20th Century Battlefields - 1918 Western Front

[russfromdodge]

And the next part is nowhere to be found??

[urbanwamp]

how did islam become involved in the comments of this video?

[jjkrause84]

"A long, indiscriminate bombardment"???

HARDLY!

Incredible care was taken when choosing targets and observing the damage done over the course of the bombardment. The talking head here probably doesn't even know the difference between a bombardment and a barrage....

:(

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operation st michael 1918

27 may

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operation st michael 1918

[Trustds07]

one of the earliest kinds of Blitzkrieg

[TheBestTroller]

Ya the more I learn about ww1. The more I learn on who the true defenders of Paris are.... The British

[916ppl]

@TheBestTroller Actually the Belgians. They were one to held off long enough for the French and British to organized strong defensive lines which some the German still broke though. Just think what would have happen if the British and French did not have time to do so. Outnumber and outgunned the Belgians still give the German Army a beating. Every German talking about how if they had more men. I counter by saying what if the Belgians had more men as well.

[916ppl]

@TheBestTroller The Belgians weren't ready for war like Germany.

[IceRich05]

Testing

[pinguinsisdabest13]

@IceRich05

What the fuck is wrong with you... Jeez

[1Historygenius]

Well someone did fuck with us before iraq and we could not win ever heard of Vietnam War

[IceRich05]

@1Historygenius

If we really wanted to we could have wiped out Vietnam, but I have always been completely against the war in Vietnam. What business was it of ours what the Vietnamese did in their own country, the Buddhist Vietnamese are on the whole a generally decent people, Buddhism being a very peaceful decent religion, even though we lost we murdered MILLIONS of Vietnamese, much of which were civilians, it is the saddest part of our history I believe. As for the Muslims,..Bombs away!

[1Historygenius]

Well the reason why we had intrest in South and North Vietnam is because North was communist which made our country concerend during this cold war times John Kennedy knew we had to fight communism somewhere he chose North Vietnam but the U.S.needed a better reason to fight the communits than that When President Johnson was elected the government claimed that North Vietnamese attacked U.S. ships and thats how we were in the war.

[IceRich05]

Communism has done wonders for China, whether we agree with Communism or not, we had no right to go into somebody else's country and slaughter Millions of there people, often it is thought that they are monkeys and apes, so it doesn't matter if we killed a million children, and we did, now let's flip the script, lets say it was Ireland that the British went into on similar claims, do you think anyone in America would accept for one second an Irish girl dead after British bombing?

[IceRich05]

@IceRich05

*their*

[1Historygenius]

It does matter with we killed a millions of civilans becuase it is not a U.S. policy to kill inocent people we were trying to represent democracy in Vietnam we should have tried to stop innocent killings just there were many toops who were not thinking straight. Now i am not saying that accidents happen when you are talking about Britan bombing ireland and that one girl that was an accident it is not like your bomb will always hit where you want it to go.

[IceRich05]

Easily said. I wonder if you would still sing the same tune if your mother, sister, family member had been cut in half. Look, what happened in Vietnam was their business, who the fuck were we to go in there and dictate to them how they run their country? It is easy for you to down play it, but we used chemical weapons, we dropped napalm bombs which burned people alive, MILLIONS of people dead by us. We are a hypocritical nation, what applies to others doesn't apply to us.

[1Historygenius]

We were not trying to dictate them we were trying to win the war and tell North Vietnam to not invade South Vietnam so we can keep democracy there were not an empire besides controlling Puerto Rico. Now what in Vietnam we had to stop Gurrelia Warfare with the Viet Cong now its not like you can avoid civilian cassaulite but the communists where making it to hard for us by putting there bases in South Vietnam villages whe should have stormed there bases instead of blow them up.

[IceRich05]

@1Historygenius

Well look you can keep on trying to justify every which way you want, at the end of the day, what happens in Vietnam was Vietnam's business. How would you like it if Mexico invaded America and told you what to do, and killed your whole family in the process and then said, ..oh well we're sorry about that, it was collateral damage, you gonna accept that? You really have to grasp a simple concept, which is that Millions of people DIED because of us. That's it.

[1Historygenius]

Why would Mexico invade the U.S. at the moment they have an unstable and corrupt government if they even tried to invade us we would previal do to the fact that if you look at both militaries you can claearly see the strongest now in Vietnam it was our buisness they attacked are ships and invaded our ally now the presidents during wars did not say go kills familys who cares about them it is not a u.s. policy to kill civilians we try to avoid it but in some wars there were barley innocent kills

[IceRich05]

Mexico was a hypothetical example, you can use the same scenario for China or Russia then if you like, someone capable of doing damage to the US. As for Vietnam attacking us, well there is heavy evidence to prove that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was a false flag operation, meaning it was staged in order to lead the country into war, the 2nd Gulf of Tonkin Incident has been reported by eye witness and other sources never to have taken place. US Army Field manuals declassified 2004 confirms this.

[1Historygenius]

and our chemical weapons were just used to destory the jungles so we get a clear view but its not like we can see civilians down in those jungles from our planes.

[IceRich05]

@1Historygenius

Yep, I wonder how you would react if the Nazis had dropped chemical weapons on our country and said well we just wanted to clear the trees so we could see American soldiers, we know full well that thousands upon thousand of people will die as a result of it, but hey there are always civilian casualties, you gonna accept that? You see your mindset and thought is the same for many Americans, it is an imperialistic mindset, we are the best, everyone else is subhuman.

[1Historygenius]

Where are you getting this garbage about Nazis bombing us. Second the Nazis never bombed us. Third the nazis IF they invaded us would not need chemical weapons to clear plants and such they can easily see cities with planes and there are no jungles here. Now i'm sure our country would tell us to get out of the cities and move to the country like in Britian during the bombardments and we are not always the best. If you red books by Generals Patton, Montgomery, Rommel, Westmoreland you would know.

[IceRich05]

lol, again it is a hypothetical, you seem to be missing the big picture, is that because in your mind the US can do nothing wrong? We dropped Chemical weapons on Vietnam knowing the consequences, this is perfectly acceptable because we are Americans, is that is? Well that is the case with most Americans. I give u a scenario, whether it could happen or not, and you immediately go about in effect ignoring it, why is that? If someone dropped Chemical Weapons on US, it would be seen as a War Crime.

[internetTOUGHGUY1000]

@IceRich05

acceptable because it was war

the vc did many of these things them selfs

[IceRich05]

You know History Genius, we killed or help kill 6 Million South East Asians during that War, that's 6,000,000 people, many many of which were Civilians,.. now, you seem strangely unmoved by that, why is that? They all Monkeys HG? Is that it? Nothing to do with us? Let the Coons die, huh, is that it HG? You may have forgotten HG, that little Vietnamese Girl running from a Napalm attack, her skin dripping off her body as it burned, but the World has not.

[1Historygenius]

i remeber that damn picture i'm not saying let them die try to avoid the civilians from dying we should have tried a much more innocent task then bombing people with napalm where we thought enemy bases where first you send recon teams there to make sure it is not an enemy base then if it is not don't i'm trying to point out that there was a problem with operation rolling thunder and that we just bombed the area when we should have made sure it had any military importance.

[IceRich05]

@1Historygenius

And by the way History Genius, they didn't fuck with us, we fucked with them. The same is true of Iraq, they didn't fuck with us, we fucked with them. Infact for many years the US supported Iraq, supplied him with all the Arms and Supplies he needed. Now I suspect that there were a few secret factors to play in our aggressive conquest in Iraq, primarily being financial, look at the Oil fields we occupied and started shipping out.

[1Historygenius]

Now not all Muslims are bad but I strongly support defeating the Taliban and other terroists if they get the nuclear weapons in Afghanistan then its the end of the world now we have set up a democracy government there and there is now an election for president in Iraq i belive there will be another dictator running that country in a decade so unless it involves terroism we should not have to go there everytime someone invades Kuwait or something lets try to avoid it.

[IceRich05]

The only real long term answer is to completely ban the Quran, then we can deal with the Arabs like anybody else.

[1Historygenius]

Is the Qur'an your meaning the central verbal text in Islam

[IceRich05]

By the Qu'ran I mean their holy book which they believe is the literal word of God, infact I would go further, and suggest the complete and total banning of the religion of Islam, and educating our people on the extreme dangers of such a twisted religion/cult.

[1Historygenius]

You can't just ban a religion unless your a wacko like hitler who tried but failed. The USA is based on freedom and we have thouysands of islams in our country who support us you are just talking about a certain group of people who started 9/11 whe should kill them not innocent Islams and muslims who have nothing to do with the war.

[IceRich05]

@1Historygenius

Go read the Quran as I have, go study Islam as I have and then tel me what Osama Bin Laden did that was Islamic.

[IceRich05]

*Un-Islamic*

[1Historygenius]

Osama Bin Laden is a MUSLIM not islamic he has nothing to do with islam except the fact that he may destory that religion we were talking about why would you ban islam not what Bin Laden has done that was islamic or un-islamic

[IceRich05]

But that is exactly the point History Genius, Osama Bin Laden if working from the Religion of Islam, what he did was in total conjunction with the religion of Islam, the Religion of Islam teaches death, destruction, subjugation, pedophilia, degradation of women, don't take my word for it, read the Quran. Osama Bin Laden was not a Muslim gone Whacko, he was a true Muslim, he worked from the Quran. He was only obeying the Religion. Islam is an extreme Religion, period. Damn political correctness.

[IceRich05]

*IS*

[1Historygenius]

Meanwhile in Israel there is war going between these two religions you sohlu probrably read an article on it when you get the chance. Now the banning of religonand banning the Qur'an would be an impossible task in Medieval times Jews were blamed because people thought they brought the black death and in WW2 Hitler failed to get rid of the religion you cna't ban a religion

[mazilin2]

@1Historygenius because to be a good follower of islam you need to convert nonbelievers and if they don't want to convert you supposed to kill em as it saiys in the quran. that's why i agree with anyone who wants islam banned from european soil. they are infiltrating our society trying to change step by step our democratic way of life into sharia. this is no conspiracy theory but a real fact. hiding behind our laws of equality and backstabbing us. that's why i say: ban islam at least from europe

[1Historygenius]

@mazilin2 We don't have to ban it from the world but Europe is o.k. however offcourse the islams probrably do not want it banned from Europe

[mazilin2]

you are talking about a world religion. pushing it back at one place won't change anything. Better ban it now then getting into nasty things like enforced deportation or worse

[1Historygenius]

@mazilin2 It is impossible to ban this religion if it is banned people of that religion will get mad and fight for islam its not as simple as you think

[methos173]

@1Historygenius people are already mad and fighting for islam, might as well make it easier to fight back :D

[1Historygenius]

@methos173

welI do not see how we can make it easier for our military troops we already have so many troops fighting muslims and second these comments me and the person I was aruging with are months old why to we need to mka eanother aregument when we can put an old argument to rest its peoplelike you who msupport arguing

[methos173]

@1Historygenius lol

to make easier the war against the muslims all we need to do is make their country even more miserable than in the past :D

[1Historygenius]

@methos173 I think will just mkae them more angry what there needs to be is a new Ottoman Empire back from at least 1600s the Ottoman empire was it its went from Turkey to Iran to Egypt to Algeria it was rich and kept order however it lasted all the way up to the early 1900s the Ottoman Empire joined Germany and Austira-Hungary in World War 1 British troops landed in North Africa and Russia troops attacked northren middleast the empire was devastated and after the war a series of revolutions

[gyrofoam1]

@1Historygenius Europe is not "O.k" - it's already been taken. The 'religion' you describe is, in actuality, not a religion at all but a Political Ideology with all the fanaticism of a medieval religion. And like the the other two great political ideologies that have shaken up the world, Naziism (one race shall rule) and communism (one class shall rule), it combines Both - along with the Doctrine that it's duty is to Spread and engulf All of human society. Which is happening slowly but Surely.

[IIIIN3ROOIIII]

@IceRich05 i agreed with u til now, and from now on i agree with 1Historygenious. u fucking moron should stop spreading lies bout islam and what stands in the quran u sucker. i guess bush, cnn and fox fucking brainwashed u. its not true what ur sayin. bin laden is the bad guy, and bush is just as bad as he is. u fuckin piece of crap!

[methos173]

@IceRich05 shortly before we invaded iraq, iraq started selling oil in euros. :D

U.S was the aggressor in this situation

[gopconservative78]

The French sissies ran like little girls....while the Americans stopped the Germans....French nothing but a bunch of pussies when it comes to the fight

[JosifVStalin]

@gopconservative78 idiot the french army faced the bulk of the german army from 1914 to 1918...

americans came in 1918 and they were inexpirienced and hold quite frontlines while the british and french did the main job

[pinguinsisdabest13]

@gopconservative78

Have you ever read ant histry books? Ever heard of Verdun?

[tobicon]

The Germans were clever; since they didn`t have the manpowere for an overall offensive, they actually adopted the tactics used against them by the Canadians at the overwhelmingly successful Vimy Ridge. In particular, the power punch approach, with platoon style tactics of crack troops, gave them success as it originally did for the Canadians at Vimy Ridge (one of the more successful victories for the allies in general).

[muzlinkage]

@tobicon The Canadians and the Australians struck the decisive blow at Amiens in March 1918. The germans didn't stop retreating after that.

[tobicon]

I concur...I like this documentary series, but it doesn't really stress the point you made - that the Aussies and Canadians were decisively placed as the stormtroops or crack troops for the final allied drive (Amiens as you mentioned)

Indeed, if memory serves, these "colonials" troops were always monitored by German intelligence since their palcement would be a suggestion of an imiment offensive...

[muzlinkage]

Curry and Monash were junior generals but their record of victories spoke for them and the allied high command were compelled to take their 'advice'. It was a toss up between the two who should become British commander in chief in the event of the war continuing into 1919, thats how highly they were rated. Monash would have pipped Curry at the post because of Le Hamel and his revolutionary doctrine of combined arms. Le Hamel was the

blueprint for Amiens. Both men 'fed their troops on victories'.

[muzlinkage]

Monash and Curry were different in that Curry treated his juniors with respect and had balls of steel. Monash was a meticulous planner and 'composed' his battles like music and saw to it that everyone down to the lowliest private knew exactly what was going down and what was required of them.

What they did have in common was an enormous respect for one anthother. They each considered the other the only commander that was worth their salt.

I'd like to read a biography of Curry

[kbond225]

Will they ever release this series on DVD? I've been patiently waiting and wondering if there happens to be anything any of us could do to get it released. Anybody with any suggestions would be appreciated.

[OlderG0ds]

I'm sure they will put it on DVD eventually, just not sure when.

If you are willing and able you could download it and burn onto a dvd. Or do you have the military channel? They show it on there a lot

[NielsEbbesen]

A small and relatively unknown chapter of WW1 is that approximately 26.000 Danish men were forced to fight for the Germans. They lived in German-occupied Schleswig.

Since Denmark lost the war of 1864, a lot of ethnic Danes were under the prussian yoke in the state of Schleswig-Holstein. When WW1 broke out, they were forced to do military service in the German army and thousands of them were killed.

They would rather have fought against the Germans but they had no choice... very sad :(

[Kettenhund1000]

better think about freikorps danmark, which fight together in ww2 with germanic comrades against the capitalism and bolshewism. nordic people must fight together, not against.

[tbsaint123]

@NielsEbbesen I love denmark :)

[DaBlaght]

If America had not joined the spring offensive would not have happened and Germany would have mitigated more men from the eastern front ( they still had 100's of thousands of high morale soldiers there) and maybe would have fought indefinently or would have used all of those men to attempt the same type of offensive without over a million americans, who brought food, resources and good spirits- to stop them, meaning there could be a totally different outcome of the war if the us had not joined

[paratrooper6]

Germany was already on the brink of collapse and could not of won the war. Their offensive ran out of steam before the Americans got there.

The war may of dragged on a bit longer, but the Germans could not of won.

[KyleLexington]

America saved allied nations by giving them the strength, weapons and moral to fight. The U.S is a very good nation which has powerful weapons and was always helping the allies.

[fludblud]

as is usually the case, the germans have brilliant plans and innovative ideas, just not the resources to use them.

[rangergxi]

@fludblud The russians seem to be the oposite.

[Schwarzinjager]

@fludblud That's because they always have useless allies, unfortunately... -.-

[aseglkj]

@fludblud that's because the Germans were megalomaniacs. They ignored the reality of the situation and thought they could conquer the whole world. They didn't even bother trying to gain allies.

Ironically, a Jew, Fritz Haber, was responsible for even getting the Germans to last as long as they did in WWI. Without the Haber-Bosch process, they would've run out of gunpowder, explosives and fertilizer after a year.

[Guyisaritelegend]

America made fuck all diference

[chargerdan]

Oh please, Pershing was inept, the Canadian Corps did more to end this war than the "Doughboys".

[tobicon]

You're right on with this...all national propaganda aside, you state historical fact; one need only examine the evidence.

The doughboys, aptly called the "rainbow" division arrived after the storm!

[muzlinkage]

Good troops, poorly lead. Same in New Guinea in 1942. (Eckleburger was an able general nonetheless, it was the NCOs that fucked it up in both cases)

Some doughboy battallions from - i think - the 53rd were sent into the line for training with the Aussies and Monash pulled strings to keep them under his command for an action that 'must proceed'. With AIF liason officers and Aussie experience, these doughboys were able and diciplined. It was the first action for the US under an Aus general

[muzlinkage]

and Pershing was furious.

One hears a lot of comparisons of fighting qualities of various national armies but i think the middle order officers of dominion troops, espescially those promoted from the ranks- made their actions difficult for the germans to answer. Chillpilly spur, Vimy Ridge, Peronne and St Quentin were actions that astonished everyone, especially the germans.

[WHwarsInc]

Very true, us Canadians played a very important role in WW1 (and 2).

[armymon66]

i only heard of the canoocks at caanen wwII

[WHwarsInc]

Really? In WW2, Canada fought in North Africa, Dieppe, D-Day, Holland, Berlin. As well as the Pacific in Burma, and Hong Kong. Not to mention all the pilots and naval crew around the world.

[prontoshadylane]

not berlin

[gamesbok]

Look up Dieppe, not to mention D-Day.

[IIIIN3ROOIIII]

@WHwarsInc funny. never heard of canada taking part in the world wars.

[JSLegoMaster]

In ww2, not really you made out a 8th of the allied forces in normandy but in the Caen area you didnt make much progress.

[paratrooper6]

also remember the ANZACs.

[gopconservative78]

The French still lost...the Americans won this war

[Jordan22473]

your a cunt

[captross07]

He may be a cunt, but the fact of the matter is that had Amerca not entered the war when it did, France and Britain would have eventually fallen. Either that, or the war would've continued indefinitely.

[tobicon]

If you were talking about world war II, I'd have to agree with you; the momentous effort from the U.S. in terms of men and materials is indisputable. That said, WWI effort was different. The U.S. were isolationist, when they finally did join, they made all the same mistakes that the allies had already learned from, and had to use British?French weaponary. Comapre: tthe Canadians with similar size force, and objectives, took far fewer casualities and more objectives than the doughboys in 1918,

[tobicon]

Moreover, the 1918 German offensive had virtually expired the entire German war effort; she simply had nothing left to give, but old men and young boys to fight. Morale was at an old time low. Add to this, battle hardened Canadians spearheading The Battle of Amiens, and other counter attacks, the Krauts had had it. For the U.S. to have made a significant practicle difference, beyond boosting allied moral, they would have had to have gotten in the shit alot earlier, and alot more significantly

[someone060288]

The US entering WWI tipped the balance in favor of the allies. Both sides were spent economically militarily morally. The Central Powers didnt have another power to fall back on once their military and economy was spent while the allies could count on fresh US men and supplies to reinforce them. Yes as it turns out the US didnt have to do much militarily but thats because once US troops began arriving in strength early in 18' the Central Powers knew they didnt have the means to combat them.

[Woodstockbasses]

The US was involved in ww1 all the way through we just fought for the brits and the french but after the zimmerman note and the u-boats, thats when we totally joined the allies. and no we had our own weaponry like the Springfield M1903 (made famous by the US Marines on June 1-26 1918) and the M1917 Browning machine gun which was used by the brits and french and also the "potato digger"

[pegwinnipeg]

what fantasy world are you living in ?? the u.s didnt join the war until 1917 ... are you retarded ??

[Woodstockbasses]

are you fucking retarted. We didnt fight under an american flag until 1917 but we did have people volunteer to fight with the brits and the french.

[pegwinnipeg]

just because a hand full of americans volunteered in the canadian and british army's .. not the french .. does not mean america was involved .. and to further my point the # of volunteers add up to maybe a couple thousand .. so stop with your little fantasy .. however the fact that america joined in 1917 and the spanish influenza helped win the war .. new healthy solders from america and the flu put us over the top ... america didnt join till 1917 ... retard

[Woodstockbasses]

actually we did fight for the french. we flew planes for them and were some of the best pilots. and we also gave the allies tons of supplies so we were involved the whole time. and the spanish flu wasnt till 1918 and it killed more americans than anyone else Dumbass go study some fucking history

[pegwinnipeg]

i stand by what i said .. america joining the war in 1917 .. and the spanish flu won the war ... how many americans fought for france ?? 5 teach me some history

[muzlinkage]

for fuck sake man, read a book

[monrulder]

Its very funny to hear how english speaking peaple pronounce german words

[jomahubo]

Its very funny to hear german speaking people pronounce ANY words

[gf7215]

IM DOIING GCSE HISOTPRY ON THIS