Firewalking acrossed hot coals.. shouldn't it just be walking acrossed hot coal. Or just firewalking? I figure the firewalking kinda implies to who coals thing. Unless you can firewalk acrossed water?
Ah, so THIS is why I can resist blistering water..... Not my Mind, just ordinary old physics... Every material thing comes into form BECAUSE of the Mind... ;)
Skeptics like this guy simply don't get it. There are people who have hurt themselves firewalking and those who have not. The idea behind mental preparation is to assure you that it is possible, it DOES NOT MATTER what medium is used to do so. Michael Shermer was assured that it was possible via his knowledge of chemistry, point is that he was assured it was possible and so he did so. If people use different methods (other than science) to assure themselves they can firewalk then so be it.
Actually theoretically one could be able to block out all sort of physical pain. As we know, when pain is inflicted upon the body it sends signals to the brain that makes it react "ok this is not good for the body". Basic evolutionary technique that the brain has developed. But if we would somehow be able to stop those signals to reach the brain, then it would not know that we have put our hands in fire or boiling water or whatever and thus there would be no physical reaction (i.e. pain) to feel
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now I remember why I never liked Shermer! He had +6 mins of video to discuss this, yet never has he said anything that is REALLY sciency except saying repeatedly,"its heat conductivity and heat capacity". Come on, Man! more details, please! a graph or a model for the process would have helped. Heck, If you just stuck a thermometer to the bottom or even the side of your foot, and showed ppl what the actual temperature your feet have actually been through is, NO ONE WOULD HAVE HAD A WORD TO SAY!
The interesting thing is that even the fire walking guy tried to give a physical explanation. It's the same with many of the alternative medicine guys that in the end also try to find a physical explanation why their stuff works (like all the quantum healer etc.)
It seems it only works with physics, correct or incorrect....
Well I thought a skeptic as famous as him would be smart enough to tell him to walk on something that conducts heat, but heat it as half the temperature.
Don't see the need for arguments with this person, do the above.
@moonstream330 He stepped on them too hard and his pace was fast so his feet had less time to cool and the heated coals had more time to put their heat into his skin.
Blood can take over temperature from a point of our body? Even if this ability truly exists, I will not give a shit to it until it has become an official, mrdical method used in hospitals or at least in special hospitals, like akupunkture,
So this isn't a question of believing, but of public and medical use for every citicen in cities.
MAKE THIS A METHOD IN HOSPITALS, AND THEN I WILL RESPECT THIS ABILITY!!!
@qwuezalothus This is called countercurrent exchange, which is commonly accepted among scientists. The thing is, it cannot be shown to be so effective to reduce all damage to none.
Blood can take over temperature from a point of our body? Even if this ability truly exists, I will not give a shit to it until it has become an official, mrdical method used in hospitals or at least in special hospitals, like akupunkture,
So this isn't a question of believing, but of public and medical use.
MAKE THIS A METHOD IN HOSPITALS, AND THEN I WILL RESPECT THIS ABILITY!!!
Blood can take over temperature from a point of our body? Even if this ability truly exists, I will not give a shit to it until it has become an official, mrdical method used in hospitals or at least in special hospitals, like akupunkture,
So this isn't a question of believing, but of public and medical use.
MAKE THIS A METHOD IN HOSPITALS, AND THEN I WILL RESPECT THIS ABILITY!!!
I'm disappointed in you Shermer, you could have easily 'debunked' this guys bogus mental preparation by simply making an identical sized fire-walking path beside the coals, however make this one using metal 'coals' at the exact same temperature. You could prob even cut the temp. in half to 600F and they would not get halfway across before being badly burnt, no matter the 'mental prep' Its 100% science- and this would have been proven to the crowd.
Scientists are not out trying to keep everyone in boxes. They are trying to educate people on what is known. If someone can conclusively eliminate a scientist's potential hypotheses AND provide evidence for a hypothesis that science cannot currently explain, you know what happens to them? They get Nobel Prizes for redefining science and the universe.
I like a great deal of Shermer's skepticism and scientific rationality. I hope he does something on the placebo effect. It works brilliantly for sustained periods of time in many disease states, including depression, and even works for short periods of time in disease states such as asthma and hypertension where you might expect it to be less effective.
Belief has nothing to do with it. You can jump off a building and believe all day long that the fall will not kill you but I got some sorry sad news for you, it will. This shit is borderline parlor magic, making people think it's really them that did it when it's not
The easiest way to disprove this is to ask the guy to walk on metal at 100F its 10 times cooler than the burning charcoal - I bet he will get the burn of his lifetime. Why it works is easy - although the charcoal is at 1000F 1) It can't conduct heat fast enough. 2) Its own heat capacity is low. An electrical analog to this is getting a shock from an electric teaser - the voltage (analogous to temp) may be very high but the amount of electricity (charge analogous to heat) transferred is very low.
@amiyaiitkgp Yep. Whereas I agree that the human mind is the most powerful thing in the universe, it has control only over itself. It cannot change physics.... duh..
I don't know how firewalking works--and neither does Shermer. All he does is substitute a hypothesis he likes for one he doesn't. I have stepped on ONE hot coal it stuck to my foot and I blistered. Try it, build a fire rake coals out and stick your foot in them. It burns. Whether it's physics or mind over matter, it's kind of an odd phenomenon.
It is mind over matter, as Michael Shermer says. The physicist's explanation is intellectual codswallop; he knows nothing of the laws of quantum physics. He is therefore not a true scientist but a pseudo-scientist. The mind, when focussed correctly, is the most powerful instrument in the Universe and can perform any task; the secret is to know how.
@dawes777 Who said any thing about "quantum" physics. It is is about plain ordinary thermodynamics. So Shermer does not have to know anything about quantum physics. Because it ain't about quantum physics. Did you also miss the point that he had an acutally physicist on.? Shermer never claims to be a scientist.
mental states ARE physics and DO affect the body/blood{visda versa} idiots! lol! Everything is physics and natural law. If ESP was shown to exist it would still be a matter of being governed by the alws of nature and physics. That it IS physics and natural law does'nt negate the phenomena or abilit yin itself...they both just confirm each other. Pshychology is guided by physics. It's the physics of the coals and the mental and physicological physics BOTH.
PERFECT example of why discussing things rationally with a true believer is useless: "was quick to point out that my confidence in my scientific theory of firewalking could have been what protected my feet from the hot embers." Totally impervious to the actual explanation via physics and just shifts the goalpost.
Isn't firewalking safe because it is analogous to a situation when you heat up water in a *paper* cup over fire and the paper doesn't burn? Then the bloodflow through the skin of the feet would be critical in making firewalking safe. Could any physicist confirm/disconfirm this?
the scientist example with the oven is complete bullshit the cake nor air conduct heat worth a shit, yes a metal cooking pan conducts heat as well as dry oak.
put that in ur test tube and play with it you waste of energy
@willthepill904 You seem to have absolutely no knowledge of physics....When the oven is at 320F everything including the air, cake and metal are at 320F. dry oak is as good an insulator as air. You really wanna prove something walk on metal at 100F
@willthepill904 That's the whole point you jack ass. The cake and air and WOOD do not conduct heat very well.
One other thing to note is that all firewalks are done at night. This is because if you saw what the coals looked like in the day light you would not be very impressed - because they don't really look very hot in the cold light of day. All the heat is right on the inside and they don't look very bright unless you eyes are night adapted.
...whats with all these skeptics and "not being influenced"? Are they afraid they might believe something? That their squeaky clean, untainted perception is going to be tainted? That they're going to go insane?
My grandfather used to go into a trance and hold his finger in a candle for longer than a minute...he also used to take his BPM down to like 10, and got the nurses running into his room, for a laugh...
I've walked on fire 3 times and I can tell you that you CAN get burned. The first time I didn't feel a thing, it was like walking on popcorn. The second time I could feel the heat but wasn't burned. The third time I took the first step and felt a coal burn a spot on my foot, I changed my emotional state and made it across the rest of the fire. When I got to the other side I had a burn spot on my foot, by the next day it was gone.
His explanation was that blood conducted the heat and spread it around the body so as to not burn your feet, but if this was the case then wouldn't blood remove heat from your feet no matter what happened?
I am wondering at this point wheter or not this works with all kinds of fire remains. Here, it was wood, and the heat conductivity of wood is (I know from expierience) really bad.
However, I am wondering how it would be with other kinds of coal for instance. (And yes, I dare that firewalking seminar dude to do this with a 1000°C hot steel plate... Not that I think he is actually stupid enough to do it)
The point of firewalking is to conquer your fear of it. It's fucking scary. Like skydiving. Bungee jumping. Regardless of whether u know the science it's still fucking scary, and you feel fucking cool when you've gotten over your fear and done it
@Mithcoriel if the strip of hot coals is long enough you would burn surely... imagine it like a really hot tea cup....if you touch it a short time your hand just gets warmer, if you touch it too long you would hurt yourself
We had a pig once, he was a very intelligent pig. He could do tricks and we taught it to fire walk. When it died we decided to sipt roadt it. Well why waste it, its what Oink would have wanted. But low and behold, i'll be fucked if we could get it to cook. We turned that Hogmeister to full heat but good old Oink remained as pink as a newborn piglet. I tell ya, firewalking is magic!
after the 4 min. mile many people did it too, broke the record, but the record was belief loaded. Once the beliefs are adjusted the activity is many times easier. As Shermer sat in his car loading up on disgust and angst and anger his main thought was if they can, i can..... and that a powerful belief driven action. Kudos Shermer for proving the benefits of the mind = )
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The protocol when administering medication to patients with depression is to try a placebo first (like a sugar pill) because this, in a lot of cases, work. OK, so doc is about to hand over the placebo to the patient, claiming it's the 'real deal' when along comes Michael Shermer. He approaches the doctor and patient, knocks the pills to the floor and reveals that it's not medication. The patient then goes on the proper medication, has side effects and develops more problems. Way to go Michael :)
It's probably a combination of both. If you're positive you have a good state of mind to move across them and have good circulation to keep your skin unburned, but if you're nervous then you'll probably move slowly and give the coals more time to transfer heat into your feet and burn you.
Maybe some people get burned because they don't move fast enough ;-p I can put a match out with my fingers, easy. I can swipe my hand through a flame, no sweat. If I held open fire to my flesh then it'll burn. Fun video.
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@signatureinthecell: You're either completely deluded or completely biased. Maybe both. You think Shermer got "his ass handed to him"??? I defy you to explain exactly in this whirlwind of circular logic, Michael Shermer gets his "ass handed to him". The base-level, fundamental "default to god" question went unanswered...as usual. "1: The universe is so complex. It must have been designed." 2.: OK. but how do you know WHO or WHAT designed it?" Never answered. Never even attempted.
For people who think still think this is mind over matter, why don't you try walking on a ten foot long plate of iron on top of the coals. Just think really hard, and BELIEVE you can do it. The fact is you can't. The coals are safe BEFORE you walk on them. If it was mind over matter you could walk across anything that is hot, which of course you can't. Its funny how people cling to their irrational beliefs even after they are shown the truth.
I did look it up, guess what? Youre full of shit. You make a claim and you don't even look it up first. It is impossible to walk across a ten foot piece of iron. If it wasn't then why don't any of these firewalking goofs do it. Thats because it is impossible. You are living in world of make-believe. Maybe you should try heating up a cast iron frying pan and stand on it. LOL. Of course you wont because you know it is impossible too. You just don't think before you talk. Idiot.
I am a physicist myself. And I walked the fire. I knew that nothing could happen to my feet. It still took a lot of balls to actually take the first step. From then on it was a piece of cake.
So there is a psychological element: It does change your attitude ONCE you have done it.
Makes it far more easy for you to take many first steps, once you are convinced that it is safe. And this matters, because many safe things still take balls to begin.
I have stepped on single coals from out of a campfire and gotten blisters on my bare feet--from one coal. Ouch. So I don't think the 'it's simple physics' explanation holds much...heat.
If coals are poor conductors of heat, pull just one out of a fire and hold it for two or three seconds in your bare fingers...
Well Michael, you are missing the point, Its about over coming things you belief as impossible, and over coming them, just a metaphor, of lifes chellenges
All you have proved is how closed minded you are, and suffering from "Know It All Iteuss" a crippling disease
Why not do a You Tube on Limiting Beliefs which would be of use to many people
@Rogerlowrey2222: Those disproved always accuse the dis-prover of having a "closed mind" or being a "know-it-all". It's a weak defense and completely transparent. Of all the well-known skeptics, Shermer is the most objective, most fair of all. I don't think he's missed any point at all. He set out to prove that the immunity to harm in fire-walking was a matter of physics rather than a matter of mind power, and he succeeded conclusively. You're just upset because he's proved you a fool.
@AceSkepTik AHAH! 'set out to PROVE" Bias! Bias! What kind of objectivity is that? But yes, Shermer is quite modest, he admits his ignorance, but still gets testy when people push him to come to an "intuitive" answer, ie one that "comes from the heart" not one that has him pouring over literature for a fortnite.
I bet if he kidnapped someone and threw them on the coals, they would scream. What you believe matters, how you believe it, doesn't.
@AceSkepTik quite honestly, it is whatever you want to believe. your belief in shermer will just be a self fulfilling prophecy for you. try truly believing something else for a day or two and you may surprise yourself. i know i surprised myself. i used to be staunchly entrenched in my beliefs until i let go of them and saw that reality is more defined by what i "know" than anything
@MrIlikebigdick I'd love to see these people stand in the fire. It'll be a completely different story when the coals have the time to actually transfer the heat.
@Kruezoraxe thats too much of a leap for most people who have a low level of consciousness. there are very few people in the world who can do that but it is possible; however, only if you think its possible will you see it happening in your reality. look up the many worlds theory. maybe it will kick your ignorance in the balls and allow you to see the "truth"
@MrIlikebigdick I know the many world's theory and think it's an interesting interpretation of quantum physics. Considering the abundance of ignorance we have about Dark Matter, who knows what the universe actually is.
But it has nothing to do with people "breaking" contemporary laws of physics. Please send me videos of individuals doing that, I will be most intrigued.
Also, please don't insult me. I didn't insult you, I just postulated an experiment to eliminate a confounding factor.
@Kruezoraxe well, i dont have any direct videos, however, ive experienced enough in my life to know that consciousness affects reality. this will probably sound crazy to you, but i have caused people to do things and say certain things just by my will and expectation. i have also known when small things were going to happen just through intuition that i could not have known through any conventional means. and i am not sure if this is legitimate, but its the best vid ive found: vvvvvvvvvvv
@MrIlikebigdick Well that's fine, but that doesn't mean people can break laws of physics simply by believing it. It has been found that social dominance is a very powerful thing and people can pick up on subtle cues. It is possible that you've been influencing them purely by body language and voice tone that even you were not aware of. You're right consciousness does affect reality, but assumptions also affect conclusions. Simple explanations are more likely than convoluted ones.
@Kruezoraxe i can see how you'd think that, but some of the things i have "caused" to happen are not based on anything concrete. just recently actually i was listening to someone whom i didnt know give a speech and they said something about lions, then all of a sudden i had a deep feeling that he meant tigers instead, and he then fumbled with his words a bit and corrected himself as having meant tigers instead of lions. there was no way that i couldve "guessed" he meant that through inference
@MrIlikebigdick Oddly enough, I am actually a psychological researcher in disfluencies which are any error in speech. And it has been found that people are very good at knowing when people are unsure of their words and they're decent at knowing likely accurate candidates. 2 possibilities. One: you picked up on subtle uncertainties and came up with a viable alternative (unlikely though) Two: This kind of thing happens often you remember the time you "hit" and forget the "misses" (very likely)
@Kruezoraxe i dont think youre being a dick at all. in fact, you seem like a very reasonable and educated person just trying to find the truth, and i see what youre saying. i have also considered the hit or miss selective memory theory, and it seems to apply to me in some cases. however, after something like this happens to me, i can usually tell if it was "real" or not through analysis of how i felt during the occurrence. if i felt surprised that it was happening, it wasn't caused by my
@MrIlikebigdick As a scientist, I am highly trained to look for confounds, which are alternative explanations of effects. I am not trying to be a dick. For all I know, what you are saying is real. But before I go that route, I try my absolute hardest to explain the phenomenon by natural means.
It's like UFOs. I 100% believe in the possibility of alien life and I believe that there is a huge possibility of their visiting our world. But I'm not going to believe "every" report is a real sighting.
@Kruezoraxe awareness of my consciousness and my will, but was a coincidence. if, however, i felt that it was definitely going to happen and that i was in control, it was the real thing. the reason i think that this is a good analysis technique, is because every time that ive had no doubts, i have always been able to cause what i want to happen, to happen. however, you definitely could be right, also. im still in the stages of deciding upon what's really true even though im pretty deep in this
As for your intuition, it is possible that you have a heightened observational abilities. Since women have a heightened sense of observation in comparison to men, most researchers speculate that women's intuition is just that. A heightened observational sense. The fact that they "just know" is testament to the automaticity of observation. Like I said, simple explanations before convoluted ones. Occam's Razor is a very important rule of thumb to follow.
@Kruezoraxe thats really just one of the thousands of examples that i could give you, but i think its a great on because i had been thinking about tigers all day before that happened (that may sound odd, but theres a reason) which leads me to believe that i "caused" him to change his remark. also, i had a very enlightening experience the night before and was in good connection to my thoughts and how i felt about them. there was no reason i couldve observed that would've caused the change
@MrIlikebigdick Have the ever had the experience of thinking about a friend of yours...and then nothing happens? Of course. But people always remember the times they've thought about a friend and then the friend calls them. Same thing here
Not saying you're wrong, just offering a viable possibility. Keep that idea in mind. The remembering the hits and forgetting the misses. If there is something going on that I can't explain, nothing will change. If it can be explained, it's good you found out
@MrIlikebigdick Anyway, it's been great talking to you but I have to get back to work on some data analysis. I wish you the best of luck and honestly I hope you're right. Because when physicists do find out this information, it'll blow the roof off modern science.
@Kruezoraxe also, id just like to add that before what i explained had happened to me, i was a complete atheist modern day science zealot. now, i believe in the scientific method still, which is what i use loosely to base my beliefs off of, but i dont necessarily believe in the solidity of scientific discoveries
@MrIlikebigdick It's never good to be a zealot of anything. So it's good that your mind is open to science being wrong which we've always been and always will be. Science is on the best path I know of to be less wrong than anyone else.
But I think you should cling strongly to the scientific method. It's a great sieve for knowledge. If you find a confound in a observational conclusion, or hear an anecdote, make sure you've ruled out all possibilities before venturing into unknown metaphysics.
"Break through your limiting beliefs" HA I'd like to see this same fire walk done on a same length steel mesh that has also been heating to 1000 degrees... I would $100 to see him go first... and also tape the whole thing ahha!
Yes, that would be some sight to see. Coal is just a poor conductor of heat. If you were to walk on hot lava rocks, it would be a very painful and toasty walk. The mental preparation just builds confidence in an individual. The fact that people have done it before can build even more confidence. If it is mental power that protects people, why don't they ever use lava rock or use a hot sheet of steel instead of coal and/or burning amber?
Oh and im canadian so the change would be more like 1800 degrees fahrenheit from the water to the coal, or in other words if the coal was 1000 degrees F and you needed to cool a total of 1 mm of coal about the area of your foot, you would lose about .6mm of moisture off your foot through vaporization.
Kinda like if you know someone who lit the barbecue incorrectly by turning on the gas and then struggling to get the match going, ending up with a big poof of fire and their eyebrows and some hair gone. I wouldn't try this it is Extremely dangerous. But their skin may not be damaged at all because the moisture on it was flashed.
Whats probably happening is similar to the jelly you put on your skin before stun men light themselves on fire. So there are several factors.
there is moisture on your skin, IE sweat.
Water has a relatively high heat capacity, that means it takes a lot of energy to heat water up 1 degree. The coal (as stated so i assume true) has a low heat capacity. That means It takes very little energy to heat up 1 degree. IE if steel has a heat capacity of .1 while water has 4.1 then to heat the water
with a heat capacity of 4 for water, vs .3 for coal, and your temp of your foot being at 25 degrees, turning to steam at 100 degrees. For the water on your foot to vaporize the coal would drop 75x4/.3 = about 1000 degrees.
With bad heat conductivity you wouldn't need to cool much more then a very thin layer of the surface of the coal, so you would only lose a thin layer of moisture on your foot.
Fire walking is always over a distance of about 10/12 feet. When the distance is doubled people always get burned, because the fluid which gets pulled to the surface of the feet to initially protect them gets drawn out by the heat, and no longer protects them.
Its not about whether one can burn his/her feet by walking on fire but whether one feels more confident and motivated after walking on it This so called ritual is basically trying to instill fear in the person of burning his/her feet and then pushing him/her to overcome it. I am more interested to know whether such techniques help mentally or in any other way to boost the confidence/morale of a person when he/she confronts daily life problems and fears.
And yes this is no different than bungee jumping etc but here there is no mental comfort of having to know your are attached with that safety line. Perhaps a physicist may have that because he knows his feet wont burn yet for a common person its the final experience of feeling and overcoming his/her fear that matters.
I'd like to firewalk, but I'd like to bungee-jump as well, and if I'm bungee-jumping, I don't care how positive my thoughts are, if that rope doesn't hold, it doesn't hold :P
I can imagine how firewalking mysticism came about, some douche propapbly wasn't watching were he was going stepped on hot coals, realize it wasn't hot, then before anybody else saw, he told people he stepped on the hot coals using "magic" powers, and the only way they could learn these powers was if they give him whatever currency they used in return for learning these secrets.
the UFO video shermer on Larry King Live, is systematically removing our pro ET-UFO posts, and within minutes 5-10 negative ratings. We are really putting it to the shermer machine, and somebody(guess who) doesn't like it.
*the UFO video shermer on Larry King Live, is systematically removing our pro ET-UFO posts" no he is not as you well know! because the thread owner has to be online and he hasn't for two weeks, look at his profile! dahur has a hidden agenda of some kind, because he has bought into the "UFO" myth lock, stock and barrel! Just look at his other posts elsewhere!
If you want to impress me, then let's have a controlled experiment where someone stands on the hot ashes for about a minute, of course they should be given time to mentally prepare first.
Can anyone explain to me what is the diff between firewalking and BBQ? Cuz I tried holding my hand over the charcoal, and yeah, I roasted my hand. So how does walking over it change the effect???
Not strictly true. Coal != charcoal. Charcoal can be obtain by burning wood in a certain manner.
Anyway, I feel so cheated. If it is just actually tinder-like burnt wood, then obviously it won't actually burn a person. I always tot they used actual charcoals.
This is a good mental exercise, and it demonstrates that it's not as dangerous as it looks. It's not the mental state that prevents burns though, it's just physics.
Firewalking acrossed hot coals.. shouldn't it just be walking acrossed hot coal. Or just firewalking? I figure the firewalking kinda implies to who coals thing. Unless you can firewalk acrossed water?
kober2875 1 week ago
@kober2875 Could be a gas jet...
croutonfada 2 days ago
Psh. Now try walking on legos.
tailblaze101 2 months ago 7
How about we try this with a 1000 degree iron sheet? ^^
GenericAccountLol 2 months ago
Ah, so THIS is why I can resist blistering water..... Not my Mind, just ordinary old physics... Every material thing comes into form BECAUSE of the Mind... ;)
blackneos940 2 months ago
Skeptics like this guy simply don't get it. There are people who have hurt themselves firewalking and those who have not. The idea behind mental preparation is to assure you that it is possible, it DOES NOT MATTER what medium is used to do so. Michael Shermer was assured that it was possible via his knowledge of chemistry, point is that he was assured it was possible and so he did so. If people use different methods (other than science) to assure themselves they can firewalk then so be it.
CerebralPrince10 3 months ago
Actually theoretically one could be able to block out all sort of physical pain. As we know, when pain is inflicted upon the body it sends signals to the brain that makes it react "ok this is not good for the body". Basic evolutionary technique that the brain has developed. But if we would somehow be able to stop those signals to reach the brain, then it would not know that we have put our hands in fire or boiling water or whatever and thus there would be no physical reaction (i.e. pain) to feel
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
ad hoc fail
fcdog555 4 months ago
how the fuck did i end up here???
robicho95 4 months ago 2
now I remember why I never liked Shermer! He had +6 mins of video to discuss this, yet never has he said anything that is REALLY sciency except saying repeatedly,"its heat conductivity and heat capacity". Come on, Man! more details, please! a graph or a model for the process would have helped. Heck, If you just stuck a thermometer to the bottom or even the side of your foot, and showed ppl what the actual temperature your feet have actually been through is, NO ONE WOULD HAVE HAD A WORD TO SAY!
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gurubesarisa 5 months ago
If you look - the coals on the top are black and not glowing, they are ashed, if they raked it and then did it, they would be fried lol
headphones222 5 months ago
LoL - Hasnt this guy ever touched a red got coal? I have... It burns for sure...
headphones222 5 months ago
The interesting thing is that even the fire walking guy tried to give a physical explanation. It's the same with many of the alternative medicine guys that in the end also try to find a physical explanation why their stuff works (like all the quantum healer etc.)
It seems it only works with physics, correct or incorrect....
thargor2k 5 months ago
I wish MIchael Shermer would do a show on Shaolin monks. Chi and incredible demonstrations that they do.
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Well I thought a skeptic as famous as him would be smart enough to tell him to walk on something that conducts heat, but heat it as half the temperature.
Don't see the need for arguments with this person, do the above.
thekult123 6 months ago
@moonstream330 He stepped on them too hard and his pace was fast so his feet had less time to cool and the heated coals had more time to put their heat into his skin.
BwooHuraca 6 months ago
Hehe. "MythBusters" also busted the firewalking and showed that anyone can do it without any hocus-pocus at all.: )
winterstellar 6 months ago
Blood can take over temperature from a point of our body? Even if this ability truly exists, I will not give a shit to it until it has become an official, mrdical method used in hospitals or at least in special hospitals, like akupunkture,
So this isn't a question of believing, but of public and medical use for every citicen in cities.
MAKE THIS A METHOD IN HOSPITALS, AND THEN I WILL RESPECT THIS ABILITY!!!
qwuezalothus 7 months ago
@qwuezalothus This is called countercurrent exchange, which is commonly accepted among scientists. The thing is, it cannot be shown to be so effective to reduce all damage to none.
FarazR2 6 months ago
@FarazR2
Aham.
qwuezalothus 6 months ago
Blood can take over temperature from a point of our body? Even if this ability truly exists, I will not give a shit to it until it has become an official, mrdical method used in hospitals or at least in special hospitals, like akupunkture,
So this isn't a question of believing, but of public and medical use.
MAKE THIS A METHOD IN HOSPITALS, AND THEN I WILL RESPECT THIS ABILITY!!!
qwuezalothus 7 months ago
Blood can take over temperature from a point of our body? Even if this ability truly exists, I will not give a shit to it until it has become an official, mrdical method used in hospitals or at least in special hospitals, like akupunkture,
So this isn't a question of believing, but of public and medical use.
MAKE THIS A METHOD IN HOSPITALS, AND THEN I WILL RESPECT THIS ABILITY!!!
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fuckmania07 7 months ago
I'm disappointed in you Shermer, you could have easily 'debunked' this guys bogus mental preparation by simply making an identical sized fire-walking path beside the coals, however make this one using metal 'coals' at the exact same temperature. You could prob even cut the temp. in half to 600F and they would not get halfway across before being badly burnt, no matter the 'mental prep' Its 100% science- and this would have been proven to the crowd.
mikekoz68 8 months ago
@mikekoz68 Good point, but I think there are laws against that!
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MrIlikebigdick 8 months ago
Scientists are not out trying to keep everyone in boxes. They are trying to educate people on what is known. If someone can conclusively eliminate a scientist's potential hypotheses AND provide evidence for a hypothesis that science cannot currently explain, you know what happens to them? They get Nobel Prizes for redefining science and the universe.
Kruezoraxe 8 months ago
I like a great deal of Shermer's skepticism and scientific rationality. I hope he does something on the placebo effect. It works brilliantly for sustained periods of time in many disease states, including depression, and even works for short periods of time in disease states such as asthma and hypertension where you might expect it to be less effective.
ALTERED13TH 8 months ago
Whether you're a physicist and you "believe" in the laws of physics. HAHA
So that's why the Wile E. Coyote could just walk into thin air.
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tilemacro 8 months ago
i went in there and ask for a raise didn't get it maybe i should do the fire walk?
aquafishsoup 9 months ago
Belief has nothing to do with it. You can jump off a building and believe all day long that the fall will not kill you but I got some sorry sad news for you, it will. This shit is borderline parlor magic, making people think it's really them that did it when it's not
rudemood2011 9 months ago
I am not sure I'dhave the nerve to step in. But i'd like to get a chance to test myself.
ilr61 9 months ago
The easiest way to disprove this is to ask the guy to walk on metal at 100F its 10 times cooler than the burning charcoal - I bet he will get the burn of his lifetime. Why it works is easy - although the charcoal is at 1000F 1) It can't conduct heat fast enough. 2) Its own heat capacity is low. An electrical analog to this is getting a shock from an electric teaser - the voltage (analogous to temp) may be very high but the amount of electricity (charge analogous to heat) transferred is very low.
amiyaiitkgp 9 months ago
@amiyaiitkgp Yep. Whereas I agree that the human mind is the most powerful thing in the universe, it has control only over itself. It cannot change physics.... duh..
tpstrat14 9 months ago
I don't know how firewalking works--and neither does Shermer. All he does is substitute a hypothesis he likes for one he doesn't. I have stepped on ONE hot coal it stuck to my foot and I blistered. Try it, build a fire rake coals out and stick your foot in them. It burns. Whether it's physics or mind over matter, it's kind of an odd phenomenon.
carloscarlos13 10 months ago
It is mind over matter, as Michael Shermer says. The physicist's explanation is intellectual codswallop; he knows nothing of the laws of quantum physics. He is therefore not a true scientist but a pseudo-scientist. The mind, when focussed correctly, is the most powerful instrument in the Universe and can perform any task; the secret is to know how.
dawes777 10 months ago
@dawes777 Who said any thing about "quantum" physics. It is is about plain ordinary thermodynamics. So Shermer does not have to know anything about quantum physics. Because it ain't about quantum physics. Did you also miss the point that he had an acutally physicist on.? Shermer never claims to be a scientist.
thettguy 9 months ago
@dawes777 i completely agree and have proven it to myself many times
MrIlikebigdick 9 months ago
mental states ARE physics and DO affect the body/blood{visda versa} idiots! lol! Everything is physics and natural law. If ESP was shown to exist it would still be a matter of being governed by the alws of nature and physics. That it IS physics and natural law does'nt negate the phenomena or abilit yin itself...they both just confirm each other. Pshychology is guided by physics. It's the physics of the coals and the mental and physicological physics BOTH.
Iconoclastithon 10 months ago
PERFECT example of why discussing things rationally with a true believer is useless: "was quick to point out that my confidence in my scientific theory of firewalking could have been what protected my feet from the hot embers." Totally impervious to the actual explanation via physics and just shifts the goalpost.
BillKiernan 11 months ago
Isn't firewalking safe because it is analogous to a situation when you heat up water in a *paper* cup over fire and the paper doesn't burn? Then the bloodflow through the skin of the feet would be critical in making firewalking safe. Could any physicist confirm/disconfirm this?
leszek1000 11 months ago
YES YES YES YES YES YES ! *Walks on fire* UGH, FUCK, OUCH, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!! *foot burns down to bare bone* HOLLY SHIT!
WyteMajik37 11 months ago
YES YES YES YES YES! *Walks on fire* Shit, Fuck, OUCH, OMFG, NOOOOOOO!*
WyteMajik37 11 months ago
Hey you white bold guy do it with lava !
U2BONO360 11 months ago
the scientist example with the oven is complete bullshit the cake nor air conduct heat worth a shit, yes a metal cooking pan conducts heat as well as dry oak.
put that in ur test tube and play with it you waste of energy
willthepill904 1 year ago
@willthepill904 You seem to have absolutely no knowledge of physics....When the oven is at 320F everything including the air, cake and metal are at 320F. dry oak is as good an insulator as air. You really wanna prove something walk on metal at 100F
amiyaiitkgp 9 months ago
@willthepill904 That's the whole point you jack ass. The cake and air and WOOD do not conduct heat very well.
One other thing to note is that all firewalks are done at night. This is because if you saw what the coals looked like in the day light you would not be very impressed - because they don't really look very hot in the cold light of day. All the heat is right on the inside and they don't look very bright unless you eyes are night adapted.
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ACHIEVERSEVENTS 1 year ago
...whats with all these skeptics and "not being influenced"? Are they afraid they might believe something? That their squeaky clean, untainted perception is going to be tainted? That they're going to go insane?
My grandfather used to go into a trance and hold his finger in a candle for longer than a minute...he also used to take his BPM down to like 10, and got the nurses running into his room, for a laugh...
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
I've walked on fire 3 times and I can tell you that you CAN get burned. The first time I didn't feel a thing, it was like walking on popcorn. The second time I could feel the heat but wasn't burned. The third time I took the first step and felt a coal burn a spot on my foot, I changed my emotional state and made it across the rest of the fire. When I got to the other side I had a burn spot on my foot, by the next day it was gone.
UnixCommando 1 year ago
His explanation was that blood conducted the heat and spread it around the body so as to not burn your feet, but if this was the case then wouldn't blood remove heat from your feet no matter what happened?
daemonowner 1 year ago
@Multicolaboy water hurts and burns you because it has the highest specific heat capacity of anything on earth! Wood is relatively low.
Snowmandeflator 1 year ago
They should try this with a heated metal.
justicetrooper 1 year ago
THEN WHY THE HELL DOES THE BOILED WATER HURT SO BAD >:(!
Multicolaboy 1 year ago
I am wondering at this point wheter or not this works with all kinds of fire remains. Here, it was wood, and the heat conductivity of wood is (I know from expierience) really bad.
However, I am wondering how it would be with other kinds of coal for instance. (And yes, I dare that firewalking seminar dude to do this with a 1000°C hot steel plate... Not that I think he is actually stupid enough to do it)
TheGeekySkeptic 1 year ago
People will believe what they want to believe.
Ashesofour 1 year ago
Fear is part of your personality. Only a real danger - and DEFENATLY NOT A THERAPY OR A TRAINING - should get rid of it. Only if can't do elseways!
qwuezalothus 1 year ago
This dude is a total nut... He's like a cult leader T_T
Ninix23 1 year ago
The point of firewalking is to conquer your fear of it. It's fucking scary. Like skydiving. Bungee jumping. Regardless of whether u know the science it's still fucking scary, and you feel fucking cool when you've gotten over your fear and done it
Jyazz21 1 year ago
So wait, anybody, at any time, could just go barefoot and walk on hot coals? Is there never a case when you do get burned?
Mithcoriel 1 year ago
@Mithcoriel if the strip of hot coals is long enough you would burn surely... imagine it like a really hot tea cup....if you touch it a short time your hand just gets warmer, if you touch it too long you would hurt yourself
Freigeist20789 1 year ago
We had a pig once, he was a very intelligent pig. He could do tricks and we taught it to fire walk. When it died we decided to sipt roadt it. Well why waste it, its what Oink would have wanted. But low and behold, i'll be fucked if we could get it to cook. We turned that Hogmeister to full heat but good old Oink remained as pink as a newborn piglet. I tell ya, firewalking is magic!
cullen4040 1 year ago
after the 4 min. mile many people did it too, broke the record, but the record was belief loaded. Once the beliefs are adjusted the activity is many times easier. As Shermer sat in his car loading up on disgust and angst and anger his main thought was if they can, i can..... and that a powerful belief driven action. Kudos Shermer for proving the benefits of the mind = )
888Kharami 1 year ago
Thanks for this video.
F1dgets 1 year ago
i would try this but i dont believe that i could cross it without burning my feet so i would not make it accross.
glitcher1995 1 year ago
"i've seen people physically burned"
You idiot you injured your clients?!
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
Physics protects your feet, not supernatural forces? Nonsense. That's crazy talk. This is precisely the raisin why science should be outlawed.
SamonMarquis 1 year ago 2
@SamonMarquis Yes, burn those foolish scientists!
Lehmann108 1 year ago
3:21 this girl sounds like a robot. but i'd still hit it.
mwells219 1 year ago 2
@mwells219 TOTALLY hit it.... for sure. HIGH FIVE!!!
zedandcball 1 year ago
@mwells219 Oh yes.. me too. :)
luigibattista10 1 year ago
i cant believe so many people are such retards
silverface125 1 year ago
Stop arguing, at least we can agree that Katherine Johnson is cute lol.
Indy4fan 1 year ago
I have no idea what riffled means haha!
fizzyfox 1 year ago
"Daddy.", Michael Shermer Jr. tugged at his dads sleeve.
"Yes?", replied Michael Shermer.
"I can't wait til Santa comes this evening. I want to stay awake and meet him 'cos I LOVE Santa!.", he beamed up at his father. Michael laughed, "Santa doesn't exist. son. He's made up to inject a feeling of magic and wonder into the lives of children all over the world." Michael Jr looked up at his father confused. Michael riffled his hair and walked off laughing.
fizzyfox 1 year ago 3
The protocol when administering medication to patients with depression is to try a placebo first (like a sugar pill) because this, in a lot of cases, work. OK, so doc is about to hand over the placebo to the patient, claiming it's the 'real deal' when along comes Michael Shermer. He approaches the doctor and patient, knocks the pills to the floor and reveals that it's not medication. The patient then goes on the proper medication, has side effects and develops more problems. Way to go Michael :)
fizzyfox 1 year ago
in soviet russia, coals walk on you
SweetRosesAreRed 1 year ago
It's probably a combination of both. If you're positive you have a good state of mind to move across them and have good circulation to keep your skin unburned, but if you're nervous then you'll probably move slowly and give the coals more time to transfer heat into your feet and burn you.
beno19900 1 year ago
Maybe some people get burned because they don't move fast enough ;-p I can put a match out with my fingers, easy. I can swipe my hand through a flame, no sweat. If I held open fire to my flesh then it'll burn. Fun video.
I wouldn't do it though. ;-p
BarmaidAz 1 year ago
@DGreen999 sorry for offending you. hope your day wasnt ruined because of it :)
parkergmatas 1 year ago
what a jack ass, does this guy just go around trying to debunk everything?
parkergmatas 1 year ago
@parkergmatas
people who go round calling people on bullshit are jack asses? right...? wrong - the people peddling bullshit are the jack asses
DGreen999 1 year ago 2
:) awesome
SophistAtheist 1 year ago
For those interested in seeing Shermer having his ass handed to him by the brilliant and far more "Bright" Stephen C. Meyer, check out my profile. Once you see the intellectual beatdown Meyer gives him you'll never look at Shermer the same again.
Thanks
signatureinthecell 1 year ago
@signatureinthecell: You're either completely deluded or completely biased. Maybe both. You think Shermer got "his ass handed to him"??? I defy you to explain exactly in this whirlwind of circular logic, Michael Shermer gets his "ass handed to him". The base-level, fundamental "default to god" question went unanswered...as usual. "1: The universe is so complex. It must have been designed." 2.: OK. but how do you know WHO or WHAT designed it?" Never answered. Never even attempted.
AceSkepTik 1 year ago 2
(This refers to the video @signatureinthecell refers to in her/his comment)
AceSkepTik 1 year ago
I don't do it because I want to minimize my carbon foot print.
Xomanowar99 1 year ago 70
@Xomanowar99 your comment made me lol.
1000FeatheredOwl 1 year ago
"Because you believed in physics..."
God.
Eldeecue 1 year ago
Yes I think he's right actually;
people who don't believe in physics will probably find a way to get hurt doing something that wouldn't hurt normal people.
I shall call this: Stupidity
seban678 1 year ago
For people who think still think this is mind over matter, why don't you try walking on a ten foot long plate of iron on top of the coals. Just think really hard, and BELIEVE you can do it. The fact is you can't. The coals are safe BEFORE you walk on them. If it was mind over matter you could walk across anything that is hot, which of course you can't. Its funny how people cling to their irrational beliefs even after they are shown the truth.
DarthHater100 2 years ago 5
hey. dip shit
. someone already did it. i dont remember the name of it but look it up if your dont beleive me. peace.
Straightedge435 1 year ago
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DarthHater100 1 year ago
I did look it up, guess what? Youre full of shit. You make a claim and you don't even look it up first. It is impossible to walk across a ten foot piece of iron. If it wasn't then why don't any of these firewalking goofs do it. Thats because it is impossible. You are living in world of make-believe. Maybe you should try heating up a cast iron frying pan and stand on it. LOL. Of course you wont because you know it is impossible too. You just don't think before you talk. Idiot.
DarthHater100 1 year ago
If they stood on 'fire' for longer time than i would be impressed... hehe I kind of wanna do it now =3
JulkaWilCZuR 2 years ago
Also there is fire walking in African religion
Nestoba 2 years ago
part 1
I am a physicist myself. And I walked the fire. I knew that nothing could happen to my feet. It still took a lot of balls to actually take the first step. From then on it was a piece of cake.
So there is a psychological element: It does change your attitude ONCE you have done it.
Makes it far more easy for you to take many first steps, once you are convinced that it is safe. And this matters, because many safe things still take balls to begin.
So the methof has merit .....
blacksilkblacksilk 2 years ago
@blacksilkblacksilk ...
part 2
... because even if you know it to be safe, fire is fire and almost all of your brain screams at you to run the other way.
So like parachuting it does boost your confidence and trains your abulity to overcome your own fear.
Applied properly this can be great fun, and very useful
take care and have a nice day
silk
;-))
blacksilkblacksilk 2 years ago
I have stepped on single coals from out of a campfire and gotten blisters on my bare feet--from one coal. Ouch. So I don't think the 'it's simple physics' explanation holds much...heat.
If coals are poor conductors of heat, pull just one out of a fire and hold it for two or three seconds in your bare fingers...
carloscarlos13 2 years ago 2
So I guess that settles it!
DarthHater100 2 years ago
Well Michael, you are missing the point, Its about over coming things you belief as impossible, and over coming them, just a metaphor, of lifes chellenges
All you have proved is how closed minded you are, and suffering from "Know It All Iteuss" a crippling disease
Why not do a You Tube on Limiting Beliefs which would be of use to many people
Kind Regards Roger Lowrey UK
Rogerlowrey2222 2 years ago
@Rogerlowrey2222: Those disproved always accuse the dis-prover of having a "closed mind" or being a "know-it-all". It's a weak defense and completely transparent. Of all the well-known skeptics, Shermer is the most objective, most fair of all. I don't think he's missed any point at all. He set out to prove that the immunity to harm in fire-walking was a matter of physics rather than a matter of mind power, and he succeeded conclusively. You're just upset because he's proved you a fool.
AceSkepTik 1 year ago 12
@AceSkepTik AHAH! 'set out to PROVE" Bias! Bias! What kind of objectivity is that? But yes, Shermer is quite modest, he admits his ignorance, but still gets testy when people push him to come to an "intuitive" answer, ie one that "comes from the heart" not one that has him pouring over literature for a fortnite.
I bet if he kidnapped someone and threw them on the coals, they would scream. What you believe matters, how you believe it, doesn't.
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
@AceSkepTik quite honestly, it is whatever you want to believe. your belief in shermer will just be a self fulfilling prophecy for you. try truly believing something else for a day or two and you may surprise yourself. i know i surprised myself. i used to be staunchly entrenched in my beliefs until i let go of them and saw that reality is more defined by what i "know" than anything
MrIlikebigdick 9 months ago
@MrIlikebigdick I'd love to see these people stand in the fire. It'll be a completely different story when the coals have the time to actually transfer the heat.
Kruezoraxe 8 months ago
@Kruezoraxe thats too much of a leap for most people who have a low level of consciousness. there are very few people in the world who can do that but it is possible; however, only if you think its possible will you see it happening in your reality. look up the many worlds theory. maybe it will kick your ignorance in the balls and allow you to see the "truth"
MrIlikebigdick 8 months ago
@MrIlikebigdick I know the many world's theory and think it's an interesting interpretation of quantum physics. Considering the abundance of ignorance we have about Dark Matter, who knows what the universe actually is.
But it has nothing to do with people "breaking" contemporary laws of physics. Please send me videos of individuals doing that, I will be most intrigued.
Also, please don't insult me. I didn't insult you, I just postulated an experiment to eliminate a confounding factor.
Kruezoraxe 8 months ago
@Kruezoraxe well, i dont have any direct videos, however, ive experienced enough in my life to know that consciousness affects reality. this will probably sound crazy to you, but i have caused people to do things and say certain things just by my will and expectation. i have also known when small things were going to happen just through intuition that i could not have known through any conventional means. and i am not sure if this is legitimate, but its the best vid ive found: vvvvvvvvvvv
MrIlikebigdick 8 months ago
@MrIlikebigdick Well that's fine, but that doesn't mean people can break laws of physics simply by believing it. It has been found that social dominance is a very powerful thing and people can pick up on subtle cues. It is possible that you've been influencing them purely by body language and voice tone that even you were not aware of. You're right consciousness does affect reality, but assumptions also affect conclusions. Simple explanations are more likely than convoluted ones.
Kruezoraxe 8 months ago
@Kruezoraxe i can see how you'd think that, but some of the things i have "caused" to happen are not based on anything concrete. just recently actually i was listening to someone whom i didnt know give a speech and they said something about lions, then all of a sudden i had a deep feeling that he meant tigers instead, and he then fumbled with his words a bit and corrected himself as having meant tigers instead of lions. there was no way that i couldve "guessed" he meant that through inference
MrIlikebigdick 8 months ago
@MrIlikebigdick Oddly enough, I am actually a psychological researcher in disfluencies which are any error in speech. And it has been found that people are very good at knowing when people are unsure of their words and they're decent at knowing likely accurate candidates. 2 possibilities. One: you picked up on subtle uncertainties and came up with a viable alternative (unlikely though) Two: This kind of thing happens often you remember the time you "hit" and forget the "misses" (very likely)
Kruezoraxe 8 months ago
@Kruezoraxe i dont think youre being a dick at all. in fact, you seem like a very reasonable and educated person just trying to find the truth, and i see what youre saying. i have also considered the hit or miss selective memory theory, and it seems to apply to me in some cases. however, after something like this happens to me, i can usually tell if it was "real" or not through analysis of how i felt during the occurrence. if i felt surprised that it was happening, it wasn't caused by my
MrIlikebigdick 8 months ago
@MrIlikebigdick As a scientist, I am highly trained to look for confounds, which are alternative explanations of effects. I am not trying to be a dick. For all I know, what you are saying is real. But before I go that route, I try my absolute hardest to explain the phenomenon by natural means.
It's like UFOs. I 100% believe in the possibility of alien life and I believe that there is a huge possibility of their visiting our world. But I'm not going to believe "every" report is a real sighting.
Kruezoraxe 8 months ago
@Kruezoraxe awareness of my consciousness and my will, but was a coincidence. if, however, i felt that it was definitely going to happen and that i was in control, it was the real thing. the reason i think that this is a good analysis technique, is because every time that ive had no doubts, i have always been able to cause what i want to happen, to happen. however, you definitely could be right, also. im still in the stages of deciding upon what's really true even though im pretty deep in this
MrIlikebigdick 8 months ago
As for your intuition, it is possible that you have a heightened observational abilities. Since women have a heightened sense of observation in comparison to men, most researchers speculate that women's intuition is just that. A heightened observational sense. The fact that they "just know" is testament to the automaticity of observation. Like I said, simple explanations before convoluted ones. Occam's Razor is a very important rule of thumb to follow.
Kruezoraxe 8 months ago
@Kruezoraxe thats really just one of the thousands of examples that i could give you, but i think its a great on because i had been thinking about tigers all day before that happened (that may sound odd, but theres a reason) which leads me to believe that i "caused" him to change his remark. also, i had a very enlightening experience the night before and was in good connection to my thoughts and how i felt about them. there was no reason i couldve observed that would've caused the change
MrIlikebigdick 8 months ago
@MrIlikebigdick Have the ever had the experience of thinking about a friend of yours...and then nothing happens? Of course. But people always remember the times they've thought about a friend and then the friend calls them. Same thing here
Not saying you're wrong, just offering a viable possibility. Keep that idea in mind. The remembering the hits and forgetting the misses. If there is something going on that I can't explain, nothing will change. If it can be explained, it's good you found out
Kruezoraxe 8 months ago
@MrIlikebigdick Anyway, it's been great talking to you but I have to get back to work on some data analysis. I wish you the best of luck and honestly I hope you're right. Because when physicists do find out this information, it'll blow the roof off modern science.
Good luck!
Kruezoraxe 8 months ago
@Kruezoraxe also, id just like to add that before what i explained had happened to me, i was a complete atheist modern day science zealot. now, i believe in the scientific method still, which is what i use loosely to base my beliefs off of, but i dont necessarily believe in the solidity of scientific discoveries
MrIlikebigdick 8 months ago
@MrIlikebigdick It's never good to be a zealot of anything. So it's good that your mind is open to science being wrong which we've always been and always will be. Science is on the best path I know of to be less wrong than anyone else.
But I think you should cling strongly to the scientific method. It's a great sieve for knowledge. If you find a confound in a observational conclusion, or hear an anecdote, make sure you've ruled out all possibilities before venturing into unknown metaphysics.
Kruezoraxe 8 months ago
bald guys a nutcase
WestSTL 2 years ago
It's useful for gain self-confidence, and it's not even potentially harmful. What to lose?
kinomyway 2 years ago
I put my balls on hot coals.
martyaus2905 2 years ago 4
for serious?
Paradoxical003 2 years ago
when they start walking over hot metal plates, then i'll be a believer
Melzack 2 years ago 3
From what I read, there have been examples of firewalking in which stones were heated until red-hot.
S1587915G 2 years ago
"Break through your limiting beliefs" HA I'd like to see this same fire walk done on a same length steel mesh that has also been heating to 1000 degrees... I would $100 to see him go first... and also tape the whole thing ahha!
JeanLouie1106 2 years ago
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chuckmanofgod 2 years ago
Yes, that would be some sight to see. Coal is just a poor conductor of heat. If you were to walk on hot lava rocks, it would be a very painful and toasty walk. The mental preparation just builds confidence in an individual. The fact that people have done it before can build even more confidence. If it is mental power that protects people, why don't they ever use lava rock or use a hot sheet of steel instead of coal and/or burning amber?
chuckmanofgod 2 years ago
Oh and im canadian so the change would be more like 1800 degrees fahrenheit from the water to the coal, or in other words if the coal was 1000 degrees F and you needed to cool a total of 1 mm of coal about the area of your foot, you would lose about .6mm of moisture off your foot through vaporization.
coal must have a very very low heat conductivity.
lubermanl 2 years ago
The more nervous you are the more you sweat, less likely you are to burn.
Maybe some people were so confident that they weren't intimidated enough by the chanting to sweat enough to NOT get burned.
LordAlda 2 years ago
Kinda like if you know someone who lit the barbecue incorrectly by turning on the gas and then struggling to get the match going, ending up with a big poof of fire and their eyebrows and some hair gone. I wouldn't try this it is Extremely dangerous. But their skin may not be damaged at all because the moisture on it was flashed.
Thats probably whats happening.
But i don't know for sure.
lubermanl 2 years ago
Whats probably happening is similar to the jelly you put on your skin before stun men light themselves on fire. So there are several factors.
there is moisture on your skin, IE sweat.
Water has a relatively high heat capacity, that means it takes a lot of energy to heat water up 1 degree. The coal (as stated so i assume true) has a low heat capacity. That means It takes very little energy to heat up 1 degree. IE if steel has a heat capacity of .1 while water has 4.1 then to heat the water
lubermanl 2 years ago
If we ignore molar mass, so just for concept. Then the steel will drop 41 degrees to heat the water up 1 degree.
Also the coal is not very heat conductive, meaning the coal won't transfer heat very quicky.
So you have a low heat capacity and a low heat conductivity.
It may also flash the moisture on your feet, turning it to steam which takes a fair bit of energy, leaving the surface of the coal much cooler.
lubermanl 2 years ago
with a heat capacity of 4 for water, vs .3 for coal, and your temp of your foot being at 25 degrees, turning to steam at 100 degrees. For the water on your foot to vaporize the coal would drop 75x4/.3 = about 1000 degrees.
With bad heat conductivity you wouldn't need to cool much more then a very thin layer of the surface of the coal, so you would only lose a thin layer of moisture on your foot.
lubermanl 2 years ago
i wonder how the fire institute guy's mother feels about her parenting.
blahblabahl 2 years ago
ad hoc hypothesis. there is no proof that the mindset changes your "physiological state". 5:20 ish...neh.
barneyishappy777 2 years ago
Fire walking is always over a distance of about 10/12 feet. When the distance is doubled people always get burned, because the fluid which gets pulled to the surface of the feet to initially protect them gets drawn out by the heat, and no longer protects them.
226843 2 years ago 2
in greece they do that each year for hundreds of years now. in favor of sum saint of the greek orthodox church.
they are called the anastenarides.
kremmydia 2 years ago
and in india, it's called thai-pu-sam, firewalking festival
arul20 2 years ago
look at the car in the background!! haha and the funnny little mexican , WOW. they are just feeding the geese.
plduggins 2 years ago
I wish there would have been more of an explanation of physics and thermal transfer. That seems to be the meat of the story here.
ZPS1977 2 years ago 3
Humans are so wacky. lol
MalissaRose 2 years ago 3
Its not about whether one can burn his/her feet by walking on fire but whether one feels more confident and motivated after walking on it This so called ritual is basically trying to instill fear in the person of burning his/her feet and then pushing him/her to overcome it. I am more interested to know whether such techniques help mentally or in any other way to boost the confidence/morale of a person when he/she confronts daily life problems and fears.
onutube7 2 years ago
And yes this is no different than bungee jumping etc but here there is no mental comfort of having to know your are attached with that safety line. Perhaps a physicist may have that because he knows his feet wont burn yet for a common person its the final experience of feeling and overcoming his/her fear that matters.
onutube7 2 years ago
Bottom line! Only a total asshole would do this! What is the point?
le238man 2 years ago 2
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ctvwr 2 years ago
I'd like to firewalk, but I'd like to bungee-jump as well, and if I'm bungee-jumping, I don't care how positive my thoughts are, if that rope doesn't hold, it doesn't hold :P
Myschly 2 years ago 18
@Myschly
Combine the two. Bungee jump with a burning rope! :-)
SLRL1A1 2 years ago
Hey, as long as its flame retardant, why the hell not? That'd be awesome!
Myschly 2 years ago
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nigelz123 2 years ago
I can imagine how firewalking mysticism came about, some douche propapbly wasn't watching were he was going stepped on hot coals, realize it wasn't hot, then before anybody else saw, he told people he stepped on the hot coals using "magic" powers, and the only way they could learn these powers was if they give him whatever currency they used in return for learning these secrets.
yumyumwhatzohai 2 years ago
the UFO video shermer on Larry King Live, is systematically removing our pro ET-UFO posts, and within minutes 5-10 negative ratings. We are really putting it to the shermer machine, and somebody(guess who) doesn't like it.
dahur 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
*the UFO video shermer on Larry King Live, is systematically removing our pro ET-UFO posts" no he is not as you well know! because the thread owner has to be online and he hasn't for two weeks, look at his profile! dahur has a hidden agenda of some kind, because he has bought into the "UFO" myth lock, stock and barrel! Just look at his other posts elsewhere!
blackadderthe4 2 years ago
If you want to impress me, then let's have a controlled experiment where someone stands on the hot ashes for about a minute, of course they should be given time to mentally prepare first.
elderberry9 2 years ago 3
these people go and ruin everything traditional
TheTerminator1 2 years ago
yes, let's go burn a lamb in preparation of the firewalk. Traditional enough?
do0me0nice 2 years ago
yea...and how is that worse than killing and cooking any other animal......
TheTerminator1 2 years ago
Can anyone explain to me what is the diff between firewalking and BBQ? Cuz I tried holding my hand over the charcoal, and yeah, I roasted my hand. So how does walking over it change the effect???
eterna2 2 years ago
the BBQ contains hot rocks, and the firewalk contains ash.
Heat capacity is the amount of energy it takes to change a substances temperature.
Heat conductivity is the easy of a substance to transfer it's heat.
Coal has a high heat capacity so takes a long time to cool down and has a high heat conductivity so it can burn other things easy.
Ash has a low heat capacity so losses it's heat fast and has a low heat conductivity so it would be harder to get burned by it.
do0me0nice 2 years ago
Oh. You mean firewalk are over ashes?? I thought it is charcoal in both cases??
eterna2 2 years ago
charcoal is a mined rock and the path of fire is composed of burnt wood that continues to ember.
do0me0nice 2 years ago
Not strictly true. Coal != charcoal. Charcoal can be obtain by burning wood in a certain manner.
Anyway, I feel so cheated. If it is just actually tinder-like burnt wood, then obviously it won't actually burn a person. I always tot they used actual charcoals.
eterna2 2 years ago
...I walked on fire! and if I can do that maybe I can survive for 1 second in hell!
altrisk 2 years ago
5:08
WOW! Some people just can't take the truth.
This is the definition of "Delusion" or maybe just Scamming,after all he does get paid for the seminars.
YogzDaBeatChild 2 years ago
This is a good mental exercise, and it demonstrates that it's not as dangerous as it looks. It's not the mental state that prevents burns though, it's just physics.
keydetpiper 2 years ago
Sorry for the 1 star ranking. It's an accident.
WhitePilgrim86 2 years ago