Saras Aircraft, NAL, India

[PunKrockers182]

ATTENTION :

Soon Indian navy's existing Dornier planes will be replaced by NAL SARAS  !!

[simpollux]

Once these technical issues are resolved and a stable airframe comes out, I'd just love to see a Saras Business aircraft version. With its pusher propeller configuration, the Saras just looks so interesting!

[Mrparrot73]

@Steven4466 Do not despair Britain. One day you will be able to build your own space programme. You will even be able to have your own rockets and spaceprobes and will be able to even send things to the moon. India did not despair and neither should you.

[pavycare]

i really regret for those people who comments badly about this achievement... all the people like you, who comments badly, studying here in India in iit's and top universities and going to abroad for your own comfort and money... then you are expecting (India), the name alone to develop modern and most advanced aircrafts! shameless people... !!!

[navratna1]

Guys hurry up....u r tooooo slow.... rest of the world is too fast...new technologies getting old very next day.  THia saras and LCA i heard when I was child... now very soon I will have my own children.

[Mrparrot73]

@navratna1 You are mixing up military and civilian technologies. In the whole world, only America and France make decent civilian aircraft. Brazilian Embraer makes some half decent small planes. That's about it.

India has an advanced space programme that countries like UK, Germany, etc cannot even dream of coming close to.

[sumittechkgp]

It really has ducky look ... quak quak .... very cute looking machine :)

[szybkilopez566]

It is a shameless knock-off a Learjet 45 with a vulgar thing in front of it.

[simpollux]

@szybkilopez566

That 'vulgar thing' is an instrumentation probe- something you don't know anything about, eh?

Stick your tongue out- that's Instrumentation 101, for starts.

[szybkilopez566]

@simpollux Never heard of sarcasm, right...? I still do maintain though that this plane is a poor man's Learjet from a country that has no idea of "intellectual property". Period.

[RicardoATBwatcher]

OK, but had it to be yellow?

[LTF85199]

Love the music.. what is its name?

[12329Rohan]

who invented this airplane.

[sprtkmitra]

@12329Rohan National Aerospace Limited(Govt. of India)

[stalkingalizee]

Why waste your time with pusher propellers? Just build a Lear Jet.

[zulquarnainanwar]

is that why it got crashed!

[maxxbad17]

@zulquarnainanwar that's still a prototype...maybe they will later develop other variants!

[KarthikSoun]

There does not seem to be too much enthusiasm after a test flight like in the US! Also one of the test pilots died in a crash i hope thats not him!!

[niranjanprabhu]

@pogularocky: The only thing we need to keep in mind is that the pilots could not have refused to this job as they were IAF guys ordered to test this plane.

[pogularocky]

What the hell were they thinking in the paint department? LOL... But, the plane itself is nice.

[444446VF]

IT IS INDIA 'S LOW WEIGHT AIRCRAFT

[kamasutrair]

tel::+44 07903232866.

[cray0308]

does anyone know what is the status of the fact finding committee after the crash? what is the future plan?

[sat002]

Final prototype(PT3) which will be close to production version will be flown in 3 to 4 months from now. Weight reduction is taken care my most use of composites in the airframe.

[niranjanprabhu]

I donno why anyone is so proud of this piece of crap. It crashed in march this year killing 3 brilliant IAF pilots. It has serious design flaws, one of them being engine placement and the other being its damn weight.....

[jaggedspike]

Planes crash idiot.

[pogularocky]

@niranjanprabhu

LOL... That is exactly why they test planes for 3 or 4 years before selling them. Of course test flights are risky. Those pilots knew the risks when they got into the plane that day.

[jalataranga]

great vid...thank you for sharing.

yeah and more and more assbackward porkies here critisizing when they don't even make donkeycarts !!!

[nxtvctm]

I got lucky once and was allowed a tour of this aircraft at HAL. The aircraft was beautiful, the only thing it was missing was proper Aircon for the pilots which we were making jokes about.

[zulquarnainanwar]

Migs have been crashing there and i met an Indian guy out here in Oz and he was telling me about a government scan in which under standard parts are being put into their

[Type59]

Pilots were drunk?

[mjok2004]

3 guys just died in prototype 2. RIP

This aircraft looks like the shuttle

[LTF85199]

Very Sad, did they ever say what the cause of the Saras crash?, They say the aircraft was 7100kg overweight! It is a 14 seater plane. 3 were on board so 11 left. 11 times 60kg average is 660kg max much much less than 7100 kg. So i think the aircraft was way too heavy for that small slender wing. It looks like it has a very high stall speed too. probably about 110knots. They seriously need to cut some weight and or make those wings bigger.

[mjok2004]

I read that the crash happened at slow speed while testing.

[LTF85199]

Makes sense, it stalled, they probably weren't at sufficient altitude to recover speed and control.

[zulquarnainanwar]

ha! and i bet they are going to build a shuttle like a STOL!

[zulquarnainanwar]

Copycat! Weeeee....get a life indian aviation market!

[rriturajg]

why are u pakis obsessed with india?

[zulquarnainanwar]

you are gay and i am not paki. I fucked your mamma when you were being bore out of her fuckhole. btw the Great India plane crashed killing you fucking cunts.

[rriturajg]

fuck u,even though u live in New Zealand,u r a paki!!so fuck u,and fuck ur mom,and fuck ur family and fuck ur race,and yes u are fucked,!wont take much time for pakistan to change into a radioactive desert!

[LTF85199]

Copy of what aircraft, be specific!

[zulquarnainanwar]

"India's Comptroller and Auditor General strongly criticized NAL's performance late last year, recommending the proposed development of a 70-seat regional transport be reviewed in the light of the difficulties with the Saras and the limited success of NAL's first design"

Its a mix and mingle of cessna wings onto the body of a learjet with the engines of a beechcraft. Fuck India for the death of their laidback design.

[LTF85199]

I think it is an innovative design, there are several benefits for that configuration. I strongly believe it will succeed. They will learn from their mistakes. Look at the Osprey program, odd looking plane with endless utilities, and its early stages how many fatal crashes yet it finally succeeded. Mistakes happens in life some times fatal, only thing we can do is to learn and correct them.

[Type59]

Also too expensive, compared to competation. People are gonna buy something cheaper andf proven technology. Osprey was very unique. Saras is not meant to be unique.

[LTF85199]

Sorry, i don't medicine for jealousy! :)

[zulquarnainanwar]

Agreed! There are some pro Indians here who would vouch for borrowed Indian technology for nothing. HAL is the only aircraft research and development company in India that is run by the government, and their track record show that they have been borrowing from the Russians and the Americans rather than being innovative. Sukhoi 30 MKi is an example, the failure of SARAS is another. interceptors and bombers.

[Type59]

Worst thing is they wont admit it. I hear often the word "indeginous" truth it is not. Its nothing wrong to copy, worse is to fork out dollars to import the product.

[zulquarnainanwar]

yeah, the fact is that there are some guys who claim that the Indian made Dhruva multirole helicopter was totally autonomous, but the fact is that its entire design is Russian with some swash plate technology from Germany , but i hate Chinese worse cause they are copying crafts and selling them to third world nations like Pakistan and Sri Lanka

[LTF85199]

Wow dude, you are pretty disturbed aren't you, look at all the negative comments you made on this video alone, what is wrong with you?  Telling me to get a life :D

[zulquarnainanwar]

I think you acted very silly, so did i. But your knowledge of Air crafts seems to be driven by being pro- India, and i was being just pro-technology. I think i made my point.

[Type59]

In recent history, America copied the British model of industrialisation. Japan copied Europe. Tiawan and Korea copyed America and Europe. When you was at school, you learnt stuff that was already learnt by millions. Point is the nations that copied eventually began to innovate. Japanese cars reputation was bad for many years only in last 30 years has their reputation gradually improved.

[zulquarnainanwar]

well... learning and copying are two different things, had it been the same there would have been no innovation, but innovation comes from knowing what you don't know, and that eventually is learning act in which you differ your strata of knowledge from the already acquired knowledge of humanity.

[zulquarnainanwar]

I think that you can understand now and won't try to weigh learning and copying on the same scale case the point which you raise is spuriously raised by many who break the copyrights applying the same silly logic that you did and trying to prove the point by giving silly examples from the history. Listen, reputation comes from serving the market, innovation come from serving your curiosity and need to differ from those "reputed" things in the world.

[Type59]

Idealy yes, everyone wants to be innovative, but you got to learn already set principles. Theres a reason why the wings of boeing and airbus passenger planes look similiar and why they have changed little over the decades. Also cost comes into it, innovation cost money. If you got a fraction of the budget of e.g BMW, do you give up and say no point of me making cars. No you seek out the low end of the market, by designing cheap cars but also good quality.

[Type59]

Second part of post. How do you maintain price advantage, u use tried and tested technology. Eventually as company grows, you will need to spend more on R&D to maintain growth. Thats the theory. This plane fails because it has suffered many delays and is more expenive then established rivals.

[zulquarnainanwar]

Certainly, that's what i said in my former statements, but its doesn't fits anyway into your "better to copy than to innovate philosophy", how do you say it "bring me a mug of coffeee cause i like the price advantage that it gives to me.

[zulquarnainanwar]

Buddy, I take aviation seriously and i feel that innovation is the key but R&D fits right into the philosphy of a market oriented company,  certainly not for innovators and aviators who would like new things not already established boeings and airbus airframes . we need a Busemann's Biplane now, however idiotic it may seem ! !

[zulquarnainanwar]

and certainly Beoings and Airbus are gonna need innovators not those who claim that copying is a serious business

[selexthales]

You have no brain. Read about Taiwan, S. Korea and Japan's economic history. You will see that before you can innovate you must develop economies of scale. The Japanese were accused of being copiers until1970s. But don't worry you Pakistanis can always beg money from the U.S or work as coolies in China. After all your ancestors have been slaves for thousands of years. You criticize China but your country is dependent on China. Don't worry in 5-10 years China will give coolie visas to Pakistan.

[zulquarnainanwar]

I bet you know nothing about innovative designs, the most innovative design would be the busseman's biplane, not a fucking Indian crap! go get a life!

[jeet2765]

all well and good but seriously can we allow our precious resources to be used like this.i dont want to sound negative but we need to concentrate on projects that metter. it wont look too good if asked to fly into hostile airspace. thats what we need to focus on.

[Ornithocherius]

I am referring to the EMBRAER/FMA CBA-123 VECTOR

[Ornithocherius]

Interesting project and good on India for doing it, just wonder how it compares with the Brazilian plane of the exact same style and specs?

[peanutbutterblah]

Which Brazil aircraft are you speaking of ?

[cookiemonster0626]

its like a toy Weeeeeeee

[MAIDEWANA]

Great upload well done India.

[krenim786]

It is officially the IAF replacement for the dornier transport plane.good stuff thats the way slow and steady.

[ARKIEX]

is this a/c rolling out in the market???

[v89c]

i hate those propallar based aircraft. when are they going to build a jet based civilian aircraft.

[ssingh52]

even turbo prop aircrafts run on gas turbines just like jet engines, though jet engines are more complicated. Turbo props have their own advantage of short take off and landing, and high fuel efficiency

[dbca999]

Propeller engines are more fuel efficient than Jet engines. For its purpose it will be more cost-effective i think. This is not a fighter plane that needs speed too desperately. A Westerner showed me a Garbage collector in Indian university on bullock cart and laughed. I just asked him what is the value of time of the garbage collector. Is it worth the oil he will burn.

[1draculaman]

fuc up u little shit jet u ass come this far thars good enough

[v89c]

it ain't good enough you scumbag. we should dream big. I want to see a 100% indigenous indian aircraft and not a mere 30 or 40% indigenous components.

[raksaaa]

@v89c soon india and russia are jointly developing a tactical transport aircraft..:)

[vrundaful]

@v89c me to i hate propellre based airfract its knida old!

[manumanish]

wow!! well done india...

so indians hv proved how much they r capable of....

its india's first civilian aircraft built indigenously....go india fly high!!!!

jai hind!!!!!!