A Christian Response to Homosexuality Part 4

[shawso7]

9:24 Now he turns to Paul's letter to the Roman Christians yet he ingores:

Romans 1:27 "likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their LUST toward one another, males with males, working what is OBSCENE & receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error."

No. not rape for the sake of war, but lustful obscene homosexuality! ("males with males") A child can understand this simple language. But you can reject the Bible.

[shawso7]

7:46 "What I dont get is what any of that has to do with my love for my partner."

1 Corinthians 6:9 What! Do YOU not know that UNRIGHTEOUS persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, NOR MEN WHO LIE WITH MEN.

[shawso7]

NOTICE!

Leviticus 20:13 DOES NOT SAY: When a man lies down with a male the same as one lies down with a woman, both of them have done a detestable thing UNLESS THEY LOVE EACH OTHER. They should be put to death without fail UNLESS THEY ARE IN A LOVING RELATIONSHIP.

You want to be gay? Be gay. That's your constitutional right. Its just not right with God. Stop twisting scripture. Acts 20:30 From among YOU yourselves men will rise & speak twisted things to draw away disciples after themselves.

[shawso7]

4:57 "The sin of Sodom is not homosexuality & the sin of Gibeah is not heterosexuality. There sin was the same. Gross mistreatment of the stranger...the horrid use of rape as an act of war."

Rape has been used during times of war, but Jude 7 removes all doubt homosexuality was why "So too Sod′om and Go·mor′rah...had COMMITTED FORNICATION EXCESSIVELY & gone out after flesh for UNNATURAL USE, are placed before [us] as a [warning] example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire."

[SuperGolfing1]

Id restudy Knox

[BlakeGriffinChannel]

Humans are supposed to be the most intelligent beings on the planet but at the same time we are the most foolish too. Sexual relationships with the same sex is totally unnatural. You will never ever see a homosexual dog, lion, insect, frog, whatever species it is having sex with its own sex. But we humans have been so messed up in the head that some of us feel we want to be GAY. So many people say they were born that way. Wrong!!! U chose to be that way. Ur not born liking the same sex.

[Ranokian]

Sodom and Gomorah can be explained in more than one way. But what actually should matter is why Christians pick out this particular sin and highlight it so much. Why this so over the top fixation? They are happily ignoring sins when it suits them anyway.

[SuperGolfing1]

We have used the Bible as a perversion, give me a break, your lifestyle is a sick perversion, God wouldn't give you a gift and then call it sin, what kind of logic is that. You can convert you just want to stay in your sin, but you dont follow the Bible or Jesus, I will pray that you get found.

[Ranokian]

@SuperGolfing1 And that gives you the right to use your bible as tool of oppression... Yeah right.

[smurfboywv]

@SuperGolfing1 Hetero lifestyles are sickening, they rape and kill kids, they fornicate, gamble, lie, steal, lust, and do a dozen other things that make their lifestyle sick. Homosexuality is no different than heterosexuality. So when did you choose to be straight?

[SuperGolfing1]

@smurfboywv Ok lets say you were born that way which I dont believe, I believe you are born with different tempermates that with the right environment would make someone more prone to be gay. Ok anyway say you were born Gay, were we all not born into sin? Should we stay in sin? Let me as you are you a follower of Jesus Christ?

[smurfboywv]

@SuperGolfing1 Yes I am a follower of Christ. Yes all of us are born in sin. NO the bible does not condemn homosexuality, it can't, the word didn't exist until the late 1800's. We can be gay and christian. SALVATION gets you into heaven, not who you marry.

[SuperGolfing1]

@smurfboywv Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Are you out of your mind, what Bible are you reading.

[SuperGolfing1]

@smurfboywv Im sorry I dont hate you I just hate the sin and you can say you are a follower but you are not a practicing Christian or follower of Jesus. Please try to get help or remain celebrate to save your soul.

[smurfboywv]

@SuperGolfing1 LOL I want no part in christianity, its an evil satanic cult. And its not your sexuality that saves you, its SALVATION. Your opinions are just that, opinions. You can make the bible say whatever you think it does but you'll still be wrong.

[SuperGolfing1]

@smurfboywv Ok, what part in those scriptures am I making it say whatever I want to, please delineate and dont go around them. Salvation does save you of course, but you wont gain salvation practicing that Sin knowing its wrong, and down deep you probably know that but not willing to change.

[smurfboywv]

@SuperGolfing1 All 7. Romans speaks of idolatry, Timothy speaks of rape and rituals performed to please the Gods, and Corinthians speaks of sexual rituals performed to please Gods in hope they would bring good luck. You cannot show me one single verse that has gay, fag, faggot, queers, or homosexuals will go to hell. CHRISTIANS added this in the newer bibles its the word of CHRISTIANS not God. Get over it. FACT: Catholics add and remove things from the bible all the time, if it displeases them.

[SuperGolfing1]

@smurfboywv Common, you know, Ok Romans 1:26,27 women leaving their natural use burning with lust for one another, men burning for lust for one another is Idolatry, lol, ok. Timothy, sodomites? Corinth, effeminate? effeminate will enter the kingdom right? Abomination will be allowed in the kingdom right? Look I will pray for you but Im done with this convo. You will be eisegesis even to the most non ambiguous scripture to stay in sin, get right my friend.

[smurfboywv]

@SuperGolfing1 Romans, timothy, corinthians speak of worshiping things, using sex in temple, which in this case was preists and young boys, yes its about sexual rituals, there was NO concept og "gays" or "homosexuals". Personally I couldn't give a shit what you think because you'll just twist whatever you want. Go feed the poor and hungry. Oh and I want to buy a slave, where can I get one? The bible says I can have one from a neighboring nation. Also it says you can sell your daughter as a slave

[boc1953]

He said "They have perverted the bible into a tool of repression". That is not a perversion, that is what the bible is! A tool of repression. The best thing a moral person can do, is move as far away from biblical teachings as possible! It you do that, you will be a much better human being. Self delusion is not a virtue!

[MamaMario13]

As a gay atheist I find it depressing that other gays feel the need to reconcile their sexuality with their faith. Just forget about it, its all a load of crap!!! :)

Live your life and love who u want

[MamaMario13]

As a gay atheist I find it depressing that other gays feel the need to reconcile their sexuality with their faith

[HaShim383]

Just one problem...this guy has yet to use a verse from the bible that says its ok be a homosexual.

[smurfboywv]

@HaShim383 And no one has shown a verse saying "Thou shalt be straight".

[HaShim383]

@smurfboywv lol yes it does, Romans 1:26, "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:".....lol

[smurfboywv]

@HaShim383 Worshiping other Gods with sexual rituals and idolatry.

[HaShim383]

@smurfboywv what are you talking about? "...for even their women did CHANGE the NATURAL use into that which is AGAINST nature..." I don't understand your response

[smurfboywv]

@HaShim383 Changing the natural sex for sexual rituals, worshiping gods and idols instead of going by God's laws send to them by Moses. Nothing about gays there.

[HaShim383]

@smurfboywv I've just showed you where it says it is against nature for women to be with women.....men with men.....does it need to spell that out any further?

[smurfboywv]

@HaShim383 You showed me a verse speaking on sexual rituals to please the gods.

[HaShim383]

@smurfboywv what do you mean? That verse is not about pleasing gods.....

[RepresentingTruth]

@smurfboywv It is the default setting Duh. "Enter the straight gate" LOL

[rbmath]

they Always play the "emotional card" instead of actually going to the scriptures.... Jer 17:9  The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? ....

[Ranokian]

@rbmath O come on, all parties do that.

[carameloxx]

MAN ON MAN IS THE MOST DISGUSTING THING EVERRRRRRR..BURN ALL GAY MAN ALIVE..HAHAHAHAHAH..GIRL ON GIRL IS FUCKEN HOT AND BEAUTIFUL.....I WAS TAKEN TO A BEAUTIFUL GARDEN AND SEEN MANY GIRLS ON GIRLS...WHAT A WORK OF ART!

[rickgigliotti]

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or Create a video response  * Rom.1:26-27 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions ; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural , 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

[nofalltoofar]

Can't wait to see Brown rebut Knox with the fact that half of Knox's argument was sunk before he even started giving them.

Can't imagine how he felt walking up to the pulpit knowing half of his purely pathos based arguments were finished before he could give them.

[Dejavu12321]

Christian gay man??? That’s a complete dichotomy. Going to hell is not worth living in denial to appease a sinful lifestyle. Christians are called to remove all their sin including the abomination of going against Gods obvious design for women and men being together as he created us. Do not be deceived by anyone or anything including your own sinful desires. The word says work out your salvation with fear and trembling not embracing sinful desire.

[InspiredMuse74]

@Dejavu12321 You can'say someone is going to hell. It is not up to you to judge. According to christianity we are all sinners. I don't really believe we need to focus on veiwing sins or pointing out "sinners". No one is perfect and yes we need to have morals. Gay people are not devoid of morals like many conservative christians believe. Now I am not saying all conservatives are like this. I am not saying it is bad to be conservative either. I am just pointing something out.

[veeseee128]

He doesnt mention what Paul wrote about homosexulality. nor does debate Genesis, God created man and female.

[veeseee128]

The gay debator I think is wrong. hes trying to justify his lifestyle.

[YettiYogiBear]

@veeseee128 What else could he say then?

[dboydustin]

i see he isn't going to come with any facts so im just going to skip ahead to the questioning. maybe we'll get something out of that. from part 1-3 the first guy came with facts, he's just talking about how he feels. we don't want to hear how you feel but how God feels and what's right(no hate intended just truth).

[TucsonPaolo]

It was rape of these Angels that was condemned. There is no part of that story that indicates that these men had already laid with the other men of the city. What does it say of Lot who would offer his child up to rape instead of these strangers. Lot was among them and heterosexual.

[foxchool]

The Lot-story is interesting. Lot screwed his daughters himself at another occasion. It´s in the bible! Now, I just ask myself: why did "god" choose him to survive? (Oh, by the way: Lot did all sorts of other kinky things!) We don´t have to guess what this says about the attitude of the men who wrote the bible towards women. Ban the book!

[1988joshua]

28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.

[1988joshua]

Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

[stoodOnAnArk]

Eze 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

Can anyone tell me if homosexuality is mentioned in this scripture, there seems to be a quietness about this?

The city of Sodom seems to be a great argument with those accusers of God, that say he does not create gays. Revelation 3:9

[mrzmusic]

Which is , BE OPENED TO NOT KNOWING FOR SURE EVERY INTENDED MESSAGE IN THE BIBLE. YOUR NOT PERFECT. ONLY GOD IS. HAVE YOUR OWN BELIEF'S BUT LET OTHER'S HAVE THEIR OWN BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW 100 PERCENT FOR SURE YOU'R INTERPRETATION IS 100 PERCENT RIGHT! SO DONT' JUDGE! YOU'R WAY MIGHT NOT BE THE ONLY WAY! OR MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT WAY!

[Addy4473]

@mrzmusic The Bible is unbiased. It has one message, not 20. We need to understand what the author's of the books of the Bible were trying to tell us to the best of our intelligence. We can't condone 2 beliefs when the Bible has one message for us. :)

[NtheNow]

@Addy4473 ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM!

[cold6001]

I believe there is something insanely malicious at the heart of the Christian beliefs regarding homosexuality. I had my first inkling of it in 1987 when I saw a group of Christians outside a hospital having a rally against homosexuality based upon their understanding of the AIDS virus. There, screaming alongside her parents was this girl, maybe eleven or twelve years old, her pretty face twisted with hate and wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the slogan, Thank God for AIDS—God hates Fags.

[Columbianamusic]

good try dude, but your wrong! they didnt take the householders daughter! it was the visiters wife. try reading the bible before you have a debate over it. haha

[florinu123]

YHWH created Adam and Eve, not Adam and STEVE!

[demco27]

@florinu123 : how do you know that?

[stoodOnAnArk]

@florinu123 Eve was a genetically modified man, made from the rib of Adam!

[sexybisquit]

@florinu123 Someone is lacking originality!!!! And just so you know dumbass, God DID make Adam and Steve. How else did they get here? You bible freaks are so silly!!!

[stoodOnAnArk]

Rape is a crime and not a sexual act, it is in breach of theTen Commandments. Rape is all about having power over others. The same as priest child sex, practiced quite commonly in the region of Ekron, to the god Baal Zebub.

Nothing about homosexuality.

Are you saying that prophet Ezekiel was not telling the truth?

[Addy4473]

@stoodOnAnArk Homosexual rape describes the kind of rape, but doesn't condone homosexuality. That's like saying that child prostitution is wrong, but child-adult relationships are okay.

[NtheNow]

@Addy4473 Well Said, Well Said!

[stoodOnAnArk]

@Addy4473 Do you know your comment is defamatory, the city of Sodom used anal penetration as a violence and assault against foreigners whom entered the city. They may have used similar devices like the Roman Catholic Church's "Judas chair" designed to tear the anus of innocent men if they did not confess that Jesus was the son of God.

Pedophilia is not exclusive to men, my friend. Women can also be pedophiles. Are you alluding gay = Pedophile?

[Addy4473]

@stoodOnAnArk What? Where are you getting this information? Look, it's simple. They lusted after men. It's an act of homosexuality. There are other sins they committed as well, one being in-hospitality, I'm sure. But they lusted after men, and that in itself was considered perverse. There's no denying that. Jude 7 mentions they lusted after strange flesh. It's just amazing how scripture can be twisted to fit the whims of anyone. But :) you know, it's the truth. God loves homosexuals, but

[stoodOnAnArk]

@Addy4473 The Judas chair was a torture device used to humiliate and cause anal pain in the inquisitions of Christianity, you know those days you would like us all to forget about. Confess that Jesus is the son of God, or we will burn you at the stake, skin you alive, decapitate you, Judas chair you etc. Is it not ironic that you have stained glass windows for all the Saints you murdered? Shall we go into WW2 & the devout Roman Catholic Hitler next?

[Addy4473]

@stoodOnAnArk hates their sins.

[stoodOnAnArk]

@Addy4473 you said "... it's the truth. God loves homosexuals..."

Therefore you acknowledge God makes homosexuals and to be loved. If your statement is correct then why would he not make homosexuals to act naturally homosexual? If God can love homosexuals why cannot Christians?

Is heterosexuality a sin?

You cannot have your cake and eat it. (eats slice of carrot cake)

Like a bronze wall you argument is defeated.

HallEluYah.

[Addy4473]

@stoodOnAnArk Friend, that's like saying God loves sinners, thus He created sin. God did not create sin. He hates sin. But He loves the sinner. God did not create homosexuality; the orientation in itself is a by-product of sexual sin run rampant. However, God does love the homosexual. I never stated that God made homosexuals the way they were. God didn't put sin in our lives; we chose to sin, and thus, we brought sin upon ourselves. It's not a sin to have the orientation in itself; it's how you

[stoodOnAnArk]

@Addy4473 Why do you bear false witness, on one hand you say he created homosexuals and thus the natural way of; then he doesn't, then he does. Make your mind up, my friend. You cannot speak with two tongues.

Therefore if sex with a homosexual is a sin, heterosexual sex is also a sin. You cannot have your cake and eat it! (slices another piece of carrot cake)

[Addy4473]

@stoodOnAnArk I never meant to say that He created them. If something I said implied that, then I'm sorry. I'll clarify here; He never created homosexuals. He created them as in He created males, females, etc. but He never created the sin of homosexuality. It's confusing lol but I mean He created mankind and womankind. Not homosexuality. He didn't create sin; He created the sinner, but not sin. We are sinners since we sin, but He didn't create the sin that labeled us sinners. And being a sinner

[Addy4473]

@stoodOnAnArk is not a good thing. So. :) Heterosexual sex is a sin? Then you wouldn't exist, dear friend. Heterosexual sins include adultery, lust, fornification (Spelling lol), masturbation, rape, child molestation. There are others I can't think of. But a husband and wife engaging in sexual intercourse is okay. :) Homosexual relations in general are wrong. And your second comment makes no sense, really. Woman comes from man, but women are born as women, not as men. They possess a different

[Addy4473]

@stoodOnAnArk handle it that matters. I would go as far as to say that condoning same sex relationships (as far as romance) is a sin. So. :) God bless.

[stoodOnAnArk]

@Addy4473 Since God is the seed activator, "do not call anyone on earth your Father for your Father resides in heaven", he is active in the sex act. Are you saying that men are denied access to the masculine God. Do you deny access to the Holy spirit for mankind? Woman is a genetically modified man. Men having sex with genetically modified men. Do not cast a stone at yourself my friend. Repent.

HallEluYah.

[Addy4473]

@stoodOnAnArk gender. :) God bless you.

[stoodOnAnArk]

@Addy4473 Peace be with you in Yahuah's Aramaic salvation.

HallEluYah.

[NtheNow]

@stoodOnAnArk You must not be educated on the subjuct "Rape" to say that rape is only a crime and not about sex but power. Most rapes are committed because of the sexual control and gratification. Yes, rapist rape for power. But to say rape is not a "Sexual Act" is like saying adultery, fornication, beastiality, and so on doesn't involve sex just control. The problem still remains, there is no where in the Holy Scriptures that condone any type of sin period!

[stoodOnAnArk]

@NtheNow There is no such thing as homosexual rape in the context of the discussion related to the city of Sodom. Show me the scripture that says it was a sexual act? The scripture clearly shows it was an act of violence designed to drive away strangers. Heterosexuals committed this sin. Stop telling lies about God.

Again I say.....

Are you saying that prophet Ezekiel was not telling the truth?

[NtheNow]

What you don't get Sir, is that "Anal" sex was the reason for Sodom and Gomorah being destroyed, 4 their homosexual practices. The Angels, the men of Sodom attempted to rape were desired by the men of that city. They had already laid with the other men of that city and wanted "fresh meat". When Lot offered his daughter to them, not one man of that city took her instead of the Angels. That proves that the city was a homosexual society, there was not one Heterosexual amoung them. UR MisInfrmd!

[stoodOnAnArk]

@NtheNow

Eze 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

The man is trying to explain that the rape of the men was not a sexual act , but an act of violence. This type of degradation has continued to this very day and is quite common in the prison system. It's not about sex, but power and control.

[regelemihai]

@NtheNow

With all due respect, I think the Sodom and Gomorah story is not to be considered divinely inspired. A story in which a certain sexual orientation is punished with fire and desetruction while giving ones own daughters coersively into a sexual relationship is being lauded is not a moral message at all.

[baughskeet]

@regelemihai no kiddin!

[baughskeet]

@NtheNow Not supported by any evidence that isn't conjecture. Nice try though.

[baughskeet]

@NtheNow So...are you just ignoring the 2nd half of his argument? That's a good tactic, just ignore the part of his argument that actually delivered his argument.

[LifterWill]

@NtheNow The reasons for Sodom and Gommorah being destroyed are found in Ezekiel 16:49,50. There is not one thing in that list indicating SEX of any kind. Lest you say that the word "Abomination" in verse 50 speaks of homosexuality, I encourage you to consider the Hebrew word "Toevah" .. which speaks of abomination as it refers to IDOL WORSHIP .. not "Zimmah" which would have referred to SEXUAL SIN. Your statement is TOTALLY in error. Space prevents me from further clarifying of your error.

[MamaMario13]

@LifterWill yes it was rape, the men RAPED the angels, they did not give consent

[TheStrong32]

@NtheNow "What you don't get Sir, is that "Anal" sex was the reason for Sodom and Gomorah being destroyed, 4 their homosexual practices."

The Bible doesn't say that. In places where the Bible comments on S & D it says their sin was brutality and refusal to help the poor. (BTW more straights practice anal sex than gays).

"They had already laid with the other men of that city and wanted "fresh meat". "

The Bible doesn't say that either. You're just making it up as you go along.

[giska1000]

@TheStrong32 ummm no...NtheNow said truth....actually..from destruction of that city,near dead sea as it is found archaeologically....you could travell right now and see that alot of dead bones of humans are under ashes.....and majority of them are males....indeed bible also says that they wanted ,,fresh meat,,...if you read it again you ll see...and they refused to take Lots daughters....and one more thing..what do you thing...why in our mediterranean culture and now universally anal sex...

[giska1000]

@TheStrong32 ...is called sodomy????

[TheStrong32]

@giska1000 The use of the word "sodomy" to refer to certain sexual practices (sodomy laws effected sex between straight couples too) did not begin until the Middle Ages. It is not a Biblical term.

[smurfboywv]

@NtheNow WRONG They were destroyed because they no longer upheld the laws of accepting and welcoming strangers into their town, instead of keeping them safe they raped and humiliated them.