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A question for atheists. In a world where there's no proof of God's existence or of life after death; how will you explain to your children why you brought them into the world and why they should die?
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Whats funny to me is universities still give out Doctors of Divinity and or Theology still! MIght as well give out a Doctor of Demonology or Doctor of Unreason.
Christopher Hitchens is the ULTIMATE SHOCK JOCK!!!!!! I love him. More crass than Howard Stern, more British than Noam, more convincing than Rush Limbaugh, more obnoxious than Bill O'Reilly, more captivating than any televangelist & less of a flamer than Anderson Cooper!
Everyone gets BULLIED, all of his opponents go down! Even if he gets cornered he can command his superior articulation to ALTER scientific evidence & come roaring back! In the end it doesn't matter - Long live the H-SLAP!
@ivlfounder You mean the one in Birmingham? If that's the case, I don't understand what you mean. All Lennox had to offer were lies about 20th century fascism and a vast barrage of arguments from ignorance, all of which Hitchens debunked.
@ivlfounder Yes it is tuff to carry the banner for any ideology- He has enough money; he does not have to do this for a living. I think he's trying to save our right to live as a humanist (an ethic toward human freedom). He presents a case against the whole ideology of any narrative, that present works of history (all of religious culture and thought) as scientific record. Religion is narrative-fable, an embodied fantasy, (not scientific record). But look, see how a religion has political power
Twas just revealed to me that Hitch writes & edits for VANITY FAIR! My God a FASHION magazine, really Hitch? Man that's disappointing. I'm sure it pays well but what about all the royalties from your books? I'm embarrassed to admit, but that does ruin your cred. a bit. Get well soon (& get a new job, preferably out of FASHION or away from POP mags devoid of even a crumb of intellectual thought : )
Why oh why do the adjudicators of these debates labour under the idea that anyone is remotely interested in anything they have to say other than a short introduction. Seriously, that's 10 minutes of what could have been Hitchen's honeyed tones, utterly wasted.
@doubletap333 Well said. I usually skip right past the intros. If people didn't know who Hitchens is, they wouldn't be attending the debate. The adjudicator ought to wave a checkered flag and move aside.
Why oh why do the adjudicators of these debates labour under the idea that anyone is remotely interested in anything they have to say other than a short introduction. Seriously, that's 10 minutes of what could have been Hitchen's honeyed tones, utterly wasted.
You worship people! You have imparted divine qualities to a human, when you say 'he is a Godly man'- The Higher you hold someone, the more it hurts when they fall and hit the ground.
Atheism: Over 150,000,000 dead at the hands of 52 professed atheists in the last 60 years.
Atheism: also the group that makes ridiculous claims about murdering families, while completely ignoring the fact that someone who does that is not a Christian.
@4cellar2door0 Those that murder their families are not Christian, but those that kill millions are atheists? Why the double standard? Let me give you a hand, if the murderers are not Christians, those that killed millions are not atheists. You're not the only one who can deny belonging to his group to those that put in practice his beliefs.
@ahmedeox The only standard that exists is that which we impose- So both groups will kill, and justify doing harm to another, from their own side, while condemning the killing done by the other group. If the standard were 'to do no harm' then both would be guilty- Yet the standard, that is really imposed, is only a prima faci argument against doing harm. This means it is OK, to kill another under certain circumstances, and each group thinks they have the right to kill because of circumstances-
Atheism does not perpetuate violence nor murder...
Psycopathism or Statism may have been responsible; as is religion (as shown in the Bible)...also, Atheist do not blow up buildings or train stations in the name of "no deity"...religious beliefs, however, have followers who feel it is "Gods" will that they carry out such vile acts.
I think if you were to delve into the Bible - you will see that "God" is just as evil than any of these "professed athiests"
How many millions of innocent do you thing died during the Flood?...What about the supposed "Rapture" ... that will be BILLIONS that will die; in the name of God.
1) I was using the term and concept of "God" as a fallacy; quite taking things so literal...the fact that your religious fools "believe" in a concept that is so far attached from reality makes the whole lot you nutjobs.
2) By what code of morals do you, or God, determine those that are "innocent"...the Bible specifically said that the flood killed all people (aside from Noah and his family) - Genesis 6:5
Lets not forgot ALL the ordered murders God has attributed to him in the Bible...like when Joshua murdered all those who breathed in the Canaan as the LORD advised him too...
You cannot possibly believe; as nieve as you are, that the children (or unborn) were evil and deserved death by God or as commanded by God can you?
Pathetic...better hope that you never turn gay or have any other Gods; your soul will burn in hell eternally for these severely evil doings.
You don't even know how to spell naive, you take verses entirely out of context and have LITERALLY zero understanding of them, and then you try to act educated to boot.
Hysterical.
Better hope I never turn gay?
Are you admitting people "turn" gay and are not born gay?
and lol @ better not "have any other Gods".
No shit, sherlock =\
Better not rape anyone either, my soul will surely burn! ZOMG!!
God murdered and murdered alot...God sent people to Hell for being peaceful...the Bible says so...of course, "God" is an impossibility - but just assuming he exists ... He was possibly the evilest entity ever...not sure how he got into Heaven.
Yes, you turn "gay"...humans are organisms; as such they are born to eat and reproduce...our higher conscious coupled with our senses allows for decision making and personal stimulation of our feelings (happy / sad / etc)...your upbringing and culture around you ultimately sway feelings towards the same sex ... this is by choice; dont try for a second and tell me that someone doesnt have a choice whether to place a cock in their mouth or ass...this is VOLUNTARY.
@helltrackrider Whether you're born with it is irrelevant. You're not born with much. If only the things we were born with were important (or good), then life would be terrible. Most of the things we value are artificial, in that sense. I wasn't not born with a love for literature, but that doesn't mean that my love for books is any less real, or valuable.
Lets assume that people are born "Gay"...this means that "God" (more assuming) ultimately will send people to eternal hell just for being born!...what a great dude he is!
@4cellar2door0 God does not have to kill the innocent, for as the Apostle Paul of Tarsus recites from an earlier text, "There is no one righteous, not even one...." (Rom 3:10 NIV) This verse, along with many others in the Christian Bible, helped St. Augustine, and his successors, to develop the doctrine of Original Sin.
Still no "theory of everything" is yet complete- I admit no complete knowledge of our origin exist. We have snapshots...but no proof of anything before the big bang, and we have what amounts to a mere evolutionary sketch, rather then a full account of life, after the big bang. And we certainly have no direct knowledge of supernatural intervention in the process; we do find holes in the human origin tree. These holes provide a place for argument /speculation on God -Hitch fights this-
You simply have no proof and justify a God. There is very little reason to believe when biology and physics fill in a majority of the gaps so well (and then some). It is not a sketch and is actually quite elaborately explained. Go to a decent museum sometime at least.
@BeBoBli YEs, Captian Obvious, thank you. You are keenly aware of the obvious, in that one should never argue for the existence of an old man in the sky type of a God- But that is just silly to suggest, and shows how much you don't understand about the theory of everything. Since, you think i'm talking about an old man in the sky. Silly fool-
I said no such thing about an old man in the sky. Are you out for blood? Your entire case rests on misquoting me! I merely note that it is dangerous to fill biological gaps with an unprovable explanation. Even if I said what you claim, it is moot.
@BeBoBli I have rechecked my comment and I find it is accurate! Do not infer that I present some argument for the existence of any kind of God, I do not! And get the chip off your shoulder- I am an atheist-
Furthermore, if you see 'holes' even in recent geological discoveries then I'm sorry to say you have either not been up to date on the field of study in at least the past 30 years or you refuse to see the truth and cling to a convenience. There are so few "gaps" that I can only ridicule you and your lack of foresight. Hence, Hitchen's usual response (His time is better spent not repeating his explanations).
I Luv Hitch, and some day I hope his work gets 'the' recognition- The religion of any group is a powerful political force, and Hitch has repeated this message (and warning) to the world, it is the most important part of his work and his ideology- and one that should not get lost in the arguments over detailed analytic and apology- My foresight is tremendous and huge- Nothing I have written here at this post at least, would show any lack thereof. So, STFU-
everytime I hear the logic argument - we all know that modern science revealing quantum mechanics shows that while the universe has order, it is evidently strange and to some degree mysterious. So this idea that the universe is logical in the sense of human understanding is with doubt. = God existing isn't any stranger than the universe itself
I think you need to define both "order" and "god", the later you should read yourself, when you realize that none of it can be proved you'll know why gods so called existence would be much stranger than our universes.
There will always be mysteries and things we don't know, yet I'll advice you not to accept something as true just because you don't understand it.
I Don't think you care much whether or not your beliefs are true as you are only offering excuses to believe.
@MrBasilGanglia No, the universe can not be a creation of a being that we humans invented, in all cultures and in all ages; once that is understood, it becomes impossible to believe in any supernatural being; unless ofcourse one would find it logical to say that the concept of a being like Batman is a human creation, but the universe may be a creation of Batman.
@FentenMenace True! Even Jesus said, "You are not my sheep because my word has no place in you and I know, [God knows everything, even your thoughts right now] that you have not the love of God in your heart." Ah, what reward from God in the end. There is only one side to see this--on my knees and my hands toward Heaven where Christ sitteth upon the white throne and shall resurrect ME any time...but I agree that this video has too many words instead going into theology and conversion....
@spartan2070 I watched the video myself, and it was completely bogus. It was just a bunch of twisted interpretations, poor examples, and limited definitions all put together to try to prove that God somehow exists.
As I have commented before, I was a firm atheist until LetsTalkChrist's video called "who created god"(search up on YouTube not exact) changed my mindset and I am now a firm christian. I urge any atheists here to check it out.
This is the same VenomFangX who got fired from his job at a CD shop using company resources to make Christian propaganda CDs (on the clock) and then whined that he was fired for his faith, then asked for donations so he could PREACH full time-when he earlier claimed he would never ask for donations, then did not tell his parents his source of income was donations, then filed false DMCA claims against atheist videos, then got caught at it and grovellingly apologised? /watch?v=T_MYyc-PtH4 ?
@boulehead I suggest you watch a debate between Greg Bahnsen & Gordon Stein, in which you will discover that it is ONLY Theologians who can teach Logic, atleast without contradicting themselves and their worldviews.
@ChristusVlCTOR Logic comes from Aristotle, a philosopher. The scholastics worked with it a bit. It has been developed further in the late 19th, early 20th century by Frege, Russell, Whitehead, the Vienna Circle, all of whom...philosophers. Therefore, the only ones who can teach MODERN logic are philosophers.
@ahmedeox Aristotle was a Theologian, as ALL real Philosophers are. And to say that LOGIC comes from Aristotle is a foolish statement, perhaps one codified system comes from Aristotle, but logic is a universal law, all men every where to varying degrees have employed it. But only a world veiw that acknowledges God can logically use logic, to deny God at it very core is illogical. In the beginning there was the LOGOS.
@ChristusVlCTOR You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Aristotle WAS a philosopher. Less than a quarter of his works are dedicated to God related issues. And logic does come from Aristotle. LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORD LOGIC before you talk about it. Also, when you say that ALL real philosophers are theologians....What's the evidence? What's a REAL philosopher and on what is your definition based?
@ahmedeox I did not say Aristotle was not a Philosopher, I agree he was, he was also a THEIST, and since you are asking questions that should already have been answered, you have obviously not watched the debate I directed you to. An Athiest can be a Philosopher, but he can not be consistant, he must CONSTANTLY borrow from a Theistic World Veiw in order to support his NON-Theistic Philosphies, which is self-defeating if he would simply take a moment to think about it LOGICALLY.
@ChristusVlCTOR "logic is a universal law, all men every where to varying degrees have employed it" That is FALSE. There are countless systems of logic, modal, paraconsistent, fuzzy, etc., and the standard first order logic has numerous problems, among which the ex-falso quodlibet. And you must explain why you need god. And don't give me the argument from reason,since that has been refuted already.
@ChristusVlCTOR Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I know I'm quite late to the party here, but I'd be interested to know which core tenets of Christianity are original (in the sense that they are, in no way, borrowed from other philosophies, "theistic" and otherwise).
@thalernd You are missing the target. Christianity expects other religions to hold similar ideas, because God has made Himself evidently clear to all. Other religions however err from the Way. Worship the creations of their hands, rather than the Creator. In times past God has winked at this, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent. Theism agrees their is a God, once we have that common ground, God speaks for Himself. God bless.
@ChristusVlCTOR On the contrary, the Christian says a weakness of atheism is an inability to build a moral code w/o borrowing from theology. Even if true,this wouldn't be evidence of God's existence; ergo,not a weakness of atheism. This is also hypocrisy (Christianity shares this "weakness") You say other religions' similar ideas are expected b/c God "made Himself.. clear to all," shifting focus from a point abt the derivative nature of Christianity's historical claims to point abt God's nature.
@thalernd I really can't be bothered having this argument with someone who isn't even going to be intellectually honest. You are completely straw maning the presuppositional argument which is a Theistic Argument, NOT a Christian Argument. The Argument for Christianity follows the Theistic Argument. For trying to argue Christ, to someone so blind as to reject plain truth of Theism is pointless.
@ChristusVlCTOR So because of an honest mistake I made by tying Christian arguments to Theistic arguments, you seize the opportunity to jump immediately to ad hominem (your assertion that my mistake was intentional) and declare checkmate. I'd learned a while back not to expect much more than presupposition from a presuppositionalist, so perhaps my indignation here is my second mistake. I hope you enjoy the rest of the only life you've got, whether or not you learn enough to treat it as such.
@BeBoBli How about Physically Feeling God's voice vibrate through my atoms as He spoke to my mind, and told me of things that were about to happen, only to have it come to pass immediately, and 100% accurately? Not to mention that children are born believers, and are able to see that all of creation was designed with a purpose in mind. Harden not your heart friend, Seek and you will find, that is a promise of Jesus, trust Him and He will show Himself faithful.
You can't feel atoms. You experience a serotonin/dopamine rush. It's mental masturbation. It is very easy to give someone great comfort by associating these feelings with their happiest experiences. Which in your case was when you were indoctrinated as a child. Children are very gullible to their elders. It's obvious to me why you think what you do, but there wouldn't be missionaries or atheists if people were endowed with knowledge of a god at birth. You are EXTREMELY misled.
@BeBoBli Cells then. I'm trying to use language to explain something supernatural, give me a break. You need to understand, I was skeptical, not that interested in what was going on, and had ZERO prior expectations that anything should happen. Let alone hearing/feeling the voice of God. The best I could probably explain it, is if you were to stand next to a giant speaker, the way you feel the sound pass through you. At the same time the words clearly forming in your mind, familiar & authoritive
@BeBoBli w ww . tele graph. co .uk /news /religion/3512686/Children-are-born-believers-in-God-academic-claims.html according to the experts, babies really are 'Believers'... one experiment I love, was when they played videos to 12 month old babies where a rolling ball created Order out of Chaos, and the babies were shocked, clear "That is impossible" reactions. Seems not only are they believers, but they also see the stupidity of Evolution.
I'm sorry, as a mentioned today in another post it really is hard to control the urge to ridicule. It's especially hard when someone makes claims about my beliefs. There is no order to evolution. It just is. I don't believe in any rolling balls or order and science states nothing of the sort.
WTF, you are wrong again; there is an order to evolution, and the DNA record shows it! That is how we know (aprox) when the shared primate ancestor lived. Get back to the lab...there is new evidence!
I am well aware of what you are saying in this comment right here. There are whole hierarchies explaining ancestry of many creatures. The problem is that they are not created! I don't share the opinion that order was created out of chaos and evolution shares that. Just as chaotic as ever, I'm sorry to say. And without a creator to claim it's "creation" with any evidence, out of chaos it shall remain.
So you don't believe in "intelligent design," but you do believe there is order, but because that 'order' hasn't a 'mind' behind it, driving, creating, etc, then it is chaos, but you don't believe it is the traditional "chaos theory"? However funny, it turns out that your account is total speculation, very much like intelligent design. So I reject both intelligent design and your funny version of chaos, simultaneously, (speculation, lacking both the necessary and sufficient evidence).
@BeBoBli So you don't believe in "intelligent design," but you do believe there is order, but because that 'order' hasn't a 'mind' behind it, driving, creating, etc, then it is chaos, but you don't believe it is the traditional "chaos theory"? However funny, it turns out that your account is total speculation, very much like intelligent design. So I reject both intelligent design and your funny version of chaos, simultaneously, (speculation, lacking both the necessary and sufficient evidence).
I'll omit chances are the video doesn't portray a fair representation considering all of the false propaganda as of late. Would you trust an atheist to portray your beliefs in cartoon form? I'm guessing that maybe the rolling ball is in reference to the earth's cooling. I don't expect children to understand astrophysics. I don't even ask that of you! I just ask that you stop arguing against a massive amount of demonstrable evidence and is not a simple matter of opinion.
@BeBoBli I have no beliefs in anything! No God, no science, No nothing! It is as you say CHaos! But exactly what is chaos and how does chaos function?
I think you meant this for someone else, this is not about anything, I'm talking about- However, I see that, someone you are responding to, is confusing politics with science, and natural history with cosmology- I hate it when people do that- Spent all your time sorting out arguments that don't address the point, at hand, in any straight forward way; so you can't even have a debate-
Furthermore, I can't click on your link either as it's not parsed. I use a smartphone most of the time so it's hard to copy text. Forgive me for being so skeptical, but it is not a position I easily sacrifice. I turned to ridicule because you insulted my intelligence greatly.
@ChristusVlCTOR What is it that makes evolution stupid? And so, how do you account for biological "variation," genetic drift and mutation? You sound like another Christian narcissist, to me, which is your right, btw.
@ChristusVlCTOR ...you are giving and argument that goes like this: the manifest GOD=History+Nature+Man (any order). Hegel tried and failed, to convince us that Christianity held monopoly on this account, Since it is a fact that this account comes from Hinduism, someone does not know their own sources, that someone is you!
@boulehead Those who can, do, those who can't, teach :) In other words, you may know the rules, teach the rules, but that doesn't mean that you have to apply them :)
@ahmedeox I don't really think that is the correct interpretation of Shaw's idiom. And I've had an ambivalence towards it: being both utterly inspiring and patronizing.
I've always interpreted the idiom and attributed the action "do" to the Dali's of this world and the action "teach" to an Art teacher - see the ambivalence?
@boulehead - because logic is a system of rules that only have to be consistent not objectively relevant.
For example, computer games are at their very core the purest logic, but they represent situations that cannot possibly be real. Much like theological argument - which is why some people prefer it to reality.
@lovejoypeaceforever Depends how technical you want to get. Literally, it was the Romans who nailed Christ to a couple of chunks of wood. However, the Romans had no reason to crucify Jesus (since he didn't actually break any Roman laws), so technically the Jews killed Jesus by choosing to release Barabas (sp?) rather than Jesus.
@DirectInjected It was written by Christ to Moses in early Genesis that He himself should crush the serpent's head and send Lucifer to Hell where all the other un-repentant sinners shall live in eternal pain while I and many other born again's will be in New Jerusalem with Christ the King to be like angels in Heaven. Join the winning side while there is time. We are made in God's image, and this image is Jesus Christ which was preordained to live, die and He was God in human form. It is written!
@DirectInjected It is not about world views, it is about what the Holy Spirit saith to you by Christ in me. You are welcome to speak with me on skype. Let's be apologetic without forming some strange opinion about our persons. I'm a real christian that know what the future holds with this wicked sinful world....
@lovejoypeaceforever Oh! I forgot to answer why. Jesus was completely radical for his time period. The high priests of Judaism had to silence the man who preached such things as turning the other cheek. But they couldn't just kill him, so how did they do it? They convinced Roman authorities that Jesus was a threat to the Empire. Pontius Pilate recognized Jesus' innocence and tried to exchange *Barabus for Jesus. It didn't work, Pontius Pilate washed his hands of the matter. So the Jews did it.
@DirectInjected God is always better than me and you because we want to exalt our own dogma or intelligence, "But a faithful man, who can find." Do you want to die in your own righteousness which is called idolatry or self-love without Christ's free grace by faith. The bible is true and let's worship Jesus Christ. His love is much more than our fundamental wording....
@DirectInjected I am confused why atheists can't live their lives without denouncing religion? And Christians don't do that, it's called Christian APOLOGETICS for a reason. It's more like they hate God more than not believe in Him.
@loserman243 Ah, but you see sir, I am an anti-theist, as well as an atheist. The atheist in me says, "there is no God." The anti-theist in me says, "Your beliefs in an imaginary all-powerful entity causes harm, and this is unacceptable."
Christ taught that we should lay our lives down for our friends, give to the one who asks, surpass one another in showing honor, love our neighbor as ourselves and to put away all anger, wrath, malice, jealousy and hatred. How can you say such a thing? Surely there are disturbed people that have called themselves Christians, but their behavior would find to approval in the eyes of God.
@timiusprime If Christ is god, he's a hypocrite. If Christ was just a man, who cares? Many men have preached sacrifice for a greater good or for a more needing friend. Christians need to stop acting as if Jesus is all they attribute to Christianity because they don't and because they don't, Jesus isn't excused from what his "daddy" has done and allowed to be done.
In what way was Jesus a hypocrite? I assume you are referring to the way that God judged the nations in the old testament, killing many of his enemies, while Jesus taught that we should love our enemies? Is that right?
this was informative & helpful discussion;.I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
@MrMe255: so you are acknowledging if God changed his mind and told you to commit genocide, rape or murder, you would consider it your moral duty to carry it out? Good job Christianity.
Your comment about God whimsically ordering genocide assumes that the moral standards we know are independent from God. The moral standards we know aren't arbitrary commands by God, nor are they standards that are above and beyond God. They are aspects of his character. Genocide, rape, theft, etc. are wrong- not separate from God, but because of God. A human king however, must recognize standards transcendent to himself, and thus he cannot rule according to his own whim and still remain just.
@bibliognosthere Why do I get the aweful impression that before the American Revolution someone like you would be arguing in defense of the divine right of kings? Who are we to criticize the king after all? Fortunately we've outgrown such non-sense but it seems some of us still wish for serfdom. Not me I refuse to be treated as a peasant and am fortunate to be living in a time and place where I don't have to be.
This is one of the most impertinent comments on this point - and the post it refers to dealt w/ this point already. The King is a man, not the creator of the universe, so he does not retain the kind of authority or sovereignty due to a transcendent god. The ironic truth concerning your post, is that it is a Christian view of man's fallen state - and the resulting trail of abuses that flow from it's deadly combination w/ unrestrained government - that informed and drove the American Revolution.
@MrMe255 "The King is a man, not the creator of the universe, so he does not retain the kind of authority or sovereignty due to a transcendent god." I'm refering to the notion that God should not be held to the same moral standard as humans because he is well god. So he can order genocide and not be criticized like a human dictator would because his commandments have to be moral he's god after all. It doesn't matter if genocide is moral it's whatever the dear leader says. What is this garbage?
Nothing but introduction in this clip. IE there is no Hitch or Wilson speaking.
adknerr 2 months ago 10
Oooh! Another lion vs tiger debate! Go lions!
NtoxicatedForum 5 months ago
This debate is like the lion vs tiger debate. Fans & supporters of either Hitchens or Christianity are going to support their favorite. Go lions!!!
NtoxicatedForum 5 months ago
There are 12 clips, so click on the next vid. to proceed.
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
@deadeaded sex is voluntary? Tell that to women of Islamic faith. Lol
overether 5 months ago
I think the guy doing the introductions should stay out of the debate.
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A question for atheists. In a world where there's no proof of God's existence or of life after death; how will you explain to your children why you brought them into the world and why they should die?
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youneekk 6 months ago
Neither Wilson nor Hitch speak in part 1, so don't waste your time if you HATE long intros.
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shieldsff 7 months ago
these introductions were outrageously long.....
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youneekk 8 months ago
"He was named one of the top 100 public intellectuals by Foreign Policy in Britain's Prospect"
he was named 5th, thank you. i hope thats a mistake in your responsibility to wiki the man your introducing- rather than a thinly veiled insult.
zech48 8 months ago
@spruntfemalespray Simply outstanding quote mate, fantastic.
2hotty420 8 months ago
Whats funny to me is universities still give out Doctors of Divinity and or Theology still! MIght as well give out a Doctor of Demonology or Doctor of Unreason.
nontheistdavid 8 months ago
Hichens is a pompus ass but i like him.
blarson12 9 months ago
Christopher Hitchens is the ULTIMATE SHOCK JOCK!!!!!! I love him. More crass than Howard Stern, more British than Noam, more convincing than Rush Limbaugh, more obnoxious than Bill O'Reilly, more captivating than any televangelist & less of a flamer than Anderson Cooper!
Everyone gets BULLIED, all of his opponents go down! Even if he gets cornered he can command his superior articulation to ALTER scientific evidence & come roaring back! In the end it doesn't matter - Long live the H-SLAP!
Idahoprospector 9 months ago
@Idahoprospector
Then he tried taking a highly respected academic named Lennox.
Hitchens left the debate admitting he had failed.
ivlfounder 9 months ago
@ivlfounder You mean the one in Birmingham? If that's the case, I don't understand what you mean. All Lennox had to offer were lies about 20th century fascism and a vast barrage of arguments from ignorance, all of which Hitchens debunked.
lenoka 7 months ago
@lenoka
That's not what Hitchens said.
ivlfounder 7 months ago
@ivlfounder Yes it is tuff to carry the banner for any ideology- He has enough money; he does not have to do this for a living. I think he's trying to save our right to live as a humanist (an ethic toward human freedom). He presents a case against the whole ideology of any narrative, that present works of history (all of religious culture and thought) as scientific record. Religion is narrative-fable, an embodied fantasy, (not scientific record). But look, see how a religion has political power
O2streaming 7 months ago
@O2streaming
Hitchens does what feels good for hitchens.
Not what's good for others, not what's right for Hitchens it's all about him.
ivlfounder 6 months ago
Twas just revealed to me that Hitch writes & edits for VANITY FAIR! My God a FASHION magazine, really Hitch? Man that's disappointing. I'm sure it pays well but what about all the royalties from your books? I'm embarrassed to admit, but that does ruin your cred. a bit. Get well soon (& get a new job, preferably out of FASHION or away from POP mags devoid of even a crumb of intellectual thought : )
timjdong 9 months ago
@timjdong Well, until "God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything" (2007), his books did not do particularly well (nationwide, that is).
writersblock26 9 months ago
@timjdong
Yyou're judging a person on where he works? That's kind of disappointing.
cupobean 9 months ago
@timjdong
You're judging a person on where they work; that's kind of disappointing.
cupobean 9 months ago
@timjdong you should read some of his columns, even from the vanity fair.
fenix144 8 months ago
Why oh why do the adjudicators of these debates labour under the idea that anyone is remotely interested in anything they have to say other than a short introduction. Seriously, that's 10 minutes of what could have been Hitchen's honeyed tones, utterly wasted.
doubletap333 9 months ago 26
@doubletap333 Thanks. I just saved almost ten minutes by skipping this one.
YY4Me133 7 months ago 5
@doubletap333 Well said. I usually skip right past the intros. If people didn't know who Hitchens is, they wouldn't be attending the debate. The adjudicator ought to wave a checkered flag and move aside.
qinella 5 months ago
Why oh why do the adjudicators of these debates labour under the idea that anyone is remotely interested in anything they have to say other than a short introduction. Seriously, that's 10 minutes of what could have been Hitchen's honeyed tones, utterly wasted.
doubletap333 9 months ago
No Hitchens in this clip. Only intro.
adknerr 9 months ago
This man is a boring windbag.
WilliamGruff 9 months ago
I am attending Doug Wilson's college! What a wise, Godly man he is......
jet375 10 months ago
@jet375
You worship people! You have imparted divine qualities to a human, when you say 'he is a Godly man'- The Higher you hold someone, the more it hurts when they fall and hit the ground.
O2streaming 7 months ago
Atheism: Over 150,000,000 dead at the hands of 52 professed atheists in the last 60 years.
Atheism: also the group that makes ridiculous claims about murdering families, while completely ignoring the fact that someone who does that is not a Christian.
Logical fallacies all day up in here.
4cellar2door0 10 months ago
@4cellar2door0 Those that murder their families are not Christian, but those that kill millions are atheists? Why the double standard? Let me give you a hand, if the murderers are not Christians, those that killed millions are not atheists. You're not the only one who can deny belonging to his group to those that put in practice his beliefs.
ahmedeox 10 months ago
I never said that it was okay to murder an atheist.
Don't put words in my mouth you sick twisted lunatic.
4cellar2door0 10 months ago
@ahmedeox Oh, and by the way, maybe you missed the word PROFESSED atheists.
THEY said they were atheists. I didn't call them that to be mean. It's not even a derogatory term, 'atheist' denotes someones beliefs.....
4cellar2door0 10 months ago
@ahmedeox The only standard that exists is that which we impose- So both groups will kill, and justify doing harm to another, from their own side, while condemning the killing done by the other group. If the standard were 'to do no harm' then both would be guilty- Yet the standard, that is really imposed, is only a prima faci argument against doing harm. This means it is OK, to kill another under certain circumstances, and each group thinks they have the right to kill because of circumstances-
O2streaming 7 months ago
@4cellar2door0
Who?
BeBoBli 7 months ago
@BeBoBli
Atheists.
Learn to read please.
4cellar2door0 7 months ago
@4cellar2door0
Atheism does not perpetuate violence nor murder...
Psycopathism or Statism may have been responsible; as is religion (as shown in the Bible)...also, Atheist do not blow up buildings or train stations in the name of "no deity"...religious beliefs, however, have followers who feel it is "Gods" will that they carry out such vile acts.
I think if you were to delve into the Bible - you will see that "God" is just as evil than any of these "professed athiests"
helltrackrider 7 months ago
@4cellar2door0
How many millions of innocent do you thing died during the Flood?...What about the supposed "Rapture" ... that will be BILLIONS that will die; in the name of God.
helltrackrider 7 months ago
@helltrackrider None, God doesn't kill the innocent.
Before your ignorant atheist dumb ass tries to prove me wrong, please remember that it's not God's fault every time someone dies.
Only idiotic bitter atheists think that way.
OMFG that little girl got cancer, there's no God OH NOEZ.
Idiots, the whole lot of you...
4cellar2door0 7 months ago
@4cellar2door0
Hahaa...
1) I was using the term and concept of "God" as a fallacy; quite taking things so literal...the fact that your religious fools "believe" in a concept that is so far attached from reality makes the whole lot you nutjobs.
2) By what code of morals do you, or God, determine those that are "innocent"...the Bible specifically said that the flood killed all people (aside from Noah and his family) - Genesis 6:5
helltrackrider 7 months ago
@4cellar2door0
Lets not forgot ALL the ordered murders God has attributed to him in the Bible...like when Joshua murdered all those who breathed in the Canaan as the LORD advised him too...
You cannot possibly believe; as nieve as you are, that the children (or unborn) were evil and deserved death by God or as commanded by God can you?
Pathetic...better hope that you never turn gay or have any other Gods; your soul will burn in hell eternally for these severely evil doings.
helltrackrider 7 months ago
@helltrackrider
You don't even know how to spell naive, you take verses entirely out of context and have LITERALLY zero understanding of them, and then you try to act educated to boot.
Hysterical.
Better hope I never turn gay?
Are you admitting people "turn" gay and are not born gay?
and lol @ better not "have any other Gods".
No shit, sherlock =\
Better not rape anyone either, my soul will surely burn! ZOMG!!
4cellar2door0 7 months ago
@4cellar2door0
Sorry...forgot to consult Webster before typing.
God murdered and murdered alot...God sent people to Hell for being peaceful...the Bible says so...of course, "God" is an impossibility - but just assuming he exists ... He was possibly the evilest entity ever...not sure how he got into Heaven.
helltrackrider 7 months ago
@4cellar2door0
Yes, you turn "gay"...humans are organisms; as such they are born to eat and reproduce...our higher conscious coupled with our senses allows for decision making and personal stimulation of our feelings (happy / sad / etc)...your upbringing and culture around you ultimately sway feelings towards the same sex ... this is by choice; dont try for a second and tell me that someone doesnt have a choice whether to place a cock in their mouth or ass...this is VOLUNTARY.
helltrackrider 7 months ago
@helltrackrider Sex is voluntary. Falling in love is not.
deadeaded 7 months ago
@deadeaded
Passion is not something that one is born with...try again.
Passion's develop thoughout life.
There is no proof that people are "born gay"...
What is the first thing that a baby boy does when he is born?...suck on some tits. Haha
helltrackrider 7 months ago
@helltrackrider Whether you're born with it is irrelevant. You're not born with much. If only the things we were born with were important (or good), then life would be terrible. Most of the things we value are artificial, in that sense. I wasn't not born with a love for literature, but that doesn't mean that my love for books is any less real, or valuable.
deadeaded 7 months ago
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@helltrackrider it is not a choice. Scientists have actually determined that it is biological rather than voluntary.
DrDeso1 6 months ago
@4cellar2door0
Lets assume that people are born "Gay"...this means that "God" (more assuming) ultimately will send people to eternal hell just for being born!...what a great dude he is!
helltrackrider 7 months ago
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@helltrackrider
Okay, let's assume murder is not wrong.
People will go to hell for murdering people! What a great dude God is.
See how stupid you sound, fucking retard?
4cellar2door0 7 months ago
@4cellar2door0 God does not have to kill the innocent, for as the Apostle Paul of Tarsus recites from an earlier text, "There is no one righteous, not even one...." (Rom 3:10 NIV) This verse, along with many others in the Christian Bible, helped St. Augustine, and his successors, to develop the doctrine of Original Sin.
writersblock26 5 months ago
Debate starts in part 2.
reafdaw01 10 months ago
Still no "theory of everything" is yet complete- I admit no complete knowledge of our origin exist. We have snapshots...but no proof of anything before the big bang, and we have what amounts to a mere evolutionary sketch, rather then a full account of life, after the big bang. And we certainly have no direct knowledge of supernatural intervention in the process; we do find holes in the human origin tree. These holes provide a place for argument /speculation on God -Hitch fights this-
O2streaming 10 months ago
@O2streaming
You simply have no proof and justify a God. There is very little reason to believe when biology and physics fill in a majority of the gaps so well (and then some). It is not a sketch and is actually quite elaborately explained. Go to a decent museum sometime at least.
BeBoBli 7 months ago
@BeBoBli YEs, Captian Obvious, thank you. You are keenly aware of the obvious, in that one should never argue for the existence of an old man in the sky type of a God- But that is just silly to suggest, and shows how much you don't understand about the theory of everything. Since, you think i'm talking about an old man in the sky. Silly fool-
O2streaming 7 months ago
@O2streaming
I said no such thing about an old man in the sky. Are you out for blood? Your entire case rests on misquoting me! I merely note that it is dangerous to fill biological gaps with an unprovable explanation. Even if I said what you claim, it is moot.
BeBoBli 7 months ago
@BeBoBli I have rechecked my comment and I find it is accurate! Do not infer that I present some argument for the existence of any kind of God, I do not! And get the chip off your shoulder- I am an atheist-
O2streaming 7 months ago
@O2streaming
Furthermore, if you see 'holes' even in recent geological discoveries then I'm sorry to say you have either not been up to date on the field of study in at least the past 30 years or you refuse to see the truth and cling to a convenience. There are so few "gaps" that I can only ridicule you and your lack of foresight. Hence, Hitchen's usual response (His time is better spent not repeating his explanations).
BeBoBli 7 months ago
@BeBoBli
I Luv Hitch, and some day I hope his work gets 'the' recognition- The religion of any group is a powerful political force, and Hitch has repeated this message (and warning) to the world, it is the most important part of his work and his ideology- and one that should not get lost in the arguments over detailed analytic and apology- My foresight is tremendous and huge- Nothing I have written here at this post at least, would show any lack thereof. So, STFU-
O2streaming 7 months ago
@BeBoBli Yeah, that is NOT what I said you, can you fucking read?
O2streaming 7 months ago
everytime I hear the logic argument - we all know that modern science revealing quantum mechanics shows that while the universe has order, it is evidently strange and to some degree mysterious. So this idea that the universe is logical in the sense of human understanding is with doubt. = God existing isn't any stranger than the universe itself
macmarkey 11 months ago
@macmarkey
I think you need to define both "order" and "god", the later you should read yourself, when you realize that none of it can be proved you'll know why gods so called existence would be much stranger than our universes.
There will always be mysteries and things we don't know, yet I'll advice you not to accept something as true just because you don't understand it.
I Don't think you care much whether or not your beliefs are true as you are only offering excuses to believe.
FeroGotBalls 11 months ago
I think Douglas Wilson is a formidable opponent,I particularly liked his slightly "outre" exposition on "fizzing"-its stayed with me for some reason?
squid4104 11 months ago
Even before all the arguments start, the question is settled just by the understanding that the very concept of god is a human creation.
fidenful 11 months ago
@fidenful The "Concept" of God may be a human creatin, but the universe may be a creation of God...
MrBasilGanglia 11 months ago
@MrBasilGanglia No, the universe can not be a creation of a being that we humans invented, in all cultures and in all ages; once that is understood, it becomes impossible to believe in any supernatural being; unless ofcourse one would find it logical to say that the concept of a being like Batman is a human creation, but the universe may be a creation of Batman.
fidenful 11 months ago
Shame on you all when the "laymen" are arguing, debating, holding grudge on each other while Hitchen and Doug actually are good friends
77638291 11 months ago
Hitchens is so much smarter than any of these people
NixonisLord 11 months ago 2
@NixonisLord It's interesting to me that a lot of the people Hitchens faces are not aware that they look intellectually futile next to him
anitahobart 11 months ago
All human science (knowledge) is based on human
perception. Human perception is finite.
TheReboundingWorld 11 months ago
b-b-b-but if there is no God, who pops up the next Kleenex in the Kleenex box? WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MY LIFE !!
^^ that was a joke, im with prof. dawkins and christopher hitchens
FentenMenace 11 months ago
@FentenMenace True! Even Jesus said, "You are not my sheep because my word has no place in you and I know, [God knows everything, even your thoughts right now] that you have not the love of God in your heart." Ah, what reward from God in the end. There is only one side to see this--on my knees and my hands toward Heaven where Christ sitteth upon the white throne and shall resurrect ME any time...but I agree that this video has too many words instead going into theology and conversion....
lovejoypeaceforever 11 months ago
Theologians aren't interested in debating God since they start from the position God exists.
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O2streaming 7 months ago
@spartan2070 I watched the video myself, and it was completely bogus. It was just a bunch of twisted interpretations, poor examples, and limited definitions all put together to try to prove that God somehow exists.
GentlemanThunder7 11 months ago
As I have commented before, I was a firm atheist until LetsTalkChrist's video called "who created god"(search up on YouTube not exact) changed my mindset and I am now a firm christian. I urge any atheists here to check it out.
spartan2070 1 year ago
This is the same VenomFangX who got fired from his job at a CD shop using company resources to make Christian propaganda CDs (on the clock) and then whined that he was fired for his faith, then asked for donations so he could PREACH full time-when he earlier claimed he would never ask for donations, then did not tell his parents his source of income was donations, then filed false DMCA claims against atheist videos, then got caught at it and grovellingly apologised? /watch?v=T_MYyc-PtH4 ?
killer3000ad 11 months ago
@killer3000ad My statement was directed @spartan2070
killer3000ad 11 months ago
@spartan2070
Why would I check out something pointless?
OdinLowe 11 months ago
don't open with a joke like that...
ishopinamsterdam 1 year ago
How can a theologian teach logic?
boulehead 1 year ago 39
@boulehead Quite easily, If the theologian isnt religious.
Grimmjow567 1 year ago
@Grimmjow567 touché
boulehead 11 months ago
@boulehead Theology is the application of formal logic to religious dogma.
random007nadir 11 months ago
@boulehead By speaking it to people.
MoonwalkerWorshiper 11 months ago
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boulehead 11 months ago
@boulehead I suggest you watch a debate between Greg Bahnsen & Gordon Stein, in which you will discover that it is ONLY Theologians who can teach Logic, atleast without contradicting themselves and their worldviews.
ChristusVlCTOR 10 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR Logic comes from Aristotle, a philosopher. The scholastics worked with it a bit. It has been developed further in the late 19th, early 20th century by Frege, Russell, Whitehead, the Vienna Circle, all of whom...philosophers. Therefore, the only ones who can teach MODERN logic are philosophers.
ahmedeox 10 months ago
@ahmedeox Aristotle was a Theologian, as ALL real Philosophers are. And to say that LOGIC comes from Aristotle is a foolish statement, perhaps one codified system comes from Aristotle, but logic is a universal law, all men every where to varying degrees have employed it. But only a world veiw that acknowledges God can logically use logic, to deny God at it very core is illogical. In the beginning there was the LOGOS.
ChristusVlCTOR 10 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Aristotle WAS a philosopher. Less than a quarter of his works are dedicated to God related issues. And logic does come from Aristotle. LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORD LOGIC before you talk about it. Also, when you say that ALL real philosophers are theologians....What's the evidence? What's a REAL philosopher and on what is your definition based?
ahmedeox 10 months ago
@ahmedeox I did not say Aristotle was not a Philosopher, I agree he was, he was also a THEIST, and since you are asking questions that should already have been answered, you have obviously not watched the debate I directed you to. An Athiest can be a Philosopher, but he can not be consistant, he must CONSTANTLY borrow from a Theistic World Veiw in order to support his NON-Theistic Philosphies, which is self-defeating if he would simply take a moment to think about it LOGICALLY.
ChristusVlCTOR 10 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR "logic is a universal law, all men every where to varying degrees have employed it" That is FALSE. There are countless systems of logic, modal, paraconsistent, fuzzy, etc., and the standard first order logic has numerous problems, among which the ex-falso quodlibet. And you must explain why you need god. And don't give me the argument from reason,since that has been refuted already.
ahmedeox 10 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I know I'm quite late to the party here, but I'd be interested to know which core tenets of Christianity are original (in the sense that they are, in no way, borrowed from other philosophies, "theistic" and otherwise).
Virgin birth? Golden rule? Resurrection?
thalernd 8 months ago
@thalernd You are missing the target. Christianity expects other religions to hold similar ideas, because God has made Himself evidently clear to all. Other religions however err from the Way. Worship the creations of their hands, rather than the Creator. In times past God has winked at this, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent. Theism agrees their is a God, once we have that common ground, God speaks for Himself. God bless.
ChristusVlCTOR 8 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR On the contrary, the Christian says a weakness of atheism is an inability to build a moral code w/o borrowing from theology. Even if true,this wouldn't be evidence of God's existence; ergo,not a weakness of atheism. This is also hypocrisy (Christianity shares this "weakness") You say other religions' similar ideas are expected b/c God "made Himself.. clear to all," shifting focus from a point abt the derivative nature of Christianity's historical claims to point abt God's nature.
thalernd 8 months ago
@thalernd I really can't be bothered having this argument with someone who isn't even going to be intellectually honest. You are completely straw maning the presuppositional argument which is a Theistic Argument, NOT a Christian Argument. The Argument for Christianity follows the Theistic Argument. For trying to argue Christ, to someone so blind as to reject plain truth of Theism is pointless.
ChristusVlCTOR 8 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR So because of an honest mistake I made by tying Christian arguments to Theistic arguments, you seize the opportunity to jump immediately to ad hominem (your assertion that my mistake was intentional) and declare checkmate. I'd learned a while back not to expect much more than presupposition from a presuppositionalist, so perhaps my indignation here is my second mistake. I hope you enjoy the rest of the only life you've got, whether or not you learn enough to treat it as such.
thalernd 8 months ago
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thalernd 8 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR
God is evident to all? What evidence did you receive?
BeBoBli 8 months ago
@BeBoBli How about Physically Feeling God's voice vibrate through my atoms as He spoke to my mind, and told me of things that were about to happen, only to have it come to pass immediately, and 100% accurately? Not to mention that children are born believers, and are able to see that all of creation was designed with a purpose in mind. Harden not your heart friend, Seek and you will find, that is a promise of Jesus, trust Him and He will show Himself faithful.
ChristusVlCTOR 8 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR
You can't feel atoms. You experience a serotonin/dopamine rush. It's mental masturbation. It is very easy to give someone great comfort by associating these feelings with their happiest experiences. Which in your case was when you were indoctrinated as a child. Children are very gullible to their elders. It's obvious to me why you think what you do, but there wouldn't be missionaries or atheists if people were endowed with knowledge of a god at birth. You are EXTREMELY misled.
BeBoBli 8 months ago
@BeBoBli Cells then. I'm trying to use language to explain something supernatural, give me a break. You need to understand, I was skeptical, not that interested in what was going on, and had ZERO prior expectations that anything should happen. Let alone hearing/feeling the voice of God. The best I could probably explain it, is if you were to stand next to a giant speaker, the way you feel the sound pass through you. At the same time the words clearly forming in your mind, familiar & authoritive
ChristusVlCTOR 7 months ago
@BeBoBli w ww . tele graph. co .uk /news /religion/3512686/Children-are-born-believers-in-God-academic-claims.html according to the experts, babies really are 'Believers'... one experiment I love, was when they played videos to 12 month old babies where a rolling ball created Order out of Chaos, and the babies were shocked, clear "That is impossible" reactions. Seems not only are they believers, but they also see the stupidity of Evolution.
ChristusVlCTOR 7 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR
With people like you around I wouldn't believe in order either.
BeBoBli 7 months ago
@BeBoBli Cool, thanks. Anyway I pray that God will bless you and your entire family, with long life and good friends. Take care mate. I'm off.
ChristusVlCTOR 7 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR
I'm sorry, as a mentioned today in another post it really is hard to control the urge to ridicule. It's especially hard when someone makes claims about my beliefs. There is no order to evolution. It just is. I don't believe in any rolling balls or order and science states nothing of the sort.
BeBoBli 7 months ago
@BeBoBli
WTF, you are wrong again; there is an order to evolution, and the DNA record shows it! That is how we know (aprox) when the shared primate ancestor lived. Get back to the lab...there is new evidence!
O2streaming 7 months ago
@O2streaming
I am well aware of what you are saying in this comment right here. There are whole hierarchies explaining ancestry of many creatures. The problem is that they are not created! I don't share the opinion that order was created out of chaos and evolution shares that. Just as chaotic as ever, I'm sorry to say. And without a creator to claim it's "creation" with any evidence, out of chaos it shall remain.
BeBoBli 7 months ago
@BeBoBli
So you don't believe in "intelligent design," but you do believe there is order, but because that 'order' hasn't a 'mind' behind it, driving, creating, etc, then it is chaos, but you don't believe it is the traditional "chaos theory"? However funny, it turns out that your account is total speculation, very much like intelligent design. So I reject both intelligent design and your funny version of chaos, simultaneously, (speculation, lacking both the necessary and sufficient evidence).
O2streaming 7 months ago
@BeBoBli So you don't believe in "intelligent design," but you do believe there is order, but because that 'order' hasn't a 'mind' behind it, driving, creating, etc, then it is chaos, but you don't believe it is the traditional "chaos theory"? However funny, it turns out that your account is total speculation, very much like intelligent design. So I reject both intelligent design and your funny version of chaos, simultaneously, (speculation, lacking both the necessary and sufficient evidence).
O2streaming 7 months ago
@O2streaming
I'll omit chances are the video doesn't portray a fair representation considering all of the false propaganda as of late. Would you trust an atheist to portray your beliefs in cartoon form? I'm guessing that maybe the rolling ball is in reference to the earth's cooling. I don't expect children to understand astrophysics. I don't even ask that of you! I just ask that you stop arguing against a massive amount of demonstrable evidence and is not a simple matter of opinion.
BeBoBli 7 months ago
@BeBoBli I have no beliefs in anything! No God, no science, No nothing! It is as you say CHaos! But exactly what is chaos and how does chaos function?
O2streaming 7 months ago
@BeBoBli
I think you meant this for someone else, this is not about anything, I'm talking about- However, I see that, someone you are responding to, is confusing politics with science, and natural history with cosmology- I hate it when people do that- Spent all your time sorting out arguments that don't address the point, at hand, in any straight forward way; so you can't even have a debate-
O2streaming 7 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR
Furthermore, I can't click on your link either as it's not parsed. I use a smartphone most of the time so it's hard to copy text. Forgive me for being so skeptical, but it is not a position I easily sacrifice. I turned to ridicule because you insulted my intelligence greatly.
BeBoBli 7 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR
Also thanks for the prayer, but to which God do you favour? I hope it is one of luck, passion, love or wealth.
BeBoBli 7 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR What is it that makes evolution stupid? And so, how do you account for biological "variation," genetic drift and mutation? You sound like another Christian narcissist, to me, which is your right, btw.
O2streaming 7 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR ...you are giving and argument that goes like this: the manifest GOD=History+Nature+Man (any order). Hegel tried and failed, to convince us that Christianity held monopoly on this account, Since it is a fact that this account comes from Hinduism, someone does not know their own sources, that someone is you!
O2streaming 7 months ago
@boulehead Those who can, do, those who can't, teach :) In other words, you may know the rules, teach the rules, but that doesn't mean that you have to apply them :)
ahmedeox 10 months ago
@ahmedeox I don't really think that is the correct interpretation of Shaw's idiom. And I've had an ambivalence towards it: being both utterly inspiring and patronizing.
I've always interpreted the idiom and attributed the action "do" to the Dali's of this world and the action "teach" to an Art teacher - see the ambivalence?
boulehead 10 months ago
@boulehead What are you talking about?
ahmedeox 10 months ago
@ahmedeox The interpretation of Shaw's idiom.
boulehead 10 months ago
@boulehead - because logic is a system of rules that only have to be consistent not objectively relevant.
For example, computer games are at their very core the purest logic, but they represent situations that cannot possibly be real. Much like theological argument - which is why some people prefer it to reality.
ginganz13 9 months ago
@boulehead
How can faith haters teach anything?
ivlfounder 9 months ago 2
@ivlfounder Good one!
MoonwalkerWorshiper 9 months ago
@boulehead By knowing more about logic than other people and then have the ability to teach.
MoonwalkerWorshiper 9 months ago
@boulehead
Intermittently.
urgk 9 months ago
@boulehead
By saying, "ha, 'nailed it!'
yiany 9 months ago
At least the Christians do not kill us^^
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piercegardner 1 year ago
its pretty cool that hitch actually was invited by a religious institution
phildirt3 1 year ago
Christopher Hitchens is God!
tuckett21 1 year ago 2
@tuckett21 I prefer Dawkins though!
attractivue 1 year ago
Douglas Wilson is a pseudo ethical, shallow minded, biggoted two faced coward.
BabySatch1 1 year ago
Christianity: one small voice in your head away from a murdered family in the name of God.
DirectInjected 1 year ago 46
@DirectInjected Who killed Jesus, and why?
lovejoypeaceforever 11 months ago
@lovejoypeaceforever Depends how technical you want to get. Literally, it was the Romans who nailed Christ to a couple of chunks of wood. However, the Romans had no reason to crucify Jesus (since he didn't actually break any Roman laws), so technically the Jews killed Jesus by choosing to release Barabas (sp?) rather than Jesus.
DirectInjected 11 months ago
@DirectInjected It was written by Christ to Moses in early Genesis that He himself should crush the serpent's head and send Lucifer to Hell where all the other un-repentant sinners shall live in eternal pain while I and many other born again's will be in New Jerusalem with Christ the King to be like angels in Heaven. Join the winning side while there is time. We are made in God's image, and this image is Jesus Christ which was preordained to live, die and He was God in human form. It is written!
lovejoypeaceforever 11 months ago
@lovejoypeaceforever Read something that disagrees with your world view and you simply ignore it? How christian of you!
What was written by Christ?
DirectInjected 11 months ago
@DirectInjected It is not about world views, it is about what the Holy Spirit saith to you by Christ in me. You are welcome to speak with me on skype. Let's be apologetic without forming some strange opinion about our persons. I'm a real christian that know what the future holds with this wicked sinful world....
lovejoypeaceforever 11 months ago
@lovejoypeaceforever Oh! I forgot to answer why. Jesus was completely radical for his time period. The high priests of Judaism had to silence the man who preached such things as turning the other cheek. But they couldn't just kill him, so how did they do it? They convinced Roman authorities that Jesus was a threat to the Empire. Pontius Pilate recognized Jesus' innocence and tried to exchange *Barabus for Jesus. It didn't work, Pontius Pilate washed his hands of the matter. So the Jews did it.
DirectInjected 11 months ago
@DirectInjected God is always better than me and you because we want to exalt our own dogma or intelligence, "But a faithful man, who can find." Do you want to die in your own righteousness which is called idolatry or self-love without Christ's free grace by faith. The bible is true and let's worship Jesus Christ. His love is much more than our fundamental wording....
lovejoypeaceforever 11 months ago
@lovejoypeaceforever "What was written by Christ?"
Stop preaching and answer the question.
DirectInjected 11 months ago
@DirectInjected I am confused why atheists can't live their lives without denouncing religion? And Christians don't do that, it's called Christian APOLOGETICS for a reason. It's more like they hate God more than not believe in Him.
loserman243 10 months ago
@loserman243 Ah, but you see sir, I am an anti-theist, as well as an atheist. The atheist in me says, "there is no God." The anti-theist in me says, "Your beliefs in an imaginary all-powerful entity causes harm, and this is unacceptable."
DirectInjected 10 months ago
@DirectInjected how so?
loserman243 10 months ago
@DirectInjected
Christ taught that we should lay our lives down for our friends, give to the one who asks, surpass one another in showing honor, love our neighbor as ourselves and to put away all anger, wrath, malice, jealousy and hatred. How can you say such a thing? Surely there are disturbed people that have called themselves Christians, but their behavior would find to approval in the eyes of God.
timiusprime 10 months ago
@timiusprime If Christ is god, he's a hypocrite. If Christ was just a man, who cares? Many men have preached sacrifice for a greater good or for a more needing friend. Christians need to stop acting as if Jesus is all they attribute to Christianity because they don't and because they don't, Jesus isn't excused from what his "daddy" has done and allowed to be done.
clipsryan 10 months ago
@clipsryan
In what way was Jesus a hypocrite? I assume you are referring to the way that God judged the nations in the old testament, killing many of his enemies, while Jesus taught that we should love our enemies? Is that right?
timiusprime 10 months ago
@clipsryan How is Jesus a hypocrite?
Transformers217 9 months ago
@DirectInjected
..no approval in the eyes of God that is.
timiusprime 10 months ago
@DirectInjected LMAO!!! Atheism has killed 200m plus in the last 100 years alone :-)
afar1 9 months ago
@afar1 Oh? A lack of belief in God causes murder? Please crawl back under your Jebus-rock and have a nice day.
DirectInjected 9 months ago
@afar1
Atheism has killed 200 million people? When?
What planet are YOU living on?
ResiusOnline 9 months ago 25
@ResiusOnline ...Oh yeah, he thinks that's a lot of casualties, Love has killed a trillion-billion people!
O2streaming 7 months ago
@ResiusOnline I think they meant to say "Marxism."
mrzipdisk 5 months ago
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@DirectInjected
Atheism: one small voice in your head away from a murdered family because God doesn't exist so it's cool so long as you don't get caught.
ivlfounder 9 months ago
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this was informative & helpful discussion;.I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
shieldsff 8 months ago
@MrMe255: so you are acknowledging if God changed his mind and told you to commit genocide, rape or murder, you would consider it your moral duty to carry it out? Good job Christianity.
kingfelch 1 year ago
Your comment about God whimsically ordering genocide assumes that the moral standards we know are independent from God. The moral standards we know aren't arbitrary commands by God, nor are they standards that are above and beyond God. They are aspects of his character. Genocide, rape, theft, etc. are wrong- not separate from God, but because of God. A human king however, must recognize standards transcendent to himself, and thus he cannot rule according to his own whim and still remain just.
MrMe255 1 year ago
there is no god, wake up, wise up and grow up...in that order.
DNRvideos 1 year ago
@bibliognosthere Why do I get the aweful impression that before the American Revolution someone like you would be arguing in defense of the divine right of kings? Who are we to criticize the king after all? Fortunately we've outgrown such non-sense but it seems some of us still wish for serfdom. Not me I refuse to be treated as a peasant and am fortunate to be living in a time and place where I don't have to be.
SockbatReplica 1 year ago 2
This is one of the most impertinent comments on this point - and the post it refers to dealt w/ this point already. The King is a man, not the creator of the universe, so he does not retain the kind of authority or sovereignty due to a transcendent god. The ironic truth concerning your post, is that it is a Christian view of man's fallen state - and the resulting trail of abuses that flow from it's deadly combination w/ unrestrained government - that informed and drove the American Revolution.
MrMe255 1 year ago
@MrMe255 "The King is a man, not the creator of the universe, so he does not retain the kind of authority or sovereignty due to a transcendent god." I'm refering to the notion that God should not be held to the same moral standard as humans because he is well god. So he can order genocide and not be criticized like a human dictator would because his commandments have to be moral he's god after all. It doesn't matter if genocide is moral it's whatever the dear leader says. What is this garbage?
SockbatReplica 1 year ago
@bibliognosthere *Correction, less intelligent men have been broken.
thelordmemnoch 1 year ago