@chickentorice Nadal was trying put more spin on the ball than Federer. If Federer had spin-production in mind, his body would be titled more downwards as well.
Right off the top, I find the big difference is the preparation. Nadal has tremendous wrist lay back on the back swing, which looks kind of ugly. Federer has very little. More classic looking. Though both are very effective.
Nadal uses a much different technique to get topspin, coming from under the ball a lot more, Roger prefers his initial contact point to be flat, putting topspin on the follow through.
Their forehands utilize similar techniques. Most players don't straighten their arms at contact point with the ball, but Roger's and Nadal's forearms are rather straight. Compare their forehands to the likes of Djokovic's or Tsonga's. The latter's two's power is mainly derived from the rotation of their core muscles - thereby locking their wrists - , while the former two's power is primarily derived from their wrist pronation (inertial lag) and the transition of power from the body to the wrist.
@nickngyuheng I like the way you mention 'inertial lag'. I've never seen that aspect of 'reverse body action' described in that terminology. I used to do that when I was playing a lot (but in those days I wasn't using the perpendicular racquet preparation). It was called 'leaving the racquet behind'. I study Fed's strokes extensively, and he doesn't always use 'inertial lag'... only when there's time. He also has several 'looks' on his forehand... more than Nadal.
@amsd1231 his wrist, all the professional coaches are telling that, but whatever it works ^^ One fundamental thing in a forehand is to keep the racquet's head over the wrist when bringing the racquet back ! With this you'll do less mistakes ! Roger's forehand is the "perfect" forehand whereas Nadal's is quite of a homemade lol
@TheSweatdreams94 I don't mean to be profound or anything, but is the perfect forehand perfect because there is a definite standard of perfection or is it because it achieves a certain end (in this case hitting a powerful consistent shot)? If it is the former case, then what makes this standard. Is it a hypothetical construct by the top coaches? Either way I am lead to think that it is the result that is important. Let me remind you standard of beauty is a whole other discussion.
@TheSweatdreams94 That's the modern game, it's based more on wicked spin and rotational forces; not just getting sideways and stepping in... although you see Djoker 'stepping in' more than most pros
@rockhardX Yep. Look at Tommy Haas, too. Today's pros all hit similar forehands... different from guys like Connors (straight back, 'to-and-fro'), and Borg didn't use the 'inertial lag' in his loop. Some guys like Murray are usually kind of 'semi-traditional' though
@xelagnay10 they hit with equally the same amount of spin.
that whole "rpm" shit doesnt matter.
federer hits with a huge amount of topspin but drives the ball more into the court while nadal brushes more with the ball and moonballs a lot deeper into the court
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@federerbestclass Because i'm sick of people on every federer video sayin, roger love, classic greatest, best class, blah blah blah. we get it stop acting like ur shakespear.
@Jubakaye but nadal is injured and thats a part of the game. u don't decide who the better player is by only comparing them when they are at their best. the reason federer is the GOAT is cause he plays well consistently without any injuries
@FeDXeGX That's ludicrous. If a person plays consistently and well, he can be better than another player of similar skill level even if he is hindered more by injuries.
Lets not forget that Roger and Rafa use 2 different grips on the forehand. Federer uses an Eastern grip while Nadal uses a full Western grip which is better for hitting lower balls and it generates more spin because of the more upward brushing motion imparted on the back of the ball. The Eastern grip allows you to hit harder and flatter.
@nishjaxx No.. Western grip is for high balls... that's why Fed hits underspin to western-style players... they can't get under a low ball. And also why clay-court Western-grip players did poorly at Wimbledon back in the day when the grass had low-skidding, sliced shots.
Same type of "windshield wiper forehand" is shown with these two as they pronate (turn their hand and arm over ) before, during and after contact. They both hit with the same straight arm technique rather than the double bend as well. Federer hits through the ball more and Rafa has a more vertical swing path but they are essentially two examples of the same technique.
dont get me wrong, federer's forehand is ultimate shiet too, but im a spin lover, so nadal's works for me. plus, i love his follow-through although overall, federer's is more beautiful
federer is hitting the ball flately and the ball moves a bit faster,while nadal puts a lot of spin on it,he is striking the ball from low to high and that federer twists his wrist so that the racket is horizontal to the ball...that's the difference
they have an advantage because a left handed persons cross court forehand goes to a right handed persons backhand, and a cross court forehand should be the most consistent shot, because cross court to cross court has the longest distance giving you the most area to get your forehand in.
thay are the same close raquet face drive the end cap into the ball just do that and dont think about spin. loose wrist watch the ball into the strings.
Nadals mind boggling spin is due to the fact that he's left handed, his arm and wrist techniuqe, and (not least of all) his raquet. Give him Federers flat beam 90 Wilson and his spin would not be so 'mind boggling'.
@KnightofZyryab in terms of rpms' of course being left handed has no advantage. in terms of left handed spin dynamics against right handers . . as the vast majority of pros' are. . Rafa, with his techniqe being a lefty gives him a huge advantage. Put it this way. A right handed Rafael Nadal means Roger Federer has a bigger trophy case.
Yes i do play tennis and what you say, that's with every top - 10 player in the tour. C'mon following the ball have you ever seen a player look above when he hit the ball. I don't think that a lefty and a right handed can have the same technik
Roger is the best player ever period but a real cry baby
when he doesnt get his way. Nadal is more of a sportsman, he is definitely less talented with less amount of variety in his game but his heart is what has made him beat Roger so many times even on hard courts and with no legs or energy left. Tennis needs them both unlike some of the bores.
@elreyki I agree with your post mostly except for Federer being a cry baby and Nadal being more sportsmanlike. Federer is not a cry baby just because he cried at the Australian Open, he has great respect for Nadal and he tried not to cry but he wanted the title so badly and he was sick of losing to Nadal but Federer always has something nice to say to any player and Nadal the same both are great players and great people for the sport of tennis.
No... How? If you know so much tell me how. Its not a totally different technic always. Look at thier feet, look at their back swings,look a how there heads follow the ball into the racket and dont look at their shot until their shoulders have rotated. You really dont know anything. You think you know something, but you dont. Do you play tennis?
Federer has a cleaner more sodil balaced forehand with more power than nadals but with a little less spin Nadals forehand has more spin but less power cause he uses more rist and has more of a low to high swing than federers which is more accross his body
Technique isn't all that matters considering Nadal has beaten Federer over twice as many times than he has won. I personally prefer Nadal's "unorthodox" and "ugly" forehand because it generates more topspin and uses more wrist movement, which comes natural to me.
@lzhaol Same. Pay attention to the shoulder joint motion. Shoulder controls the whole arm motion because that is where the major muscles are. This is the most effortless way to control the arm movement. Pay NO attention to the elbow or the wrist - these joint positions are affected by their different grip and amount of spin.
You will also find that these modern plays are all the same.
@lzhaol Federer does NOT lock his wrist... That would be horrible for a shot. Instead he lets it move in much the same way that Rafa and almost all pros use their wrists. They lay it back then let the racket come through. If you were to TOTALLY lock your wrist the shot would lose a lot of power and control.
@lzhaol The technique in this video is the same. It's called the "windshield wiper forehand." If you doubt me, ask the man who posted this video, who happens to be a tennis coach. Nadal usually hits reverse forehands during matches. That's the difference maker.
@lzhaol You couldn't be more wrong about federer's wrist. When you use an eastern and hit hard, if you don't use a TON of wrist you are going to have real consistency issues.
probably the END of the follow throughs are similar (aross the body), but other than that, they mechanics of their swings are completely different from each other.
Also the stretched arm at contact point and the back swing (just racquet head high while sholder turns back) are similar. The way Nadal drops and releases is more articulated and "loopy". He takes the elbow more back and down, then stretches the arm and releases with a 40/60 forewards/upwards follow through. Federer just stretches the arm and releases with a 50/50 fw/uw FT. Different grips: almost eastern Roger, almost western Rafael.
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Nadal's and Federer's strokes aren't similar. Footwork is identical.
Nadal's natural habbit is hit the ball a little later while brushing up at a slightly acute angle than Federer's. Federer pushes the ball just a little bit more while forcing just a tiny bit less spin into the ball.
Just letting people know, by the way, both players, and all the players in general, switch grips all the time. which means, Nadal doesnt always hit Wester, as much as Federer also doesn't always hit with semi.
definetly needs to do research it's almost impossible to hit an eastern grip unless your over the age of 50, those are the only people I've played that can hit with a straight eastern
if nadal has the same footwork as federer, why the fuck did he break his knees? think about it... federer is number 1 because his footwork is different then anyone elses. everyone is struggeling with his footwork on tour (I can tell that)
rogers technique will allow him to carry on playing tennis for a very long time. It alomst looks effortless whereas nadal will wear his body down in the future cos of his energy demanding technique
Roger;s Eastern forehand is soo beautiful. Look how relaxed and naturel it is... you can also see how much topspin Rafa puts on the ball... FYB videos are the shit!
Because you need a more open angle on your racket face to swing in a more linear pattern.
The more close your face is, the better it is to swing vertically.
Never said it was not possible, I said it's suitable. Simply means you have to alterate your swing path to fully benefit of your grip. Why? Because no matter how you swing your racket must square at impact. Most of time, the ball is struck with the face almost perpendicular to the ground.
Therefore, the more your face is closed because of your grip, the more it needs to opened by your swing.
Federer uses an eastern and you clearly can see his swing path is more linear, you could say it's literally diagonal. It also allows him to fully stretch his arm.
Roddick uses a semi I think and you clearly can see he is driving it almost perectly vertically with a bent elbow.
Different grips needs different swing path to be used at their fullest advantages.
i agree with that last part. changing grips usually requires finding a matching swing. there are just so many factors that contribute to producing a stroke. backswing, strike zone, wrist bend, etc.
Plus there are many variations to any grip, you could say that there are 3-4 ways of holding a semiwestern grip, maybe more. it all comes down to adjusting to whats comfortable.
It can be debated, but even Federer has quite an arsenal of different forehands.
MORE THAN one!! A FEW MORE potentially. If he can get emotionally back together after Historic French Open win, Wimby 09 will be a shoe-in. Especially with Nadal not at 100%. Oh yes, more than one slam left in Roger!
What's funny about tennis is how you master your health; it is very rare you aren't the very cause of your injuries. Nadal plays very aggressivly and his motion is damaging his body.
He's a very solid player, very fun to watch, but he will definitly not be a serious contendor to Federer's reccord, nor does he is in shape to slow Federer down now.
He is a new player, Federer; he used to be using only the baseline, now he dominate differently. What a complete player.
i watched nadal first 'cause i save best for last
zezyiox 5 days ago
Does nadal let his arm fall more than federers?
chickentorice 1 month ago
@chickentorice Nadal was trying put more spin on the ball than Federer. If Federer had spin-production in mind, his body would be titled more downwards as well.
DiastoleSystole 2 weeks ago
Need more examples, this is warmup, neat idea regardless
bowense7en 1 month ago
Is Federer warming up in this video?
VengeanceAfter 2 months ago
its like comparing bagels to cream cheese. one without the other is disgusting.
dinosmashify 2 months ago
@dinosmashify err.. no?
lolookphor 2 months ago
Fed's not doing a windshield wiper on this one whereas, nadal is.
C0RVADE 5 months ago
roger is forehand, rafael is topspin. the video shows it all
liedetecter2000 5 months ago
Thumbs up if you played this video more than once!
trilfy 5 months ago
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iraklaras99yt 5 months ago
Right off the top, I find the big difference is the preparation. Nadal has tremendous wrist lay back on the back swing, which looks kind of ugly. Federer has very little. More classic looking. Though both are very effective.
theriokid 6 months ago
Nadal uses a much different technique to get topspin, coming from under the ball a lot more, Roger prefers his initial contact point to be flat, putting topspin on the follow through.
theguycalledchris 6 months ago
lol when you guys first watched this and couldnt decide which serve to watch, how many of ya'll picked roger? fed for life!!
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tennislife100 6 months ago
nadal swing from lower thats why he need more wrist. you can say their technique is the same but their different grip change it a bit
wind1357 6 months ago
Insane topspin vs Flatter Power. I'll take topspin
explodingpimp 7 months ago
Their forehands utilize similar techniques. Most players don't straighten their arms at contact point with the ball, but Roger's and Nadal's forearms are rather straight. Compare their forehands to the likes of Djokovic's or Tsonga's. The latter's two's power is mainly derived from the rotation of their core muscles - thereby locking their wrists - , while the former two's power is primarily derived from their wrist pronation (inertial lag) and the transition of power from the body to the wrist.
nickngyuheng 7 months ago
@nickngyuheng I like the way you mention 'inertial lag'. I've never seen that aspect of 'reverse body action' described in that terminology. I used to do that when I was playing a lot (but in those days I wasn't using the perpendicular racquet preparation). It was called 'leaving the racquet behind'. I study Fed's strokes extensively, and he doesn't always use 'inertial lag'... only when there's time. He also has several 'looks' on his forehand... more than Nadal.
ARTZY64 5 months ago
Nadal forehand is full off technical mistakes
TheSweatdreams94 7 months ago
@TheSweatdreams94 and what makes them mistakes? is it because his forehand is different from the forehand your coach teaches you?
amsd1231 7 months ago
@amsd1231 his wrist, all the professional coaches are telling that, but whatever it works ^^ One fundamental thing in a forehand is to keep the racquet's head over the wrist when bringing the racquet back ! With this you'll do less mistakes ! Roger's forehand is the "perfect" forehand whereas Nadal's is quite of a homemade lol
TheSweatdreams94 7 months ago
@TheSweatdreams94 I don't mean to be profound or anything, but is the perfect forehand perfect because there is a definite standard of perfection or is it because it achieves a certain end (in this case hitting a powerful consistent shot)? If it is the former case, then what makes this standard. Is it a hypothetical construct by the top coaches? Either way I am lead to think that it is the result that is important. Let me remind you standard of beauty is a whole other discussion.
amsd1231 7 months ago
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@TheSweatdreams94 such as??
federerbestcIass 6 months ago
@TheSweatdreams94 That's the modern game, it's based more on wicked spin and rotational forces; not just getting sideways and stepping in... although you see Djoker 'stepping in' more than most pros
ARTZY64 5 months ago
federer is just the tennis god
coookie517 7 months ago
Nadal's forehand is just beautiful
Gerribaldi 9 months ago
nadal drops his wrist too early when he hits a forehand. but its still a GREAT one
wyannnnnne 10 months ago
you can't compare the forehands of these two... they are completely different...
jiggyjiggy99 10 months ago
there guiding hand has the same motion
Sn3aKerFr33kZ 10 months ago
in many ways their forehands look similar....anyone agree?
rockhardX 10 months ago
@rockhardX No.
PhilGerb93 9 months ago
@rockhardX Yep. Look at Tommy Haas, too. Today's pros all hit similar forehands... different from guys like Connors (straight back, 'to-and-fro'), and Borg didn't use the 'inertial lag' in his loop. Some guys like Murray are usually kind of 'semi-traditional' though
ARTZY64 5 months ago
@xelagnay10 they hit with equally the same amount of spin.
that whole "rpm" shit doesnt matter.
federer hits with a huge amount of topspin but drives the ball more into the court while nadal brushes more with the ball and moonballs a lot deeper into the court
cj397 1 year ago
lol LOOK AT THERE NONE RACKET HAND!!
FlyFoxAir 1 year ago
i think roger's forehand more better than nadal.
Nadhirah1995 1 year ago
@Nadhirah1995 It is, Roger has the best forehand in tennis
vampireknightrock100 10 months ago
maaan Nadals forehand looks so awfull compared to his backhand or feds forehand :(
affenkeks 1 year ago
@affenkeks Are you sure? /watch?v=kupMonfoI44
phnx90 1 year ago
what program do you use to edit the video?
vieganif 1 year ago
Roger is the classic greatest ever. love Roger
federerbestclass 1 year ago 59
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@federerbestclass Rafael Nadal is the classic greatest. ever. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class. Love Rafa Nadal. Class.
federerbestcIass 6 months ago
@federerbestclass Omg shut up!!!!
Sundin456 2 months ago
@Sundin456 what?
federerbestclass 2 months ago
@Sundin456 since you are Nadal's fan, it say, "shut up" to me? What is the purpose?
federerbestclass 2 months ago
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@federerbestclass Because i'm sick of people on every federer video sayin, roger love, classic greatest, best class, blah blah blah. we get it stop acting like ur shakespear.
Sundin456 2 months ago
@Sundin456 Does it really bother you that much?
RisingInTheFlesh 2 weeks ago
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rafael is true classy. classy man. roger is sham and overact cry like baby no bottle. no teeth smelly gum roger.
hateNadaIII 1 year ago
did nadal switch to eastern forehand? doesn't look like a western to me.
jkim519 1 year ago
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Rafa is so classy. lovely. true king. love Rafa Nadal.
federerbestcIass 1 year ago
@Jubakaye but nadal is injured and thats a part of the game. u don't decide who the better player is by only comparing them when they are at their best. the reason federer is the GOAT is cause he plays well consistently without any injuries
FeDXeGX 1 year ago
@FeDXeGX That's ludicrous. If a person plays consistently and well, he can be better than another player of similar skill level even if he is hindered more by injuries.
SPARTAbassist 1 year ago
Lets not forget that Roger and Rafa use 2 different grips on the forehand. Federer uses an Eastern grip while Nadal uses a full Western grip which is better for hitting lower balls and it generates more spin because of the more upward brushing motion imparted on the back of the ball. The Eastern grip allows you to hit harder and flatter.
Agree anyone??
nishjaxx 1 year ago
@nishjaxx not me. a westerm grip makes it easier to hit a high ball and harder to hit a low ball. not the other way around
FeDXeGX 1 year ago
@nishjaxx No.. Western grip is for high balls... that's why Fed hits underspin to western-style players... they can't get under a low ball. And also why clay-court Western-grip players did poorly at Wimbledon back in the day when the grass had low-skidding, sliced shots.
ARTZY64 5 months ago
Same type of "windshield wiper forehand" is shown with these two as they pronate (turn their hand and arm over ) before, during and after contact. They both hit with the same straight arm technique rather than the double bend as well. Federer hits through the ball more and Rafa has a more vertical swing path but they are essentially two examples of the same technique.
TheSuperDmyers 1 year ago
OMG, i would kill to get nadal's forehand.
dont get me wrong, federer's forehand is ultimate shiet too, but im a spin lover, so nadal's works for me. plus, i love his follow-through although overall, federer's is more beautiful
animaanimaanima 1 year ago
to think nadal's forehand is better than federer's you must have smoken weed, or be an idiot, or most likely both!
odyssey20011 1 year ago
@odyssey20011 there's no "better forehand", both are equally solid but completely different
nvkhuang819 1 year ago
@odyssey20011 to think Federer's forehand is better than Nadal's, you must be on heroin, or be a hardcore fedophile/federast, or, most likely, both.
That's the forehand Nadal used to defeat Federer 14 times. What else is there to say?
natule7ka 1 year ago
@natule7ka uuuum i dont know! maybe that federer used his forehand to win 16 slams and outragously dominate during 4 consecutive years?
odyssey20011 1 year ago
windup and stroke are insanely different, yet these to players are the only ones on tour who finish their swing below shoulder-height.
federer due to the insanely early strike zone, and rafa due to tue his grip and crazy top spin he puts on it.
remarkable.
chrism216 1 year ago
@chrism216 no they aren't. a lot of players finish below shoulder height
FeDXeGX 1 year ago
it looks the same a bit but its not the same
mrziggydylan 1 year ago
federer is hitting the ball flately and the ball moves a bit faster,while nadal puts a lot of spin on it,he is striking the ball from low to high and that federer twists his wrist so that the racket is horizontal to the ball...that's the difference
adidasmichael09 1 year ago
why does nadal take his racket all the way behind his ass? it sems like his wrist would be broken
Y0UTUBER34 1 year ago
Rafa is best !
r0baa 1 year ago
@r0baa federer's forehand is techincally, mechanically, and aesthetically much better than rafa's.
cj397 1 year ago
@cj397 no it is not..it is just technically,mechanically, and aesthetically much different
BugzTheWabbit 1 year ago
Do you have any video where it is synced as they swing rather than at contact?
KOliverJones 1 year ago
left handers have an advantage simply because there are less left handed players around...
konvictz0007 1 year ago
@konvictz0007 that's not why they have an advantage
they have an advantage because a left handed persons cross court forehand goes to a right handed persons backhand, and a cross court forehand should be the most consistent shot, because cross court to cross court has the longest distance giving you the most area to get your forehand in.
paulchae8 1 year ago
@paulchae8 exactly and that gives them an advantage because theres less of them. lol u just backed up what i said.
if left and right handers were 50:50 it would be different.
konvictz0007 1 year ago
@paulchae8 not to mention that the net is lowest in the middle.
cj397 1 year ago
thay are the same close raquet face drive the end cap into the ball just do that and dont think about spin. loose wrist watch the ball into the strings.
DRblackstone 1 year ago
Nadal's right arm doesn't move
FairwayJack 1 year ago
i think nadals forehand is very cool
Tiangisbarato 1 year ago
Nadals mind boggling spin is due to the fact that he's left handed, his arm and wrist techniuqe, and (not least of all) his raquet. Give him Federers flat beam 90 Wilson and his spin would not be so 'mind boggling'.
royeeeee 1 year ago
@royeeeee Left handedbess does not automatically increase spin ...
KnightofZyryab 1 year ago
@KnightofZyryab in terms of rpms' of course being left handed has no advantage. in terms of left handed spin dynamics against right handers . . as the vast majority of pros' are. . Rafa, with his techniqe being a lefty gives him a huge advantage. Put it this way. A right handed Rafael Nadal means Roger Federer has a bigger trophy case.
royeeeee 1 year ago
@royeeeee Pure speculation.
KnightofZyryab 1 year ago
i think the main difference is the grip their using
dannyofitaly2 1 year ago
Actually Nadal has more spin in his Forehand than Federer's.
ruaridh2k7 1 year ago
Mad Respect for these two dudes!
TheChrisVista 1 year ago
I have never seen a left hand forehand that produces a spin like Nadal's, fucking mind boggling.
livefortruth101 1 year ago
how cool is this!!!
nasthek156 1 year ago
Yes i do play tennis and what you say, that's with every top - 10 player in the tour. C'mon following the ball have you ever seen a player look above when he hit the ball. I don't think that a lefty and a right handed can have the same technik
WytzeDriessens 1 year ago
Why can they not? Left handers and right handers just hold the racket in a different hand, it's not going to change the technique.
englishempire 1 year ago
@WytzeDriessens lol why can't a lefty and righty have the same technique?
FeDXeGX 1 year ago
Roger is the best player ever period but a real cry baby
when he doesnt get his way. Nadal is more of a sportsman, he is definitely less talented with less amount of variety in his game but his heart is what has made him beat Roger so many times even on hard courts and with no legs or energy left. Tennis needs them both unlike some of the bores.
elreyki 1 year ago
@elreyki I agree with your post mostly except for Federer being a cry baby and Nadal being more sportsmanlike. Federer is not a cry baby just because he cried at the Australian Open, he has great respect for Nadal and he tried not to cry but he wanted the title so badly and he was sick of losing to Nadal but Federer always has something nice to say to any player and Nadal the same both are great players and great people for the sport of tennis.
AwantedNinja 1 year ago
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federerbestclass 1 year ago
Roger is the true class
federerbestclass 1 year ago
Cool video, thanks for posting.
dwilliams02 2 years ago
it's bullshit to compare a right handed and a left handed, it's a totaly different technic always
WytzeDriessens 2 years ago
your bullshit
binaryhex1 2 years ago
No... How? If you know so much tell me how. Its not a totally different technic always. Look at thier feet, look at their back swings,look a how there heads follow the ball into the racket and dont look at their shot until their shoulders have rotated. You really dont know anything. You think you know something, but you dont. Do you play tennis?
JackIntheBK 1 year ago
how can you compare a lefty and a right handed player, that's bullshit
WytzeDriessens 2 years ago
i can. it's called vertical reflection. lol
did you know? you have 1 arm on ur left side and another arm on ur right side, same with the legs.
qkreotjd 2 years ago 7
Federer has a cleaner more sodil balaced forehand with more power than nadals but with a little less spin Nadals forehand has more spin but less power cause he uses more rist and has more of a low to high swing than federers which is more accross his body
tennisguy1995 2 years ago
Fed also keeps his head down for longer after he hits the ball, it gives him better balance in the follow through.
zm177 2 years ago
bram bam bam balan ban bam , brin bon bin balamban bum, bun bon ban biribing. But that's just my opinion.
arkor7 2 years ago
Technique isn't all that matters considering Nadal has beaten Federer over twice as many times than he has won. I personally prefer Nadal's "unorthodox" and "ugly" forehand because it generates more topspin and uses more wrist movement, which comes natural to me.
bluefire3991 2 years ago
Nadal leads 13-7. (7 x 2 is 14 mate.)
ArjanK1206 2 years ago
they have the stop sign lol right when they cock their wrists.
Bdubbs09 2 years ago
Nadal = nasty ugly forehand crazy spins
Federer = pretty nice forehand semicrazy spins
GtrEvo 2 years ago 4
@GtrEvo Your an idiot
Sundin456 2 years ago
i don't understand why pple say tt their technique is the same... its completely different
Fed locks his risk and uses more of his forearm + his racket speed while Nadal uses alot of wrists which is quite unorthodox
lzhaol 2 years ago 18
maybe because in this very example Nadal does not pull the racket over his head, as he often does for his crazy topspins
ulizinho 2 years ago
@lzhaol
you are so wrong about everything in your post lol
sukivan27 2 years ago
@lzhaol Same. Pay attention to the shoulder joint motion. Shoulder controls the whole arm motion because that is where the major muscles are. This is the most effortless way to control the arm movement. Pay NO attention to the elbow or the wrist - these joint positions are affected by their different grip and amount of spin.
You will also find that these modern plays are all the same.
chenstan 1 year ago
@lzhaol Federer does NOT lock his wrist... That would be horrible for a shot. Instead he lets it move in much the same way that Rafa and almost all pros use their wrists. They lay it back then let the racket come through. If you were to TOTALLY lock your wrist the shot would lose a lot of power and control.
jr10spro 1 year ago
@lzhaol The technique in this video is the same. It's called the "windshield wiper forehand." If you doubt me, ask the man who posted this video, who happens to be a tennis coach. Nadal usually hits reverse forehands during matches. That's the difference maker.
s900203 1 year ago
@lzhaol You couldn't be more wrong about federer's wrist. When you use an eastern and hit hard, if you don't use a TON of wrist you are going to have real consistency issues.
MrSkantron 1 year ago
@lzhaol nobody uses wrist to hit forehand, it is his semi western grip that gibes a lot of spin
NickAndThisIsGood 1 year ago
@lzhaol Totally agree. And besides. If you freeze it at 10 seconds, you can even see that the angle of their arm is different.
soobauk 8 months ago
@lzhaol no one says that
rohanh012345 7 months ago
@lzhaol
Depending on where you learned to play tennis, not unorthodox at all.
dmh091 7 months ago
Arms fully stretched when they make contact to the ball,
preparation and way they grip are different but other than that,
THEIR FOREHANDs are VERY SIMILAR
oh one more that might be different would be the hitting point, Fed hits when the balls is at the highest and Nadal tends to wait a bit time to time
bluemagic212121 2 years ago
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aonutube 2 years ago
they are far more similar than what i would have thought
lollygoddard123 2 years ago
probably the END of the follow throughs are similar (aross the body), but other than that, they mechanics of their swings are completely different from each other.
drumswack 2 years ago 11
their mechanism is completely the same!
lukebonstingl 2 years ago
Also the stretched arm at contact point and the back swing (just racquet head high while sholder turns back) are similar. The way Nadal drops and releases is more articulated and "loopy". He takes the elbow more back and down, then stretches the arm and releases with a 40/60 forewards/upwards follow through. Federer just stretches the arm and releases with a 50/50 fw/uw FT. Different grips: almost eastern Roger, almost western Rafael.
matteodinenno 1 year ago
it's eastern u assholes god learn your tennis facts.
SuperIndianKid 2 years ago
Two of the best forehands in the world right there!
akin1989 2 years ago
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Nadal's and Federer's strokes aren't similar. Footwork is identical.
Nadal's natural habbit is hit the ball a little later while brushing up at a slightly acute angle than Federer's. Federer pushes the ball just a little bit more while forcing just a tiny bit less spin into the ball.
Just letting people know, by the way, both players, and all the players in general, switch grips all the time. which means, Nadal doesnt always hit Wester, as much as Federer also doesn't always hit with semi.
whzpdlsWkd 2 years ago
roger doesn't hit with semi he uses eastern
KRodfadesaway427 2 years ago 6
federer uses eastern not semi u dumbass
S1LV3RD1N 2 years ago 5
....Wow.... you should... study and research more "before" you leave a comment rofl.
whzpdlsWkd 2 years ago
definetly needs to do research it's almost impossible to hit an eastern grip unless your over the age of 50, those are the only people I've played that can hit with a straight eastern
GtM1321 2 years ago
I had to sign in just to laugh hahaha.. it is a known fact that Fed uses an Eastern grip.. "Footwork is identical" hahaha.. im going to fall over
Wodz30 2 years ago
if nadal has the same footwork as federer, why the fuck did he break his knees? think about it... federer is number 1 because his footwork is different then anyone elses. everyone is struggeling with his footwork on tour (I can tell that)
Aquaboy99 2 years ago
They have a similar footwork (on this video)
dovalenano2 2 years ago
ROGER!!!!!
pastereator 2 years ago
FEDDDD
spenceworld 2 years ago
their follow throughs end up in pretty much the same place now, i thought rafas used to be more over his left shoulder
LeweLeweLewe 2 years ago
yea rafa number 1!
raaaaaul12 2 years ago
go rafa
lukebonstingl 2 years ago
They both look awesome!
rocketserver1 2 years ago 4
rogers technique will allow him to carry on playing tennis for a very long time. It alomst looks effortless whereas nadal will wear his body down in the future cos of his energy demanding technique
aslimaRev08 2 years ago 4
Federer changes his grip during his swing
shilohandphoebe 2 years ago
Wow, they couldn't look more different. It's a wonder they can even play together!
ParkParkParkPark 2 years ago
Federer's grip looks almost like a continental here...
Nekrohol 2 years ago
Roger;s Eastern forehand is soo beautiful. Look how relaxed and naturel it is... you can also see how much topspin Rafa puts on the ball... FYB videos are the shit!
djsewell 2 years ago 2
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Retard Roger uses a western. Idiot
shilohandphoebe 2 years ago
Sooooo wrong.
HawtTuna 2 years ago
.. Fuzzyyellowballs has a video where Fed's forehandgrip is explained.. watch it. it's eastern.
deagmomo 2 years ago
nope, roger uses eastern... you're making yourself look stupid
djsewell 2 years ago
I think he tilts toward the semi-western a bit. He's defenitly somewhere in between both. Kind of an hybrid grip between semi-western and Eastern.
So, it would defently not be so idiot for some to see it semi-western, nor Eastern.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago 2
look at fyb's video on Federer's forehand.... eastern man.
djsewell 2 years ago
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GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
Watch FYB's vid on his grip-he uses both. It's funny though, people like you argue over this so much but it doesn't help you play better.
BWpepperr 2 years ago
that's a really dumb statement when you don't know me or know how i play tennis.
djsewell 2 years ago
I don't need to know how you play to tell you that you, sir, make yourself stupid by telling others "you're making yourself look stupid"
BWpepperr 2 years ago
not really...
djsewell 2 years ago
Well, Federer's grip allows you to play a stroke swing like he does. It is simply not suitable to use a semi-western to do this.
IF this swing happens to be your natural pattern, it does make you better to play eastern.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
Could you elaborate? How couldn't you "swing like him" with a semi?Thanks
BWpepperr 2 years ago
Because you need a more open angle on your racket face to swing in a more linear pattern.
The more close your face is, the better it is to swing vertically.
Never said it was not possible, I said it's suitable. Simply means you have to alterate your swing path to fully benefit of your grip. Why? Because no matter how you swing your racket must square at impact. Most of time, the ball is struck with the face almost perpendicular to the ground.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
Therefore, the more your face is closed because of your grip, the more it needs to opened by your swing.
Federer uses an eastern and you clearly can see his swing path is more linear, you could say it's literally diagonal. It also allows him to fully stretch his arm.
Roddick uses a semi I think and you clearly can see he is driving it almost perectly vertically with a bent elbow.
Different grips needs different swing path to be used at their fullest advantages.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
i agree with that last part. changing grips usually requires finding a matching swing. there are just so many factors that contribute to producing a stroke. backswing, strike zone, wrist bend, etc.
Plus there are many variations to any grip, you could say that there are 3-4 ways of holding a semiwestern grip, maybe more. it all comes down to adjusting to whats comfortable.
It can be debated, but even Federer has quite an arsenal of different forehands.
nobodyisforreal 2 years ago
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theres only one way to hit the ball.
at a 45 degree angle...
and thats what all the best do
tcm234 2 years ago
i agree, sometimes i wonder if the grip you use even makes any real difference. just have to hit the ball on an angle to generate spin.
mustang100002 2 years ago
Just look at the angle of the racquet face at various stages and how wobbly Nadal's is and how stable Federer's is.
Snaurt 2 years ago
How can people think these are similar. They are remarkably different. Grip, wristiness, backswing, follow through. Look closer.
Snaurt 2 years ago 2
coz they dont know what their talking about. and prolly dont even know how to plkay tennis.
supertrex2 2 years ago
well said... GO FED JUST ONE MORE SLAM!
cyoonit123 2 years ago 3
MORE THAN one!! A FEW MORE potentially. If he can get emotionally back together after Historic French Open win, Wimby 09 will be a shoe-in. Especially with Nadal not at 100%. Oh yes, more than one slam left in Roger!
baritono81 2 years ago
What's funny about tennis is how you master your health; it is very rare you aren't the very cause of your injuries. Nadal plays very aggressivly and his motion is damaging his body.
He's a very solid player, very fun to watch, but he will definitly not be a serious contendor to Federer's reccord, nor does he is in shape to slow Federer down now.
He is a new player, Federer; he used to be using only the baseline, now he dominate differently. What a complete player.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago