WikiLeaks raw US Apache footage (graphic content warning)

[frankxxx69]

Now what if this was a Russian hind or Chinese attack helicopter firing on some American insurgents? Now that would be se funny shit

[patillo56]

Good shooting guys !

God Bless America

[megatampert]

I didn't know you could film with an rpg, never too old to learn i guess.

[willydawg99]

Just because they have cameras don't excuse them.from being killed off with the other guys holding ak47s which you can clearly see....good shit here

[angiolovullo]

what day, what year all this happened, please?

[0bs3n3]

They clearly looked suss as fuck. Especially the guy peeking around the corner.

[Minecraftbaum]

keep shooting battabattabattabatta keep shooting

[uporabn1k]

It saddens me to say but if someone decides to invade USA all they have to do is supply weapons and transportation and people will stand in line to sign up... and because of monstrosities like this the line will be very very long.

[AxCYeR]

i wish they would have taken their cameras into their hands and take a couple of shots so that these fucking cunts could have seen that there were no AKs and RPGs :(((

[NMPros]

@AxCYeR

Well you sound just like them. If you have anything bad to say about the soldiers who protect your ass, then you are just as bad as you make them out to be. Does that make sense? It does to me. If you don't like the US then don't live here. Nuff said.

[AxCYeR]

@NMPros I don't even live in the US, I'm from Europe, the only thing I like about the United States are the beautiful landscapes and some technical things. I don't like the people and the government is a fucked up bunch of "warholics". I would never want to live in the US. The USA had their best of times ... Good night.

[NMPros]

@AxCYeR

Well, Merry Christmas, BUT you can't express a real opinion unless you have experienced USA for yourself. We have one of the lowest crime rates compared to MOST European countries. The people here are the best, sorry, and USA is only getting stronger each and every day. Check the stats on this. Plus most European countries are filled with perverted alcoholics, who idolize artists. Why? We will never know.

[addiboo1234]

Dyammm

[1995bbennett]

The shit that clearly says "camera" might not be a weapon but there are like 3 other guys that aren't pointed out that definately have assault rifles. Plus, why was the guy with the "camera" hiding behind a building aiming his "camera" at the helicopter? If I were these guys I would have done the same,thing. I'd rather see a neighborhood of innocent iraqis killed than one american soldier killed. Shit half of them are probably insurgents anyway

[NMPros]

@1995bbennett

I don't know about "innocent" Iraqis. But insurgents for sure, and some of these clearly were. And the guy with the camera could have been one most definitely. If it was an RPG tube, then he's an insurgent. Great. But if it's a camera, then he is an insurgent recon right? I think so. Journalists don't hang out with AR carrying thugs..

[Gritzaable]

@1995bbennett they were journalist it was later found they were all journalist, maybe read the description and actually know what wiki leaks is for. 

[bashpk3rs]

yeah buddy

[jparsonsable]

Mess with the BULL you get the horns!!

[izzydjinn76]

@alanlad1

Sorry, a mile is 5280 feet.

[izzydjinn76]

@alanlad1

The apache I think has stealth like propelars, I think thats why its so quite. And those 30mm shell travel at a velocity of 1600 ft/sec. Count from when they start shooting, give or take a sec. due because of delay. It sounds like from the initial shot to the point it make contact, its between 3 and 4 sec. Thats a mile or shy from it and factor in that is dark.

[alanlad1]

can some1 tell me if the apache is so quite these people cant hear it or is it so far away it cant be seen by them

[yousuck17ick]

Thats enough kills for a Predator Missile & Harrier & Pave-low....YEAH...

[chengda85]

fucking Americans, go to hell

[HokutenKnigth]

They see some one holding an umbrella or broom and say... Hey that guy is holding a weapon of mass destruction let me kill him.

I would like to see them fighting a real military instead of some guys in camels and see what they are good for.

[ravballer]

" i hit him on accident'. wtf???

[08infidel]

I love apaches and A 10s

[juggalo309]

this is a war that is way over due to be over. if we were not there they wouldnt try to kill us. cant blame the soldiers for this but we can blame the presidents who dont end this nonsense. who will our government build up and then kill next. word to the wise...if the us government wants to be your friend and give you weapons, you better get worried. RON PAUL 2012! this is our only hope to save our country before everybody in the world hates us (as if they dont already).

[1cassi]

@brutallyhonest3000

In a war there is no good guys or bad guys, just guys trying to survive. PS. How would you feel if a taliban would bring a metal rain of 30 cal from the skies while taking a picture for your facebook in your back garden? Kinda shitty day that would be eh?

[BassBitz]

Don't be hating the military for this, I like what brutallyhonest3000 said about this, yes this was wrong, but they see a guy poking his head around the corner with what looks like a rocket launcher at the helicopter that looks bad. They were only doing what they were supposed to be doing its just a shame they made a mistake thinking they were weapons instead of cameras...I'm guessing all you who are hating have never made a mistake before huh?

[ShotgunMustard]

This makes me kinda sad and angry..

[Dooddog93]

at 3:24 they wanted pictures to verify the bodies like they usually do, artillery guys and airmen don't go to the scene because it would be a waste of time to go themselves so they send ground troops when the coast is clear.

[knowthingman]

hi tech murder, brought to you by hi tech criminals, conducted by old school evil.

[TheYellowPixel]

I wouldn't know what the hell they were carrying if I was in the apache, but I don't get why we would just open fire on random people who weren't causing any threat. Sure, if we had a target that would be understandable but finding a group of unknown people and "thinking" they had guns so we can open fire on them is just wrong. Please don't leave a hate comment, I'm not on any side here.

[JORDHOLMEN]

this is horrible but then again you should also look at the good parts.

[toooot95]

@LOYEPWV whatever if he had or not. IN iraq ,each person needs to have a gun with him to protect himself and that guy was trying to protect those guys which are working for their TV Channel stuff ,,,so be a person from iraq firest and then have a comment here.THANK YOU

[toooot95]

THIS IS THE USA FREEDOM...FUCK USA GOVERNMENT .ALL THE WORLD HATES YOU GUYS

[LOYEPWV]

I probably would've fired as well. That guy peaking around the corner looked like he could've had a weapon. And one guy did have a gun from what I seen. When you think someone is about to fire at you, you have to make a choice. War is hell.

[workwillfreeyou]

WikiLeaks isn't the threat to functional society. The U.S. government, corporate, banking and military elite is. The " Mainstream " press is a disgrace.

[quietlywatching1946]

ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-­deadbastards-ha-ha-ha-the price of virgins just went up ha-ha-ha I must return to my quiet mode now with my vet brothers.

[abgarciax1]

@quietlywatching1946 Let me guess, you were a baby killer in Vietnam . . .

[quietlywatching1946]

I say once more, nice work marine. please move to ground zero next.

[abgarciax1]

@quietlywatching1946 Nice work ? Murdering unarmed civilians ? The helicopter crews should have faced court martial for falsely reporting armed insurgents and firing on them.

Let's just hope they have cameras rolling when the gunships are flying over US cities . . .

[LOYEPWV]

@abgarciax1

That guy at the top at 0:54 looks like he has a gun.

Combine that with the guy peaking around the corner. It looked as if he was using the corner as cover. To be honest, I can understand why they fired. If they made a mistake, that's a part of war. If anything the war should end. People who make mistakes aren't the problem, the war itself is the problem.

[abgarciax1]

@LOYEPWV As I said before to "quietlywatching", the war itself was illegal. The Bush Admin lied to the US Congress and the United Nations about Iraq to justify invasion. Then the US Military imposes martial law on the civilians.

Now any Iraqi in the streets is assumed hostile and any assembled group assumed active insurgents.

The Apache gunship crew had heard reports of insurgents engaging US troops and assumed they had spotted the right group. The crew then murdered them from afar.

[1mealperday]

camera is a weapon. In the usa if the cops beat your ass and you get it on film..you have broken the law! All our freedom been outsourced with the jobs.

[bweazel]

Ummm, who exactly is the advertisement for at the first of the vid? Who's getting that money? The military? The widows?

[Fightforfreedom99]

@bweazel youtube/google

[quietlywatching1946]

grrrrrrrrreat job boys, go usa!

[Fightforfreedom99]

@quietlywatching1946 Idiots like you(who blindly follow patriotic rhetoric) are part of the reason why the world hates the ussa.

[abgarciax1]

This is what happens when a "police state" takes over a country. Paranoid military troops will shoot anything that moves, even unarmed civilians . . .

[ddarkshark]

@abgarciax1--- how did you get the 'unarmed' conclusion? look again see the weapons. are you blind? the troops didn't appear to be paranoid, that is your projection. police state is what saddam hussein provided! remember the evil of his regime?

you choose to turn the truth upside down, but carefully forgeting parts of the facts

and emphasize the others, thats called liberal propaganda. your empty words need to be challenged. now i'll wait and see if you demonize me or use logic.

[bweazel]

They are unarmed. This is not something new or up to debate. They were all unarmed, they have all been identified, and they were all reporters or locals. You're seeing tripods and cameras. Hell, you can even see the cameras bouncing around when they're all being murdered. I sure don't remember the evil of his regime, I wasn't there and neither were you, but I promise you, whatever their country was like under Saddam, it is nothing like the hell we've created for them now.

Get real.

[ddarkshark]

@bweazel-- your argument is fatally flawed. you claim that i can't know about the hell of saddam hussein's regime because i wasn't there. WELL THEN have IF you haven't been there either you can't claim to know anything about present iraq.

you see you have just made your own point of view invalid, but applying conditions you ignore for youself. get your thinking real.

[Burnz2much]

@bweazel yah, at :57 those are the new fully automatic cameras those guys are carrying..

[bweazel]

@Burnz2much It's called a tripod, you dumb cunt. Hey, I hear the Army is looking for people of your intelligence. I hear they pay pretty well too. You wouldn't happen to be unemployed would you?

Regardless if they were weapons or not (they're not weapons), you do not open fire on a group of men standing around talking. Now, if they were flanking American troops. Or holed up in a house firing on other people, sure, light em up.

Don't try to justify cold blooded murder to me though

[Burnz2much]

@bweazel Your blind as fuck, at exactly 00:56 you can see its a weapon.. do you get payed by the post or do you sound like a retard for free?

[bweazel]

@Burnz2much I see a tripod. I could ask you the same. You still on (or mentally on) the Corp's payroll? It's not a weapon, clearly. These guys are journalists. What are you trying to say, man? Their journalists walk around with armed groups of terrorists that are considered to be a threat to people? How brainwashed are you?

I'll say again, since you can't seem to read, regardless if they were weapons or not (they're not weapons), you do not open fire on a group of men standing around talking.

[Burnz2much]

@bweazel and ahh yes, Oklahoma lol that explains why you sound like that, i was stationed on an army base there for a little while as I did artillery training for the Corp., and people think Kentucky is inbred.. lol

[bweazel]

@Burnz2much Fort Sill, eh? Well good on ya, bro. Good artillery school from what I hear.

[bweazel]

@Burnz2much He says six men with AK-47s. I see only one man carrying an object that could be mistaken as an AK-47. Where is he getting the other five from (and does that require the killing of 8 people total?)? Also, 3:24, you've been in the military, you'd know. Is it customary for you all to go take pictures of your kills after a fight? And if so, to what end?

[Dooddog93]

@bweazel you only think it looks like cameras because of the captions, any1 would do that to protect the men on the groundyou get real! plus the man at 1:25 is hiding behind the wall with and RPG looking at the helicopter and about to shoot and at 58 seconds there are guys walking with ak's so it was justified and yu should shut up

[bweazel]

@Dooddog93 Protect what men on the ground? Hahaha, you moron, this was an ambush by American forces on a group of unarmed men. That is a telefocal lens, you idiot. You can see it slinged over his shoulder at the first of the video. The guy was a journalist. Why are you trying to make it seem like a journalist was walking around with an RPG pointing it at helicopters.

It was not justified, because there was no danger, you pussy. They attacked those men without warning.

[Dooddog93]

@bweazel the group of people was trying to hide the guy with the rpg so he could shoot the heicopter down, it was their mistake for trying to hide him so i was the right descision that most people would make.

[Dooddog93]

@bweazel the group of people was trying to hide the guy with the rpg so he could shoot the heicopter down, it was their mistake for trying to hide him so i was the right descision that most people would make. also, the guys that where going to take the pictures were getting shot at by the terrorists when they were trying to get there.

[bweazel]

@Dooddog93 You have got to be kidding me. The initial report was that the apache was there backing up a group of soldiers who were under fire. Look at the group of men, they are clearly not a threat. Nor are they behaving as though they feel threatened. They're not taking cover from the helicopter they can all see and hear, they're just walking down the street. And you're trying to make it sound like some ambush. Get real.

[bweazel]

@Dooddog93 Maybe you can answer my question since the last guy avoided it. 3:24. Is it customary for you all to rush up and take pictures of your kills after you fight a battle? And if so, why? Really, the more I look at this, the more it looks like a setup for wikileaks. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that some CIA agent gave a false report that stirred up this hornets' nest. The soldiers and pilots are clearly overreacting to a group of men that are of no threat to anyone.

[Dooddog93]

@bweazel they were taking pictures of the dang terrorist with the rpg and ak's look at the top of the screen at 53 seconds, 2 men are without a doubt holding guns not cameras. now at 1:20-1:35 is a guy holding an rpg hiding behind a wall trying to shoot at the helicopter, why the heck would a journalist be hiding with a camera and pop out at the last second getting ready to fire....then they opened fire on the group that was trying to protect the guy with the rpg which makes them TERRORISTS.

[bweazel]

@Dooddog93 When did I tell you to look at 0:53. I said listen at 3:24. Is it common for you to take pictures of dead terrorists? And if so, for what purpose? No, again for the third time now, that is a telefocal lens. If you can't see those are cameras, you're a moron. He's staring at his camera, probably setting settings, then tries to get a pic in. Look at them right before they get killed, that is a camera on his back, not an RPG. Chill out on the blood lust, k?

[Dooddog93]

@bweazel i will setle ths debate right here with these three pieces of undeniable eveidince that they were terrorists and holding guns.

1) at 1:03, who the heck holds a camera like that?

2) at 1:27, that is the cone at the end of an rpg that lets the rocket blowback escape.

3) it is normal for terrorists to group up and pretend to be civilians to set up ambushes, it is what you call guerilla warfare and this time they got caught.

[bweazel]

@Dooddog93 You are in complete denial. Like I said, this isn't up to debate. They made a mistake, they killed civilians. The civilians were unarmed. Two of them worked for Reuters. Reuters filed a FOIA request to get this video two years before it was released.

Are you trying to call those reporters terrorists?

1:03, That's a tripod, dick.

1:27 For the fourth time now, that is a telefocal lens.

They got caught? Doing what? Walking down the street and taking pictures?

[Dooddog93]

@bweazel im in denial, look at you, you change the story everytime you comment. i say every time clear as daylight that there are 2 guys with the cameras, at least 2 more guys with guns after at 58 seconds, a guy with an rpg HIDING behind a corner after he picked it up off the curb at 1:19, and a firefight with ground forces right next to that location, that is all there is to it and i don't care what you think of in your next comment(s). btw official report from where?

[Dooddog93]

@bweazel if you cant see the ak's or rpg i dont know what your watching.

[6Circlepit66]

@bweazel so true man fuck the govenments all over the world i hope they all get assasinated

[Ben1238]

@bweazel Agreed. Saddam was ruthless and was a monster. Interesting how when he gassed all those kurds back in 88 the so called humanitarians turned a blind eye. And Saddam didn't tolerate terrorists. I'll give him credit for that.

[deoss69]

@bweazel how the fuck can you say anything about what it was like when he was in power as to what we are doing there now grow the fuck up he killed many thousands and then some more not to mention the killing of thousands in the iraq iran war that people some how seem to forget the thousands that died from chemical weps he used on his people and iran they kill themselves more than we kill them think about that

as for killing reporters im srry shit happs they knew what they sighned up for

[slimv29]

@bweazel So true, more people have died under the occupation than under Saddam, that is a fact! Plus by invading, you allowed extremists in.

[giannivee1]

@bweazel i guess carrying tripods and cameras into a war zone, may attract a lot of undue attention, especially if shots have been ringing out against opposing forces..not really feeling sorry for the press, they get right up to the center of the nuke, then we goo oooooh...shouldn't have fired that one....God bless..Gianni

[giannivee1]

@bweazel no saddam would have thrown them naked into a bark chipper before he took his frustration out on a good looking willing Iraqi girl.  By the way did you see the great video of him being hung, wonder if he had condoms in his pockets??? you know...like his sons?

[abgarciax1]

@ddarkshark Look again yourself. Did you see a group of camouflaged troops with assault rifles ? Or did you see a fuzzy black and white image from a helicopter gun camera showing unarmed civilians in plain clothes ?

Illegal war, illegal invasion of a sovereign nation. US lied to the United Nations about Iraq to justify invasion. Imposed martial law where all civilians were assumed hostile and everything looked like a weapon to the troops.

The US has become a police state.

[NMPros]

@abgarciax1

So move out sucka.

[jrhd00d84]

The mainstream media learned during Vietnam to not show a lot of live war footage. People don't see this stuff so nobody gets really too upset about the war. But this is bullshit.

[cgreene34]

This video was released approximately 8 months ago. The timing coincided with the Tiger Woods Scandal and was rarely reported by the Mainstream Media.

[mouthpiece200]

This is not a recent leak - I saw it months ago here on youtube. And I'm not one who thinks we oughta be in this part of the world, but I have no blame for the copter crew. I would'a done the same thing if there was an RPG aimed at me. As for the reporters - be careful of the company you keep. As for the children who died in the footage shortly after - don't bring your kids to battle. The gunner had no way of knowing there were kids in that van.

[arakhachatran]

@mouthpiece200 Sure, there is a video available, with Assange's own comments.It is a good one

[AncientLegacy]

@mouthpiece200 wtf is wrong with you? it wasn't an RPG, it was a video camera that the guy had. The entire group was unarmed.

And you'd justify it like that? wow, america is full of more idiots than I thought.

Ya know what, the same excuse was used by the nazis.

"i was only following orders"

or

"the frenchman had a weapon, i had to kill him"

"that man is running away! he must be hiding something! KILL HIM!"

Wake the hell up and think for yourself for just once in your life.

[mouthpiece200]

@AncientLegacy Wow, I've never seen more straw men in my life.

If it was a camera then it was an honest mistake. The crew had every reason to believe their lives were in danger. And while I don't support this war either, it can certainly not be compared to Nazi Germany. The militants over there are not friendly frenchman - they're the same people who danced in the streets on 9/11. Too bad you weren't around next to that reporter. Wish it had footage of you too.

[AncientLegacy]

@mouthpiece200 whatever you say, justify it however you want, but lets just turn the tables for a moment:

China has invaded the u.s. because some american did something stupid in china.

The chinese military patrols the streets, checking every person, they patrol the air above your town. Then they see you holding a pipe or a bat or a gun. So you must be a militant. - boom. - end of story right?

"we were just following orders" - Nazi concentration camp guards.

[mouthpiece200]

@AncientLegacy Why are you putting words in my mouth again? I never said this was justified - they just made an honest mistake and thought someone was about to shoot their helicopter down.  You'd shoot back too if you thought you were in danger - anybody would. If you're looking for a "dumb American" to bash, find one that supports the war.

[bweazel]

There wasn't an RPG aimed at them. It was a telephoto lens. But ya, you really can't blame the copter crew. They were responding to a report of a group of men with RPGs and guns. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the CIA or Mossad called in that bullshit on this group of men too to get just this sort of reaction from the copter crew, so they could later release it on their psyop known as wikileaks.

I still can't understand why they had children with them.

[TonyUnplugged]

Lesson learned - Journalists should not be walking around in a war zone with enemy combatants.

[tuubydude]

We are there to claim first dibs on the oil and scarce minerals and opium. That is why we are creating Al Ciada in Yemen, so we have an excuse to go in and set up a base. Oil shipping can be controlled from that location. We have set up multiple supply bases in Africa so when the fight for it's resources begins we will have equipment and supplies ready for the troops. NWO wants most of us dead anyway, so they don't care. America is not drilling their own oil to keep as a reserve.

[dutchray]

what happened to the right to bear arms to protect yourself ?

[TeMpTeK1]

@dutchray

That went out the window when the guy pointed the RPG at the chopper at 1:25

[AncientLegacy]

@TeMpTeK1 except that it was a fucking camera, not an RPG.



[TeMpTeK1]

@AncientLegacy

Exactly....I was being sarcastic..

[AncientLegacy]

@TeMpTeK1 sorry, i've been going through the comments and it seems like so many are defending the pilots and defending the war, i didn't know you were being sarcastic. 

[32937isready]

The dead don't even know they are dead. This is no big deal.

[taranoreable]

@32937isready You know that how?

[jhi1947]

@32937isready WTF does that mean idiot?

[arakhachatran]

ThIs is an intentional leak. The message is "if we do not do what we want, we will "engage" you. And buy our Apachis , if you have Apachi, you can conquer the world.

[cpgone]

Guess what happened to these killers?

NOTHING. They MURDERED innocent people and nothing happened.

About 1 second after they die ,they (the killers) will get a BIG surprise.

[AncientLegacy]

So suddenly its illegal for anyone else in the world to have a gun.

This is sick, I'm ashamed of my country.

I hope wikileaks continues to release videos and files, the world needs to know about this.

I feel like we live in nazi germany, and the fuhrer doesn't want the world to know about our war crimes.

Fucking sick.

To all of you service members who are doing this, you are committing treason and war crimes. you are not following your oath to the constitution.

[cpgone]

8 months ago called. Its wants it footage back.

However this is a good example of our kill for money Military Industrial Complex.

Hopefully we will run out of money before we kill to many more innocents.

[zhizian]

Pointing a camera on enemy territory at the apache..... Bad move....

[AncientLegacy]

@zhizian invading a country illegally, killing civilians, laughing about it... Bad move

[dbztiki]

@AncientLegacy Not only that. When they are done they congratulate each other.

[MsTarantala]

Trigger-happy Yanks.  Outrageous.

[secretsquirrell13]

@MsTarantala they are the military its their job to kill, thats what war is and it is hell. You cant blame the air crew they followed protocol and did a visual assesment, there was men who were armed in an area where the enemy are known to be, he called in and asked for permission to enguage it was granted, if the reporter would have had clearance to be there they would have known and if he had a press i.d. kit vest and helmet then there would have been no mistake.

[secretsquirrell13]

@AncientLegacy now now no need for name calling, if your were a soilder on the street getting shot at then yes! there is a war going on, it started on a " pure basis" rember that "we got attacked on 911" well there is still sheeple like that in the military and also there is the "my brother in arms mentality" as well. dont get pissed because my points on this vid are valid, yes these wars are wrong but the war is very real to a troop who is seeing his friends die everyday..DONT FORGET THAT!

[AncientLegacy]

@secretsquirrell13 you're quite right, no need for name calling, however, this is not war, this is us invading 2 other sovereign countries. this is us being bullies and murderers. we shouldn't be there. there is no reason for us to be there.

What would you think if the tables were turned and china had invaded the u.s.? so you're out walking with some friends, and suddenly a chinese helicopter shows up and kills you all, because you MIGHT be militants, with cameras.

Get the point?

[perfectscotty]

@AncientLegacy Access to cheap oil is why we are there, without cheap, easy to access oil western civilisation cannot exist as we know it so that is why we are there. PM me if you have more questions otherwise please look int "peak oil". And no we shouldn't be there.

[secretsquirrell13]

@AncientLegacy Oh no doubt this is a quagmire on a grand scale, its like vietnam all over again, you cant blame the troops though, they are in a box cut off from the outside world, its a different place there so the mentality is different. Really I just wish we could bring the troops home and end it as well, too much death and blood spilt and way too much long term damage done to a generation of ppl...no matter where their from.

[AncientLegacy]

@secretsquirrell13 While i disagree about the troops, your comment is excellent and spot on.

So much damage has been done, it will take a long time for things to be right after so much loss and bloodshed.

[secretsquirrell13]

@AncientLegacy yes sir, its all up to us, we the ppl have the power to end it all at any time we wish, we just need to realize our power and have real change in the world, everybody is tired of this shit. Soon all over the world, ppl will realize this I just hope its not to late.....

[bweazel]

Bwwahaha, we the people have the power, huh? Well, I dunno, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like them the people (the Iraqis in this video) didn't have much power at all. Let me here that 'we the people' talk out of you whenever you have to fight your own military. Do you know how to fly a helicopter? Hmm? Perhaps an F-15? No? Any training in battlefield tactics? Weapons training? Hand to hand combat? Survival? 'We the people'.... Ha. I'm having to say this a lot today: Get real.

[Fightforfreedom99]

@secretsquirrell13 I agree with what your getting at, however, the idea of we the people will need to emerge after the collapse of our current empire. We the people will be needed to rebuild. As for the rest of the world; once we lose the ability to project force globally(numerous ways this could occur) the world won't have to do anything but sit and watch. We import a HUGE percentage of our food, oil, materials needed for survival, that in a collapse our wrongs will really come back to bite us.

[cicatrixta]

hey it's good you reposted this

[mskittie30]

kinda weird...from what I'm seeing it appears they are carrying firearms and acting sneaky,but we had no business being there in the first place...no wonder the world hates us.

[secretsquirrell13]

@mskittie30 yup thats what im saying two things about this vid, the men carrying the cameras didnt have any id on them like a vest or a helmet showing that they are press, and they are walking around the hood with armed dudes, if they had clearance to be there to film then the apache crew would have known that there was friendlies in the area and would have called in troops to investigate the suspicious activity instead of permission to engage.

[AncientLegacy]

@mskittie30

So you're saying it's illegal to own a gun in any other country other than america?