The day before Kennedy was in Dallas, Margie Barnes, Dallas Police Clerk, received an unsolicited invitation to attend the Kennedy luncheon on the day he was assassinated. She was vital. She would have heard all police transmissions before, during & after the murder of officer Tippit. She was replaced during that time by another DPD officer.
I still think he was the Badge Man shooting the rifle, or it was Roscoe White. Web search that guy. Something else. Walter Brennan was working behind the grassy knoll / fence area and said to his pastor & friends that 2 men were shooting there. Plus there was, according to Morningstar, a female witness who recognized Tippit when she went up the hill after the shooting.
Anyway, you now have an important piece of truth. It is in fact Tippit on that morgue picture. Where is JFK's body?
@10Faenor The same way you think Tippit did, Roger Craig thought he saw Oswald run down the grassy knoll jump into Mrs. Payne car AT THE SAME MOMENT Truly and the officer question Oswald at the lunch room drinking a Coke on the 2nd fl. of the TSBD. Would you be able to explain that?
@Verdelufe I was thinking of that a long time ago. I( don't know where Craig was at the moment of the shots, or at the moment Truly & the officer saw Oswald drinking the cola. Obviously at some time Oswald left the building. Craig was not giving time positions. But, I believe Craig's statements. So he says he saw Oswald going down the hill & get in Payne' Rambler after its driver whistled for him. If Oswald was in the Rambler, WTF is the bus / cab stuff from the govt? More lies & misdirection?
@10Faenor My conspiracy friend, remember you help me with Carcano rifle with strap on the bottom, Craig, Weitzman & Fritz confirmed with an affidavit that was a Mauser 7.65 and you say you believe in Craig, me too but it is CRAZY, nothing fits.The only remain is physical evidence, I told 3 days ago with 3 comments to look for the COWBOY HAT, that was one sniper nest Bowers spot from the railroad tower, go back there and post it.The badge man does not exist his head is too small, I'll prove it.
@Verdelufe Both Bowers and Ed Hoffman say at least 2 men were at the grassy knoll fence area. Hoffman said a blue jacket & black hat. He did not say what kind of hat, but in the video he mimes adjusting a brimmed hat. Ed said there was the puff of smoke from the rifle. (There is no law about cops must be in uniform when committing murders). Ed Hoffman said the FBI offered him money to shut up.
When people went up the hill nvestigate immediately after, a cop was already there warning them away.
@10Faenor Bowers said 2 rifles, 2 men on fence parallel to Elm Street adjusting a brimmed hat as a cop made the shot then threw the rifle to the other guy disguising as railroad worker these 2 made the frontal head shot to JFK. These 2 were close to Ed Hoffmam. The other 2 were at the fence perpendicular to Elm Street in front of the low white retaining wall too far for Hoffmam, these wearing Cowboy Hats might never shot cause the wall was blocking their view.
@Verdelufe Look where for what? Cowboy hats? I don't have that much of a fetish for cowboy hats. I'm more into the Mauser. The 7.65 Mauser rifles were used by at least 9 countries. So, it must be a good rifle, unlike the Italian MC crap that is stamped MADE ITALY on the stock. Mausers were made from 1891 to the early 1960's in bolt-action military rifles, as well as a semi-automatic sportsman rifles. We will never know which Mauser imports were used, or other favored rifles, by the assassins.
@10Faenor Wait a minute, we already determined that the rifle they found first was a Carcano with straps on the side. Oswald rifle Carcano had the strap on the bottom. Are you back to the same story that the Mauser was used instead, and Craig was right ? You getting nervous " don't have much fetish for cowboys hats" What you mean by that, I am just answering the point you made about Bowers and Hoffmam. You constantly denying this sniper nest which is the only physical fundamental proof.
@10Faenor Just to finalize our search. You are concentrate on the Mauser and there were none at TSBD, it was a piece of shit of a weapon the Carcano a bad shot to Governor Connally, the Limousine whatever. Your concentration for Mauser will be in vain cause the rifle that hit JFK was from the front neck & head with a rifles that nobody will ever figure out. As far as the fetish for cowboy hats, let me tell it used to be a fad, most officer wear them at the time,no one catch that
@Verdelufe The Carcano was introduced over a day later. Obviously, when conspirators want to kill any president anywhere in the world, they will not use garbage guns like the Carcano. It was a 7.65 Mauser on the 6th floor. But from which country? And what year period? And was it actually shot that day, or was it just a prop to hang Oswald? It was bolt action, so it cannot fire 2 shots in less that 1 second. 2 shots heard were that. And you are right about the hat for that period.
@Verdelufe Confusion results from listening to both civilian and government, and trying to blend them to make sense. Solution? Yes. We know the government is lying. Disregard any government information and their shills commenting on the web pages and in these rooms. ONLY put together the civilian video accounts, civilian testimonies, etc. Then it is more clear the conspiracy happened from several positions, maybe NOT including the TSBD.
@10Faenor If you want to reduce confusion look clips "Texas School Book Depository Part 1 & 2", Witnesses on Grassy Knoll & Rush to Judgement -Mark Lane. Off.Joe Smith encountered someone behind the fence who identified himself as Secret Service Agent then he mingled with the crowd. At TSBD Truly and Baker went up the floors did not see anybody else, Molina who had keys of Bldg. might hide the shooters, the elevators stalled, Lovelady=Oswald ? CIA planned everything perfectly well, it's hard.
@Verdelufe Try to understand. Things you have been told, such as Truly & Baker not seeing anyone else, may be disinformation. Same as Oswald carrying a gun in wrapping paper. The MC rifle is bogus. Probably building of a snipers nest & shots from that 6th floor window on the east side of the TSBD are bogus to keep you from knowing where all of the killers were actually stationed.
Case in point: You (are programmed to) believe Truly & Baker saw no one on the 6th floor.
@10Faenor Now you're talking, actually TSBD became a small potato, lousy weapons and lousy shooters, east window hit Connally, west window hit the curb. The real deal were the 2 shots from the front, the NECK shot from the other side of Elm street there was a sniper(see Zapruder Slow Motion after the sign JFK is pushed against the seat violently), left bullet hole in the windowshield, the HEAD shot from the fence a sniper(cop&railroad guy).the NEVER shot from the Cowboy you do not hear about.
@Verdelufe I'm thinking Kennedy was first shot somewhere in a non-vital spot. The passenger SS agent, Roy Kellerman, testimony, Warren Report: Vol. II, Page 75
Mr. Specter: "Now, did President Kennedy say anything beside, "My God, I am hit"?
RK: "That is the last words he said, sir".
This confirms JFK was shot BEFORE the throat and head shots. Otherwise, he could not speak those last 5 words of his life. No one speaks after their throat is rifle shot or brains is blasted out.
@10Faenor Looks like you did not look the Zapruder film Slow Motion, there is no such a thing the president said "My God, I am hit" she said /he said again, JFK was with his head turn to the right waving to the public before the sign, he is hit after , he could not have said anything. If you want to double check see the clip again. ALL PHYSICAL EVIDENCE The SS Roy Kellerman was too far to hear such thing.There are a lot of tales invented in the Warren Report, do you go by that, do believe it.
@Verdelufe The Z film is bogus. From the time it was taken, it was over 11 1/2 years before the public saw it as you see it. Plenty of time & tech to alter it. There is a missing part where Zapruder filmed the limo entering the corner from Houston & turning onto Elm. Connolly said the first shot was immediately after the limo turned the corner. LIFE magazine (CIA controlled) said the film was unfortunately damaged on those frames. Yea. Sure.
@10Faenor My conspiracy friend, you took the wrong path, YOU HAVE NOT CONFIRMED IF JFK was pushed against the seat, already talking about altered film if was altered making JFK being pushed then Oswald is inocent, GOT IT?,
they are not stupid, Connolly comments do not count, LBJ told him it would be dangerous to be in that limo. How much can they alter if the head of JFK was blown up in the air and everybody saw it. Please just answer YES or NO did JFK was pushed against the seat ? Would you.
@Verdelufe The film was altered. That has already been proven. It does not match other films. People are missing, or more people, compared to other films. That is the least of the proof.
Connolly's hospital bed comments count. He was told what to say. 3 shots. But during the reporters questioning he gave away the shooting started just after turning the corner. Those missing film frames. 1st shot location unknown; probable rear. JFK pushed against seat is physically a front shot. Oswald innocent.
@10Faenor It really does not matter if was altered before the neck and head shot , those last 2 shots are the ones that matter and the film was not altered on those frames, I told you those shots before NECK & HEAD were small potatoes. Even the shot that hit Connolly after the NECK shot, the frame was NOT altered. What shot was that altered, was the first shot ? where did hit? Does this shot matter, it will make a total of 4 shots.
This video also shows the hole in the windshield. No question. See where it is on the windshield? The elevation somewhat downward and to the left on its path to the throat of JFK.. So then, think of the entire picture. The front shot was NOT from the grassy knoll. Triangulation by at least 3 assassins.
Remember the impossible RED blood evidence in the morgue pic? The limo has the same fresh blood problem (over spots of JFK's real dried dark blood)
@10Faenor Secret Services Agent colaborate with WC to confirm a first shot from the TSBD and point to Oswald the one who did, NO WAY the very first shot was from the front, take a look at clip Bullets in or at Limousine you can see the hole in the windshield then they send it to Detroit, nobody knew about it again, they have a replica now, could not have a forensic. Everything we think here was planned with CIA which is a bunch of smart fellows to disguise everything.
@Verdelufe Mauser rifles have been in production since before 1900. Hundred of thousands have been produced for Turkish & Argentinian armies & other countries in the 7.65 version. There was no notes on it being WW1 or WW2 or from a particular country import of any era. Mausers came in several calibers & any can be re-sized. Including for break down rifles.
I hope everybody notices that they purposely put Craig's ugly face up to cover the rifle when the film shows clear, closeup characteristics of it. If they wanted to actually PROVE there point, they would WANT everyone to see the rifle!...but since it actually is a Mannlicher-Carcano in the film...guess what? They try to obscure it by putting up Criag's face.
FYI - This film was initially shown on WFAA-TV Dallas, mid-afternoon on 11/22/63.
@pajasa62 I agree 100% it is a Carcano 6.5 first identified but it does not change my believe that it was not Oswald who shot. He knew about the plot he was coached by CIA - David A. Phillips to order by mail with name Alex Hidell, he asked Oswald to place the rifle(rod curtain) on the 6th floor, he asked Oswald to hide in the Texas Theater because he secretly worked for the CIA. Delgado served w/LHO and said "Bad Shot" , 3 bullets in 6 seconds, the last 2 shots very close TEO, IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Your view all comes down to a wild leap from reality.
First you have ZERO proof of what you claim. If you want to introduce "phantoms" at least say it.
The very day the President is passing by his place of work someone ASKS Oswald (the ultimate subversive) to just bring his rifle to work? & run out of the building ASAP?
Delgado in 1986 accepted that Oswald HAD achieve the level of sharpshooter & "Didn't care anymore AFTER his 2nd court-martial" when trying to leave the Marines.
@pajasa62 You want 100% PROOF go to clip " Connection of CIA and LHO" with Bill O'relly , David A. Phillips CIA guy used a name of Bishop and the cuban Veciana who caught Phillips talking to Oswald survived a shot in the head. 'NO WILD LEAP FROM REALITY" and then please give your reasonable comments, do not turn into can of worms. If the Carcano was his weapon he could have taken to the 6th floor, he worked for the CIA. That is what we trying to prove here
Kind of funny that below you wrote QUOTE, "no more he said/ she said"
Yet then you base your WHOLE idea on such a thing.
Maybe you can explain how Oswald came to be ID'd by 6 people converging on a scene (the Tippet shooting) and voluntarily going to the police station to ID an INNOCENT Oswald.
Or maybe WHY he would simply hand off HIS rifle the day the President is passing by?...or WHY he'd have to flee the Depository if he was innocent?...and I don't want made up BS.
@pajasa62 YOU ARE A VERY CRAFTY GUY !!!, no more he said/she said was for 10Faenor about the strap position. You made no comments on CIA and LHO connection WHY? Or are you going to or will change the subject. Forget the 6 people who ID LHO at police St. Look for the clip "JD Tippit murder witness Aquilla Clemmons (she saw a tall & short guy),Ted Calloway who saw the shooting did not described the shooter.I'm sure you will not give any comments When you to face reality you go around the bush.
I love the standards that conspiracy theorists use for their so-called "proof"
Why does "Oswald is a CIA agent" only exist in the minds of these people and have no traction? Because it doesn't exist...it is made up. JUST LIKE THE VERY SITE WE ARE ON HERE.
DO You know ANYTHING about Ted Calloway? That he grabbed Tippet's gun & actually CHASED after Oswald with cab driver Scoggins? That he did NOT witness the shooting, but saw LHO running away with the gun? That he DID ID Oswald?
Another persuasive argument by a conspiracy theorist!
Who writes...QUOTE: "Forget the 6 people who ID Oswald at the police station" !!!!!!
Curious...WHY should we "forget them"?
Why should... sisters at home...a cab driver...a porter...a car salesman...and a waitress, all who did not know each other before the event, but whose lives converged at the Tippet scene should be forgotten? Do you know why you would say such nonsense? Because they DESTROY your silly scenarios.
Maybe you can tell me how people like the Davis sisters, Calloway, Benevides, Markam, Scoggins, Guinyard benefited from casually going along with the plot?
2 days and 3 nights in Jamaica maybe?...McDonald's gift certificates?...CERTAINLY the "researchers" in the conspiracy community must have come up with SOMETHING after 47 years.
@pajasa62 YOU ARE A MAD MAN !!! You do not make any comments about the the CONNECTION CIA & LHO, by Bill O'reilly for the 3rd time, no comments of Aquilla Clemmons, and now say out the blue the Ted Calloway run after LHO with Tippits gun very crafty. FOR THE LAST TIME ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE YOUR OPINION about David A. Phillips Connection with Oswald OR NOT ?????
The conspiracy theorist always looking for the exit sign.
You say I talk about Ted Calloway "out of the blue"???
SCROLL DOWN & see YOU brought up Calloway!
MAybe you can tell me why Clemmons was not present at the scene, was not present in the WFAA-TV photography nor any other, nor could anyone there corroborate her presence...But EVERYONE who was there becomes part of the plot!
I gave my opinion, who don't accept it yet you offer ZERO!
So do you just suggest that the "real killers" were just incredibly lucky that 6 people from different walks of life voluntarily went to the police station to ID an innocent Oswald as the killer of Officer Tippet???
Ive always believed badgeman never existed. it takes too much straining and manipulating shadows to believe that badgeman is real. Im a full time college student so life gets busy around this time with the end of the semester and final exams approaching
Ok i think i finally see what you are talking about. I can faintly make out the shapes, they do look like cowboy hats. its hard to notice details in all these grainy photgraphs we have. especially the badgeman photo, its really hard to tell whats back there.
@RCastilloTHS09 OK ! Now go and observe between 1:03 to 1:13 you going to see 3 guys standing on stairs of the Knoll keep following to the right and compare the size of the head of the 3 men with the so called badge man that does not exist his head in comparison is too tiny like cat's head on the other hand the 3 men heads are proportional in size with the Cowboy Hat face and the guy next to him holding the weapon. Rusty did notice also the rifle between them, post it, if you do. Thanks !
@RCastilloTHS09 You must be kidding, what else do you need to locate the cowboy hat. Did you pause 5:03 when is light colors, Did go to top right corner, they are left (our left) of the tree (the 2 guys). You might not have a deep sense of concentration to observe this, if you still do not find them.
What i meant by physical evidence was items like spent shell casings, weapons found at the scenes, prints left by the snipers, bullet fragments recovered from the wounds of the President and the Governor, trajectories based on the entrance and exit wounds of the men items such as this. What pieces of physical evidence like this do we have that show proof of multiple gunmen in dealey plaza
@RCastilloTHS09 I do not follow you, weapons was just the Carcano 6.5, bullets were mishandled, entrance and exit wounds were altered inside the Parkland Hospital, to have 3 to 5 shots in 6 seconds ,it is got be multiple gunmen. The only physical evidence I am asking you is to see the Cowboy Hat at 5:04 Badge Man at Grassy Knoll. I wonder Why most people dodge this question, take a look and give your opinion. If you do not believe in conspiracy we're wasting time. Is it hard to see the shadows?
cont. ... The physical evidence is the big puzzle, you just heard witness claiming all over but nothing so far the only picture is the one I sent you to look at " Badge Man at Grassy Knoll at 5:03 reducing highlights the Cowboy Hat , the sniper nest they might never made a shot but at least if proved that they real people that will confirm the conspiracy , a give a 70 % chance they are people and not shadows.
Have you take a look , when you do have your opinion. Very few has the concentration.
@RCastilloTHS09 There is no doubt that one shot at least was from the 6th floor problably hit governor Connally, another shot from a lower floor from the TSBD that hit the curb near the underpass way. From the front you can see clip Zapruder Film Slow Motion JFK being hit in the neck and pushed violently against the seat right after the sign and finally a hit in the head 99% chance the was from behind the picked fence about 30 ft. from the corner of the fence.
cont. .... When they reduced highlights check and post it and tell me if you can see a cowboy hat at top right behind the fence, a face shape below the hat a right and left shoulders on his left shoulder a black long something starting the tip of the rifle on from his left cheek, and another man wearing a hat leaning the rifle on the fence in lower position. IF THIS IS PROVED IT WILL MEAN ANOTHER SNIPER NEST AND 100 % CERTAINTY OF A CONSPIRACY. Do not forget to give your analyses and opinion.
Then who was the real assassin or assassins that did the shooting? this is where i have problems accepting the conspiracy account of the assassination. i see no united agreement by conspiracy theorists on the identities of the assassin(s). every CT seems to have a different idea of who fired the shots. this is my main issue with the conspiracy version. too many differents teams of assassins.
@RCastilloTHS09 In a conspiracy you have a bunch of different teams, no doubt there were several sniper nests all over, the total number of shots propably were 5, 2 sounded simultaneouly. The cowboy hat I am asking to take a look might never had a chance to pull the trigger because bad position but Dealy Plaza was surrounded by shooters.
cont. .... but there was pownder on his hands which were disregarded because he worked in the depository with hands moving boxes with residues. The shells around officer Tippit killed near by his roomhouse did not match LHO's revolver he carried inside the Theater. This is the most intriguing assassination ever that might have a solution someday. To confirm the conspiracy I am asking people to identify a cowboy hat at clip Badge Man at Grassy Knoll at exactlu 5:03 reducing
The questions that abound in regards to the rifle have always been confusing to me. Im actually planning to focus my research on this important piece of evidence. im currently on the fence so to speak as to was it Oswald all alone or the work of a conspiracy. in my opinion the rifle is the most important piece of evidence in the case.
@RCastilloTHS09 The only left theory you should focus is that when LHO took the curtain rods to the TSBD probably it was the Carcano 6.5 which he ordered by mail using a different name. Take a look on the clip LHO and CIA connection with Bill O'Reilly where David Phillips agent guided LHO who worked secretly for CIA ,to take all these actions included to hide in the Texas Theater. LHO knew about the plot but did not know he was going to be frame. There was no pownder
Yes I agree the rifle in the Alyea Film is a Mannlicher Carcano. I believe the false identification as a Mauser arose over the superficial similarities the Mauser and Mannlicher Carcano share. Comparing pictures of the rifle found to a 7.65 Mauser show that there are similarities that confused the officers who found the carcano. I dont believe the rifles were ever switched.
I think the "rifle" outlined in red is not a rifle at all. it cant be a mauser because i dont see a bolt on the right hand side of the rifle where the bolt on a mauser would be . It looks like the same model of police shotguns that Dallas police officers carried at that time.
@RCastilloTHS09 Thanks Rusty for your response, the assumption of this rifle being from a Dallas police officer I agree 100% but my question is did you see the difference of Mauser and a Carcano ( The Metal Plate around the trigger). Do you agree that when the Rifle was first found it was clearly a Carcano Yes or No? Why then everybody was claiming that was a Mauser. Do you see my point ?
The clips do not lie it is crystal clear that it is a Carcano. Was ever been switched the rifles ? BYE!
cont. ... There is another rifle leaning against the boxes between 3:30 to 3:40 but is lacking a telescope or maybe it has but is not visible. At what moment did they switched the rifles and start showing to the public. Craig and others were very much positive about being a MAUSER 7.65.
Now compare the 2 rifles German Mauser 7.65 & Italian Carcano 6.5 they are very similar but the Metal Plate that protects the trigger has different designs, take a look at clips "JFK assassination confirmation of the Oswald rifle" " Was Oswald get picked " The Mauser in the TSBD" By looking carefully you can see that the Italian Carcano 6.5 was the one that was found and not the Mauser
like Craig is claiming. PLEASE POST IT AND TELL ME WHERE I WENT WRONG
" TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN " Very conflicting statements from 2 people Roger Craig and Seymor Weitzmam. Craig was witness right when they found the rifle and Weitzmam was a weapon expert. Craig and Captain Fritz read 8" from the rifle Mauser 7.65 and Weitzmam confirmed it. Weitzmam claimed he was wrong later. Craig said he saw LHO coming down from the grassy knoll when LHO was at the 2nd fl. buying Coke( He sounds very convincing but this bothers me). Now compare the 2 rifles .......cont.
J.Edgar Hoover black mailed everyone into thinking it was a Carcano. Think about it, he had something on everyone. He was the only one who had enough power to cover this up. Everyone who didn't listen and "told it like it was",like Lee Bowers and Roger Craig, where killed. By propaganda everyone was bought into thinking it was a Carcano.
sounds like these shells were placed where they were found.... this case has got to be one of the sloppiest investigations i have ever seen. Alot of stuff trying to be covered up damaged this investigation... seemed the dallas police had the name of their suspect before the shooting of jfk even occured. makes you wonder.
Why is the face blocking the rifle? This is Tom Alyeas film which you find here on youtube and you find stills of that film in the internet. And all I can say: the rifle which is held up here is no Mauser, it is a Mannlicher-Carcano. Please check for yourself, compare those rifles.
Roger Craig, DPD, stated the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser. All German Mauser rifles have the 7.65 stamp on the metal. It is well known that 7.65 is a German Mauser WWII weapon.
The 7.65 Mauser was correctly identified by all 3 cops in daylight, at the same time. No way to get that wrong.
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Proof the 7.65 was identified correctly? All imported Italian Carcano 6.5mm rifles in 1963 were marked on the wood stock MADE ITALY-.
@10Faenor Analysing piece by piece, what really bothers me is that Craig, Weistzmam & Fritz confirmed first the Mauser, all news spread the word and then they changed to Carcano. When they first found the rifle on the clip The Depository Revisited #2 Alyea & clip " The mauser in the TSBD to compare the 2, you can see the metal plate around the trigger " IS A CARCANO' they first found. Original ID was NOT correct ! Compare the plates on boths rifles. Please help on this one Post it ! Thanks.
All who knew Roger Craig vouched for his character and truthfulness. Bear in mind that he is one of the many material witnesses to the Kennedy Assasination that have died under mysterious circumstances..He was also blamed for letting Jack Ruby walk down the ramp into the basement of the Dallas County Jail where moments later Ruby shot Oswald.
Can anybody identify the long arm ( rifle? / shotgun?) seen at 3:36 in the video.
It appears to be a rifle with a telescoptic sight mounted.... But if it is a scope, it wouldn't be very useful, because it appears to have very small optics.
Has anybody worked with this video and been able to determine if the gun is a rifle or a shotgun??
there is definitively a second rifle lying on the floor. some say it belonged to one of the officers searching the 6th floor -- in some other footage there are actually cops with rifles. What good officer would place his rifle in such position -- barrel pointing towards the ground ? answer: not a good officer, or the rifle does not belong to one of the cops but was also found between the boxes. i'd say there is no scope on it, it looks like the slide.
Hoover & LBJ were life long best friends and both hated JFK & RFK.
RFK confronted LBJ about rumors that LBJ had planned a coup using force & violence.You can hear it on youtube in the LBJ tapes.Interesting that RFK was killed in the final months of LBJ's presidency.
Oh, the side strap theory...more face-saving conspiracy theorist nonsense. Pure back-peddaling on the original issue because they are trapped by the Alyea film on the Mauser issue. So what do they do? Take an ambiguous, cherrypicked photo and act like they have something. As if these "plotters" not only switched, but SWITCHED AGAIN the rifle!
On par with trying to save Jean Hills credibilty by saying her "dog in the middle of the seat" story was a phantom doll given to Jackie at Love Field.
i think you're right, i bet they just left a different gun there, considering the different shells found, but maybe they placed those shells there too!
Maybe its a totally different gun than the one they found or the one the shells came from!
"There was a stuffed animal (dog) in the back seat"
Nonsense. Dallas/Ft. Worth TV have released their footage (since '83) showing Jackie going into the car (1 hand free, the other visible)...No Doll! 100's of photos/film taken of the motorcade (some elevated like Zapruder)...No Doll! (as if the SS are going to have someone hand the First Lady an unchecked object.)
AND NO, an obviously crumpled up tissue is not a doll.
Look at the Z film - Hill isn't even looking at the limo as it passes!
Sorry, but you are mistaken; Jackie was given a "Lambchop" puppet/doll by a wellwisher at the fenceline at Love Field. It is seen in several films taken as the Kennedy's entered the limo.
It's only a "this must be it" argument, the same way an OBVIOUS crumpled bloody hankerchief in the back seat is.
Watch "Hi quality footage of JFK Assassination" especially the last of the closeup versions. This is what Jean Hill was looking at...AT THE TIME. Forget the fact that Greer and Nellie Connally MUST partially obscure her view, forget the fact JFK is shot WELL BEFORE, forget the fact that she isn't even watching the limo as it approaches and passes her...where is "Lambchop" ???
@pajasa62 Jean Hill has seriously compromised her credibility...she happened to be close to the car on 11/22/1963 so she got a camera thrust into her face and she told what she thought she saw, and since then has tried to maintain credibility but at the same time changed her story. That doesn't work. I know that has nothing to do with RDC's ID of the Mauser rifle, but I am glad people are bringing these other JFK things up.
@beaviselectron Thanks for the sober response (I usually don't get that!). On 11/22, Jean Hill also said that there were 3 or 4 shots AFTER the headshot (the ONLY person to claim such nonsense)
Roger Craig is another one (to put it modestly) had a credibility problem, saying things that should have been easily corroborated by others..."the 3 shells were in a straight line no more than an inch apart, pointing in the same direction"...(like hypothetical conspirators are going to be THAT stupid!).
@pajasa62 Analysing piece by piece, what really bothers me is that Craig, Weistzmam & Fritz confirmed first the Mauser, all news spread the word and then they changed to Carcano. When they first found the rifle on the clip The Depository Revisited #2 Alyea & clip " The mauser in the TSBD to compare the 2, you can see the metal plate around the trigger " IS A CARCANO' they first found. Original ID was NOT correct ! Compare the plates on boths rifles. Please help on this one Post it ! Thanks.
@Verdelufe The rifle held up for the later FILM is a Carcano with SIDE straps (pay attention to that). Craig also said the 3 shells were lined up pointing the same way. The later FILM shows otherwise.
Remember the backyard pic of Oswald with rifle? It has BOTTOM strap attachments. Find the pic of the mail order rifle. It also has BOTTOM strap. The backyard pic shows Oswald with SQUARE chin. ALL other pics of Oswald have a ROUNDED chin.
Original ID was correct. Assholes never stop lying to us.
@10Faenor MY POINT WAS NOT ANALYSED !!! The Metal plate around the trigger I paid attention to the straps on the clip "JFK assassination confirmation on the Oswald rifle",it's from the side. The backyard picture is hard to tell, why a manufacturer will change to botton some of them? The clip " The mauser in the TSBD" you can see the PLATE on both of them. They are distinctly different, I believe in conspiracy others do not BUT IT DOES NOT MATTER NOW leave your emotions,and look VISUAL FACTS.
@10Faenor The rifle they found had a strap on the side I AGREE, the backyard picture is hard to tell if is from the side why a manufactureR will change strap on the bottom in some of them. DO YOU HAVE A VISUAL PROOF that Oswald rifle strap comes from the bottom, no more he said she said, has to be a CLEAR IMAGE.
@Verdelufe Yahoo web search. whokilledjfk(.)net/Rifle
See clearly that there is a MC rifle with bottom attachments for the leather strap. Be aware that LIFE magazine and newspapers had shown different Carcano rifles in the 1960's. And be aware the owner of TIME & LIFE magazines in 1963 was Henry Luce, high echelon CIA. He & CIA Director Dulles set security directives for the Truman White House & engaged in psyops warfare programs in the 1950's and beyond. TIME, Inc today is CIA controlled.
@10Faenor Thanks ! Good Stuff, looks like the ammo is the subject, some writing is too small. Still trying to see the bottom attachment on Oswald backyard picture.
No matter what, it was a Carcano first found and looks like it was not Oswald's
I will need more time and I will let you know, if I have any question.
@Verdelufe how can you not see the bottom attachments? Use a magnifying glass. The picture on the Kline's add is left side, 3rd rifle down. It is very clear to see these bottom attachments for the sling. Are you smart enough to understand what CIA control of the news media means? Do you get that Hoover (FBI) committed felony crimes? video: 9fqMA9YV3ks
@10Faenor I SEE IN ALL RIFLES specially the one LHO order for $12.88 the round sling mounts ON THE BOTTOM without magnifying glass. Now the rifle he is holding in the backyard I got 90% chance that is slings mounts on the bottom, only in the close up I get confused. Yes I am smart enough to understand that CIA (playing God)controled the media. I know Hoover,LBJ, Mike Wallace(LBJ buddy) committed felony crimes. They were very close. EUREKA ! then the rifle is not Oswald's. Great news. I like it
@Verdelufe Walter Rischel was a friend of Lee Bowers, the railroad worker who was run off the road and died after being drugged. Bowers had to be silenced, but he told his friends before he was murdered by the CIA vermin. 2 front side killers, not just 1.
@10Faenor The last comment is my 4 months ago, Rischel said Bowers was missing for 2 days reappeared with 1 finger missing from his hand, no hospital had that report, Insurance did not believe he died from an accident, there was no death certificate and no autopsy. He said he heard 3 shots, the last 2 too close to each other impossible to accomplish with one rifle only FBI told him to shup because he is not an expert. The list is huge of so much evidence of a plot set up by CIA , FBI, cont.....
@10Faenor cont..... LBJ , Oil Mogul, Mafia etc...... The comment Bowers made about 2 rifles been in action. One rifle I believe never had a chance to shoot. It was sniper nest that I am analysing for over 4 months and I am certain that will close this case for good. Is a physical evidence behind the fence at 5:03 make a pause when they enhance highlights you can see 2 men at top right corner. One is very visible wearing a COWBOY HAT the other guy in a lower position holding a
@10Faenor cont...... or a black long something, starting at the cowboy's left cheek going thru his shoulder leans on the fence and into the other guy hands in a lower position wearing a strange hat. You can check at " Badge Man at Grassy Knoll" most lone assassin believers say they make out a bunny. I do the analysis there and here I found 3 people who can see but most do not, see if you can. There it can be seen that the Badge Man can not exist look back comments for
@Verdelufe Tell me about blood. Your blood. Did you ever bleed on something and look at it again a few hours later? Was it still bright red or dark? If you don't remember, then stick yourself and put a couple drops of blood together on light colored leather (wallet) or plastic. Time it. How long before it turns dark because of oxidation in the open air? Goes nearly black? Do this; then tell me.
I'll open your eyes and explain YOUR scientific proof of the conspiracy.
@Verdelufe Now then, did you see the color picture of JFK on the morgue table with his head seemingly blasted open? if so, what was the COLOR of that blood on the hair and in the open wound the NEXT DAY, over 24 hours or longer when "they" snapped that picture? Uh o0hhhh!
@10Faenor It was fresh red, means someone faked the wounds to make believe was a rear shot, right ? I can not remember the name of the doctor who was an artist, he kept a low profile, and did not show up for days.
@Verdelufe Not only that. The picture labeled Kennedy on the morgue table is the cop who was shot - Jefferson Davis Tippit. I can prove this. His police friends called him "Jack". Who else was nick named Jack? Talk about planning ahead. They had a near enough double on demand to take orders to go anywhere anytime they wanted him. He could be made up to fit the 3 shots from the rear scenario, or any other wound scenario that they could pass to the gullible public.
@10Faenor Now you are going too far beyond anybody's imagination, JFK was also Jack. Are you saying that the BODY on the morgue table was Tippits's. Prove it !!!
All left side pictures. 3rd down. Does the sun make square, right angle shadows on the back of any head to hide a massive rear hole from the frontal shot? 8th down. never darkening blood.w/ straight line edges. 10th: side burns - huge difference. 9th: sideburns say Tippit - labeled as Kennedy. Hair/Wig pasted over receding hair line. back to 8th: ear damage from fall to street after shot.
@Verdelufe Why was Tippit killed? Isn't it obvious? He was Badge Man on the knoll. He had to be silenced. Web search: Tippit no matter what happens
"No matter what happens today, I want you to know I love you".
The movie theater operator said Oswald was there by 1:07. Tippit was killed by the mafia or CIA at about 1:15.
Did you see the Jack Ruby video? He knew. He all but screams the word Conspiracy. 'If Johnson wasn't vice president there would not have been an assassination".
@10Faenor No way Tippit was the Badge Man, when he said that to his son" No matter what happens today, I want you know I love you" was almost the same words Oswald said to his mistress, there were few who knew about the plot but they did not know they would be framed i.e. Tippit & Oswald.
@Verdelufe You can never go to far beyond imagination to get the truth. Remember, you already saw the bloody head picture and thought it was certainly Kennedy. Now you see the comparisons. Don't forget, that picture was provided by the government (CIA). Their pic. Another pic from these vermin is the colored pictures of the limo in the garage. Remember seeing the RED stained rear seat? After over 24 hours of blood oxidation before the pic? RED?
@10Faenor YOU ASKED ME TO FIND THE PICTURE of the mail order rifle, I look everywhere I can not find it, If it is true will change my believes in the analysis.
@Verdelufe pajasas is one of the CIA ass-wipers. What do you think he will say after you find the mail order rifle picture with bottom straps? What will the shill vermin boy say about Oswald's real chin vs the heavy square chin on ONLY the phony planted photo? pimall(.)com/nais/news/backyard(.)html
Another video reference is of Oswald's handler, George DeMohrenschildt. Video: quIz6wrseQc .This has been removed by toutube. Geotge is filmed saying Oswald liked JFK.
Weitzman on CBS in '67 and Boone in '86 readily admitted that they were referring to the "Mauser bolt-action" of the rifle ...which it had. The M/C is a bastardized weapon to begin with (Mannlicher obviously a German word). I could rattle off about a dozen of early 11/22 premature reports.
But one has to dig deeper...did Boone, Weitzman, etc. all suddenly join the conspiracy (and it's potential death sentence?) or AS THEY ADMITTED weren't necessarily trying to officially ID it.?
The June 1967 CBS special on the event showed the 2 rifles side by side. One must realize that the officers did not have that luxury! Sure! it is easy AFTER to compare the 2. As Boone said in '86 "That was a period of time when WW II surplus weapons flooded the market and I was referring to the weapon's Mauser bolt action."
I laugh when people bring up this "side strap" BS...all that is is taking a picture that's ambiguous enough to create an argument for or against a position.
Notice how clever this conspiracy bullshit video is? When they show sustained closeup images of the rifle, Craig's ugly face interferes with the view of the rifle....WHY? Cause in 45 years of the Alyea film no one, NO ONE has been able to point out characteristics of the rifle as being anything but a Mannlicher-Carcano.
Don't be fooled by this garbage...they did it for a reason and the "for profit" conspiracy crowd (Craig included) knows they have loads of customers that WANT to believe in one.
You can find a copy of the affidavit stating that is was a 7.65 mauser on the city of dallas website.Just do a google image search on "7.65mauser Texas School Book Depository".Also deputy Roger Craig was eventually murdered for speaking out about what he knew.
Thanks for all the good information you people have posted here in the comments. I didn't know you could use different size ammo in the same rifle btw.
when was this slug found, or do you mean the slug found near the manhole cover and picked up by the ss agent who put it in his pocket ?
I have heard that a bulletcase was found behind the fence, but don't know when - probably many years later. The one that James Files allegedly had bitten on :)
When was that case found ?
AND ! What is this rifle at 3:35 doing there, the one which lays on the floor ????
there was a 7.65mm slug found near the manhole which is listed in FBI's list of evidence.I've also heard reports of a .45 caliber slug found there.And there is an unknown "agent" who is pictured at the manhole who picked up a slug, he was never identified.
And yeah it looks like 2 rifles and one was a 7.65 Mauser.
"If" Oswald had fired 3 rounds at JFK there would only be 2 casings,with a bolt action rifle the 3rd would remain in the chamber. There would be no reason to eject the last shell if you just killed the President and wanted to flee the scene.There is no credible evidence that Oswald fired any shots. LBJ/CIA did it.
The only thing I have to say about 3 rounds, is that anyone who is used to a bolt action rifle, like say my wifes 30-30 hunting rifle or my 7mm bolt, is you naturely feed and eject the last round.
But I still agree though not entirely, there was a cover up.
Does this crap matter overall? don't the fact the fragments in Connally's wrist weighing more that the number of grams missing from the magic bullet totally prove the presence of a second weapon in the plaza? HELLO MEDIA!!! WAKEUP. But no, you can get ole Walter Cronkite to come out for this can you. Bunch of wimps... look what happened to Pierre Salinger with TWA 800.. Guess that's what they're afraid of. Don't blame them. No reason getting killed for a dead guy.
If you pass the background check (of course), if a private detective agency takes you on you can get what is referred to in the US as an "agency license", which allows you to function as a Private Detective doing work only for the company (no freelance); the company covers you with own its performance and surety bonds and insurance, basically vouches for you from Day One. When you have worked xx hours you can apply for your own PD license and, later, even open your own PD Agency.
MQ asks a good question: Who took the pictures of the first rifle found, and where are the pictures? Testimony and logic suggest that it was Carl Day, the same mentioned previously as refusing to swear under oath and in writing that the rifle he saw was the MC and not a Mauser. MQ, you have a good mind for details and you ask relevant questions. I am CEO of a detective agency; you can come work for me ANY TIME. You have an investigator's mind.
Work is sporadic (no one realy gets up in the morning saying, "loaf of bread, jog of milk, fill the gas tank, hire a detective"). But if you have the skills, and the interest, it is very rewarding.
I would love to do that work. In Ontario you need a license. To get it you don't need to go to school, but you need to work for a detective firm or work as security guard. Even on a sporadic basis, I would still be interested.
Hey. Maybe you should work for a newspaper and they'll let you get your own tv show, like "Seeing Things" :) Seriously wouldn't that be cool to have visions of crime scenes? you could be like those people that help the FBI.
In the film is a Carcano. But remember that the finding was a staged event for the cameras afterthefact; what we see it not "primary." Carl Day was not there at the time of the original find. Fritz, Mooney, Boone, Weitzman, Craig were there. Read Harold Weisberg's "Whitewash" series covers this based on official docs. When the Carcano/Mauser issue came up in later years, Day was asked to swear under oath and in writing that the rifle he found was the Carcano now in evidence. He refused.
Aleya did say that what he filmed was just a re-enactment. At 2:58 we see Craig looking at the rifle carried by Fritz. Was this the Carcanno or the Mauser? If the Carcanno, then why did not Craig mention it in his several interviews?
I did not know Weitzman ended up in a mental hospital, but the HSCA reported on his mental condition in the late 1970s, approx. 15 years after he found the Mauser (allegedly) and wrote an official sworn affidavit to that effect either the same day or the day immediately following. His 11/22/63 credibility is not affected by 15 years later. In his situation he has several "plus" factors: Trained observer as a cop, owned a sporting goods store, saw mauser stamp, has corroboration (Craig).
Yikes! With everybody and their brother bringing rifles to work at the TSBD, you wonder why Oswald allegedly felt he had to break one down into pieces and sneak it in.
Had he just shouldered the damned thing no one would have looked twice at him.
wait a minute>>>Why is Roger Craigs Face necessary in this video?? His image is interposed over the Rifle? And at crucial moments where the viewer can decide if the rifle retreived is a 7.65Mauser or the Italian carbine. And they had me too. Unbelievable...anything and anyone for a $.
Absolutely! The media was sealed in the building, with full, uninterfered access, filming everything with a clear closeup of the rifle and in 45 years no one can identify the rifle as anything but a Mannlicher-Carcano. Then again what do you expect from this guy? Craig is the one that says he sees Oswald leaving a sealed crime scene. Guess what? HE DOENS'T CHASE HIM! Nothing like that "for profit" conspiracy crowd (Mark Lane, Cyril Wecht, David Lifton, Oliver Stone, Jean Hill, Madeline Brown...)
Several sources that were present at that time: MC on the sixth floor...supposedly the Mauser on the sixth floor...Roy Truly's hunting rifle that he bought for his son and brought to the office a few days before...a British Enfield 303 (an excellent sniping rifle, much superior to the MC) supposedly from the top floor or the roof, brought down on film, allegedly, some say it was a shotgun, and at least one pistol (a .38 cal pistol found in a paper bag near the plaza). Sources vary.
that is not a mosuer like craig said
kenny2894spd 4 months ago
There are 2 rifles .DUH Is this relevant DUH
surgcare 7 months ago
"One Rifle or Two " - Gil Jesus show the 2 Carcano, one from LHO Backyard, straps from the bottom, the other the TSBD straps from the side. THE END.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
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:12 see the black man!!!! ????????
paulypaulification 1 year ago
sixth floor east window no shots taken from the snipers nest
cullinane8888 1 year ago
The day before Kennedy was in Dallas, Margie Barnes, Dallas Police Clerk, received an unsolicited invitation to attend the Kennedy luncheon on the day he was assassinated. She was vital. She would have heard all police transmissions before, during & after the murder of officer Tippit. She was replaced during that time by another DPD officer.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor Of course, she was replaced she was not part of the conspiracy the DPD officer was.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe
no conspiracy dude!!!!
grettoz 1 year ago
I still think he was the Badge Man shooting the rifle, or it was Roscoe White. Web search that guy. Something else. Walter Brennan was working behind the grassy knoll / fence area and said to his pastor & friends that 2 men were shooting there. Plus there was, according to Morningstar, a female witness who recognized Tippit when she went up the hill after the shooting.
Anyway, you now have an important piece of truth. It is in fact Tippit on that morgue picture. Where is JFK's body?
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor The same way you think Tippit did, Roger Craig thought he saw Oswald run down the grassy knoll jump into Mrs. Payne car AT THE SAME MOMENT Truly and the officer question Oswald at the lunch room drinking a Coke on the 2nd fl. of the TSBD. Would you be able to explain that?
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe I was thinking of that a long time ago. I( don't know where Craig was at the moment of the shots, or at the moment Truly & the officer saw Oswald drinking the cola. Obviously at some time Oswald left the building. Craig was not giving time positions. But, I believe Craig's statements. So he says he saw Oswald going down the hill & get in Payne' Rambler after its driver whistled for him. If Oswald was in the Rambler, WTF is the bus / cab stuff from the govt? More lies & misdirection?
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor My conspiracy friend, remember you help me with Carcano rifle with strap on the bottom, Craig, Weitzman & Fritz confirmed with an affidavit that was a Mauser 7.65 and you say you believe in Craig, me too but it is CRAZY, nothing fits.The only remain is physical evidence, I told 3 days ago with 3 comments to look for the COWBOY HAT, that was one sniper nest Bowers spot from the railroad tower, go back there and post it.The badge man does not exist his head is too small, I'll prove it.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Both Bowers and Ed Hoffman say at least 2 men were at the grassy knoll fence area. Hoffman said a blue jacket & black hat. He did not say what kind of hat, but in the video he mimes adjusting a brimmed hat. Ed said there was the puff of smoke from the rifle. (There is no law about cops must be in uniform when committing murders). Ed Hoffman said the FBI offered him money to shut up.
When people went up the hill nvestigate immediately after, a cop was already there warning them away.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor Bowers said 2 rifles, 2 men on fence parallel to Elm Street adjusting a brimmed hat as a cop made the shot then threw the rifle to the other guy disguising as railroad worker these 2 made the frontal head shot to JFK. These 2 were close to Ed Hoffmam. The other 2 were at the fence perpendicular to Elm Street in front of the low white retaining wall too far for Hoffmam, these wearing Cowboy Hats might never shot cause the wall was blocking their view.
ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK THERE ????
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Look where for what? Cowboy hats? I don't have that much of a fetish for cowboy hats. I'm more into the Mauser. The 7.65 Mauser rifles were used by at least 9 countries. So, it must be a good rifle, unlike the Italian MC crap that is stamped MADE ITALY on the stock. Mausers were made from 1891 to the early 1960's in bolt-action military rifles, as well as a semi-automatic sportsman rifles. We will never know which Mauser imports were used, or other favored rifles, by the assassins.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor Wait a minute, we already determined that the rifle they found first was a Carcano with straps on the side. Oswald rifle Carcano had the strap on the bottom. Are you back to the same story that the Mauser was used instead, and Craig was right ? You getting nervous " don't have much fetish for cowboys hats" What you mean by that, I am just answering the point you made about Bowers and Hoffmam. You constantly denying this sniper nest which is the only physical fundamental proof.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@10Faenor Just to finalize our search. You are concentrate on the Mauser and there were none at TSBD, it was a piece of shit of a weapon the Carcano a bad shot to Governor Connally, the Limousine whatever. Your concentration for Mauser will be in vain cause the rifle that hit JFK was from the front neck & head with a rifles that nobody will ever figure out. As far as the fetish for cowboy hats, let me tell it used to be a fad, most officer wear them at the time,no one catch that
it's weird.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe The Carcano was introduced over a day later. Obviously, when conspirators want to kill any president anywhere in the world, they will not use garbage guns like the Carcano. It was a 7.65 Mauser on the 6th floor. But from which country? And what year period? And was it actually shot that day, or was it just a prop to hang Oswald? It was bolt action, so it cannot fire 2 shots in less that 1 second. 2 shots heard were that. And you are right about the hat for that period.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor It could be a Mauser but who knows, 2 shots less than 1 second means more than one rifle, so if was Oswald he was not alone.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Confusion results from listening to both civilian and government, and trying to blend them to make sense. Solution? Yes. We know the government is lying. Disregard any government information and their shills commenting on the web pages and in these rooms. ONLY put together the civilian video accounts, civilian testimonies, etc. Then it is more clear the conspiracy happened from several positions, maybe NOT including the TSBD.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor If you want to reduce confusion look clips "Texas School Book Depository Part 1 & 2", Witnesses on Grassy Knoll & Rush to Judgement -Mark Lane. Off.Joe Smith encountered someone behind the fence who identified himself as Secret Service Agent then he mingled with the crowd. At TSBD Truly and Baker went up the floors did not see anybody else, Molina who had keys of Bldg. might hide the shooters, the elevators stalled, Lovelady=Oswald ? CIA planned everything perfectly well, it's hard.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Try to understand. Things you have been told, such as Truly & Baker not seeing anyone else, may be disinformation. Same as Oswald carrying a gun in wrapping paper. The MC rifle is bogus. Probably building of a snipers nest & shots from that 6th floor window on the east side of the TSBD are bogus to keep you from knowing where all of the killers were actually stationed.
Case in point: You (are programmed to) believe Truly & Baker saw no one on the 6th floor.
Video: 9Q22tyH3-Q0
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor Now you're talking, actually TSBD became a small potato, lousy weapons and lousy shooters, east window hit Connally, west window hit the curb. The real deal were the 2 shots from the front, the NECK shot from the other side of Elm street there was a sniper(see Zapruder Slow Motion after the sign JFK is pushed against the seat violently), left bullet hole in the windowshield, the HEAD shot from the fence a sniper(cop&railroad guy).the NEVER shot from the Cowboy you do not hear about.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe I'm thinking Kennedy was first shot somewhere in a non-vital spot. The passenger SS agent, Roy Kellerman, testimony, Warren Report: Vol. II, Page 75
Mr. Specter: "Now, did President Kennedy say anything beside, "My God, I am hit"?
RK: "That is the last words he said, sir".
This confirms JFK was shot BEFORE the throat and head shots. Otherwise, he could not speak those last 5 words of his life. No one speaks after their throat is rifle shot or brains is blasted out.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor Looks like you did not look the Zapruder film Slow Motion, there is no such a thing the president said "My God, I am hit" she said /he said again, JFK was with his head turn to the right waving to the public before the sign, he is hit after , he could not have said anything. If you want to double check see the clip again. ALL PHYSICAL EVIDENCE The SS Roy Kellerman was too far to hear such thing.There are a lot of tales invented in the Warren Report, do you go by that, do believe it.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe The Z film is bogus. From the time it was taken, it was over 11 1/2 years before the public saw it as you see it. Plenty of time & tech to alter it. There is a missing part where Zapruder filmed the limo entering the corner from Houston & turning onto Elm. Connolly said the first shot was immediately after the limo turned the corner. LIFE magazine (CIA controlled) said the film was unfortunately damaged on those frames. Yea. Sure.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor My conspiracy friend, you took the wrong path, YOU HAVE NOT CONFIRMED IF JFK was pushed against the seat, already talking about altered film if was altered making JFK being pushed then Oswald is inocent, GOT IT?,
they are not stupid, Connolly comments do not count, LBJ told him it would be dangerous to be in that limo. How much can they alter if the head of JFK was blown up in the air and everybody saw it. Please just answer YES or NO did JFK was pushed against the seat ? Would you.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe The film was altered. That has already been proven. It does not match other films. People are missing, or more people, compared to other films. That is the least of the proof.
Connolly's hospital bed comments count. He was told what to say. 3 shots. But during the reporters questioning he gave away the shooting started just after turning the corner. Those missing film frames. 1st shot location unknown; probable rear. JFK pushed against seat is physically a front shot. Oswald innocent.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor It really does not matter if was altered before the neck and head shot , those last 2 shots are the ones that matter and the film was not altered on those frames, I told you those shots before NECK & HEAD were small potatoes. Even the shot that hit Connolly after the NECK shot, the frame was NOT altered. What shot was that altered, was the first shot ? where did hit? Does this shot matter, it will make a total of 4 shots.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe More than 4 shots. Video: UtFoPCKVp-8
This video also shows the hole in the windshield. No question. See where it is on the windshield? The elevation somewhat downward and to the left on its path to the throat of JFK.. So then, think of the entire picture. The front shot was NOT from the grassy knoll. Triangulation by at least 3 assassins.
Remember the impossible RED blood evidence in the morgue pic? The limo has the same fresh blood problem (over spots of JFK's real dried dark blood)
10Faenor 1 year ago
@Verdelufe ALL frames were altered. Proven.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor Secret Services Agent colaborate with WC to confirm a first shot from the TSBD and point to Oswald the one who did, NO WAY the very first shot was from the front, take a look at clip Bullets in or at Limousine you can see the hole in the windshield then they send it to Detroit, nobody knew about it again, they have a replica now, could not have a forensic. Everything we think here was planned with CIA which is a bunch of smart fellows to disguise everything.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Mauser rifles have been in production since before 1900. Hundred of thousands have been produced for Turkish & Argentinian armies & other countries in the 7.65 version. There was no notes on it being WW1 or WW2 or from a particular country import of any era. Mausers came in several calibers & any can be re-sized. Including for break down rifles.
10Faenor 1 year ago
I hope everybody notices that they purposely put Craig's ugly face up to cover the rifle when the film shows clear, closeup characteristics of it. If they wanted to actually PROVE there point, they would WANT everyone to see the rifle!...but since it actually is a Mannlicher-Carcano in the film...guess what? They try to obscure it by putting up Criag's face.
FYI - This film was initially shown on WFAA-TV Dallas, mid-afternoon on 11/22/63.
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 I agree 100% it is a Carcano 6.5 first identified but it does not change my believe that it was not Oswald who shot. He knew about the plot he was coached by CIA - David A. Phillips to order by mail with name Alex Hidell, he asked Oswald to place the rifle(rod curtain) on the 6th floor, he asked Oswald to hide in the Texas Theater because he secretly worked for the CIA. Delgado served w/LHO and said "Bad Shot" , 3 bullets in 6 seconds, the last 2 shots very close TEO, IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe
Your view all comes down to a wild leap from reality.
First you have ZERO proof of what you claim. If you want to introduce "phantoms" at least say it.
The very day the President is passing by his place of work someone ASKS Oswald (the ultimate subversive) to just bring his rifle to work? & run out of the building ASAP?
Delgado in 1986 accepted that Oswald HAD achieve the level of sharpshooter & "Didn't care anymore AFTER his 2nd court-martial" when trying to leave the Marines.
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 You want 100% PROOF go to clip " Connection of CIA and LHO" with Bill O'relly , David A. Phillips CIA guy used a name of Bishop and the cuban Veciana who caught Phillips talking to Oswald survived a shot in the head. 'NO WILD LEAP FROM REALITY" and then please give your reasonable comments, do not turn into can of worms. If the Carcano was his weapon he could have taken to the 6th floor, he worked for the CIA. That is what we trying to prove here
if the strap is side or bottom.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe
Kind of funny that below you wrote QUOTE, "no more he said/ she said"
Yet then you base your WHOLE idea on such a thing.
Maybe you can explain how Oswald came to be ID'd by 6 people converging on a scene (the Tippet shooting) and voluntarily going to the police station to ID an INNOCENT Oswald.
Or maybe WHY he would simply hand off HIS rifle the day the President is passing by?...or WHY he'd have to flee the Depository if he was innocent?...and I don't want made up BS.
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 YOU ARE A VERY CRAFTY GUY !!!, no more he said/she said was for 10Faenor about the strap position. You made no comments on CIA and LHO connection WHY? Or are you going to or will change the subject. Forget the 6 people who ID LHO at police St. Look for the clip "JD Tippit murder witness Aquilla Clemmons (she saw a tall & short guy),Ted Calloway who saw the shooting did not described the shooter.I'm sure you will not give any comments When you to face reality you go around the bush.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe
I love the standards that conspiracy theorists use for their so-called "proof"
Why does "Oswald is a CIA agent" only exist in the minds of these people and have no traction? Because it doesn't exist...it is made up. JUST LIKE THE VERY SITE WE ARE ON HERE.
DO You know ANYTHING about Ted Calloway? That he grabbed Tippet's gun & actually CHASED after Oswald with cab driver Scoggins? That he did NOT witness the shooting, but saw LHO running away with the gun? That he DID ID Oswald?
pajasa62 1 year ago
@Verdelufe
Another persuasive argument by a conspiracy theorist!
Who writes...QUOTE: "Forget the 6 people who ID Oswald at the police station" !!!!!!
Curious...WHY should we "forget them"?
Why should... sisters at home...a cab driver...a porter...a car salesman...and a waitress, all who did not know each other before the event, but whose lives converged at the Tippet scene should be forgotten? Do you know why you would say such nonsense? Because they DESTROY your silly scenarios.
pajasa62 1 year ago
@Verdelufe
Maybe you can tell me how people like the Davis sisters, Calloway, Benevides, Markam, Scoggins, Guinyard benefited from casually going along with the plot?
2 days and 3 nights in Jamaica maybe?...McDonald's gift certificates?...CERTAINLY the "researchers" in the conspiracy community must have come up with SOMETHING after 47 years.
Pardon the sarcasm my friend.
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 YOU ARE A MAD MAN !!! You do not make any comments about the the CONNECTION CIA & LHO, by Bill O'reilly for the 3rd time, no comments of Aquilla Clemmons, and now say out the blue the Ted Calloway run after LHO with Tippits gun very crafty. FOR THE LAST TIME ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE YOUR OPINION about David A. Phillips Connection with Oswald OR NOT ?????
If you don't please do me a favor DISAPPEAR !!!!
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe
Classic.
"do me a favor DISAPPEAR"
The conspiracy theorist always looking for the exit sign.
You say I talk about Ted Calloway "out of the blue"???
SCROLL DOWN & see YOU brought up Calloway!
MAybe you can tell me why Clemmons was not present at the scene, was not present in the WFAA-TV photography nor any other, nor could anyone there corroborate her presence...But EVERYONE who was there becomes part of the plot!
I gave my opinion, who don't accept it yet you offer ZERO!
pajasa62 1 year ago
@Verdelufe
So do you just suggest that the "real killers" were just incredibly lucky that 6 people from different walks of life voluntarily went to the police station to ID an innocent Oswald as the killer of Officer Tippet???
pajasa62 1 year ago
Ive always believed badgeman never existed. it takes too much straining and manipulating shadows to believe that badgeman is real. Im a full time college student so life gets busy around this time with the end of the semester and final exams approaching
RCastilloTHS09 1 year ago
@RCastilloTHS09 I am sorry, whenever you have some time then !!!
Verdelufe 1 year ago
Ok i think i finally see what you are talking about. I can faintly make out the shapes, they do look like cowboy hats. its hard to notice details in all these grainy photgraphs we have. especially the badgeman photo, its really hard to tell whats back there.
RCastilloTHS09 1 year ago
@RCastilloTHS09 OK ! Now go and observe between 1:03 to 1:13 you going to see 3 guys standing on stairs of the Knoll keep following to the right and compare the size of the head of the 3 men with the so called badge man that does not exist his head in comparison is too tiny like cat's head on the other hand the 3 men heads are proportional in size with the Cowboy Hat face and the guy next to him holding the weapon. Rusty did notice also the rifle between them, post it, if you do. Thanks !
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@RCastilloTHS09 No answer, did you realize that the Badge Man does not exist
and the rifle, have you take a look. After these major discovery you stop in the middle.
What happened ???
Verdelufe 1 year ago
At 5:03 make a pause, I described a day or 2 ago where says 100% CERTAINTY
Verdelufe 1 year ago
can you highlight the area where you see it at? im trying to find it but i dont see it
RCastilloTHS09 1 year ago
@RCastilloTHS09 You must be kidding, what else do you need to locate the cowboy hat. Did you pause 5:03 when is light colors, Did go to top right corner, they are left (our left) of the tree (the 2 guys). You might not have a deep sense of concentration to observe this, if you still do not find them.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
i dont see anything but shadows on the knoll. i dont see a cowboy hat or anything.
RCastilloTHS09 1 year ago
What i meant by physical evidence was items like spent shell casings, weapons found at the scenes, prints left by the snipers, bullet fragments recovered from the wounds of the President and the Governor, trajectories based on the entrance and exit wounds of the men items such as this. What pieces of physical evidence like this do we have that show proof of multiple gunmen in dealey plaza
RCastilloTHS09 1 year ago
@RCastilloTHS09 I do not follow you, weapons was just the Carcano 6.5, bullets were mishandled, entrance and exit wounds were altered inside the Parkland Hospital, to have 3 to 5 shots in 6 seconds ,it is got be multiple gunmen. The only physical evidence I am asking you is to see the Cowboy Hat at 5:04 Badge Man at Grassy Knoll. I wonder Why most people dodge this question, take a look and give your opinion. If you do not believe in conspiracy we're wasting time. Is it hard to see the shadows?
Verdelufe 1 year ago
cont. ... The physical evidence is the big puzzle, you just heard witness claiming all over but nothing so far the only picture is the one I sent you to look at " Badge Man at Grassy Knoll at 5:03 reducing highlights the Cowboy Hat , the sniper nest they might never made a shot but at least if proved that they real people that will confirm the conspiracy , a give a 70 % chance they are people and not shadows.
Have you take a look , when you do have your opinion. Very few has the concentration.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
so where were the shots fired from in Dealey Plaza? and what physical evidence is there to place snipers there at the time of the shooting?
RCastilloTHS09 1 year ago
@RCastilloTHS09 There is no doubt that one shot at least was from the 6th floor problably hit governor Connally, another shot from a lower floor from the TSBD that hit the curb near the underpass way. From the front you can see clip Zapruder Film Slow Motion JFK being hit in the neck and pushed violently against the seat right after the sign and finally a hit in the head 99% chance the was from behind the picked fence about 30 ft. from the corner of the fence.
The physical evidence is ...cont.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@RCastilloTHS09 A sniper never stay in the nest, after a shot they run fast very fast, the evidence are the bullets hitting the targets or places.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
cont. .... When they reduced highlights check and post it and tell me if you can see a cowboy hat at top right behind the fence, a face shape below the hat a right and left shoulders on his left shoulder a black long something starting the tip of the rifle on from his left cheek, and another man wearing a hat leaning the rifle on the fence in lower position. IF THIS IS PROVED IT WILL MEAN ANOTHER SNIPER NEST AND 100 % CERTAINTY OF A CONSPIRACY. Do not forget to give your analyses and opinion.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
Then who was the real assassin or assassins that did the shooting? this is where i have problems accepting the conspiracy account of the assassination. i see no united agreement by conspiracy theorists on the identities of the assassin(s). every CT seems to have a different idea of who fired the shots. this is my main issue with the conspiracy version. too many differents teams of assassins.
RCastilloTHS09 1 year ago
@RCastilloTHS09 In a conspiracy you have a bunch of different teams, no doubt there were several sniper nests all over, the total number of shots propably were 5, 2 sounded simultaneouly. The cowboy hat I am asking to take a look might never had a chance to pull the trigger because bad position but Dealy Plaza was surrounded by shooters.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
cont. .... but there was pownder on his hands which were disregarded because he worked in the depository with hands moving boxes with residues. The shells around officer Tippit killed near by his roomhouse did not match LHO's revolver he carried inside the Theater. This is the most intriguing assassination ever that might have a solution someday. To confirm the conspiracy I am asking people to identify a cowboy hat at clip Badge Man at Grassy Knoll at exactlu 5:03 reducing
highlights cont...
Verdelufe 1 year ago
The questions that abound in regards to the rifle have always been confusing to me. Im actually planning to focus my research on this important piece of evidence. im currently on the fence so to speak as to was it Oswald all alone or the work of a conspiracy. in my opinion the rifle is the most important piece of evidence in the case.
RCastilloTHS09 1 year ago
@RCastilloTHS09 The only left theory you should focus is that when LHO took the curtain rods to the TSBD probably it was the Carcano 6.5 which he ordered by mail using a different name. Take a look on the clip LHO and CIA connection with Bill O'Reilly where David Phillips agent guided LHO who worked secretly for CIA ,to take all these actions included to hide in the Texas Theater. LHO knew about the plot but did not know he was going to be frame. There was no pownder
on his cheek........cont.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
Yes I agree the rifle in the Alyea Film is a Mannlicher Carcano. I believe the false identification as a Mauser arose over the superficial similarities the Mauser and Mannlicher Carcano share. Comparing pictures of the rifle found to a 7.65 Mauser show that there are similarities that confused the officers who found the carcano. I dont believe the rifles were ever switched.
RCastilloTHS09 1 year ago
@RCastilloTHS09 I agree too, they first found a Carcano and that is it.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
I think the "rifle" outlined in red is not a rifle at all. it cant be a mauser because i dont see a bolt on the right hand side of the rifle where the bolt on a mauser would be . It looks like the same model of police shotguns that Dallas police officers carried at that time.
RCastilloTHS09 1 year ago
@RCastilloTHS09 Thanks Rusty for your response, the assumption of this rifle being from a Dallas police officer I agree 100% but my question is did you see the difference of Mauser and a Carcano ( The Metal Plate around the trigger). Do you agree that when the Rifle was first found it was clearly a Carcano Yes or No? Why then everybody was claiming that was a Mauser. Do you see my point ?
The clips do not lie it is crystal clear that it is a Carcano. Was ever been switched the rifles ? BYE!
Verdelufe 1 year ago
cont. .... Also see clip " The Mauser 7.65 rifle "
Verdelufe 1 year ago
cont. ... There is another rifle leaning against the boxes between 3:30 to 3:40 but is lacking a telescope or maybe it has but is not visible. At what moment did they switched the rifles and start showing to the public. Craig and others were very much positive about being a MAUSER 7.65.
Again please post it, AM I MISSING SOMETHING ?
Verdelufe 1 year ago
Now compare the 2 rifles German Mauser 7.65 & Italian Carcano 6.5 they are very similar but the Metal Plate that protects the trigger has different designs, take a look at clips "JFK assassination confirmation of the Oswald rifle" " Was Oswald get picked " The Mauser in the TSBD" By looking carefully you can see that the Italian Carcano 6.5 was the one that was found and not the Mauser
like Craig is claiming. PLEASE POST IT AND TELL ME WHERE I WENT WRONG
BECAUSE I BELIVE IN CONSPIRACY.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
" TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN " Very conflicting statements from 2 people Roger Craig and Seymor Weitzmam. Craig was witness right when they found the rifle and Weitzmam was a weapon expert. Craig and Captain Fritz read 8" from the rifle Mauser 7.65 and Weitzmam confirmed it. Weitzmam claimed he was wrong later. Craig said he saw LHO coming down from the grassy knoll when LHO was at the 2nd fl. buying Coke( He sounds very convincing but this bothers me). Now compare the 2 rifles .......cont.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
J.Edgar Hoover black mailed everyone into thinking it was a Carcano. Think about it, he had something on everyone. He was the only one who had enough power to cover this up. Everyone who didn't listen and "told it like it was",like Lee Bowers and Roger Craig, where killed. By propaganda everyone was bought into thinking it was a Carcano.
ultimatebws4444 1 year ago
craig is only officer who had any common sense. 3 stooges could have done better job than dallas police.
willyjhopuky 1 year ago
sounds like these shells were placed where they were found.... this case has got to be one of the sloppiest investigations i have ever seen. Alot of stuff trying to be covered up damaged this investigation... seemed the dallas police had the name of their suspect before the shooting of jfk even occured. makes you wonder.
blazed24sevn 1 year ago
Why is the face blocking the rifle? This is Tom Alyeas film which you find here on youtube and you find stills of that film in the internet. And all I can say: the rifle which is held up here is no Mauser, it is a Mannlicher-Carcano. Please check for yourself, compare those rifles.
voidol 1 year ago
Roger Craig, DPD, stated the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser. All German Mauser rifles have the 7.65 stamp on the metal. It is well known that 7.65 is a German Mauser WWII weapon.
The 7.65 Mauser was correctly identified by all 3 cops in daylight, at the same time. No way to get that wrong.
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Proof the 7.65 was identified correctly? All imported Italian Carcano 6.5mm rifles in 1963 were marked on the wood stock MADE ITALY-.
Cops can never miss seeing that.
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Those words are not on any German rifle.
10Faenor 1 year ago 7
@10Faenor Analysing piece by piece, what really bothers me is that Craig, Weistzmam & Fritz confirmed first the Mauser, all news spread the word and then they changed to Carcano. When they first found the rifle on the clip The Depository Revisited #2 Alyea & clip " The mauser in the TSBD to compare the 2, you can see the metal plate around the trigger " IS A CARCANO' they first found. Original ID was NOT correct ! Compare the plates on boths rifles. Please help on this one Post it ! Thanks.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@10Faenor
well obviously they did dude...
grettoz 1 year ago
All who knew Roger Craig vouched for his character and truthfulness. Bear in mind that he is one of the many material witnesses to the Kennedy Assasination that have died under mysterious circumstances..He was also blamed for letting Jack Ruby walk down the ramp into the basement of the Dallas County Jail where moments later Ruby shot Oswald.
jrb112263 1 year ago
Roger Craig was a good man who only tried to pursue the truth.He was harassed mercifully and unjustly.
mcn1960 1 year ago
Can anybody identify the long arm ( rifle? / shotgun?) seen at 3:36 in the video.
It appears to be a rifle with a telescoptic sight mounted.... But if it is a scope, it wouldn't be very useful, because it appears to have very small optics.
Has anybody worked with this video and been able to determine if the gun is a rifle or a shotgun??
Papakochenbrot 2 years ago
there is definitively a second rifle lying on the floor. some say it belonged to one of the officers searching the 6th floor -- in some other footage there are actually cops with rifles. What good officer would place his rifle in such position -- barrel pointing towards the ground ? answer: not a good officer, or the rifle does not belong to one of the cops but was also found between the boxes. i'd say there is no scope on it, it looks like the slide.
DoubleR666 2 years ago
I agree with you and theres no way a cop would leave their rifle right by the evidence like that. Thats a good observation.
ImeldaDavies 1 year ago
Roger Craig was a decent and very honorable Man!He was harassed and killed for telling the truth.......may he rest in peace
mcn1960 2 years ago
J.Edgar Hoover and the Mafia where behind proably all the deaths as well the Kennedy assassination.
guitarislife103 2 years ago
Hoover & LBJ were life long best friends and both hated JFK & RFK.
RFK confronted LBJ about rumors that LBJ had planned a coup using force & violence.You can hear it on youtube in the LBJ tapes.Interesting that RFK was killed in the final months of LBJ's presidency.
themeaningoflife38 2 years ago
Oh, the side strap theory...more face-saving conspiracy theorist nonsense. Pure back-peddaling on the original issue because they are trapped by the Alyea film on the Mauser issue. So what do they do? Take an ambiguous, cherrypicked photo and act like they have something. As if these "plotters" not only switched, but SWITCHED AGAIN the rifle!
On par with trying to save Jean Hills credibilty by saying her "dog in the middle of the seat" story was a phantom doll given to Jackie at Love Field.
pajasa62 3 years ago 2
i think you're right, i bet they just left a different gun there, considering the different shells found, but maybe they placed those shells there too!
Maybe its a totally different gun than the one they found or the one the shells came from!
I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing...
bballer4113 2 years ago
There wqas a stuffed animal (dog) in the back seat sir.
ringtalk3 2 years ago
"There was a stuffed animal (dog) in the back seat"
Nonsense. Dallas/Ft. Worth TV have released their footage (since '83) showing Jackie going into the car (1 hand free, the other visible)...No Doll! 100's of photos/film taken of the motorcade (some elevated like Zapruder)...No Doll! (as if the SS are going to have someone hand the First Lady an unchecked object.)
AND NO, an obviously crumpled up tissue is not a doll.
Look at the Z film - Hill isn't even looking at the limo as it passes!
pajasa62 2 years ago
Sorry, but you are mistaken; Jackie was given a "Lambchop" puppet/doll by a wellwisher at the fenceline at Love Field. It is seen in several films taken as the Kennedy's entered the limo.
mansonmurders 2 years ago
It's only a "this must be it" argument, the same way an OBVIOUS crumpled bloody hankerchief in the back seat is.
Watch "Hi quality footage of JFK Assassination" especially the last of the closeup versions. This is what Jean Hill was looking at...AT THE TIME. Forget the fact that Greer and Nellie Connally MUST partially obscure her view, forget the fact JFK is shot WELL BEFORE, forget the fact that she isn't even watching the limo as it approaches and passes her...where is "Lambchop" ???
pajasa62 2 years ago
@pajasa62 Jean Hill has seriously compromised her credibility...she happened to be close to the car on 11/22/1963 so she got a camera thrust into her face and she told what she thought she saw, and since then has tried to maintain credibility but at the same time changed her story. That doesn't work. I know that has nothing to do with RDC's ID of the Mauser rifle, but I am glad people are bringing these other JFK things up.
beaviselectron 1 year ago
@beaviselectron Thanks for the sober response (I usually don't get that!). On 11/22, Jean Hill also said that there were 3 or 4 shots AFTER the headshot (the ONLY person to claim such nonsense)
Roger Craig is another one (to put it modestly) had a credibility problem, saying things that should have been easily corroborated by others..."the 3 shells were in a straight line no more than an inch apart, pointing in the same direction"...(like hypothetical conspirators are going to be THAT stupid!).
pajasa62 1 year ago
@pajasa62 Analysing piece by piece, what really bothers me is that Craig, Weistzmam & Fritz confirmed first the Mauser, all news spread the word and then they changed to Carcano. When they first found the rifle on the clip The Depository Revisited #2 Alyea & clip " The mauser in the TSBD to compare the 2, you can see the metal plate around the trigger " IS A CARCANO' they first found. Original ID was NOT correct ! Compare the plates on boths rifles. Please help on this one Post it ! Thanks.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe The rifle held up for the later FILM is a Carcano with SIDE straps (pay attention to that). Craig also said the 3 shells were lined up pointing the same way. The later FILM shows otherwise.
Remember the backyard pic of Oswald with rifle? It has BOTTOM strap attachments. Find the pic of the mail order rifle. It also has BOTTOM strap. The backyard pic shows Oswald with SQUARE chin. ALL other pics of Oswald have a ROUNDED chin.
Original ID was correct. Assholes never stop lying to us.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor MY POINT WAS NOT ANALYSED !!! The Metal plate around the trigger I paid attention to the straps on the clip "JFK assassination confirmation on the Oswald rifle",it's from the side. The backyard picture is hard to tell, why a manufacturer will change to botton some of them? The clip " The mauser in the TSBD" you can see the PLATE on both of them. They are distinctly different, I believe in conspiracy others do not BUT IT DOES NOT MATTER NOW leave your emotions,and look VISUAL FACTS.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@10Faenor The rifle they found had a strap on the side I AGREE, the backyard picture is hard to tell if is from the side why a manufactureR will change strap on the bottom in some of them. DO YOU HAVE A VISUAL PROOF that Oswald rifle strap comes from the bottom, no more he said she said, has to be a CLEAR IMAGE.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Yahoo web search. whokilledjfk(.)net/Rifle
See clearly that there is a MC rifle with bottom attachments for the leather strap. Be aware that LIFE magazine and newspapers had shown different Carcano rifles in the 1960's. And be aware the owner of TIME & LIFE magazines in 1963 was Henry Luce, high echelon CIA. He & CIA Director Dulles set security directives for the Truman White House & engaged in psyops warfare programs in the 1950's and beyond. TIME, Inc today is CIA controlled.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor Thanks ! Good Stuff, looks like the ammo is the subject, some writing is too small. Still trying to see the bottom attachment on Oswald backyard picture.
No matter what, it was a Carcano first found and looks like it was not Oswald's
I will need more time and I will let you know, if I have any question.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe how can you not see the bottom attachments? Use a magnifying glass. The picture on the Kline's add is left side, 3rd rifle down. It is very clear to see these bottom attachments for the sling. Are you smart enough to understand what CIA control of the news media means? Do you get that Hoover (FBI) committed felony crimes? video: 9fqMA9YV3ks
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor I SEE IN ALL RIFLES specially the one LHO order for $12.88 the round sling mounts ON THE BOTTOM without magnifying glass. Now the rifle he is holding in the backyard I got 90% chance that is slings mounts on the bottom, only in the close up I get confused. Yes I am smart enough to understand that CIA (playing God)controled the media. I know Hoover,LBJ, Mike Wallace(LBJ buddy) committed felony crimes. They were very close. EUREKA ! then the rifle is not Oswald's. Great news. I like it
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Walter Rischel was a friend of Lee Bowers, the railroad worker who was run off the road and died after being drugged. Bowers had to be silenced, but he told his friends before he was murdered by the CIA vermin. 2 front side killers, not just 1.
Video mcXJJsZs7LE
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor The last comment is my 4 months ago, Rischel said Bowers was missing for 2 days reappeared with 1 finger missing from his hand, no hospital had that report, Insurance did not believe he died from an accident, there was no death certificate and no autopsy. He said he heard 3 shots, the last 2 too close to each other impossible to accomplish with one rifle only FBI told him to shup because he is not an expert. The list is huge of so much evidence of a plot set up by CIA , FBI, cont.....
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@10Faenor cont..... LBJ , Oil Mogul, Mafia etc...... The comment Bowers made about 2 rifles been in action. One rifle I believe never had a chance to shoot. It was sniper nest that I am analysing for over 4 months and I am certain that will close this case for good. Is a physical evidence behind the fence at 5:03 make a pause when they enhance highlights you can see 2 men at top right corner. One is very visible wearing a COWBOY HAT the other guy in a lower position holding a
rifle cont......
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@10Faenor cont...... or a black long something, starting at the cowboy's left cheek going thru his shoulder leans on the fence and into the other guy hands in a lower position wearing a strange hat. You can check at " Badge Man at Grassy Knoll" most lone assassin believers say they make out a bunny. I do the analysis there and here I found 3 people who can see but most do not, see if you can. There it can be seen that the Badge Man can not exist look back comments for
RCastillo a week.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Tell me about blood. Your blood. Did you ever bleed on something and look at it again a few hours later? Was it still bright red or dark? If you don't remember, then stick yourself and put a couple drops of blood together on light colored leather (wallet) or plastic. Time it. How long before it turns dark because of oxidation in the open air? Goes nearly black? Do this; then tell me.
I'll open your eyes and explain YOUR scientific proof of the conspiracy.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor Did not get it, could you please go straight to the point.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe I did go straight to the point. Did you ever bleed on anything? What was the color of your blood drops or smear, hours later?
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor The answer is so obvious you could say, if you do not want to say I will
no problem , the blood gets near black, are you satisfied now ? What is the point?
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Now then, did you see the color picture of JFK on the morgue table with his head seemingly blasted open? if so, what was the COLOR of that blood on the hair and in the open wound the NEXT DAY, over 24 hours or longer when "they" snapped that picture? Uh o0hhhh!
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor It was fresh red, means someone faked the wounds to make believe was a rear shot, right ? I can not remember the name of the doctor who was an artist, he kept a low profile, and did not show up for days.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Not only that. The picture labeled Kennedy on the morgue table is the cop who was shot - Jefferson Davis Tippit. I can prove this. His police friends called him "Jack". Who else was nick named Jack? Talk about planning ahead. They had a near enough double on demand to take orders to go anywhere anytime they wanted him. He could be made up to fit the 3 shots from the rear scenario, or any other wound scenario that they could pass to the gullible public.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor Now you are going too far beyond anybody's imagination, JFK was also Jack. Are you saying that the BODY on the morgue table was Tippits's. Prove it !!!
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Go to web search: morningstar jfk
Click on: morningstar 3-2
All left side pictures. 3rd down. Does the sun make square, right angle shadows on the back of any head to hide a massive rear hole from the frontal shot? 8th down. never darkening blood.w/ straight line edges. 10th: side burns - huge difference. 9th: sideburns say Tippit - labeled as Kennedy. Hair/Wig pasted over receding hair line. back to 8th: ear damage from fall to street after shot.
7th: His brother's words.
10Faenor 1 year ago 3
@10Faenor RFK - " It doesn't look like him at all " too scary !!!
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe Why was Tippit killed? Isn't it obvious? He was Badge Man on the knoll. He had to be silenced. Web search: Tippit no matter what happens
"No matter what happens today, I want you to know I love you".
The movie theater operator said Oswald was there by 1:07. Tippit was killed by the mafia or CIA at about 1:15.
Did you see the Jack Ruby video? He knew. He all but screams the word Conspiracy. 'If Johnson wasn't vice president there would not have been an assassination".
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor No way Tippit was the Badge Man, when he said that to his son" No matter what happens today, I want you know I love you" was almost the same words Oswald said to his mistress, there were few who knew about the plot but they did not know they would be framed i.e. Tippit & Oswald.
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe You can never go to far beyond imagination to get the truth. Remember, you already saw the bloody head picture and thought it was certainly Kennedy. Now you see the comparisons. Don't forget, that picture was provided by the government (CIA). Their pic. Another pic from these vermin is the colored pictures of the limo in the garage. Remember seeing the RED stained rear seat? After over 24 hours of blood oxidation before the pic? RED?
Who went too far beyond imagination to fool you?
10Faenor 1 year ago
@10Faenor YOU ASKED ME TO FIND THE PICTURE of the mail order rifle, I look everywhere I can not find it, If it is true will change my believes in the analysis.
GIVE A HINT WHERE TO FIND THE PIC. Thanks !
Verdelufe 1 year ago
@Verdelufe pajasas is one of the CIA ass-wipers. What do you think he will say after you find the mail order rifle picture with bottom straps? What will the shill vermin boy say about Oswald's real chin vs the heavy square chin on ONLY the phony planted photo? pimall(.)com/nais/news/backyard(.)html
Another video reference is of Oswald's handler, George DeMohrenschildt. Video: quIz6wrseQc .This has been removed by toutube. Geotge is filmed saying Oswald liked JFK.
10Faenor 1 year ago
@Verdelufe
Weitzman on CBS in '67 and Boone in '86 readily admitted that they were referring to the "Mauser bolt-action" of the rifle ...which it had. The M/C is a bastardized weapon to begin with (Mannlicher obviously a German word). I could rattle off about a dozen of early 11/22 premature reports.
But one has to dig deeper...did Boone, Weitzman, etc. all suddenly join the conspiracy (and it's potential death sentence?) or AS THEY ADMITTED weren't necessarily trying to officially ID it.?
pajasa62 1 year ago
@Verdelufe
The June 1967 CBS special on the event showed the 2 rifles side by side. One must realize that the officers did not have that luxury! Sure! it is easy AFTER to compare the 2. As Boone said in '86 "That was a period of time when WW II surplus weapons flooded the market and I was referring to the weapon's Mauser bolt action."
I laugh when people bring up this "side strap" BS...all that is is taking a picture that's ambiguous enough to create an argument for or against a position.
pajasa62 1 year ago
Where Oswald get the chicken wings? Dick's Last Resort ?
brown9708 3 years ago
Notice how clever this conspiracy bullshit video is? When they show sustained closeup images of the rifle, Craig's ugly face interferes with the view of the rifle....WHY? Cause in 45 years of the Alyea film no one, NO ONE has been able to point out characteristics of the rifle as being anything but a Mannlicher-Carcano.
Don't be fooled by this garbage...they did it for a reason and the "for profit" conspiracy crowd (Craig included) knows they have loads of customers that WANT to believe in one.
pajasa62 3 years ago
That has a side strap. The rifle they show at Dallas Police Department has a bottom strap. I smell a huge conspiracy.
TheStormchaser1 3 years ago
You can find a copy of the affidavit stating that is was a 7.65 mauser on the city of dallas website.Just do a google image search on "7.65mauser Texas School Book Depository".Also deputy Roger Craig was eventually murdered for speaking out about what he knew.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago
Thanks for all the good information you people have posted here in the comments. I didn't know you could use different size ammo in the same rifle btw.
USAneedsaChange 3 years ago
there was a 7.65mm slug found on the south side of Elm st most likely from the 7.65 Mauser that Deputy Craig found on the 6th floor.
Army Intellingence Officer James Powell was also found in the TSBD building.Of course he was never questioned by anyone and was let go.
themeaningoflife38 2 years ago
"Army Intellingence Officer James Powell was also found in the TSBD building."
Reference, please.
Forsure3333 2 years ago
check out Helmer Reenberg's videos
themeaningoflife38 2 years ago
when was this slug found, or do you mean the slug found near the manhole cover and picked up by the ss agent who put it in his pocket ?
I have heard that a bulletcase was found behind the fence, but don't know when - probably many years later. The one that James Files allegedly had bitten on :)
When was that case found ?
AND ! What is this rifle at 3:35 doing there, the one which lays on the floor ????
DoubleR666 2 years ago
there was a 7.65mm slug found near the manhole which is listed in FBI's list of evidence.I've also heard reports of a .45 caliber slug found there.And there is an unknown "agent" who is pictured at the manhole who picked up a slug, he was never identified.
And yeah it looks like 2 rifles and one was a 7.65 Mauser.
themeaningoflife38 2 years ago
do you know about the bullet casing that was found behind the picket fence ? I think it was found many years later, but i don't know when.
DoubleR666 2 years ago
i heard about it but not sure of the details
themeaningoflife38 2 years ago
there was all so a bullet found on the roof of the Dal tex building years later
kennedy147 2 years ago
"there do appear to be another rifle beneath it in one sequence."
Heck yeah I say there was...but one thing to point out, both rifles can be, fitted with both types of rounds...
But I still smell a bit of dust on the cover the assassination.
jayklemer 3 years ago
"If" Oswald had fired 3 rounds at JFK there would only be 2 casings,with a bolt action rifle the 3rd would remain in the chamber. There would be no reason to eject the last shell if you just killed the President and wanted to flee the scene.There is no credible evidence that Oswald fired any shots. LBJ/CIA did it.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago
The only thing I have to say about 3 rounds, is that anyone who is used to a bolt action rifle, like say my wifes 30-30 hunting rifle or my 7mm bolt, is you naturely feed and eject the last round.
But I still agree though not entirely, there was a cover up.
jayklemer 3 years ago
Does this crap matter overall? don't the fact the fragments in Connally's wrist weighing more that the number of grams missing from the magic bullet totally prove the presence of a second weapon in the plaza? HELLO MEDIA!!! WAKEUP. But no, you can get ole Walter Cronkite to come out for this can you. Bunch of wimps... look what happened to Pierre Salinger with TWA 800.. Guess that's what they're afraid of. Don't blame them. No reason getting killed for a dead guy.
falconlem 3 years ago
If you pass the background check (of course), if a private detective agency takes you on you can get what is referred to in the US as an "agency license", which allows you to function as a Private Detective doing work only for the company (no freelance); the company covers you with own its performance and surety bonds and insurance, basically vouches for you from Day One. When you have worked xx hours you can apply for your own PD license and, later, even open your own PD Agency.
beaviselectron 3 years ago
I'm wondering if the complete Alyea film has been made public. I have not seen some of the things covered in this article:
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MisterQuebec 3 years ago
MQ asks a good question: Who took the pictures of the first rifle found, and where are the pictures? Testimony and logic suggest that it was Carl Day, the same mentioned previously as refusing to swear under oath and in writing that the rifle he saw was the MC and not a Mauser. MQ, you have a good mind for details and you ask relevant questions. I am CEO of a detective agency; you can come work for me ANY TIME. You have an investigator's mind.
beaviselectron 3 years ago
Carl Day and Robert Studebaker took photos that day.
I've been considering being a private detective. I'm in Ontario, Canada.
MisterQuebec 3 years ago
Work is sporadic (no one realy gets up in the morning saying, "loaf of bread, jog of milk, fill the gas tank, hire a detective"). But if you have the skills, and the interest, it is very rewarding.
beaviselectron 3 years ago
I would love to do that work. In Ontario you need a license. To get it you don't need to go to school, but you need to work for a detective firm or work as security guard. Even on a sporadic basis, I would still be interested.
MisterQuebec 3 years ago
Hey. Maybe you should work for a newspaper and they'll let you get your own tv show, like "Seeing Things" :) Seriously wouldn't that be cool to have visions of crime scenes? you could be like those people that help the FBI.
falconlem 3 years ago
falconlem (18 hours ago)
Hey. Maybe you should work for a newspaper and they'll let you get your own tv show, like "Seeing Things" :)
What are you talking about?
MisterQuebec 3 years ago
Craig says that photos of the Mauser were taken. Where are those photos???
MisterQuebec 3 years ago
Beaviselectron, what is the rifle type that Day is holding in this film? A Mauser or Carcanno?
MisterQuebec 3 years ago
In the film is a Carcano. But remember that the finding was a staged event for the cameras afterthefact; what we see it not "primary." Carl Day was not there at the time of the original find. Fritz, Mooney, Boone, Weitzman, Craig were there. Read Harold Weisberg's "Whitewash" series covers this based on official docs. When the Carcano/Mauser issue came up in later years, Day was asked to swear under oath and in writing that the rifle he found was the Carcano now in evidence. He refused.
beaviselectron 3 years ago
Aleya did say that what he filmed was just a re-enactment. At 2:58 we see Craig looking at the rifle carried by Fritz. Was this the Carcanno or the Mauser? If the Carcanno, then why did not Craig mention it in his several interviews?
MisterQuebec 3 years ago
I doubt that the alyea video is a "re-enactment' All of the original characters are seen in the video. Can you explain that?
Papakochenbrot 2 years ago
I did not know Weitzman ended up in a mental hospital, but the HSCA reported on his mental condition in the late 1970s, approx. 15 years after he found the Mauser (allegedly) and wrote an official sworn affidavit to that effect either the same day or the day immediately following. His 11/22/63 credibility is not affected by 15 years later. In his situation he has several "plus" factors: Trained observer as a cop, owned a sporting goods store, saw mauser stamp, has corroboration (Craig).
beaviselectron 3 years ago
Yikes! With everybody and their brother bringing rifles to work at the TSBD, you wonder why Oswald allegedly felt he had to break one down into pieces and sneak it in.
Had he just shouldered the damned thing no one would have looked twice at him.
proudfootz 3 years ago
What is the other rifle seen at 3:36?
It's not Truly who brought a Mauser in the TSBD, but another employee, Mr. Carter (not Jimmy :)
MisterQuebec 3 years ago
ohh this is an RE enactment......SORRY.
translationwiz 3 years ago
wait a minute>>>Why is Roger Craigs Face necessary in this video?? His image is interposed over the Rifle? And at crucial moments where the viewer can decide if the rifle retreived is a 7.65Mauser or the Italian carbine. And they had me too. Unbelievable...anything and anyone for a $.
translationwiz 3 years ago 2
Absolutely! The media was sealed in the building, with full, uninterfered access, filming everything with a clear closeup of the rifle and in 45 years no one can identify the rifle as anything but a Mannlicher-Carcano. Then again what do you expect from this guy? Craig is the one that says he sees Oswald leaving a sealed crime scene. Guess what? HE DOENS'T CHASE HIM! Nothing like that "for profit" conspiracy crowd (Mark Lane, Cyril Wecht, David Lifton, Oliver Stone, Jean Hill, Madeline Brown...)
pajasa62 3 years ago
Beavis: u say: "There were several guns found:" where is that statement from?
completelyinoneside 3 years ago
Several sources that were present at that time: MC on the sixth floor...supposedly the Mauser on the sixth floor...Roy Truly's hunting rifle that he bought for his son and brought to the office a few days before...a British Enfield 303 (an excellent sniping rifle, much superior to the MC) supposedly from the top floor or the roof, brought down on film, allegedly, some say it was a shotgun, and at least one pistol (a .38 cal pistol found in a paper bag near the plaza). Sources vary.
beaviselectron 3 years ago
Several mistakes in your post.
MisterQuebec 3 years ago
...and I appreciate you helping to sort them out and correct them, if they are indeed factually incorrect.
beaviselectron 3 years ago
An FBI envelope (FBI Field Office Dallas 89-43-1A-122) dated 12/2/1963 that was released in 1995 by the AssassinationsRecord Review Board ARRB.
The envelope had the following label: "7.65 shell found in Dealey Plaza on 12/02/1963 ... determined of no value and destroyed."
I'm glad someone thought to destroy this evidence before it lead to some solid answers in this murder case!
proudfootz 3 years ago