StarCraft 2 KHB (Z) vs TeamEG (T) on Steppes of War Part 3

[dkt80]

Very good play from the Zerg, but I thought he did throw away a number of brood lords unnecessarily. The lesson is, Zerg players who don't use infestors only have half an army.

[Morehmat]

why don't more people use brood lords? apparently they rock

[xiang990]

insane KHB! like his Zerg play.

[ajko000]

would playing this with a 2.4 processor matter? i know the minimum is 2.6, but would 2 points make a big dif?

[jit0619]

is KHB korean or ?

[Sleyer07]

That was so impressive I think I came alittle

[coolcool1994]

Great shoutcast by Crota!

[thegoddescomposer]

omg zerg is so overpowered

[kevinegp]

crota youre the best, the best game ive seen

[alownage]

This is definitely one of your best casts

GJ

[flapplewapple]

Why did they take out lettting infestors take control of air units? Its not even cheap. Its hard to take control of units, but KHB made it look real easy.

[sugokuuuuu]

@flapplewapple because everytime the zerg seem to have the edge, the ability has to be toned down so they cant match the protoss mother ship or other super units.

[flapplewapple]

@sugokuuuuu

Well now with this new update, zerg and toss are shit and Terran is gonna rape.

[xitup1]

holy shit.....I've watched like 30 of Crota's replays up until now..this was by far the best....what an epic battle!!

[sirbibo]

EMP on infestors please?

[Xyonon]

lol try to build ghosts while you're unter perma attack >_>

[Hatchatfatbat]

WOW infestors could mind control a high templar and make it psi-storm its own units. Then fungal growth so that the enemy forces cant flee out of the storm!

[luggeee]

no ghost ---> big mistake

[tomanaki]

why always ends before the total anihilation? The best part when you destroy all of his buildings :P

[Toastrecon1]

I think I would have liked to see more use of infested terran to counter the vikings, but perhaps the neural parasite was more effective per energy than I think.

I'd like to see how this game would have turned out post-patch with indefinite duration on neural parasite but with nerfed infestor health, burrowed speed, and range.

GG, and I'd like to see the knew role of the infestor with the tweaks in mind.

[NessusHindmost]

The inf terrans are not very good, to be honest. Very little damage and health.

[700007123]

@NessusHindmost Infested terrans are as good as marines.

[Xyonon]

but they're free -> they're better than normal marines and if they even kill one marine, they deales 50 mins damage, but if they get killed you lost nothing.

[SeriousPieEnthusiast]

"sitting on a 3000 army food" 3:57 lol

[BahamutBlueDragon]

Lol what are you complaining about ?

Crota comments and uploads replays for you, you just have to watch easy on your chair while he had spend time for you

Talk about useless kids never pleased

[PetetheCanuck]

wow great game and great shoutcast thanks mate!!

Loved seeing those Infestors in action!

[DeathIIV]

YES I LOVE ZERG!!! this is the only match where ive seen A. infestors beeing used B. corruptors being used effeciently and C. Broodlords :D thanks for uploading :)

[ricefarmer]

this is the most epic match so far, i want a rematch between cowgomoo and khb

cowgomoo seems unstopable

[RyokenMK]

Crota, try to use a little more precision in your language. You tend to use the wrong words to describe things, just keep it simple. We're humble starcraft players you don't have to use big words. Also, you say a lot of useless things like 'are in fact' and in this commentary you say 'spawning infested terrans all across the map', no he's not, he's putting down 15 or so in this localized area. Just stop saying meaningless things and using words in the wrong places! Would make it easier to listen

[GesuSpakka]

infestors and broodlord ftw lol

[leb001]

Is not that Zergs are imba. Its just that he was using high tech casters in a nice way while TeamEG went to raw power units (thors)...when your enemy can control your units. that is a pretty retarded thing to do.

Pretty good play from the KHB

[theend0101]

damm gungal seems like the best ability as of now way better than py. storm

[btnheazy03]

he should have massed roaches instead of lings. that's why it took longer for the zerg to get the W.

[brahmdeep121]

Nice commentary.

[halowaffles]

Very good game

[sppd100]

The planetary fortress can't kill air right?

[btnheazy03]

ground only

[bbestar]

lol by the time the real game is in our hands, we'll all be pros, thanks to Crota.. xD

It seems like having High Templars, or Ghosts is a MUST in a Protoss or Terran army now. Even seen several times how just having these units make the difference in a game!

[RockieOllie]

those infestors are overkill on terrans

[gregjs81]

nah that's what a caster army can do to you if you clump your units up...TeamEG should have continued to push earlier...great play on both ends tho...awesome game

[dustdust7]

2 Base Zerg > 3 Base Terran :/

[LucLeFou]

wrong, they were both on 2,

maybe 3 bases, but only 2 active

[Urza26]

I'm extremely tempted to say: "Rolly Polly owns your ***"... haha. Interesting game from both sides. KHB does seem to have a weakness against hellions right after expansion in the games I've seen...

But that Infestor fungal growth and neural parasite looks like a lot of fun. I didn't realize that fungal growth affects air units too (it does right?) which I never thought of. Anyway, gg.

[michaelcychan]

Awesome match, and I like your commentary.

[triazotan]

When theres a "rare" unit (i.e. infestors) it would be nice if you'd done a closeup to show some graphic detail. I've seen probably ~50 replays already and it's the first time i actually saw infestor, not even mentioning the brilliant usage.

[TheNewAlias]

god TeamEG has some terrible macro and smarts

[azntakeaway]

Thats was fucking awesome.

[commandervulkan]

:3 Infesters are soooo cute

[BowKill]

Crota, you point out a lot of good information but at the same time you saturate it with useless information. I know you shoutcasters seem to think I want to hear a wall of sound from your voice "to keep me interested in the game" but you're so very terribly wrong. Useful information only. We do have eyes you know.

[arkaridge]

Wow.. one of the best SC2 games i've seen so far. The infestors seem really powerful in mass numbers, even if EMP'd it'd only take ~25sec's until they'll be able to cast infested terrans. And that's assuming the ghost survives from all the neural parasite'ing and fungal growth. =='

[crutex]

zerg so op -_-

[Hatchatfatbat]

Can u ppl stop whining that everything is OP. Anyways infestors look awesome. Zergs high templar :D

[endervideos]

he needed ghosts for emp

[genericusername562]

That ending was the coolest ending I've ever seen. Though, I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out counters to those infestors, for protoss. Terran can just EMP, but I don't know what protoss is gonna do.

They can move out of a psy storm, and it isn't a newb friendly ability anyways. Especially when compared to EMP and fungal growth. If stalkers can blink while snared, that would probably be a viable counter.

[genericusername562]

@Myself

I think I kinda forgot about the other abilities. They can spew out several infested terrans and fungal spore you, which will be a pain in the ass. If you don't outnumber the infestors, they'll just mind control most of your army and make them kill each other.

Infestors with all of their abilities, seem like a big issue for protoss.

[PrimeBrawler]

Protoss have a new counter against them: Feedback. High Templar received this ability in the latest patch and it replaced the former Phase Shift. Feedback destroys all the energy the unit has and also deals the same amount of damage to it's health.

[genericusername562]

@PrimeBrawler

For some reason I was thinking they got hallucination instead(I'm crazy, aren't I?). Despite the fact I've actually read the patch notes. Not sure why I thought it was hallucination.

If you don't have enough energy and HTs, you could be in big trouble. EMP is still a lot more effective, because its AoE. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't.

[PrimeBrawler]

Sentry has Hallucination, researched at Cybernetics Core.

It's true that Ghost and HT kinda counter each other, Ghost can kill HT with one Snipe Round and HT can kill Ghost with one Feedback. It comes down to micro.

[1atinboy]

this shoutcast was the most entertaining shoutcast sinds the beta opened.. great cast Crota.

Hope to see many of games of this lvl of play in the future... thanks !

[hurlman03]

Great shoutcast Crota.

[flashwaver]

The terran player scanned zerg's base and saw a big group of infestors. If he could get one (cloaked ghost perhaps) EMP shot on to those infestors during the initial fight then it would of been an instant GG

[etween23]

wow great game

[amazingdany]

Very very good game.

This one proves that infestors do not blow.

[Vesyl4ever]

@bbestar i think you have it right on, most of us see infestors as a nuisance but not a threat, and with all the hype about roaches and hydras, no one would have seen this coming, when i saw the infestors i was like o wow, thats interesting... but i guess thats y these guys are pro and know exactly what they are doing. that attack between the 40 rines and 4 thors vs almost all infestors was to me quite an eyeopener, next time i see mass infestors, im getting cloaked ghosts

[c2thew]

i wonder why zerg didn't mind control the viking, tell it to land, and then have the brood lords kill the grounded viking? that would have saved ALL of his broodlords.

[Coolaguy]

Ridiculous game :) It's hard for me to imagine what Terran could have done towards the end (in terms of unit combinations) besides Ghost EMP and/or more Vikings (+ plus Ravens). I wonder if Ghosts' EMP could hold off the infestors long enough to protect a Battlecruiser fleet..

[geauxfan70]

love the shoutcasts crota keep it up man, this was an awesome game, its the first time I've seen infestors used

[aolszowka]

Agreed best game I've seen played to date, great casting!

[YouGodma]

One of the best games thus far.

[zaphodbrx99]

YAY a zerg game without hydralisk/roach spamwar

[Dahaqaa]

WOW this was awesome game, thanks for uploading this.

[keserak]

Stims without medivac? Marines against Brood Lords? Marines against FungalG (guaranteed Marine kill)?! Terran built the _worst_ units possible at all times. If he had gone Reapers after the inital fight he could have killed drones and won. If he had built Vikings when Zerg had 3 mutas he could have killed overlords and won. He could have built ghosts to EMP the infestors -- hell, he couldve nuked since Zerg never built any detectors. Infestors werent the problem: that Terran was playing drunk.

[aclock2]

Under the constant attack and the lack of resources, Terran player has no choice but to build cheap Marines. If he built Ghost, he would have no gas to build Viking since 1 ghost cost 200 gas and he will get raped by an army of Brood Lords. Also, it only take the Zerg about 1 minutes to build detector from those OverLord to deal with cloack and parasite will destroy any nuke attempts. Please don't make sound like you are plantinum level player cause I think you are an idiot

[MultiStreamline]

Haha, you are a philosopher and you are on Crota's side

[keserak]

Your insecurity ("platinum player") is sad.

Terran had more resources than Zerg most of the match due to successfully slaughtering Zerg's drones. You either didn't watch the match or were so emasculated by my post that you ignored the facts.

Terran chose to build Thors and Marines BEFORE Zerg attacked. Terran expanded only once. It takes a minute to build a Detector but LESS than a minute to drop a nuke.

I'd agree that there is an idiot in this conversation.

[aclock2]

Sorry, for my poor concentration, but after watching it carefully, Terran still heavily lack resources, the only difference is they lack mineral instead of gas as I expected due to the high production of marine and Viking. Still, nuking might be able to work once but it won't change much except interrupt Zerg mining process in 1 base for 10 seconds and costs Terran 350 minerals and 450 gas (for the Ghost, the cloak and the nuke). Simply not worth time and resource. Sorry, you are still an idiot

[keserak]

You're proposing using Nuke on the enemy and NOT considering hitting the enemy army? So you expect Terran to nuke a base and not follow up with a simultaneous attack? Your stupidity knows no bounds. Nuke doesn't just hurt drones. I do like how you admit you weren't paying attention in the first place -- so you didn't know what was going on, but you stand by your fact-free commentary. Brilliant.

[aclock2]

Fool,KHB have only two bases, so there is possibility for Terran to kill few units by nuke, but to kill entire battalion is impossible especially after Zerg has detector, he can just parasite the Ghost when he is nuking and done. Also, after the first nuke, the Ghost Academy will be Zerg high priority target, do you think Terran can safely build another nuke when he don't even have unit to protect his main base? I wasn't paying attention for the resources not the game, Mr smart like an ass.

[keserak]

@aclock2

"After Zerg has detector" -- Zerg didn't have detectors. That's the point. The stupidity here is incredible. And Terran should have attacked before Infestors came out -- that was pointed out by others. And who cares if the Academy is a "high-priority target" since Zerg lacked the strength to attack Terran until Terran built all the wrong units AND let Zerg recover. The idiocy here is sad. And that last sentence was gibberish.

[aclock2]

It seems like you didn't read my previous debate , it was not a comment but a reply for a fool who think Terran should go nuke instead of building army to protect his main base. Don't open your mounth if you have no idea what others are talking about.

[keserak]

Terran wasted resources on turrets that could have been an additional expansion and/or a larger army. Fail to miss that and you'll erroneously conclude that Terran had no options when, in fact, Terran _wasted_ more resources than Zerg lost due to Terran's own attacks.

[aclock2]

I never ever concluded that Terran has no option left. Where did you find that from ? Terran wouldn't have to build another expansion since he could simply seak his first CC out but he didn't do that ( probaly have no time to think ). Also, Turrets are not entirely waste since they was able to kill some Corruptors that obviously cost more, and prevent them from flying around corrupting too much.

[Xyonon]

if he didnt builded the turrents, i as zerg just had to produce a critical mass of mutas and rape him with them ;)

[xSoYcDx]

one of the most epic sc2 games ive ever seen

[somelink24]

This is the best SC2 game I've seen so far dam!

[crazyhi5]

this is so one sided even with tanks he cannot counter the ari units

[Dawhitephilipino]

WOW this really shows how powerful infesters are.

[bbestar]

Good game, but I have to say on the terrans made the mistake of not making seige tanks.

With a line of tanks, detection and with other unit support, there would be no way those infestors to get so close to caste their abilities.

But then again most of us including teamEG hasn't really seen infestors in action, so lesson learn.

[Dawhitephilipino]

zerg player would have just mind controlled the siege tanks and just demolish the terran's own army with them. that's probably why he didn't make siege tanks.

[aclock2]

But who will deal with Brood Lords when Siege Tank show off its power ?. Building Siege Tank means reduce Vikings cause boths cost a lot gas.

[Cursesxx]

Great game

[DyingElement]

.........fuck infestors....

thnx for the epic game

[nicoelson]

that was a battle!

[adeadlysniper]

Amazing. Probably the most awesome SC2 battle i've seen to date.

[Tradethinker]

Man TeamEG blew it. Got way too cocky and stopped putting pressure on KHB. He failed and he sucks.

[moviemaster2010]

no irradiate makes me a sad terran

[MultiStreamline]

KHB's an eye-opener

[ChronoImp]

I love the long battles

[funkyx0x0]

nice game, thank you for uploading. by the way, go get some sleep, you sound exhausted :D

[dayflynn]

nice game thanks a lot, never saw such use of infestors, creative. zerg game without any roaches and hydralisks. good stuff.

[ofverholm1]

epic attacks

[spiritzshuuriken]

best game i've seen so far!

[nathones]

how much regen do infestors have? they were spamming like crazy

[Fuice1]

intense

[Rosstacular]

most exciting game ive seen so far!

[npxs]

wow, that was an awesome game!

[Unenthusiasticly]

KHB is my hero.

[thedarkone123123]

Mind control tongue should be permanent with mana drain on the infestor. I, too, would like to see more maps that the terran can't block with 2 bunkers/racks.

[jeajea]

i bet there will be more zerg players using infestors now!

[PunchRockGroin]

Awesome!

[ricefarmer]

dam that was amazing... saw some new stuff finally.. my fav match up too tvz

it be cool if someone put tumors all over the map where they control like 70% with creep

[Laotze89]

E P I C!

[FuckImperialism]

KHB is actually scary with Zerg...

[IxChAoZxI]

i cant believe that like 7 infestors and 3 brood lords took out an entire terran army....infesters seem kinda op with all of those abilities aling with its ability to move while burrowed....just a few cripple an entire army....a queen and defiler all in 1

[rawtheory333]

Just one or two Ghosts EMP would have turned the whole game around.

[ricefarmer]

emp stands for electronic magnetic pulse.. dumb ass it wont work on bio its for robots

[rawtheory333]

Hey,.... asshole, EMP drains spellcasting ability,......you flaming dickhead.

[ricefarmer]

he aint fighting protoss theres no shields stupid fuck

[aznfootwork]

lul @ ricefarmer.

you can EMP zerg and drain mana. nub. doesn't matter if there aren't shields. mana = energy. so EMP works.

however, the infester can just use the plague ability and kill the ghost that way. it'd be a hard battle

[UnkleTony]

The infestor can also use the neural parasite ability on the ghost and have it cast EMP to waste its own energy. Infestors are insane.

[Hatchatfatbat]

Idiot it drains all energy on starcraft. God u know NOTHING!

[Slanderbot]

psionic power is based on the manipulation of electromagnetic fields, so an EMP would very much affect it.

[vanillacrem3]

7 infestors + 3 brood lords = 1600 min/1800 gas worth of high tech, micro-intensive units. Would it be more believable if was 3 battlecrusiers and 4 ravens instead?

[nickchi1]

Amazing Zerg gameplay, one of the best!!! ^_^

[delirium1326]

Best SC2 game Ive seen so far! I love KHB xD

[khizr911]

tht was REAL AWSOME .. ultras + battles wud pwn he shud hav made bc instead of thor

[thekatrinacrew]

good to see some new zerg units that are not used a lot.

[dubaipete]

awesome!

[MrInocence]

oh my god the most zerg-like game ive ever seen.

[zoitsudo]

:D we want more KHB vs CowGoMoo!! :D they are awesome!!

[xc041293]

EPIC GAME!!!

[Zoak16]

epic epic epic stuff

[clearout1234]

Man epic play by KHB

[ifgodwasaplayer]

great game!!

[udezevlag]

well thors and bcs would be mind controlled, he need ghost emp asap, and maybe ravens with mana an hunter seeker missile, otherwise terran is toasted

[xAzevinx]

The Terran player needed 1 Ghost to EMP all of the Infestors to turn the game around. Unfortunately, you don't see many Terrans build Ghost Academies against Zerg as the Infestor isn't usually a common unit.

[Niko988]

The infested marines look crazy.

Greatest came so far, so much action and close spots. Keep em coming.

[TRiPgod]

Greatest zerg game I've seen so far !!

[DontFearGrim]

KHB - great micro

[Gamewizja]

Definitely one of the most entertaining matches I have yet seen. Great use of micro and unit diversity from KHB (Zerg).

[zelenkooo]

never seen game like this ! hell great !

[peterbundy84]

this was an epic battle

[raven639]

Very entertaining match by both players; hats off to them on that one. Good job on the commentary as well crota; love watching your vids:P

[raydayrayday]

If teamEG would throw down some ghosts he would win an easy win

[jediken]

teamEG would have had that game in the first attack if he moved his helions to attack the other bases drones as well. khb would have never kept up and would have been steam rolled. instead he attacked buildings?

[superarbol]

infestor is very very nice!111111

[abcz98]

zerg needs fixing same with protoss

[folkloricodj]

i don't like that infestors plague like ability killing the units. Its should just leave the unit at 1 hp like in sc1

[inhuman216]

that game was crazy hahaha. I wonder how much headache the terran was getting

[bitterjack]

wow wtf... what a great game.

[Kyodaikuma]

Ghosts>Infestors :)

[SantoS7D]

good game!

[jimboybaboy]

I cant believe KHB managed to win. That was a brutal brutal war

[slaggamuffin]

KHB should have brought his spine crawlers up imo we would have won in the inital attack

[jediken]

nah helions move too fast and with that igniter kill drones too fast. if teameg was good he would just run away to the other base as the crawlers showed up or attack the crawlers while they were moving/burrowing and left once they burrowed

[rawtheory333]

KHB could have choked his ramp with spine crawlers to prevent the hellions from invading his base.

[thedarkone123123]

The infestor tongue control thingy would be easier to use and make more sense if it was permanent while draining mana from the infestor.

[RMZ1989]

Wait permanent and draining mana? So when Infestor doesn't have mana anymore, it just end? This way, it is balanced and leaves room for another infestor abilities.

[SLASH91285]

Great battle!

[GizmoMk1]

That was a great match to watch. Some good play by both sides.

[hermiesaddlewhack]

Those infesters remind me of the brainbugs from Starship Troopers

[marius87krash]

Hey Crota! Could you please tell me what software you use to make your videos. Thanks a bunch.