The slow moving speed doesn't apply when you're holding your secondary pistol. Also, the m60 kills in two bullets and with rapid fire it has 800 rpm while the acr only has 750 rpm and needs at least 3 bullets to kill. It's much better. There's many ways to eliminate the weaknesses, if you just use it the right way it's better than any assault rifle.
I agree that anything you can do with an LMG, you can do with an assault rifle, but that doesn't necessarily mean that LMGs suck. They simply aren't AS good.
Love the LMGs but I have to agree they're just not good. They're really trying to make them long range weapons with which you should sit back and chill, but how are you supposed to do even that when they have more recoil than most ARs while mostly the same damage at long range. Plus most maps are about corners after corners so you have really limited options when even if you stick to that long range. BO had a good idea with giving them no range drop-off, even if you had to take extended mags.
all i heard here was opinions. i love lmgs you have to play to their strengths. if you have a smg you look up at your map, see where your team and the enemy is, then find the best way to run around and flank them. with lmgs you have to think more about where the enemy is going to be and focus your attention down long sight lines in that direction. what i do is set up for a few seconds, get a few kills, then when i get moving again i pull out my secondary to take care of close encounters.
@Gravity81688 technically yes but i was trying to present a legitimate strategy and not just saying "lmgs rock!" or "lmgs suck!". All Im trying to say is that you presented your view from the perspective of fact when many people find lmgs very useful.
@qousie Useful compared to other LMGs. Bottom line is that there's nothing an LMG can do that an AR can't do better except shoot more rounds without reloading. If you wanna overwatch a couple close-mid range lines of sight all game, that's fine.
@iKazedGames Aware of this. I have a habit of saying Large Machine Gun when playing with an M60, for some reason. Any other LMG, I always say Light. Dunno why. Prolly 'cause I've handled M60s, and they aren't fucking light at all. -_-
You say mobility is a huge disadvantage for the LMGs, but you are not SUPPOSED to be mobile when using one. The whole point of using an LMG is to lock down an area. That somewhat leads to camping, but in my experiance it is the most effective way to use one. And they ARE effective in objective modes, I use them on a couple maps to lock down B-Dom with an iron fist. They can easily be as effective as any other weapon with proper positioning.
Just subscribed. Wanted to say thanks for all of your thoughtful analysis. I find that when I die in MW3, I hear your voice in the back of my head, telling me what I did wrong :-)
Hopefully the LMGs'll get a buff, because everything you said is completely right. I've used the Mk. 46 and MG36 a bit, and they're not bad, but I could've been doing a helluva lot better with an AR.
Rapid fire creates an interesting niche for LMGs in MW3, but it will only dominate in close to mid-range situations and will likely get you killed immediately after you win the gunfight. Still, it's loud as hell and pretty fun.
I was an LMG user in previous CoD's, not as frequently as some, but I enjoyed using them, especially the RPD and M60. What they've done to them is just sad. Why did Infinity Ward feel the need to strip them or their only advantage over AR's? Now they're just gimped assault rifles that make you move slow. They're much worse at engaging targets at long range than AR's which makes no sense considering that's always been their purpose in CoD.
You're a fan of the RPD too!? Awesome! Too bad it's not in this game, along with that, there are the other problems you've mentioned about LMGs in MW3.
LMGs had tangible benefits in CoD4, but despite the fact that they weren't close to OP in that game, each one after it has either taken away an advantage or given the advantage to other weapon classes.
Hey Gravity, I've got a legit question for you. I know you've served in the army, so I'm sure you have used or seen a variety of weapons. Have you ever looked down the iron sights of a weapon and thought to yourself, "What the fuck were these guys on?"
You're certainly right; LMGs are entirely outclassed in this game because of the damage drop off. LMGs are meant to be medium to long range weapons. For effs sake you can be more accurate at long range with an assault rifle or smg because the recoil is far more manageable. But I continue to press forward with my precious LMGs (I just use other weapons far more often than in other CoDs), just got the PKP Gold camo and passed the 1000 kills mark. I miss the RPD; such an amazing weapon.
Everything you said were very valid points, but I find some different results, personally, with the limitations of an LMG. I run my class exactly the same as what you used in the video, only with Blind Eye replacing SoH, and a Stinger over the RPG so I can take down air support.
I play the Mercenary playlist when I'm without buddies, meaning TDM and KC, and I find the slower mobility actually helps me. I find myself dying much more often when I sprint all over the place.
Whereas when I'm lugging around an LMG and forced to move slower, it helps me play a bit more patiently. Something I should do all the time anyway, but using these heavy-ass guns seems to help me with that. I've actually been doing pretty good (me being a rather mediocre player) with the M60 and MK46.
But that's just me. As always, though, a great video and great tips. Thanks Gravity!
GREAT stuff... just recently subbed, and i've already learned more watching your MW3 vids then anyone elses. Most of the advice you give out has the same theme, which is just to stop and THINk about what you're doing from time to time. Great advice not only for COD, but life in general!
Also just wanted to say "thanks" for your service to our country... so glad I found your channel, keep up the great work!
@tysonpj That new app is sweet, I'm definitely glad they got around to it after all these years. I did mean to post a gameplay on Monday, and yesterday, too. But the wife takes precedence, gotta take care of the family first. =)
Lmgs used to be good because they had no damage drop off, before for ex rpd on mw2 would always do 40, now all lmgs do 40-20
superskarmory5 2 weeks ago
The slow moving speed doesn't apply when you're holding your secondary pistol. Also, the m60 kills in two bullets and with rapid fire it has 800 rpm while the acr only has 750 rpm and needs at least 3 bullets to kill. It's much better. There's many ways to eliminate the weaknesses, if you just use it the right way it's better than any assault rifle.
CroatianDealer1 1 month ago
Log light not large are made for defensive play styles not rushing and no I don't mean camping
dalton35100 1 month ago
lmg raped in mw2 espcially the rpd and l86 lsw
eunchii15 1 month ago
@eunchii15 I fucking loved the RPD so much.
Gravity81688 1 month ago
I agree that anything you can do with an LMG, you can do with an assault rifle, but that doesn't necessarily mean that LMGs suck. They simply aren't AS good.
1Frewsa 1 month ago
Love the LMGs but I have to agree they're just not good. They're really trying to make them long range weapons with which you should sit back and chill, but how are you supposed to do even that when they have more recoil than most ARs while mostly the same damage at long range. Plus most maps are about corners after corners so you have really limited options when even if you stick to that long range. BO had a good idea with giving them no range drop-off, even if you had to take extended mags.
SinnerBeta 2 months ago
all i heard here was opinions. i love lmgs you have to play to their strengths. if you have a smg you look up at your map, see where your team and the enemy is, then find the best way to run around and flank them. with lmgs you have to think more about where the enemy is going to be and focus your attention down long sight lines in that direction. what i do is set up for a few seconds, get a few kills, then when i get moving again i pull out my secondary to take care of close encounters.
qousie 2 months ago
@qousie All I heard here was opinions.
Gravity81688 2 months ago
@Gravity81688 technically yes but i was trying to present a legitimate strategy and not just saying "lmgs rock!" or "lmgs suck!". All Im trying to say is that you presented your view from the perspective of fact when many people find lmgs very useful.
qousie 2 months ago
@qousie Useful compared to other LMGs. Bottom line is that there's nothing an LMG can do that an AR can't do better except shoot more rounds without reloading. If you wanna overwatch a couple close-mid range lines of sight all game, that's fine.
Gravity81688 2 months ago
@Gravity81688 ok then agree to disagree i suppose.
qousie 2 months ago
"Light" Machine Gun. Not "Large" machine gun.
iKazedGames 2 months ago
@iKazedGames Aware of this. I have a habit of saying Large Machine Gun when playing with an M60, for some reason. Any other LMG, I always say Light. Dunno why. Prolly 'cause I've handled M60s, and they aren't fucking light at all. -_-
Gravity81688 2 months ago
@Gravity81688 LOL I bet! I'm guessing they can't be akimbo'd? XD
iKazedGames 2 months ago
I subscribed :)
Hammerman1234567 2 months ago
It's light machine gun not large machine gun
And yeah just use the ACR. I learned that early on.
Hammerman1234567 2 months ago
You say mobility is a huge disadvantage for the LMGs, but you are not SUPPOSED to be mobile when using one. The whole point of using an LMG is to lock down an area. That somewhat leads to camping, but in my experiance it is the most effective way to use one. And they ARE effective in objective modes, I use them on a couple maps to lock down B-Dom with an iron fist. They can easily be as effective as any other weapon with proper positioning.
hereinsertname 2 months ago
Just subscribed. Wanted to say thanks for all of your thoughtful analysis. I find that when I die in MW3, I hear your voice in the back of my head, telling me what I did wrong :-)
It's scary, man!
EnzoGiorgio430 2 months ago
Hopefully the LMGs'll get a buff, because everything you said is completely right. I've used the Mk. 46 and MG36 a bit, and they're not bad, but I could've been doing a helluva lot better with an AR.
StarvinCannibal 2 months ago
LMGs <3
Bluelight132 2 months ago
Rapid fire creates an interesting niche for LMGs in MW3, but it will only dominate in close to mid-range situations and will likely get you killed immediately after you win the gunfight. Still, it's loud as hell and pretty fun.
R.I.P. RPD. *pours 40oz*
nickthebishop 2 months ago
I was an LMG user in previous CoD's, not as frequently as some, but I enjoyed using them, especially the RPD and M60. What they've done to them is just sad. Why did Infinity Ward feel the need to strip them or their only advantage over AR's? Now they're just gimped assault rifles that make you move slow. They're much worse at engaging targets at long range than AR's which makes no sense considering that's always been their purpose in CoD.
ponmbr 2 months ago
You're a fan of the RPD too!? Awesome! Too bad it's not in this game, along with that, there are the other problems you've mentioned about LMGs in MW3.
doomdragon83 2 months ago
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Its "Light Machine Gun" Not large. xD Great vid though dude, keep this shit up. (Btw im sub 1080! :D)
FXRemastered 2 months ago
Try the LMGs with a Thermal+Grip. The recoil gets cut down tremendously.
GotRed0nYou 2 months ago
LMGs had tangible benefits in CoD4, but despite the fact that they weren't close to OP in that game, each one after it has either taken away an advantage or given the advantage to other weapon classes.
MrLFroslass 2 months ago
Yea there is zero reason to use a lmg over anything else because they have basically the same stats as most ARs but you are slow.
In Black ops the LMGs had like no range dmg drop off which gave them a reason to be used.
40 damage at all ranges was useful.
albuffskitzo 2 months ago
They need to get rid of the slow ADS, give them a tad higher mobility, and make all of them other than the M60 not drop damage at range.
SlaykSerr789 2 months ago
Yeah, LMG's are a huge disappointment in this game. I don't understand why they decided to add damage drop off to them. :/
I miss the RPD too. Ah, CoD4.
Jetblackcube 2 months ago
nice video gravity to mobilty or rather lack of mobility is kills. i'm even liking SMG more cuzz u get stalker build in (basic not pro) and move fast
xWhiteman007x 2 months ago
Hey Gravity, I've got a legit question for you. I know you've served in the army, so I'm sure you have used or seen a variety of weapons. Have you ever looked down the iron sights of a weapon and thought to yourself, "What the fuck were these guys on?"
BlueThunderWolf 2 months ago in playlist Modern Warfare 3 6
@BlueThunderWolf Looked down the sights of an M60 in real life and the thought definitely crossed my mind. The sights on WWI rifles are better, lol.
Gravity81688 2 months ago
@BlueThunderWolf I'm very curious about this as well.
Oneyearwarpilot 2 months ago
Agreed, with damage drop off LMG's are left with what, increased bullet penetration and an larger magazine. Not the greatest selling points.
MrTimeItself 2 months ago
It's nice to see that your subs are going up. The videos are always good, and unlike most of the other commentators, you seem intelligent.
AokKoga 2 months ago
@AokKoga Its a pity, really, because most intelligent YouTubers tend to quit before they get big.
NoseSeal 2 months ago
You're certainly right; LMGs are entirely outclassed in this game because of the damage drop off. LMGs are meant to be medium to long range weapons. For effs sake you can be more accurate at long range with an assault rifle or smg because the recoil is far more manageable. But I continue to press forward with my precious LMGs (I just use other weapons far more often than in other CoDs), just got the PKP Gold camo and passed the 1000 kills mark. I miss the RPD; such an amazing weapon.
RaytheRulerOriginal 2 months ago
Everything you said were very valid points, but I find some different results, personally, with the limitations of an LMG. I run my class exactly the same as what you used in the video, only with Blind Eye replacing SoH, and a Stinger over the RPG so I can take down air support.
I play the Mercenary playlist when I'm without buddies, meaning TDM and KC, and I find the slower mobility actually helps me. I find myself dying much more often when I sprint all over the place.
Deftallica9 2 months ago
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Deftallica9 2 months ago
@Deftallica9
Whereas when I'm lugging around an LMG and forced to move slower, it helps me play a bit more patiently. Something I should do all the time anyway, but using these heavy-ass guns seems to help me with that. I've actually been doing pretty good (me being a rather mediocre player) with the M60 and MK46.
But that's just me. As always, though, a great video and great tips. Thanks Gravity!
Deftallica9 2 months ago
GREAT stuff... just recently subbed, and i've already learned more watching your MW3 vids then anyone elses. Most of the advice you give out has the same theme, which is just to stop and THINk about what you're doing from time to time. Great advice not only for COD, but life in general!
Also just wanted to say "thanks" for your service to our country... so glad I found your channel, keep up the great work!
77ChickenHead 2 months ago
YES! M60 :D
ocarinaoftasi 2 months ago
Solid gameplay, great job.
Masther23AA 2 months ago
I was a little worried when nothing came up on Monday, but all is well. I watched this on the new Youtube app for Xbox.
tysonpj 2 months ago
@tysonpj That new app is sweet, I'm definitely glad they got around to it after all these years. I did mean to post a gameplay on Monday, and yesterday, too. But the wife takes precedence, gotta take care of the family first. =)
Gravity81688 2 months ago
@tysonpj
Wait, wait... Xbox has YouTube now? Why did no one tell me!? I've been wanting this for a long time.
StarvinCannibal 2 months ago