Boehner Speech on Democrats' Surrender Bill, 4/25/07

[MrJamesL100]

so much for the national debt

[Dsmalldes]

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill

[bestmom30]

how did this speech have anything to do with GAYS? You people just have to get it in anywhere you can, 'eh? There are more pressing issues in our country than allowing you and your boyfriend to have "rights". Get serious!

[sw8741]

reading some of the recent posts on here crack me up. this was almost 2 yrs ago when the democrats threatened to cut funding to the troops! this was the beginning of the "surge" which finally cracked al quedas back in iraq! why are you responding as if this was a recent speech! one other thing...please stop parroting ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, et al. it really does show you don't think much on your own!

[mediamadman747]

If I don't eat carrot cake, I certainly don't listen to it.

[McCainThedivider]

John where were u with the Bush fiasco?The American people need protection from the likes of YOU! All Republicans should be in JAIL!Don't speak 4 us the American people JOHN! VOTE REPUBLICANS OUT!!!

[Hamcarver]

If you are against the war in Iraq...You will certainly not be in favor of WWIII. Which is exactly were this country is heading if we continue to borrow money from other nations (ie CHINA) that we cannot re-pay. Look at our national debt...Then our reserves??? What is wrong with cutting taxes on ALL Americans instead...Oh Yeah... It doesn't do anything for those who don't pay them!

[juggalotus20]

lol

[buzzkill27]

Boehner you're a douchebag...how are you today? are your feelings hurt? Was Nancy Pelosi too mean to you? is that why you don't care about voting for the economic bailout bill?

P.S. Al-Queda was not in Iraq until we decided to go there looking for WMD's that weren't there..you asshole. Saddam Hussein was an atheist and hated Bin Laden..Hussein also kept Iran in check,now that he's gone...Iran is a bigger problem and so is Afghanistan where Al-Queda really is...thanks to morons like you

[NoBlowBama]

buzzkill27 P.S. Al-Queda was not in Iraq until we decided to go there looking for WMD's that weren't there..you asshole.

Liberals think they are geniuses, when they can't even ties their shoes.

[juggalotus20]

lol ouch i think you just powned john boehner

nice

[Hamcarver]

Buzzkill27- The economic "Bailouts" & "Stimulus" packages are the governments way of protecting their OWN interests. Why are some lending institutions afforded TAXPAYER funding, while others are left to fail? Why cut stimulus checks (Again With Taxpayer Dollars) to those who have no tax obligations, and increase taxes on those who are profitable? Explain to me how further spending of debt-laden money in a time of recession with help our economy? Like puting a band-aid on a gunshot wound.

[buzkill27]

I have thought about it further and have decided that maybe I am not right on this issue.

It's just as a gay man it hard to watch this government chase halfway across the world on fictional WMDs when they do nothing for our people at home.

When will someone stand up for gay rights and help people like me and my boyfriend and the homophobia we face on an almost daily basis?

[Hamcarver]

Buzkill27- I am proud of your ability to examine different points of interest in regard to politics. I believe that many citizens of this country make hasty generalizations in choosing political candidates.(Associating views with Parties) If you examine this further you will find Liberals who may support the 2nd Ammendment, as well as Conservatives who stand up for the gay/lesbian community. While I do not personally agree with some of your views, I do believe in your rights as an American.

[buzkill27]

I have thought about it further and have decided that maybe I am not right on this issue.

It's just as a gay man it hard to watch this government chase halfway across the world on fictional WMDs when they do nothing for our people at home.

When will someone stand up for gay rights and help people like me and my boyfriend and the homophobia we face on an almost daily basis?

[sw8741]

as a gay man you really have something to worry about if radical islam keeps gaining. you say homophobia here is bad?? any muslim who believes in Sharia law, and a lot of muslims do, would have the obligation to kill you. stoning or beheading? which do you prefer?

[dotmafia]

Hey Boehner ya drunk!

3,000 of "your fellow citizens" did NOT die on 9/11 you drunk moron.

2,464 Americans died, and 532 people died from over 80 other countries for a total of 2,996 people.

But disrespecting people (especially the rest of the world) is par for the course for the GOP, right?

[ffairlane57]

Hell yeah, y'all!

The U.S.A. is the greatest country in the world. God Bless America!

[overmind25]

There is no difference between the Dems or Reps. They just have different talking points. Both will not end the war.

[Dotveoh]

but one re reduce the America force in in the war with Iraq! hey it better than Reps... which want to stay there for about 100 years!

[atturgalsemaj]

Shut up boner!

[atturgalsemaj]

How about the Ron Paul guy for '08. Hey, he's better than the boner boy.

[benfriendly]

RESEARCH JOHN BOEHNERS TIES TO SALLIE MAE AND HOW HE HAS LINED THEIR POCKETS WITH BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. Anyone who likes this guy should really be shot.

[FairMindedCitizen]

In an al-Qaeda house in Afghanistan, New York Times reporters found a brief statement of the "Goals and Objectives of Jihad": Establishing the rule of God on earth Attaining martyrdom in the cause of God

Purification of the ranks of Islam from the elements of depravity. In 1998, several al-Qaeda leaders issued a declaration calling on Muslims to kill Americans—including civilians—as well as "those who are allied with them from among the helpers of Satan."

[spentporn]

You didn't answer Aerit Red.  What meds are you on.

It's relevant to the conversation because it helps us to understand the chemistry of twisted thinking.

BTW - 1/3 of the dems caved.

The BILL with ALL THE PORK was passed by ALL the Republicans. 2/3 of the Dems voted against it.

Comments?

[justmeintn36]

this guy should be the next president. i like his common sense approach. Job well done John

[sheLovesG]

A sad clown & a lousy actor, pitiful, really.

Also, I wonder what brand of self-tanner he uses, it really goes with the drylook hairdo.

[RedRules4Real]

Hey did everyone see the Democrats surrendered to Bush on the Surrender Bill! They got defeated on the proposal to be defeated! Yeah! Kudos to Boehner, Johnson and etal...

[laleeloolelo]

It ain't over till the bill passed the senate.

[RedRules4Real]

"It ain't over till the bill passed the senate."  It passed.

[laleeloolelo]

I've got mix feeling about that, but i still have hope because at least this happened:

"White House Said to Debate '08 Cut in Troops by 50%"

New York Times, May 26, 2007

[RedRules4Real]

"Sources moron, sources." Typical left fringe nut, too stupid to know when a source is cited. Again, here let me spoon feed you lil baby type: "ABC USATODAY IRAQ POLL" into Google. You'll find a link to: "65% believe coalition forces should stay in Iraq until its government and security forces are stronger and operating independently."

[john48martin]

sources.....google: usa poll iraq

Here is the USA poll. but I didn't use the one from Feb because that is well, 3 months ago, this one is only 1 month old and 81% of Iraqis, not including the Kurds, think we are occupiers. 75% of Baghdad wants us out.

[spokanarama]

How drunk is Boner in this video? I guess if you're going to side with evil, you need something to kill the pain. Hic! Al Queda in Iraq?!?!?! Who's killing our troops? Saudi-backed Sunnis, that's who! Hey Boner, Everyone is wise to your lies, just keep talking. Your lies and the lies of the Bush Administration are the end of the GOP. Hoorah!!!!

[telenlardc64]

Funny that neocons don't want to accept blame for creating an opportunity for alQ in Iraq by their botched handling of the war.

[telenlardc64]

The BBC:

"By 2006, ...Iraqi intelligence officials have issued figures as high as 40,000 fighters plus another 160,000 supporters."

Breitbart dot com: 12000 al qaida in Iraq. (6%)

Globalguerillas dot typepad dot com: "1,000 al Qaeda militants estimated to be in Iraq"

1000/200K = 0.5% of insurgents.

1500 al qaeda in Diyala is very small red.

[laleeloolelo]

You didn't answer my question Red!

Generals like Batiste, Wesley Clark etc have walk the walk and they are AGAINST the war!

You support the war, so will you walk the walk?!

[RedRules4Real]

Your strawman argument is bogus, for so many reasons. If you were a thinking person, you would think about all of the ASSumptions you've made in your bogus and fallacious strawman argument. I just have to laugh at your stupidity.

[laleeloolelo]

Laugh all you want Red, the fact remains you refuse to walk the walk while you support the war, that means you're a COWARD!!

[RedRules4Real]

Sticking to your fallacious strawman argument eh. Okay then, YOU refuse to walk the walk while you oppose the war. Everyone knows that the only way for you to make your point is to join up and then quit (like liberals do) by becoming a conscientious objector, your point is just rhetoric.

[RedRules4Real]

Isn't your real intention (wishful thinking) that those like me who support the war against Islamofascism would "walk the walk" so we would be killed off? Isn't it true you would prefer that so we won't be around to exercise our freedom of speech by disagree with the likes of you? We both know who the real coward is and its YOU!

[laleeloolelo]

You can deny it it all you want Red, but nobody else here believes you. If you're afraid to die just say so.

[RedRules4Real]

"If you're afraid to die just say so." It seems you're admitting that what you really want is for all those who disagree with you to die. That's sick.

[laleeloolelo]

Twist my word all you want Red, won't change the fact of what you are. That's pathetic.

[RedRules4Real]

"Twist my word all you want Red, won't change the fact of what you are" Your words say exactly what you are and you've clearly indicated that if people don't think EXACTLY LIKE YOU, you hate them and want them to die. Left fringe KOOKS have no heart.

[ld5lee]

That's the neocon position red. Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh. Not Blitzer, Matthews, Olberman, Stewart, Colbert.

[RedRules4Real]

"Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh. Not Blitzer, Matthews, Olberman, Stewart, Colbert."

Actually, I listen to all of them, the truth lies somewhere in between. Can you say the same? You're indicating you only listen to those you agree with, those who think EXACTLY LIKE YOU...

[It5lee]

Red, you're saying that Limbaugh has said something close to the truth?

Please tell us what that was, and provide references so that we can have that free and frank discussion without ad hominem attacks.

[RedRules4Real]

"you're saying that Limbaugh has said something close to the truth?" There's just as much truth in what Limbaugh says as in what Mahr says. Listen to both sides, analyze and research what they say, then make up your own mind. Sometimes you have to challenge your own biases...

[Aerit98]

So you say. Give one example.

[laleeloolelo]

"you've clearly indicated that if people don't think EXACTLY LIKE YOU, you hate them and want them to die".

Projecting your character flaw unto others is pathetic Red.

[RedRules4Real]

YOU'RE the one who's clearly indicated that you want people who supportthe war to join the military to be killed in Iraq. As for me, I'm all about free and frank discussions without ad hominem attacks. The record below proves me right. Now that I've proven you are what you are, you can buzz off since the Democrats lost again...

[It5lee]

I agree with you Red!

What's ironic is that you seem to support Boehner or am I mistaken.

Boehner acts like there is nothing to question about the presidents request, "the president asked for..."

He pretends that the president didn't lie to create the impression of "an imminent threat". He pretends that this president still has some amount of credibility.

When all the facts point in the opposite direction.

Have you read the 911 comm. report Red?

[RedRules4Real]

"Have you read the 911 comm. report Red? Yes.

Pg 47, 1998 (on Clinton's watch), bin Laden & al Zawahiri declare war on US. Pg 61, al Qaeda and Iran forge an agreement to carryout actions against Israel and the US. Pg 61, In 1995 bin Laden meets with Sr. Iraqi officials to establish training camps in Iraq and assitance in procuring weapons...

[laleeloolelo]

"YOU'RE the one who's clearly indicated that you want people who supportthe war to join the military to be killed in Iraq".

I want them to back up their words with deeds.

Oh by the way i'm not a democrat, i'm just someone who oppose the war in Iraq.

[RedRules4Real]

"I want them to back up their words with deeds." So if you really oppose the war, in order to back up your words with deeds you have to join up and then become a conscientous objecter. Like it or not, that's the opposite equivalent to your strawman argument? Try to find a more logical argument, okay.

[laleeloolelo]

Red, your argument about conscientious objector is silly, because if you oppose the war then the best way to show it is by not joining in the first place!!

What part of that logic do you not understand?!

[RedRules4Real]

"Red, your argument about conscientious objector is silly, because if you oppose the war then the best way to show it is by not joining in the first place!"

Then we agree, that support or non-support for the war can be mutually exclusive to joining the military. The decision to support or not to support the war is based on a person's interpretation of the issues as seen through the prism of their values (e.g. freedom vs. political ideology, etal.)

[Aerit98]

Is this guy for real? What are your meds Red?

[spentporn]

I'm with aerit on this one.

Again, red...what meds are you on? Your post makes no sense. Facts are facts and logic is logic, regardless of your ideology.

[It5lee]

That's exactly my take lalee!

When people are that 2-faced a reasonable person will deduce that they have an agenda. And with the 53 tons of $100 bills still missing from Bremer's superlative job in Iraq...One must wonder who pays Red.

[RedRules4Real]

"One must wonder who pays Red" - Why? It makes me wonder why you would make a comment like that, are you being paid by someone to troll and flame on youtube?

[Aerit98]

You're spamming Red.

You're a spammer. Cheap neocon trick to occupy the front page. 2 can play that game. Let's see who has more time on their hands. That's the true test of truth for you.

[ld5lee]

Hmmmmmm, sick but tempting red.

[KroveDC]

Al qaeda makes up ~5% of combatants in Iraq NOW, but they essentially did not exist prior to our invasion.

If you think otherwise, site one valid, verifiable reference. BTW - there aren't any. Reason: It's not a fact.

[RedRules4Real]

There are an estimated 1,500 Al Qaeda fighters in Diyala province alone, therefore, there are thousands of al Qaeda in Iraq. They're allied with Sunnis and also the Iranians. It's incumbent upon the US to thwart this growing threat, anything else would be irresponsible of a lone SuperPower. Btw, I don't care if alQ was there before the Iraq invasion or not, it doesn't matter, Islamofascist Jihadis know no borders.

[john48martin]

what is an islamofascist? Do you know what a fascist is? Al Qaeda is not allied with Sunnis any more than true Christians are allied with the likes of Jerry Falwell.

[RedRules4Real]

So you are of the HATE AMERICA first breed? I see.

[KroveDC]

An "islamofascist" is the most syllables a neocon can repeat without thinking.  They practice in front of mirrors, practice saying it during prayer groups, then roll it out during office water cooler discussions.

[KroveDC]

"Sources moron, sources." Typical right fringe nut, too stupid to know when a source is cited. Again, here let me spoon feed you lil baby type:

[KroveDC]

We create our own enemies red. Just like you're doing here.

BTW - Bush has created more extremists that there ever were before 911. So much for the war on terror.

[RedRules4Real]

"Bush has created more extremists that there ever were" I think you're confusing Bush with Clinton, after all, the rise of al Qaeda resulted from the merger of al Zawahiri's organization, 2 Pakistani and a Bangaladesh Fundamental Islamic Extremist Groups, that happened on Clinton's watch, as well as the Taliban coming to power in Afghanistan.

"We create our own enemies red. Just like you're doing here." Nuts always hate people that disagree with them, right?

[KroveDC]

The US funded al qaeda in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation. The US funded it through the CIA. We knew they were fundamentalist muslims then. We did some things to piss them off and they got tired of the US meddling in the region so we became their enemy.

They didn't attack us while we funded them. They decided to attack us when we failed to intervene in the slaughter of palestinians by Israelis, funding Iraq in it's war with Iran, and a few other little goofs.

[RedRules4Real]

"The US funded al qaeda in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation. The US funded it through the CIA." No they didn't, that's just another left fringe anti-government rant. Are you an anarchist or something?

[john48martin]

Who tells you that Liberals are not patriots. Liberals love America as much as the "fringe" right wing. Liberals just use common sense, decency, history and human experience to determine the best case for our country. What methods do Right Wingers use?

[RedRules4Real]

I never said liberals were not patriots, the left wing fringe nutcases may not be, but I'm sure in their own demented way they believe that they are.

[aeriec98]

Oh, btw - I'm so interested in a healthy, wise, wealthy US that I try to defend it from folks like you.

[RedRules4Real]

"Oh, btw - I'm so interested in a healthy, wise, wealthy US that I try to defend it from folks like you." How so?

[aeriec98]

Red has no facts, just empty rhetoric.

Claims of this, attacks on that. Not one reference.

If he had one he'd share it.

You're pathetic. But don't believe me...go to Red's site and see all the comments he's made to himself. Then go beyond those comments to the one's others have left.

You're done red.

[RedRules4Real]

"go beyond those comments to the one's others have left." As usual, you don't know what your talking about...

[john48martin]

The real battle for Iraq is not with Al Qaeda you dolts. Why do you keep soaking this crap up like Boner soaks up martinis? Iraq is fighting for Iraq. Who is the winner, Boner? Shiite death squads? Sunni Death squads? Iran? or does America occupy this country that wants us OUT....In order to do this we would have to commit genecide. Boner of course doesn't mind as long as the bar is stocked. Stop listening to this drunk and his dry drunk boss.

[spentporn]

Right on John48!

The neocons assign propagandists to politically charged You Tube sites to spin the truth and "control the message". 

That's a benefit of being the Corporate Party.

[RedRules4Real]

The blind listening to the deaf, what a shame. Fact is, most Iraqi's want the US to stay. However, like the left fringe liberals, al Qaeda wants the US troops to cut and run and surrender unconditionally as soon as possible.

[john48martin]

Most Iragis do NOT want the US to stay. Poll after poll proves that. 90% want us out and 80% think it is ok to kill Americans. You are so misinformed. Al Qaeda just said they want us to stay so they can kill us there and weaken our military just like they weakened Russia in Afgan.

[RedRules4Real]

You're wrong, check out the ABC, USTODAY poll conducted in Feb, Iraqis across the spectrum do not want an immediate US pull out from Iraq. Get informed before you spout off talking points from the fringe left.

[neoKonscious]

Boner is wrong on another point. We DID start the war with Al Qaeda. CIA funded & trained this group in Afghanistan in `79. Our values & treatment of these people together with general meddling in the middle east for oil, including our treatment of Palestinians, assasination of democratically elected Iran Presidents, propping up of dictator "shahs", etc. created Al Qaeda. They don't attack China. They don't attack Venezuala. They don't attack Japan.

[usus53]

Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until we destabilized it and let them in. They are currently responsible for ~5% of the violence, the remainder is committed between Sunnis & Shia & the US occupying forces.

Democrats aren't "shrinking", they're executing the will of the people (or did you miss the mid-term elections).

You're the kind of nut that believes "they'll follow us home", like they couldn't find the way unless we leave. Moron.

[RedRules4Real]

"The real battle in Iraq is with al Qaeda, the central front in the War on Terror" - yes, Mr. Boehner THAT is an indisputable fact and faced with these facts, the Democrats shrink in the face of the enemy, raise the white flag and declare defeat and surrender to radical Islamic Jihadists. It's sad but true.

[laleeloolelo]

Are you now in Iraq to help US troops fight Al Qaeda?

The fact is fresh recruit is scarce because most war supporters are chickenhawks that like to talk tough but no guts to back them up. So the military had to extend the tour of duty of the remaining soldiers and redeploy them again to fill the "surge"

It's sad but true.

[ericodom]

Always attack the messenger. The Liberal way of debate.

[spentporn]

Exactly the opposite ericodum. Neocons won't debate facts, they invented attack, attack, attack. Hence: "Fox Attacks"

Then...blame the opposite party of your guilty actions.

[RedRules4Real]

Fringe liberals don't present facts they engage in fallacious arguments and launch ad hominem attacks: "Neocons" "chicken hawks" "redneck"

"dolts" "morons" "propagandists" "drunks" they do this because they are incapable of debating and because the facts simply don't back them up. Let the informed people of the world just pity them.

[laleeloolelo]

All right how's this for facts:

No Bin Laden

No WMD (and yes those alumimum tubes are NOT part of mobile weapons lab)

No peace in Iraq

Now can you debate these facts RedRules4Real?

[RedRules4Real]

Facts: The "War on Terror" is more ominous than the ideology that brought us WWII. The goal of the enemy is to bring the world into a fundamental Islamic dominion by way of Jihad. They do not believe in peace, forgiveness and love, only martyrdom. There's no negotiation that will ever convince them otherwise. They'll never be satisfied until we forcibly worship Allah or die. Remember Afghanistan? THEIR goal is to bring that nightmare to the entire WORLD.

[laleeloolelo]

So why attack Iraq? After all none of the hijackers are from there.

I'm NOT against the war on terror, i'm AGAINST the war in Iraq that distract the effort from the real front in the war on terror in Afghanistan.

[FairMindedCitizen]

"The "War on Terror" is more ominous than the ideology that brought us WWII. The goal of the enemy is to bring the world into a fundamental Islamic dominion by way of Jihad. They do not believe in peace, forgiveness and love, only martyrdom. There's no negotiation that will ever convince them otherwise. They'll never be satisfied until we forcibly worship Allah or die." Good comment, this needs repeating until everyone get's it.

[RedRules4Real]

So, when are you going to join up to become concientous objector, because everyone knows that is the only real way to prove your point, anything else is being a chicken sh*t! Right?

[laleeloolelo]

"So, when are you going to join up to become concientous objector".

Me? When are you going to join up?

You support the war, YOU GO.

Anything else is being a chicken sh*t!

[RedRules4Real]

"You support the war, YOU GO." Why would I and others like me leave the troops to people like you with NO SUPPORT AT HOME, that would be stupid. In your case, the only way to really prove your point and for others likes you, is to join up and then become a concientous objector. Anything else is just shooting your mouth off, walk the walk, go for it!

[laleeloolelo]

So you support the war but refuse to go and blame the liberals for your cowardice? Oh well at least your comment show you for the chickenhawk you are.

And in the case of conscientious objector how about Gen. Batiste, Wesley Clark, etc of VoteVets? They walk the walk, how about you?