Look, not all Christians are that stupid. I'm a Christian Jew. I have friends that are Atheist and I don't make fun of them or hate them for it. I also stand up for them when they're being harassed by "Christians". and those "Christians" are not Christians, they're assholes because Jesus taught us to love people, not cast them aside because they're different.
I do not think a school should have a destinctive prayer that belongs to a religion. but I do think it is ok to have a moment of silence. Then that way no religion is pushed on people. it is a public school
I use to go to bible class twice a week and the more I read the more I think its a nice book that belongs in the fiction section of the library. What king of god does these things. kills two kids for making fun at a bald man 2 kings 2.23 kills a man for picking up sticks on the sabbath num 15.32.36 allowed satin to kill seven sons and three daughters of job for a bet. There have been more people kill in the name of religion than for any other reason.
@mrtimjr I explained very well but you are semi-retarded as most atheists & satanists are. I explained that spirituality & belief in God is something you have to achieve yourself. I explained that atheists are mostly Satanists pretending to be atheists. I explained how atheists criticizing believers is wrong & violates their religious freedom. I explained many things, but you can't even put all the information together & think straight. Your mind is not working straight as all who follow false.
Wow, this makes me feel lucky where I live; I told my friends I was an Atheist and they really didn't care. I hope the girl finds a good school instead that horrible one.
Christians, I know you guys think god hates gays and atheists...
But would you do me a favor?
Next time you see god, please tell him I think that that is a fair stance, and will accept his opinion of "those heathens" the moment he gets his butt down here and ends war, homelessness and starvation, and disease.
Considering he made the world in 7 days, I don't think I'm asking too much!
I sympathese with this girl, and no doubt she is attacked daily for her stand. I guess the thing that worries me is she said "I was born Atheist." I don't think a child should be born atheist, or because her parents are atheist. Someone should be atheist only when they have looked at the evidence and can decided for themselves. I'm a Atheist but I think this shows you can be atheist for prehaps the wrong reason.
I feel that girls pain. I am not an outspoken atheist, simply just an atheist. I lost a lot of friends just because one day when asked about my faith I responded, "I am an atheist."
I'm Christian. Honestly as "immoral" and "hurtful" we may seem there are some very good people in the church. There are a few Christians that go out of control but other then that Christians are no different then other people.
I'm an Atheist and I have little problem with people of other faith. What bothers me is when religious people, particularly Christians, use their faith to discriminate others and justify hate.
@luciferous66 cont. ... don't give me the crap about the people in the bible were actual eye witnesses, you will sound like more of an idiot than you just might think.
They were NOT eye witnesses, the bible is nothing more than a book of stolen myths from religions of the surrounding areas.
The N.T. was written to make it appear that the prophesies of the O.T. were fulfilled, it is a lie.
The N.T. was written in Rome somewhere around the 3rd or 4th Cent. to control the masses.
I hear hristians bitching all the time that they are being 'picked on', well its about time!
Christians have had free reign to talk about their lies, and myths, for way too long. They are on multiple T.V.stations, they leave tracts all over the place, they knock on people's doors....it just doesn't stop!
Now that they are getting a taste of their own medicine, the christians are all upset...well Boo-Hoo!
Atheists, it is time to give the christians back what they have been dishing out!
You will notice that the young lady isn't sad or depressed because of her lack of belief in god, but by the bullying, ostracizing, and bigoted behavior of her fellow students, and townspeople. While there are happy, and pleasant things done in the name of religion, religion is a powerful weapon that justifies pedophilia, murder, genocide, and closed mindedness. Religion is based on unreliable scriptural "evidence", and one of it's most sacred ideals: faith. Which is to say, nothing at all.
As a Christian I apologize for all Christians for so mis re-presenting Christ to the point we all look like fools. We have done nothing but talk and talk is cheap, and we' haven't even done a good job at that.
@TheStrawbeery Making assertions he can't prove?? Sounds like religion in a nutshell. If you can supply me with sufficient evidence that God exists, then I'd be happy to concede and join whichever religion sounds more plausible. So please prove your beliefs - I'd love to know what you think.
@TheStrawbeery If you are a religious person you should not judge atheist because "the God will judge" stop doing gods job. And give me a single proved fact about gods existence please, and then say that the atheist have no prove.
@TheStrawbeery i read the bible many times i was a very religious person but when i started to read the bible with a analytical and critical mind i saw all the horros in it. yet another contradiction - can we juge or no: (Matthew 7:1-5), (Romans 14:1-13) , these and many more verses telling humans not to juge.
@TheStrawbeery Bible is lacks in morals and ethics so it is hard for me to believe it is a gods word, is god realy that horrible? i have looked in to the prove of god existence that you provided and many others but i came to the conclusion that the only prove might be the feeling that you get when you are religious, the feeling of faith, but i don't have it any more. All the archaelogical evidence only have theories, there are no facts.
@TheStrawbeery what world history did the bible predict i find the bible very interesting so if you can educate me please? I think the problem with bible is that it is interpreted in so many ways, people chose what they want to believe in, they block out the horrors of the bible. If the bible is a gods word it should be perfect, because according to the bible he is perfect. If the god exists he is a god of chaos.
@TheStrawbeery Well i see no evidence in non of these points that you have made. First of all i do not believe in the bible being a gods word so anything from that book is irrelevant to me. When i started studying science in depth thats when i realised religion is only based on faith and not on reasonable logic. I don't want to come across as rude in any way and i truly respect your beliefs. I wish i could be religious but i can't.
@TheStrawbeery In a world before photography, how do you expect 532 people in 13 different locations to accurately recognise Jesus exactly? People obviously just either lied about it, or they saw various people who looked like their basic understanding of what Jesus looked like, and made their own assumptions. It's a basic matter of scotoma - the mind sees what it chooses to see.
@TheStrawbeery The funny thing is, you can't prove a word you just said. All the "witness" accounts of Jesus are anecdotes from the books left out of the NT, and I can gaurentee you most of them claimed to see Jesus hundreds of years after his supposed rising. You are relying on "Hearsay" evidence. Nothing more. I wouldn't trust gullible ignorant barbaric stone age witnessess even if I had half the intellegence you had.
@TheStrawbeery Last summer I went to the lake and wanted to get to the other side, so I walked on the water over to the other side.
100 people were there, they saw me walk on the water, and when I got to the other side of the lake, 500 people that were in the graves dead rose up out of their graves and walked around town praising.
I don't tell anyone I'm an atheist unless I know the person I'm speaking to is a fellow free-thinker or atheist. You can never tell how zealous people are with their beliefs and I am earnestly scared being around those of faith, irrationality and emotion dominates the majority of their thoughts. I think the best thing to do is to prod at the thoughts they have, and spread seeds for possible future free-thought and morality.
Saying "I'm an Atheist" seems to be the equivalent of "I fuck satan".
i am a christian & its perfectly correct to say they have NO right to treat that girl so badly.
1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect
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When I was in the 8th grade one of my classmates asked me what I did for lent. I told him I was an atheist, which lead to me having to explain the word secular. When I was finished he pointed at me and shouted: This kid doesn’t believe in god! The entire class erupted and I was hazed by a small handful of kids for the rest of the year.
Nicole’s father is spot on when he uses the word “gang.”
@Aryacalanatha No, it shows how evil religion is. While they did discus Christianity, such prejudice is everywhere in the world.
And I'll be honest, I sort of expect that of the highschoolers. Kids can be crule and think nothing of it. However I expected more from the teachers, who should act like adults.
This is a reason why the founding fathers wanted a seperation from church and state.
There's a theory that there is a major change, and people are converting from from atheism to Christianity or Islam. but it's still not known which way it's tilting. To settle this once and for all, Go Show You Support For You Religion My Friends.
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God cannot be proven nor disproved because "He" is extra-dimensional. Basically, it's the story of Flat Land: the inability for a 2-D object to fully explain a 3-D one. Yet, the IDEA of "God" can be proven for the mere fact that something must always come from something else. But atheists deny this in their belief and act in faith when they propose that something (us) came from nothing. "Then prove God exists." they say. He's extra-dimensional to me therefore I can't. And that hypothesis works.
@kingofswing3000 You are a typical theist putting words into others mouths. Atheists do not believe everything came from nothing. However, we do not believe in putting an answer in "some invisible man in the sky" for which there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. We look for REAL answers, not some made up scapegoat to help explain everything with "magic." It seems bullheaded to me to believe that with all the other billions of galaxies in the universe we are the main focus. How arrogant.
@theknowbeing At 2:16 the dad basically asks "Prove God."The words I put in his mouth are:that is impossible for a limited dimensional being to do.We exist under limited governing laws.My hypothesis is that while "God" can't be proven,the idea/possibility of God can.For while we exist in (for sake of argument) 4-D this Being exists in one outside of that."Magic" comes from the view that asks for verifiable science yet can't explain what created the 1st quark and what created it before that etc.
@theknowbeing Proposing an extra-inter-dimensional Being hypothesis that theorizes on the ability to create Itself even if I can't is not "some invisible man in the sky." (Now, Who exactly that Being is is another matter.)But a beginning needs a Beginner that exists outside of our dimensions otherwise you have nature begetting nature begetting nature. And that seems a little bit more arrogant because it's asserting that limited dimensions can do what limited dimensions can't/never have/don't.
@kingofswing3000 Everything youre saying is built upon the speculation that there IS some being out there that created everything. Thats what creationists tend to do. They come up with an answer and THEN look for evidence to support it. This is not scientific, nor is it a good way to do ANYTHING. There is absolutely no evidence to support any kind of deity. So why are you still convinced there is? Brainwashing. Religion is good about that. Grow up and quit believing fairy tales.
@theknowbeing My "speculation" is that in the verifiable science that atheists assert to need - they lack it.They say that nature is and has been.However,nothing in the known universe begets something without something else playing a factor. If X-Ds and laws are what that belief is based on,and assuming that those laws are fairly consistent,than please tell me: what created the first quark/lepton/atom/whatever? I'm not trying to "prove" God. I'm theorizing that X-Ds is possible with Y-D.
@theknowbeing Scientifically,show me that the limited dimensions/laws that exist have the ability and history to create themselves.Show me one example of something in nature that appeared without the assistance of something else.Even the spontaneous neutrino, last time I checked,has a universe somewhere in the background helping out. My "speculation" is based solely on the atheistic position that science governs all (I agree) yet then asserting that nature created itself.Sounds like religion.
@kingofswing3000 We as of yet have not figured out exactly how it all happened. However, we've only had electricity a short time. Look at the advancements we have acheived in the past hundred years. Human evolution, maybe? I am a firmly convinced that soon we will know the REAL truth instead of putting faith, based on no evidence whatsoever, on an intangible creator. Thats just the easy way out, which is completely detrimental to any thinking species.
@theknowbeing I agree.We don't know exactly.So what will that "truth" be?Again,the atheistic platform is:show me God.I can't.Limited X can't prove extra-Y.But I can propose that just because a 2-D line doesn't know how a 3-D ball operates doesn't deny the existence of the ball.I exist in 4."God" in 5. That is a theory (albeit quaint) that is verifiable. Like I said, based on what you know about science and how nature works: what tipped the domino? What created the 1st quark? And before that?
@kingofswing3000 Like I said: we dont know YET. We're still figuring out our own world, finding new unexplored areas and new species every day. If it were up to the roman catholic church we would never have gotten as far as we have now. That is my beef with religion. It breeds close-mindedness, intolerance, and control over fellow humans. It is an evil thing that turns man against man in the name of an imaginary being. If there were a creator of some sort, I can guarantee it would not be these.
@kingofswing3000 Then where did god come from? A very flawed theory my friend.
You can't just say: "well, we're here and we must have come from something so let's worship god and bash gays and abortion". You have NO idea if god exists or not, and yet religion shapes our society as though he were real.
If you believe that something can't come from nothing, and therefore god exists, then where did god come from? Stop guessing and humble yourself. Arrogant theists.
@MrTimJr You should actually read what I wrote. Really. To simplify: We exist in limited dimensions and governing laws. God exists outside of that. For sake of argument, 5-dimensions can do what 4 can't. Now, my theory is quaint but suffices because it would explain "what created God". Now, please explain to me how nature with limited dimensions/governing laws can break said laws and dimensions and do something that can't be verified in nature: create itself. Seriously. I actually want to know.
@kingofswing3000 your theory is quaint indeed! For once you can not use science to explain religions. For a real Scientific study you first need to observe a certain phenomenon then you study it, draw out a conclusion then retest repeatedly. The Fact is that no body has seen "God" before so to prove his/her/it existance is already an imposible task, left alone where is he from or what can he do. My question is: Do we care enough to prove his existance?
@keirenle Nah. Everything you are asking I have already stated again and again. Whether it be about "proving God" or verifiable science as it pertains to theist and atheistic belief platforms.
@MrTimJr I can't get any more humble than to say that I am very limited in the realm and dimensions I exist and the intellect I hold.I am X dimensions.And those X exist in a place that needs Y;X cannot make itself.Now,since stones have been thrown ("arrogant") I'm just gonna say that in the face of common sense (nothing in nature creates itself without outside assistance) Atheists are a religion unto themselves. Athe-ism is just like any other -ism that disavows science as much as the rest.
@kingofswing3000 God has done nothing for me so why should i worship him/her/it? Even He/she/it really love me and give his life for me, so what he should not expect my love and devotion in return. I would graciously decline his offer and request a restrain order if he persist. Too easy.
@keirenle At this point, I haven't talked about worshiping any one Deity. This has been a discussion on the science (or lack of in some cases) in Proving/Disproving God.
@kingofswing3000 No it doesn't, because where did god then come from? And where did the extra dimension come from?
Richard Dawkins explains why the god "theory" doesn't make sense in "The God Delusion". The Universe is so amazingly complex that it would take an infinitely more complex being to create it, and an even more infinitely complex being to create THAT being. It's a good read.
@kingofswing3000 no the hypothesis does not work. It is to say i see the unicorn but he lives in the 3rd dimension and so therefore you can not see it but it exists . Well, the conclusion is : no it doesn't, injecting some pseudo scientific terms does not help to prove anything. Until we can verified the claim it will remain a mystical creator just like Gods. The hypothesis is only worked if it is a bridge from 2 well established facts.
@keirenle That's fine. Keep on believing that a non-infinite universe governed by limited dimensions and laws has the ability to create itself. And don't worry about having to prove how something came from nothing. It's an inspiration to me: that level of faith, I mean. In the meantime, I'm going to believe in extra-dimensional unicorns.
To be honest, I think faith should be left as a personal matter. While it is a known fact that many atrocities have been done in the name of a god (e.g., the Spanish Inquisition and the Sept. 11th attacks), I believe that for some people faith is necessary for them in order to have some hope in their lives. It shouldn't matter what faith a person follows or if that person follows a faith at all. I think they should just follow whatever belief with which they feel the most comfortable.
We do not have eyewitness accounts at all. We have second-hand and third-hand reports of eyewitness accounts.
The 500 "witnesses" were all illiterate, fanatical and unnamed - if they existed at all. Once would have to take the apostles' word for it, and those accounts are sketchy, inconsistent, contradictory, and were written many years later.
@taicleis Matthew and John were eye witnesses. Mark it sais in Peters book was traveling with him (and Paul). He wrote from listening to Peter talk. Luke is a doctor goin around interviewing eye witnesses. Some of them in 1Corrinthians 15 are named, the 500 are "still alive today though some have fallen asleep." it was a whole church he was wrighting that to, not to mention that it was going to be distributed as Bible for all the other churches in time for pastor Peter to talk about them too.
@desasterz LOL. Name one! What exactly did they see and where and when? This is the flimsiest and most ridiculous form of hearsay. The only first-person account of someone witnessing a resurrected Jesus is from Paul himself. ONE PERSON. Two thousand years ago. There are hundreds of people who in the last few decades have witnessed the resurrection of holy men in India. Why don't you believe them and become a Hindu? The evidence is much better.
Most Christians think that the testimony of a few fanatical women is reliable evidence that a 'dead person' became a 'living person'. Not that smart.
What we DO have evidence for is that 2000 years ago, a radical Jewish rabbi started a Jewish restoration movement against the Romans, was executed, and his followers made up details later about his life to 'fulfill' messianic prophecy. Looking at evidence. THAT'S smart.
@taicleis You dont have to be mart to be a Christian. But you can be and no matter how smart you are, you should accept what the Bible sais, it is intelectually consistant. It was not a few fanatical wemen. It was five hundred people Corrinthians says, "most of whom are still alive today though some have fallen aslep." It took a scientist called Luke to investigate everything from the very begining beffore the longes and most detailed account of Jjesus' life was writen. Thats good enough.
Faith is a big part for most people. Yet, all individuals have the right to have or not have a religion, no one should be forced to pray or participate in religious activities. And I think, the constitution gives you that right, doesn't it?
whether their is a God or isn't were all just people and we need to love each other no matter beliefs, skin color, sexual orientation, etc. just get along and be happy :)
Is it REALLY a big deal if someone is an Atheist? We're all flesh and blood, just different beliefs. Why is everyone so butthurt about someone denying religion? I'm perfectly happy being an Atheist. I respect those who believe in God. All I ask is that they respect my beliefs. Or at least pretend to.
How many Atheists have started a war or crusade? Now, how many religions have started wars and crusades? You can be 20 years old and lived thru over two dozen wars started because of religious conflict.
The fact that the students called her "Devil Worshiper" shows how uneducated they are. Satanism is a religion, so if she was an Atheist, how could she WORSHIP Satan? They are so stupid and only make religion look worse
People sometimes rob grocery stores using toy guns. The cashier can't tell that the gun is fake, and so - fearing the power of said 'gun' - hand over the money.
Just because you do something BELIEVING in a certain cause, does not make that cause true.
@taicleis Well I know Jesus Christ is real. I know God speaks to people. God wants all to come to eternal life thru Jesus Christ. In my opinion and belief, Jesus Christ changed me by trusting in him. I can not credit the change to my own will. Jesus Christ is real. He died and rose, so all could have eternal life. He is waiting. Without Jesus Christ, there is no remission of sins.
Come on. Use your head. How do you know all the things you just proclaimed to be true? You're assuming they are. You chose to believe in one thing, and then accepted every detail that someone ELSE tells you about that one thing.
"In my opinion and belief, Jesus Christ changed me by trusting in him."
And I just told you why that belief is wrong. Try to be honest with yourself. Look at the change you made. Is there anything about it which was not possible by yourself?
@taicleis It was not possible by myself. Who just stops watching porn with no wife or girlfriend? No one, havent met a person who did. We all have a sexual nature. Sex is how the world keeps going. So I can't credit me not watching porn anymore to myself. When I found out it was a sin, I still did not want to stop because of the addiction to it. It took me months to actually get delivered from the addiction by trusting in Jesus Christ. Show me a man that does not have sexual feelings
I did, when I found out it was a sin. Stopped completely. Was guilty and afraid. Truth is, though, that it is not a 'sin'; there are no 'sins', and nothing is inherently wrong just by its own nature. Things are made 'wrong' by the harm they cause others and ourselves.
Christianity plays on your inner shame and guilt, telling you you've good reason to be ashamed unless you believe what they tell you.
You are not trusting Jesus - you are trusting those who tell you of Him.
@taicleis and does not watch porn and I would not believe you. Jesus Christ is real. No one who sins will make it into his kingdom. All must come to full repentance thru Christ. It is hard, I must admit, but I trust in Jesus Christ for eternal life and keep myself out of sin the best way I can. All must come to full repentance thru Jesus Christ. He is waiting. Without Jesus Christ and staying out of sin, there is no salvation.
@boywhoy88 That has nothing to do with whether you know something or simply believe it. By saying you "know" something, you are saying that the thing is correct, that you have evidence. You do not have evidence, you are not talking about facts, you are preaching from faith.
And isn't it convenient that you can sin all you like and then get Jesus to clean you up and make you acceptable to god again? Nice.
@TheMonk72 It does not work like sin all you like. All who do not come to full repentance in Jesus Christ by stopping sin by trusting in Jesus Christ will burn forever. No one can keep sinning when they are in Christ. There is a cut off point when God gets fed up with sin.Matthew 7:22. Today is the day for all to repent and trust in Jesus Christ or face the wrath of God. All must repent. I must repent of all sin and trust in Jesus Christ or burn forever. God does not play about sin. Seek Christ.
@boywhoy88 Your statements are at odds with what is known about religions based on the bible. Elsewhere you claim that you don't follow these, that you arrived at your faith directly with no intercession from any force other than god. So you are a religion of one with crackpot interpretations that make no apparent sense. Good for you kid, be a rebel. Just don't expect anyone else to buy you bullshit.
I take it "great, have a nice day" basically means "my position is indefensible and so I will just ignore your argument, as I am uncomfortable with evaluating my beliefs."
@taicleis Well , "great have a nice day means" your pride is getting in the way of you seeing the truth. I wish all could see the truth. The truth is that God is loving, but the love stops when a person dies if they do not repent. That is when the judgement comes, and everything a person does on earth, it will get repaid to them in hell. I truly wish you could see the truth. I really wish. God does not want anyone to burn forever but humans are prideful and disconnected from God.
Pride didn't teach me about the way the world works. I didn't derive an understanding of the world from 'pride'. Science does not allow for pride - any belief, no matter how cherished, is irrelevant in the face of facts.
You believe God makes people born His enemies. But even aside from that, look at everything you wrote. Notice how deep the assumptions are. You not only assume that God and Christ exist despite never seeing them - you have so much detail, all unproven.
@taicleis The proof comes when you humble yourself and seek God, thru Jesus Christ. I did not make you. He made you and he made all to live in peace and love one another. He is waiting.
@taicleis If you read revelation, it says people will burn forever. It also says those who take the mark of the beast will burn forever revelation 13:16,17 14:9,10,11 19:20. Hell is forever. God's wrath abides on all who do not repent.
Revelation IS THE FINAL BOOK OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. I just told you - written by the Greeks, hundreds of years AFTER even Jesus, and ADOPTED PAGAN GREEK MYTHOLOGIES.
It is talking about Hades, and adding in a Greek misinterpretation of Jewish scriptures about Gehenna - a garbage heap that was kept burning, where there were many worms and disease.
you know nothing about the religion you endlessly profess.
Don't think I don't know exactly what goes on in the head of a Christian defending their faith.
You don't even realize that you've mentally trapped yourself. You've convinced yourself that there is an omniscient God who can hear your thoughts - YOUR THOUGHTS - and is testing you.
So you are afraid to even think about what you're being told.
Very similar to a paranoid delusional who thinks a death ray is pointed at him from orbit and will fire if he thinks bad things.
I know; I was there. Everything I'm saying now, you see as a test while some deity watches.
This is not a test. This is the truth screaming in your face, while you shut your ears and recite a lie that was made up to control people 1800 years ago.
It's not to be held against you that you fell for it. Millions and millions have. It's a compelling lie.
But it is a lie, and there is proof. Maybe one day, when you think God's not watching, you'll actually look and see.
The Greeks who wrote the NT incorporated Pagan beliefs that were prevalent at the time - being born of a deity, making wine, being resurrected - all common myths in those days. Most Pagan deities had one or more of them.
They read and misinterpreted the Jewish scriptures about Gehenna, and also about Sheol. The Jews do not believe in Hell at all. It's not in there. Go ask one.
The Greeks believed in Hades already, so they kept it.
@taicleis And the difference from me and a scientologist or any religion for that matter is this, I seeked Jesus Christ, found out he is in fact the son of God, and continued to get to know them. That is the only difference. Im not special, I just took the opportunity that God offered of eternal life. And yes, if I was born in china I would have probably been a buddhist or athiest, in india a hindu, in iraq a muslim, etc. The difference between me and them is I did not give up on God thru Christ
Yes, the difference is that you sought Christ. The Scientologist sought Scientology. They believe as strongly as you do that they are the one who found the correct religion. They see you exactly the way you see them. Compare your certainty. Notice how sure you both are.
They are every bit as sure as you.
You are every bit as sure as them.
You are just like that person you see as wrong.
You are exactly the same, exactly as wrong, exactly as deluded.
@taicleis The difference between scientology and Christ is that Christ is real and scientoloy is a religion. Jesus Christ conquered sin to save the world, not start a religion. I have a video titled, "a christian is not special nor favorited by God". Only those who do the will of God thru Christ and stay out of sin will go to heaven. All others will burn forever for sin and disobedience
You ASSUME Christ is real. You ASSUME he wasn't out to start a religion. Just the Scientologist assumes LRH was a genuinely brilliant spiritual figure who freed the world from 'disconnection'. You are no different.
@taicleis all religions have a chance to repent thru Christ. And yes if I was born into any of these religious families I would have been an enemy to God. Most humans when they are born they are enemys of God. That does not mean they are going to hell. Kids don't go to hell. When a person reaches a certain age, then they go to hell. So yes, all I did was take the free gift of salvation and im still enduring today. If I give up, I burn forever. No one is righteous in God's eyes.
Hell wasn't even IN the Bible until long after Jesus, when the Greeks developed Christianity based on their pagan gods and decided to keep Hades - in many translations, it still reads Hades.
I know much more about Christianity than you do, you know.
You've been suckered. You were told you had two choices - take the gift or burn forever. Neither of those choices is a real thing. Nowhere does the original scripture say you will burn. Only the PAGAN Greek additions.
@taicleis Only those who obey God thru Jesus Christ and stay out of sin are righteous in God's eyes. Those are the only ones that will get the reward of heaven. Today is the day if you want righteousness and a change of mind, God will grant that thru Jesus Christ. He is waiting.
@MrTimJr I don't know a priest. God in his mercy gave me a dream and showed me what is coming. Someone was probably praying for me. So after this dream I started seeking Jesus Christ and wanted to get out of sin. Jesus Christ then started delivering me from desires and giving me a new mind of peace. He is real and he is waiting. Without him, there is no salvation.
@boywhoy88 You have been completely misled my friend. The bible was written by cattle-worshipping primitives who thought the world was flat. According to the bible the Universe was created 6000 years ago when god put Adam and Even on the Earth. In reality, the Universe is 13.7 billion years old.
We know this now using many dating methods. Don't you see? The bible was written and re-written by humans. Open your eyes. Reality really isn't all that bad.
@MrTimJr LOL. "cattle worshipping primitives". Oh man! That was a great one. Sorry that you will not see that light. I have some videos that will show you a few things about Jesus Christ. I hope you find eternal life thru him.
@boywhoy88 Unfortunately, you will not either. Just because you believe in God doesn't mean you need to be an asshole to those of us who don't. Didn't the Bible say you're not supposed to judge others? Didn't the Bible say to preach only love? Didn't Jesus say to love your enemy? You are not a Christian, sir. You are a part of a religion posing as Christianity. It doesn't take an Atheist to see that.
@boywhoy88 You're so blinded by your faith that there could be 100%, absolute proof that god doesn't exist and you still wouldn't accept it. It makes you feel better believing that he exists.
There are muslims who feel as strongly as you do that they are right. The same goes for Bahais, and Hindus, and Jews, etc...etc...
If you all believe that you are right, which one is? A narcissist will quickly respond "I am" and point to various reasons why. I'm assuming that's you.
@MrTimJr I know he exists. He changed me, showed me dreams and visions, and led me to righteousness thru Jesus Christ. I have all the proof I need. Now, God wants you to get the proof you need by humbling yourself and seeking Jesus Christ for remission of sins and a new heart.
People have dreams and visions all the time. They aren't proof of anything at all, and accepting them as proof demonstrates that you're biased.
You really need to wake up. You are lying to yourself, and you won't even consider it because you've been told that there is an omniscient being WATCHING YOUR VERY THOUGHTS. Don't you see how you're being manipulated psychologically by lies? Don't you see that you could just as easily be saying "Allah" instead? It's brainwashing.
@boywhoy88 God doesn't need you to tell me what he wants. He can tell me Himself. You are a fellow human being so you have value and should be respected, but you cannot claim to speak for God, regardless of what experiences you've had.
@Vincentaneous Well, we as humans have to ask God for salvation thru Jesus Christ. If you seek Jesus Christ with all your heart and humble yourself, God will reveal himself. Have a nice day.
@MrTimJr are you trying to say that there are no spirits, there is no soul and there is no god? are you trying to say pedos & beasties are fine and gays is normal? wait are you trying to say that because the universe is that many years old because humans decided it was so, that means god could not have created the universe because you know how old god is. and that when some religions start counting from when their religion started, that is when the world was created? how old are humans?
@MrTim how long in heaven? humans are imperfect. how to live righteously & to survive is not something you need religion to tell you do you? that your intelligence & conception is superior to any other living being on earth & cross breathing animals, humans and plants is definately destructive to life on earth, is that something you or your current science question? I think not. Even the existence of spirit energy is not questioned by science. Only ignorant people question what is fact.
@smokesignal216 You're making tired points that have been explained over and over again but you're too deaf to hear them. No, we don't need religion for morality. In fact, many would argue that religion breeds immorality (read Sam Harris). Afterall, the bible is full of murder, rape and slavery. It's disgusting and primitive, like the humans who wrote it.
Everything else you asked can be explained by evolution, but you're too naive to research it.
Look, not all Christians are that stupid. I'm a Christian Jew. I have friends that are Atheist and I don't make fun of them or hate them for it. I also stand up for them when they're being harassed by "Christians". and those "Christians" are not Christians, they're assholes because Jesus taught us to love people, not cast them aside because they're different.
DEVOSpudess101 3 days ago
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You're a what!?! How is that even possible?
SuperCruz88 2 days ago
I think atheists just need our own country
MrLovejoy91 4 days ago
More atheists should help out us southern atheists... we are outgunned... WHERE ARE YOU GUYS??
outlaw87100 6 days ago
@outlaw87100 up here freezing our asses of lol.
ElijahMFearon 1 day ago
@KingOystar Isn't that discriminating against those who chant or sounds during their prayer?
MrKGatl 6 days ago
I think they should sue the school for discrimination!
(and this is coming from a guy who belives in G-d)
KingOystar 1 week ago
I do not think a school should have a destinctive prayer that belongs to a religion. but I do think it is ok to have a moment of silence. Then that way no religion is pushed on people. it is a public school
KingOystar 1 week ago
I use to go to bible class twice a week and the more I read the more I think its a nice book that belongs in the fiction section of the library. What king of god does these things. kills two kids for making fun at a bald man 2 kings 2.23 kills a man for picking up sticks on the sabbath num 15.32.36 allowed satin to kill seven sons and three daughters of job for a bet. There have been more people kill in the name of religion than for any other reason.
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@mrtimjr I explained very well but you are semi-retarded as most atheists & satanists are. I explained that spirituality & belief in God is something you have to achieve yourself. I explained that atheists are mostly Satanists pretending to be atheists. I explained how atheists criticizing believers is wrong & violates their religious freedom. I explained many things, but you can't even put all the information together & think straight. Your mind is not working straight as all who follow false.
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smokesignal216 1 week ago
Wow, this makes me feel lucky where I live; I told my friends I was an Atheist and they really didn't care. I hope the girl finds a good school instead that horrible one.
edpeterson1 1 week ago
Ignorant christians calling her names and telling her to leave this country? Shocking! *sarcasm*
I hope this family was doing well, since this taping in '07.
Slowly but surely "christian" and ignorance/intolerance are becoming closely associated.
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I feel so sorry for the athiests, so all the christians reading this comment should bow their heads and pray for them
brandiprim 1 week ago
I pray for the atheists
brandiprim 1 week ago
Christians, I know you guys think god hates gays and atheists...
But would you do me a favor?
Next time you see god, please tell him I think that that is a fair stance, and will accept his opinion of "those heathens" the moment he gets his butt down here and ends war, homelessness and starvation, and disease.
Considering he made the world in 7 days, I don't think I'm asking too much!
SmashtheCmachine 1 week ago
I sympathese with this girl, and no doubt she is attacked daily for her stand. I guess the thing that worries me is she said "I was born Atheist." I don't think a child should be born atheist, or because her parents are atheist. Someone should be atheist only when they have looked at the evidence and can decided for themselves. I'm a Atheist but I think this shows you can be atheist for prehaps the wrong reason.
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I feel that girls pain. I am not an outspoken atheist, simply just an atheist. I lost a lot of friends just because one day when asked about my faith I responded, "I am an atheist."
rmj15mu 1 week ago
I'm Christian. Honestly as "immoral" and "hurtful" we may seem there are some very good people in the church. There are a few Christians that go out of control but other then that Christians are no different then other people.
Misssinginggal97 1 week ago
im an atheist and i feel really different since all my family is religious
TheMinerCrafter 1 week ago
I'm an Atheist and I have little problem with people of other faith. What bothers me is when religious people, particularly Christians, use their faith to discriminate others and justify hate.
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@luciferous66 cont. ... don't give me the crap about the people in the bible were actual eye witnesses, you will sound like more of an idiot than you just might think.
They were NOT eye witnesses, the bible is nothing more than a book of stolen myths from religions of the surrounding areas.
The N.T. was written to make it appear that the prophesies of the O.T. were fulfilled, it is a lie.
The N.T. was written in Rome somewhere around the 3rd or 4th Cent. to control the masses.
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I hear hristians bitching all the time that they are being 'picked on', well its about time!
Christians have had free reign to talk about their lies, and myths, for way too long. They are on multiple T.V.stations, they leave tracts all over the place, they knock on people's doors....it just doesn't stop!
Now that they are getting a taste of their own medicine, the christians are all upset...well Boo-Hoo!
Atheists, it is time to give the christians back what they have been dishing out!
luciferous66 1 week ago
Christians are the most immoral, arrogant, evil people that have ever existed since the beginning of recorded history....and I mean that!
luciferous66 1 week ago
@luciferous66 so says you. you have no proof
at all on what your'e saying. you wasn't even there
in the begining so what do you know about christians
about times past?? we taking an opinion from a guy name
lucifer????
TheStrawbeery 1 week ago
You will notice that the young lady isn't sad or depressed because of her lack of belief in god, but by the bullying, ostracizing, and bigoted behavior of her fellow students, and townspeople. While there are happy, and pleasant things done in the name of religion, religion is a powerful weapon that justifies pedophilia, murder, genocide, and closed mindedness. Religion is based on unreliable scriptural "evidence", and one of it's most sacred ideals: faith. Which is to say, nothing at all.
Pattyforfreedom 1 week ago
I love seeing more atheists come out...it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks, they dont matter
ItsSandyCheeks 2 weeks ago
Dumb religulous americans... GOOD CHRISTAINS... LOL!!! I hope that Nicole will get thru this shit.
koike28 2 weeks ago 9
As a Christian I apologize for all Christians for so mis re-presenting Christ to the point we all look like fools. We have done nothing but talk and talk is cheap, and we' haven't even done a good job at that.
steveo1274 2 weeks ago
@steveo1274 You're exactly the type of Christian who I respect fully :) It's great to know that not all Christians are Bill O'Reillys in progress.
glassoniongirl64 2 weeks ago
Wow, her dad's cool XD
glassoniongirl64 2 weeks ago
@glassoniongirl64 no her dad is dumb he can't even prove
his own beliefs. he making assertions he can't even prove
TheStrawbeery 2 weeks ago
@TheStrawbeery Sounds exactly the same as a religious person.
glassoniongirl64 2 weeks ago
@glassoniongirl64 no that's just the facts
TheStrawbeery 2 weeks ago
@TheStrawbeery Making assertions he can't prove?? Sounds like religion in a nutshell. If you can supply me with sufficient evidence that God exists, then I'd be happy to concede and join whichever religion sounds more plausible. So please prove your beliefs - I'd love to know what you think.
glassoniongirl64 2 weeks ago
@glassoniongirl64 well not true if your'e familar with world history you would know that the bible predicted world history before world
history began.
the babylonian empre daniel chapter2:31
the med-persian empire
the greek empire.
predicted in 587bc fullfilled 539-313bc
if you read the book of daniel it will tell
god gave daniel prophetic prophecy
TheStrawbeery 2 weeks ago
@TheStrawbeery If you are a religious person you should not judge atheist because "the God will judge" stop doing gods job. And give me a single proved fact about gods existence please, and then say that the atheist have no prove.
makaronas202 2 weeks ago
@makaronas202 god gave christians job to judge haven't you read the bible
1 corinthians chapter6:2 don't you know that the saints shall judge the world?
well the true fact is the impossbility to the contrary. first in the begining god
that right there repudiates atheism the fact that a archaelogical evidence that
there is a god. the fact that man was created in his image.
now for the solid proof.
had you ever hear of dr flinder petrie?
when dug of deeds written in stone
TheStrawbeery 2 weeks ago
@TheStrawbeery i read the bible many times i was a very religious person but when i started to read the bible with a analytical and critical mind i saw all the horros in it. yet another contradiction - can we juge or no: (Matthew 7:1-5), (Romans 14:1-13) , these and many more verses telling humans not to juge.
makaronas202 2 weeks ago
@TheStrawbeery Bible is lacks in morals and ethics so it is hard for me to believe it is a gods word, is god realy that horrible? i have looked in to the prove of god existence that you provided and many others but i came to the conclusion that the only prove might be the feeling that you get when you are religious, the feeling of faith, but i don't have it any more. All the archaelogical evidence only have theories, there are no facts.
makaronas202 2 weeks ago
@makaronas202 sooo the bible lacks in moral hah
so the are the 10 commandments are not moral??
lets gets some clarity here. god is not horrible your'e
not getting it. dying for you is that horrible? getting
redicule and spit on someone that endure all that for you
is horrible?? all you can get your'e faith back god
promise he will reveal more things to us if we diligently
seek him. sorry to tell you but the archaelogical are facts not just theories. it's back up by the bibe
TheStrawbeery 2 weeks ago
@makaronas202 and remember were talking about truth
truth is absolute and if the archaelogical evidence is back
up by the bible how can it be theories. the bible even predicted
world history before wold history even began. now how is that possible
if god didn't reveal his power to the prophets
TheStrawbeery 2 weeks ago
@TheStrawbeery what world history did the bible predict i find the bible very interesting so if you can educate me please? I think the problem with bible is that it is interpreted in so many ways, people chose what they want to believe in, they block out the horrors of the bible. If the bible is a gods word it should be perfect, because according to the bible he is perfect. If the god exists he is a god of chaos.
makaronas202 2 weeks ago
@makaronas202 ok here it is
political events.
the babylonian empire bible refrence daniel 2:31
the med-persian empire
greek empire
year prophesied 587bc fullfilled 539-313bc
if you look up it up you will see
tha world history support this although you have to
study up on jewish dates and calendar.
and god is not the god of chaos he's the god of order
TheStrawbeery 2 weeks ago
@TheStrawbeery Well i see no evidence in non of these points that you have made. First of all i do not believe in the bible being a gods word so anything from that book is irrelevant to me. When i started studying science in depth thats when i realised religion is only based on faith and not on reasonable logic. I don't want to come across as rude in any way and i truly respect your beliefs. I wish i could be religious but i can't.
makaronas202 2 weeks ago
@makaronas202 well if you don't want to see the evidence
it's not because you don't see the evidence. you don't want to
and that's fine. truth is going to be truth whether you belive it or not
but your'e foundation is faulty i can tell you that. ok then
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@TheStrawbeery
If you don't want to recognize that your faith isn't evidence, your foundation is faulty.
odinata 2 weeks ago
@makaronas202 just the bible recorded in genesis chapter 14
which a athiest german scholar julius wellhausen attack
the bible he called it a hoax and dr flinder petrie proved him
wrong so in short. the prophesies that's in the bible that god
gave the prophets are true infacts prophecies in the bible
was predicted 100 even thounsands of years before it happened
how can they have known this if they if god didn't give power.
how jesus was seen by 532 people in
13 different locations
TheStrawbeery 2 weeks ago
@makaronas202 people saw jesus after the ressurection
532 people in 13 different locations
TheStrawbeery 2 weeks ago
@TheStrawbeery In a world before photography, how do you expect 532 people in 13 different locations to accurately recognise Jesus exactly? People obviously just either lied about it, or they saw various people who looked like their basic understanding of what Jesus looked like, and made their own assumptions. It's a basic matter of scotoma - the mind sees what it chooses to see.
glassoniongirl64 2 weeks ago
@glassoniongirl64 lol you why i'm laughing at you because your position
fails. here is the reason on a murder trial when wittnesses is brung forth
to testify the put people away for less wittness. sorry but the 532 in 13
different locations was in jeruselum. so people knew jesus.
and you say people are lying can you prove it?
and here is the shocker. even the people that
hated jesus admit that they saw him after
the ressurection. so i guess we shouldnt
trust our eyes???
TheStrawbeery 2 weeks ago
@TheStrawbeery The funny thing is, you can't prove a word you just said. All the "witness" accounts of Jesus are anecdotes from the books left out of the NT, and I can gaurentee you most of them claimed to see Jesus hundreds of years after his supposed rising. You are relying on "Hearsay" evidence. Nothing more. I wouldn't trust gullible ignorant barbaric stone age witnessess even if I had half the intellegence you had.
logar1313 1 week ago
@logar1313 i don't have to prove it the proof is in the pudding.
if you're saying all 532 in 13 different are lying then it's something
wrong with you not them. furthermore the bible prove itself NT
version please that's not a good version of the new
testament.. plus your'e relying on your'e idle opinions
can you prove these 532 people are lying???.
your'e argument fails right there.
the fact you left out is the people
hated jesus saw him too.
TheStrawbeery 1 week ago
@TheStrawbeery Last summer I went to the lake and wanted to get to the other side, so I walked on the water over to the other side.
100 people were there, they saw me walk on the water, and when I got to the other side of the lake, 500 people that were in the graves dead rose up out of their graves and walked around town praising.
Prove that didn't happen!
See how foolish?
luciferous66 1 week ago
@luciferous66 again you have nothing backing you up
nothing at all. and sinners don't walk on water lol boy
your'e logic is failing awefully bad.
is easy to disprove you. the bible prove you are liar
and you asking me to prove something
that you didn't do????
TheStrawbeery 1 week ago
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Einstein.
kingofswing3000 2 weeks ago
I don't tell anyone I'm an atheist unless I know the person I'm speaking to is a fellow free-thinker or atheist. You can never tell how zealous people are with their beliefs and I am earnestly scared being around those of faith, irrationality and emotion dominates the majority of their thoughts. I think the best thing to do is to prod at the thoughts they have, and spread seeds for possible future free-thought and morality.
Saying "I'm an Atheist" seems to be the equivalent of "I fuck satan".
StOnion 2 weeks ago
That Santa quote was PERFECT.
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ccordell1111 3 weeks ago
i am a christian & its perfectly correct to say they have NO right to treat that girl so badly.
1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect
Gupitor 3 weeks ago
WELCOME TO ANOTHER UGLY TRUTH IN RACIST CONTROLLING AMERICA. NOW THIS COMMENT IS FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO ARE LIKE ME. YOU SEE THIS YOUNG LADY WHO COULD PASS FOR WHITE OR SOMETHING ELSE, SHE NOT PURELY OF ANGLO STOCK SO YOU KNOW SHES GOING TO CATCH HELL, BECAUSE THE INFERENCE HERE IS "WE EXCEPTED YOU" INTO OUR SOCIETY/COMMUNITY AS WHITE BUT YOU WONT EMBRACE "OUR" COLONIAL SUB-CULTURE. LOL NOW, TO BLACKS WHO CELEBRATE THIS MADNESS IN MASS NUMBERS HERES ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF YOUR CHRISTIAN FAITH.
davisismail1comcast 3 weeks ago
When I was in the 8th grade one of my classmates asked me what I did for lent. I told him I was an atheist, which lead to me having to explain the word secular. When I was finished he pointed at me and shouted: This kid doesn’t believe in god! The entire class erupted and I was hazed by a small handful of kids for the rest of the year.
Nicole’s father is spot on when he uses the word “gang.”
bla87 3 weeks ago
It is simple really. God was invented by Super God. Who was invented by Super Duper God.
catguy00 3 weeks ago
@catguy00 lol i think tears are coming to my eyes laughing so hard. seriously lmao
Quierame407 3 weeks ago
@catguy00 Best thing I've read this week - my sides are literally splitting!! :')
glassoniongirl64 2 weeks ago
Brave girl and dad, well done to them.
gateshead1000 3 weeks ago 7
Kill yo self!
sl0wloudnbangin 3 weeks ago
This shows how evil Christians are.
Aryacalanatha 3 weeks ago
@Aryacalanatha No, it shows how evil religion is. While they did discus Christianity, such prejudice is everywhere in the world.
And I'll be honest, I sort of expect that of the highschoolers. Kids can be crule and think nothing of it. However I expected more from the teachers, who should act like adults.
This is a reason why the founding fathers wanted a seperation from church and state.
LeagueOfMorons 3 weeks ago
91% of the country are ignoramuses.
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HowManyBelieve 3 weeks ago
God cannot be proven nor disproved because "He" is extra-dimensional. Basically, it's the story of Flat Land: the inability for a 2-D object to fully explain a 3-D one. Yet, the IDEA of "God" can be proven for the mere fact that something must always come from something else. But atheists deny this in their belief and act in faith when they propose that something (us) came from nothing. "Then prove God exists." they say. He's extra-dimensional to me therefore I can't. And that hypothesis works.
kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@kingofswing3000 You are a typical theist putting words into others mouths. Atheists do not believe everything came from nothing. However, we do not believe in putting an answer in "some invisible man in the sky" for which there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. We look for REAL answers, not some made up scapegoat to help explain everything with "magic." It seems bullheaded to me to believe that with all the other billions of galaxies in the universe we are the main focus. How arrogant.
theknowbeing 3 weeks ago
@theknowbeing At 2:16 the dad basically asks "Prove God."The words I put in his mouth are:that is impossible for a limited dimensional being to do.We exist under limited governing laws.My hypothesis is that while "God" can't be proven,the idea/possibility of God can.For while we exist in (for sake of argument) 4-D this Being exists in one outside of that."Magic" comes from the view that asks for verifiable science yet can't explain what created the 1st quark and what created it before that etc.
kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@theknowbeing Proposing an extra-inter-dimensional Being hypothesis that theorizes on the ability to create Itself even if I can't is not "some invisible man in the sky." (Now, Who exactly that Being is is another matter.)But a beginning needs a Beginner that exists outside of our dimensions otherwise you have nature begetting nature begetting nature. And that seems a little bit more arrogant because it's asserting that limited dimensions can do what limited dimensions can't/never have/don't.
kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@kingofswing3000 Everything youre saying is built upon the speculation that there IS some being out there that created everything. Thats what creationists tend to do. They come up with an answer and THEN look for evidence to support it. This is not scientific, nor is it a good way to do ANYTHING. There is absolutely no evidence to support any kind of deity. So why are you still convinced there is? Brainwashing. Religion is good about that. Grow up and quit believing fairy tales.
theknowbeing 3 weeks ago
@theknowbeing My "speculation" is that in the verifiable science that atheists assert to need - they lack it.They say that nature is and has been.However,nothing in the known universe begets something without something else playing a factor. If X-Ds and laws are what that belief is based on,and assuming that those laws are fairly consistent,than please tell me: what created the first quark/lepton/atom/whatever? I'm not trying to "prove" God. I'm theorizing that X-Ds is possible with Y-D.
kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@theknowbeing Scientifically,show me that the limited dimensions/laws that exist have the ability and history to create themselves.Show me one example of something in nature that appeared without the assistance of something else.Even the spontaneous neutrino, last time I checked,has a universe somewhere in the background helping out. My "speculation" is based solely on the atheistic position that science governs all (I agree) yet then asserting that nature created itself.Sounds like religion.
kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@kingofswing3000 We as of yet have not figured out exactly how it all happened. However, we've only had electricity a short time. Look at the advancements we have acheived in the past hundred years. Human evolution, maybe? I am a firmly convinced that soon we will know the REAL truth instead of putting faith, based on no evidence whatsoever, on an intangible creator. Thats just the easy way out, which is completely detrimental to any thinking species.
theknowbeing 3 weeks ago
@theknowbeing I agree.We don't know exactly.So what will that "truth" be?Again,the atheistic platform is:show me God.I can't.Limited X can't prove extra-Y.But I can propose that just because a 2-D line doesn't know how a 3-D ball operates doesn't deny the existence of the ball.I exist in 4."God" in 5. That is a theory (albeit quaint) that is verifiable. Like I said, based on what you know about science and how nature works: what tipped the domino? What created the 1st quark? And before that?
kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@kingofswing3000 Like I said: we dont know YET. We're still figuring out our own world, finding new unexplored areas and new species every day. If it were up to the roman catholic church we would never have gotten as far as we have now. That is my beef with religion. It breeds close-mindedness, intolerance, and control over fellow humans. It is an evil thing that turns man against man in the name of an imaginary being. If there were a creator of some sort, I can guarantee it would not be these.
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kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@kingofswing3000 Then where did god come from? A very flawed theory my friend.
You can't just say: "well, we're here and we must have come from something so let's worship god and bash gays and abortion". You have NO idea if god exists or not, and yet religion shapes our society as though he were real.
If you believe that something can't come from nothing, and therefore god exists, then where did god come from? Stop guessing and humble yourself. Arrogant theists.
MrTimJr 3 weeks ago
@MrTimJr You should actually read what I wrote. Really. To simplify: We exist in limited dimensions and governing laws. God exists outside of that. For sake of argument, 5-dimensions can do what 4 can't. Now, my theory is quaint but suffices because it would explain "what created God". Now, please explain to me how nature with limited dimensions/governing laws can break said laws and dimensions and do something that can't be verified in nature: create itself. Seriously. I actually want to know.
kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@kingofswing3000 your theory is quaint indeed! For once you can not use science to explain religions. For a real Scientific study you first need to observe a certain phenomenon then you study it, draw out a conclusion then retest repeatedly. The Fact is that no body has seen "God" before so to prove his/her/it existance is already an imposible task, left alone where is he from or what can he do. My question is: Do we care enough to prove his existance?
keirenle 3 weeks ago
@keirenle Nah. Everything you are asking I have already stated again and again. Whether it be about "proving God" or verifiable science as it pertains to theist and atheistic belief platforms.
kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@keirenle (Although I did send you a bit of a summary to your in-box.)
kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@MrTimJr I can't get any more humble than to say that I am very limited in the realm and dimensions I exist and the intellect I hold.I am X dimensions.And those X exist in a place that needs Y;X cannot make itself.Now,since stones have been thrown ("arrogant") I'm just gonna say that in the face of common sense (nothing in nature creates itself without outside assistance) Atheists are a religion unto themselves. Athe-ism is just like any other -ism that disavows science as much as the rest.
kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@kingofswing3000 God has done nothing for me so why should i worship him/her/it? Even He/she/it really love me and give his life for me, so what he should not expect my love and devotion in return. I would graciously decline his offer and request a restrain order if he persist. Too easy.
keirenle 3 weeks ago
@keirenle At this point, I haven't talked about worshiping any one Deity. This has been a discussion on the science (or lack of in some cases) in Proving/Disproving God.
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kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@MrTimJr (Also, atheists "bash" gays and abortion, too. In fact, atheists enact alot of fallible human traits because, well... they're human.)
kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
@kingofswing3000 No it doesn't, because where did god then come from? And where did the extra dimension come from?
Richard Dawkins explains why the god "theory" doesn't make sense in "The God Delusion". The Universe is so amazingly complex that it would take an infinitely more complex being to create it, and an even more infinitely complex being to create THAT being. It's a good read.
MrTimJr 3 weeks ago
@kingofswing3000 no the hypothesis does not work. It is to say i see the unicorn but he lives in the 3rd dimension and so therefore you can not see it but it exists . Well, the conclusion is : no it doesn't, injecting some pseudo scientific terms does not help to prove anything. Until we can verified the claim it will remain a mystical creator just like Gods. The hypothesis is only worked if it is a bridge from 2 well established facts.
keirenle 2 weeks ago
@keirenle That's fine. Keep on believing that a non-infinite universe governed by limited dimensions and laws has the ability to create itself. And don't worry about having to prove how something came from nothing. It's an inspiration to me: that level of faith, I mean. In the meantime, I'm going to believe in extra-dimensional unicorns.
kingofswing3000 2 weeks ago
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kingofswing3000 3 weeks ago
To be honest, I think faith should be left as a personal matter. While it is a known fact that many atrocities have been done in the name of a god (e.g., the Spanish Inquisition and the Sept. 11th attacks), I believe that for some people faith is necessary for them in order to have some hope in their lives. It shouldn't matter what faith a person follows or if that person follows a faith at all. I think they should just follow whatever belief with which they feel the most comfortable.
Fly2Dreams 3 weeks ago
Most atheists think that people 2000 years ago couldnt tell the difference between a living person and a dead person. Not that smart.
desasterz 4 weeks ago
@desasterz What people are you referring to? I'm an atheist and I'm confident that most sensible people could tell when someone was dead.
Vincentaneous 3 weeks ago
@Vincentaneous well five hundred eye witnesses two thousand years ago report that Jesus was alive, raised form the dead.
desasterz 3 weeks ago
@desasterz
We do not have eyewitness accounts at all. We have second-hand and third-hand reports of eyewitness accounts.
The 500 "witnesses" were all illiterate, fanatical and unnamed - if they existed at all. Once would have to take the apostles' word for it, and those accounts are sketchy, inconsistent, contradictory, and were written many years later.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@taicleis Matthew and John were eye witnesses. Mark it sais in Peters book was traveling with him (and Paul). He wrote from listening to Peter talk. Luke is a doctor goin around interviewing eye witnesses. Some of them in 1Corrinthians 15 are named, the 500 are "still alive today though some have fallen asleep." it was a whole church he was wrighting that to, not to mention that it was going to be distributed as Bible for all the other churches in time for pastor Peter to talk about them too.
desasterz 3 weeks ago
@desasterz LOL. Name one! What exactly did they see and where and when? This is the flimsiest and most ridiculous form of hearsay. The only first-person account of someone witnessing a resurrected Jesus is from Paul himself. ONE PERSON. Two thousand years ago. There are hundreds of people who in the last few decades have witnessed the resurrection of holy men in India. Why don't you believe them and become a Hindu? The evidence is much better.
Vincentaneous 3 weeks ago
@desasterz
Most Christians think that the testimony of a few fanatical women is reliable evidence that a 'dead person' became a 'living person'. Not that smart.
What we DO have evidence for is that 2000 years ago, a radical Jewish rabbi started a Jewish restoration movement against the Romans, was executed, and his followers made up details later about his life to 'fulfill' messianic prophecy. Looking at evidence. THAT'S smart.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@taicleis You dont have to be mart to be a Christian. But you can be and no matter how smart you are, you should accept what the Bible sais, it is intelectually consistant. It was not a few fanatical wemen. It was five hundred people Corrinthians says, "most of whom are still alive today though some have fallen aslep." It took a scientist called Luke to investigate everything from the very begining beffore the longes and most detailed account of Jjesus' life was writen. Thats good enough.
desasterz 3 weeks ago
Faith is a big part for most people. Yet, all individuals have the right to have or not have a religion, no one should be forced to pray or participate in religious activities. And I think, the constitution gives you that right, doesn't it?
neighbor1961 4 weeks ago
whether their is a God or isn't were all just people and we need to love each other no matter beliefs, skin color, sexual orientation, etc. just get along and be happy :)
starwarsfreakakar2d2 1 month ago
@starwarsfreakakar2d2 couldnt have said it better myself :) live life and just enjoy and be happy
MilkyCamps 4 weeks ago
it could be santa clause is comin to town....you wanna build a society that way, watch out. Awesomeness
AlmostAlwaysFabulous 1 month ago
she is beautiful, talented and honest..you go girl!..it takes guts to stand up to the deluded.
euroman32589 1 month ago
Good now your all alone no friends just you and your evil dad
God bless he will forgive you
svt283 1 month ago
Is it REALLY a big deal if someone is an Atheist? We're all flesh and blood, just different beliefs. Why is everyone so butthurt about someone denying religion? I'm perfectly happy being an Atheist. I respect those who believe in God. All I ask is that they respect my beliefs. Or at least pretend to.
GirtheAlienGoldfish 1 month ago
The dad hit the nail on the head when he called them a "religious gang".
DrawingYou 1 month ago
I am so lucky to be born into a situation where I can openly be an athiest.
DisturbingRainbow 1 month ago
Yup. Religion is consolation for the dying.
DYoshe 1 month ago
How many Atheists have started a war or crusade? Now, how many religions have started wars and crusades? You can be 20 years old and lived thru over two dozen wars started because of religious conflict.
FAULTatHANDS 1 month ago
The fact that the students called her "Devil Worshiper" shows how uneducated they are. Satanism is a religion, so if she was an Atheist, how could she WORSHIP Satan? They are so stupid and only make religion look worse
HikaruYamamura 1 month ago
Jesus Christ is real! He changed me and he can do the same for you. Time is short!
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88
You changed yourself.
People sometimes rob grocery stores using toy guns. The cashier can't tell that the gun is fake, and so - fearing the power of said 'gun' - hand over the money.
Just because you do something BELIEVING in a certain cause, does not make that cause true.
taicleis 1 month ago
@taicleis Well I know Jesus Christ is real. I know God speaks to people. God wants all to come to eternal life thru Jesus Christ. In my opinion and belief, Jesus Christ changed me by trusting in him. I can not credit the change to my own will. Jesus Christ is real. He died and rose, so all could have eternal life. He is waiting. Without Jesus Christ, there is no remission of sins.
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88
Come on. Use your head. How do you know all the things you just proclaimed to be true? You're assuming they are. You chose to believe in one thing, and then accepted every detail that someone ELSE tells you about that one thing.
"In my opinion and belief, Jesus Christ changed me by trusting in him."
And I just told you why that belief is wrong. Try to be honest with yourself. Look at the change you made. Is there anything about it which was not possible by yourself?
taicleis 1 month ago
@taicleis It was not possible by myself. Who just stops watching porn with no wife or girlfriend? No one, havent met a person who did. We all have a sexual nature. Sex is how the world keeps going. So I can't credit me not watching porn anymore to myself. When I found out it was a sin, I still did not want to stop because of the addiction to it. It took me months to actually get delivered from the addiction by trusting in Jesus Christ. Show me a man that does not have sexual feelings
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88
I did, when I found out it was a sin. Stopped completely. Was guilty and afraid. Truth is, though, that it is not a 'sin'; there are no 'sins', and nothing is inherently wrong just by its own nature. Things are made 'wrong' by the harm they cause others and ourselves.
Christianity plays on your inner shame and guilt, telling you you've good reason to be ashamed unless you believe what they tell you.
You are not trusting Jesus - you are trusting those who tell you of Him.
taicleis 1 month ago
@taicleis great, have a nice day.
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@taicleis and does not watch porn and I would not believe you. Jesus Christ is real. No one who sins will make it into his kingdom. All must come to full repentance thru Christ. It is hard, I must admit, but I trust in Jesus Christ for eternal life and keep myself out of sin the best way I can. All must come to full repentance thru Jesus Christ. He is waiting. Without Jesus Christ and staying out of sin, there is no salvation.
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88 No, you don't know. You believe, you have faith. That's not knowledge.
TheMonk72 1 month ago
@TheMonk72 Wisdom in God's eyes is trusting in Jesus Christ for remission of sins. Without doing this, there is no salvation.
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88 That has nothing to do with whether you know something or simply believe it. By saying you "know" something, you are saying that the thing is correct, that you have evidence. You do not have evidence, you are not talking about facts, you are preaching from faith.
And isn't it convenient that you can sin all you like and then get Jesus to clean you up and make you acceptable to god again? Nice.
TheMonk72 1 month ago
@TheMonk72 It does not work like sin all you like. All who do not come to full repentance in Jesus Christ by stopping sin by trusting in Jesus Christ will burn forever. No one can keep sinning when they are in Christ. There is a cut off point when God gets fed up with sin.Matthew 7:22. Today is the day for all to repent and trust in Jesus Christ or face the wrath of God. All must repent. I must repent of all sin and trust in Jesus Christ or burn forever. God does not play about sin. Seek Christ.
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88 Your statements are at odds with what is known about religions based on the bible. Elsewhere you claim that you don't follow these, that you arrived at your faith directly with no intercession from any force other than god. So you are a religion of one with crackpot interpretations that make no apparent sense. Good for you kid, be a rebel. Just don't expect anyone else to buy you bullshit.
TheMonk72 1 month ago
@TheMonk72 Great. Have a nice day
boywhoy88 4 weeks ago
@boywhoy88
I take it "great, have a nice day" basically means "my position is indefensible and so I will just ignore your argument, as I am uncomfortable with evaluating my beliefs."
What makes you different from a Scientologist?
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@taicleis Well , "great have a nice day means" your pride is getting in the way of you seeing the truth. I wish all could see the truth. The truth is that God is loving, but the love stops when a person dies if they do not repent. That is when the judgement comes, and everything a person does on earth, it will get repaid to them in hell. I truly wish you could see the truth. I really wish. God does not want anyone to burn forever but humans are prideful and disconnected from God.
boywhoy88 3 weeks ago
@boywhoy88
Pride didn't teach me about the way the world works. I didn't derive an understanding of the world from 'pride'. Science does not allow for pride - any belief, no matter how cherished, is irrelevant in the face of facts.
You believe God makes people born His enemies. But even aside from that, look at everything you wrote. Notice how deep the assumptions are. You not only assume that God and Christ exist despite never seeing them - you have so much detail, all unproven.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@taicleis The proof comes when you humble yourself and seek God, thru Jesus Christ. I did not make you. He made you and he made all to live in peace and love one another. He is waiting.
boywhoy88 3 weeks ago
@taicleis If you read revelation, it says people will burn forever. It also says those who take the mark of the beast will burn forever revelation 13:16,17 14:9,10,11 19:20. Hell is forever. God's wrath abides on all who do not repent.
boywhoy88 3 weeks ago
@boywhoy88
Revelation IS THE FINAL BOOK OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. I just told you - written by the Greeks, hundreds of years AFTER even Jesus, and ADOPTED PAGAN GREEK MYTHOLOGIES.
It is talking about Hades, and adding in a Greek misinterpretation of Jewish scriptures about Gehenna - a garbage heap that was kept burning, where there were many worms and disease.
you know nothing about the religion you endlessly profess.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@taicleis great, have a nice day
boywhoy88 3 weeks ago
@boywhoy88
Once again, you run and hide from facts.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@boywhoy88
Don't think I don't know exactly what goes on in the head of a Christian defending their faith.
You don't even realize that you've mentally trapped yourself. You've convinced yourself that there is an omniscient God who can hear your thoughts - YOUR THOUGHTS - and is testing you.
So you are afraid to even think about what you're being told.
Very similar to a paranoid delusional who thinks a death ray is pointed at him from orbit and will fire if he thinks bad things.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@boywhoy88
I know; I was there. Everything I'm saying now, you see as a test while some deity watches.
This is not a test. This is the truth screaming in your face, while you shut your ears and recite a lie that was made up to control people 1800 years ago.
It's not to be held against you that you fell for it. Millions and millions have. It's a compelling lie.
But it is a lie, and there is proof. Maybe one day, when you think God's not watching, you'll actually look and see.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@taicleis Great, believe what you want to believe. Have a nice day.
boywhoy88 3 weeks ago
@boywhoy88
I don't believe what I want to believe. I believe what the Universe demonstrates to me as being true.
YOU believe what you want to believe, even when the Universe shows you clearly that what you believe is wrong.
Keep running.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@boywhoy88
The Greeks who wrote the NT incorporated Pagan beliefs that were prevalent at the time - being born of a deity, making wine, being resurrected - all common myths in those days. Most Pagan deities had one or more of them.
They read and misinterpreted the Jewish scriptures about Gehenna, and also about Sheol. The Jews do not believe in Hell at all. It's not in there. Go ask one.
The Greeks believed in Hades already, so they kept it.
They also lied a lot about Jesus' life.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@taicleis And the difference from me and a scientologist or any religion for that matter is this, I seeked Jesus Christ, found out he is in fact the son of God, and continued to get to know them. That is the only difference. Im not special, I just took the opportunity that God offered of eternal life. And yes, if I was born in china I would have probably been a buddhist or athiest, in india a hindu, in iraq a muslim, etc. The difference between me and them is I did not give up on God thru Christ
boywhoy88 3 weeks ago
@boywhoy88
Yes, the difference is that you sought Christ. The Scientologist sought Scientology. They believe as strongly as you do that they are the one who found the correct religion. They see you exactly the way you see them. Compare your certainty. Notice how sure you both are.
They are every bit as sure as you.
You are every bit as sure as them.
You are just like that person you see as wrong.
You are exactly the same, exactly as wrong, exactly as deluded.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@taicleis The difference between scientology and Christ is that Christ is real and scientoloy is a religion. Jesus Christ conquered sin to save the world, not start a religion. I have a video titled, "a christian is not special nor favorited by God". Only those who do the will of God thru Christ and stay out of sin will go to heaven. All others will burn forever for sin and disobedience
boywhoy88 3 weeks ago
@boywhoy88
You ASSUME Christ is real. You ASSUME he wasn't out to start a religion. Just the Scientologist assumes LRH was a genuinely brilliant spiritual figure who freed the world from 'disconnection'. You are no different.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@taicleis all religions have a chance to repent thru Christ. And yes if I was born into any of these religious families I would have been an enemy to God. Most humans when they are born they are enemys of God. That does not mean they are going to hell. Kids don't go to hell. When a person reaches a certain age, then they go to hell. So yes, all I did was take the free gift of salvation and im still enduring today. If I give up, I burn forever. No one is righteous in God's eyes.
boywhoy88 3 weeks ago
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@boywhoy88
Hell wasn't even IN the Bible until long after Jesus, when the Greeks developed Christianity based on their pagan gods and decided to keep Hades - in many translations, it still reads Hades.
I know much more about Christianity than you do, you know.
You've been suckered. You were told you had two choices - take the gift or burn forever. Neither of those choices is a real thing. Nowhere does the original scripture say you will burn. Only the PAGAN Greek additions.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@taicleis Only those who obey God thru Jesus Christ and stay out of sin are righteous in God's eyes. Those are the only ones that will get the reward of heaven. Today is the day if you want righteousness and a change of mind, God will grant that thru Jesus Christ. He is waiting.
boywhoy88 3 weeks ago
@boywhoy88 Sounds like all the things your priest has been pounding into your head since day 1. It's become a mantra to you.
Sad.
MrTimJr 1 month ago
@MrTimJr I don't know a priest. God in his mercy gave me a dream and showed me what is coming. Someone was probably praying for me. So after this dream I started seeking Jesus Christ and wanted to get out of sin. Jesus Christ then started delivering me from desires and giving me a new mind of peace. He is real and he is waiting. Without him, there is no salvation.
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88 You have been completely misled my friend. The bible was written by cattle-worshipping primitives who thought the world was flat. According to the bible the Universe was created 6000 years ago when god put Adam and Even on the Earth. In reality, the Universe is 13.7 billion years old.
We know this now using many dating methods. Don't you see? The bible was written and re-written by humans. Open your eyes. Reality really isn't all that bad.
MrTimJr 1 month ago
@MrTimJr LOL. "cattle worshipping primitives". Oh man! That was a great one. Sorry that you will not see that light. I have some videos that will show you a few things about Jesus Christ. I hope you find eternal life thru him.
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88 Unfortunately, you will not either. Just because you believe in God doesn't mean you need to be an asshole to those of us who don't. Didn't the Bible say you're not supposed to judge others? Didn't the Bible say to preach only love? Didn't Jesus say to love your enemy? You are not a Christian, sir. You are a part of a religion posing as Christianity. It doesn't take an Atheist to see that.
GirtheAlienGoldfish 1 month ago
@GirtheAlienGoldfish Sorry. Have a nice life.
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88 You're so blinded by your faith that there could be 100%, absolute proof that god doesn't exist and you still wouldn't accept it. It makes you feel better believing that he exists.
There are muslims who feel as strongly as you do that they are right. The same goes for Bahais, and Hindus, and Jews, etc...etc...
If you all believe that you are right, which one is? A narcissist will quickly respond "I am" and point to various reasons why. I'm assuming that's you.
MrTimJr 1 month ago
@MrTimJr I know he exists. He changed me, showed me dreams and visions, and led me to righteousness thru Jesus Christ. I have all the proof I need. Now, God wants you to get the proof you need by humbling yourself and seeking Jesus Christ for remission of sins and a new heart.
boywhoy88 1 month ago
@boywhoy88
People have dreams and visions all the time. They aren't proof of anything at all, and accepting them as proof demonstrates that you're biased.
You really need to wake up. You are lying to yourself, and you won't even consider it because you've been told that there is an omniscient being WATCHING YOUR VERY THOUGHTS. Don't you see how you're being manipulated psychologically by lies? Don't you see that you could just as easily be saying "Allah" instead? It's brainwashing.
taicleis 3 weeks ago
@taicleis Great. Have a nice day
boywhoy88 3 weeks ago
@boywhoy88 God doesn't need you to tell me what he wants. He can tell me Himself. You are a fellow human being so you have value and should be respected, but you cannot claim to speak for God, regardless of what experiences you've had.
Vincentaneous 3 weeks ago
@Vincentaneous Well, we as humans have to ask God for salvation thru Jesus Christ. If you seek Jesus Christ with all your heart and humble yourself, God will reveal himself. Have a nice day.
boywhoy88 3 weeks ago
@MrTimJr are you trying to say that there are no spirits, there is no soul and there is no god? are you trying to say pedos & beasties are fine and gays is normal? wait are you trying to say that because the universe is that many years old because humans decided it was so, that means god could not have created the universe because you know how old god is. and that when some religions start counting from when their religion started, that is when the world was created? how old are humans?
smokesignal216 3 weeks ago
@MrTim how long in heaven? humans are imperfect. how to live righteously & to survive is not something you need religion to tell you do you? that your intelligence & conception is superior to any other living being on earth & cross breathing animals, humans and plants is definately destructive to life on earth, is that something you or your current science question? I think not. Even the existence of spirit energy is not questioned by science. Only ignorant people question what is fact.
smokesignal216 3 weeks ago
@smokesignal216 You're making tired points that have been explained over and over again but you're too deaf to hear them. No, we don't need religion for morality. In fact, many would argue that religion breeds immorality (read Sam Harris). Afterall, the bible is full of murder, rape and slavery. It's disgusting and primitive, like the humans who wrote it.
Everything else you asked can be explained by evolution, but you're too naive to research it.
MrTimJr 3 weeks ago
@MrTimJr I don't want to know