan identity is lost to them
BlaxisDuende 3 years ago
M. Ray Charles may be requiring the audience to "think", but he certainly isn't asking them to think very hard.
calebengler 2 years ago
You couldn't be more right.
riggy23 2 years ago
You might want to do more research on the artist before making such statements. Otherwise you sound very, very ignorant. Especially in reference to Kara Walker...her work is more personal, meaning her personal experiences, which hardly dealt with racism but more about curiosity, than she likes to let us believe.
lacedout 2 years ago
Do you even know what you're talking about? What is your racial classification?
blackberryjuice1 2 years ago
Yes, I do know what I'm talking and my racial classification is irrelevant. How about picking up a book and stop studying my identity.
lacedout 2 years ago
1. refusing to answer the question
2. attempting to insult me, based on the racist assumption that black men do not read, and are indeed ignorant.
3. mrc's art delights white supremacists such as yourself because he recycles old demeaning stereotypes and gives it art world validation.
Replace White Supremacy With Justice
blackberryjuice1 2 years ago
WHAT?!! ahahaha Hilarity. I'm an art student at the Savannah College of Art & Design in Atlanta, Georgia. I'm pursuing an MFA in Graphic Design. Upon entering school I studied Kara Walker from her birth to where she is now and that is why my answer is what it is. Of course our answers are going to be subject. And yes, you jerk, I am insulting you...and if you must know I am a young Black female which is totally irrelevant. LoL @ you playing the race card.
lacedout 2 years ago
You ought to be even more ashamed of yourself.
What is the final result of MRC and Kara Walker's art? I protested her show at the Whitney back in '07. Howardeena Pindell should not have been the only voice. Black people are complacent with helping to perpetuate white people's definitions of blacks as long as it guarantees institutional access. White people will always pay you handsomely to degrade yourself. brandshire (dot) com.
Replace White Supremacy With Justice.
blackberryjuice1 2 years ago
Kara Walker is only a partial of displaying our history. Is it our fault what happened to us? You would feel much better if you really picked up a book and read about her. Majority of Black art is about identity. If you are going to protest her, then you should protest the other African American artists. I promise you it is not what you think it is. Geez...what a waste of energy.
lacedout 2 years ago
Oh, you mean indoctrinate myself with other black cheerleaders of black degradation funded by white institutions such as Gwendolyn DuBois Shaw?
blackberryjuice1 2 years ago
LoL! I SAID pick up a book and read about Kara Walker. I didn't suggest anything about indoctrinating yourself with other black cheerleaders...or whatever. Educate yourself misinformed black man. Since when did educating yourself turn into supporting black degradation. If you want to protest black degradation...what about more serious matters?????? Probably because this subject is too easy for you.
lacedout 2 years ago
I do not argue with non-white people who don't see how they're being used by white supremacists. This conversation is over.
blackberryjuice1 2 years ago
Kara Walker was from California, her father from Georgia. He used to visit Georgia frequently, and when he returned home he would always tell Kara about horror stories of living in the South. This is where her fear and curiosity of racism began. Her father took a job at a college in Georgia, and later she attended the ACA. She while in school she worked at a book store and she enjoyed the reaction from people after reading a good book. This is probably why Kara's art looks like a story book.
lacedout 2 years ago
In classes, her professors always assumed her projects should target Black identity, but she didn't want to be just another "black student". There was always this curiosity with Kara. Why people think the way they do and why they do what they do. Needless to say she eventually found herself and what she wanted to do. Surprisingly she married a White man , and unfortunately they are divorced with child. She became very, very angry and even accused of the very same things you might even say...
lacedout 2 years ago
I believe Kara Walker's art work is a therapy for her, she needs answers to rid the curiosity, so she brings the subject to YOU. As I said before she is only displaying only a part of our history. You can't be mad at her for showing what used to happen to Black slaves. Can you? No... You are even more of a c*** for being so weak to think that she is a sellout for showing history. What is that about??? I don't care to know....bc you don't educate yourself. This conversation is over.
lacedout 2 years ago
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I respect this guy and I think he's a great artist, but seriously. Racist art? Is he just trying to be a victim or something?
theer1ca 3 years ago
Awesome, Awesome work. I hope to meet Mr. Charles one day.
Angelot06 3 years ago
Yes I have read this, frankly the whole thing is a testament to how fara liberal multiculturalist will go to protect their victim hood! you sir must read your Zizek
zeriatan 3 years ago
Exceptional artist! his relationship with the audience is so much richer because of his sheer guts!
zeriatan 4 years ago
Howardena Pindell has some choice words for Michael Ray Charles and kara Walker alike. Google howardena pindell kara walker, and read her N Paradoxa paper.
blackberryjuice1 3 years ago