i did watch the beginning of this and i am not even near a religious man. i found a lot of these things to be not true. and the fact is that they are stating it as facts which they arent.
That alone made me immediatly stop the video, because these people are supposed to tell the truth. rather they are on to something or not. they lied just like everyone else does, so i do not trust it
bahh, was borred so read the: ZEITGEIST: THE MOVIE
COMPANION SOURCE GUIDE. on some of the points u are trying to make, and upon reading those, and its sources. it seems really clear that u should do ur homework a bit better, he is takeing in the stuff u are are saying into account, so read it before Accuseing him of being wrong.
According to Bhagavata Purana it is believed that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by "mental transmission" from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki. Hindus believe that in that time, this type of union was possible for achieved beings.[43][50][51] In one story, Kansa sent an ogress named Putana to poison baby Krishna with her breast milk. She approached him and suckled him. Instead of her poisoning him, he sucked the life out of her, revealing her true form.
I appreciate the fact that you are not putting a blanket statment out there and saying that Zeitgeist is false but however dont look to much into it- your saying to the beleivers of Zeitgeist thats its bullshit but by showing that you went through all this to prove your veiw on it.. your equally as engrossed in the theory.
even if you proved, that all the data zeitgeist put out is wrong (and i dont think everything you said is correct either), So what ? still no prove that anything the bible says is true. It doesnt matter if they copied from the Egyptians or from anyone else. There is no prove Jesus ever lived or that anything the bible says is true. Just think about it, most of i doesn't make any scene.
@TheSandisfaction The main idea is not to show any errors that have zeitgeist (which in itself has several), but is intended to show that the objetive of zeitgeist is to confuse people by mixing truth with lies, that is a very common strategy used by the Illuminati, zeitgeist = illuminati puppet
It's sad that most Religions support “thou shall not kill”, yet countless lives have been lost all in the name of certain Religions... can you guess which ones.
Peter based this part of the film on information from "the christ conspiracy" which i have just picked up this morning and plan on reading. with over 900 references which i plan on researching. to those who think we are a cult, sorry you feel that way. you clearly havent done your research on the venus project or just dont understand the concepts described. if you have and still think we are a clut or whatever feel free to contact me, id be happy to clear things up to the best of my ability.
there are stoy's and divided eveywhere in diffrent method, plus the thing that zeitgeit wanted us to see that Jesus is a hibrid from many mithological gods, this video is useless and ur fact are completly stupid. Dont post again ur pathetic
content and context? ever heard of it? wait, unless something is spelled perfectly and pronounced with automaton accuracy you seem unable to have any comprehension or communication skills. you sir, fail.
This is not the argument. The argument is that all religions followed basic principle and a very good one. OBSERVATION of ASTROLOGY and STARS. After thousands of years of these Myth telling, people became so full of it that they were changing their book according to the arguments. Its just sad, that we can't control our own lives. We all follow something, someone....never ourselves.
This is sad because everyone is disproving the religion part. if its full of lies then disprove the bank part or the 911part but you can't because your a fag who has to denouce every thing thats new and wierd so live your normal life im going to try to change things
Whomever created the film was very clever in how they deliberately mixed truths with lies. There will come a time when the world will be made aware of the Illuminati (men behind the curtain) and unfortunately, many will indirectly connect this fact with Zeitgeists false theory on Christianity. If youre truly open minded and are interested in a more accurate truth (or just another perspective), then feel free to email me & I will give you the link to my blog concerning this film. :)
actually, the bank part and similar events to 911 and talks of "the end times" are common and "were" common for decades before zeitgeist even was conceived. just because zeitgeist stole the whole nwo slavery foretelling and such doesn't make them original or moving whatsoever.....
Don't worry about your mispronounciation, just know the meaning in English, which may help you and others in understanding the thread of the producers thinking. Zeitgeist is German for "spirit of the times".
if you dont want to believe this, thats ok everybody can believe what they think is right but i think the second zeitgeist film is way more important and interesting and more fundated...
"According to Bhagavata Purana some believe that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by "mental transmission" from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki."
How could anyone willfully leave that out and why? I don't feel like going into all of them but if I can find that in about 1 min.. something is fishy.
Every documentary you watch has its wrongs and right...the point is to take it into view and point out the parts which were wrong and i belive thats what this video did... all it was doing was showing you another point of view of one specific topic so we can all be clear at the end lol hating just slows us all down .. if he has proof listien to it... verify it ... and enjoy it !! and move on ! if you not then ,,I,,
Friend, Zeitgeist wasn't created to tell you lies, that's why every section is so greatly backed up with evidence. They made this movie for the truth and the truth alone. And religion, simply isn't the truth. But, it's an attempt at it, and that's okay. What scares me is that it creates a closed minded point of view on everything. If you believe this shit, you'll believe anything, and the people behind the media are well aware. Open your mind, don't let societies influences cloud your thoughts.
The point Zeitgeist was making regarding the bible, with all the similar themes from all the different religions before Christianity (resurrection, savor, virgin birth etc..) is that it's not at all even original, let alone the "word" of god.
Being the terrible person I am, I rather enjoyed Zeitgeist. Your question at the end of your debunking of a movie is easy to answer. If he told only truths, it would be a really boring movie. This movie has inspired many people, whether in a good way or bad, it doesn't matter. It's still a good movie imo.
It would be a really boring movie???? Are you serious? It's a fucking documentary. It has to be based on facts and/or accurate portrayals. That would be like me making a true documentary of the time Babe Ruth homered off of Nolan Ryan. It's completely stupid. If you are so entertained by flat out lies I guess you are still having orgasms over what the presidential cabinet said was the true cause of 9/11. You are truly a sad person.
Thanks, and yes I'm serious. People who watch a movie to get their "truth" are just as dumb as those who get their "truth" from the bible. Why don't ones who feel so strongly about something look further into things and find many sources is beyond me. You go ahead and make your baseball movie if you'd like but I bet it sucks ^.~
Do you know what a documentary is? You say that "ones who feel so strongly about something look further into things and fink many sources is beyond me," yet you said before that you enjoyed a film that is full of lies and you said that if they had told the truth, it would have made a boring movie. And God you are a dumb fuck! Of course the baseball movie would suck, because it's not fucking true, that's the point I was making. Do you fail to see how what you say makes no fucking sense at all.
3. You really should do some research on some of the mythology mentioned in the film so you will stfu
4. Believing everything that is presented to you especially in a film like this is funny cause it shows how sheep-like you really are and that's the kind of crap the presentors seem to want to abolish
Far out I am so glad your sources are so indepth and far reaching, thanks for getting the ziegeist movie to even more people and helping the slow death of christianity and organized religion move along, peace love and truth
Isn't the amount of claimed gods in the world enough to turn you off any religion? I know Zeitgeist is not 100% fact, but just seeing all the different people that Jesus COULD be compared too, is enough to realize that any civilization can make up stories to help them answer all the "life" questions people want to know about. C'mon religious followers, get real
here is a question......................if I made up some facts, put them in a book and got it published and some one else cited my book would that make their work true????
we all need the ability to believe in what we choose, we cannot "prove" Christianity or atheism to the point where everyone can agree. You cant even get a handful of people to agree on one type of pizza let alone an entire system of government. I don't think the Venus project or anything zeitgeist is saying would work in reality, you could say that if the whole world agreed to be christian we would all live in a utopia. perhaps that makes more sense then a bunch of atheists.
Fuck just give up. theism is infinatley illogical,infinatley improbsble,terrifing if true, and cleary ripped off of astrolegy. What make you more right then a muslim? There could be infinate amout of these created and only one could be right because they contradict eachother And that is beig very generous because the probibility that the universe was even desighned is also infinatley improbable. So you basing all your beliefs on a infanitely small chance within an infinatley small chance.
I don't know why people go through such lengths to disprove this movie... Having a religion that you believe in requires faith. Those of you that practice a faith should be thankful that God has put people like this on the planet to challenge His followers.
Yeah, some of the information about the other messiahs is bent and just flat out wrong, but it still remains true that Jesus is most likely a representation of the Sun.
You think a Christian produced this???? It would be a lot more genuine if an athiest produced info debunking Zeitgeist. But if your entire existence were based on these archaic premises you might be tad biased don't you think.
Another error in Zeitgeis is when they talk about Jesus in historical books other than the Bible. There they say Christ only means The anointed, but it also means Messia. If you look at one of the teksts, you will see it talks about Jesus Christ from Gallileia. How many Anointed/messias from Gallileia was there on that time? none other than Jesus.
They really did not need this section in the movie, its like yelling at a brick wall. Theist are to stupid to change their beliefs and its almost pointless to try. But i also agree with the idea that we will never be able to do the venus project with theism in the way.
Out of all the comments on this page, yours stuck out the most. Here's my problem, If Jesus is the way to heaven, then all other prophets are the way to heaven also. Cuzz you can't prove, in a court of law, that jesus even existed. Now i know there's a creator of all things, but religion for me is not the answer. Take a second and think about what a Deja Vu is and you'll see that all you need is you.
Point being these stories that were told long before the stories in the bible share similar foundations. Early Christians could have very well converted the tales of Hordes and Attis to make the bible. Over the years the bible has been converted many times and there's so many versions of it. How Are we to believe which is right and what is said in it? And do to your errors in grammar I question the accuracy in your little video. You can't fight historical text with Wikipedia or Google.
I was almost sucked in by this video, but when you look up the facts there are way too many holes, if the have such solid evedence against christ......why is it so weak, why do they have to distort so many facts about the other deitys, for example krisha was accedently killed by a hunter, and he did not get resurected :S
The ironic part is the creator of the video "encourages" people to look up the "facts". I suppose when you say some thing like that lazy people will just take his word for it.
I agree, this isnt very good evidence againt the bible. I did think that astrological part was good but they should of never of put this in the video. Zeitgeist was amazing without it and adendum topped zeitgeist and it also didnt attack theism at all. I say we should let theist dwindel down to small ommish like societys and let the rest of society prosper with the venus project>
BTW, the word "emaculate" as in conception, had a very different meaning in scholastic spheres. It didn't mean virgin birth, it meant "extremely clean", as in "Look ma, my hands are emaculate!" Read Oxford Press, "The Other Bible." It explains why there were so many commonalities among religions, (ie; the Buddha statue is the Greek God Apollo, wearing a Greek Toga). First appeared in india after the Greek invasion. Buddhist I know don't care, it's got nothing to do with the message.
I commend you on pointing out various errors in Zeitgeist, which bothered me. Manley P. Hall sounds responsible it sounds. An old book, which tricked me also. However, don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Political, or religious, "This Is The Only Way", is Fascism. We've gotta get away from this, back to the "spirit" of Christianity. I know a lot of really cool old hippy Christians, and they're so different and loving in thier "faith". Don't make Christ about hate. It's just a dream.
you are just giving mindless religious people a reason to keep them in ignorance. You tried way to hard, not convincing at all, you are only giving people an excuse who dont want to face the truth
The fact that there are serious spelling and grammar mistakes within the first 30 seconds of your video does not bode well for the credibility of your clip! Also you seem to have misinterpreted the story of Attis - the word "nymph" does not refer to the modern day meaning but to the meaning within the context of greek mythology - meaning any member of mythological entities in human female form. The Almond falling into her lap means no physical intercourse actually took place... go to school!
MOE! DOROTHY MURDOCK, the non-scholar who wrote The Christ Conspiracy and Suns of God, has been proven conclusively to be full of crap. Watch ZEITGEIST CHALLENGE EXPOSES ACHARYA S 1-3, ZEIGEIST EXPOSED 1-8, THE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS 1-4, ZEITGEIST REBUTTAL parts 1-3. ZEITGEIST REFUTED 1-10.
DOROTHY MURDOCK, the non-scholar who wrote The Christ Conspiracy and Suns of God, has been proven conclusively to be full of methane gas. Watch ZEITGEIST CHALLENGE EXPOSES ACHARYA S 1-3, ZEIGEIST EXPOSED 1-8, THE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS 1-4, ZEITGEIST REBUTTTAL parts 1-3. ZEITGEIST REFUTED 1-10. UNLESS YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE IGNORANT 'MY MIND IS MADE UP DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS' MORONS.
I have a better question, you're trying to disprove the points made in zeitgeist, indicating that religion is based on old superstitions and polytheism traveling for millenia to become what they are. yet you clearly list the ?shabbat? as the holy day. Can you not see the sabbath, and it's clearly polytheistic background in clear contrast with monotheism. ?
and in all honestly, I cannot believe anything you state in the movie, credit your sources... and i hope you didnt get all of your info from that devineevidence site lol... what a load of bull. Zeitgeist = Truth.
actually, people that learn English as a second or third language, tend to speak and type it clearly, I know this as I have dated numerous foreign chicks, and they always dot every I and cross every T... you know what i mean ;)
Everything in the Zeitgeist Movie is true, except:
1) Jesus' birth is October 21.(Luke 2: 8) shepherds stayed with their flocks in the fields only from Spring to Autumn. It is thus unlikely that the shepherds are out in December.
2) Jesus' disciples is more than 120 during His ascension.
3) The VCHIP or as the Bible described in Revelation 13:16-18 as the mark of the beast.
4) Only the Bible predicted all these things, & you might as well believe that only Jesus saves before it's too late!
The spelling error at :22 makes this video's validity fall apart. You can't change people's opinions if your video editing software doesn't have spell-check.
You dumb fuckers have been googling this shit! Try reading actual fucking textbooks and you'll be amazed. I was once all for wikipedia, until I went to University and my teachers showed me how inaccurate that shit is compared ti HISTORICAL TEXT BOOKS. You should be ashamed, at least the zietgeist guy made more fucking effort than you did.
the creator of zeitgeist sourced his information from translated texts, not google. fuck google, go to a museum, consult REAL scholars, teachers, lecturers fuck google.
This video is a bit better than part one, but still needs a lot of work.
Additionally, most people seem to disregard Wikipedia as a source. This is slightly unfair, because most larger articles (those that receive frequent traffic) are well-sourced and kept in good condition by Wikipedia's concerned userbase.
Still, it is much better to cite the sources that Wikipedia itself has in citation, because those sources are the ones which can be assessed properly.
The Zeigeist creators weren't looking to be factual. An example is of two coworkers and another comment i saw on this.
My two coworkers mentioned that they had no idea there were so many similarities, and when i told them about typing 'zietgeist wrong' into youtube, they seemed uninterested.
Another was a post by a youtuber saying "For awhile I questioned my faith, but then after seeing your video my faith is strong again."
All they wanted to do was weaken the faith people had in Christianity. Although it wasn't necessarily truthful, they got the results they were looking for.
I can see by messages on teh Zeigeist videos that clearly, they have weakened many peoples faiths.
To me, there was no way that so many people would believe in christianity if these similarities were true.
So ture peole are not intrested in geting some real facts. They like the idea of bashing God/Christianity. Makes them comfortable. They love to call us ignorant for beliveing everything without checking it out and than they themself just belive something because it make them comfy.
Well it was insightful till the end when I saw that you got some of your facts from Wikipedia. Trust me you need to find a better source for facts other than wikipedia. Yet, I see you had two other sources, but I don't know which facts you got from wikipedia. Don't use a source that can be edited by anonymous people that might not know what the hell they are talking about. Wikipedia is a very bad reference. Also, you might want to have a few more sources then just 3 to back up your evidence.
You can google my facts and you will find a lot of em. Btw if you wirte something on wiki you have to back your claims up with sources on the bottom. You can see them when you use it.
doesn't jesus say to God, Forgive them father for they don't know any better or something? Like Krishna telling the Hunter (Which could be Orion) that he is forgiven for his actions?
Here we need to make a dinstinciont: is the persian version of Mithra's myth that takes Anahita like virgin. The engraving on the temple is the only direct font I can give you, sorry!
Anyways, really I don't understand where the hell did they found Dioniso is son of a virgin! He was son of Semele and Zeus, and raised in Zeus leg after the death of the mother. Anyways there's so many diffenrent versions of the myths that I can't tell for sure.
Yep these Religions can be very confusing. I dont say that my video is 100% right, but I know that most of Zeitgeist claims are extremly stretched or made up. Thats my main point.
I like the claim about Dionysus "only begotton son"...ehmm Zeus had more than one child (Hercules for example)! ^^
I gotta tell you that I agree with the message o the movie, 'cause I'm actually fighting against Christian religion (all religions, but being Italian, I particularly disagree with them). But there are many sources way more accurate than this, which really disappoints me in some points. Cheers!
You mean the idea that Chritianity is falsified? Through differn dietys? Well you can belive that but most scienetist reject this idea. And I clearly showed that Zeitgeist is stretching facts so that it fits their victim.
What I believe is that Jesus Christ (which is not at all a name but just the attributes given to most of the Essene-Zealot messiahs) is just one of the messiahs, probably Giovanni of Gamala. I believe that the Christianity made manipulations of the Gospels and ancient classical latin texts (sorry for the BAD english!) to hide contradictions and fill the void. If you want, when I have time I can share what I learned.
Jesus was born where the three stars(threee kings) lined up with the britghtest star and the sun. Egyptians called god, the sun...therefor..the SON OF GOD.
First off, the birt date of Jesus is made up by catholics. The bible does not metion the oroginal bithdate of Jesus. Does the cotholics paganised christianity? Sure, no doubt. I reject those ideas of the roman church because all what they have made up is none biblical. Well you can't just because SON and SUN sound the same in english say that those things are realted to each other.
Five stars, because all the information you provide is right. Peter Joseph (Zeitgeist maker) can share his point of view with the others, but a message based in lies will never be correct.
virgin birth = either no sex involved OR impregnation by a God (Zeus).
December 25= no proof of Jesus' existence, but you celebrate his birth on 25... hmmm paganism?
crucifixion= horrible or painful death.
This video actually proves the movie was telling a lot of truths... but alas, Zeitgeist is guilty of propaganda also... Why do you need people to think for you?
virgin Birth: either Zeus became Human and had sex or gods made sex with other gods.
Dec 25th made up by catholics the bible does not mention the birthdate. Jesus is mentioned 42 times within 150 years after his life by 42different authors (christians and none christians) Cesar mentioned 10 times and he is also exepted as an esisted man. Is chritianity paganised? Yes no doubt. Do I like that? No!
hahahaha, Caeser mentioned him, he lived before Jesus was supposed to have existed.
Christianity is like all other religions, to enslave us. To be honest, I was disappointed to find the Zeigtgeist resorted to propaganda when it didn`t have too. The fact that EVERYTHING written about was done AFTER he died by people who don`t know him, does not support the fact that he existed. no the historic sources that NOTE Jesus`existence are sketchy AT BEST.
No, I scratch those facts because Creationism is a joke. There is NO Original sin because Genesis never ACTUALLY happened. The message of Zeitgeist is correct, but they use lies to make it more convincing.. Although I resent religion and what it does to society, i asked the makers of the film to publicly admit to their propaganda. Until they do, I want no part in their movement... what else do you want from me
I want nothing from you. I never mentioned Creationism. And I don't know how old the earth is. If you want to belive in Evloution ok if you belive its fact ok. I don't care. Do you want to discuss the vid or do you just want to attack me?
I am not attacking you. Evolution is not a theory devised to disprove Christianity. It simply exists, and is the truth. If you want proof, I can provide it for you. Religion is used to enslave the mind... The movie was wrong to distort the truth to bring us this message. It doesnt make the message wrong, its just that those that push it are corrupt.
the basis of Christianity is based on the fact that he died to save us from Original Sin. Since Original Sin (creationism) never happened, Christianity`s bubble is burst. There was no reason to accept Jesus as the son of God, based on this principle. I believe in all of Jesus` concepts (peace, love, unity) i just believe Religion is unnecessary to achieve these ideals...
Zeitgeist twists the truth a little to support their claims, and I AM morally opposed to that. But it doesn`t mean eveyone should revert back to a corrupt religion, just because Zeitgeist fucked up.
YOu where there form the beginning? You know or you belive? Did you saw it with your own eye? I feel goog with Jesus I have peace and I don't fear death. I don't need Evolution.
I know enough about Evolution. It's not that I reject it as a christian. I reject it because it makes no sense. I don't belive in accident. Last week I have seen a doku abput Evolution they presneted all kind of lieing stuff. You can strech everything I dont care about Evolution maybe you do and thats ok so. But leave me alone with it I know enough to reject it.
look I don`t want to cram all this down your throat... If you are interested in knowing why you DON`t know enough about evolution to know its wrong, I will be happy to discuss it with you. If not, whatever! Your beliefs are your right... God bless Free will =)
Well, we can discuss it. The problem is we both think we know the truth. So everything you present will be rejected from my point and you will reject my stuff ^^. But lets try if you want to.
I don't have to justify myself or for what I belive. It is well known that Zeitgeist got theit sources just from anti religous books that have no scienetific backgrounds. The sources I presented here are the truth go on page one of the comments for more sources. showed that zeitgeis is lieing intntional to fit their victim. You can't reject those facts because they are real.
Stalin.. was an atheist... and he didn't use religion.. to enslave the minds... Hitler .. wasn't religious either.. Pol Pot ,Mao Tse Tung .. were atheists... there .. is nothing wrong with the religion... . yes people use religion to enslave.. other people minds... but... it's .. human nature..
Fox, William Sherwood, The Mythology of All Races, v.1, Greek and Roman, 1916, General editor, Louis Herbert Gray.
Jameson, Michael. "The Asexuality of Dionysus." Masks of Dionysus. Ed. Thomas H. Carpenter and Christopher A. Faraone. Ithaca: Cornell UP, 1993. ISBN 0-8014-8062-0. 44-64.
"Myth and Symbol in Ancient Egypt" by R.T. Rundle Clark, p. 216
KP Robinson-Campos, Mithraism and Christianity: Myths and Origins, University of New Mexico (2006). G. Frazer, Adonis, Attis, Osiris (1907, new ed. 1961).
DR Morse, Mithraism and Christianity: How Are They Related, Journal of Religion and Psychical Research (1999)
E Winter, Mithraism and Christianity in Late Antiquity - Ethnicity and culture in Late Antiquity, London/Swansea, 2000
okay, i myself am trying to debunk Zeutgeist in order to tell whether or not it is a well sorce for religous comparities. but i must tell you that if your best soure is wikipedia and other unlegit' websites i am sorry my friend you have a weak arguement... these websites you use for sources are not legit but only writen by ametures and people with there own opiions....
But they get their sources from antireligous books and these books have no scientific backgrounds go to the page and check them for yourself. Be rational ;)
Thats right we don't even have to argue about this. I just showed that zeitgeist is lieing alot about these so called "saviours" . NOt in all points but they realy strech it and that is fact. Also many scienetists rejects those books because all they do is streching facts so that they fit their critics.
i did watch the beginning of this and i am not even near a religious man. i found a lot of these things to be not true. and the fact is that they are stating it as facts which they arent.
That alone made me immediatly stop the video, because these people are supposed to tell the truth. rather they are on to something or not. they lied just like everyone else does, so i do not trust it
Thys93 3 weeks ago
bahh, was borred so read the: ZEITGEIST: THE MOVIE
COMPANION SOURCE GUIDE. on some of the points u are trying to make, and upon reading those, and its sources. it seems really clear that u should do ur homework a bit better, he is takeing in the stuff u are are saying into account, so read it before Accuseing him of being wrong.
VoOfThDe 4 months ago
According to Bhagavata Purana it is believed that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by "mental transmission" from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki. Hindus believe that in that time, this type of union was possible for achieved beings.[43][50][51] In one story, Kansa sent an ogress named Putana to poison baby Krishna with her breast milk. She approached him and suckled him. Instead of her poisoning him, he sucked the life out of her, revealing her true form.
TheEarthHitsHard 6 months ago
I appreciate the fact that you are not putting a blanket statment out there and saying that Zeitgeist is false but however dont look to much into it- your saying to the beleivers of Zeitgeist thats its bullshit but by showing that you went through all this to prove your veiw on it.. your equally as engrossed in the theory.
jay13ish 9 months ago
Is this video just some christian or theist attempting to debunk Zeitgeist but fails?
yourjunk420 10 months ago
@yourjunk420 No, you just like everyone else, failed to have your own mind. instead you are being lied to (again).
religions have a lot in common, but the Zeitgeist is lying to you
Thys93 3 weeks ago
I'm tired of religions and their bigotry.
I obey and pray the outer space and its majestic never-ending end.
alexanderssson 1 year ago
even if you proved, that all the data zeitgeist put out is wrong (and i dont think everything you said is correct either), So what ? still no prove that anything the bible says is true. It doesnt matter if they copied from the Egyptians or from anyone else. There is no prove Jesus ever lived or that anything the bible says is true. Just think about it, most of i doesn't make any scene.
TheSandisfaction 1 year ago
@TheSandisfaction The main idea is not to show any errors that have zeitgeist (which in itself has several), but is intended to show that the objetive of zeitgeist is to confuse people by mixing truth with lies, that is a very common strategy used by the Illuminati, zeitgeist = illuminati puppet
Hyde0610 10 months ago
At least you are pointing out the incorrect data that Zeitgeist claims.
HamHalo3 1 year ago
@ProjectRegenesis
You are the one who believes the 1st "think" he heard and denies all others say. Look up and trust your common since.
coyweb 1 year ago
It's sad that most Religions support “thou shall not kill”, yet countless lives have been lost all in the name of certain Religions... can you guess which ones.
krazybkrdude 1 year ago
Peter based this part of the film on information from "the christ conspiracy" which i have just picked up this morning and plan on reading. with over 900 references which i plan on researching. to those who think we are a cult, sorry you feel that way. you clearly havent done your research on the venus project or just dont understand the concepts described. if you have and still think we are a clut or whatever feel free to contact me, id be happy to clear things up to the best of my ability.
fulmetalmage 1 year ago
okay i can respect any one that trys to give a logical explination saying Jesus isnt real, but if u make stuff up, it doesnt help ur cause
kylethebest2 2 years ago
"the secrets of the vine(how to make wine)".true enough, but guess what he made it out of?..........water(like the S-U-N)!
ComfyNumb1989 2 years ago
christians stop you guys are just being childish now
detroit9m 2 years ago
the man on the cross is orfeas but not dionysus
see the greek leters ΟΡΦΕΑΣ ΒΑΚΧΟΣ
AEIGAMHSOU 2 years ago
4:33-just like Elijah (EL-ijah?)!
ComfyNumb1989 2 years ago
True...i didn't see them the first time i watched the film...Hehe...
kkciosuLL 2 years ago
1:37= " Shot in the foot and dies"???
You mean to tell me a God is killed by getting shot in the foot???
What next will you believe??
renijohn012270 2 years ago
Please watch the two whole movies before making any irrelevant comments..
xavidecamb 2 years ago
Zeitgeist is an ad for Peter Joseph's religion and coming "messianic" figure courtesy of the NWO.
watch?v=_FZ2KFn1zrY
plain and simple.
FightZeit 2 years ago
there are stoy's and divided eveywhere in diffrent method, plus the thing that zeitgeit wanted us to see that Jesus is a hibrid from many mithological gods, this video is useless and ur fact are completly stupid. Dont post again ur pathetic
stefanbuza 2 years ago
Any integrity of this clip was lost in the atrocious spelling and grammatical errors
StepBruthaz 2 years ago
True dat!!
KDeCesare 2 years ago
content and context? ever heard of it? wait, unless something is spelled perfectly and pronounced with automaton accuracy you seem unable to have any comprehension or communication skills. you sir, fail.
StarSedition 2 years ago
This is not the argument. The argument is that all religions followed basic principle and a very good one. OBSERVATION of ASTROLOGY and STARS. After thousands of years of these Myth telling, people became so full of it that they were changing their book according to the arguments. Its just sad, that we can't control our own lives. We all follow something, someone....never ourselves.
exxtraz 2 years ago 10
sheep
osmangamez 2 years ago 2
@osmangamez you're a sheep!
pcdude69er 4 days ago
This is sad because everyone is disproving the religion part. if its full of lies then disprove the bank part or the 911part but you can't because your a fag who has to denouce every thing thats new and wierd so live your normal life im going to try to change things
hardstyle12343 2 years ago
Whomever created the film was very clever in how they deliberately mixed truths with lies. There will come a time when the world will be made aware of the Illuminati (men behind the curtain) and unfortunately, many will indirectly connect this fact with Zeitgeists false theory on Christianity. If youre truly open minded and are interested in a more accurate truth (or just another perspective), then feel free to email me & I will give you the link to my blog concerning this film. :)
am84grn 2 years ago
actually, the bank part and similar events to 911 and talks of "the end times" are common and "were" common for decades before zeitgeist even was conceived. just because zeitgeist stole the whole nwo slavery foretelling and such doesn't make them original or moving whatsoever.....
StarSedition 2 years ago
Don't worry about your mispronounciation, just know the meaning in English, which may help you and others in understanding the thread of the producers thinking. Zeitgeist is German for "spirit of the times".
CFRANKLINM 3 years ago
if you dont want to believe this, thats ok everybody can believe what they think is right but i think the second zeitgeist film is way more important and interesting and more fundated...
Baarz 3 years ago
i agree the current state of things now is most important, we can argue about religion later.
enlightenthemass 2 years ago
Krishna: Right!
"According to Bhagavata Purana some believe that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by "mental transmission" from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki."
How could anyone willfully leave that out and why? I don't feel like going into all of them but if I can find that in about 1 min.. something is fishy.
legion2k 3 years ago
So what's this guy trying to say? All these Gods that Zeitgeist pwned are actually real?
211Network 3 years ago
NO you idiot. he's saying that Jesus Christ is not a mythological character. That's what the Zeitgeist origional movie is trying to prove.
thethirdevans 3 years ago
Every documentary you watch has its wrongs and right...the point is to take it into view and point out the parts which were wrong and i belive thats what this video did... all it was doing was showing you another point of view of one specific topic so we can all be clear at the end lol hating just slows us all down .. if he has proof listien to it... verify it ... and enjoy it !! and move on ! if you not then ,,I,,
yourboycal 3 years ago
GOOD.
diuryl 3 years ago
Friend, Zeitgeist wasn't created to tell you lies, that's why every section is so greatly backed up with evidence. They made this movie for the truth and the truth alone. And religion, simply isn't the truth. But, it's an attempt at it, and that's okay. What scares me is that it creates a closed minded point of view on everything. If you believe this shit, you'll believe anything, and the people behind the media are well aware. Open your mind, don't let societies influences cloud your thoughts.
Dbhasanicebutt 3 years ago
The point Zeitgeist was making regarding the bible, with all the similar themes from all the different religions before Christianity (resurrection, savor, virgin birth etc..) is that it's not at all even original, let alone the "word" of god.
HimmuraTube 3 years ago
Being the terrible person I am, I rather enjoyed Zeitgeist. Your question at the end of your debunking of a movie is easy to answer. If he told only truths, it would be a really boring movie. This movie has inspired many people, whether in a good way or bad, it doesn't matter. It's still a good movie imo.
sleepyriggles 3 years ago
It would be a really boring movie???? Are you serious? It's a fucking documentary. It has to be based on facts and/or accurate portrayals. That would be like me making a true documentary of the time Babe Ruth homered off of Nolan Ryan. It's completely stupid. If you are so entertained by flat out lies I guess you are still having orgasms over what the presidential cabinet said was the true cause of 9/11. You are truly a sad person.
dylanfanatic22 3 years ago
Thanks, and yes I'm serious. People who watch a movie to get their "truth" are just as dumb as those who get their "truth" from the bible. Why don't ones who feel so strongly about something look further into things and find many sources is beyond me. You go ahead and make your baseball movie if you'd like but I bet it sucks ^.~
sleepyriggles 3 years ago
Do you know what a documentary is? You say that "ones who feel so strongly about something look further into things and fink many sources is beyond me," yet you said before that you enjoyed a film that is full of lies and you said that if they had told the truth, it would have made a boring movie. And God you are a dumb fuck! Of course the baseball movie would suck, because it's not fucking true, that's the point I was making. Do you fail to see how what you say makes no fucking sense at all.
dylanfanatic22 3 years ago
1. I never said it was full of lies :P
2. I never said "fink"
3. You really should do some research on some of the mythology mentioned in the film so you will stfu
4. Believing everything that is presented to you especially in a film like this is funny cause it shows how sheep-like you really are and that's the kind of crap the presentors seem to want to abolish
sleepyriggles 3 years ago
Far out I am so glad your sources are so indepth and far reaching, thanks for getting the ziegeist movie to even more people and helping the slow death of christianity and organized religion move along, peace love and truth
tarvensays 3 years ago 2
Isn't the amount of claimed gods in the world enough to turn you off any religion? I know Zeitgeist is not 100% fact, but just seeing all the different people that Jesus COULD be compared too, is enough to realize that any civilization can make up stories to help them answer all the "life" questions people want to know about. C'mon religious followers, get real
scorch260 3 years ago 2
Mitrhas did not had 12 disciples. lol
AfricanH3ro 3 years ago
here is a question......................if I made up some facts, put them in a book and got it published and some one else cited my book would that make their work true????
devastatingdoug 3 years ago
we all need the ability to believe in what we choose, we cannot "prove" Christianity or atheism to the point where everyone can agree. You cant even get a handful of people to agree on one type of pizza let alone an entire system of government. I don't think the Venus project or anything zeitgeist is saying would work in reality, you could say that if the whole world agreed to be christian we would all live in a utopia. perhaps that makes more sense then a bunch of atheists.
devastatingdoug 3 years ago
Fuck just give up. theism is infinatley illogical,infinatley improbsble,terrifing if true, and cleary ripped off of astrolegy. What make you more right then a muslim? There could be infinate amout of these created and only one could be right because they contradict eachother And that is beig very generous because the probibility that the universe was even desighned is also infinatley improbable. So you basing all your beliefs on a infanitely small chance within an infinatley small chance.
theathiestguy 3 years ago
I don't know why people go through such lengths to disprove this movie... Having a religion that you believe in requires faith. Those of you that practice a faith should be thankful that God has put people like this on the planet to challenge His followers.
Yeah, some of the information about the other messiahs is bent and just flat out wrong, but it still remains true that Jesus is most likely a representation of the Sun.
coammaoc 3 years ago
You think a Christian produced this???? It would be a lot more genuine if an athiest produced info debunking Zeitgeist. But if your entire existence were based on these archaic premises you might be tad biased don't you think.
jayjohn68 3 years ago
why do all these zeitgeist movies and zeitgeist responses have to use that lame OMINOUS MUSIC hahaha
edpascasio 3 years ago
Good Work ;)
Another error in Zeitgeis is when they talk about Jesus in historical books other than the Bible. There they say Christ only means The anointed, but it also means Messia. If you look at one of the teksts, you will see it talks about Jesus Christ from Gallileia. How many Anointed/messias from Gallileia was there on that time? none other than Jesus.
sCuooper 3 years ago
yea wit horus the battle between sun and set,,i looked that up and it turns out it was a expression when upper eygpt was against lower egypt
and also,horus was the god of sky and WAR
uncharateristic of JESUS dont ya think??
tabster28 3 years ago
horus fits the basic astralogical procces like jesus does, the deatails dont matter. They fit the same model of story. Only the deatails vary.
theathiestguy 3 years ago
They really did not need this section in the movie, its like yelling at a brick wall. Theist are to stupid to change their beliefs and its almost pointless to try. But i also agree with the idea that we will never be able to do the venus project with theism in the way.
theathiestguy 3 years ago
Out of all the comments on this page, yours stuck out the most. Here's my problem, If Jesus is the way to heaven, then all other prophets are the way to heaven also. Cuzz you can't prove, in a court of law, that jesus even existed. Now i know there's a creator of all things, but religion for me is not the answer. Take a second and think about what a Deja Vu is and you'll see that all you need is you.
Reseda1994 3 years ago
before you try and prove something wrong why don't you get another source besides wikipedia? Shows how smart you are.
mhedinge 3 years ago
Point being these stories that were told long before the stories in the bible share similar foundations. Early Christians could have very well converted the tales of Hordes and Attis to make the bible. Over the years the bible has been converted many times and there's so many versions of it. How Are we to believe which is right and what is said in it? And do to your errors in grammar I question the accuracy in your little video. You can't fight historical text with Wikipedia or Google.
xXxNecrolatryxXx 3 years ago
I was almost sucked in by this video, but when you look up the facts there are way too many holes, if the have such solid evedence against christ......why is it so weak, why do they have to distort so many facts about the other deitys, for example krisha was accedently killed by a hunter, and he did not get resurected :S
The ironic part is the creator of the video "encourages" people to look up the "facts". I suppose when you say some thing like that lazy people will just take his word for it.
devastatingdoug 3 years ago 2
I agree, this isnt very good evidence againt the bible. I did think that astrological part was good but they should of never of put this in the video. Zeitgeist was amazing without it and adendum topped zeitgeist and it also didnt attack theism at all. I say we should let theist dwindel down to small ommish like societys and let the rest of society prosper with the venus project>
theathiestguy 3 years ago
all i know is that i read about the life and birth of krisna and all the stuff about him are wrong
rubiksking12345 3 years ago
that people make such a big fuss about this -__-
JeZebeL2600 3 years ago
BTW, the word "emaculate" as in conception, had a very different meaning in scholastic spheres. It didn't mean virgin birth, it meant "extremely clean", as in "Look ma, my hands are emaculate!" Read Oxford Press, "The Other Bible." It explains why there were so many commonalities among religions, (ie; the Buddha statue is the Greek God Apollo, wearing a Greek Toga). First appeared in india after the Greek invasion. Buddhist I know don't care, it's got nothing to do with the message.
chickenmcthug 3 years ago
I commend you on pointing out various errors in Zeitgeist, which bothered me. Manley P. Hall sounds responsible it sounds. An old book, which tricked me also. However, don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Political, or religious, "This Is The Only Way", is Fascism. We've gotta get away from this, back to the "spirit" of Christianity. I know a lot of really cool old hippy Christians, and they're so different and loving in thier "faith". Don't make Christ about hate. It's just a dream.
chickenmcthug 3 years ago
you are just giving mindless religious people a reason to keep them in ignorance. You tried way to hard, not convincing at all, you are only giving people an excuse who dont want to face the truth
asierra1492 3 years ago
Very good. It is a wonder why people try to corrupt the truth such as this video Zeitgeist. Good job on pointing out it's errors....
donandshannon 3 years ago
almond seeds crept into that nymph! hokey shit
fortiyourass 3 years ago 2
sources, Wikipedia? oh for fucks sake...
evilsinz 3 years ago
Nice job. I really liked the video and how you corrected the mistakes. I noticed those errors myself and others that I researched.
Shegar101 3 years ago
The fact that there are serious spelling and grammar mistakes within the first 30 seconds of your video does not bode well for the credibility of your clip! Also you seem to have misinterpreted the story of Attis - the word "nymph" does not refer to the modern day meaning but to the meaning within the context of greek mythology - meaning any member of mythological entities in human female form. The Almond falling into her lap means no physical intercourse actually took place... go to school!
freemindedkiwi 3 years ago 3
Right ON ! freemindedkiwi.
Swico 3 years ago
Fuck
xfugx 3 years ago
The more the video went on, the more I realized, you're just trying too hard.
way2high2behere 3 years ago 5
no proof needed ask a freemason he will tell u according to the teachings josephus had the holy grail and that is the cup not the uterus
Eltinoski 3 years ago
wheres the proof that jesus existed or maybe even some proof that jocephus wasnt a fraud?
MoeSlislack 3 years ago
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MOE! DOROTHY MURDOCK, the non-scholar who wrote The Christ Conspiracy and Suns of God, has been proven conclusively to be full of crap. Watch ZEITGEIST CHALLENGE EXPOSES ACHARYA S 1-3, ZEIGEIST EXPOSED 1-8, THE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS 1-4, ZEITGEIST REBUTTAL parts 1-3. ZEITGEIST REFUTED 1-10.
MagusSolitudo 3 years ago
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MagusSolitudo 3 years ago
your a used tampon rotting in the sun
stonershake 3 years ago
this guy is a dumb ass. zeitgeist = OWNED your god....
stonershake 3 years ago
I have a better question, you're trying to disprove the points made in zeitgeist, indicating that religion is based on old superstitions and polytheism traveling for millenia to become what they are. yet you clearly list the ?shabbat? as the holy day. Can you not see the sabbath, and it's clearly polytheistic background in clear contrast with monotheism. ?
Burnfactor77 3 years ago
can u prove what you're sayin is true,that would really help,are there links online sites to help with what u typed on your video
HalfBreedSoCal 3 years ago
stories all stories
Jesus is no different then Superman.
digitalkrash 3 years ago
and in all honestly, I cannot believe anything you state in the movie, credit your sources... and i hope you didnt get all of your info from that devineevidence site lol... what a load of bull. Zeitgeist = Truth.
sean8604 3 years ago
You need to get your facts straight.
CasualtyofProduction 3 years ago
your source is wikipedia?
now I am wondering if even this information is accurate...
not just wikipedia, but there is a lot of garbage people need to sift through on the internet to find what is accurate.
strawberryporridge 3 years ago
true that.
sean8604 3 years ago
a lot of zeitgeists fucking sources are from Satanists.
notkaliesmash 3 years ago
Seriously, I cant understand what you want from me...and I thought my english is bad
MrMudd1988 3 years ago
actually, people that learn English as a second or third language, tend to speak and type it clearly, I know this as I have dated numerous foreign chicks, and they always dot every I and cross every T... you know what i mean ;)
sean8604 3 years ago
@MrMudd1988 lol
guitarchickcrazy137 1 year ago
@MrMudd1988
ProjectRegenesis is the one who believes the 1st "think" he heard and denies all others say. Look up and trust your common since.
coyweb 1 year ago
you are just one of those people that accept a lie as long as the lie puts the thing down you hate the most. pthetic
MrMudd1988 3 years ago
do you meant "hurt"?
MrMudd1988 3 years ago
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Everything in the Zeitgeist Movie is true, except:
1) Jesus' birth is October 21.(Luke 2: 8) shepherds stayed with their flocks in the fields only from Spring to Autumn. It is thus unlikely that the shepherds are out in December.
2) Jesus' disciples is more than 120 during His ascension.
3) The VCHIP or as the Bible described in Revelation 13:16-18 as the mark of the beast.
4) Only the Bible predicted all these things, & you might as well believe that only Jesus saves before it's too late!
rguerzo 3 years ago
this is sooooooo stupid,face the truth christian theory is unlogical and based on greek myths paul invented all that the roman killer
azir111 3 years ago
The spelling error at :22 makes this video's validity fall apart. You can't change people's opinions if your video editing software doesn't have spell-check.
zedlacher 3 years ago
You dumb fuckers have been googling this shit! Try reading actual fucking textbooks and you'll be amazed. I was once all for wikipedia, until I went to University and my teachers showed me how inaccurate that shit is compared ti HISTORICAL TEXT BOOKS. You should be ashamed, at least the zietgeist guy made more fucking effort than you did.
joshyb2k 3 years ago
the creator of zeitgeist sourced his information from translated texts, not google. fuck google, go to a museum, consult REAL scholars, teachers, lecturers fuck google.
moofdebowl 3 years ago
shut up wikipedia is a load of shit. my university teachers are like dont u fucken dare use wikipedia to source any information.
moofdebowl 3 years ago
This video is a bit better than part one, but still needs a lot of work.
Additionally, most people seem to disregard Wikipedia as a source. This is slightly unfair, because most larger articles (those that receive frequent traffic) are well-sourced and kept in good condition by Wikipedia's concerned userbase.
Still, it is much better to cite the sources that Wikipedia itself has in citation, because those sources are the ones which can be assessed properly.
vhs1983 3 years ago
The Zeigeist creators weren't looking to be factual. An example is of two coworkers and another comment i saw on this.
My two coworkers mentioned that they had no idea there were so many similarities, and when i told them about typing 'zietgeist wrong' into youtube, they seemed uninterested.
Another was a post by a youtuber saying "For awhile I questioned my faith, but then after seeing your video my faith is strong again."
Not everyone checked for a coutner video.
offthebackfoot 3 years ago
All they wanted to do was weaken the faith people had in Christianity. Although it wasn't necessarily truthful, they got the results they were looking for.
I can see by messages on teh Zeigeist videos that clearly, they have weakened many peoples faiths.
To me, there was no way that so many people would believe in christianity if these similarities were true.
Thanks for posting this video.
offthebackfoot 3 years ago
So ture peole are not intrested in geting some real facts. They like the idea of bashing God/Christianity. Makes them comfortable. They love to call us ignorant for beliveing everything without checking it out and than they themself just belive something because it make them comfy.
MrMudd1988 3 years ago
Well it was insightful till the end when I saw that you got some of your facts from Wikipedia. Trust me you need to find a better source for facts other than wikipedia. Yet, I see you had two other sources, but I don't know which facts you got from wikipedia. Don't use a source that can be edited by anonymous people that might not know what the hell they are talking about. Wikipedia is a very bad reference. Also, you might want to have a few more sources then just 3 to back up your evidence.
f1207 3 years ago
You can google my facts and you will find a lot of em. Btw if you wirte something on wiki you have to back your claims up with sources on the bottom. You can see them when you use it.
MrMudd1988 3 years ago
Samantics dude.. samantics.
petepamf 3 years ago
My question is, why do you write with bad grammar and spelling mistakes? FFS, spellcheck that shit.
Journeyman42 3 years ago
I am sorry for misspelling words. English is not my mother language. I hope you still got the message.
MrMudd1988 3 years ago
Dude you are 100% wrong about Attis. this is from Sir James George Frazer (1854--1941). BOOK: The Golden Bough. 1922.
"his death and resurrection were annually mourned and rejoiced over at a festival in spring"
f1br30p7ix 3 years ago
at 1:51 in this video Jesus doesn't do the same thing?
f1br30p7ix 3 years ago
Actually the bible says that JEsus was dead for 3 days and than soke to his deciples.
MrMudd1988 3 years ago
doesn't jesus say to God, Forgive them father for they don't know any better or something? Like Krishna telling the Hunter (Which could be Orion) that he is forgiven for his actions?
You got to admit there is a parallel there.
f1br30p7ix 3 years ago
No mention of virgin mother for Mithra?
What are you talking about? The Seleucide temple in Kangavar (Iran) is dedicated to "Anahita, virgin mother of Lord Mithras"...
zaino77 4 years ago
Do you have some sources I can't find anything that says Anahita is his virging mother.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
Here we need to make a dinstinciont: is the persian version of Mithra's myth that takes Anahita like virgin. The engraving on the temple is the only direct font I can give you, sorry!
Anyways, really I don't understand where the hell did they found Dioniso is son of a virgin! He was son of Semele and Zeus, and raised in Zeus leg after the death of the mother. Anyways there's so many diffenrent versions of the myths that I can't tell for sure.
zaino77 4 years ago
Well I guess I have to search more than :)
Yep these Religions can be very confusing. I dont say that my video is 100% right, but I know that most of Zeitgeist claims are extremly stretched or made up. Thats my main point.
I like the claim about Dionysus "only begotton son"...ehmm Zeus had more than one child (Hercules for example)! ^^
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
I gotta tell you that I agree with the message o the movie, 'cause I'm actually fighting against Christian religion (all religions, but being Italian, I particularly disagree with them). But there are many sources way more accurate than this, which really disappoints me in some points. Cheers!
zaino77 4 years ago
You mean the idea that Chritianity is falsified? Through differn dietys? Well you can belive that but most scienetist reject this idea. And I clearly showed that Zeitgeist is stretching facts so that it fits their victim.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
What I believe is that Jesus Christ (which is not at all a name but just the attributes given to most of the Essene-Zealot messiahs) is just one of the messiahs, probably Giovanni of Gamala. I believe that the Christianity made manipulations of the Gospels and ancient classical latin texts (sorry for the BAD english!) to hide contradictions and fill the void. If you want, when I have time I can share what I learned.
zaino77 4 years ago
Ok you mean that over the time the romans and others translated wrong or did it on purpose?
Sure, let me know what you know.
btw: My english isn't that good either ^^
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
The egyptian hieroglyphics have been around longer than any of your supposed "facts"
taurine97 4 years ago
U can also see part one of this where I talk about Egyp mythologie.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
In case you all dont know...wikipedia has been proven to be a false website..providing information that can not be used.
taurine97 4 years ago
As is said on page one of the comments more sources. BTW coud u show me where I can see that Wiki is false?
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
Jesus was born where the three stars(threee kings) lined up with the britghtest star and the sun. Egyptians called god, the sun...therefor..the SON OF GOD.
taurine97 4 years ago
First off, the birt date of Jesus is made up by catholics. The bible does not metion the oroginal bithdate of Jesus. Does the cotholics paganised christianity? Sure, no doubt. I reject those ideas of the roman church because all what they have made up is none biblical. Well you can't just because SON and SUN sound the same in english say that those things are realted to each other.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
Five stars, because all the information you provide is right. Peter Joseph (Zeitgeist maker) can share his point of view with the others, but a message based in lies will never be correct.
YamboBodoni 4 years ago
Thank you and I agree!
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
The Bible says Satan is the Father of lies. He will try to distract all from the truth! This Zeitgeist is the proof! Good rebuttal.
brokentines 4 years ago
I just don't understand.. why... Alex Jones..author of Zeitgeist... . supported .. David Koresh sect... if he doesn't believe any religion...
TequilAndLime 4 years ago
it proves the movie over generalized and twisted a few facts about Krishna..
But over all I think this Christian propaganda...
Have any of you thought neither might be right? Youtube Ethics of Hell
buffdaddy3144 4 years ago
Lol propaganda?
Well, if tuth is propagand than its a damn good propaganda. Go and check the sources fou yourself.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
virgin birth = either no sex involved OR impregnation by a God (Zeus).
December 25= no proof of Jesus' existence, but you celebrate his birth on 25... hmmm paganism?
crucifixion= horrible or painful death.
This video actually proves the movie was telling a lot of truths... but alas, Zeitgeist is guilty of propaganda also... Why do you need people to think for you?
buffdaddy3144 4 years ago
virgin Birth: either Zeus became Human and had sex or gods made sex with other gods.
Dec 25th made up by catholics the bible does not mention the birthdate. Jesus is mentioned 42 times within 150 years after his life by 42different authors (christians and none christians) Cesar mentioned 10 times and he is also exepted as an esisted man. Is chritianity paganised? Yes no doubt. Do I like that? No!
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
hahahaha, Caeser mentioned him, he lived before Jesus was supposed to have existed.
Christianity is like all other religions, to enslave us. To be honest, I was disappointed to find the Zeigtgeist resorted to propaganda when it didn`t have too. The fact that EVERYTHING written about was done AFTER he died by people who don`t know him, does not support the fact that he existed. no the historic sources that NOTE Jesus`existence are sketchy AT BEST.
buffdaddy3144 4 years ago
Well if you think so fine I don't have a problem with that.
BTW: I ment Cesaer is mentioned 10 times within 150 Years after his life. I didn't ment that he mentioned Jesus 10 times.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
So he is mentioned 10 times and Jesus 42 times.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
What was the reason for Jesus death? All these God's died and than just go to heaven. You just stratch the facts like the maker of zeitgeist.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
No, I scratch those facts because Creationism is a joke. There is NO Original sin because Genesis never ACTUALLY happened. The message of Zeitgeist is correct, but they use lies to make it more convincing.. Although I resent religion and what it does to society, i asked the makers of the film to publicly admit to their propaganda. Until they do, I want no part in their movement... what else do you want from me
buffdaddy3144 4 years ago
I want nothing from you. I never mentioned Creationism. And I don't know how old the earth is. If you want to belive in Evloution ok if you belive its fact ok. I don't care. Do you want to discuss the vid or do you just want to attack me?
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
I am not attacking you. Evolution is not a theory devised to disprove Christianity. It simply exists, and is the truth. If you want proof, I can provide it for you. Religion is used to enslave the mind... The movie was wrong to distort the truth to bring us this message. It doesnt make the message wrong, its just that those that push it are corrupt.
buffdaddy3144 4 years ago
the basis of Christianity is based on the fact that he died to save us from Original Sin. Since Original Sin (creationism) never happened, Christianity`s bubble is burst. There was no reason to accept Jesus as the son of God, based on this principle. I believe in all of Jesus` concepts (peace, love, unity) i just believe Religion is unnecessary to achieve these ideals...
buffdaddy3144 4 years ago
Zeitgeist twists the truth a little to support their claims, and I AM morally opposed to that. But it doesn`t mean eveyone should revert back to a corrupt religion, just because Zeitgeist fucked up.
buffdaddy3144 4 years ago
Corrupt?
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
YOu where there form the beginning? You know or you belive? Did you saw it with your own eye? I feel goog with Jesus I have peace and I don't fear death. I don't need Evolution.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
Maybe.. without religion.. you wouldn't know.. those concepts..
TequilAndLime 4 years ago
I know enough about Evolution. It's not that I reject it as a christian. I reject it because it makes no sense. I don't belive in accident. Last week I have seen a doku abput Evolution they presneted all kind of lieing stuff. You can strech everything I dont care about Evolution maybe you do and thats ok so. But leave me alone with it I know enough to reject it.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
Actually, evolution has proven itself on every level...
I can cite examples, but you cant post links on here =S
buffdaddy3144 4 years ago
I know Youtube censors wirte for example w w w dot page dot c o m
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
look I don`t want to cram all this down your throat... If you are interested in knowing why you DON`t know enough about evolution to know its wrong, I will be happy to discuss it with you. If not, whatever! Your beliefs are your right... God bless Free will =)
buffdaddy3144 4 years ago
Well, we can discuss it. The problem is we both think we know the truth. So everything you present will be rejected from my point and you will reject my stuff ^^. But lets try if you want to.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
Where is you backup on these facts mr mudd?
taurine97 4 years ago
I don't have to justify myself or for what I belive. It is well known that Zeitgeist got theit sources just from anti religous books that have no scienetific backgrounds. The sources I presented here are the truth go on page one of the comments for more sources. showed that zeitgeis is lieing intntional to fit their victim. You can't reject those facts because they are real.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
Stalin.. was an atheist... and he didn't use religion.. to enslave the minds... Hitler .. wasn't religious either.. Pol Pot ,Mao Tse Tung .. were atheists... there .. is nothing wrong with the religion... . yes people use religion to enslave.. other people minds... but... it's .. human nature..
TequilAndLime 4 years ago
read Michael Cremo .. "Forbidden Archeology"
TequilAndLime 4 years ago
Sorry I accidentally posted German book titles. I will check if they are available in english.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
I can give you more if you need more sources.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
Fox, William Sherwood, The Mythology of All Races, v.1, Greek and Roman, 1916, General editor, Louis Herbert Gray.
Jameson, Michael. "The Asexuality of Dionysus." Masks of Dionysus. Ed. Thomas H. Carpenter and Christopher A. Faraone. Ithaca: Cornell UP, 1993. ISBN 0-8014-8062-0. 44-64.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
Detienne, Marcel Dionysos. Göttliche Wildheit. dtv, München 1995 ISBN 3-593-34728-8
Bachofen, Johann J: Das Mutterrecht, eine Untersuchung über die Gynaiokratie der alten Welt nach ihrer religiösen und rechtlichen Natur, 1861
Frazer, James G: The golden bough (mehrbändig), London 1963.
Mailahn, Klaus: Der Fuchs in Glaube und Mythos, Lit, Münster 2006, ISBN 3-8258-9483-5, S. 335-347
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
More? ok!
Jane Ellen Harrison, Themis: A Study of the Social Origins of Greek Religion, 1912. [2]
Smith, William, Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, 1870, article on "Titan".
Martin Litchfield West, The Orphic Poems, 1983.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
Friedrich Nietzsche: Die Geburt der Tragödie aus dem Geiste der Musik Frankfurt: Insel, 2000 ISBN 3-458-16608-4
Karl Kerényi Die Mythologie der Griechen - Die Götter- und Menschheitsgeschichten München: dtv, 1994 ISBN 3-423-30030-2
Karl Kerényi: Dionysos: Urbild des unzerstörbaren Lebens. 2. Aufl. Klett-Cotta, Stuttgart 1998, ISBN 3-6089-1686-5
Robert von Ranke-Graves Griechische Mythologie - Quellen und Deutung Reinbek: Rowohlt, 2001 ISBN 3-499-55404-6
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
"Myth and Symbol in Ancient Egypt" by R.T. Rundle Clark, p. 216
KP Robinson-Campos, Mithraism and Christianity: Myths and Origins, University of New Mexico (2006). G. Frazer, Adonis, Attis, Osiris (1907, new ed. 1961).
DR Morse, Mithraism and Christianity: How Are They Related, Journal of Religion and Psychical Research (1999)
E Winter, Mithraism and Christianity in Late Antiquity - Ethnicity and culture in Late Antiquity, London/Swansea, 2000
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
This is a sources M. Singer, ed., Krishna: Myths, Rites and Attitudes (1965) thats just one of 100 of the page...
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
okay, i myself am trying to debunk Zeutgeist in order to tell whether or not it is a well sorce for religous comparities. but i must tell you that if your best soure is wikipedia and other unlegit' websites i am sorry my friend you have a weak arguement... these websites you use for sources are not legit but only writen by ametures and people with there own opiions....
STUPIDSTUNTS4KIDS101 4 years ago
The pages have sources to original scriptures so do wikipedia.
By the way check out the sources of zeitgeist they are ridiculous. Just anti Christian books with no sources but other anti christian books.
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
If you read it on the internets it must be TRUE!!! ...right?
get some credibility then make a video that someone might want to believe.
Zeitgeist does not get their credibility from the internet.
jcallahan9 4 years ago
But they get their sources from antireligous books and these books have no scientific backgrounds go to the page and check them for yourself. Be rational ;)
MrMudd1988 4 years ago
Are you sure they are "antireligous" books, or books that discuss findings that are contrary to your beliefs.
If you only read and agree with content that is in line with your belief system that does not unnecessarily mean it's fact.
Which can go both ways, i guess. It's more important to look a the credentials of the author of the content.
The scientific community bases it's content that way and from that we have planes, medicine, cars and other benefits based on this principle.
f1br30p7ix 3 years ago
Thats right we don't even have to argue about this. I just showed that zeitgeist is lieing alot about these so called "saviours" . NOt in all points but they realy strech it and that is fact. Also many scienetists rejects those books because all they do is streching facts so that they fit their critics.
MrMudd1988 3 years ago
Sure I can agree with that. I've been meaning to look at a the sources of the zeitgeist. They have them listed on the site.
Peace v.
f1br30p7ix 3 years ago