I can't stand these one-issue fools. they are so obsessed with their conspiracy theory that they're unwilling (probably unable) to see the whole picture. They jump at shadows and make enemies out of anyone who doesn't agree with them one-hundred percent. These people need to grow up.
By the "it's in the past," he meant it is not worth looking into because we have more pressing immediate concerns about human rights and U.S. military activity. Those are things we can affect if we use ALL of our energy as a movement now. Proving 9/11 was an inside job would not simply expend energy that the dissident community does not have, but it's practically impossible to do (refer to what I just said in the previous post).
Listen to Zinn. He's giving you a reasoned, rational response to a question that may never have an answer in any practical sense. Who is going to investigate it? What independent organization will ever be granted the access necessary to definitively prove that 9/11 was an inside job. Even if some international, independent committee existed, there would be no way that the United States, in all its hegemonic power, would ever allow such a committee to conduct a worthwhile investigation.
Ah Zinn, you're an intellectual fuckface enjoying celebrity. For thousands of people this is a very personal issue... if it had been personal for you, I think you'd behave very differently. Enjoy and keep the books rolling out..... NOT.
9/11 - No practical political significance? I don't believe what I'm hearing from this old man.
He's dead... the dead don't make money. You are an idiot. ... and by the way, books rolling out. Have you read a people's history? Or his last book The bomb? Are you really so ignorant to attack someone who fought for civil liberties in America as passionately as Zinn did?
Zinn is correct here. We don't need 9/11 to proof Bush is a war criminal! Zinn is a real historian and an activist, not some dumb-fuck asshole like Alex Jones.
I truly believe that the 9/11 Truth Movement is a conscious PR campaign to derail authentic political advocacy. It is a single issue being examined to pedantic detail for no useful purpose. Many intelligent people have devoted huge thought to this ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS NONSENSE. Why is it meaningless? Because whether bin Laden did it or another Islamist faction or George Bush, the result of it was the same: that authoritarian regimes used it to wage terror against people they call terrorists.
@DemilichFan Actually, it does have a purpose. It may or may not be conscious, but the Truth Movement is certainly derived from the propaganda of anti-politics. The real conspiracy may very well be that it has been implanted into social media in order to derail young activists from concentrating their energies on the real cause and effect of policy decisions. Not to mention the fact that the evidence is crap. The reason that this evidence is mounting is because it's easy to generate.
Wow, a lot of Chomsky and Zinn apologists here in the comments... Old dudes in their 80's see everything through their old dude filters. Building 7 people, come on..
All in all 9/11 was an act of conflict in the collective culture of the world and is leading to a greater Consciousness of freedom. it has significance in our history. But to Dwell in the past and not progress is detremental
Chomsky argues that the 9/11 truth movement is pushed by the government to prevent real questions being asked. In a similar way to how the JFK conspiracy was exploited by the Elite.
Most 9/11 truthers are dumb cunts who know nothing of politics. In the conspiracy circle they're generally regarded as annoying noobs. The MTV watchers of the conspiracy world.
You HAVE distorted what Zinn said, by way of reading into it what you wanted to hear. He was correct in his reply. There are bigger issues here, and that statment in no way minimizes what happened on 9/11. Stop speaking for the families of 9/11, as I- for one- agree with Zinn.
To this day, there is no solid answer as to who started the Reichstag Fire. Most historians agree that it probably was done by the Nazis, but who did it is irrelevant, as it was how the incident was used that is important to understanding it's significance - results were the same no matter who perpetrated the crime.
That is what Zinn is saying is his opinion here. War of aggression is the most serious war crime possible. To investigate Manson for littering would be equivalent.
It doesn't matter if the government designed 9/11, or even allowed it to happen. We already have a rich historical record of countless other war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated by the United States and other countries. Not to mention all the people starving and dying in civil war around the world. Why are people so obsessed with this one conspiracy when there are far more terrible things we can redress?
Obama should be impeached for not ending these terrorist wars of aggression----the Clintonites own his ass----the Clintonites are part of Wall St. and are pursuing a radical corporate globalist agenda----when was the left emasculated? Where are the days of Abbie Hoffmann? Why won't the left grow some nuts and confront this shit? Where are the cajones?
The planes crashing into the towers was destructive enough to give Bush and the neocons all the leverage they needed to push through the Patriot Act etc. etc. etc.
Iraq and Afghanistan were only phase 1 and phase 2 of Middle East bedlam----Iran is next on the empire's hit list---stop the war before it starts
demand Obama remove our troops from all corners of the globe we aren't welcome and concentrate on problems at home
namely poverty and the destruction of the middle class
Even if there were a "9/11 Independant Investigation" who would believe it?
One side would say it went too far.....the other side would say not far enough
we don't need 9/11 to confront the horrible truth that the U.S. is the global empire and carrying out massive atrocities and crimes throughout the world
zinn is right. its not the most pressing issue at the moment. look at all the people who have died in afghanistan and iraq. the number is going to go up if something isnt done to stop them. then, maybe it can be looked into.
then i am majorly suspect bcuz i see suffering as suffering and 9/11 truthers wasting their time, ignoring relevant problems. when americans heard about cointelpro years later, most never bat an eye. wouldnt it be great to talk about current issues? and if you dont like airport security, dont buy their product assface... @abuBakr97
SOMETHING WRONG HERE. The 'mainstream' need a shock to wake up to how dastardly 'the powers that be' (read; Israeli/America Judeo Christian axis) are. I don't expect a consciousness shift but there will be no going back and the ignorant will be marked for the sheep they are. 9/11 was a MAJOR catalyst and to play it down is MAJORLY SUSPECT.... Kinda reminds me of Naom Chomsky's silence. Anyone see a pattern ? They've both been warned off or outright threatened.......
@bankyandbrodie Was it 'SO LAST YEAR' that you were abused in an airport........ tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people whom perished as a result of this ZIONIST move. Or the 'lucky' one's who are at least alive but are still living in hideous refugee camps possibly with a mother with zero chances of re marrying. INDIFFERENCE... COMPASSION FATIGUE.... YOU SIR ARE THE PROBLEM YOU RETARD
It's STILL a huge issue, this 9/11 thing but Mr. Zinn is 100% right. Truth is, no one will ever know. We will still assume it happened this way or that way but not really KNOW what happened. I believe it's another distraction that is created like many things and people who are screaming 'NWO NWO NWO'. Alex jones can actually suck my balls with his socalled 'documents'. I really really don't give a shit anymore.
I'm disappointed in Zinn here how can the biggest act of terrorism committed by people within our own government that was used to drag us into 2 wars not be important? It is clear to anyone with a brain that those buildings were destroyed in controlled demolitions
9/11 "truthers", what is wrong with you? You're a group of paranoid chihuahuas barking at everything that moves, no matter whats moving in the dark room of your ignorant cognition! Howard Zinn is somebody to SUPPORT, not bash and criticize. Not that that's what you did, that would be giving you credit, you just made yourself look like a damn fool. Ever read a people's history of the united states? He's on your side dumbass! Wake up! You are burning the few bridges you should be trying to build!
@michaelc 'nuff said. That's what Zinn's saying. He's like David after the death of his son. There's little we can do about this now, why continue to lend it creedence. What we can do is change the future... God Bless and Thank You, Zinn!
Yes, it's in the past and we will most likely NEVER know! So you truthers get your heads out of your asses and focus on shit we can actually affect instead of believing uncertain theories.
@dankrug What? Are you a holocaust denier? I suggested you watch the video that was presented at the Nuremburg Trials and then come back and deny it happened.
Like picking on a guy like Zinn is useful. I guy who did more in just a single day of his life to expose bullshit than those guys will ever do in their lifetimes. So lame. And what did that questioner "suffer" for that lie?
An unfortunate case of Zinns words being taken out of context by the truth commission guy. What Zinn is trying to say and he isn't eloquant about it, is while there is an extremely small chance that 9-11 may have been an inside job. There is very limited evidence for such theories. When Zinn says he doesnt care he means the theories are weak and not worth concentrating on. Zinn also recognises that while people are into weak conspiricies they aren't putting effort into meaningful resistance.
Ohh no lets Agree that Oswald Shot Kennedy cuz its in the past! Nevermind 9/11 cuz we have sufficient reasons to impeach for their actions afterwards! Let's all go at city hall and get involved everybody!! If thats all that Zinn and chomsky have to tell me after "Manufacturing consent" , I dunno who the hell pays to go see these guys! How the hell can you be refered to as an intellectual and think that a coup d'état being passed off for blowback is not important enough to investigate??
Howard was exactly right. Howard calls the 911truthers movement a diversion, because the establishment is moving. It is still disrupting the global economic system so we depend on them more. They are still killing in the name of freedom and liberty and blah blah and oil. What he's saying is we need to focus on current issues because of the crimes committed in the past, and prevent the same thing from happening in the future.
I don't think that the folks who posted this video are truly listening to what Dr. Zinn said. The message is really truly not that difficult to grasp: while sure, from a historical perspective it would help shed a tremendous amount of light on a fairly important event in recent history, of more pressing need is to stop two concurrent wars waged as a result.
@abinary I'm not even sure they want to accept what Zinn really said. Issues such as this tend to show the significant difference between real dissidence, and conspiracy theorists. Not to say the government did or didn't have a part in 9-11, but whether it did or did not makes little difference at this point. The evidence of the Bush Administration's immoral action is already ample, actually doing something about it is what matters now.
Zinn is right; we don't need to know that our gov helped perpetrate 911. The whole 911 truth movement is probably just a way to divide activists. Long time activists like Zinn and Chomsky are well aware of such tricks. These tricks are well documented in Cointelpro.
@tstruss912 I can understand not focusing all the activists' attention on 911 but having a transparent investigation into it is a must because it was used to (excuse my vulgar word) fuck millions of people's lives all around the world and obviously for any reasonable logical mind, the official story doesn't even make it to a B movie screenplay.
@Defsolid I'm sure the gov had something to do with 911, but unfortunately all the evidence is surely destroyed at this point. Bottom line is that this gov has got to go! People don't need to know the gov helped with 911 to be pissed enough to overthrow it. I think that two wars, a shit economy, the bailouts (followed by exorbitant profits of course), right vs. left puppet show, plus all the lies that they have admitted to in the past should clear the bar of reasonable doubt for most people.
@tstruss912 Bingo! Look at the leaders of this movement people like Alex Jones, who is that guy really working for? People are blind to the truth on this issue. Zinn is absolutely correct, unfortunately nuance is lost on most "truthers".
@starkweather444 I believe 9/11 was an inside job and I'm disappointed that Howard Zinn(R.I.P) Noam Chomsky and you are not interested in a new research. The Official 9/11 Report does not even mention the collapse of building 7. This unexplainable collapse should have been thoroughly researched, they just left it out of the report, as if it never happened.
Sorry for my poor English, it's my second language. Unfortunately nuance is lost on most of you "deniers".
@josgvis That isn't true josgvis I am very interested in new research. I believe that there should be a REAL investigation of 9/11, not some B.S. 9/11 commission. My original point is that people like Alex Jones hurt the truth movement in a lot of ways and that Zinn and Chomsky are saying that the things that are truly important are being ignored by the truth movement. That was all they were saying and me too. Peace.
@tstruss912 I was trying to find what Zinns point of view on the U.S. was and then I find you. If you really believe that the U.S. govt setup 9/11 then you have the biggest steamy diaper shit of down syndrome I have ever seen as well as all of you conspiracy queers.
@1993Sharpshooter What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I say that I believe our gov did it? I don't think that. Perhaps you overreacted...diaper shit down syndrome man lol.
9/11 was a terrorist attck pepetrated by Alqaeda, case closed. It's nioce that people like him can sit around coming up with all kinds of fantastical theories musings and philosophies but some people don't have time for bullshit and have to defend the country and this is an insult to them.
@ninemen123 "It's nioce that people like him can sit around coming up with all kinds of fantastical theories musings and philosophies" ya, thinkers are a waste of space. Who needs sceince, democratic republics, etc, when we can just follow our leaders and take whatever they say as gospel. That worked out great for Nazi Germany.
I would argue that the 911 truth movement, like the JFK assassination club, is probably being manipulated by internal psy-ops. The Truthers have it exactly backwards. Focusing on 911 will not bring about some massive awakening, focusing on 911 is neutralizing dissent that could otherwise be directed at countering the ruling class actions *as they unfold*.
Truthers' narrow focus in the past disempowers what should be a unified resistence to crimes as they are being carried out.
I think it's revealing that you say you were disappointed by Zinn's "weird response".
911 Truthers could use some of the historical perspective Zinn brings. Instead of a million people focusing all their attention on 911 minutiae, or JFK assassination minutiae, what if we had a million people focusing on the crimes of our ruling class as they unfold... in real time?
Zinn's point is that focusing on the 911 events distracts from the common truth we are all aware of, that we need to concentrate on the fact of rising fascism within the Untied States , and have sufficient evidence of the manipulation by the Bush administration for the purposes of restoring democratic movements within the country.
He doesn't say anywhere that he doesn't care about accountability or justice for 911 victims. The real scandal of that event was and is the incompetence and dishonesty of that administration and the use of this event to justify the enactment of the patriot act the invasion of Iraq and various criminal acts. You idiots have distracted the national discussion such that that incompetence and illegality have been ignored. Thanks a lot. And you don't represent those victims any more than I or Zinn.
I saw this almost 2 years ago and remember thinking why someone like Mr. Zinn would not support a movement like this. Watching it now a after a couple of years to analyse things and do more research i would have to now agree with him. He is smart enough to not let his emotions get in the way of rational thinking which i believe both the government and most 9/11 truthers are guilty of although i think the goverment more so USES the peoples emotions to control the people ...cont
@Boyd0006 cont.. by bringing up "the people that died on 9/11" so no one will ask them any further questions,they use it as a shield of cover.some 9/11 truthers r guilty of this too,2 envoke emotion 2 get people 2 side with them.What happened was terrible but addressing this now shouldn't b the no1 prority, we still have the wars to deal with and crooks in the system.I believe what Mr. Zinn was trying to doing here was distancing himself from the fanatics as 2 not comprimise his valued opinions
I think its really weird. That Noam Chomsky and Zinn both share the same exact belief. As if the intellectuals have a pre planned response. They dwell SO MUCH into the american revolution, the civil war, vietnam, all these things. But for some reason one tahts CURRENT and we can deal with, they say we shouldnt care
Zinn's not saying we should ignore history. He's just saying we ought to focus our energy pragmatically and use our political resources wisely. You've got to focus on today's pressing issues of banking regulation, medical care reforms, foreign wars, and widespread unemployment. He even recommends officially appointing "10 people" or some such number, to carefully investigate the attacks for a second time. He's not dismissing the importance of history or the importance of truth.
9/11 truthers are so clueless that they went after someone like Howard Zinn. And then they call for a useless "investigation" in a corrupt system. Fuck that. If what you say is true we need fucking revolution. 911 truthers are spineless cos they don't believe in shit.
What a pleasure to see a mind like Zinn's putting the 9/11 "truther" outrage into perspective. Personally, I like the end of the video, where it is supposed to demonstrate that the student was not distorting Zinn's views, but instead does just the opposite. It's really impressive, considering how little context Zinn's comments were given in the 20 second clip at the end.
To think I was a fan of yours, Mr. Zinn. A "pre-eminant" historian relagating IMMEDIATE history such as 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination to being "IRRELAVENT" and "IN THE PAST" is MIND-BLOWINGLY ASSININE! It's defies belief that you could say something so incredibly STUPID. You have NO CLUE about the debt of gratitude this nation owes the people who "wasted their time". YOU, Mr. Zinn, of all people, pissing on the efforts of people dedicated to finding the truth of our recent history!! Wow....
Howard Zinn has done a great deal for the fight for Civil Rights and he has left a great legacy of work. And at the end of the day, he IS Jewish. He knows that 9/11 benefited Isreal and some VERY powerful Jewish men. Yes 9/11 was a war orchestrated by powerful men in Isreal, Saudi Arabia, Britain and America. But he knew that tugging on Superman's cape (Isreal) is not the way to go. That's just my opinion. He is simply saying that the effort wasted on the details, takes away from the struggle.
i dont get why the govt would do this. we have been illegally/unjustifiably invading countries and raping other countries for their resources for a loooong time. we have a finely tuned system of corporate news propaganda that basically works as a mouthpiece for any sitting govt. why would they need to risk hatching some conspiracy to kill americans themselves when they could just continue with ridiculous foreign policy that makes people want to kill us.
What pointless asnd worthless drivel this video this is. At least you had the dignity to post most of his responce intact after the opening which seemed to take somethign he said out of context. He didn't say it was unimportant he said it was comparatively unimportant compared to others. Why is 911 the most important thing that ever happened. It seems its important cause it took place in america.
What pointless asnd worthless drivel this video this is. At least you had the dignity to post most of his responce intact after the opening which seemed to take somethign he said out of context. He didn't say it was unimportant he said it was comparatively unimportant compared to others. Why is 911 the most important thing that ever happened. It seems its important cause it took place in america.
How disappointing to hear Howard Zinn say this!What happened on 9/11 has created the basis for all the wars so far in this century,and He's saying "I dont care about 9/11 because its in the past?So if I murder someone and avoid prosecution long enough,I'm no longer liable for the crime??Howard,you were a coward.You should've been honest and stood up for the truth,or you should've joined the OTHER SIDE.You and Chomsky are smart enough to know the truth,and your lame excuses aint gonna fly.
WTC building 7 later collapsing in the same way as the first two twin buildings, and the presence of nano-thermite militate against any belief that the U.S. government had no part in 9/11. The problem is the American people are talking the blue pill (The Matrix).
I am a 911 "truther". I do believe there is enough reason to suspect that elements in our government "looked the other way" to allow this to happen. I would love to learn the truth. But, I do understand what Howard was saying. He seems to feel that focusing too much on a "battle" that would likely not be won, distracts and robs energy from the "war" itself. Opening the eyes of America won't happen if we are too easily painted as conspiracy theory nuts. Even if they are true.
Thousands of young men signed up that day because there was visceral chaos to witness and their leaders pointed a finger. That was all it took, in this day and age of public education and mass media instant access, the lie required next to nothing to become the driving force for a nation and the new organizing principle of society. It had nothing to do with the "truth" or the meaning of any message given, and everything to do with our obedience to that message, our obedience to that authority.
What "really" happened on 9/11 matters to ideologues who think ideology or "truth" fundamentally controls human events. Ironically, the "truth" was that the majority of humanity refuses to care what's true. Lies are better investments. It wouldn't matter what was "true" about that day. People would continue to believe the narrative that served them best, no matter what evidence and army of patriotic infallible experts you could wheel out for the cameras. Lies win because they work too well.
I fully respect Zinn's opinion on 9/11. he's not saying it wasn't a tragedy, or that he even believes the "official" story. He clearly states that he doesn't believe it.
But some very smart and motivated people have spent countless hours researching and investigating and hypothesizing about what really happened that day. In the grand scheme of things, how it happened isn't as important as how we allowed our government to react to it, and trick us into the state of affairs that we're in today.
Are you SERIOUS??? How is happened isn't important? That the US government would plan fake terrorist attacks and kill its own citizens so it could get a "free pass" to wage war, isn't important? Whats to stop the government doing it again (and maybe killimg you or someone you love in the process?) WOW, no wonder the world is so screwed up with this kind of thinking - in fact I think psycho-analysis is required. There is scientific evidence that PROVES 9/11 was an inside job!!!!
Rubbish. This is the crime of the century. If you don't learn from this, understand it and accept as a nation, your civilsation is screwed. have fun explaining why you did nothing to your grandkids.
We don't need obscure conspiracy theories about government crimes. We KNOW the US government is Killing children in Afghanistan with Predator Drones. We KNOW the US government is supporting the WAR CRIMES of Israel against the indigenous population of Palestine.
If you wish to STOP government criminal activity...these are the right places to start.
I don't give a damn if Uncle Sam is imprisoning the Last Sasquatch, I do care about the OPEN CRIMES of the US gov.
zinn wrote a lot of good works and overall from what I saw and read a quality guy. he was quite old and everyone had bad days especially in their twilight seems like a lot better targets out there besides zinn. I agree he's off target on 9/11 it didn't happen in his time and it is a subject he fell short on sadly
I agree with Zinn on this. We don't need to figure out that Bush was behind 9/11 to figure out that Bush was a bad guy, that he was a fascist. To figure out that our government was behind it (which I believe is what Zinn believes being a historian) would not really do anything for the common awareness. We know now that the Tonkin Gulf incident was overly exaggerated and hyped in the media, Robert McNamara secretary of defense admitted that. Did we overthrow the government? No we didn't.
You guys found out about the Gulf of Tonkin incident long after it happened, and the President at the time was long a skeleton in his grave. Bush and Co are STILL ALIVE. They killed 3,000 people to get a war they wanted, wish killed hundreds of thousands more. They should be in jail. You can go to jail for smoking weed in America. I don't know whats worse: people denying the obvious that 9/11 was an inside job or knowing it was and thinking it doesn't matter.
There's not much we the people can do, it's all up to our government officials and Obama refused to prosecute Bush and Cheney for any wrong doing. Even though they should've been waterboarded five times over. I agree that someone should be held responsible but it's not going to bring those 3,000 people back. It's not going to stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's not going to change the fact that Obama is continuing many of Bush's domestic policies.
Bush didn't need 9/11 to invade Iraq. Let's be honest, what did he gain from it? The whole Iraq war is a disaster, you're still able to watch this video without security agents coming to your door. Those in power knew that we're already illiterate and ignorant enough to not need such a big shocker as 9/11 to justify an imperialist war like Iraq.
Totally disagree. Would thousands of young men have signed up for duty without the anger they felt for 9/11 spurring them on? No. Did Bush believe the Iraq war would be a gigantic disaster? No, he even proclaimed success a few weeks later. He believed the supremacy of American might would crush Iraq and Iraqis were crying out for a bit of American culture (which is of course superior to other cultures to people like Bush) To be cont....
Would congress have gone along with Bush and the neo-cons pre-conceived plan to invade Iraq without 9/11 which stirred up overwhelming feelings of revenge and patriotism? Extremely doubtful. Would the patriot act have been rushed through without 9/11? No. Would war companies run by Bush's and Cheney's mates make huge profit is there were no wars? No. Americans are used to their "democracy" and "freedoms" now, they would not give them up easily....
Thats why their security was taken from them... the bad people, the terrorists were created... its truly the oldest trick in the book... even Hitler had to come up with "stories" to keep Germans complicit.
9/11 Truth fanatics seem to think the deaths of 3000 Americans are more worthy of attention than, for example, over 1 million deaths in Iraq at (500,000 child deaths from sanctions), or the destruction of the economies of poor countries in pursuit of elite corporate interests, or the destruction of the environment etc etc... all things that are done openly and brazenly and need no investigation.
Why not focus primarily on tackling the things that cause far more damage and are done openly?
@kelly980 , True. Im past 9/11 and now Im really into studying international law and the consiquences of our governments illegal acts of agression. It's time to understand that our government is corrupt and we should not let an act like 9/11 happen again.
How can something like 9/11 not happen again when the American people seem to think its not relevant, or its in the past??? We are still locating and prosecuting Nazi war criminals for gods sake. IT is practically the most important issue in America. Without 9/11 there would not have been an Iraq invasion. The truth matters, and 9/11 was not even a decade ago.
Because those things wouldn't have happened without 9/11. People turned a blind eye to all that suffering and death in Iraq because they were outraged by 9/11...its the starting pint of it all... and to understand that entire decade we have to analyse what come first, and prove to the people it was an inside job and that it was not the doings of Islamic terrorists...
Eh, I disagree with him here. I think it's vitally important for the people in this country to know the extent and level that they are lied to by reading books like Plausible Denial by Mark Lane and watching movies like Zeitgeist that break down the 9/11 popular myth and introduce you to your corrupt CIA.
I mean, really... He's already been there, done that - He was one the biggest advocates against the war; and AGAIN, what does this do? Nothing. No, offense, but that first dude is a dumbass... brining up a guy who knew MLK??? hahaha, look up Zinn and Spellman College. I mean, wtf. I don't get it. I really don't.
what's the point of this video? There is no point... there's NOTHING progressive about condescending the deceased - what i don't understand is what you provide for the future, that would even compare to a pube from MY groin, let alone Howard Zinns... I'm agitated by your this video. Ok, so we do review 9/11... then what? At least Zinn is a PROGRESSIVE thinker and doer. What do you provide, other than turning people away from a very influential and GREAT historian
I think Chomsky and Zinn could have handled themselves better with regard to 9/11, chosen different words or taken a lighter attitude. But fundamentally they're right, as horrific as losing 3000 people was, sadly, it'd just be a footnote compared to the rest of the crimes of the American Empire. It just does not matter if Bush et al planned or knew anything or not. They still deserve to be in prison.
anyone who doesn't believe conspiracies have played a major role in history, especially recent history, is a fanatic imbecile, who has far too much faith in humanity, and are so called "leaders". they are brainwashed lemmings, who will follow their masters off a cliff.
if so, then you are either insane, or an ignorant arsehole. human beings, especially the elite, aren't a force of nature, we're not a pack of rabid dogs, mauling each other in the dark, we are cold, calculative creatures, capable of thinking 10 or 20 steps ahead of our opponents. capable of mass, mind manipulation.
i reverse their spineless, impotent, naive sentiments. i say you are a madman, if you deny conspiricies, premptively, withoute consideration of the facts. do you deny the gulf of tonkin, pearl harbour, the reichstag, the assasination of julius caesar, jfk, abraham lincoln, or what nero and diocletian did?
they could never imagine that george bush pretended to be a christian and secretly payed homage to the goddess euloga, moloch and lucifer. they could never imagine that the elite would abduct muslim men, torture them, and program them to massacre americans, not just so they could have an excuse for invading iraq, but out of sheer bloodlust, and contempt for the "the profane", "the useless feeders", you and me.
they believe that history is a series of accidents and misunderstandings, that guns and institutions are to blame for most of humanities problems, and that, deep down inside, we're all compassionate creatures, ha, naive fools. they had their time in the sun. we must look to people like alex jones and jesse ventura to lead us into the future. good day.
he's an old, jewish, left wing socialist, like chomsky. these guys are passe. they are incapable of fully understanding the dark, devious side of humanity. phrases like new world order, false flag, controlled opposition, and order out of chaos, aren't part of their vocabularly.
but I have to agree with him though. If this movement could have happened 5 years ago that would have been wonderful. But understand that it's 8 years later. Do I think that the government had a hand in the attacks of September 11th? Certainly. They gained too much from it. However, fighting this now would be illogical. We can't change the past but we can change the future. It feels like Vietnam right now, why are the citizens not behaving like it's Vietnam?
Because they have been conditioned to except things like 9/11,illegal wars and lets not forget Gitmo!
You seem to think timing is a nessasry factor in getting justice for the crimes of 9/11, its not...it is PROOF! Niels Harrit and 8 other scientists found nano-thermite in the dust from the World Trade Center.
Scientist Niels Harrit, on nano-thermite in the WTC dust ( english subtitles )
@911TruthPusher Hey I harmlessly litter-grafitti (using paper messages) 9/11 info everywhere in public-better than nothin, an keepin the word fresh!
I don't get the sense Zinn has much investigated 9/11; he's overly dismissive here, a common fault of the ignorant (I myself thought little of viewpoints outside the official report before I educated myself)
@911TruthPusher lets say 9-11 was planned, put in motion, and carried out by our government. Whats the point? Our government commits FAR worse atrocities on a regular basis. Dissidence is a good thing, it's vital for the betterment of the human condition. But if that dissidence has no significant existence beyond purely an academic realm; it has no real substance. Howard Zinn was 100% right. Stop focusing so much on 9-11, and focus on actual broadened social movements if you want any real change
@xombybutterflies People were blowing the whistle shortly after the 9-11 demolitions. It took 8 years for it to surface on an international level and to accumulate evidence of which there is a lot.
Interesting to see how the members of a certain tribe NEVER want to hear about anything but the propaganda version when it comes to 911. Does THAT make you "think"? I know this annoys a lot of intellectuals. But why not?
The war on freedom is not "past" at all yet. It continues daily with tiring references to 911 and other phony fabrications. The audience - like most intellectuals - just love to "think" (and maybe feel decorated for being involved with intellectual concerns) And that´s it! Dare you disturb their comfort? (btw I made my degree so spare any efforts of imposing academic superiority)
"because it is very disrespectful to those that suffer from the pain of losing a loved ones or their health because of that attack"
Define dishonest debate tactics.
I do not believe in the "official" 9/11 story myself, but you are not going to convince people otherwise with such juvenile tactics like pulling the sympathy card.
Zinn is a highly educated and informed academic. This does not mean everything he says is right, but ponder his wisdom a little longer before you shoot your mouth off.
I think the Bush cabal let 9/11 happen. It should be investigated and Bush and his cronies should be jailed for that and many other crimes. That being said, Zinn doesn't deal in conspiracies. That's not his forte. That doesn't make him a "gatekeeper." Keep in mind there's never really been a smoking gun either when it comes to 9/11, especially regarding "planned demolition." That doesn't mean that I don't put anything past our gov't. I read the Mike Ruppert timeline months after 9/11.
All conspiracy theorists on this matter simply don't read enough or understand the bigger picture. They need to understand US foreign policy history to know why the US is hated in foreign countries. They seem to enjoy some false sense of kudos - seeing themselves as smart detectives who are unravelling some kind of big mystery - and if only everyone was as vigilant as they.
What Mr Zinn is saying here is simply 'GROW UP". There are so many state crimes meant to be hidden we can KNOW about.
I think what some people don't understand is that Howard Zinn was an intellectual, not a conspiracy theorist. He felt that wasting time on conspiracy theories takes away attention from the real issues that affect all of our lives.
He wasn't searching for "truth" the way people searching for UFO's do, so it's understandable why he didn't dedicate his time to studying 9/11. A conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory, and that's that.
Conspiracy theory is a fraudulent propagandist term. The establishment dismiss your entire world view of affluent people dominating the planet as conspiracy theory.
I agree with Zinn, fanatics distort the truth no matter which side they are on. Zinn said, "that's passed" not "it's in the past." The comment was also out of context..."truth is I don't care that much about it...that's passed." I would take that to mean he has moved on from the movement just as he described in the first video.
Sayin that 911 is in the past is like saying that any unsloved crime or murder is in the past and isn't important. I can't understand this mind set! If anyone responsible for this or any other violent crime is still free, shouldn't they be brought to justice for the safety of us all and to get history correct?
Perhaps, it's possible that Howard Zinn simply does not want to be associated with the 9/11 truth movement. That would jeopardize all of his life-long work. He is playing fair. He agrees Bush ought to face trial for war crimes. The wars which have brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands should be the center of attention.
Perhaps, it's possible that Howard Zinn simply does not want to be associated with the 9/11 truth movement. That would jeopardize all of his life-long work. He is playing fair. He agrees Bush ought to face trial for war crimes. The wars which have brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands should be the center of attention.
Perhaps, it's possible that Howard Zinn simply does not want to be associated with the 9/11 truth movement. That would jeopardize all of his life-long work. He is playing fair. He agrees Bush ought to face trial for war crimes. The wars which have brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands should be the center of attention.
Perhaps, it's possible that Howard Zinn simply does not want to be associated with the 9/11 truth movement. That would jeopardize all of his life-long work. He is playing fair. He agrees Bush ought to face trial for war crimes. The wars which have brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands should be the center of attention.
Perhaps, it's possible that Howard Zinn simply does not want to be associated with the 9/11 truth movement. That would jeopardize all of his life-long work. He is playing fair. He agrees Bush ought to face trial for war crimes. The war which has brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands should be the center of attention.
I think Zinn is playing fair. Perhaps, it is possible that he said what he said because US politics automatically discredits any claims made by 9/11 truth movement. Associating him with these "conspiracy theorists" would have jeopardized all of his life-long work. I don't think anyone of his position of great influence would ever be prepared to make such a move- that unless, of course, you were George Carlin. He is about reaching out to people that have been indoctrinated.
how can you not care about 9-11! it is the past yes but for alot of people that was what got them to wake up. a group effort one target is more affective than a scatterd one in my oppinion.
@911TruthPusher not much, but at least there was a debate on torture in guantanamo, the point of us agitating people in other countries appears is quite a bit in the mainstream
dont get me wrong i am up for another investigation but there is no reason to put down zinn for not being obsessed with 911
hes more of social/racial struggles kind of guy and has done good work in showing the open ugliness of our government
Hey don't get me wrong, Zinn's valuable work speaks for it self. I was just disappointing by his weird response to our appeal for support, regarding a subject that we all could agree needs a real investigation.
ps that so called debate on Gitmo has only lead to the normalization of illegal detention and illegal combatants, i really feel that a spot light on the unusual events of 9/11 would have taken that debate to a productive level.
This kind of iconoclasm is severly misplaced;it makes the truthers look as if they're too confused to realize who their real enemies are.
So Zinn made the misguided,unPC remark.I hardly believe that he intended to make a mockery of 9/11 anymore than Harry Reid intended to make a mockery of Obama,with his comments.
The point is that he gets the real "TRUTH"--that the formula '9/11 was an inside job' means exactly that:that until some ballsy,registered whistleblower emerges,you know shit.
I can't stand these one-issue fools. they are so obsessed with their conspiracy theory that they're unwilling (probably unable) to see the whole picture. They jump at shadows and make enemies out of anyone who doesn't agree with them one-hundred percent. These people need to grow up.
clumpofdirt77 10 months ago
Charlie Sheen or Howard Zinn. Who to trust? Hhmmmm . . .
Nothing worse than these 9/11 truther crybabies.
The person who made this video is an imbecile.
FungusMossGnosis 10 months ago
By the "it's in the past," he meant it is not worth looking into because we have more pressing immediate concerns about human rights and U.S. military activity. Those are things we can affect if we use ALL of our energy as a movement now. Proving 9/11 was an inside job would not simply expend energy that the dissident community does not have, but it's practically impossible to do (refer to what I just said in the previous post).
mcutler83 10 months ago
Listen to Zinn. He's giving you a reasoned, rational response to a question that may never have an answer in any practical sense. Who is going to investigate it? What independent organization will ever be granted the access necessary to definitively prove that 9/11 was an inside job. Even if some international, independent committee existed, there would be no way that the United States, in all its hegemonic power, would ever allow such a committee to conduct a worthwhile investigation.
mcutler83 10 months ago
Chomsky and Zinn are both Jewish and don't want to see Israel completely destroyed.
okendido 10 months ago
Ah Zinn, you're an intellectual fuckface enjoying celebrity. For thousands of people this is a very personal issue... if it had been personal for you, I think you'd behave very differently. Enjoy and keep the books rolling out..... NOT.
9/11 - No practical political significance? I don't believe what I'm hearing from this old man.
millvalleyrn 10 months ago
@millvalleyrn
He's dead... the dead don't make money. You are an idiot. ... and by the way, books rolling out. Have you read a people's history? Or his last book The bomb? Are you really so ignorant to attack someone who fought for civil liberties in America as passionately as Zinn did?
ymatmband 10 months ago
Zinn is correct here. We don't need 9/11 to proof Bush is a war criminal! Zinn is a real historian and an activist, not some dumb-fuck asshole like Alex Jones.
kazearaki 11 months ago
I truly believe that the 9/11 Truth Movement is a conscious PR campaign to derail authentic political advocacy. It is a single issue being examined to pedantic detail for no useful purpose. Many intelligent people have devoted huge thought to this ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS NONSENSE. Why is it meaningless? Because whether bin Laden did it or another Islamist faction or George Bush, the result of it was the same: that authoritarian regimes used it to wage terror against people they call terrorists.
DemilichFan 11 months ago 2
@DemilichFan Actually, it does have a purpose. It may or may not be conscious, but the Truth Movement is certainly derived from the propaganda of anti-politics. The real conspiracy may very well be that it has been implanted into social media in order to derail young activists from concentrating their energies on the real cause and effect of policy decisions. Not to mention the fact that the evidence is crap. The reason that this evidence is mounting is because it's easy to generate.
DemilichFan 11 months ago
Wow, a lot of Chomsky and Zinn apologists here in the comments... Old dudes in their 80's see everything through their old dude filters. Building 7 people, come on..
M3di3v4L 11 months ago
All in all 9/11 was an act of conflict in the collective culture of the world and is leading to a greater Consciousness of freedom. it has significance in our history. But to Dwell in the past and not progress is detremental
JeffDaPanda 11 months ago
If the government didn't do 9/11, someone else would have done it anyway. It was as good as inevitable.
Madfoot713 11 months ago
Chomsky argues that the 9/11 truth movement is pushed by the government to prevent real questions being asked. In a similar way to how the JFK conspiracy was exploited by the Elite.
Most 9/11 truthers are dumb cunts who know nothing of politics. In the conspiracy circle they're generally regarded as annoying noobs. The MTV watchers of the conspiracy world.
bryanoffspringtg 11 months ago
You HAVE distorted what Zinn said, by way of reading into it what you wanted to hear. He was correct in his reply. There are bigger issues here, and that statment in no way minimizes what happened on 9/11. Stop speaking for the families of 9/11, as I- for one- agree with Zinn.
FunKills1969 11 months ago
To this day, there is no solid answer as to who started the Reichstag Fire. Most historians agree that it probably was done by the Nazis, but who did it is irrelevant, as it was how the incident was used that is important to understanding it's significance - results were the same no matter who perpetrated the crime.
That is what Zinn is saying is his opinion here. War of aggression is the most serious war crime possible. To investigate Manson for littering would be equivalent.
herdpoisoning 11 months ago
It doesn't matter if the government designed 9/11, or even allowed it to happen. We already have a rich historical record of countless other war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated by the United States and other countries. Not to mention all the people starving and dying in civil war around the world. Why are people so obsessed with this one conspiracy when there are far more terrible things we can redress?
scientrophic 11 months ago
Obama should be impeached for not ending these terrorist wars of aggression----the Clintonites own his ass----the Clintonites are part of Wall St. and are pursuing a radical corporate globalist agenda----when was the left emasculated? Where are the days of Abbie Hoffmann? Why won't the left grow some nuts and confront this shit? Where are the cajones?
metalreign81 11 months ago
The planes crashing into the towers was destructive enough to give Bush and the neocons all the leverage they needed to push through the Patriot Act etc. etc. etc.
Iraq and Afghanistan were only phase 1 and phase 2 of Middle East bedlam----Iran is next on the empire's hit list---stop the war before it starts
demand Obama remove our troops from all corners of the globe we aren't welcome and concentrate on problems at home
namely poverty and the destruction of the middle class
metalreign81 11 months ago
Even if there were a "9/11 Independant Investigation" who would believe it?
One side would say it went too far.....the other side would say not far enough
we don't need 9/11 to confront the horrible truth that the U.S. is the global empire and carrying out massive atrocities and crimes throughout the world
that is the real 9/11 truth
metalreign81 11 months ago
zinn is right. its not the most pressing issue at the moment. look at all the people who have died in afghanistan and iraq. the number is going to go up if something isnt done to stop them. then, maybe it can be looked into.
SDTPW 11 months ago
then i am majorly suspect bcuz i see suffering as suffering and 9/11 truthers wasting their time, ignoring relevant problems. when americans heard about cointelpro years later, most never bat an eye. wouldnt it be great to talk about current issues? and if you dont like airport security, dont buy their product assface... @abuBakr97
bankyandbrodie 1 year ago
SOMETHING WRONG HERE. The 'mainstream' need a shock to wake up to how dastardly 'the powers that be' (read; Israeli/America Judeo Christian axis) are. I don't expect a consciousness shift but there will be no going back and the ignorant will be marked for the sheep they are. 9/11 was a MAJOR catalyst and to play it down is MAJORLY SUSPECT.... Kinda reminds me of Naom Chomsky's silence. Anyone see a pattern ? They've both been warned off or outright threatened.......
abuBakr97 1 year ago
9/11 truthers AND Howard Zinn??? who financed this unbridled orgy of left-wing extremism?
oldstock1607 1 year ago
zinn is right... 9/11 truth is so last year...
bankyandbrodie 1 year ago
@bankyandbrodie Was it 'SO LAST YEAR' that you were abused in an airport........ tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people whom perished as a result of this ZIONIST move. Or the 'lucky' one's who are at least alive but are still living in hideous refugee camps possibly with a mother with zero chances of re marrying. INDIFFERENCE... COMPASSION FATIGUE.... YOU SIR ARE THE PROBLEM YOU RETARD
abuBakr97 1 year ago
Wow. That's a pretty big cop-out. Mind boggling. Scared old man.
majorawol 1 year ago
It's STILL a huge issue, this 9/11 thing but Mr. Zinn is 100% right. Truth is, no one will ever know. We will still assume it happened this way or that way but not really KNOW what happened. I believe it's another distraction that is created like many things and people who are screaming 'NWO NWO NWO'. Alex jones can actually suck my balls with his socalled 'documents'. I really really don't give a shit anymore.
texasB666 1 year ago
I'm disappointed in Zinn here how can the biggest act of terrorism committed by people within our own government that was used to drag us into 2 wars not be important? It is clear to anyone with a brain that those buildings were destroyed in controlled demolitions
MaryJoMuser 1 year ago
9/11 "truthers", what is wrong with you? You're a group of paranoid chihuahuas barking at everything that moves, no matter whats moving in the dark room of your ignorant cognition! Howard Zinn is somebody to SUPPORT, not bash and criticize. Not that that's what you did, that would be giving you credit, you just made yourself look like a damn fool. Ever read a people's history of the united states? He's on your side dumbass! Wake up! You are burning the few bridges you should be trying to build!
MrBananapies 1 year ago 2
Sure let the elite reign terror on the little people, it's really no big deal.
UNTC321 1 year ago
@michaelc 'nuff said. That's what Zinn's saying. He's like David after the death of his son. There's little we can do about this now, why continue to lend it creedence. What we can do is change the future... God Bless and Thank You, Zinn!
blainejah 1 year ago
Yes, it's in the past and we will most likely NEVER know! So you truthers get your heads out of your asses and focus on shit we can actually affect instead of believing uncertain theories.
michaelcjordan 1 year ago
@michaelcjordan The same should be said about the hollow cost ,
dankrug 1 year ago
@dankrug What? Are you a holocaust denier? I suggested you watch the video that was presented at the Nuremburg Trials and then come back and deny it happened.
michaelcjordan 1 year ago
He didn't say it's "in the past' he said it's 'past': different meaning
coolioto 1 year ago
Like picking on a guy like Zinn is useful. I guy who did more in just a single day of his life to expose bullshit than those guys will ever do in their lifetimes. So lame. And what did that questioner "suffer" for that lie?
hmrto 1 year ago
@hmrto He only ever "exposed" bullshit that was beneficial tothe zionist cause, and hear them applaud and guffaw
dankrug 1 year ago
9/11truthPUSHER is just about right. That's some toxic shit you're selling, Mr. Dope Man. Makes brains turn to mush.
MrFarcry1966 1 year ago
Zinn annihilates these idiots.
MrFarcry1966 1 year ago
these 911 truth fanatics should wake up. While remembering the past is important, they seem to be forgetting about the present.
Khorney 1 year ago
An unfortunate case of Zinns words being taken out of context by the truth commission guy. What Zinn is trying to say and he isn't eloquant about it, is while there is an extremely small chance that 9-11 may have been an inside job. There is very limited evidence for such theories. When Zinn says he doesnt care he means the theories are weak and not worth concentrating on. Zinn also recognises that while people are into weak conspiricies they aren't putting effort into meaningful resistance.
TheBison4 1 year ago
@TheBison4 The same should be said about the hollow cost ,There is very limited evidence for such theories
dankrug 1 year ago
You know the 911 truth movement has been derailed when Zinn is the enemy. I suppose Chomsky is in on the conspiracy too?
ToiletScribble 1 year ago 12
Ohh no lets Agree that Oswald Shot Kennedy cuz its in the past! Nevermind 9/11 cuz we have sufficient reasons to impeach for their actions afterwards! Let's all go at city hall and get involved everybody!! If thats all that Zinn and chomsky have to tell me after "Manufacturing consent" , I dunno who the hell pays to go see these guys! How the hell can you be refered to as an intellectual and think that a coup d'état being passed off for blowback is not important enough to investigate??
TheAuspicious 10 months ago
RIP mr howard :( Its sad to know such a mind has left us
NightWish1985JO 1 year ago 2
zinn is 100% right
aerobique 1 year ago 2
Is he insane?
FKApathy 1 year ago
I couldn't agree more with Howard. And btw the editing on this video makes one cringe, it's painful. wtf is wrong with you?
iorr98 1 year ago 4
9/11 was another "False Flag Terror Act "concocted by the U.S. government. Research "Operation Northwoods".
Thanks.
josgvis 1 year ago 2
Howard was exactly right. Howard calls the 911truthers movement a diversion, because the establishment is moving. It is still disrupting the global economic system so we depend on them more. They are still killing in the name of freedom and liberty and blah blah and oil. What he's saying is we need to focus on current issues because of the crimes committed in the past, and prevent the same thing from happening in the future.
ateamga 1 year ago
Good man, he lives in the here-now, where energies can actually be applied in a current direction--even though he is a historian.
He documents significant there-then moments and tracks the energies expended during those times. I see no contradiction.
He studies the past, in order to better advise how we might apply ourselves...today.
CharlieOchs 1 year ago
Typical 9/11 truthers, always whoring for attention.
penumbrosity 1 year ago
This man is irrelevant.
Seigu007 1 year ago
I don't think that the folks who posted this video are truly listening to what Dr. Zinn said. The message is really truly not that difficult to grasp: while sure, from a historical perspective it would help shed a tremendous amount of light on a fairly important event in recent history, of more pressing need is to stop two concurrent wars waged as a result.
abinary 1 year ago
@abinary I'm not even sure they want to accept what Zinn really said. Issues such as this tend to show the significant difference between real dissidence, and conspiracy theorists. Not to say the government did or didn't have a part in 9-11, but whether it did or did not makes little difference at this point. The evidence of the Bush Administration's immoral action is already ample, actually doing something about it is what matters now.
GnomeChomsky99 1 year ago
Zinn is right; we don't need to know that our gov helped perpetrate 911. The whole 911 truth movement is probably just a way to divide activists. Long time activists like Zinn and Chomsky are well aware of such tricks. These tricks are well documented in Cointelpro.
tstruss912 1 year ago 16
@tstruss912 I can understand not focusing all the activists' attention on 911 but having a transparent investigation into it is a must because it was used to (excuse my vulgar word) fuck millions of people's lives all around the world and obviously for any reasonable logical mind, the official story doesn't even make it to a B movie screenplay.
Defsolid 1 year ago
@Defsolid I'm sure the gov had something to do with 911, but unfortunately all the evidence is surely destroyed at this point. Bottom line is that this gov has got to go! People don't need to know the gov helped with 911 to be pissed enough to overthrow it. I think that two wars, a shit economy, the bailouts (followed by exorbitant profits of course), right vs. left puppet show, plus all the lies that they have admitted to in the past should clear the bar of reasonable doubt for most people.
tstruss912 1 year ago
@tstruss912 sad but true
Defsolid 1 year ago
@tstruss912 Bingo! Look at the leaders of this movement people like Alex Jones, who is that guy really working for? People are blind to the truth on this issue. Zinn is absolutely correct, unfortunately nuance is lost on most "truthers".
starkweather444 1 year ago
@starkweather444 What about 'your' nuance is lost is this case sir.
josgvis 1 year ago
@josgvis Sorry I don't follow you. Is English your first language?
starkweather444 1 year ago
@starkweather444 I believe 9/11 was an inside job and I'm disappointed that Howard Zinn(R.I.P) Noam Chomsky and you are not interested in a new research. The Official 9/11 Report does not even mention the collapse of building 7. This unexplainable collapse should have been thoroughly researched, they just left it out of the report, as if it never happened.
Sorry for my poor English, it's my second language. Unfortunately nuance is lost on most of you "deniers".
Enjoy your day.
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josgvis 1 year ago
@josgvis That isn't true josgvis I am very interested in new research. I believe that there should be a REAL investigation of 9/11, not some B.S. 9/11 commission. My original point is that people like Alex Jones hurt the truth movement in a lot of ways and that Zinn and Chomsky are saying that the things that are truly important are being ignored by the truth movement. That was all they were saying and me too. Peace.
starkweather444 1 year ago
@starkweather444 Thanks for your response. I also truly hope that one day we do get a REAL investigation of 9/11. Peace to you too.
josgvis 1 year ago
@tstruss912 I was trying to find what Zinns point of view on the U.S. was and then I find you. If you really believe that the U.S. govt setup 9/11 then you have the biggest steamy diaper shit of down syndrome I have ever seen as well as all of you conspiracy queers.
1993Sharpshooter 11 months ago
@1993Sharpshooter What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I say that I believe our gov did it? I don't think that. Perhaps you overreacted...diaper shit down syndrome man lol.
tstruss912 11 months ago
9/11 was a terrorist attck pepetrated by Alqaeda, case closed. It's nioce that people like him can sit around coming up with all kinds of fantastical theories musings and philosophies but some people don't have time for bullshit and have to defend the country and this is an insult to them.
ninemen123 1 year ago
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@ninemen123 "It's nioce that people like him can sit around coming up with all kinds of fantastical theories musings and philosophies" ya, thinkers are a waste of space. Who needs sceince, democratic republics, etc, when we can just follow our leaders and take whatever they say as gospel. That worked out great for Nazi Germany.
tstruss912 1 year ago
I would argue that the 911 truth movement, like the JFK assassination club, is probably being manipulated by internal psy-ops. The Truthers have it exactly backwards. Focusing on 911 will not bring about some massive awakening, focusing on 911 is neutralizing dissent that could otherwise be directed at countering the ruling class actions *as they unfold*.
Truthers' narrow focus in the past disempowers what should be a unified resistence to crimes as they are being carried out.
robsyntonic 1 year ago
I think it's revealing that you say you were disappointed by Zinn's "weird response".
911 Truthers could use some of the historical perspective Zinn brings. Instead of a million people focusing all their attention on 911 minutiae, or JFK assassination minutiae, what if we had a million people focusing on the crimes of our ruling class as they unfold... in real time?
robsyntonic 1 year ago
Zinn's point is that focusing on the 911 events distracts from the common truth we are all aware of, that we need to concentrate on the fact of rising fascism within the Untied States , and have sufficient evidence of the manipulation by the Bush administration for the purposes of restoring democratic movements within the country.
Labradorman100 1 year ago
He doesn't say anywhere that he doesn't care about accountability or justice for 911 victims. The real scandal of that event was and is the incompetence and dishonesty of that administration and the use of this event to justify the enactment of the patriot act the invasion of Iraq and various criminal acts. You idiots have distracted the national discussion such that that incompetence and illegality have been ignored. Thanks a lot. And you don't represent those victims any more than I or Zinn.
hamnose 1 year ago
I saw this almost 2 years ago and remember thinking why someone like Mr. Zinn would not support a movement like this. Watching it now a after a couple of years to analyse things and do more research i would have to now agree with him. He is smart enough to not let his emotions get in the way of rational thinking which i believe both the government and most 9/11 truthers are guilty of although i think the goverment more so USES the peoples emotions to control the people ...cont
Boyd0006 1 year ago
@Boyd0006 cont.. by bringing up "the people that died on 9/11" so no one will ask them any further questions,they use it as a shield of cover.some 9/11 truthers r guilty of this too,2 envoke emotion 2 get people 2 side with them.What happened was terrible but addressing this now shouldn't b the no1 prority, we still have the wars to deal with and crooks in the system.I believe what Mr. Zinn was trying to doing here was distancing himself from the fanatics as 2 not comprimise his valued opinions
Boyd0006 1 year ago
congratulations on wasting your life 911chump
tzarjez 1 year ago
I think its really weird. That Noam Chomsky and Zinn both share the same exact belief. As if the intellectuals have a pre planned response. They dwell SO MUCH into the american revolution, the civil war, vietnam, all these things. But for some reason one tahts CURRENT and we can deal with, they say we shouldnt care
doonymacc 1 year ago
Zinn's not saying we should ignore history. He's just saying we ought to focus our energy pragmatically and use our political resources wisely. You've got to focus on today's pressing issues of banking regulation, medical care reforms, foreign wars, and widespread unemployment. He even recommends officially appointing "10 people" or some such number, to carefully investigate the attacks for a second time. He's not dismissing the importance of history or the importance of truth.
quantumcodex 1 year ago
9/11 truthers are so clueless that they went after someone like Howard Zinn. And then they call for a useless "investigation" in a corrupt system. Fuck that. If what you say is true we need fucking revolution. 911 truthers are spineless cos they don't believe in shit.
bjarczyk 1 year ago
What a pleasure to see a mind like Zinn's putting the 9/11 "truther" outrage into perspective. Personally, I like the end of the video, where it is supposed to demonstrate that the student was not distorting Zinn's views, but instead does just the opposite. It's really impressive, considering how little context Zinn's comments were given in the 20 second clip at the end.
blackplague1347 1 year ago
A true Communist.
jstef928 1 year ago
Oh shit, I forgot he just died! Hahahaha.......I'm laughing at myself. Anyway, what an incredibly moronic shill he turned out to be!
muhser1 1 year ago
To think I was a fan of yours, Mr. Zinn. A "pre-eminant" historian relagating IMMEDIATE history such as 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination to being "IRRELAVENT" and "IN THE PAST" is MIND-BLOWINGLY ASSININE! It's defies belief that you could say something so incredibly STUPID. You have NO CLUE about the debt of gratitude this nation owes the people who "wasted their time". YOU, Mr. Zinn, of all people, pissing on the efforts of people dedicated to finding the truth of our recent history!! Wow....
muhser1 1 year ago
Howard Zinn has done a great deal for the fight for Civil Rights and he has left a great legacy of work. And at the end of the day, he IS Jewish. He knows that 9/11 benefited Isreal and some VERY powerful Jewish men. Yes 9/11 was a war orchestrated by powerful men in Isreal, Saudi Arabia, Britain and America. But he knew that tugging on Superman's cape (Isreal) is not the way to go. That's just my opinion. He is simply saying that the effort wasted on the details, takes away from the struggle.
drbayoms 1 year ago
i dont get why the govt would do this. we have been illegally/unjustifiably invading countries and raping other countries for their resources for a loooong time. we have a finely tuned system of corporate news propaganda that basically works as a mouthpiece for any sitting govt. why would they need to risk hatching some conspiracy to kill americans themselves when they could just continue with ridiculous foreign policy that makes people want to kill us.
rgoodwyn 1 year ago
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What pointless asnd worthless drivel this video this is. At least you had the dignity to post most of his responce intact after the opening which seemed to take somethign he said out of context. He didn't say it was unimportant he said it was comparatively unimportant compared to others. Why is 911 the most important thing that ever happened. It seems its important cause it took place in america.
FA8T 1 year ago
What pointless asnd worthless drivel this video this is. At least you had the dignity to post most of his responce intact after the opening which seemed to take somethign he said out of context. He didn't say it was unimportant he said it was comparatively unimportant compared to others. Why is 911 the most important thing that ever happened. It seems its important cause it took place in america.
FA8T 1 year ago
How disappointing to hear Howard Zinn say this!What happened on 9/11 has created the basis for all the wars so far in this century,and He's saying "I dont care about 9/11 because its in the past?So if I murder someone and avoid prosecution long enough,I'm no longer liable for the crime??Howard,you were a coward.You should've been honest and stood up for the truth,or you should've joined the OTHER SIDE.You and Chomsky are smart enough to know the truth,and your lame excuses aint gonna fly.
mrbrianmccarthy 1 year ago
WTC building 7 later collapsing in the same way as the first two twin buildings, and the presence of nano-thermite militate against any belief that the U.S. government had no part in 9/11. The problem is the American people are talking the blue pill (The Matrix).
mujaku 1 year ago 2
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diman75 1 year ago
people just miss the point, basically get to the root of the problem or your wasting your time, Mr. Zinn is correct as usual
kobrajesusreturns 1 year ago
This made me lose respect for Howard Zinn
1844Freddy 1 year ago
i don't get why you keep cutting up the discussion with weird titles with crazy harsh music.
psychanaut 1 year ago
I am a 911 "truther". I do believe there is enough reason to suspect that elements in our government "looked the other way" to allow this to happen. I would love to learn the truth. But, I do understand what Howard was saying. He seems to feel that focusing too much on a "battle" that would likely not be won, distracts and robs energy from the "war" itself. Opening the eyes of America won't happen if we are too easily painted as conspiracy theory nuts. Even if they are true.
OlmanBalz 1 year ago
Thousands of young men signed up that day because there was visceral chaos to witness and their leaders pointed a finger. That was all it took, in this day and age of public education and mass media instant access, the lie required next to nothing to become the driving force for a nation and the new organizing principle of society. It had nothing to do with the "truth" or the meaning of any message given, and everything to do with our obedience to that message, our obedience to that authority.
iod3k 1 year ago
What "really" happened on 9/11 matters to ideologues who think ideology or "truth" fundamentally controls human events. Ironically, the "truth" was that the majority of humanity refuses to care what's true. Lies are better investments. It wouldn't matter what was "true" about that day. People would continue to believe the narrative that served them best, no matter what evidence and army of patriotic infallible experts you could wheel out for the cameras. Lies win because they work too well.
iod3k 1 year ago
HOWARD ZINN IS A FUCKING IDIOT HE IS OLLLLLLD!!!!!!!!!!!! 9/11 is huge
simpleedge 1 year ago
I fully respect Zinn's opinion on 9/11. he's not saying it wasn't a tragedy, or that he even believes the "official" story. He clearly states that he doesn't believe it.
But some very smart and motivated people have spent countless hours researching and investigating and hypothesizing about what really happened that day. In the grand scheme of things, how it happened isn't as important as how we allowed our government to react to it, and trick us into the state of affairs that we're in today.
1warpig 1 year ago
@1warpig
Are you SERIOUS??? How is happened isn't important? That the US government would plan fake terrorist attacks and kill its own citizens so it could get a "free pass" to wage war, isn't important? Whats to stop the government doing it again (and maybe killimg you or someone you love in the process?) WOW, no wonder the world is so screwed up with this kind of thinking - in fact I think psycho-analysis is required. There is scientific evidence that PROVES 9/11 was an inside job!!!!
missopinionated1976 1 year ago
Agreed. Stop wasting time on 9/11. It is a distraction from the mountain of crimes against this government that are proven beyond a doubt.
AndyWright68 1 year ago
@AndyWright68
Rubbish. This is the crime of the century. If you don't learn from this, understand it and accept as a nation, your civilsation is screwed. have fun explaining why you did nothing to your grandkids.
missopinionated1976 1 year ago
you picked a very effective way to ruin a worthwhile video. take out the music. i like SOAD, and i still think you should take out the music.
stringWithFormat 1 year ago
We don't need obscure conspiracy theories about government crimes. We KNOW the US government is Killing children in Afghanistan with Predator Drones. We KNOW the US government is supporting the WAR CRIMES of Israel against the indigenous population of Palestine.
If you wish to STOP government criminal activity...these are the right places to start.
I don't give a damn if Uncle Sam is imprisoning the Last Sasquatch, I do care about the OPEN CRIMES of the US gov.
STOP OBVIOUS GOVERNMENT CRIMES
leahcim3360 1 year ago
@leahcim3360
9,11 is VERY OBVIOUS as an inside job.
missopinionated1976 1 year ago
zinn wrote a lot of good works and overall from what I saw and read a quality guy. he was quite old and everyone had bad days especially in their twilight seems like a lot better targets out there besides zinn. I agree he's off target on 9/11 it didn't happen in his time and it is a subject he fell short on sadly
jacobpsweeney 1 year ago
I agree with Zinn on this. We don't need to figure out that Bush was behind 9/11 to figure out that Bush was a bad guy, that he was a fascist. To figure out that our government was behind it (which I believe is what Zinn believes being a historian) would not really do anything for the common awareness. We know now that the Tonkin Gulf incident was overly exaggerated and hyped in the media, Robert McNamara secretary of defense admitted that. Did we overthrow the government? No we didn't.
Connerisawesome 1 year ago
@Connerisawesome
You guys found out about the Gulf of Tonkin incident long after it happened, and the President at the time was long a skeleton in his grave. Bush and Co are STILL ALIVE. They killed 3,000 people to get a war they wanted, wish killed hundreds of thousands more. They should be in jail. You can go to jail for smoking weed in America. I don't know whats worse: people denying the obvious that 9/11 was an inside job or knowing it was and thinking it doesn't matter.
missopinionated1976 1 year ago
@missopinionated1976
There's not much we the people can do, it's all up to our government officials and Obama refused to prosecute Bush and Cheney for any wrong doing. Even though they should've been waterboarded five times over. I agree that someone should be held responsible but it's not going to bring those 3,000 people back. It's not going to stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's not going to change the fact that Obama is continuing many of Bush's domestic policies.
Connerisawesome 1 year ago
It really sad that so many people follow this guy into lunacy....
0001kd 1 year ago
Bush didn't need 9/11 to invade Iraq. Let's be honest, what did he gain from it? The whole Iraq war is a disaster, you're still able to watch this video without security agents coming to your door. Those in power knew that we're already illiterate and ignorant enough to not need such a big shocker as 9/11 to justify an imperialist war like Iraq.
AndrewMann552 1 year ago
@AndrewMann552
Totally disagree. Would thousands of young men have signed up for duty without the anger they felt for 9/11 spurring them on? No. Did Bush believe the Iraq war would be a gigantic disaster? No, he even proclaimed success a few weeks later. He believed the supremacy of American might would crush Iraq and Iraqis were crying out for a bit of American culture (which is of course superior to other cultures to people like Bush) To be cont....
missopinionated1976 1 year ago
@AndrewMann552
Would congress have gone along with Bush and the neo-cons pre-conceived plan to invade Iraq without 9/11 which stirred up overwhelming feelings of revenge and patriotism? Extremely doubtful. Would the patriot act have been rushed through without 9/11? No. Would war companies run by Bush's and Cheney's mates make huge profit is there were no wars? No. Americans are used to their "democracy" and "freedoms" now, they would not give them up easily....
missopinionated1976 1 year ago
@AndrewMann552
Thats why their security was taken from them... the bad people, the terrorists were created... its truly the oldest trick in the book... even Hitler had to come up with "stories" to keep Germans complicit.
missopinionated1976 1 year ago
9 11 was an inside job..
qxw667 1 year ago 2
9/11 Truth fanatics seem to think the deaths of 3000 Americans are more worthy of attention than, for example, over 1 million deaths in Iraq at (500,000 child deaths from sanctions), or the destruction of the economies of poor countries in pursuit of elite corporate interests, or the destruction of the environment etc etc... all things that are done openly and brazenly and need no investigation.
Why not focus primarily on tackling the things that cause far more damage and are done openly?
kelly980 1 year ago
@kelly980 , True. Im past 9/11 and now Im really into studying international law and the consiquences of our governments illegal acts of agression. It's time to understand that our government is corrupt and we should not let an act like 9/11 happen again.
knowthetruth1492 1 year ago
@knowthetruth1492
How can something like 9/11 not happen again when the American people seem to think its not relevant, or its in the past??? We are still locating and prosecuting Nazi war criminals for gods sake. IT is practically the most important issue in America. Without 9/11 there would not have been an Iraq invasion. The truth matters, and 9/11 was not even a decade ago.
missopinionated1976 1 year ago
@kelly980
Because those things wouldn't have happened without 9/11. People turned a blind eye to all that suffering and death in Iraq because they were outraged by 9/11...its the starting pint of it all... and to understand that entire decade we have to analyse what come first, and prove to the people it was an inside job and that it was not the doings of Islamic terrorists...
missopinionated1976 1 year ago
Eh, I disagree with him here. I think it's vitally important for the people in this country to know the extent and level that they are lied to by reading books like Plausible Denial by Mark Lane and watching movies like Zeitgeist that break down the 9/11 popular myth and introduce you to your corrupt CIA.
isisbybobdylan 1 year ago
Best thing Zinn ever did was croak.
reno93535 1 year ago
Zinn gave a very good answer. He didn't even bother refuting the Truthers' pseudoscience like Chomsky would, and he didn't have to.
ymirfrostgiant 1 year ago
I mean, really... He's already been there, done that - He was one the biggest advocates against the war; and AGAIN, what does this do? Nothing. No, offense, but that first dude is a dumbass... brining up a guy who knew MLK??? hahaha, look up Zinn and Spellman College. I mean, wtf. I don't get it. I really don't.
blahblahchoi 1 year ago
what's the point of this video? There is no point... there's NOTHING progressive about condescending the deceased - what i don't understand is what you provide for the future, that would even compare to a pube from MY groin, let alone Howard Zinns... I'm agitated by your this video. Ok, so we do review 9/11... then what? At least Zinn is a PROGRESSIVE thinker and doer. What do you provide, other than turning people away from a very influential and GREAT historian
blahblahchoi 1 year ago
I think Chomsky and Zinn could have handled themselves better with regard to 9/11, chosen different words or taken a lighter attitude. But fundamentally they're right, as horrific as losing 3000 people was, sadly, it'd just be a footnote compared to the rest of the crimes of the American Empire. It just does not matter if Bush et al planned or knew anything or not. They still deserve to be in prison.
hrmIwonder 1 year ago
"9/11 is the new age holocaust
u can quote me
i wanna be popular xD ~Mirage"
MirageScience 1 year ago
anyone who doesn't believe conspiracies have played a major role in history, especially recent history, is a fanatic imbecile, who has far too much faith in humanity, and are so called "leaders". they are brainwashed lemmings, who will follow their masters off a cliff.
longinusmaximus 1 year ago
if so, then you are either insane, or an ignorant arsehole. human beings, especially the elite, aren't a force of nature, we're not a pack of rabid dogs, mauling each other in the dark, we are cold, calculative creatures, capable of thinking 10 or 20 steps ahead of our opponents. capable of mass, mind manipulation.
longinusmaximus 1 year ago
i reverse their spineless, impotent, naive sentiments. i say you are a madman, if you deny conspiricies, premptively, withoute consideration of the facts. do you deny the gulf of tonkin, pearl harbour, the reichstag, the assasination of julius caesar, jfk, abraham lincoln, or what nero and diocletian did?
longinusmaximus 1 year ago
they could never imagine that george bush pretended to be a christian and secretly payed homage to the goddess euloga, moloch and lucifer. they could never imagine that the elite would abduct muslim men, torture them, and program them to massacre americans, not just so they could have an excuse for invading iraq, but out of sheer bloodlust, and contempt for the "the profane", "the useless feeders", you and me.
longinusmaximus 1 year ago
they believe that history is a series of accidents and misunderstandings, that guns and institutions are to blame for most of humanities problems, and that, deep down inside, we're all compassionate creatures, ha, naive fools. they had their time in the sun. we must look to people like alex jones and jesse ventura to lead us into the future. good day.
longinusmaximus 1 year ago
he's an old, jewish, left wing socialist, like chomsky. these guys are passe. they are incapable of fully understanding the dark, devious side of humanity. phrases like new world order, false flag, controlled opposition, and order out of chaos, aren't part of their vocabularly.
longinusmaximus 1 year ago
but I have to agree with him though. If this movement could have happened 5 years ago that would have been wonderful. But understand that it's 8 years later. Do I think that the government had a hand in the attacks of September 11th? Certainly. They gained too much from it. However, fighting this now would be illogical. We can't change the past but we can change the future. It feels like Vietnam right now, why are the citizens not behaving like it's Vietnam?
xombybutterflies 1 year ago
@xombybutterflies
Because they have been conditioned to except things like 9/11,illegal wars and lets not forget Gitmo!
You seem to think timing is a nessasry factor in getting justice for the crimes of 9/11, its not...it is PROOF! Niels Harrit and 8 other scientists found nano-thermite in the dust from the World Trade Center.
Scientist Niels Harrit, on nano-thermite in the WTC dust ( english subtitles )
/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o&feature=related
911TruthPusher 1 year ago 2
@911TruthPusher Hey I harmlessly litter-grafitti (using paper messages) 9/11 info everywhere in public-better than nothin, an keepin the word fresh!
I don't get the sense Zinn has much investigated 9/11; he's overly dismissive here, a common fault of the ignorant (I myself thought little of viewpoints outside the official report before I educated myself)
IantheLiberal 1 year ago
@911TruthPusher lets say 9-11 was planned, put in motion, and carried out by our government. Whats the point? Our government commits FAR worse atrocities on a regular basis. Dissidence is a good thing, it's vital for the betterment of the human condition. But if that dissidence has no significant existence beyond purely an academic realm; it has no real substance. Howard Zinn was 100% right. Stop focusing so much on 9-11, and focus on actual broadened social movements if you want any real change
GnomeChomsky99 1 year ago
Good question?
elvgero15 1 year ago
All the americans have been turned into sheeple. they have been fluoridated too much to think for themselves
swu880 1 year ago
@xombybutterflies People were blowing the whistle shortly after the 9-11 demolitions. It took 8 years for it to surface on an international level and to accumulate evidence of which there is a lot.
tomestubbs 1 year ago
Interesting to see how the members of a certain tribe NEVER want to hear about anything but the propaganda version when it comes to 911. Does THAT make you "think"? I know this annoys a lot of intellectuals. But why not?
lalulofi 1 year ago
The war on freedom is not "past" at all yet. It continues daily with tiring references to 911 and other phony fabrications. The audience - like most intellectuals - just love to "think" (and maybe feel decorated for being involved with intellectual concerns) And that´s it! Dare you disturb their comfort? (btw I made my degree so spare any efforts of imposing academic superiority)
lalulofi 1 year ago
get a real job
brainjamz 1 year ago
He has a point in a sense. 9/11 is only part of the paradigm, however we should not be afraid to go there.
highervis 1 year ago
"because it is very disrespectful to those that suffer from the pain of losing a loved ones or their health because of that attack"
Define dishonest debate tactics.
I do not believe in the "official" 9/11 story myself, but you are not going to convince people otherwise with such juvenile tactics like pulling the sympathy card.
Zinn is a highly educated and informed academic. This does not mean everything he says is right, but ponder his wisdom a little longer before you shoot your mouth off.
SpenceGray 1 year ago
I think the Bush cabal let 9/11 happen. It should be investigated and Bush and his cronies should be jailed for that and many other crimes. That being said, Zinn doesn't deal in conspiracies. That's not his forte. That doesn't make him a "gatekeeper." Keep in mind there's never really been a smoking gun either when it comes to 9/11, especially regarding "planned demolition." That doesn't mean that I don't put anything past our gov't. I read the Mike Ruppert timeline months after 9/11.
cadfog 1 year ago
All conspiracy theorists on this matter simply don't read enough or understand the bigger picture. They need to understand US foreign policy history to know why the US is hated in foreign countries. They seem to enjoy some false sense of kudos - seeing themselves as smart detectives who are unravelling some kind of big mystery - and if only everyone was as vigilant as they.
What Mr Zinn is saying here is simply 'GROW UP". There are so many state crimes meant to be hidden we can KNOW about.
themec 1 year ago
You need to study history and realize that all wars of conquest are founded upon false engineered pretexts such as false flag operations.
highervis 1 year ago
I think what some people don't understand is that Howard Zinn was an intellectual, not a conspiracy theorist. He felt that wasting time on conspiracy theories takes away attention from the real issues that affect all of our lives.
He wasn't searching for "truth" the way people searching for UFO's do, so it's understandable why he didn't dedicate his time to studying 9/11. A conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory, and that's that.
forsakenme720 1 year ago
Conspiracy theory is a fraudulent propagandist term. The establishment dismiss your entire world view of affluent people dominating the planet as conspiracy theory.
highervis 1 year ago
oh, and the beginning of the video is dishonest editing.
Mortonc3 1 year ago
I agree with Zinn, fanatics distort the truth no matter which side they are on. Zinn said, "that's passed" not "it's in the past." The comment was also out of context..."truth is I don't care that much about it...that's passed." I would take that to mean he has moved on from the movement just as he described in the first video.
Mortonc3 1 year ago
damn now i have to really take all of his books with a grain of salt. what happened to this dude i thoght he was the truth.
stonedpundit 1 year ago
Sayin that 911 is in the past is like saying that any unsloved crime or murder is in the past and isn't important. I can't understand this mind set! If anyone responsible for this or any other violent crime is still free, shouldn't they be brought to justice for the safety of us all and to get history correct?
simonnaylor 1 year ago
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Perhaps, it's possible that Howard Zinn simply does not want to be associated with the 9/11 truth movement. That would jeopardize all of his life-long work. He is playing fair. He agrees Bush ought to face trial for war crimes. The wars which have brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands should be the center of attention.
underthebox 1 year ago
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Perhaps, it's possible that Howard Zinn simply does not want to be associated with the 9/11 truth movement. That would jeopardize all of his life-long work. He is playing fair. He agrees Bush ought to face trial for war crimes. The wars which have brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands should be the center of attention.
underthebox 1 year ago
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Perhaps, it's possible that Howard Zinn simply does not want to be associated with the 9/11 truth movement. That would jeopardize all of his life-long work. He is playing fair. He agrees Bush ought to face trial for war crimes. The wars which have brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands should be the center of attention.
underthebox 1 year ago
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Perhaps, it's possible that Howard Zinn simply does not want to be associated with the 9/11 truth movement. That would jeopardize all of his life-long work. He is playing fair. He agrees Bush ought to face trial for war crimes. The wars which have brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands should be the center of attention.
underthebox 1 year ago
Perhaps, it's possible that Howard Zinn simply does not want to be associated with the 9/11 truth movement. That would jeopardize all of his life-long work. He is playing fair. He agrees Bush ought to face trial for war crimes. The war which has brought about the deaths of hundreds of thousands should be the center of attention.
underthebox 1 year ago
I think Zinn is playing fair. Perhaps, it is possible that he said what he said because US politics automatically discredits any claims made by 9/11 truth movement. Associating him with these "conspiracy theorists" would have jeopardized all of his life-long work. I don't think anyone of his position of great influence would ever be prepared to make such a move- that unless, of course, you were George Carlin. He is about reaching out to people that have been indoctrinated.
underthebox 1 year ago
I watched about 5 seconds of this video. Annoying. Take off the screamo shit if you want to be taken seriously.
cadfog 1 year ago 26
man u sure showed him
jazzynea 1 year ago
how can you not care about 9-11! it is the past yes but for alot of people that was what got them to wake up. a group effort one target is more affective than a scatterd one in my oppinion.
bagtek007 1 year ago
A historian CONVENIENTLY not concerned with the past? Pack in Zinn you're done.
DEAD JFK makes U laugh
while revealing the 9-11 SCAM
watch?v=8DQp0QxkBCU
2JOHNNYT 1 year ago
Are you kidding me;dudes been dead for like 3 weeks.
thirdshift47 1 year ago
they did not let that poor guy speak
TATICAMARTINEZ 1 year ago
pretty much agree with zinn
he says we have enough evidence to show how bush misused 9/11 and we do
KrasnayaArmada 1 year ago 5
What has that evidence done for us?
911TruthPusher 1 year ago
@911TruthPusher not much, but at least there was a debate on torture in guantanamo, the point of us agitating people in other countries appears is quite a bit in the mainstream
dont get me wrong i am up for another investigation but there is no reason to put down zinn for not being obsessed with 911
hes more of social/racial struggles kind of guy and has done good work in showing the open ugliness of our government
KrasnayaArmada 1 year ago 3
Hey don't get me wrong, Zinn's valuable work speaks for it self. I was just disappointing by his weird response to our appeal for support, regarding a subject that we all could agree needs a real investigation.
ps that so called debate on Gitmo has only lead to the normalization of illegal detention and illegal combatants, i really feel that a spot light on the unusual events of 9/11 would have taken that debate to a productive level.
911TruthPusher 1 year ago
This kind of iconoclasm is severly misplaced;it makes the truthers look as if they're too confused to realize who their real enemies are.
So Zinn made the misguided,unPC remark.I hardly believe that he intended to make a mockery of 9/11 anymore than Harry Reid intended to make a mockery of Obama,with his comments.
The point is that he gets the real "TRUTH"--that the formula '9/11 was an inside job' means exactly that:that until some ballsy,registered whistleblower emerges,you know shit.
thirdshift47 1 year ago