Joe is a shill for the 1%. NONE of the debt is because of Social Security, it's for the wars and the tax cuts to the rich. Can't you people see it's he 1% who are behind these lies? They want to protect their huge tax cuts and corporate welfare and realize that there are trillions of dollars to be had if they rob the rest of us of our miniscule Social Security paymens Joe is a shill, nothing less.
It's been well documented that this man is uneducated, unintelligent (too dumb to pass the licensing test for plumbers), unemployed, and deeply in debt. What will be supporting him at the age of 70? That's right, Social Security. We'll see just how committed he is to his ideals then.
he hates social security, except when he and his family collected it to live on, just doesn't think it should be there for anyone else.. i'm not making it up, just ask him if he ever collected what a piece of shit!!!!
@hugobossdb yes, they actually do. they did it fine before 1935, the only reason they stopped was because they think they can count on SS and medicare. we're responsible americans, we can handle our own futures. the only reason people who live paycheck to paycheck don't save 10 dollars per week is because theyt hink they can count on SS and medicare. when those systems collapse, those people will be screwed. the government is not a parent, we are not its children!
@Welsh77, you are the epitome of the uninformed follower who simply regurgitates what he's heard without verification or analysis. Dude, people are living paycheck to paycheck not because they decided to rely on SS and Medicare but because wages have been close to stagnant over the past 30 years and haven't kept up with inflation. Instead of just pulling opinions straight out of your a&&, you should look at a few statistics concerning wages and wealth distribution. People like you drag us down.
@trader1963 you're an idiot, i've worked numerous minimum wage jobs and those people are relying on social security and medicare, you're ignorant. anyone with earned income can have an IRA, don't tell me someone netting $320 per week can't save 20 bucks per week, thats more than 1k per year, put it in and IRA, deduct it from their taxes, and build a nest egg. i dont believe it, our richest citizens all have one thing in common: strong savings! your paternalistic attitude dumbs the poor down!
@Welsh77, you deserve to be spoken to in a paternalistic way because you have the common sense of a child. Dude, obviously math is not your strong suit. Do you really think that by putting away $1,000 a year, even for 50 years, at present interest rates that barely keeps up with inflation, that you could actually retire for more than a couple of years before running out of money? You desperately need to enroll in some sort of math class.
@trader1963 you clearly know NOTHING about finance. if your logic was sound, the maximum deductible contribution to an IRA would have to be WAY MORE than 5,000 per year, but it isn't. don't tell me 1k or 2k a year wouldn't do anything. hundreds of bond mutual funds provide consistent returns of 7% or more, money doubles every ten years at 7%. you really need to read up on investments before making claims that just interest rates and inflation are all that matters for saving and investing.
@trader1963 and how dumb can you be?? if people couldn't make enough to save for retirement, how would social security even work?! the govt seems to think they have enough to put away for retirement, that's why they take 12% of their wages. the employee pays both halves, one directly, and the other in the form of a depressed wage. people could be putting that money in IRAs if they could keep it themselves. the lack of saving is a recent phenomenon, only 25 years old. go on the NBER's website!
@trader1963 they also have kept up with inflation you idiot, or else the real wage would have declined, and it hasn't. it's just slightly higher than it was 30 years ago, almost no progress but definitely not a lower real wage than 1985. by the way, the only reason we HAVE inflation is because we create it! if the fed wasn't allowed to just keep printing more money, inflation wouldn't exist! chronic inflation was NONEXISTENT before 1914! you ignorant fool
What a BUM....and a puppet.. When he was anunemployed $ 9 per hour plumber's helper...who was he laying up on? His parents? His Wife? or His children? He sure wasn't pulling money out of his ass.....
ROFL all the liberals hate this video because he's saying he doesn't wanna pay for their welfare checks. they hate it bc they want something for nothing.
Choosing Joe the Plumber as a campaign theme for McCain must be the biggest mistake in American history. I bet Obama still sends "Thank you" - notes to McCain. It is amazing that McCain still let him speak after his first TV-appearances.
@oyra123 I know right? because a guy like joe the plumber who pays his taxes and is sick of government dipping their hands in his pockets doesn't represent Americans at all right? we all want something for nothing, a devaluation of the dollar because fuck the rich who pay 80% of all taxes and invested their money wisely, we shouldn't promote that at all, in fact they are all evil, not the bum fucks who sit at home and smoke weed all day and collect a gov check its all the rick's fault.
@hobsdigree2 Actually, Joe the Plumber did not pay all his taxes, and his family was also on welfare a couple of times. And during the campaign, he spoke against a system that helped him and his family through bad times - I think that is a very egoistic way of thinking. Another thing - very few get rich completely on their own. Most people gets help from time to time - and if you don´t do well, you don´t pay much taxes either, but you still benefit from the system.
@oyra123 who do they get help from? it isn't welfare, foodstamps or unemployment benefits. you're actually dead wrong, most rich people have earned what they have through investing in their education and hard work. its amazing how people think the top 1% got rich out of no effort, just pure inheritance. their wealth has grown massively over the last 50 years. where did they inherit all that new wealth from? more than half of millionares are first generational! learn the facts.
@hobsdigree2 #1 Joe doesn't pay his taxes. #2 Both Joe and his family have been on welfare many times. #3 The 'rich' do not pay 80% of all the taxes. At least not in the USA that's on planet Earth that's in the Milkyway.
I'm trying to have a life while waiting for disability to finally get approved. I have been trying to meet a woman from a dating site and I did. She is disabled, too and she invited me to a dance? LOL Well there is very little I can regularly do and if I do engage in something its not without "my chair". This woman, on disability, was literally running during raffle give aways and dancing in between??!!! I am way worse off than her and she's just livin life while I sat in my chair! Must be nice!
Actually, Joe the Welfare Queen has proven he needs the government to parent him. WTF is he talking about?? He took money from the people when he claimed he needed it!
You don't need to go to any other web site but those of the Trustees Report to get the actuarial data re: SS. Since u-tube doesn't like URLs, just GOOGLE: "social secrutiy, trustees report, summary" Educate yourself! Do NOT take the work of an idiot who is challenged to put together a single complete sentence on ANY topic.
w3w fixssnow.org lists all of the problems, and all of the possible solutions. It is no longer about the next generation. It is about us and how our parents will live in retirement. Put it off long enough, and you will get to pick which one of your inlaws comes to live with you.
@joetheeconomist SS is solvent but would had been better had not GOP regimes run up HISTORIC deficits financed upon the back of the SS. "The annual cost of Social Security benefits represented 4.8 percent of GDP in 2009 and is projected to increase gradually to 6.1 percent of GDP in 2035 ..The projected 75-year actuarial deficit for is 1.92 percent of taxable payroll, down from 2.00 percent projected in last year’s report." CRISIS???? what fucking crisis? The big banks just want YOUR money!
it really is a joke. Why should we be told where we have to invest our money that we earned, not the government. and truckdawg, if u see this the price of gas has tripled since that fool has become our president.
So in other words, you wouldn't want benefits Social Security offers that help make your life of retirement easier that you yourself have paid into all your working years, right?
@ETEKEGO4life1214 You want a joke??? I will tell you a joke! YOU give your money to BANKSTERS what the GOP calls 'privatization' and they will give YOU a worthless paper receipt and a hardy THANK YOU, you idiot! Banksters will enrich themselves short selling stocks triggering depression/recession which --'oddly' ---seem ALWAYS to occur during GOP regimes: Coolidge, Hoover, Ike, Reagan (two years, the deepest, longest since '29), Bush Sr and --of course --the blithering idiot: Bush Jr.
There are six Trustees, four of whom serve by virtue of their positions in the Federal Government: the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Labor, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the Commissioner of Social Security. The other two Trustees are public representatives appointed by the President, subject to confirmation by the Senate. The two Public Trustee positions are currently vacant.
By the way, where in this Trustees Report do you people see social security improving? After reading it, it just confirms the fact that most left-wingers, Harry Reid included, are far more willing to let social security remain unsolved and leave it for Generation X and Y to solve. What load of crock is that about? Maybe he should kick the bucket like the rest of these airhead politicians.
@eshkicker My mother my Aunt and my wife are on SSI disability .They have not got a cost of living raise in over two years .Why you might ask ?because according to the gov table with gas almost 4$ a gallon transportation of goods almost certain to go up there is no inflation .Every time they need a new earmark get it from social sec .No what we need is for these politicians to have to live as the rest of us term limits ,no lifetime salary or ins .They will fix it then
@eshkicker You can't fix what is not a problem social security. Welfare, paid government vacations, earmarks for oil companies, protecting the borders they are what needs cut. You and your right wing party are the airheads. But then again since all of the mexicans, blacks and liberals completely high jacked the democratic party we are fucked both ways.
The last I heard about social security was that we took a hit in 2010 and will probably take another this year. With only $2.5 trillion invested in bonds, how are we NOT paying more attention to it? The government has borrowed money and doesn't have any clue on how to pay it back, but then again, Roosevelt's social security plan was meant to run at a surplus because people simply did not live nearly as long as they do now. People should have the right to invest money how they wish.
@kaysandesses thanks. You are absolutely correct about right-wingers i.e, 'wingnuts'. They will call a 'lie' things that they KNOW are true and vice versa. Bertolt Brecht had their number and summed them up: "A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a CROOK!" Or --as I have said the GOP is NOT a political party; it is a CRIME SYNDICATE.
@InspiredMuse74 You bet he will. Do you suppose an IDIOT like Joe --who has not even bothered to read the SS TRUSTEES REPORT --has been smart enough to plan a retirement. Last time I checked, Joe was unemployed. He's not even a licensed plumber. In some ways I feel sorry for the poor slob. McCain USED HIM like a two dollar whore.
@lennhart people like you will bring an end to this country. you think we need a paternalistic government to force us to save, when in reality the only reason the middle class and poor have no savings is because they're counting on SS and medicare. we are responsible enough to save, we were for more than 150 years. it wasn't until the government made us dependent on the system that we stopped saving. we have trillions in IOUs to SS, it's going to fail and leave people without retirement $
Again --the source is the OFFICIAL report of the Social Security 'trustees'. You can download it and find out for yourself that Joe is just parroting propaganda. fucking lies and bullshit that he heard from other moronic GOP liars and frauds. ssa DOT gov/OACT/TR/2010/tr10 DOT pdf [SS Trustees Report]
Again --ANYONE suggesting that monies you pay into SS be 'privatized' i.e, placed with a BIG BANK is a moron! the SS Trustees Report (URL in my previous post) DISPUTES every right wing nut/GOP lie that has been told about SS. The GOP politicians and other liars attacking SS indebted to the big banks! It's a laundered payoff. Stop being a right wing idiot ; stop being naive!
@lennhart You're one of the few people that I've ever seen posting on Youtube that has also read the SS Trustee's report. Well done. I've used the trustee's report as evidence in debate with some people that I know to be well-educated but being right-wingers, don't have the guts to look at information that will shred their preconceptions.
@kaysandesses thanks. You are absolutely correct about right-wingers i.e, 'wingnuts'. They will call a 'lie' things that they KNOW are true and vice versa. Bertolt Brecht had their number and summed them up: "A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a CROOK!" Or --as I have said the GOP is NOT a political party; it is a CRIME SYNDICATE.
An IDIOT called me an 'idiot' on this forum. That response is to be expected from GOP FUCKING LIARS. I was called an idiot for citing the TRUSTEES REPORT re: SOCIAL SECURITY. The trustees report --rather --proves that JOE THE PLUMBER IS A FUCKING RETARD. Joe probably doesn't even know what the Trustees are or what the TRUSTEES REPORT is: DOT ssa.gov/OACT/TR/2010/tr10 DOT pdf I suggest that anyone calling me an 'idiot', read the REPORT and weep!
I never hated that I paid these taxes. It isn't a lot it would come out to be around $10 a paycheck for SS and $2 for medicare. That not a lot of money.
yeah but when if he becomes disabled or elderly he will sure be looking for that social security. Social Security in it's purest form is a good thing. You pay so much into a system and you get it back. Now not everyone needs social security but if they don't want to pay into then they can't get anything back. Why does everyone always want to take from the poor and elderly? The weakest in society is always looked down upon!
@InspiredMuse74 Too bad the current system of SS is convoluted and voluminous. I am the victim of the poor and elderly in that I was born in '94 and have the burden of 14 trillion in debt to pay off. I don't feel anyone has a right to tax me for a debt incurred before I had the right to vote. That is the definition of taxation without representation. I believe that people have an ability to invest for themselves without help from the government and save responsibly.
Democrats started Social Security and claimed participation in the program would be completely voluntary. Democrats then made it a non voluntary program. Democrats said participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual income into the Program. Democrats changed that to 7.65% on the first $90,000.
Democrats said that the money the participants elected to put into the program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year. Democrats made it no longer tax deductible. Democrats said the money that participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund' would not be mixed into the general operating fund. Democrats moved the social security money into the general operating fund and the money was spent.
Democrats said that the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income. Democrats changed that so that up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed. Which party was in charge and made these changes? Democrats!
Which party allowed Immigrants to move into this country, and at age 65, receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to illegal immigrants, even though they never paid a dime into it.
Social security is nothing but a big fraud. There is too much abuse and people that really need it cannot get it. I meet people on busses all the time that have nothing physically or mentally wrong in any way and brag about how many checks they are getting. You know who you are lady in Cornelius Oregon that cussed me out last week for no reason. I cannot walk due to a bad car wreck from 1992 and still cannot get is. Lady you will get caught and know you are committing fraud in the SS system!!
Simple solution to SS. Right now we are taxed at a rate o 6% (matched by employer) up to $107,000 annually. Any income over that is not taxed. Keep the rate the same, but simply tax all income, or maybe just raise it to income up to $500,000. It will generate far more revenue for SS without having to raise the tax rate.
@thewag777 BETTER SOLUTION: Tax the rich and COLLECT it! Just 1 percent own more than the rest of us combined. They may pay no taxes at all! So --howz about we TAX the rich and COLLECT the proceeds?. The rich invest their monies OFFSHORE --beyond the reach of the tax man. Some pay NO taxes whatever! If everyone were taxed fairly not only would SS be safe, the economy would rebound with monies that are now enriching OTHER COUNTRIES.
From the SS Trustees Report: SS: "the Social Security OASI and DI Trust Funds are adequately financed until 2040 and 2018, respectively, the significant longer term financial imbalances of the programs still need to be addressed. The sooner action is taken to address the long-run financial imbalances, the more reform options will be available, and the more time there will be to phase in changes so that those affected will have adequate time to prepare." I hardly call that a CRISIS!
Anyone who is NOT a Wall St insider depending up Wall st insiders for your retirement is a fool. Your chances of retiring comfortably without SS as a part of a diversified portfolio is about as good as your chances of breaking the bank in Vegas or Monte Carlo. Even if you're smart enough to count the cards, you will get caught, the shit beat of you and invited NOT to come back. And they are not polite!
Anyone considering for a moment letting big banksters take over your monies as Joe obviously does, should remember the recent crash and, earlier, Enron. Enron was not an isolated phenomenon, just the most famous because they got caught. SS has reported a healthy NET INCREASE in assets. When it collapsed, Enron had no REAL assets. It was all paper.
Sure --the GOP will DENY that Clinton ran a surplus because REAGAN, Bush and BUSH, the idiot all RAN UP HISTORIC DEFICITS. I believe in MATH. The numbers reveal the fuckin GOP to be 1) LIARS 2) incompetent (that explains why they lie) 3) psychopaths who don't give a flying fuck for anyone but their EXTREMELY RICH 'BASE', a RULING ONE PERCENT. They OWN more than over 90 percent of the rest of us combined. That's the because the GOP tax cuts FAVORED them, shifting the burden unfairly to you.
@232323C Joe the Plumber is making lots of money??? He's not even a real plumber. Last time I checked he was unemployed even as he was KISSING MCCAIN/PALLIN ass. He was a fuckin fluke who has his fifteen minutes of fame and --in that time --FAILED to say a damn thing was that either true or even MEANINGFUL. He DEFINES the word: FUCKTARD!
@lennhart he said he was opening a 250,000 business......so he didn't need social security..that was his stance not mine...i just pointed out that he was for no social security cause at that time he thought he was all set financially.. i agree he is a fuktard....
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Social Security IS a joke. Save your own money; don't rely on Big Daddy Gov to save for you, because they will screw it up! No one should trust their future to a corrupt bunch of thugs called the Federal Government! If you don't like freedom, live elsewhere. Joe is a genius compared to these idiot politicians.
People who rely on the government to take care of them are a burden to our society. If we weren't paying these insane taxes, we would have more money to retire. Go Joe!
@TheFathersAdvocate Social Security is the ONLY govt program that works. The TRUSTEES REPORT (read it) says that it is solvent at --at least --another 40 years if NOTHING is done. Joe and every GOPPER than I know has been lying about this either because they WANT the big banks to SPECULATE with your money. Clue: the big banks are the cause of the current economic collapse. Secondly, the GOP is complicit with them, endemically corrupt, lying crooks!
@TheFathersAdvocate The Trustees report says its NOT a joke. The annual cost of SS benefits are only "...4.8 percent of GDP in 2009 and is projected to increase gradually to 6.1 percent of GDP in 2035 and then decline to about 5.9 percent of GDP by 2050 and remain at about that level. The projected 75-year deficit for the combined Old-Age and Survivors Insurance and Disability Insurance ..Trust Funds is 1.92 percent of taxable payroll, down from 2.00 percent projected in last year’s report."
I daresay NONE of the BIG BANKSTERS are Wall Street, trading as they do on margins and funny money, can boast anything resembling the success that SS has enjoyed! SS does PRECISELY what it was intended to do, that is, provide a reasonable and reliable retirement for U.S. workers. Just as Reagan exported U.S. industry and jobs, the GOP attack on SS is just another attack on labor. To be expected of liars, psychopaths and idiots.
@TheFathersAdvocate No one is saying you can't save money AND have SS. HOWEVER, given the financial expertise of many posting here, however, I would advise everyone NOT a Wall St insider to keep SS as a hedge. The recent crisis should have made it clear. If you are going to save your own monies --WHAT are you going to put it in? Are you going to invest Wall Street? And if you are not going to trust a bankster or stock broker, are you going to put it in a mason jar and hide it under your bed?
A joke?! How many of our parents, including Mr. Plumber's, rely on this program? OK, so you won't retire in luxury on S.S., but at least you won't starve (which was a major problem among the elderly during the Great Depression) Read some history Joe, and just be thankful we have safety nets in case that money you save up is wiped out by bank failure long after you're capable of fixing pipes.
@thewag777 You are CORRECT. SS --is IN FACT --the govt's only success story and NO it is NOT in eminent danger but from GOP CROOKS, LIARS AND IDIOTS like JOE the fuckard, PHONY PLUMBER. That McCain/Palin SUCKED UP to this walking MORON who is not even a real plumber, prove how FUCKIN DESPARATE this ass holes are. Wake up, America. The GOP are not only extremists, they are delusionary and stupid.
idk whats wrong with people....but i know that when i get old and don't have a job to sustain myself anymore, and god forbid my children don't give a shit about me, then I would gladly accept a social secruity check....whats wrong with receiving money for free??? if youre an old person that has enough money to sustain yourself just give it to charity or something, I don't think they should ban ss for that; just because you have money doesn't mean everyone else does....stupid republicans.
@QuartuvLarry I didn't just TRY to block you, YOU IDIOT. I did block your sorry ass! CLUE: the first amendment does not does not mean I have to LISTEN or READ crap PUKED UP BY MORONS LIKE YOU! Fuck off!
Now --let's clear up another RIGHT WING LIE. Rush Limbaugh LIES when he said that "there never was a surplus" under President Clinton.FACT: from 1998 to 2001, the federal government ran total annual budget surpluses of between $69.2 billion and $236.2 billion, according to figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO). AGAIN --the src is the CBO, the NON-PARTISAN CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE. Now --you right wing fucktards --we are on to your fuckin lies and idiocy.
Everything government does, it does by force. Do you really want someone shoving a gun in your face if you don't want to sign up for their retirement plan?
@AmericanMale1953 Read the Trustees Report which Joe has obviously never done. SS is solvent for another 40 years if nothing is done. In the meantime, SS can be approached responsibly --NOT with demagoguery and other GOP lies, nonsense and efforts to enrich the big bankster who just want FREE MONEY which they will invest OFFSHORE where it will do the U.S no good. In fact, it will result in a contraction of the domestic money supply. The other word for that is 'DEPRESSION'.
@lennhart It is pretty obvious that you haven't read it either. It is solvent for 25 years IF THE WORKING GENERATION CONTINUES TO PAY FICA. The 25 years use some seriously debatable economic assumptions (which I am sure you have read). It is looking for 6% interest rates. DOH. Someone better let Bernanke in on it because he has been driving interest down to the 3% level. Privatization has some questionable assumptions, but nothing close to the questionable in the Trustees report.
@joetheeconomist I have read and saved as PDF files the entire report AND the trustee's summary. What would you like to know? I will be happy to EDUCATE you and every other person who has been similarly victimized by 1) GOP lies 2) GOP propaganda 3) GOP/right wing attempts to brainwash you. Joe's case, the GOP succeeded. Texas is a vision of what the GOP would do the nation if given a chance. Thx to Bush and Perry, TX beats out goober states (Mississippi) for DEAD LAST in education.
@lennhart Explain to me how the Trust Fund which owns roughly 500 billion in 3.5% debt expects to achieve a real return of 2.9%. Do you think that inflation is running at .06%. It is clear from what you write is that you haven't read it. Where do you get 40 years? Even with dubious assumptions, the SSA projects that it will be exhausted in 26 years. From what you write, it isn't even apparent that you know how the system is funded. EDUCATE ME, but first revisit your math facts.
SS is 100% invested in government bonds, that will become worthless in a few years, but in order to understand why you need a brain. SS payments will become worthless, we will not run out of nominal dollars for payments. Not before we cut the last tree, anyway :)
@ravaneli55 Wall Street was worthless FIRST and had to be BAILED OUT! Now --Wall STREET wants YOUR money for keeps. They will invest it offshore and speculate with it. Read the Trustees Report: SS is solvent for another 40 years if NOTHING is done. Secondly, if the the nation goes broke in the meantime, it will be because the GOP/RIGHT WING axis will have FUCKED again as it during the the Reagan DEPRESSION of some 2 years, the deepest and worst since Hoover!
@ravaneli55 They will become worthless if the GOP retains power. Since WWII, budget deficits have been worse under GOP regimes. The most EGREGIOUS offenders were Ronald Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr. Moreover, the U.S. dollar has lost value since Richard Nixon. Thanks to GOP economic incompetence, the dollar is essentially WORTHLESS were it not propped up by China. China, gets it all back, however, by DUMPING ITS CRAP on us at Wal-Mart. Check the CIA's World Fact Book Current Acct Balance.
The CIA World Fact Book lists the U.S. with the world's largest NEGATIVE Current Acct Balance, formerly called the 'balance of trade deifict'. China is on top with the World's largest POSITIVE CURRENT ACCOUNT balance. That's because they produce and export and we do not. Our slide into DEAD LAST began with Nixon's trip to China in the 70s, a deal that was set up by Bush Sr, V.P. at the time. BRIEFLY --the GOP has betrayed America and, more precisely, anyone who works for a living.
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@lennhart (from my channel because you're a big pussy who tried to block me. Oh yeah. I feel so blocked.)
Now you pay attention, lenntard, you stupid piece of shit! You're of no authority to label free speech, good or bad. It just IS! It's righteous virtue is derived from the very FACT that it continues to exist DESPITE how injured yours or anyone else's delicate sensibilities may be!
@lennhart Of course, we all have a right to life, liberty, and property, none of which supersedes the other. It's your channel to block me if you want, but it only shows me what a pussy you are.
Besides, your definition of bullshit is nothing but bullshit itself, so why waste time trying to justify yourself?
@ravaneli55 Read the TRUSTEES REPORT...they disagree with you and cite the facts. Not Billo. According SS Trustees who cite the official stats, SS is SOLVENT for at least another 40 years if NOTHING is done. Privatizing SS is a BIG BANKSTERS WE DREAM. For them --it's FREE MONEY with which they will speculate and invest OFFSHORE where it does NO AMERICAN any good whatsoever! The GOP is the PARTY of KISS UPS to the BIG BANKSTERS on Wall Street.
MORE TRUTH to counter the utter FUCKIN BULLSHIT that wingnuts have been posting here. Acc to the Anenburg foundation citing GOVT figures: Clinton admin passed a tax increase which the GOP lied about, claimed it was the largest in history. ANOTHER RIGHT WING NUT LIE! In fact, "It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers." It fact, it was the most equitable tax since Reagan/Bush gave the ULTRA WEALTHY a free ride and transferred the nation's wealth upward to the TOP 10 or 20 percent
I quoted BOTH CBO and SS TRUSTEES report. Both confirmed precisely what I said: SS is solvent and will remain so for quite some time. The right indulges another scare tactic in order to get YOUR money and give to big banks. They will try to control the markets with the additional leverage. They will SHORT SELL your retirement and enrich themselves even as they plunge the nation into another 'panic'. If the BANKSTERS continue this behavior they should be NATIONALIZED.
According to the CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE, the Clinton administration not only BALANCED the federal budget, it ERASED the federal deficit. That is true whether you count SS or not! SRC: cONGRESSIONAL BUDGERT OFFICE. .
That should read, of course, CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE Another bald-faced right wing lie --originating from LARD ASS LIMBUAGH -- bites the dust. Honestly, Limbaugh is not just professional goddamned liar, he is certifiably insane and should be put away.
The MYTH that there was NO Clinton surplus is another LIE started by a man who has NEVER told the truth --RUSH LIMBAUGH. Who else? LOL LOL The FACTS are that during Clinton the federal budget balanced and the BUSH DEFICIT ERASED! That is true whether you count SS or not. SOURCE. Congressional Budget Office
Here are the OFFICIAL STATS on Clinton: Job Growth Per Year Under Most Recent Presidents8 Johnson 3.8% Carter 3.1 Clinton 2.4 Kennedy 2.3 Nixon 2.3 Reagan 2.1 Bush 0.6 -- Bureau of Labor Statistics It is not surprising that as MORE people worked and were productive, Clinton balanced the budget and, in fact, reported a SURPLUS. Republicans hate him --not because he failed --but because he succeeded. GOPPS likewise HATE anyone who dares tell the truth!
@lennhart Clinton is also the reason our unemployment is through the roof, with his NAFTA bill, and now even more people rely on the government breast to sustain themselves. Surplus was very short-term, due to huge profits made from sending our jobs overseas. You need to look at the big picture: the long-term economic suffering that came from his short-term "surplus".
The GOP has NOTHING in their bag O tricks but to call those who prove them wrong 'retards'. The GOP is a party of psychopaths. Scientific studies have been done of them. Bush Sr told Sarah McClendon, Dec 1992, "If the people knew what we had done, they would ... lynch us." Bush is reported to have participated in parties where child prostitutes were sodomized, abused. His statement to McClendon should be taken seriously." Psychopaths know they are different and learn to MIMIC normalcy.
The ONLY danger I see to SS is that the GOP will steal future elections, repeal the BILL OF RIGHTS and extend in perpetuity Bush's suspension of Habeas Corpus. Flush with what ONLY GOPPERS would call success, they will presume to FIX what is not broken. They will LOOT SS as they cut taxes for top 1 percent which owns more than the rest of us combined. This is a LAUNDERED way in which just 1 percent of the nation will have further enriched itself with the retirements of working class America.
In fact, SS has been such a rousing success that the govt should take care to keep it solvent.Such a success IS SS that instead of plotting to ENRICH banksters with it, a PRUDENT government would put forward responsible measures to ensure it continued success beyond 40 or 50 years. No OTHER govt program can claim to be sound for a period 40 or 50 years, NO other program turns a surplus.
"CBO’s projections indicate that future Social Security beneficiaries will receive larger benefits in retirement—and will have paid higher payroll taxes—than current beneficiaries do, even after adjustments have been made for inflation and even if the scheduled payments are reduced because the trust funds are exhausted. ...CBO estimates that under both scenarios, those benefits will represent a smaller percentage of beneficiaries’ preretirement earnings than is the case now." CRISIS? NOT!
From the trustees report: "The annual cost of Social Security benefits represented 4.8 percent of GDP in 2009 and is projected to increase gradually to 6.1 percent of GDP in 2035 and then decline to about 5.9 percent of GDP by 2050 and remain at about that level." I am ---like ---SO SCARED! This is hardly confirmation of JOE. In fact, it DISPROVES the scare tactics and lies that are spread by a party of goddamned liars.
Again --the issue here is JOE. He has proven himself an idiot. And SS is NOT a joke! It is only attacked because it can be traced back to FDR who is HATED by the teeth gnashers in the GOP not because he was a failure but because, like Clinton, he was a HUGE success. The GOP is party of goddamned liars, psychopaths, traitors, and fucking liars. I have NEVER caught a gopper telling the truth except by accident. So --you shills --stick that up your ass!
Again --according to the trustees report, SS is solvent AT LEAST through the next 40 years or more. See the new vid on YouTube: INSIDE JOB: How the Banksters HEISTED America's Wealth! Not content to have already fucked us over, the BANKSTER now what to steal our money. If you think that is cook, then WRITE Chase out a check for the balance in your bank acct. If you think this is call, cool then PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Send the big bankster YOUR money directly and cut out the middle man.
Again ---acc to the trustees report, SS is solvent for at least another 40 years. That disproves everything said by the GOP, especially IDIOTS like JOE the Plumber. There is NO CRISIS except the THREAT posed to SS by the right wing. SS is NOT a joke. It is --in fact --the ONLY government program that has done precisely what it was designed to do. It is HATED by the right wing because 1) FDR admin came up with it 2) they COVET that money and want to give it the big banksters to SPECULATE with.
Again --for those not paying attention. I have read the trustees report. SS is solvent at least for another 40 years if nothing is done. GOP admins --ReaganBushBush primarily --raid SS to balance current accounts; those admins BOAST the highest DEBTS and DEFICITS. Clinton --significantly --returned a SURPLUS. And for awhile SS was safe. There is nothing wrong with SS but the VENAL LYING BASTARDS in the GOP who COVET those funds and wish to enrich BIG BANKERS with them.
@lennhart LMAO! Oho my God! I thought I just TAUGHT you that there was no Clinton surplus! What did you do every time you got a D in school? Scream and cry until someone gave you a lolly?
@QuartuvLarry you indulge delusions of grandeur. there is NOTHING that an idiot like you can teach anyone. And YES ---there WAS a Clinton surplus. I have cited the govt's own stats to prove that AND the fact that ANY DEMOCRATIC prez has presided over greater GDP and JOB GROWTH than any gopp prez. since WWII. Fact it --the GOP is not a political party; it is a kooky cult and a crime syndicate. LOSERS!
@lennhart Actually, I TRIED to teach you, but turd-gobbling RETARDS like you find it too inconvenient to learn. I even instructed your dumbass to look it up on the Dept of Treasury's website. Or do you need hand puppets to show you the way? Hmm? OH! ANd how is the GDP and job growth coming along under THIS democrat president? Hmm? Or is it more your patriotic duty to be STUPID for Obama?
@QuartuvLarry You have NOTHING to teach anyone. You never even came close to refuting or EVEN ADDRESSING a single issue I bourght up. You are delusional I quoted excepts from the trustees report and it confirms precisely what I said: SS is solvent and will remain so for quite some time; 2) IN ANY CASE --turning it over to SPECULATORS is NUTS. Get a life.
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@lennhart Yes I did. In fact, I not only refuted, but utterly DESTROYED your Clinton surplus myth, dumbass! That was SUPPOSED to be lesson #1! But apparently, you are too contemptibly stupid in your worship of Obastard and his ilk to even learn that one simple lesson I taught you! Know when you're wrong, debate-team drop-out, because you are nothing BUT wrongness here!
@QuartuvLarry You're deusional. the Clinton surplus was real and so are his JOB CREATION numbers. That more people were working means more revenues and, as the official stats also prove, great GDP growth. See the Bureau of Labor Stats, U.S. Commerce Dept-B.E.A. and the U.S. Census Bureau: Clinton was among the best PREZZES since World War II in those categories. Every DEM beats EVERY gop since WWII.
@lennhart AWW! The complete and utter dumbshit comes back to spray more stupid all over the place after I taught its stupid ass that there WAS NO SURPLUS! Do I have to repeat myself? Why can't your very UNscientific mind go look at the SOURCE, instead of all the beat-around-duh-bush departments? That's right, I'm talking about the Treasury Department! Only the PUBLIC debt was down. The INTRAGOVERNMENTAL DEBT was increased because Clintoon "borrowed" from Social Security!
I talk about Reagan because Reagan is the SPECIMEN by which every other GOP result may be compared and measured. Facts are facts. EVERY Dem has presided over greater GDP growth and job growth than ANY GOP President since World War Two. I have repeatedly posted the official stats from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Commerce Dept-BEA, and the U.S. Census Bureau. These are the official numbers that are referenced and cited by every real economist in the U.S.
If you want confirmation that Reagan doubled the federal bureaucracy and tripled the national deficit, check the OFFICIAL FIGURES at the C.B.O. --the Congressional Budget Office. But you can find confirmation at any number of official sources. It's a matter of public record.
@lennhart Ha ha ha! Why are you talking about Reagan, you silly, silly bitch? Did I bring him up? Noooo, no I didn't! LMAO! You STILL seem unable to address Obongo's $4.4 trillion spending spree! We're not talking about Bush, nor are we talking about the arbitrary non-union control of Texas. Maybe you should stay on topic to avoid further embarrassment, mmkay?
@QuartuvLarry Have you never heard of the word 'EXAMPLE'? I am talking about Reagan because the GOP faithful thought Reagan would finish off SS. Reagan routine raided SS. 2) Reaganomics typifies GOP supply-side economics which has NEVER worked. If you believe it did, PROVE IT! The Reagan admin proves that it is all bullshit and does not and has never worked. Reagan is the specimen, the evidence that proves GOP bullshit is bullshit and has never, ever worked.
@lennhart BTW --check the Bureau of Labor Stats, the U.S. Commerce Department -BEA and the Census Bureau. Reagan is among two GOP Prezzes at the very bottom of the list with the two WORST job creation records. The other dip shit listed is Bush Sr. The top slots are all Democrats. Jimmy Carter, for example, is second in over all job creation since WWII. Clinton will mop up the floor with Bush Jr whose economic performance may yet prove to have been worse than that of Reagan.
@lennhart You know, bringing up "job creation" is about as useful information as looking at my shit to recall what I had for dinner. A job is worthless if it generates no return.
Joe is a shill for the 1%. NONE of the debt is because of Social Security, it's for the wars and the tax cuts to the rich. Can't you people see it's he 1% who are behind these lies? They want to protect their huge tax cuts and corporate welfare and realize that there are trillions of dollars to be had if they rob the rest of us of our miniscule Social Security paymens Joe is a shill, nothing less.
MAINEPREPPER 3 weeks ago
It's been well documented that this man is uneducated, unintelligent (too dumb to pass the licensing test for plumbers), unemployed, and deeply in debt. What will be supporting him at the age of 70? That's right, Social Security. We'll see just how committed he is to his ideals then.
crazymiles 4 weeks ago
Hats off to Joe the moron and the legion of idiots who follow him! lol
scottsway 1 month ago
Why are Americans so scared of the government?
incredibleXMan 1 month ago
@incredibleXMan its because they cant think for themselves! They sit around watching fixed news and right wing hate radio and think its fact.
scottsway 1 month ago 2
@scottsway Seriously man it's disgraceful how these powerful media moguls can hold democracy to ransom.
incredibleXMan 1 month ago
Fucking asshole....
Spaghettimonster777 2 months ago
He thinks he a plumber thats a joke, until he really needs one.
chucknchar 3 months ago
he hates social security, except when he and his family collected it to live on, just doesn't think it should be there for anyone else.. i'm not making it up, just ask him if he ever collected what a piece of shit!!!!
belfast479 3 months ago 2
Well the only point he has is that he dont personally like it (social security). Therefore its bad to force it on him.
So I gues you cant help people who dont want help.
gulbirk 3 months ago
@LineOfDeath12 that's an original insult, did you consult 'Internet Tough Guy' Magazine?
TiminSE 4 months ago
Biggest troll ever
freevailable 5 months ago
@hugobossdb yes, they actually do. they did it fine before 1935, the only reason they stopped was because they think they can count on SS and medicare. we're responsible americans, we can handle our own futures. the only reason people who live paycheck to paycheck don't save 10 dollars per week is because theyt hink they can count on SS and medicare. when those systems collapse, those people will be screwed. the government is not a parent, we are not its children!
Welsh77 5 months ago
@Welsh77, you are the epitome of the uninformed follower who simply regurgitates what he's heard without verification or analysis. Dude, people are living paycheck to paycheck not because they decided to rely on SS and Medicare but because wages have been close to stagnant over the past 30 years and haven't kept up with inflation. Instead of just pulling opinions straight out of your a&&, you should look at a few statistics concerning wages and wealth distribution. People like you drag us down.
trader1963 5 months ago
@trader1963 you're an idiot, i've worked numerous minimum wage jobs and those people are relying on social security and medicare, you're ignorant. anyone with earned income can have an IRA, don't tell me someone netting $320 per week can't save 20 bucks per week, thats more than 1k per year, put it in and IRA, deduct it from their taxes, and build a nest egg. i dont believe it, our richest citizens all have one thing in common: strong savings! your paternalistic attitude dumbs the poor down!
Welsh77 5 months ago
@Welsh77, you deserve to be spoken to in a paternalistic way because you have the common sense of a child. Dude, obviously math is not your strong suit. Do you really think that by putting away $1,000 a year, even for 50 years, at present interest rates that barely keeps up with inflation, that you could actually retire for more than a couple of years before running out of money? You desperately need to enroll in some sort of math class.
trader1963 5 months ago
@trader1963 you clearly know NOTHING about finance. if your logic was sound, the maximum deductible contribution to an IRA would have to be WAY MORE than 5,000 per year, but it isn't. don't tell me 1k or 2k a year wouldn't do anything. hundreds of bond mutual funds provide consistent returns of 7% or more, money doubles every ten years at 7%. you really need to read up on investments before making claims that just interest rates and inflation are all that matters for saving and investing.
Welsh77 5 months ago
@trader1963 and how dumb can you be?? if people couldn't make enough to save for retirement, how would social security even work?! the govt seems to think they have enough to put away for retirement, that's why they take 12% of their wages. the employee pays both halves, one directly, and the other in the form of a depressed wage. people could be putting that money in IRAs if they could keep it themselves. the lack of saving is a recent phenomenon, only 25 years old. go on the NBER's website!
Welsh77 5 months ago
@trader1963 they also have kept up with inflation you idiot, or else the real wage would have declined, and it hasn't. it's just slightly higher than it was 30 years ago, almost no progress but definitely not a lower real wage than 1985. by the way, the only reason we HAVE inflation is because we create it! if the fed wasn't allowed to just keep printing more money, inflation wouldn't exist! chronic inflation was NONEXISTENT before 1914! you ignorant fool
Welsh77 5 months ago
What a Boob. If you want to know the Real Joe, see "Red State Update-Joe the Plumber."
profnasty 5 months ago
What a BUM....and a puppet.. When he was anunemployed $ 9 per hour plumber's helper...who was he laying up on? His parents? His Wife? or His children? He sure wasn't pulling money out of his ass.....
Gene6002 6 months ago
Joe the plumber WAS a joke.. now hes nothing
mrumsower 6 months ago
How can that be a joke?
dmana3172 6 months ago
Social Security is a program that pay incomes on the basis of retirement, survivor and disability.
dmana3172 6 months ago
ROFL all the liberals hate this video because he's saying he doesn't wanna pay for their welfare checks. they hate it bc they want something for nothing.
hobsdigree2 7 months ago
Choosing Joe the Plumber as a campaign theme for McCain must be the biggest mistake in American history. I bet Obama still sends "Thank you" - notes to McCain. It is amazing that McCain still let him speak after his first TV-appearances.
oyra123 8 months ago
@oyra123 your forgetting about his pick for a running mate...
mvallin 7 months ago
@oyra123 I know right? because a guy like joe the plumber who pays his taxes and is sick of government dipping their hands in his pockets doesn't represent Americans at all right? we all want something for nothing, a devaluation of the dollar because fuck the rich who pay 80% of all taxes and invested their money wisely, we shouldn't promote that at all, in fact they are all evil, not the bum fucks who sit at home and smoke weed all day and collect a gov check its all the rick's fault.
hobsdigree2 7 months ago
@hobsdigree2 Actually, Joe the Plumber did not pay all his taxes, and his family was also on welfare a couple of times. And during the campaign, he spoke against a system that helped him and his family through bad times - I think that is a very egoistic way of thinking. Another thing - very few get rich completely on their own. Most people gets help from time to time - and if you don´t do well, you don´t pay much taxes either, but you still benefit from the system.
oyra123 7 months ago
@oyra123 who do they get help from? it isn't welfare, foodstamps or unemployment benefits. you're actually dead wrong, most rich people have earned what they have through investing in their education and hard work. its amazing how people think the top 1% got rich out of no effort, just pure inheritance. their wealth has grown massively over the last 50 years. where did they inherit all that new wealth from? more than half of millionares are first generational! learn the facts.
Welsh77 5 months ago
@hobsdigree2 #1 Joe doesn't pay his taxes. #2 Both Joe and his family have been on welfare many times. #3 The 'rich' do not pay 80% of all the taxes. At least not in the USA that's on planet Earth that's in the Milkyway.
ETericET 5 months ago
I'm trying to have a life while waiting for disability to finally get approved. I have been trying to meet a woman from a dating site and I did. She is disabled, too and she invited me to a dance? LOL Well there is very little I can regularly do and if I do engage in something its not without "my chair". This woman, on disability, was literally running during raffle give aways and dancing in between??!!! I am way worse off than her and she's just livin life while I sat in my chair! Must be nice!
8MCDonalds8 8 months ago
"Social Security's a joke...."
Got news for you, Joe. You're a fucking joke, and not a funny one.
p3snooper 8 months ago
Actually, Joe the Welfare Queen has proven he needs the government to parent him. WTF is he talking about?? He took money from the people when he claimed he needed it!
andotech 8 months ago
You don't need to go to any other web site but those of the Trustees Report to get the actuarial data re: SS. Since u-tube doesn't like URLs, just GOOGLE: "social secrutiy, trustees report, summary" Educate yourself! Do NOT take the work of an idiot who is challenged to put together a single complete sentence on ANY topic.
lennhart 8 months ago
w3w fixssnow.org lists all of the problems, and all of the possible solutions. It is no longer about the next generation. It is about us and how our parents will live in retirement. Put it off long enough, and you will get to pick which one of your inlaws comes to live with you.
joetheeconomist 8 months ago
@joetheeconomist SS is solvent but would had been better had not GOP regimes run up HISTORIC deficits financed upon the back of the SS. "The annual cost of Social Security benefits represented 4.8 percent of GDP in 2009 and is projected to increase gradually to 6.1 percent of GDP in 2035 ..The projected 75-year actuarial deficit for is 1.92 percent of taxable payroll, down from 2.00 percent projected in last year’s report." CRISIS???? what fucking crisis? The big banks just want YOUR money!
lennhart 8 months ago
lol... joe the cock sucker!
sherhak 9 months ago 2
this dumb fuck wouldn't invest in shit. give me a break!
coolcat3232 9 months ago
What the fuck would he invest in thats going to provide him with adequate health care, shelter, heat, and food.
chuckhouk1 9 months ago
who gives a fuck what this stupid redneck thinks
coopmuch56 9 months ago
it really is a joke. Why should we be told where we have to invest our money that we earned, not the government. and truckdawg, if u see this the price of gas has tripled since that fool has become our president.
ETEKEGO4life1214 9 months ago
@ETEKEGO4life1214
So in other words, you wouldn't want benefits Social Security offers that help make your life of retirement easier that you yourself have paid into all your working years, right?
NaziGOPBallmer 9 months ago
@ETEKEGO4life1214 YEAH GAS WAS ***NEVER** EXPENSIVE WHEN BUSH WAS IN OFFICE- STOP VOTING DUM DUM
thework4444 9 months ago
@ETEKEGO4life1214 You want a joke??? I will tell you a joke! YOU give your money to BANKSTERS what the GOP calls 'privatization' and they will give YOU a worthless paper receipt and a hardy THANK YOU, you idiot! Banksters will enrich themselves short selling stocks triggering depression/recession which --'oddly' ---seem ALWAYS to occur during GOP regimes: Coolidge, Hoover, Ike, Reagan (two years, the deepest, longest since '29), Bush Sr and --of course --the blithering idiot: Bush Jr.
lennhart 8 months ago
the trustee report was written by the governemnt.
There are six Trustees, four of whom serve by virtue of their positions in the Federal Government: the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Labor, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the Commissioner of Social Security. The other two Trustees are public representatives appointed by the President, subject to confirmation by the Senate. The two Public Trustee positions are currently vacant.
fox guarding the hen house
McSuperFk 9 months ago
Joe the Plumber is a joke and a criminal who does not pay his taxes or a licensed plumber.
carnypimp 9 months ago
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Socialist Secutiry, Medicare and Medicaid should not exist. They are coercive and criminal.
Everything should be voluntary, the opposite of criminal socialism.
qwertypoiu4321 9 months ago
(dot)ssa(dot)gov/oact/trsum/index(dot)html (Trustees Report)
By the way, where in this Trustees Report do you people see social security improving? After reading it, it just confirms the fact that most left-wingers, Harry Reid included, are far more willing to let social security remain unsolved and leave it for Generation X and Y to solve. What load of crock is that about? Maybe he should kick the bucket like the rest of these airhead politicians.
eshkicker 10 months ago
@eshkicker My mother my Aunt and my wife are on SSI disability .They have not got a cost of living raise in over two years .Why you might ask ?because according to the gov table with gas almost 4$ a gallon transportation of goods almost certain to go up there is no inflation .Every time they need a new earmark get it from social sec .No what we need is for these politicians to have to live as the rest of us term limits ,no lifetime salary or ins .They will fix it then
truckdawg43 9 months ago 2
@eshkicker You can't fix what is not a problem social security. Welfare, paid government vacations, earmarks for oil companies, protecting the borders they are what needs cut. You and your right wing party are the airheads. But then again since all of the mexicans, blacks and liberals completely high jacked the democratic party we are fucked both ways.
carnypimp 9 months ago
@carnypimp I think you fuct yourself
Stanger182 9 months ago
The last I heard about social security was that we took a hit in 2010 and will probably take another this year. With only $2.5 trillion invested in bonds, how are we NOT paying more attention to it? The government has borrowed money and doesn't have any clue on how to pay it back, but then again, Roosevelt's social security plan was meant to run at a surplus because people simply did not live nearly as long as they do now. People should have the right to invest money how they wish.
eshkicker 10 months ago
@kaysandesses thanks. You are absolutely correct about right-wingers i.e, 'wingnuts'. They will call a 'lie' things that they KNOW are true and vice versa. Bertolt Brecht had their number and summed them up: "A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a CROOK!" Or --as I have said the GOP is NOT a political party; it is a CRIME SYNDICATE.
lennhart 11 months ago
@InspiredMuse74 You bet he will. Do you suppose an IDIOT like Joe --who has not even bothered to read the SS TRUSTEES REPORT --has been smart enough to plan a retirement. Last time I checked, Joe was unemployed. He's not even a licensed plumber. In some ways I feel sorry for the poor slob. McCain USED HIM like a two dollar whore.
lennhart 11 months ago 13
@lennhart people like you will bring an end to this country. you think we need a paternalistic government to force us to save, when in reality the only reason the middle class and poor have no savings is because they're counting on SS and medicare. we are responsible enough to save, we were for more than 150 years. it wasn't until the government made us dependent on the system that we stopped saving. we have trillions in IOUs to SS, it's going to fail and leave people without retirement $
Welsh77 5 months ago
@lennhart Joe the plumber sounds smart to me. It aint rocket science what he's talking about.
imbonnie 1 month ago
Again --the source is the OFFICIAL report of the Social Security 'trustees'. You can download it and find out for yourself that Joe is just parroting propaganda. fucking lies and bullshit that he heard from other moronic GOP liars and frauds. ssa DOT gov/OACT/TR/2010/tr10 DOT pdf [SS Trustees Report]
lennhart 11 months ago 12
Again --ANYONE suggesting that monies you pay into SS be 'privatized' i.e, placed with a BIG BANK is a moron! the SS Trustees Report (URL in my previous post) DISPUTES every right wing nut/GOP lie that has been told about SS. The GOP politicians and other liars attacking SS indebted to the big banks! It's a laundered payoff. Stop being a right wing idiot ; stop being naive!
lennhart 11 months ago 3
@lennhart You're one of the few people that I've ever seen posting on Youtube that has also read the SS Trustee's report. Well done. I've used the trustee's report as evidence in debate with some people that I know to be well-educated but being right-wingers, don't have the guts to look at information that will shred their preconceptions.
kaysandesses 11 months ago 2
@kaysandesses thanks. You are absolutely correct about right-wingers i.e, 'wingnuts'. They will call a 'lie' things that they KNOW are true and vice versa. Bertolt Brecht had their number and summed them up: "A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a CROOK!" Or --as I have said the GOP is NOT a political party; it is a CRIME SYNDICATE.
lennhart 11 months ago
An IDIOT called me an 'idiot' on this forum. That response is to be expected from GOP FUCKING LIARS. I was called an idiot for citing the TRUSTEES REPORT re: SOCIAL SECURITY. The trustees report --rather --proves that JOE THE PLUMBER IS A FUCKING RETARD. Joe probably doesn't even know what the Trustees are or what the TRUSTEES REPORT is: DOT ssa.gov/OACT/TR/2010/tr10 DOT pdf I suggest that anyone calling me an 'idiot', read the REPORT and weep!
lennhart 11 months ago 3
Joe is 100% correct.
TimeWarp66 11 months ago
for sure a BIG joke, like the SS nazi...
resfalgio 11 months ago
Textbook example of what capitalism is doing to american...thank god I dont live their
regalgreen 11 months ago 2
@regalgreen
What are you talking about?
TimeWarp66 11 months ago
He wont be saying its a joke when he's old enough to collect it.
misterdirtyharry 11 months ago 2
I never hated that I paid these taxes. It isn't a lot it would come out to be around $10 a paycheck for SS and $2 for medicare. That not a lot of money.
InspiredMuse74 1 year ago
yeah but when if he becomes disabled or elderly he will sure be looking for that social security. Social Security in it's purest form is a good thing. You pay so much into a system and you get it back. Now not everyone needs social security but if they don't want to pay into then they can't get anything back. Why does everyone always want to take from the poor and elderly? The weakest in society is always looked down upon!
InspiredMuse74 1 year ago
@InspiredMuse74 Too bad the current system of SS is convoluted and voluminous. I am the victim of the poor and elderly in that I was born in '94 and have the burden of 14 trillion in debt to pay off. I don't feel anyone has a right to tax me for a debt incurred before I had the right to vote. That is the definition of taxation without representation. I believe that people have an ability to invest for themselves without help from the government and save responsibly.
Thatmakessense356 1 year ago
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lennhart 11 months ago
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Democrats started Social Security and claimed participation in the program would be completely voluntary. Democrats then made it a non voluntary program. Democrats said participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual income into the Program. Democrats changed that to 7.65% on the first $90,000.
n5ifi 1 year ago
Democrats said that the money the participants elected to put into the program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year. Democrats made it no longer tax deductible. Democrats said the money that participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund' would not be mixed into the general operating fund. Democrats moved the social security money into the general operating fund and the money was spent.
n5ifi 1 year ago
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Democrats said that the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income. Democrats changed that so that up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed. Which party was in charge and made these changes? Democrats!
Which party allowed Immigrants to move into this country, and at age 65, receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to illegal immigrants, even though they never paid a dime into it.
n5ifi 1 year ago
I feel slightly sorry for him.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
"hate that its forced on me" ... but he'll take it anyway (just like the welfare he received).
EMPERORMIKI 1 year ago
i like his haircut
onojmai 1 year ago
Social security is nothing but a big fraud. There is too much abuse and people that really need it cannot get it. I meet people on busses all the time that have nothing physically or mentally wrong in any way and brag about how many checks they are getting. You know who you are lady in Cornelius Oregon that cussed me out last week for no reason. I cannot walk due to a bad car wreck from 1992 and still cannot get is. Lady you will get caught and know you are committing fraud in the SS system!!
PamelaRP 1 year ago
@PamelaRP NO! You exposed me! I am the lady in Cornelius Oregon, Now big brother knows where I am.
Sydwayman 1 year ago
Simple solution to SS. Right now we are taxed at a rate o 6% (matched by employer) up to $107,000 annually. Any income over that is not taxed. Keep the rate the same, but simply tax all income, or maybe just raise it to income up to $500,000. It will generate far more revenue for SS without having to raise the tax rate.
thewag777 1 year ago
@thewag777 BETTER SOLUTION: Tax the rich and COLLECT it! Just 1 percent own more than the rest of us combined. They may pay no taxes at all! So --howz about we TAX the rich and COLLECT the proceeds?. The rich invest their monies OFFSHORE --beyond the reach of the tax man. Some pay NO taxes whatever! If everyone were taxed fairly not only would SS be safe, the economy would rebound with monies that are now enriching OTHER COUNTRIES.
lennhart 1 year ago 3
From the SS Trustees Report: SS: "the Social Security OASI and DI Trust Funds are adequately financed until 2040 and 2018, respectively, the significant longer term financial imbalances of the programs still need to be addressed. The sooner action is taken to address the long-run financial imbalances, the more reform options will be available, and the more time there will be to phase in changes so that those affected will have adequate time to prepare." I hardly call that a CRISIS!
lennhart 1 year ago 3
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Anyone who is NOT a Wall St insider depending up Wall st insiders for your retirement is a fool. Your chances of retiring comfortably without SS as a part of a diversified portfolio is about as good as your chances of breaking the bank in Vegas or Monte Carlo. Even if you're smart enough to count the cards, you will get caught, the shit beat of you and invited NOT to come back. And they are not polite!
lennhart 1 year ago 3
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lennhart 1 year ago
Anyone considering for a moment letting big banksters take over your monies as Joe obviously does, should remember the recent crash and, earlier, Enron. Enron was not an isolated phenomenon, just the most famous because they got caught. SS has reported a healthy NET INCREASE in assets. When it collapsed, Enron had no REAL assets. It was all paper.
lennhart 1 year ago 3
Sure --the GOP will DENY that Clinton ran a surplus because REAGAN, Bush and BUSH, the idiot all RAN UP HISTORIC DEFICITS. I believe in MATH. The numbers reveal the fuckin GOP to be 1) LIARS 2) incompetent (that explains why they lie) 3) psychopaths who don't give a flying fuck for anyone but their EXTREMELY RICH 'BASE', a RULING ONE PERCENT. They OWN more than over 90 percent of the rest of us combined. That's the because the GOP tax cuts FAVORED them, shifting the burden unfairly to you.
lennhart 1 year ago 2
@232323C Joe the Plumber is making lots of money??? He's not even a real plumber. Last time I checked he was unemployed even as he was KISSING MCCAIN/PALLIN ass. He was a fuckin fluke who has his fifteen minutes of fame and --in that time --FAILED to say a damn thing was that either true or even MEANINGFUL. He DEFINES the word: FUCKTARD!
lennhart 1 year ago 3
@lennhart he said he was opening a 250,000 business......so he didn't need social security..that was his stance not mine...i just pointed out that he was for no social security cause at that time he thought he was all set financially.. i agree he is a fuktard....
232323C 1 year ago 2
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Social Security IS a joke. Save your own money; don't rely on Big Daddy Gov to save for you, because they will screw it up! No one should trust their future to a corrupt bunch of thugs called the Federal Government! If you don't like freedom, live elsewhere. Joe is a genius compared to these idiot politicians.
People who rely on the government to take care of them are a burden to our society. If we weren't paying these insane taxes, we would have more money to retire. Go Joe!
TheFathersAdvocate 1 year ago
@TheFathersAdvocate Social Security is the ONLY govt program that works. The TRUSTEES REPORT (read it) says that it is solvent at --at least --another 40 years if NOTHING is done. Joe and every GOPPER than I know has been lying about this either because they WANT the big banks to SPECULATE with your money. Clue: the big banks are the cause of the current economic collapse. Secondly, the GOP is complicit with them, endemically corrupt, lying crooks!
lennhart 1 year ago 3
@TheFathersAdvocate The Trustees report says its NOT a joke. The annual cost of SS benefits are only "...4.8 percent of GDP in 2009 and is projected to increase gradually to 6.1 percent of GDP in 2035 and then decline to about 5.9 percent of GDP by 2050 and remain at about that level. The projected 75-year deficit for the combined Old-Age and Survivors Insurance and Disability Insurance ..Trust Funds is 1.92 percent of taxable payroll, down from 2.00 percent projected in last year’s report."
lennhart 1 year ago 2
I daresay NONE of the BIG BANKSTERS are Wall Street, trading as they do on margins and funny money, can boast anything resembling the success that SS has enjoyed! SS does PRECISELY what it was intended to do, that is, provide a reasonable and reliable retirement for U.S. workers. Just as Reagan exported U.S. industry and jobs, the GOP attack on SS is just another attack on labor. To be expected of liars, psychopaths and idiots.
lennhart 1 year ago
@TheFathersAdvocate No one is saying you can't save money AND have SS. HOWEVER, given the financial expertise of many posting here, however, I would advise everyone NOT a Wall St insider to keep SS as a hedge. The recent crisis should have made it clear. If you are going to save your own monies --WHAT are you going to put it in? Are you going to invest Wall Street? And if you are not going to trust a bankster or stock broker, are you going to put it in a mason jar and hide it under your bed?
lennhart 1 year ago
thats cause he is making alot of money....not everyone is an entrapenuer.....
232323C 1 year ago
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lennhart 1 year ago
A joke?! How many of our parents, including Mr. Plumber's, rely on this program? OK, so you won't retire in luxury on S.S., but at least you won't starve (which was a major problem among the elderly during the Great Depression) Read some history Joe, and just be thankful we have safety nets in case that money you save up is wiped out by bank failure long after you're capable of fixing pipes.
thewag777 1 year ago
@thewag777 You are CORRECT. SS --is IN FACT --the govt's only success story and NO it is NOT in eminent danger but from GOP CROOKS, LIARS AND IDIOTS like JOE the fuckard, PHONY PLUMBER. That McCain/Palin SUCKED UP to this walking MORON who is not even a real plumber, prove how FUCKIN DESPARATE this ass holes are. Wake up, America. The GOP are not only extremists, they are delusionary and stupid.
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sushanalone 1 year ago
idk whats wrong with people....but i know that when i get old and don't have a job to sustain myself anymore, and god forbid my children don't give a shit about me, then I would gladly accept a social secruity check....whats wrong with receiving money for free??? if youre an old person that has enough money to sustain yourself just give it to charity or something, I don't think they should ban ss for that; just because you have money doesn't mean everyone else does....stupid republicans.
itzthecatattack 1 year ago
SUCH AN IDIOT.....
John2008nj 1 year ago
he is an idiot
ericscarface 1 year ago
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@QuartuvLarry I didn't just TRY to block you, YOU IDIOT. I did block your sorry ass! CLUE: the first amendment does not does not mean I have to LISTEN or READ crap PUKED UP BY MORONS LIKE YOU! Fuck off!
lennhart 1 year ago 2
joe cmom admit it you will be the first in line when it time to collect ss.... fool...
scottsway 1 year ago
joe the plumber is the a typical buffoon of america. clueless nitwit is nothing more than liar and fraud. aka joe the moron!
scottsway 1 year ago 3
@scottsway You forgot to mention how he has the radio tuned to the 3 Stooges all day (Hannerty, Rush, Beck).
rickbar123 1 year ago 2
@rickbar123 LMAO!!!!!!!!
scottsway 1 year ago
Now --let's clear up another RIGHT WING LIE. Rush Limbaugh LIES when he said that "there never was a surplus" under President Clinton.FACT: from 1998 to 2001, the federal government ran total annual budget surpluses of between $69.2 billion and $236.2 billion, according to figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO). AGAIN --the src is the CBO, the NON-PARTISAN CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE. Now --you right wing fucktards --we are on to your fuckin lies and idiocy.
lennhart 1 year ago 7
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@mechmusician And every thing WALL STREET does is by FARCE.
lennhart 1 year ago 5
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Everything government does, it does by force. Do you really want someone shoving a gun in your face if you don't want to sign up for their retirement plan?
mechmusician 1 year ago
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lennhart 1 year ago
Who listens to this liar plant?
gardenbie 1 year ago 5
I don't like Social Security either. But before you eliminate it make sure I get every penny back I paid into it. I ain't no damn fool.
AmericanMale1953 1 year ago
@AmericanMale1953 Read the Trustees Report which Joe has obviously never done. SS is solvent for another 40 years if nothing is done. In the meantime, SS can be approached responsibly --NOT with demagoguery and other GOP lies, nonsense and efforts to enrich the big bankster who just want FREE MONEY which they will invest OFFSHORE where it will do the U.S no good. In fact, it will result in a contraction of the domestic money supply. The other word for that is 'DEPRESSION'.
lennhart 1 year ago 12
@lennhart It is pretty obvious that you haven't read it either. It is solvent for 25 years IF THE WORKING GENERATION CONTINUES TO PAY FICA. The 25 years use some seriously debatable economic assumptions (which I am sure you have read). It is looking for 6% interest rates. DOH. Someone better let Bernanke in on it because he has been driving interest down to the 3% level. Privatization has some questionable assumptions, but nothing close to the questionable in the Trustees report.
joetheeconomist 8 months ago
@joetheeconomist I have read and saved as PDF files the entire report AND the trustee's summary. What would you like to know? I will be happy to EDUCATE you and every other person who has been similarly victimized by 1) GOP lies 2) GOP propaganda 3) GOP/right wing attempts to brainwash you. Joe's case, the GOP succeeded. Texas is a vision of what the GOP would do the nation if given a chance. Thx to Bush and Perry, TX beats out goober states (Mississippi) for DEAD LAST in education.
lennhart 8 months ago
@lennhart Explain to me how the Trust Fund which owns roughly 500 billion in 3.5% debt expects to achieve a real return of 2.9%. Do you think that inflation is running at .06%. It is clear from what you write is that you haven't read it. Where do you get 40 years? Even with dubious assumptions, the SSA projects that it will be exhausted in 26 years. From what you write, it isn't even apparent that you know how the system is funded. EDUCATE ME, but first revisit your math facts.
joetheeconomist 8 months ago
I don't like Social Security either. But before you eliminate it make sure I get every penny back I paid into it.
AmericanMale1953 1 year ago
Those old farts are luck to have any SS at all! When we (republicans) win the majority we're cutting them off! They're too much of a fiscal burden!
TheKmbt 1 year ago
@TheKmbt If its the FASCIST way, it's also the NAZ...uh..GOP way.
lennhart 1 year ago 2
SS is 100% invested in government bonds, that will become worthless in a few years, but in order to understand why you need a brain. SS payments will become worthless, we will not run out of nominal dollars for payments. Not before we cut the last tree, anyway :)
ravaneli55 1 year ago
@ravaneli55 Wall Street was worthless FIRST and had to be BAILED OUT! Now --Wall STREET wants YOUR money for keeps. They will invest it offshore and speculate with it. Read the Trustees Report: SS is solvent for another 40 years if NOTHING is done. Secondly, if the the nation goes broke in the meantime, it will be because the GOP/RIGHT WING axis will have FUCKED again as it during the the Reagan DEPRESSION of some 2 years, the deepest and worst since Hoover!
lennhart 1 year ago 10
@ravaneli55 They will become worthless if the GOP retains power. Since WWII, budget deficits have been worse under GOP regimes. The most EGREGIOUS offenders were Ronald Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr. Moreover, the U.S. dollar has lost value since Richard Nixon. Thanks to GOP economic incompetence, the dollar is essentially WORTHLESS were it not propped up by China. China, gets it all back, however, by DUMPING ITS CRAP on us at Wal-Mart. Check the CIA's World Fact Book Current Acct Balance.
lennhart 1 year ago 4
The CIA World Fact Book lists the U.S. with the world's largest NEGATIVE Current Acct Balance, formerly called the 'balance of trade deifict'. China is on top with the World's largest POSITIVE CURRENT ACCOUNT balance. That's because they produce and export and we do not. Our slide into DEAD LAST began with Nixon's trip to China in the 70s, a deal that was set up by Bush Sr, V.P. at the time. BRIEFLY --the GOP has betrayed America and, more precisely, anyone who works for a living.
lennhart 1 year ago 7
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@lennhart (from my channel because you're a big pussy who tried to block me. Oh yeah. I feel so blocked.)
Now you pay attention, lenntard, you stupid piece of shit! You're of no authority to label free speech, good or bad. It just IS! It's righteous virtue is derived from the very FACT that it continues to exist DESPITE how injured yours or anyone else's delicate sensibilities may be!
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
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lennhart 1 year ago
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@lennhart Of course, we all have a right to life, liberty, and property, none of which supersedes the other. It's your channel to block me if you want, but it only shows me what a pussy you are.
Besides, your definition of bullshit is nothing but bullshit itself, so why waste time trying to justify yourself?
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
@ravaneli55 Read the TRUSTEES REPORT...they disagree with you and cite the facts. Not Billo. According SS Trustees who cite the official stats, SS is SOLVENT for at least another 40 years if NOTHING is done. Privatizing SS is a BIG BANKSTERS WE DREAM. For them --it's FREE MONEY with which they will speculate and invest OFFSHORE where it does NO AMERICAN any good whatsoever! The GOP is the PARTY of KISS UPS to the BIG BANKSTERS on Wall Street.
lennhart 1 year ago
Hey Joe....If you don't want your Social Security check you can sign it over to me. I'll be more than happy to receive another check.
TheFrogger15 1 year ago 3
I think Joe the Plumber is a joke persoanlly
sniffy45 1 year ago 2
haha he looks like a Conehead!!!
kewandnotu 1 year ago 4
MORE TRUTH to counter the utter FUCKIN BULLSHIT that wingnuts have been posting here. Acc to the Anenburg foundation citing GOVT figures: Clinton admin passed a tax increase which the GOP lied about, claimed it was the largest in history. ANOTHER RIGHT WING NUT LIE! In fact, "It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers." It fact, it was the most equitable tax since Reagan/Bush gave the ULTRA WEALTHY a free ride and transferred the nation's wealth upward to the TOP 10 or 20 percent
lennhart 1 year ago 3
@lennhart Hey there, li'l wimpling! Thanks for proving me stronger by blocking me! Ha ha ha! Pussy!
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
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@QuartuvLarry I blocked your sorry ass because you have nothing worthwhile to say or add. Fuck you and fuck off, you moron.
lennhart 1 year ago
@lennhart No, you actually blocked me because you're just another leftarded pussy getting too easily pwned by the FACTS I'm presenting
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
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@QuartuvLarry I don't have time for IDIOTS.
lennhart 1 year ago
I quoted BOTH CBO and SS TRUSTEES report. Both confirmed precisely what I said: SS is solvent and will remain so for quite some time. The right indulges another scare tactic in order to get YOUR money and give to big banks. They will try to control the markets with the additional leverage. They will SHORT SELL your retirement and enrich themselves even as they plunge the nation into another 'panic'. If the BANKSTERS continue this behavior they should be NATIONALIZED.
lennhart 1 year ago 2
According to the CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE, the Clinton administration not only BALANCED the federal budget, it ERASED the federal deficit. That is true whether you count SS or not! SRC: cONGRESSIONAL BUDGERT OFFICE. .
lennhart 1 year ago 2
That should read, of course, CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE Another bald-faced right wing lie --originating from LARD ASS LIMBUAGH -- bites the dust. Honestly, Limbaugh is not just professional goddamned liar, he is certifiably insane and should be put away.
lennhart 1 year ago 2
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The MYTH that there was NO Clinton surplus is another LIE started by a man who has NEVER told the truth --RUSH LIMBAUGH. Who else? LOL LOL The FACTS are that during Clinton the federal budget balanced and the BUSH DEFICIT ERASED! That is true whether you count SS or not. SOURCE. Congressional Budget Office
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@lennhart Clinton is also the reason our unemployment is through the roof, with his NAFTA bill, and now even more people rely on the government breast to sustain themselves. Surplus was very short-term, due to huge profits made from sending our jobs overseas. You need to look at the big picture: the long-term economic suffering that came from his short-term "surplus".
TheFathersAdvocate 1 year ago
@lennhart btw what are the obama job growth rates?
CobraStyleDevil 1 year ago
@lennhart
you're an idiot.
TimeWarp66 11 months ago
The GOP has NOTHING in their bag O tricks but to call those who prove them wrong 'retards'. The GOP is a party of psychopaths. Scientific studies have been done of them. Bush Sr told Sarah McClendon, Dec 1992, "If the people knew what we had done, they would ... lynch us." Bush is reported to have participated in parties where child prostitutes were sodomized, abused. His statement to McClendon should be taken seriously." Psychopaths know they are different and learn to MIMIC normalcy.
lennhart 1 year ago
The ONLY danger I see to SS is that the GOP will steal future elections, repeal the BILL OF RIGHTS and extend in perpetuity Bush's suspension of Habeas Corpus. Flush with what ONLY GOPPERS would call success, they will presume to FIX what is not broken. They will LOOT SS as they cut taxes for top 1 percent which owns more than the rest of us combined. This is a LAUNDERED way in which just 1 percent of the nation will have further enriched itself with the retirements of working class America.
lennhart 1 year ago 4
In fact, SS has been such a rousing success that the govt should take care to keep it solvent.Such a success IS SS that instead of plotting to ENRICH banksters with it, a PRUDENT government would put forward responsible measures to ensure it continued success beyond 40 or 50 years. No OTHER govt program can claim to be sound for a period 40 or 50 years, NO other program turns a surplus.
lennhart 1 year ago 4
"CBO’s projections indicate that future Social Security beneficiaries will receive larger benefits in retirement—and will have paid higher payroll taxes—than current beneficiaries do, even after adjustments have been made for inflation and even if the scheduled payments are reduced because the trust funds are exhausted. ...CBO estimates that under both scenarios, those benefits will represent a smaller percentage of beneficiaries’ preretirement earnings than is the case now." CRISIS? NOT!
lennhart 1 year ago 3
From the trustees report: "The annual cost of Social Security benefits represented 4.8 percent of GDP in 2009 and is projected to increase gradually to 6.1 percent of GDP in 2035 and then decline to about 5.9 percent of GDP by 2050 and remain at about that level." I am ---like ---SO SCARED! This is hardly confirmation of JOE. In fact, it DISPROVES the scare tactics and lies that are spread by a party of goddamned liars.
lennhart 1 year ago 3
Again --the issue here is JOE. He has proven himself an idiot. And SS is NOT a joke! It is only attacked because it can be traced back to FDR who is HATED by the teeth gnashers in the GOP not because he was a failure but because, like Clinton, he was a HUGE success. The GOP is party of goddamned liars, psychopaths, traitors, and fucking liars. I have NEVER caught a gopper telling the truth except by accident. So --you shills --stick that up your ass!
lennhart 1 year ago 3
Again --according to the trustees report, SS is solvent AT LEAST through the next 40 years or more. See the new vid on YouTube: INSIDE JOB: How the Banksters HEISTED America's Wealth! Not content to have already fucked us over, the BANKSTER now what to steal our money. If you think that is cook, then WRITE Chase out a check for the balance in your bank acct. If you think this is call, cool then PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Send the big bankster YOUR money directly and cut out the middle man.
lennhart 1 year ago 3
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lennhart 1 year ago
Again ---acc to the trustees report, SS is solvent for at least another 40 years. That disproves everything said by the GOP, especially IDIOTS like JOE the Plumber. There is NO CRISIS except the THREAT posed to SS by the right wing. SS is NOT a joke. It is --in fact --the ONLY government program that has done precisely what it was designed to do. It is HATED by the right wing because 1) FDR admin came up with it 2) they COVET that money and want to give it the big banksters to SPECULATE with.
lennhart 1 year ago 3
Again --for those not paying attention. I have read the trustees report. SS is solvent at least for another 40 years if nothing is done. GOP admins --ReaganBushBush primarily --raid SS to balance current accounts; those admins BOAST the highest DEBTS and DEFICITS. Clinton --significantly --returned a SURPLUS. And for awhile SS was safe. There is nothing wrong with SS but the VENAL LYING BASTARDS in the GOP who COVET those funds and wish to enrich BIG BANKERS with them.
lennhart 1 year ago 5
@lennhart LMAO! Oho my God! I thought I just TAUGHT you that there was no Clinton surplus! What did you do every time you got a D in school? Scream and cry until someone gave you a lolly?
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
@QuartuvLarry you indulge delusions of grandeur. there is NOTHING that an idiot like you can teach anyone. And YES ---there WAS a Clinton surplus. I have cited the govt's own stats to prove that AND the fact that ANY DEMOCRATIC prez has presided over greater GDP and JOB GROWTH than any gopp prez. since WWII. Fact it --the GOP is not a political party; it is a kooky cult and a crime syndicate. LOSERS!
lennhart 1 year ago 4
@lennhart Actually, I TRIED to teach you, but turd-gobbling RETARDS like you find it too inconvenient to learn. I even instructed your dumbass to look it up on the Dept of Treasury's website. Or do you need hand puppets to show you the way? Hmm? OH! ANd how is the GDP and job growth coming along under THIS democrat president? Hmm? Or is it more your patriotic duty to be STUPID for Obama?
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
@QuartuvLarry You have NOTHING to teach anyone. You never even came close to refuting or EVEN ADDRESSING a single issue I bourght up. You are delusional I quoted excepts from the trustees report and it confirms precisely what I said: SS is solvent and will remain so for quite some time; 2) IN ANY CASE --turning it over to SPECULATORS is NUTS. Get a life.
lennhart 1 year ago 3
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@lennhart Yes I did. In fact, I not only refuted, but utterly DESTROYED your Clinton surplus myth, dumbass! That was SUPPOSED to be lesson #1! But apparently, you are too contemptibly stupid in your worship of Obastard and his ilk to even learn that one simple lesson I taught you! Know when you're wrong, debate-team drop-out, because you are nothing BUT wrongness here!
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
@QuartuvLarry You're deusional. the Clinton surplus was real and so are his JOB CREATION numbers. That more people were working means more revenues and, as the official stats also prove, great GDP growth. See the Bureau of Labor Stats, U.S. Commerce Dept-B.E.A. and the U.S. Census Bureau: Clinton was among the best PREZZES since World War II in those categories. Every DEM beats EVERY gop since WWII.
lennhart 1 year ago 2
@lennhart AWW! The complete and utter dumbshit comes back to spray more stupid all over the place after I taught its stupid ass that there WAS NO SURPLUS! Do I have to repeat myself? Why can't your very UNscientific mind go look at the SOURCE, instead of all the beat-around-duh-bush departments? That's right, I'm talking about the Treasury Department! Only the PUBLIC debt was down. The INTRAGOVERNMENTAL DEBT was increased because Clintoon "borrowed" from Social Security!
DURPTEE-DURR, DUMBSHIT!
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
I talk about Reagan because Reagan is the SPECIMEN by which every other GOP result may be compared and measured. Facts are facts. EVERY Dem has presided over greater GDP growth and job growth than ANY GOP President since World War Two. I have repeatedly posted the official stats from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Commerce Dept-BEA, and the U.S. Census Bureau. These are the official numbers that are referenced and cited by every real economist in the U.S.
lennhart 1 year ago 4
If you want confirmation that Reagan doubled the federal bureaucracy and tripled the national deficit, check the OFFICIAL FIGURES at the C.B.O. --the Congressional Budget Office. But you can find confirmation at any number of official sources. It's a matter of public record.
lennhart 1 year ago
@lennhart Ha ha ha! Why are you talking about Reagan, you silly, silly bitch? Did I bring him up? Noooo, no I didn't! LMAO! You STILL seem unable to address Obongo's $4.4 trillion spending spree! We're not talking about Bush, nor are we talking about the arbitrary non-union control of Texas. Maybe you should stay on topic to avoid further embarrassment, mmkay?
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
@QuartuvLarry Have you never heard of the word 'EXAMPLE'? I am talking about Reagan because the GOP faithful thought Reagan would finish off SS. Reagan routine raided SS. 2) Reaganomics typifies GOP supply-side economics which has NEVER worked. If you believe it did, PROVE IT! The Reagan admin proves that it is all bullshit and does not and has never worked. Reagan is the specimen, the evidence that proves GOP bullshit is bullshit and has never, ever worked.
lennhart 1 year ago 3
@lennhart BTW --check the Bureau of Labor Stats, the U.S. Commerce Department -BEA and the Census Bureau. Reagan is among two GOP Prezzes at the very bottom of the list with the two WORST job creation records. The other dip shit listed is Bush Sr. The top slots are all Democrats. Jimmy Carter, for example, is second in over all job creation since WWII. Clinton will mop up the floor with Bush Jr whose economic performance may yet prove to have been worse than that of Reagan.
lennhart 1 year ago 2
@lennhart You know, bringing up "job creation" is about as useful information as looking at my shit to recall what I had for dinner. A job is worthless if it generates no return.
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago