In the Nc4 variation, i understand why white can't take the knight, but it seems as if the knight isn't very useful at c4 either. Can black win eventually in that variation if bxc4 wasn't played?
3) YOU GO BACK in you analisis thinking "hm.. maybe I can block this annoing a-pawn to play my knight-maneuver under better circumstances" and then you start calculating again... and in this case very very deeply
p.s.: thinking backwards meens 1) you identify the week point 2) you calculate Ne8-d6-b5-c3 .. then you realise that that the king doesn't have to go to protect a2 directly because if the white king stands on d3 then Nc3 could be answered by a4 - afterwards the white bishop could be transfered on the diagonal g8-c4 and white would have a fortress
According to Silman, that BIshop is an active bishop - a bad bishop thats still doing something. Not that it really matters in this endgame - because as Silman says: An active bishop is only good if it can work togehter with your other pieces. But I thought its a good term to know Majnu!
The term "thinking backwards" is so strange to me, it doesn't seem to make logical sense. If you picture the ideal position in your mind, and then look to see how you can achieve that goal through moves, surely this is thinking forwards lol. Like in life, when you plan how to achieve your goals, you don't start by looking at your death bed and picture what came before it lol. I know Kasparov used the term in books, but I think it's an odd way to describe picturing ideal positions.
well if you put in in those terms " looking at your death" then that would be comparable to winning or losing the game (too far ahead), more appropriately they are like decisions in your life. an example if i want to become an engineer now i have to trail back to where i am (thinking backwards) and see how i can reach that goal according to where i am (pieces are) move by move (decision by decision) until i have gotten where i want to be. Its also referred to as reverse thinking.
Thankyou for taking time to respond, much appreciated. When I use your example of wanting to be an engineer, assuming I have no experience in that field, my thoughts would be: 1. locate a college with the appropriate course 2. enrole on course 3. complete course's and pass of course 4. Search for jobs. The only way I understand thinking backwards here is by recongnising that I had no previous experience or Knowledge of engineering before I decided on my new goal. Still hard for me to grasp lol.
AN example of thinking backwards for me: I see the weak pawn on a2, which means its attacked by my knight if it were on c3. and then i see this: a2 - c3 - b5 - d6 - e8 - f6
Yes thanks that makes alot of sense, I am just new to the phrase so was a little confused. I think I would usually see the a2 weakness and work forwards with f6-e8-d6-b5-c3-a2 but I can certainly understand why some would work backwards like your example. Maybe it's just a matter of personal style rather than one single correct way of calculating.
In that case black wins with Kxe4. After white promotes black gives a check with queen and trades queens. The pawn endgame that remains is won for black.
I don't consider that thinking backwards. Thinking backwards is taking a step forward in the wrong direction, or walking around aimlessly.. but yeah, i know what you mean, and this is pretty much just arguing over 'semantics'.
Couldn't White have drawn with 4.Be6 instead of 4. Kc4?
The500Silver 5 months ago
Love Fischer's Endgames!
Ellechess 6 months ago
what would happen at 8:40 if white plays Bxe4, Nxe4. Kxh6. I know he is a bishop down but the h-pawn isn't that easy to stop for the Knight.
serrie85 1 year ago
As a beginning chess player, this is something that I have trouble with. This video was very helpful and instructive.
greatsauces 3 years ago
Best instructive video I've seen so far. Thank you!
killerstiff 3 years ago
In the Nc4 variation, i understand why white can't take the knight, but it seems as if the knight isn't very useful at c4 either. Can black win eventually in that variation if bxc4 wasn't played?
jackywong 3 years ago
great video majnu2006...can you make a vid in how to train with fritz 10 i just git it.please
moponyo 3 years ago
With perfect play on both sides, I believe it should be a draw. You simply dont take the a pawn eg 1... Kb5 2. Be6 , a4 3. Kd3
, a3 4. Bf5 , Kc5 5. Ke3 , Ne8 6.
Bd7 , Nd6 7. Ba4 , Kb6 8. Kd3 ,
Ka5 1/2-1/2
BasicPawn 3 years ago
i think u are right if bd7 is played earlier then it can get on the f1-a6 diagnol or d1-a4 prevents Nc4 and b3
djcripsalot 2 years ago
Could Black not play Nf6-e8-d6-b5-c3-a2? I don't see how white could use his bishop to defend the pawn there.
alexholowczak 3 years ago
Have you looked at Bd7 when the Knight arrives at d6?
Majnu2006 3 years ago
Hmmm, I missed that. Thanks! :-)
alexholowczak 3 years ago
Another defensive try white has in this plan is to meet ...Nb5 with Kd3 then if ...Nc3 then a3! This is why Fuscher wants to play a4-a3 first.
Toxie207 3 years ago
3) YOU GO BACK in you analisis thinking "hm.. maybe I can block this annoing a-pawn to play my knight-maneuver under better circumstances" and then you start calculating again... and in this case very very deeply
EikeKehrel 3 years ago
hehe .. funny discussion. VERY GOOD STUFF !
p.s.: thinking backwards meens 1) you identify the week point 2) you calculate Ne8-d6-b5-c3 .. then you realise that that the king doesn't have to go to protect a2 directly because if the white king stands on d3 then Nc3 could be answered by a4 - afterwards the white bishop could be transfered on the diagonal g8-c4 and white would have a fortress
EikeKehrel 3 years ago
According to Silman, that BIshop is an active bishop - a bad bishop thats still doing something. Not that it really matters in this endgame - because as Silman says: An active bishop is only good if it can work togehter with your other pieces. But I thought its a good term to know Majnu!
furrer08 3 years ago
The term "thinking backwards" is so strange to me, it doesn't seem to make logical sense. If you picture the ideal position in your mind, and then look to see how you can achieve that goal through moves, surely this is thinking forwards lol. Like in life, when you plan how to achieve your goals, you don't start by looking at your death bed and picture what came before it lol. I know Kasparov used the term in books, but I think it's an odd way to describe picturing ideal positions.
KNIGHTSTALE22 3 years ago
well if you put in in those terms " looking at your death" then that would be comparable to winning or losing the game (too far ahead), more appropriately they are like decisions in your life. an example if i want to become an engineer now i have to trail back to where i am (thinking backwards) and see how i can reach that goal according to where i am (pieces are) move by move (decision by decision) until i have gotten where i want to be. Its also referred to as reverse thinking.
termanogue 3 years ago
Thankyou for taking time to respond, much appreciated. When I use your example of wanting to be an engineer, assuming I have no experience in that field, my thoughts would be: 1. locate a college with the appropriate course 2. enrole on course 3. complete course's and pass of course 4. Search for jobs. The only way I understand thinking backwards here is by recongnising that I had no previous experience or Knowledge of engineering before I decided on my new goal. Still hard for me to grasp lol.
KNIGHTSTALE22 3 years ago
AN example of thinking backwards for me: I see the weak pawn on a2, which means its attacked by my knight if it were on c3. and then i see this: a2 - c3 - b5 - d6 - e8 - f6
furrer08 3 years ago
Yes thanks that makes alot of sense, I am just new to the phrase so was a little confused. I think I would usually see the a2 weakness and work forwards with f6-e8-d6-b5-c3-a2 but I can certainly understand why some would work backwards like your example. Maybe it's just a matter of personal style rather than one single correct way of calculating.
KNIGHTSTALE22 3 years ago
nice video maj
buffguy86 3 years ago 2
what about if instead of promoting, white took the knight first on e4?
trixapete 3 years ago
In that case black wins with Kxe4. After white promotes black gives a check with queen and trades queens. The pawn endgame that remains is won for black.
Majnu2006 3 years ago
I find you have to learn to think backwards, as it were; very interesting as usual.
number94 3 years ago
Yes, thinking backwards in the sense that we first need to know the goal that we want to achieve before calculating how to get there.
Majnu2006 3 years ago
I don't consider that thinking backwards. Thinking backwards is taking a step forward in the wrong direction, or walking around aimlessly.. but yeah, i know what you mean, and this is pretty much just arguing over 'semantics'.
ex0duzz 3 years ago
thx for this video
leratluci 3 years ago