Holy crap! Taiwan really is a US colony! If somebody had told me that earlier I would never have believed them even for a second. I think I like this "internet" thing.
What about Kimen and Matsu? Those two islands allow the ROC to apply for UN membership. You want to play the loopholes game? I can do this shit all day =P
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot Ha Ha Ha!!! Those two island groups are within the territorial waters of another UN member (the People's Republic of China), and therefore could not be used by the Republic of China government in exile to apply for UN membership.
@tprophet77 no, those two island groups are definitely part of Taiwan, the passport people from Kimen and Matsu are holding clearly states Republic of China, or TAIWAN.
QUOTE - 8 February 2007, Ireland’s Minister for Foreign Affairs: “United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 of 25 October 1971 recognised the Government of the People’s Republic of China as the sole representative of China. Although Taiwan continues to exercise autonomy and to term itself ''‘The Republic of China’'', this is not recognised in international law. Taiwan’s official status is that of a Province of China.”
When Admiral Perry visited Taiwan in the1860s, there were only a few scattered Chinese settlements along the west coast. In other words, in consideration of the entire island, the "Chinese" population was very small. The Japanese Empire was defeated by the USA, whereupon Gen. Douglas MacArthur delegated the Japanese surrender ceremonies and the ensuing military occupation in Taiwan to the Chinese Nationalists, however there was no transfer of sovereignty.
Almost 99.9% Taiwan people were from the mainland of China before 1895. And there was a Chinese government in Taiwan. Taiwan was tooken by Japan empire in1895. After WWII in 1945, Republic of China (first democracy of Asia) defeated Japan empire and took back Taiwan as Cairo Declaration states in 1943. And then, the PRC defeated ROC in 1949. ROC keeps only Taiwan now and lost his seat in UN because of the oppress from PRC. So, ROC now is not a country in UN. But, ROC is actually a country now.
@justicelogic Taiwan remained as sovereign Japanese territory until Japan renounced all claims in the April 28, 1952 peace treaty. Hence, when the ROC central government moved to occupied Taiwan in Dec. 1949, it became a government in exile. Taiwan/ROC is not a country, and hence cannot enter the United Nations.
@tprophet77 Dear, please check the history first and talk to me latter.On 25 October 1945, ROC troops came to Taiwan in order to accept the formal surrender of Japanese military forces in Taipei (then called Taihoku). Because of China civil war (1945~1949), Japan empire had a chance to postpone the peace treaty until 1952. But, ROC is actually in Taiwan since 1945~2011 now.
@justicelogic If the military forces in a Province of Iraq surrender to the US, does that Province then immediately become US territory? If the rebel soldiers in a village in Afganistan surrender to the US, does that village then become US territory? When the Spanish troops in Cuba surrendered on July 17, 1898, did Cuba then become incorporated into US national territory? The answer is NO in each instance. The surrender ceremonies only mark the beginning of the military occupation.
@justicelogic If the military forces in a Province of Iraq surrender to the US, does that Province then immediately become US territory? If the rebel soldiers in a village in Afganistan surrender to the US, does that village then become US territory? When the Spanish troops in Cuba surrendered on July 17, 1898, did Cuba then become incorporated into US national territory? The answer is NO in each instance. The surrender ceremonies only mark the beginning of the military occupation.
@justicelogic International law specifies that "military occupation does not transfer sovereignty." Please check the international law books and talk to me later.
@tprophet77 This is not only military occupation. Japan empire had to return Taiwan to ROC in 1945. And it is done. Please face the real history and fact and we can talk.
@justicelogic The Potsdam and Cairo Declarations were "statements of intent," but in themselves did not serve to transfer the territorial sovereignty of Taiwan to any other party. Oct. 25, 1945, was the beginning of the military occupation of Taiwan, and Taiwan remained as sovereign Japanese territory until ceded in the peace treaty effective April 28, 1952. Please face the international law and we can talk. See w w w.civil-taiwan.o r g /frus-data. h t m
@tprophet77 If the facts is as what you said: "sovereign Japanese territory until ceded in the peace treaty effective April 28, 1952", why the ROC government can be on Taiwan since 1945 to now 2011?
lol so funny every1 in this video keep sayin taiwan is not part of china and in /watch?v=2E_xHbWKAmE everyone says taiwan is part of china, mayb tprophet77 should send a video response to that video
Hey China, if you have any problem with the U.S. saying what is or is not a province of China, remember: there are many independence movements in Puerto Rico, a colony annexed by the American Empire. >;)
@DemocracynowChina "Taiwan" is a term of geography. There is no COUNTRY in the world today called Taiwan, and which conducts its foreign relations under the name of "Taiwan," or which issues "Taiwan ID cards" to its citizens. I guess you are confused.
@tprophet77 Chinese Mainlanders try, but they cannot get inside the Country of Taiwan with the Mainland ID, sorry to disappoint you, we don`t accept 2 nd class citizens :)
Dude, maybe you didn't read my post carefully. So basically you are saying that Taiwanese (Hoklo) is NOT a different language to Chinese (Traditional/ Simplified Mandarin)?
Guangdong Hua is Cantonese btw. People don't speak Cantonese in Taiwan.
@lokivive69 correct, Taiwan chinese dialect include Hoklo which is fujianese(not cantonese) and hakka. i am a mix of fujianese and hakka blood and i am not from Taiwan so the culture on the island is definitely not unique to Taiwan.
having a separate government in HK, help the cantonese culture, and I see Taiwan providing the same benefit for fujianese culture. it would be best for Taiwan to continue to be it's own administration like HK.
@lagrangewei Taiwan doesn`t give anything to people in Fujian, the only reason you are claiming Taiwan being part of China is because people came from FUJIAN a couple of CENTURY ago :)
Honestly, I'm not trying to bash any Taiwanese, but what is your background?
Can any of you guys sincerely answer me without bashing China? Why is there Taiwan? Taiwan ended up separated from the rest of China when it was invaded by like 7+ European countries and then World War 2 happened. (Might not be so accurate about when it happened but yeah)
If Taiwan wants to break off and people support it, then fine. Just don't deny history.
Well don't deny the fact that Taiwan was only ever effectively a province of the Qing dynasty from 1884 to 1895 and a province if the R.O.C from 1945 t0 1945
@Thudothwacker the Austronesians are indeed native of the island unfortunately they play not part in the foreign politic of Taiwan, they are not even a factor in domestic politic. They are however important in which they are cultural and historical links.
ASEAN officially view Taiwan as an unofficial SAR of China. it does not deal with Taiwan or DPRK; it deal with China, Korea and Japan (ASEAN+3). ASEAN take pro-china stance to make urgency for others to reach out to ASEAN, eg US, India, Japan.
Taiwan was governed by the Holish, Spanish, Chinese, the Japanese, and now an independent country historically. Only China claims that Taiwan is theirs
@gabby6741 The United States has clarified that "Taiwan is not a country" on many occasions. Taiwan's applications for entrance to the United Nations are regularly "sent back" without even the application envelope being opened. As for the Republic of China on Taiwan, it is a government in exile. So, yes, it has a President, and different Ministries, but it is not a legitimate government for Taiwan.
@MrEsstonns Taiwan is and forever will be a Republic of China.... how will it gain independence? With force? get a military thats big enough to take down Beijing first, with treaties and compromises? in your dreams, china's government will not permit it..EVER!
How far back is the timeline in your work? I don't see you incorporating any East Asian history at all. Did you ever seek advice from anyone that specialize in East Asian history? I'm sure there are many professors out there who can help you. Missing out important East Asian historical facts and focusing solely on US perspective can make your work narrow and hence, lacks credibility. I was expecting something a lot more comprehensive and intellectual from someone who claims to be from Wharton.
@tprophet77 Although your work only traces back to 1895(Treaty of Shimonoseki), it does acknowledge that historically, Taiwan is part of China(Qing dynasty). I will encourage you to look even further back into East Asian History, the evidence is self explained.
@tprophet77 The claim that Taiwan is not part of China revolves around an argument that China did not receive sovereignty over Taiwan from any party after WWII. Here's a simple analogy: Parent C has a child, T. Bandit J comes along and abducted T. Cop A defeated J. Now who is the parent of T? If common sense prevail over the intricate playing of words, our world will be a much peaceful place.
You guy are so humorous... I suggest you learn more about Chinese history! Don't you know Taiwan used to be a province of China before it was colonized by the Jap?
Taiwan was conquered by the Qing Dynasty and was incorporated as part of the Qing Empire. After the first Sino-Japanese conflict, Taiwan was ceded to the empire of Japan. Base on these connections, it is no wonder if the Chinese consider Taiwan as part of China
The mainland will never attack Taiwan; it will not need to, as long as the mainland is willing to give autonomy to Taiwan.
The Taiwan island economy will be more and more vulnerable to the threat of attrition. Taiwan will not be economically vibrant again unless the mainland will allow it to be.
The mainland will control the Taiwan economy in the decades to come. The threat of attrition will be very effective on the Taiwan economy. Taiwan is very vulnerable; businesses want clarity.
Sorry to indicate that the ROC no longer exists as a recognized entity at the UN.
What was ROC is now, since 1971, a part of the PRC at the UN. The winner of a civil conflict rules the loser.
For this to change enough people in the world must be willing to give up hope on the PRC; this can only happen after a deadly war which the PRC loses. No war; no reversal of PRC recognition, and recognition of Taiwan as a part of the PRC.
"Acknowledge" is the "recognition of the claim of ".
Your analysis is correct: "What was ROC, is now, since 1971, a part of the PRC at the UN." That would be the Kinmen and Mazu island groups. As "Formosa and the Pescadores" have never been incorporated into ROC national territory, they would of course not be included.
None of the leading Allies have ever recognized any transfer of Taiwan's territorial sovereignty to "China" after WWII. In the situation of the USA, the Congressional Research Service
report "China/Taiwan: Evolution of the One China Policy" (July 9, 2007) clarified that * US policy has not recognized the PRC's sovereignty over Taiwan;
* US policy has not recognized Taiwan as a sovereign country; and * US policy has considered Taiwan's status as undetermined.
What is material is Bang ki-moon says Taiwan is a part of the PRC.
It is difficult for the US to helpTaiwan with UN mandate, but it just may without a UN mandate, if a war has started.
What is material is that the mainland can exert greater and greater pressure on the Taiwan economy without starting a war but have plenty standby force that could destroy Taiwan.
Are Taiwanese willing to die in large numbers by starting a war? Mainland won't start a war; it just sees Taiwan wilts.
Taiwan is part of the ROC, but not the PRC. Before that it was Japanese for 50 years but before that it has always been Chinese since Han-people came.
I am curious as to what international legal documents you can use to justify the "conclusion" that Taiwan is part of the ROC. Certainly, the United States Executive Branch has never recognized any "incorporation" of Taiwan into ROC national territory. There is a 1959 US court case which is very clear about this .......
A US court case is pretty irrelevant in intl. law. Taiwan has been an integral part of China before the Japanese took it in a forced agreement. This is just a hint on belonging status though. What is important is the concept of "Terra Nullius". Nobody but the ROC claimed the land in 1945 or had de facto control over it. Thus it belongs to the ROC, no legal document needed.
That is not true. Apparently you cannot understand Latin or are unfamiliar with that legal term. Terra Nullius is land that has never been claimed or has been surrendered by the former sovereign. New sovereign will be who claims the island and is able to execute said claim. The R.O.C. is able to do both. Population is no deciding factor in this case.
You are mixing up the two meanings of "occupation" and misconstruing the sense of "surrender" when you give your interpretation of "Terra Nullius. Taiwan was sovereign Japanese territory until the coming into force of the San Francisco Peace Treaty on April 28, 1952. It certainly wasn't terra nullius as a result of the "surrender of Japanese troops" on Oct. 25, 1945. The surrender of troops doesnt render territory terra nullius, it only marks the beginning of the military occupation.
If you check the word "filius nullius" that means, A son of nobody. Latin, "terra nullius" means, unowned land, in english. It does not means uninhabited islands. "nullius" means "belong to" in english.
Good lord, i don't suppose you heard what the man was saying, so i don't suppose you know why he cares. He is saying that Taiwan belongs to the USA currently, and not to either of the Chinas. Thus i suppose that, as an American, it IS his, and all other American's 'buz'.
There is one China. BUT, there is also one Taiwan. 臺灣就是自己的國家!
However, I think I have to be realistic. Even if 100% of Taiwanese support an official anouncement of Taiwanese sovereignty, it probably wouldn't happen. Every major power in the world right now is sucking China's dick thus they wouldn't dare to support Taiwan. Taiwan's own government is even kissing China's ass and selling Taiwan for "better" relations.
@everlastingbio None knows about the future. Maybe it will be like Germany or Russia. The soviet will collapse in a sudden, and the real democratic country in Taiwan,ROC, will be able to unite China.
I agree some outlooks on your comments . But that's why we have to strive for our common consensus . Past had gone away . We have the right against China's oppression . China's government is betrayal .
Well, I hope you are following your "words" with "action."
The proper action is to STOP offering any recognition to the "Republic of China" that it is in any way the legitimate gov't of Taiwan. This should be the common consensus .....
You need to watch the video again. Taiwan is not a "country."
At the most basic level, the ROC in Taiwan is a subordinate occupying power, beginning Oct. 25, 1945. Then by moving its central government to occupied Taiwan in Dec. 1949, it became a gov't in exile.
Taiwan territory is occupied territory. The principal occupying power is the USA.
I happened to see this account below. What happen to it? Does someone who hate you make this video? I couldn't get it! You should not have made such a ugly image to humiliate yourself, right?
AMERICA likes to blame CHINA as the BAD GUY, but why is USA still supporting the ONE CHINA POLICY!? People out there needs to understand that TAIWAN is the Secret Colonial State of America!
After WW2 when America defeated Japan, did USA gave Taiwanese People the freedom to elect our Taiwanese Government? No, they did not! What they did instead is to install an USA PUPPET Government by the name of KMT!
This is starts of American Imperalism of TAIWAN!
I am Taiwanese. I hope Taiwan and China unite as soon as possible. You American smells like shit selling second-thing level weapons with unreasonable price to Taiwan. Taiwan will gradually stop buying your trash.
Taiwan + China = SUPER. This is why Japan and America do not want us get united.
Please inform me of the date and other details regarding the incorporation of Taiwan territory into the Republic of China via the procedures of Article 4 of the ROC Constitution.
(Note: the international community did not recognize any "transfer of sovereignty" of Taiwan territory to the ROC upon the Oct. 25, 1945 surrender ceremonies .... )
The San Francisco Peace Treaty does not recognize the ROC as a member of the Allies ..... you need to read the treaty more carefully.
Oct. 25, 1945, marks the beginning of the military occupation of Taiwan, and in December 1949 by moving its central government to occupied Taiwan the ROC has become a government in exile.
International law is flawed as in niether ROC or PRC was part of the San Francisco treaty, the treaty had no right to perscribe a dominion under its control, or to bind the actions of non-participants of any treaty. Every international jurist understands that. The claim that the Chinese (ROC) was a force of the United States in the Chinese theatre of war is ignorant of the fact that China was a party to WWII and war with Japan prior to US entering the war. ur argument is illogical
this video is bullshit...in the the Cairo Accord allies clearly indicated that TW is to be returned to ROC. Prior to 1896, Taiwan was apart of China, and that the Treaty of Shimoneski was declared void abonitio.
The Cairo Accord is a statement of intent, but has no legal authority to actually transfer territorial title. To dissect the details of the transfer of territorial title, you have to look at the peace treaty. Oh!! Taiwan was not awarded to China!!! P.S. the Treaty of Shimonoseki is/was not subject to later cancellation, and no international court has ever recognized such an "announcement" as having any legal validity whatsoever!! HENCE, your arguments all amount to nothing.
Taiwan belongs to the Native Taiwanese. Regardless of any historic status, the Native Taiwanese never voluntarily ceded their territory; it was forcibly taken from them. On the other hand the ROC is arguably the rightful government of China. Pan-Blue and Pan-Green should focus on what they both want: China for the ROC, Taiwan for the Native People. If they ever are to achieve that goal, they must work together to retake the mainland.
Taiwan had been conquered/occupied by China since antiquity, whether native Taiwanese cede is totally irrelevant. Learn some international law jackass! The PRC has a very logical, legal and legitimate claim to Taiwan the idiot in the tube would know, but choose not to advocate for. He conveniently ignores the time line of war, China's historical claims, the Cairo Accord, and Japan's separate surrender documents to China. If US wants Taiwan, let's fight for it you American scums
Very informative and relatively balanced presentation (and i have no doubt about the legal verity of your statments!) however, I think that the moral and cultural reasoning you use to justify the refusal of Taiwan statehood arguable. It may be true that Taiwan is under the US dimion, and so is not officially a country, however, although not by military means but rather older colonial traditions, so too technically are Canada, India and Australia, being within the commonwealth.
so in another word, PRC or ROC must use force to "conqurer" taiwan from USA? i dont get it, Taiwanese are taiwanese, the whole island are 23 million taiwanese, why the fuck should they think about bloody US side? fuck US law or what ever WW2 San Franscisco law, look at the reality, nobody gives a shit about US law, in Taiwan, US law dont apply there, ok?
"Taiwanese" is a description of people native to the island of Taiwan, but it is not a NATIONALITY. This is why the court case of Roger Lin v. United States of America is proceeding in Washington, DC. The goal is to obtain an internationally recognized NATIONALITY for the Taiwanese people!
if taiwanese think they are seperate nation then it is seperate nation. if taiwanese think they should unite with china then they are part of china. it is up to taiwanese whethere they become china or independent. why force them to become china?
So, if the Alaskans think they are part of Russia, then that makes it valid? And if the people in Louisiana believe they still belong to France, such beliefs make it valid? The world doesn't operate that way my friend.
You need a history lesson!! Taiwan was ceded to Japan in 1895. During the WWII period, and indeed up to April 28, 1952, Taiwan was under Japanese sovereignty. (I believe you are confusing Taiwan island with Hainan island.) Chiang Kai-shek did not conqueror Taiwan, but was merely directed to go there to accept the surrender of Japanese troops. The surrender ceremonies were held Oct. 25, 1945, thus marking the beginning of the military occupation of Taiwan.
Haha..the irony is that majority of people (both KMT and DPP supporters) in Taiwan do not see themselves as "Chinese". No need to force your belief on people who don't see themselves as Chinese.
Koreans and Japs are originally from China. Are they Chinese too? It's how the people of Taiwan see themselves, not the way you understand it or how the traditional Chinese view sees the people of Taiwan. Last time I checked, Chinese people need translation to understand Taiwanese. They must be thinking ain't people from Taiwan Chinese like it was taught in the history books in mainland China??? Why need translation???
But they have the same beliefs? And Cantonese is counted as Chinese? Whenever you talk about Chinese, you always ask Cantonese or Manderin...
Taiwan's letters are the complicated form of Chinese that people in the mainland used to use... Only now they use simplified Chinese since its easier...
Japanese and Koreans are different since they have different beliefs, history and language.
We are talking about two very different forms of gov't and political identities in China and Taiwan. Similar language, belief and history don't mean much. Kids in Korea, not sure about Japan, have to take basic Chinese in grade school. People in Korea and Vietnam celebrate similar holidays as those in mainland China. Some of them also have Chinese-originated last name, just have different written forms and pronunications.
Ummm...Kids in Korea have to learn basic Chinese in school because I have had Korean friends able to understand written Chinese characters and they means the same in Koreans as well as in Chinese. On the other hand, Chinese cannot understand Korean characters. I also had Korean elderly told me kids have to learn basic Chinese in school. I am no Chinese, and ain't trying to say Koreans are the same as Chinese. If you wanna argue and are too lonely, find someone else to play with.
actually, Koreans and Japanese did not originate from the same race as Han Chinese did, I don't know the details but they actually aren't genetically similar.
@obbymelons Taiwanese is not Chinese. Is a different language spoken in Taiwan. Taiwanese people learn from speaking it and are passed from parent to child (there are no books that teach you how to speak it - interesting, eh?). People are now trying to have Taiwanese written down using (Traditional) Chinese characters - looking for phonetic similarities... the results are very inexact. So, if you are fluent in Chinese, but not in Taiwanese, you still would not be able to read Taiwanese.
Different language? Not really.. There's a part of China called Guangzhou that speaks exactly the same. They actually called the language GuangDong Hua so it's not even originally from Taiwan but from mainland China.
I think you need more information to back that up. Traditional Chinese is recognized by many, many mainland people since it does not have that much of a difference and they are all exposed to traditional and simplified Chinese.
TAIWAN IS NOT A PART OF CHINA. period. period. There are no 19th or 20th century legal documents which can prove that Taiwan is part of China. Wake up.
Okay before everything started in WW2, Taiwan was ALREADY controlled by the Chinese and there were troops there. (not guns tho)
Then Japan attacked...and the two chinese communist parties managed to get them away...
Then Mao's party beated Jiang's so Jiang lead his group and conquered Taiwan (which is CHINA'S).
The Chinese would have took Taiwan by force long time since now but the dirty Americans threatened China, they'd attack China if they try to take Taiwan...
The are many definitions of what KMT will do, but none involve reunification with the current China, though I and many others fear Ma is getting....way to close to China. It's understandable though, since he was born in China, and I doubt he'll take it too far, since he grew up in Taiwan.
Oh I see rational discussion with "Chinese Communists Characteristics". Whereby you don't need a reasoned arguement as you simply need to repeat something enough times to convince yourself. Kind of makes you sound like a brainless parrot. Oh hell I'll give it a go too.
Taiwan isn't a part of CHINA!Taiwan isn't a part of CHINA!Taiwan isn't a part of CHINA!Taiwan isn't a part of CHINA!
Wow!!!! Rational discussion with "Chinese Communist Characteristics" is so much fun
The question of "invasion" is only a preliminary step. Taiwan is a territorial cession under Article 2b of the San Francisco Peace Treaty. In regard to the geographical scope of the treaty, the USA is the principal occupying power, and United States Military Government (USMG) jurisidiction is active over all Article 2 and Article 3 territories. (Taiwan is Article 2b, as noted above.) Hence, the analysis regarding "US passport eligibility." What is your analysis?
Yes, maybe that has something to do with the fact that the C.C.P has threatened to attack Taiwan if it changes its official title, flag or constitution. The fact that the official title of Taiwan is the "Republic of China" is an archaic relic kept artificially alive due to threats from the C.C.P. Remember the constitution of the R.O.C. still claims the Republic of Mongolia as part of the R.O.C. If this were to be taken seriously if Mongolian national could show up in Taiwan and stay on.
No wonder, that's what I thought, this guy's name is Dick, he is a dick. So whenever US invaded some countries, they can be declared as a US territory?. US invaded and occupied Beijing during the Qing dynasty, Chinese should be holding a US non citizen passport too. What the hell kind of logic is that? What a fucking idiot. Take your stupid law and practice elsewhere, tell that to the Chinese people they will tell you to go to hell.
I have been longing for World War 3. I love war! So start shooting each other! It would be much better if you guys nuke each other!! Oh my Gosh~that's awesome~nuke each other!! War-lover!!
i'm sorry but this is such a load of crap. quite frankly, there's nothing to analyze anymore. The ROC has gone down a totally seperate path than the Chinese, Japanese or the USA. No country has made a claim over Taiwan asides from the PRC, which is absolutely absurd. China has not madea claim over Taiwan since the Qing Dynasty
if that's the case, why do you create these videos. "Taiwan's not a legitimate country" "Neither the ROC or PRC have no claims over Taiwan" "America does not recognize ROC Government in Taiwan"...and so on. WHat's the point?
Hi, Taiwan belonged to China before it was given to Japan by the Chinese. And Japan released Taiwan after occupation. Then "Republic of China" - the country built by Dr. Sun, not the China stolen by the communists, came over Taiwan.
I don't see the point of fighting over something that's proven already, which is in fact Taiwan is a country by itself.
MrEsstonns 1 day ago
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Taiwan is not a country, it is still under the PRC and is bound by the Anti-Secession Law from 2005 and the Kuomintang Administration.
Spikewarrio 3 weeks ago
There is only one China Republic of China
TakenbyForce78 4 months ago
Holy crap! Taiwan really is a US colony! If somebody had told me that earlier I would never have believed them even for a second. I think I like this "internet" thing.
ryukXsayu27 6 months ago
What about Kimen and Matsu? Those two islands allow the ROC to apply for UN membership. You want to play the loopholes game? I can do this shit all day =P
RogerwilcoFoxtrot 6 months ago
@RogerwilcoFoxtrot Ha Ha Ha!!! Those two island groups are within the territorial waters of another UN member (the People's Republic of China), and therefore could not be used by the Republic of China government in exile to apply for UN membership.
tprophet77 6 months ago
@tprophet77 no, those two island groups are definitely part of Taiwan, the passport people from Kimen and Matsu are holding clearly states Republic of China, or TAIWAN.
MrEsstonns 1 day ago
maybe if the land was the size of china then they'll probably let it go
qgan 7 months ago
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QUOTE - 8 February 2007, Ireland’s Minister for Foreign Affairs: “United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 of 25 October 1971 recognised the Government of the People’s Republic of China as the sole representative of China. Although Taiwan continues to exercise autonomy and to term itself ''‘The Republic of China’'', this is not recognised in international law. Taiwan’s official status is that of a Province of China.”
SunnyWinterMorning 8 months ago
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suugai 8 months ago
When Admiral Perry visited Taiwan in the1860s, there were only a few scattered Chinese settlements along the west coast. In other words, in consideration of the entire island, the "Chinese" population was very small. The Japanese Empire was defeated by the USA, whereupon Gen. Douglas MacArthur delegated the Japanese surrender ceremonies and the ensuing military occupation in Taiwan to the Chinese Nationalists, however there was no transfer of sovereignty.
tprophet77 8 months ago
Almost 99.9% Taiwan people were from the mainland of China before 1895. And there was a Chinese government in Taiwan. Taiwan was tooken by Japan empire in1895. After WWII in 1945, Republic of China (first democracy of Asia) defeated Japan empire and took back Taiwan as Cairo Declaration states in 1943. And then, the PRC defeated ROC in 1949. ROC keeps only Taiwan now and lost his seat in UN because of the oppress from PRC. So, ROC now is not a country in UN. But, ROC is actually a country now.
justicelogic 8 months ago
@justicelogic Taiwan remained as sovereign Japanese territory until Japan renounced all claims in the April 28, 1952 peace treaty. Hence, when the ROC central government moved to occupied Taiwan in Dec. 1949, it became a government in exile. Taiwan/ROC is not a country, and hence cannot enter the United Nations.
tprophet77 8 months ago
@tprophet77 Dear, please check the history first and talk to me latter.On 25 October 1945, ROC troops came to Taiwan in order to accept the formal surrender of Japanese military forces in Taipei (then called Taihoku). Because of China civil war (1945~1949), Japan empire had a chance to postpone the peace treaty until 1952. But, ROC is actually in Taiwan since 1945~2011 now.
justicelogic 8 months ago
@justicelogic If the military forces in a Province of Iraq surrender to the US, does that Province then immediately become US territory? If the rebel soldiers in a village in Afganistan surrender to the US, does that village then become US territory? When the Spanish troops in Cuba surrendered on July 17, 1898, did Cuba then become incorporated into US national territory? The answer is NO in each instance. The surrender ceremonies only mark the beginning of the military occupation.
tprophet77 8 months ago
@justicelogic If the military forces in a Province of Iraq surrender to the US, does that Province then immediately become US territory? If the rebel soldiers in a village in Afganistan surrender to the US, does that village then become US territory? When the Spanish troops in Cuba surrendered on July 17, 1898, did Cuba then become incorporated into US national territory? The answer is NO in each instance. The surrender ceremonies only mark the beginning of the military occupation.
tprophet77 8 months ago
@justicelogic International law specifies that "military occupation does not transfer sovereignty." Please check the international law books and talk to me later.
tprophet77 8 months ago
@tprophet77 This is not only military occupation. Japan empire had to return Taiwan to ROC in 1945. And it is done. Please face the real history and fact and we can talk.
justicelogic 8 months ago
@justicelogic The Potsdam and Cairo Declarations were "statements of intent," but in themselves did not serve to transfer the territorial sovereignty of Taiwan to any other party. Oct. 25, 1945, was the beginning of the military occupation of Taiwan, and Taiwan remained as sovereign Japanese territory until ceded in the peace treaty effective April 28, 1952. Please face the international law and we can talk. See w w w.civil-taiwan.o r g /frus-data. h t m
tprophet77 8 months ago
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@tprophet77 If the facts is as what you said: "sovereign Japanese territory until ceded in the peace treaty effective April 28, 1952", why the ROC government can be on Taiwan since 1945 to now 2011?
justicelogic 8 months ago
Taiwan is the core benefit of PRC~
So, Taiwan can not independent~
If it has taken place.
soon...civil war of China start.
After 2 weeksTaiwanese will surrender and become similar territory as HK.
sqbb152 8 months ago
Actually, Taiwan is not truly "self-governed." It is governed by the Republic of China government in exile.
tprophet77 9 months ago
Taiwan is not a country... Just a self-governed State... not a member of any sort of international committees...
Vancbenson 9 months ago
Taiwan is a prove of how weak diplomacy really is .
HK379 10 months ago
lol so funny every1 in this video keep sayin taiwan is not part of china and in /watch?v=2E_xHbWKAmE everyone says taiwan is part of china, mayb tprophet77 should send a video response to that video
ynwccsd06 1 year ago
Hey China, if you have any problem with the U.S. saying what is or is not a province of China, remember: there are many independence movements in Puerto Rico, a colony annexed by the American Empire. >;)
apresesco 1 year ago
Nope, Taiwan is a an independant country
China is a THUGSTATE and not a country so it doesn`t count :)
DemocracynowChina 1 year ago
@DemocracynowChina "Taiwan" is a term of geography. There is no COUNTRY in the world today called Taiwan, and which conducts its foreign relations under the name of "Taiwan," or which issues "Taiwan ID cards" to its citizens. I guess you are confused.
tprophet77 1 year ago
@tprophet77 Well Taiwan doesn`t accept the Mainland beggar CCP blood tainted ID card tho :)
DemocracynowChina 1 year ago
@tprophet77 Chinese Mainlanders try, but they cannot get inside the Country of Taiwan with the Mainland ID, sorry to disappoint you, we don`t accept 2 nd class citizens :)
DemocracynowChina 1 year ago
@tprophet77 Yes. But what you say is present unless China attacks us.
DcCornnnnn 11 months ago
@tprophet77 Besides, tell you one more thing: the peace treaty was signed by Japan empire to ROC, not PRC. please note this.
justicelogic 8 months ago
are you just sayin' "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah........." ?
oOzoelinOo 1 year ago
Dude, maybe you didn't read my post carefully. So basically you are saying that Taiwanese (Hoklo) is NOT a different language to Chinese (Traditional/ Simplified Mandarin)?
Guangdong Hua is Cantonese btw. People don't speak Cantonese in Taiwan.
lokivive69 1 year ago
@lokivive69 correct, Taiwan chinese dialect include Hoklo which is fujianese(not cantonese) and hakka. i am a mix of fujianese and hakka blood and i am not from Taiwan so the culture on the island is definitely not unique to Taiwan.
having a separate government in HK, help the cantonese culture, and I see Taiwan providing the same benefit for fujianese culture. it would be best for Taiwan to continue to be it's own administration like HK.
lagrangewei 1 year ago
@lagrangewei LOL you are dumb, China doesn`t have any power of Taiwan and never had :)
Taiwan is not part of China, Mainland beggars doesn`t have a VISA to go to Taiwan too bad :)
Taiwan has a flag, Taiwan has a currency, Taiwan has it`s army, Taiwan has everything that makes it a country :)
DemocracynowChina 1 year ago
@lagrangewei Taiwan doesn`t give anything to people in Fujian, the only reason you are claiming Taiwan being part of China is because people came from FUJIAN a couple of CENTURY ago :)
ROFLMAO :)
DemocracynowChina 1 year ago
Honestly, I'm not trying to bash any Taiwanese, but what is your background?
Can any of you guys sincerely answer me without bashing China? Why is there Taiwan? Taiwan ended up separated from the rest of China when it was invaded by like 7+ European countries and then World War 2 happened. (Might not be so accurate about when it happened but yeah)
If Taiwan wants to break off and people support it, then fine. Just don't deny history.
obbymelons 1 year ago
@obbymelons
Well don't deny the fact that Taiwan was only ever effectively a province of the Qing dynasty from 1884 to 1895 and a province if the R.O.C from 1945 t0 1945
whytedog 11 months ago
Taiwan and China are two countries.
z5313996 1 year ago 2
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xindanglove 8 months ago
Taiwan is the homeland of the Austronesians. And unofficial eleventh member of the Asean
Thudothwacker 1 year ago
@Thudothwacker the Austronesians are indeed native of the island unfortunately they play not part in the foreign politic of Taiwan, they are not even a factor in domestic politic. They are however important in which they are cultural and historical links.
ASEAN officially view Taiwan as an unofficial SAR of China. it does not deal with Taiwan or DPRK; it deal with China, Korea and Japan (ASEAN+3). ASEAN take pro-china stance to make urgency for others to reach out to ASEAN, eg US, India, Japan.
lagrangewei 1 year ago
Taiwan was governed by the Holish, Spanish, Chinese, the Japanese, and now an independent country historically. Only China claims that Taiwan is theirs
gabby6741 1 year ago
Taiwan is a country! we have our own president and government! it's just the Chinese and some of Taiwanese don't think so!
gabby6741 1 year ago 8
@gabby6741 The United States has clarified that "Taiwan is not a country" on many occasions. Taiwan's applications for entrance to the United Nations are regularly "sent back" without even the application envelope being opened. As for the Republic of China on Taiwan, it is a government in exile. So, yes, it has a President, and different Ministries, but it is not a legitimate government for Taiwan.
tprophet77 1 year ago
@tprophet77 The United States does it under China's pressure.
DcCornnnnn 11 months ago
@gabby6741 wheres your UN membership?
hollisterluver1308 1 month ago
@hollisterluver1308 where's your brain?
MrEsstonns 1 day ago
@MrEsstonns Taiwan is and forever will be a Republic of China.... how will it gain independence? With force? get a military thats big enough to take down Beijing first, with treaties and compromises? in your dreams, china's government will not permit it..EVER!
hollisterluver1308 1 day ago
How far back is the timeline in your work? I don't see you incorporating any East Asian history at all. Did you ever seek advice from anyone that specialize in East Asian history? I'm sure there are many professors out there who can help you. Missing out important East Asian historical facts and focusing solely on US perspective can make your work narrow and hence, lacks credibility. I was expecting something a lot more comprehensive and intellectual from someone who claims to be from Wharton.
meltingEyeballs 1 year ago 6
@meltingEyeballs There are a selection of timelines on the TCG site. Please visit w w w . c i v i l - t a i w a n . o r g
tprophet77 1 year ago
@tprophet77 Although your work only traces back to 1895(Treaty of Shimonoseki), it does acknowledge that historically, Taiwan is part of China(Qing dynasty). I will encourage you to look even further back into East Asian History, the evidence is self explained.
meltingEyeballs 1 year ago
@tprophet77 The claim that Taiwan is not part of China revolves around an argument that China did not receive sovereignty over Taiwan from any party after WWII. Here's a simple analogy: Parent C has a child, T. Bandit J comes along and abducted T. Cop A defeated J. Now who is the parent of T? If common sense prevail over the intricate playing of words, our world will be a much peaceful place.
meltingEyeballs 1 year ago
Taiwan is not a part of China.Taiwan has never been a part of China.
Japan have not return Taiwan to R.O.C.
Japan renounced all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores by San Francisco Peace Treaty which was coming into effect on April 28,1952.
suicacollecter1992 1 year ago
You guy are so humorous... I suggest you learn more about Chinese history! Don't you know Taiwan used to be a province of China before it was colonized by the Jap?
senwuingen 1 year ago
@senwuingen But before it was colonized by the Qing it was the property of Koxinga. The mainlanders pretending Taiwan is CHinese are so humorous
UMIBOZUUU 1 year ago
Taiwan was conquered by the Qing Dynasty and was incorporated as part of the Qing Empire. After the first Sino-Japanese conflict, Taiwan was ceded to the empire of Japan. Base on these connections, it is no wonder if the Chinese consider Taiwan as part of China
sara1412 1 year ago
台湾は中国の一部ではない。
Taiwan is not a part of China.
台湾不是中国的一部分
suicacollecter1992 1 year ago
The mainland will never attack Taiwan; it will not need to, as long as the mainland is willing to give autonomy to Taiwan.
The Taiwan island economy will be more and more vulnerable to the threat of attrition. Taiwan will not be economically vibrant again unless the mainland will allow it to be.
The mainland will control the Taiwan economy in the decades to come. The threat of attrition will be very effective on the Taiwan economy. Taiwan is very vulnerable; businesses want clarity.
betalover1 2 years ago 2
stop doing too much drug! fucking chinks
ycformosa 1 year ago
Sorry to indicate that the ROC no longer exists as a recognized entity at the UN.
What was ROC is now, since 1971, a part of the PRC at the UN. The winner of a civil conflict rules the loser.
For this to change enough people in the world must be willing to give up hope on the PRC; this can only happen after a deadly war which the PRC loses. No war; no reversal of PRC recognition, and recognition of Taiwan as a part of the PRC.
"Acknowledge" is the "recognition of the claim of ".
betalover1 2 years ago
Your analysis is correct: "What was ROC, is now, since 1971, a part of the PRC at the UN." That would be the Kinmen and Mazu island groups. As "Formosa and the Pescadores" have never been incorporated into ROC national territory, they would of course not be included.
tprophet77 2 years ago
None of the leading Allies have ever recognized any transfer of Taiwan's territorial sovereignty to "China" after WWII. In the situation of the USA, the Congressional Research Service
report "China/Taiwan: Evolution of the One China Policy" (July 9, 2007) clarified that * US policy has not recognized the PRC's sovereignty over Taiwan;
* US policy has not recognized Taiwan as a sovereign country; and * US policy has considered Taiwan's status as undetermined.
tprophet77 2 years ago
Taiwan is what you think of it.
sega31098 2 years ago
china is part of JAPAN
lanuiiohu 2 years ago
What is material is Bang ki-moon says Taiwan is a part of the PRC.
It is difficult for the US to helpTaiwan with UN mandate, but it just may without a UN mandate, if a war has started.
What is material is that the mainland can exert greater and greater pressure on the Taiwan economy without starting a war but have plenty standby force that could destroy Taiwan.
Are Taiwanese willing to die in large numbers by starting a war? Mainland won't start a war; it just sees Taiwan wilts.
woodensurfer 2 years ago
What is the matter with "what is material"?...
sgfhk321 2 years ago
lets be honest - taiwan is part of china
jezaaa 2 years ago
Where is your proof? There are no legal documents which can prove that the territorial sovereignty of Taiwan has ever been transferred to China.
tprophet77 2 years ago
Taiwan is part of the ROC, but not the PRC. Before that it was Japanese for 50 years but before that it has always been Chinese since Han-people came.
janf1989 2 years ago
I am curious as to what international legal documents you can use to justify the "conclusion" that Taiwan is part of the ROC. Certainly, the United States Executive Branch has never recognized any "incorporation" of Taiwan into ROC national territory. There is a 1959 US court case which is very clear about this .......
tprophet77 2 years ago
A US court case is pretty irrelevant in intl. law. Taiwan has been an integral part of China before the Japanese took it in a forced agreement. This is just a hint on belonging status though. What is important is the concept of "Terra Nullius". Nobody but the ROC claimed the land in 1945 or had de facto control over it. Thus it belongs to the ROC, no legal document needed.
janf1989 2 years ago
terra nullius: [spoken of unpopulated territory] uninhabited islands or lands.
Comments: In late 1945, Taiwan had a population of approximately six million, and could certainly not be claimed under the doctrine of terra nullius.
tprophet77 2 years ago
That is not true. Apparently you cannot understand Latin or are unfamiliar with that legal term. Terra Nullius is land that has never been claimed or has been surrendered by the former sovereign. New sovereign will be who claims the island and is able to execute said claim. The R.O.C. is able to do both. Population is no deciding factor in this case.
janf1989 2 years ago
You are mixing up the two meanings of "occupation" and misconstruing the sense of "surrender" when you give your interpretation of "Terra Nullius. Taiwan was sovereign Japanese territory until the coming into force of the San Francisco Peace Treaty on April 28, 1952. It certainly wasn't terra nullius as a result of the "surrender of Japanese troops" on Oct. 25, 1945. The surrender of troops doesnt render territory terra nullius, it only marks the beginning of the military occupation.
tprophet77 2 years ago
@janf1989
what you said, is partly right. "terra nullius" = land without owner, like "filius nullius" = a son of nobody. that means illegitimate child.
what was wrong is not, "surrendered by former sovereign", but "abandoned by its former sovereign".
worldwideracing 1 year ago
@tprophet77
If you check the word "filius nullius" that means, A son of nobody. Latin, "terra nullius" means, unowned land, in english. It does not means uninhabited islands. "nullius" means "belong to" in english.
worldwideracing 1 year ago
@worldwideracing
sorry, nullius = belonging to nobody
worldwideracing 1 year ago
Good lord, i don't suppose you heard what the man was saying, so i don't suppose you know why he cares. He is saying that Taiwan belongs to the USA currently, and not to either of the Chinas. Thus i suppose that, as an American, it IS his, and all other American's 'buz'.
Gadgetfingers 2 years ago
this cocksucker in the video is not Chinese, what the fuck does he care? go home and mind your own buz,
dumb fuck retard.
monicasucksclinton 2 years ago
There is one China. BUT, there is also one Taiwan. 臺灣就是自己的國家!
However, I think I have to be realistic. Even if 100% of Taiwanese support an official anouncement of Taiwanese sovereignty, it probably wouldn't happen. Every major power in the world right now is sucking China's dick thus they wouldn't dare to support Taiwan. Taiwan's own government is even kissing China's ass and selling Taiwan for "better" relations.
acatisfinetoowut 2 years ago 16
@acatisfinetoowut You are right. The world is played by power. Taiwan's integration into China mainland, is inevitable historical trend.
everlastingbio 9 months ago
@everlastingbio None knows about the future. Maybe it will be like Germany or Russia. The soviet will collapse in a sudden, and the real democratic country in Taiwan,ROC, will be able to unite China.
justicelogic 8 months ago
I agree some outlooks on your comments . But that's why we have to strive for our common consensus . Past had gone away . We have the right against China's oppression . China's government is betrayal .
p25101 2 years ago
Well, I hope you are following your "words" with "action."
The proper action is to STOP offering any recognition to the "Republic of China" that it is in any way the legitimate gov't of Taiwan. This should be the common consensus .....
tprophet77 2 years ago
You're a Taiwanese . I think you should support Taiwan against any disturbance from China in our way to let the world know we are out of China .
p25101 2 years ago 2
@p25101
yes, i support your guys, you should not only out of china, but also out of asia, out of world. go go go.....
worldwideracing 1 year ago
Okay! Guys ! Taiwan is a free country , just like Japan and US . We have independent government and different institution from China or Japan .
p25101 2 years ago 2
You need to watch the video again. Taiwan is not a "country."
At the most basic level, the ROC in Taiwan is a subordinate occupying power, beginning Oct. 25, 1945. Then by moving its central government to occupied Taiwan in Dec. 1949, it became a gov't in exile.
Taiwan territory is occupied territory. The principal occupying power is the USA.
tprophet77 2 years ago
@tprophet77
well, if this guy is god. he may has right. if not, just a point of view. We have also ours, that so called USA is not a country. lol
worldwideracing 1 year ago
KatiushaVN2
I happened to see this account below. What happen to it? Does someone who hate you make this video? I couldn't get it! You should not have made such a ugly image to humiliate yourself, right?
check the user/KatushaVN
howyun 2 years ago
You are such an idiot!
Don't make your stupid comment! Sour grape!
Taiwan is not a part of any country!
Taiwan is making efforts to her official status!
That's all! Pathetic Idiot!
howyun 2 years ago 3
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AMERICA likes to blame CHINA as the BAD GUY, but why is USA still supporting the ONE CHINA POLICY!? People out there needs to understand that TAIWAN is the Secret Colonial State of America!
After WW2 when America defeated Japan, did USA gave Taiwanese People the freedom to elect our Taiwanese Government? No, they did not! What they did instead is to install an USA PUPPET Government by the name of KMT!
This is starts of American Imperalism of TAIWAN!
IronJackalTw 2 years ago
Legal and historical records matter not. Sadly enough, it all comes down to diplomatic and military power.
xiongmu 2 years ago
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Taiwan + China = SUPER.
I am Taiwanese. I hope Taiwan and China unite as soon as possible. You American smells like shit selling second-thing level weapons with unreasonable price to Taiwan. Taiwan will gradually stop buying your trash.
Taiwan + China = SUPER. This is why Japan and America do not want us get united.
fy6 2 years ago
so, like Puerto Rico, Taiwan belongs to U.S? btw where is taiwan?
donmai2862 2 years ago
Taiwan is part of Republic of China
hanchinese 2 years ago
Please inform me of the date and other details regarding the incorporation of Taiwan territory into the Republic of China via the procedures of Article 4 of the ROC Constitution.
(Note: the international community did not recognize any "transfer of sovereignty" of Taiwan territory to the ROC upon the Oct. 25, 1945 surrender ceremonies .... )
tprophet77 2 years ago
Excuse me...
Is there any new development about the suing in the States so far? thanks.
howyun 2 years ago
A Taiwanese isn't a Chinese. A Taiwanese is Taiwanese. Cheer！
akaospirits 2 years ago 22
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a jap isn't a human, a jap is a pig, cheer!
georgelei1573 2 years ago
@akaospirits Why do you deny your Chinese culture? I think we are both Taiwanese and Chinese!!
DcCornnnnn 11 months ago
@akaospirits
that is so true!
FantasyWarrior09 8 months ago
@akaospirits right, Shanghainese is not Chinese, Shanghainese is Shanghainese.
warakawa3 7 months ago
@akaospirits According to official governmental statistics, 98% of Taiwan's population is made up of Han Chinese
caomeidi 5 months ago
We are Taiwanese !
PeterSu1982 2 years ago 4
United states didn't even exist when china had relationship with taiwan, you fucking fat pig
IChosenKnight 3 years ago
another western lies, where did you get your evidence, ? american made up one?
IChosenKnight 3 years ago
The San Francisco Peace Treaty does not recognize the ROC as a member of the Allies ..... you need to read the treaty more carefully.
Oct. 25, 1945, marks the beginning of the military occupation of Taiwan, and in December 1949 by moving its central government to occupied Taiwan the ROC has become a government in exile.
tprophet77 3 years ago
International law is flawed as in niether ROC or PRC was part of the San Francisco treaty, the treaty had no right to perscribe a dominion under its control, or to bind the actions of non-participants of any treaty. Every international jurist understands that. The claim that the Chinese (ROC) was a force of the United States in the Chinese theatre of war is ignorant of the fact that China was a party to WWII and war with Japan prior to US entering the war. ur argument is illogical
rockafella813 3 years ago
this video is bullshit...in the the Cairo Accord allies clearly indicated that TW is to be returned to ROC. Prior to 1896, Taiwan was apart of China, and that the Treaty of Shimoneski was declared void abonitio.
rockafella813 3 years ago
The Cairo Accord is a statement of intent, but has no legal authority to actually transfer territorial title. To dissect the details of the transfer of territorial title, you have to look at the peace treaty. Oh!! Taiwan was not awarded to China!!! P.S. the Treaty of Shimonoseki is/was not subject to later cancellation, and no international court has ever recognized such an "announcement" as having any legal validity whatsoever!! HENCE, your arguments all amount to nothing.
tprophet77 3 years ago
TAIWAN DOES NOT BELONG TO CHINA
CHEFFIE830 3 years ago 3
TAIWAN DOES BELONG TO CHINA
rockafella813 3 years ago
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china using romanized words to type chinese.... i guess they suck western cock they worship stalin
styoshiki 3 years ago
Taiwan belongs to the Native Taiwanese. Regardless of any historic status, the Native Taiwanese never voluntarily ceded their territory; it was forcibly taken from them. On the other hand the ROC is arguably the rightful government of China. Pan-Blue and Pan-Green should focus on what they both want: China for the ROC, Taiwan for the Native People. If they ever are to achieve that goal, they must work together to retake the mainland.
Daewonsu 3 years ago
Taiwan had been conquered/occupied by China since antiquity, whether native Taiwanese cede is totally irrelevant. Learn some international law jackass! The PRC has a very logical, legal and legitimate claim to Taiwan the idiot in the tube would know, but choose not to advocate for. He conveniently ignores the time line of war, China's historical claims, the Cairo Accord, and Japan's separate surrender documents to China. If US wants Taiwan, let's fight for it you American scums
rockafella813 3 years ago
Very informative and relatively balanced presentation (and i have no doubt about the legal verity of your statments!) however, I think that the moral and cultural reasoning you use to justify the refusal of Taiwan statehood arguable. It may be true that Taiwan is under the US dimion, and so is not officially a country, however, although not by military means but rather older colonial traditions, so too technically are Canada, India and Australia, being within the commonwealth.
dazpatreg 3 years ago
so in another word, PRC or ROC must use force to "conqurer" taiwan from USA? i dont get it, Taiwanese are taiwanese, the whole island are 23 million taiwanese, why the fuck should they think about bloody US side? fuck US law or what ever WW2 San Franscisco law, look at the reality, nobody gives a shit about US law, in Taiwan, US law dont apply there, ok?
dumdidolabumbuladido 3 years ago
"Taiwanese" is a description of people native to the island of Taiwan, but it is not a NATIONALITY. This is why the court case of Roger Lin v. United States of America is proceeding in Washington, DC. The goal is to obtain an internationally recognized NATIONALITY for the Taiwanese people!
tprophet77 3 years ago
USA sucks
pianolover1986 3 years ago
no wonder many taiwanese consider USA as 邪惡帝國
dumdidolabumbuladido 3 years ago
i don't understand...
if taiwanese think they are seperate nation then it is seperate nation. if taiwanese think they should unite with china then they are part of china. it is up to taiwanese whethere they become china or independent. why force them to become china?
it is just my opinion so don't get angry at me
hawkchoi 3 years ago 2
So, if the Alaskans think they are part of Russia, then that makes it valid? And if the people in Louisiana believe they still belong to France, such beliefs make it valid? The world doesn't operate that way my friend.
tprophet77 3 years ago
You need a history lesson!! Taiwan was ceded to Japan in 1895. During the WWII period, and indeed up to April 28, 1952, Taiwan was under Japanese sovereignty. (I believe you are confusing Taiwan island with Hainan island.) Chiang Kai-shek did not conqueror Taiwan, but was merely directed to go there to accept the surrender of Japanese troops. The surrender ceremonies were held Oct. 25, 1945, thus marking the beginning of the military occupation of Taiwan.
tprophet77 3 years ago
Are you FUCKING kidding me, your aganist yourself... nice belief dude.
THE WHOLE TAIWAN IS MADE UP OF CHINESE PEOPLE, you dont make sense by saying not trusting yourself, think please.
obbymelons 3 years ago
Haha..the irony is that majority of people (both KMT and DPP supporters) in Taiwan do not see themselves as "Chinese". No need to force your belief on people who don't see themselves as Chinese.
jcs1978 3 years ago 2
Lmfao? What is Taiwanese made from? Chinese...
I'm not even forcing beliefs, I'm just trying to make you understand...
At the end your still Chinese, either you are in Taiwan or not.
obbymelons 3 years ago
Koreans and Japs are originally from China. Are they Chinese too? It's how the people of Taiwan see themselves, not the way you understand it or how the traditional Chinese view sees the people of Taiwan. Last time I checked, Chinese people need translation to understand Taiwanese. They must be thinking ain't people from Taiwan Chinese like it was taught in the history books in mainland China??? Why need translation???
jcs1978 3 years ago 4
But they have the same beliefs? And Cantonese is counted as Chinese? Whenever you talk about Chinese, you always ask Cantonese or Manderin...
Taiwan's letters are the complicated form of Chinese that people in the mainland used to use... Only now they use simplified Chinese since its easier...
Japanese and Koreans are different since they have different beliefs, history and language.
obbymelons 3 years ago
We are talking about two very different forms of gov't and political identities in China and Taiwan. Similar language, belief and history don't mean much. Kids in Korea, not sure about Japan, have to take basic Chinese in grade school. People in Korea and Vietnam celebrate similar holidays as those in mainland China. Some of them also have Chinese-originated last name, just have different written forms and pronunications.
jcs1978 3 years ago 2
For a fact, they dont take basic Chinese in grade school, similar holidays... WOW THE WHOLE ASIAN PART celebrates them...
And they arent Chinese originated... they just look alike
like english, french and all the europe languages...
obbymelons 3 years ago
Ummm...Kids in Korea have to learn basic Chinese in school because I have had Korean friends able to understand written Chinese characters and they means the same in Koreans as well as in Chinese. On the other hand, Chinese cannot understand Korean characters. I also had Korean elderly told me kids have to learn basic Chinese in school. I am no Chinese, and ain't trying to say Koreans are the same as Chinese. If you wanna argue and are too lonely, find someone else to play with.
jcs1978 3 years ago
actually, Koreans and Japanese did not originate from the same race as Han Chinese did, I don't know the details but they actually aren't genetically similar.
foolisnoteighteenyet 3 years ago
@obbymelons Taiwanese is not Chinese. Is a different language spoken in Taiwan. Taiwanese people learn from speaking it and are passed from parent to child (there are no books that teach you how to speak it - interesting, eh?). People are now trying to have Taiwanese written down using (Traditional) Chinese characters - looking for phonetic similarities... the results are very inexact. So, if you are fluent in Chinese, but not in Taiwanese, you still would not be able to read Taiwanese.
lokivive69 1 year ago
@lokivive69 What are you saying.
Different language? Not really.. There's a part of China called Guangzhou that speaks exactly the same. They actually called the language GuangDong Hua so it's not even originally from Taiwan but from mainland China.
I think you need more information to back that up. Traditional Chinese is recognized by many, many mainland people since it does not have that much of a difference and they are all exposed to traditional and simplified Chinese.
obbymelons 1 year ago
TAIWAN IS NOT A PART OF CHINA. period. period. There are no 19th or 20th century legal documents which can prove that Taiwan is part of China. Wake up.
tprophet77 3 years ago
Ummmm Let's talk...
Okay before everything started in WW2, Taiwan was ALREADY controlled by the Chinese and there were troops there. (not guns tho)
Then Japan attacked...and the two chinese communist parties managed to get them away...
Then Mao's party beated Jiang's so Jiang lead his group and conquered Taiwan (which is CHINA'S).
The Chinese would have took Taiwan by force long time since now but the dirty Americans threatened China, they'd attack China if they try to take Taiwan...
obbymelons 3 years ago
TAIWAN IS PART OF CHINA. period.
studioghiblitotoro 3 years ago
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Taiwan is a part of CHINA！
It's obvious.
henrypan23 3 years ago
The are many definitions of what KMT will do, but none involve reunification with the current China, though I and many others fear Ma is getting....way to close to China. It's understandable though, since he was born in China, and I doubt he'll take it too far, since he grew up in Taiwan.
taiwanrox8 3 years ago
taiwan elected government against taiwan independence.
LiberationDragon 3 years ago
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Taiwan must be a part of China！ Cause Taiwan can not be a part of USA！！！
It's none of your fucking business, Uncle Sam!!!
CLTWLJ 3 years ago
based on "national self-determination" , "peoples self-determination" , "free will".
Taiwan is a independent country.
S856I15 3 years ago 3
official name of taiwan is republic of china
LiberationDragon 3 years ago
this user is a pathetic piece of shit, the people of taiwan have spoken, theyve elected a government AGAINST taiwan faggotry independence
LiberationDragon 3 years ago
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taiwan is a part of CHINA!!!
Taiwan is a part of CHINA!!!
Mofisy 3 years ago
Oh I see rational discussion with "Chinese Communists Characteristics". Whereby you don't need a reasoned arguement as you simply need to repeat something enough times to convince yourself. Kind of makes you sound like a brainless parrot. Oh hell I'll give it a go too.
Taiwan isn't a part of CHINA!Taiwan isn't a part of CHINA!Taiwan isn't a part of CHINA!Taiwan isn't a part of CHINA!
Wow!!!! Rational discussion with "Chinese Communist Characteristics" is so much fun
whytedog 3 years ago 2
The question of "invasion" is only a preliminary step. Taiwan is a territorial cession under Article 2b of the San Francisco Peace Treaty. In regard to the geographical scope of the treaty, the USA is the principal occupying power, and United States Military Government (USMG) jurisidiction is active over all Article 2 and Article 3 territories. (Taiwan is Article 2b, as noted above.) Hence, the analysis regarding "US passport eligibility." What is your analysis?
tprophet77 3 years ago
Yes, maybe that has something to do with the fact that the C.C.P has threatened to attack Taiwan if it changes its official title, flag or constitution. The fact that the official title of Taiwan is the "Republic of China" is an archaic relic kept artificially alive due to threats from the C.C.P. Remember the constitution of the R.O.C. still claims the Republic of Mongolia as part of the R.O.C. If this were to be taken seriously if Mongolian national could show up in Taiwan and stay on.
whytedog 3 years ago
No wonder, that's what I thought, this guy's name is Dick, he is a dick. So whenever US invaded some countries, they can be declared as a US territory?. US invaded and occupied Beijing during the Qing dynasty, Chinese should be holding a US non citizen passport too. What the hell kind of logic is that? What a fucking idiot. Take your stupid law and practice elsewhere, tell that to the Chinese people they will tell you to go to hell.
Dragondecendent 3 years ago
I have been longing for World War 3. I love war! So start shooting each other! It would be much better if you guys nuke each other!! Oh my Gosh~that's awesome~nuke each other!! War-lover!!
hubertcy 3 years ago
i'm sorry but this is such a load of crap. quite frankly, there's nothing to analyze anymore. The ROC has gone down a totally seperate path than the Chinese, Japanese or the USA. No country has made a claim over Taiwan asides from the PRC, which is absolutely absurd. China has not madea claim over Taiwan since the Qing Dynasty
jlin249 3 years ago
I agree entirely. Neither the ROC nor the PRC have any valid claims over Taiwan.
tprophet77 3 years ago
if that's the case, why do you create these videos. "Taiwan's not a legitimate country" "Neither the ROC or PRC have no claims over Taiwan" "America does not recognize ROC Government in Taiwan"...and so on. WHat's the point?
jlin249 3 years ago
You should go back and watch my videos again!!! Everything is clearly explained.
tprophet77 3 years ago
Nice video. Mind telling us who Taiwan belonged to before it was invaded by Japan?
markfeng66 3 years ago
It belonged to China. Then it was ceded in perpetuity to Japan in 1895. (A cession is not a "lease," please don't confuse the two terms.)
tprophet77 3 years ago
Hi, Taiwan belonged to China before it was given to Japan by the Chinese. And Japan released Taiwan after occupation. Then "Republic of China" - the country built by Dr. Sun, not the China stolen by the communists, came over Taiwan.
whitefacecat 3 years ago
your video goes in circles so many times that it leads to no conclusion. It talks about a legal documents refuting other legal documents and so on...
jlin249 3 years ago
No one is saying that Taiwan is part of the US. Taiwan is "foreign territory under the dominion of the US."
tprophet77 3 years ago
What a ridiculous video.
So you are saying that Taiwan is part of the U.S. because the U.S. military lawas and a peace treaty between the U.S. and Japan support that?
You are either naive or crazy, or both.
This world has never been ruled by laws. Otherwise there would have been no wars. Whoever has the power wins the territory and writes the laws.
libin17 3 years ago
I hope the international society can understand and support we Chinese people.
If you never come to our coutry,you won't know our culture and won't know the Chinese people
greenshexian 3 years ago
Taiwan issue is very special,it's the result of the China inner war
greenshexian 3 years ago 2
Incorrect. The "Taiwan issue" is a matter left over from WWII in the Pacific.
tprophet77 3 years ago