All this presupposes that all people consume unconsciously forever like sheep.
Maybe it applies to teenagers or idiot elite class morons who never had to gain self control over their unconscious urges.
But it does not apply to most.
I doubt this guy has ever held down a real job in his life and thus understands nothing of reality outside the cossetted surroundings of university life.
SOMG! I thought men would come and call out in public against sinners WAYYYYyyyyyy beyond this, but it's TIME! When people are against their own people, how can any justifiable thing BE?
@Licmycat A learned sociologist? No. Certainly I have observed the world, and while my statement reasoned inductively from anecdotal evidence from my life, I believe it is valid for the most part in contemporary America. While I won't say females are MORE influenced by hormones, I will certainly refute your claim that males are more influenced by there's. Besides I don't see how that is necessarily related to sociology.
@365to173repubsPWNED Just curious. It's a high-paid gossip dept. Men aren't more influenced by hormones??? LMAO!!!! What makes men 'Johns' that come down to hooker street and buy BJs from the street-walkers which is technically UNFAITHFULNESS. It's not hormones then just cold-blooded meanness that shows no human feelings or morals at all? I thought sex was ruled by hormones. So, what do u think rules it?
@Licmycat I think your premise is wrong. You seem to equate hormones with sex drive; that's a bit too facile. I'll admit, male hormones often manifest themselves as desiring sex. However I think female hormones don't drive them towards sex per se, but making themselves attractive and/or emotional during their cycle. You can't sit there and say they don't spend insane amounts of time buying make up, clothes, dieting, et cetera to make themselves pretty. They think about that so fucking much.
@Licmycat Ha, don't flatter yourself. I'm attracted to wisdom in women, and thusly not you. If you think men's hormones manifest themselves in similar ways to women just more profoundly....then you're smoking crack.
@365to173repubsPWNED I see you're only twelve yrs. old little bully. I'd take a baseball bat to ur head and shoulders if you talked disrespectfully to my face like that. Little coward. Go home to ur momee, I hear her calling you.
@Licmycat I marvel at the fact that you can threaten hitting people on the head with a baseball bat while calling others 12 year olds. The irony is beyond hilarious.
Yeah. People need to stop watching t.v. and their commercials. I hope the future generations learn it's a brainwashing technique started on kids to control their minds.
We are programed from a young age to value these things, through advertizing. Yes, they are part of our nature, but not the ONLY part -and not the best...
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@rhetoricmonkey I Just Noticed Your Response To ME, Monkey And I Respect That. All I Ask Is That You Make Sure You Make Your Posts A Little More Legible And Legitimate When You Write Them. Thank You.
For Instance, When A Female Sees Me Strolling Down The Street Or Riding The Bus She Unconsciously Thinks To Herself, "Look At This Lower Class, Low Income, Low Status, Loner, Loser." We're A Status Conscious Species, Folkz, And That's How We Perceive Those Without Status Symbols (Or Those Who Possess Symbols Of Lesser Status).
Rightly So Though. Often Times Those Are Accurate Assessments.
The One Thing That Can TRUMP These Innate Tendencies (These Innate Female Tendencies For Men Of Status And Wealth) Are Good Genes, Which Can Be Indicated By A Number Of Things, Chief Among Them Symmetry And Proportion (Or Physical Attraction). So Though A Male May Not Be Able To Trigger The Parts Of Her Brain That Are Tuned To Status Symbols, Positional Goods, Etc (Those Things Which Denote Status) He Can Trigger The Parts Of Her Brain That Are Tuned To Physical Attraction And WIN Her That Way.
Men use expensive cars to display their social status to women because women are attracted to high-status males. (The Consuming Instinct)
Females Are Attracted To Wealthy Males Of High Social Status. Males Are Attracted To Youthful, Physically Attractive Females In The Prime Of Their Reproductive Years. We Typically Don't Deviate From These Genetically Inherited Predilictions And Proclivities When Choosing A Mate.
@PeeGeeBeeDee What you have stated is often true in a society that promotes such a psychology, but these patterns behavior are not genetically predetermined in humans. Yes, we are preconditioned to inapt certain behaviors. Men may be genetically preconditioned to violence thanks to testosterone, but a genetic precondition is not the same as a predetermination. Humans have the ability to learn and modify their behavior and to think critically about one's choices.
@MicahBuzan Unschooled Person In The Field Of Evolutionary Psychology Let ME Rebut Your Argument Starting With This: REGARDLESS OF WHAT SOCIETY YOU'RE BORN AND RAISED IN, THE INGRAINED, INHERITED, INNATE PSYCHOLOGICAL PREDISPOSITIONS, PROCLIVITIES, PREDILECTIONS, PENCHANTS, TENDENCIES, Etc. That Humans (Specifically AFRICANS) Evolved In AFRICA Hundreds Of Thousands Of Years Ago Will Be With You When You're Born And When You Die (It'll Be Apart Of Your Genetic Makeup).
@MicahBuzan The Society You're Born And Raised In Either Further Promotes These INNATE PSYCHOLOGICAL PREDISPOSITIONS Or Demotes Them. For Instance, MALES Have An INNATE PSYCHOLOGICAL PREDISPOSITION To Be Attracted To Young, Beautiful Women (Symmetrical Women With A .68 To .72 Waist To Hip Ratio). So Regardless Of What Society A Male's Born And Raised In, They'll Find Women That Fall In This Category Attractive (They're Psychologically Predisposed To).
@MicahBuzan Por Ejemplo WE In America Highly Value Symmetrical Females With Waist To Hip Ratios Anywhere From .68 To .72. Why? Because WE'RE Ingrained To, But Also Because American Society Places A High Value On Females That Fall In This Category (These Females Are Placed On A Pedestal, Praised And Paraded In Front Of The Viewing World [Including Your Little Nothing Ass Country Whose Dictators Get Off To Them], So WE'RE Further Socialized To Value, Covet, And Desire Such Women).
@MicahBuzan Face The Facts. This Is Reality. Your High School And Junior College Education Didn't Expose You To Such Truths (They Taught You Some Outdated Bullshit That's No Longer Relevant Or Applicable To Real Life. Luckily I'm Here To Do So. Soak It All Up My HISPANIC, SOCIALIST FRIEND. By The Way, Where You At? Cuz A Nigga Wanna Get His Dicc Succ. How Bout You Tie Tha Long Hair Of YO's Bacc And Succ Uh Nigga Off?
@PeeGeeBeeDee There isn't an intelligent thought in that brain of yours is there? Nothing but ad-hominen attacks and curse words? I'm done talking with you.
@MicahBuzan I'm Tired Of This Thang Mayne. It Been Nothin' But Trouble Since Day One, Been Nothin' But Uh Burden. So Do ME A Favor And Succ This Thang Rite The Fucc Off And Then Swallow It Cuz I Don't Eva Wanna See This Thang Again.
...the two sexes engage in radically different forms of sexual signaling as a means of drawing attention to themselves. Innumerable women can be seen strolling the downtown streets in scantily clad attire as an equally impressive number of men appear to be driving aimlessly around the same downtown blocks in souped-up cars, with the windows rolled down and music blasting... (The Consuming Instinct)
Some Of What I've Written Below, Specifically That Which Concerns Reckless Driving May Be A Little Hypothetical But The General Idea Is Fairly Accurate.
Reminding teenage males of the death-defying nature of reckless driving is a poor strategy, as young men engage in such acts precisely because it is a COSTLY and hence Honest SIGNAL of their courage ("I faced death and came out unscathed, while some do not"). (The Consuming Instinct)
So Just As An Expensive, Ostentatious Car Signals That You Have The Wealth To Afford One (Or At Least Pretend You Do), Reckless Driving Signals That You Can Take Risks Without Suffering Negative Consequences.
I think the themes that are presented are in reference to the general populations. i.e. Just because I know 100 women who are taller than 100 men, doesn't mean that it refutes the fact that the average height of men is greater than that of women.
I think we can apply this to a lot of the arguments he is presenting. Furthermore, I believe that he is aware of this; it simply didn't come up in the interview.
My extrapolation of the general idea here: survival, reproduction, kin, reciprocity.
@MyDormantSoul OK. Let's Go Over This Again. The Fundamental Drives/Desires/Needs That Humans Evolved Millions To Hundreds Of Thousands Of Years Ago In Africa Are STILL With Us Today. To Put It Another Way, The Groundwork For What Makes Us Human Both Mentally And Physically Was Laid Down Long Before The 14th to 20th century. So Meat And Salt Production May Have Increased During Those Times, But That Didn't Change Our Evolved, Genetically Inherited Desire For Meat And Salt.
''you can't get 6.8 billion people to change. Those few people who do respond to the dire conditions of the future - journalists, environmentalists, behavioral scientists -tend not to be powerful,'' he said. ''So, we go to the powerful people: leaders in religion, government and industry. But these people are concerned (responding) with the present; the Pope is interested in saving souls, the governors in re-election and the tycoons in profits.''
Advertisers are using the likes of this guys data without heed to health but with the same genetic predisposition of conditioning only theirs (advertisers) is in response to profits. I wonder if Modern Warfare 3 has increased the sales of Mountain Dew and Doritos by offering double XP with the purchase of select products. What's more is I wonder how many of these consumers will consider diabetes as a result of their behavior before of after it is to late.
I wonder how many 'evil advertising execs' took some form psychology in college. B. F. Skinner was saying humans behave according to a genetic predisposition to conditioned responses more than 60 years ago. We respond to what we have learned is reinforcing. Some men may respond to a Prius the way his Ferrari pilots have, depending on the woman and other contingencies that they've been exposed to. Women could just about save the world. ;)
World media is controlled by a small group of people who dictate what is, and is not, pushed upon the general population.
Edward Bernays really found a customer for his subtle brainwashing techniques in Hollywood and Madison Avenue.
Love to see this idiot study what values drive a society which does NOT permit TV to glorify and push consumerism, soft porn, and moral ambiguity upon its members 24/7.
I'm a somewhat attractive young woman an I couldn't give a sh*t about a ferrari. All I can think is "insecure person that has paid way to much for a machine whose function is getting you from point A to point B". Ferrari's, Harlequin romances, menstrual zombies....who are these women?
I'd say your choice of Apparel is more reflective of a birds plumage than the car you drive...
Cars tend to be about speed and performance, sure they're exotic... but their looks conform to aerodynamics more than aesthetics.(the aerodynamic form does have it's appeal tho...)
@Panpiper i can honestly say i would never own one, it's for those who need to stroke their egos in this way. i've found that helping others with that amount of money would bring far greater reward than a ferrari
@sensibuddz Whether you have a large or small penis doesn't matter. The analogy with a Peacock goes as such: To grow an elaborate and attractive Peacock Tail you must have genes that allow you to be resistant to disease (so their tail grows well and doesn't fade) and genes that allow you to avoid predators attracted to the tail. Such a tail signals to Peahens that the Peacock possessing it has GOOD GENES. Similarly, guys that drive fancy sports cars are saying to females I HAVE GOOD GENES.
To be exact, Guys are unconsciously saying to females (when they're driving one) , "Look at me. I have enough wealth (resources) to afford a car like this. The cost of it doesn't affect me as much as it would someone that isn't as wealthy." Which boils down to, "I have phenotypic traits such as high intelligence, ambition, industriousness, social skills to make enough money to buy a car like this."
The Peacock's tail, however, is a better indicator of genes because it's development is almost entirely under the control of The Peacock's genes whereas the buying of a fancy car is partly dependent on the buyer's genes and partly dependent on the buyers social circumstances (non-genetic factors). So the fancy car is less of a reflection of the owner's genes than the Peacock's Tail (the car is an extended phenotype [an extension of the owner's genes] and the tail is a direct phenotypic trait).
@sensibuddz So getting back to your original statement, whether you're a man with a large penis or a small penis you're STILL going to want to signal to the opposite sex that you have good genes (that you are a wealthy, high status male). And one way to do this is to drive a flashy, expensive car.
@eleseur Yes, Very Akin. That Would Be A Better Analogy Than Than Peacock Analogy (The Bower Bird Analogy, That Is). Both Are Examples Of Extended Phenotypes.
Has anyone here ever driven a fast car? Personally I couldn't care less how it looks when I'm driving it, Its how it feels to go fast and on the edge of control that excites us.
Not whether we can use a car that cost more than most people's houses to get laid.
@EIiott Whether you drive a junky car fast or an expensive car slow you're STILL using your car to get laid. You driving a junky car fast (and doing it well) is saying to the opposite sex that you have good enough genes to drive a car at a dangerous speed without crashing. In other words, "Look at me. I'm a risk taker that has good eye hand coordination and reflexes. So good that I can successfully handle a car at high speeds." (See below for what driving an expensive car says.)
Is Reason serious abot the evidence? Fossil record evidence collapsed in the 1930s. Genetic manipulation works scientifically -- but natural selection research has failed.
Does the thrill of driving an amazing machine have nothing to do with it? Surely, being a peacock is not the full story and to say it is ignores the other variables in the equation.
@guerrillaroach The video is 9 min long, and the book is 100s of pages. Controlling a powerful beast is still a social "win", even if that beast is mechanical. It could be a way males show mental and physical prowess. This builds confidence and is interpreted as a favorable trait to women. One could extend the "peacocking" principle to not only flashing of the tail (fast cars), but also skill, talent, and/or achievement. Because something is fun, doesnt exclude its social usefulness.
Fossil records .... which? Seeing as transitional evidence is nadir.
I personally feel evolutionary psyc. as one of the stronger items of evidence for biological evolution. (Of which too many supporting items of evidence have been found fake or not to support jack)
Most that claim evidence of transitional records, preface: humans define the classifications for life and choose what is what, etc. Otherwise stated, we are using a different classification scheme to make this fit somewhere else.
@MyDormantSoul well, he is talking about an entire book in 10 minutes. Sure there are some jumps, i imagine you would need to read the book to get the entire picture.
@bluefootedpig but see, we arent reading his book, we are being told that he is a scientific expert. Ten minutes is alot of time and a few more sentences would have worked. for example, we are apparantly hard wired to want fast food; advertising is meaningless. Im sure if broccoli was constantly advertised in a visually stimulating manner, pumped full of addictive salts and sugars, and sold at an extremely low price, it would be in high demand. he omits these things.
@MyDormantSoul Yeah, he probably should have explained why evolutionary psychologists think that we are hard wired to want fast food. From what I heard, they say we have an innate preference for foods that are high in proteins, fat and sugar (i.e., most junk foods), because those types of food were better at ensuring survival in primal conditions. This no longer applies to modern conditions in developed societies, but the preference is still there.
@MyDormantSoul That actually isn't true. Our desire for fatty food, comes from a biological for calories, and thus higher calorie density triggers our brain to desire it more. It also is known as food addiction, which you can feel free to google, there are full hour long seminars on the topic, and several of them. It is not a simple subject. Most of our history, we have been struggling to get enough calories, we are now in a time were we no longer need to worry, but now we need more nutrients.
@bluefootedpig then you must also accept that our appetites r influenced by the industrial age. We evolved from more than just caveman appetites for meat, we also gained our appetite for meat from its inexpensive production in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries. They contained large quantities of salt. This is because of its inexpensiveness and its ability to be altered by corn syrup, salt, etc. This desire for fast food is a result of manipulation. there is no human nature, only human adaption
@MyDormantSoul Except if you do not eat meat, say like a vegan, your taste buds will adapt, and start to crave the food it knows. As a vegan, who used to be a large meat eater, I can tell you first hand about how your taste buds will tell you to get the various foods your body needs. If your body only knows of meat, then you will crave it. I have been vegan for 2 years now, and I have no craving for meat. My story is not unique, just about every vegan has the same story.
Until The gov. (the group that uses force) ties you down and forces you to eat meat, you'll be hooked again; its genetic.
j/k. Sure humans are adaptable, And you can get fat from other sources (avocados anyone, darn they are wonderful). Protein too, i feel some people who eat meat and attempt to stop will always be craving FLESH, others will not mind much. Individuals are odd like that.
The real question here is will they want to eat fatty foods for the same reasons /times?
@jetrpg22 even without flesh, which is by far the most calorie dense foods, if you do not flesh, then you will crave things like avocados, or nuts, which are also high in calories. Calorie density is always going to taste better. The question is if you can control the urge to fight the natural instinct to want to consume calories and attempt to balance your diet based on logic, and not emotion. Honestly, I think emotion controls most people's eating habits. Comfort food? always calorie dense.
The video is about Evo psyc. And the speaker addressed how at certain periods of a biological cycle people desire certain foods, wear certain things etc.
You basically repeat my point without adding anything... why would you do that, i hate that (ex. fatty foods).
But the question is ARE the reasons for seeking types of food similar as humans (its bigger than just comfort foods), its about a myriad of bio events/cycles.
@bluefootedpig then you agree with me that there is no human nature. human behaviour is defined by its environment. We arent a complete slave to some prehistoric lineage that needed meat to survive. Hence, I believe this man is flawed in his reasoning. I think he is drawing attention from the fact that advertisers are really, really good at studying people's responses to seeing images on a screen and creating a psychological association with them, probably cuz hes on a right wing show
@MyDormantSoul Even when you do not eat meat to survive, there is still a physiological desire for calorie dense foods. If you eat avocados, or nuts, most people love the taste of them. They are also extremely calorie dense. Yes you can adapt, but in any paradiam you choose, calorie dense foods will always taste better. Hell, look at the most popular chiefs, and they will all contain high levels of butter, cheese, cream, etc.
Humans, among most animals, crave for things salty (like meat) and sweet (like sugar). Salts and sugars are a rarity in nature so it is a physiological desire to find as much as possible. Now that humans have made it easy to get these things it has made most of us fat and sick because the human body isn't designed to handle that much because it evolved in a environment of scarcity. Why am I telling you this? I don't know...felt like writing.
@andywattbulb Lol, so true. In this unprecedented time (what? like 50 years or so?), we have turned diet up on its head. That is why logically if you have a diet you can live a very healthy life. If you run by emotion, aka evolutionary, then you will just get yourself sick. It reminds me of the saying that an unexamined life is not worth living. Now-a-days, an unexamined life is death. Of course we invest new pills and surgery to allow people to keep getting fatter.
@MyDormantSoul vonPeterhof and bluefootedpig gave you good back to back responses. Let ME summarize them. Our human ancestors ate foods that provided calories (protein filled, fatty, sugary and salty foods) which helped them survive. Those who didn't each such foods were out-reproduced by those who did. As a result, the genes underlying these dietary desires (fats, proteins, sugars) were passed on generation after generation until they spread throughout the whole human population.
@MyDormantSoul (And Those Genes Didn't Take Long To Spread Since They Were Of Such Dire Necessity. In Fact, They Were Probably There Before The Advent Of The Homo Sapien Species.) But Now That Technology Has Advanced Greatly (Far Surpassing Any Genetic Changes; We Basically Have The Same Genetic Makeup And Accompanying Biological Drives/Desires That We Had Millions Of Years Ago) We Have Exploited These Drives By Developing Food That Is Heavy On Fatty, Sugary, Salty, Protein Laden Content.
@MyDormantSoul In Other Words, We're Not Born With A Blank Biological Slate That Culture And Social Environment Writes On. The Foundation For Our Biological Drives/Desires/Needs Were Laid Down By Our Ancestors Millions Of Years Ago And Have Been Passed Down Since That Time From Generation To Generation. So When A Child Is Born It's Already Hardwired With Drives/Desires/Needs That Will Help It Survive And Reproduce (These Are Inherited From It's Parents). These Then Interact With It's Environment
@PeeGeeBeeDee please read my comments carefully im not necessarily disagreeing with you, you simply just seem to only incorporate our evolution from a pre-hsitoric perspective and do not take into account the centuries where salt and meat production were very high from 14th to 20th centuries. These centuries, due to chronology, are thus more relevant than our oldest ancestry, our earliest forms of evolution.
@MyDormantSoul If Anything, The Increased Production Of Meat And Salt Proves What I've Stated Before Which Is That We Have These Evolved Biological Desires For Meat, Salt, Etc. And Advertisers And Marketers Create Products That Play On These Innate Desires And Try To Take Advantage Of Them (Even Though There Were No Advertisers Or Marketers [That I Know Of] In The 14th to 20th Century Meat And Salt Producers Were Still Supplying A Demand. A Demand That Was Biologically Driven).
@richardcadbury That's because your biological wiring isn't dependent on others; it is there now, was there when your taste in cars formed, and will be there when it's just you and the roaches (and probably Cher).
Mostly because fat greedy executives imprinted in your brain the importance and value of the Ferrari, through driving it you feel your self-worth, self-actualization, and power; this model is not present in animals. But for a huge part it is a Peacock tail.
@richardcadbury The fact that you'd want a Ferrari even if there was no one to mate with doesn't negate the fact that your desire for the Ferrari is driven by your evolutionarily given desire to be a high status mate.
@richardcadbury I can personally attest that appearances will stop being important after a long enough time in solitude. A Ferrari's ENGINE, however, will continue being useful
@QuartuvLarry We don't live in solitude. And even if we did appearance would still matter. We would STILL have the biological drive/desire to look at symmetrical, proportional, attractive things (the aesthetic appeal would STILL be in us). Millions of years from now, after the ENGINE has stopped working and disintegrated, (and if humans STILL exist) they'll STILL desire an aesthetically appealing person (a symmetrical, proportional, attractive appearing person).
@boredmonkey29 I would suggest to you that if your pet ideology is at odds with evolutionary psychology (hence your assertion that it is bullshit), if is far more likely that it is your ideology that is incorrect. Evolutionary psychology is based on the scientific method. What is your pet theory based on? Wishful thinking perhaps?
I would expect people who reject the notion that humans have evolved to also reject EP....since that is a subset of evolutionary theory. Do you accept that humanity is an evolved species?
@kshackleton I entirely embrace evolutionary theory. But I also have studied psychology. Evolutionary psychology is fraught with methodological problems (few, if any of its claims are testable), it connects dots that can't be connected without raising various alternative interpretations, and it is predicated on a biological reductionism which is doomed at the outset. Do a little bit of research on the field before you go on pretending you're superior to anyone.
I have done plenty of research, thank you very much. It seems to me that most of the claims are testable, since they make predictions. EP is predicated on the fact that we are an evolved species, that the behaviour of all other animals has been clearly molded by evolutionary forces, and that we should expect the same in our species.
Marketing BS justifications.
All this presupposes that all people consume unconsciously forever like sheep.
Maybe it applies to teenagers or idiot elite class morons who never had to gain self control over their unconscious urges.
But it does not apply to most.
I doubt this guy has ever held down a real job in his life and thus understands nothing of reality outside the cossetted surroundings of university life.
sidvidkid 1 month ago
SOMG! I thought men would come and call out in public against sinners WAYYYYyyyyyy beyond this, but it's TIME! When people are against their own people, how can any justifiable thing BE?
Licmycat 1 month ago
I think MALES are more influenced by hormones than WOMEN! WHY? Because our hormones don't lead us in the direction that TESTOSTERONE does MEN!
Licmycat 1 month ago
@Licmycat I think you are wrong. Females today are the driving force behind consumerism. They do everything they can to be pretty on the outside
365to173repubsPWNED 1 month ago
@365to173repubsPWNED Are you a Sociologist?
Licmycat 1 month ago
@Licmycat A learned sociologist? No. Certainly I have observed the world, and while my statement reasoned inductively from anecdotal evidence from my life, I believe it is valid for the most part in contemporary America. While I won't say females are MORE influenced by hormones, I will certainly refute your claim that males are more influenced by there's. Besides I don't see how that is necessarily related to sociology.
365to173repubsPWNED 1 month ago
@365to173repubsPWNED Just curious. It's a high-paid gossip dept. Men aren't more influenced by hormones??? LMAO!!!! What makes men 'Johns' that come down to hooker street and buy BJs from the street-walkers which is technically UNFAITHFULNESS. It's not hormones then just cold-blooded meanness that shows no human feelings or morals at all? I thought sex was ruled by hormones. So, what do u think rules it?
Licmycat 1 month ago
@Licmycat I think your premise is wrong. You seem to equate hormones with sex drive; that's a bit too facile. I'll admit, male hormones often manifest themselves as desiring sex. However I think female hormones don't drive them towards sex per se, but making themselves attractive and/or emotional during their cycle. You can't sit there and say they don't spend insane amounts of time buying make up, clothes, dieting, et cetera to make themselves pretty. They think about that so fucking much.
365to173repubsPWNED 1 month ago
@365to173repubsPWNED LMAO! Go get a sex book. I don't care to explain it to a man I don't go to bed with.
Licmycat 1 month ago
@Licmycat Ha, don't flatter yourself. I'm attracted to wisdom in women, and thusly not you. If you think men's hormones manifest themselves in similar ways to women just more profoundly....then you're smoking crack.
365to173repubsPWNED 1 month ago
@365to173repubsPWNED I see you're only twelve yrs. old little bully. I'd take a baseball bat to ur head and shoulders if you talked disrespectfully to my face like that. Little coward. Go home to ur momee, I hear her calling you.
Licmycat 1 month ago
@Licmycat I marvel at the fact that you can threaten hitting people on the head with a baseball bat while calling others 12 year olds. The irony is beyond hilarious.
365to173repubsPWNED 1 month ago
DON'T EAT no beef if you don't KNOW the salesmen......!!
Licmycat 1 month ago
LMAO@@~~!!!!!..... shall u teach me? LMAO!!!!!!
Licmycat 1 month ago
They use psychologists to manipulate people thru advertising too. That's a violation of rights.
Licmycat 2 months ago
@Licmycat Well then it's a violation that your brain is so gullible :P
blacktigerpaw1 1 month ago
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Licmycat 1 month ago
Yeah. People need to stop watching t.v. and their commercials. I hope the future generations learn it's a brainwashing technique started on kids to control their minds.
Licmycat 2 months ago
We are programed from a young age to value these things, through advertizing. Yes, they are part of our nature, but not the ONLY part -and not the best...
pantheon777 2 months ago
agree with most of it. there must be some biological influences but mostly due to social/environmental influences.
Streety101101 3 months ago
@MicahBuzan @PeeGeeBeeDee stop beefing
arthurex 3 months ago
@arthurex I'll Give You Sum Beef.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@MicahBuzan Hey My Socialist, Hispanic (Most Likely South American) Friend, You're Either MEXICAN Or ARGENTINIAN Or CHILEAN, Huh? (Please Answer Honestly.)
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee I'm Human, just like you.
MicahBuzan 3 months ago
Please, never again use that intro/outro music.
MrPaulSomebody 3 months ago
@PeeGeeDee
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rhetoricmonkey 3 months ago
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PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
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For Instance, When A Female Sees Me Strolling Down The Street Or Riding The Bus She Unconsciously Thinks To Herself, "Look At This Lower Class, Low Income, Low Status, Loner, Loser." We're A Status Conscious Species, Folkz, And That's How We Perceive Those Without Status Symbols (Or Those Who Possess Symbols Of Lesser Status).
Rightly So Though. Often Times Those Are Accurate Assessments.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
The One Thing That Can TRUMP These Innate Tendencies (These Innate Female Tendencies For Men Of Status And Wealth) Are Good Genes, Which Can Be Indicated By A Number Of Things, Chief Among Them Symmetry And Proportion (Or Physical Attraction). So Though A Male May Not Be Able To Trigger The Parts Of Her Brain That Are Tuned To Status Symbols, Positional Goods, Etc (Those Things Which Denote Status) He Can Trigger The Parts Of Her Brain That Are Tuned To Physical Attraction And WIN Her That Way.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
Men use expensive cars to display their social status to women because women are attracted to high-status males. (The Consuming Instinct)
Females Are Attracted To Wealthy Males Of High Social Status. Males Are Attracted To Youthful, Physically Attractive Females In The Prime Of Their Reproductive Years. We Typically Don't Deviate From These Genetically Inherited Predilictions And Proclivities When Choosing A Mate.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
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PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee What you have stated is often true in a society that promotes such a psychology, but these patterns behavior are not genetically predetermined in humans. Yes, we are preconditioned to inapt certain behaviors. Men may be genetically preconditioned to violence thanks to testosterone, but a genetic precondition is not the same as a predetermination. Humans have the ability to learn and modify their behavior and to think critically about one's choices.
MicahBuzan 3 months ago
@MicahBuzan Note: sorry for the misspellings.
MicahBuzan 3 months ago
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PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@MicahBuzan Unschooled Person In The Field Of Evolutionary Psychology Let ME Rebut Your Argument Starting With This: REGARDLESS OF WHAT SOCIETY YOU'RE BORN AND RAISED IN, THE INGRAINED, INHERITED, INNATE PSYCHOLOGICAL PREDISPOSITIONS, PROCLIVITIES, PREDILECTIONS, PENCHANTS, TENDENCIES, Etc. That Humans (Specifically AFRICANS) Evolved In AFRICA Hundreds Of Thousands Of Years Ago Will Be With You When You're Born And When You Die (It'll Be Apart Of Your Genetic Makeup).
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee Note to all Internet users: Typing in all caps doesn't prove your point, it just makes you look like an idiot.
MicahBuzan 3 months ago
@MicahBuzan NOTE To DUMB HISPANIC: Trying To Debate ME Is A Losing Battle, Especially When You Don't Know What The Fuck You're Talking About.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@MicahBuzan The Society You're Born And Raised In Either Further Promotes These INNATE PSYCHOLOGICAL PREDISPOSITIONS Or Demotes Them. For Instance, MALES Have An INNATE PSYCHOLOGICAL PREDISPOSITION To Be Attracted To Young, Beautiful Women (Symmetrical Women With A .68 To .72 Waist To Hip Ratio). So Regardless Of What Society A Male's Born And Raised In, They'll Find Women That Fall In This Category Attractive (They're Psychologically Predisposed To).
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@MicahBuzan Por Ejemplo WE In America Highly Value Symmetrical Females With Waist To Hip Ratios Anywhere From .68 To .72. Why? Because WE'RE Ingrained To, But Also Because American Society Places A High Value On Females That Fall In This Category (These Females Are Placed On A Pedestal, Praised And Paraded In Front Of The Viewing World [Including Your Little Nothing Ass Country Whose Dictators Get Off To Them], So WE'RE Further Socialized To Value, Covet, And Desire Such Women).
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee Thanks for the good laugh. Man, you just love filling your brain with bullshit statistics don't you?
MicahBuzan 3 months ago
@MicahBuzan Face The Facts. This Is Reality. Your High School And Junior College Education Didn't Expose You To Such Truths (They Taught You Some Outdated Bullshit That's No Longer Relevant Or Applicable To Real Life. Luckily I'm Here To Do So. Soak It All Up My HISPANIC, SOCIALIST FRIEND. By The Way, Where You At? Cuz A Nigga Wanna Get His Dicc Succ. How Bout You Tie Tha Long Hair Of YO's Bacc And Succ Uh Nigga Off?
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee There isn't an intelligent thought in that brain of yours is there? Nothing but ad-hominen attacks and curse words? I'm done talking with you.
MicahBuzan 3 months ago
@MicahBuzan Succ Uh Nigga Dicc Rite Off The Popsicle Stick. Uh Nigga Don't Even Want It No Moe! Matter Fact, Uh Nigga Don't Even Need It NoMo!
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee shut up
MrPimmetjepom 3 months ago
@MrPimmetjepom Put Uh PomPom Up YA Butt.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@MrPimmetjepom And Then Succ Uh Nigga Dicc Off Rite Befoe Kicc Off!
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@MrPimmetjepom I Know You Know You Wanna Succ The Nigga DiCC!
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
@MicahBuzan I'm Tired Of This Thang Mayne. It Been Nothin' But Trouble Since Day One, Been Nothin' But Uh Burden. So Do ME A Favor And Succ This Thang Rite The Fucc Off And Then Swallow It Cuz I Don't Eva Wanna See This Thang Again.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@MicahBuzan Cum On Mic, I Know You Wanna Succ The Nigga Dicc.
PeeGeeBeeDee 2 months ago
...the two sexes engage in radically different forms of sexual signaling as a means of drawing attention to themselves. Innumerable women can be seen strolling the downtown streets in scantily clad attire as an equally impressive number of men appear to be driving aimlessly around the same downtown blocks in souped-up cars, with the windows rolled down and music blasting... (The Consuming Instinct)
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
untrue, a peackock's tail isn't human-made
AdVader 3 months ago
Some Of What I've Written Below, Specifically That Which Concerns Reckless Driving May Be A Little Hypothetical But The General Idea Is Fairly Accurate.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
Reminding teenage males of the death-defying nature of reckless driving is a poor strategy, as young men engage in such acts precisely because it is a COSTLY and hence Honest SIGNAL of their courage ("I faced death and came out unscathed, while some do not"). (The Consuming Instinct)
So Just As An Expensive, Ostentatious Car Signals That You Have The Wealth To Afford One (Or At Least Pretend You Do), Reckless Driving Signals That You Can Take Risks Without Suffering Negative Consequences.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
This Jew is right on. Refreshing Kosher interview.
1ASHKENAZI 3 months ago 2
@1ASHKENAZI Thank You.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
I think the themes that are presented are in reference to the general populations. i.e. Just because I know 100 women who are taller than 100 men, doesn't mean that it refutes the fact that the average height of men is greater than that of women.
I think we can apply this to a lot of the arguments he is presenting. Furthermore, I believe that he is aware of this; it simply didn't come up in the interview.
My extrapolation of the general idea here: survival, reproduction, kin, reciprocity.
You?
ZLMG987 3 months ago
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rhetoricmonkey 3 months ago
@MyDormantSoul OK. Let's Go Over This Again. The Fundamental Drives/Desires/Needs That Humans Evolved Millions To Hundreds Of Thousands Of Years Ago In Africa Are STILL With Us Today. To Put It Another Way, The Groundwork For What Makes Us Human Both Mentally And Physically Was Laid Down Long Before The 14th to 20th century. So Meat And Salt Production May Have Increased During Those Times, But That Didn't Change Our Evolved, Genetically Inherited Desire For Meat And Salt.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
''you can't get 6.8 billion people to change. Those few people who do respond to the dire conditions of the future - journalists, environmentalists, behavioral scientists -tend not to be powerful,'' he said. ''So, we go to the powerful people: leaders in religion, government and industry. But these people are concerned (responding) with the present; the Pope is interested in saving souls, the governors in re-election and the tycoons in profits.''
rhetoricmonkey 3 months ago
Advertisers are using the likes of this guys data without heed to health but with the same genetic predisposition of conditioning only theirs (advertisers) is in response to profits. I wonder if Modern Warfare 3 has increased the sales of Mountain Dew and Doritos by offering double XP with the purchase of select products. What's more is I wonder how many of these consumers will consider diabetes as a result of their behavior before of after it is to late.
rhetoricmonkey 3 months ago
I wonder how many 'evil advertising execs' took some form psychology in college. B. F. Skinner was saying humans behave according to a genetic predisposition to conditioned responses more than 60 years ago. We respond to what we have learned is reinforcing. Some men may respond to a Prius the way his Ferrari pilots have, depending on the woman and other contingencies that they've been exposed to. Women could just about save the world. ;)
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PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
What a kwack :D such utter nonsense
DeliCiousTZM 3 months ago
It looks like this guy has had one too many juicy burgers.
Nexus974 3 months ago
Men's peocock tail: Porsche
Women's peocock tail: Being slutty
TakisAthensGr 3 months ago
Booooooo!
windsock777 3 months ago
Very interesting video.
heiden6 3 months ago
Great video, thanks ReasonTV!
PLooBzor 3 months ago
How does this prove that advertising's role in creating consumerism is wrong?
eirefrance 3 months ago
ignores free will
Virtueman1 3 months ago
This is pure propaganda. Or sheer ignorance.
World media is controlled by a small group of people who dictate what is, and is not, pushed upon the general population.
Edward Bernays really found a customer for his subtle brainwashing techniques in Hollywood and Madison Avenue.
Love to see this idiot study what values drive a society which does NOT permit TV to glorify and push consumerism, soft porn, and moral ambiguity upon its members 24/7.
Nom. TV-free 5 years now, and counting.
nameofthepen 3 months ago
@nameofthepen are you willing to bet your house, car and everything you have in your bank account on that?
clikityclankz 3 months ago
@clikityclankz - On what.? I said several things. Be specific, please.
nameofthepen 3 months ago
@nameofthepen
TV-free but plenty of Internet access!
warmongeringhippie 3 months ago
@warmongeringhippie - Apples and oranges.
nameofthepen 3 months ago
I'm a somewhat attractive young woman an I couldn't give a sh*t about a ferrari. All I can think is "insecure person that has paid way to much for a machine whose function is getting you from point A to point B". Ferrari's, Harlequin romances, menstrual zombies....who are these women?
andywattbulb 3 months ago
@andywattbulb You are an exception. Most women are more attracted to men of means than they are lazy SOBs who watch TV all day.
Panpiper 3 months ago
@Panpiper Well that has more to do with character than with what you own.
andywattbulb 3 months ago
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I'd say your choice of Apparel is more reflective of a birds plumage than the car you drive...
Cars tend to be about speed and performance, sure they're exotic... but their looks conform to aerodynamics more than aesthetics.(the aerodynamic form does have it's appeal tho...)
DackIsBack 3 months ago
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DackIsBack 3 months ago
Isn't that funny to make analogies with peacocks? You know, since guys with fancy sports cars are usually compensating for their "Pea-sized Cocks"
sensibuddz 3 months ago
@sensibuddz Says the guy without a Ferrari.
Panpiper 3 months ago
@Panpiper i can honestly say i would never own one, it's for those who need to stroke their egos in this way. i've found that helping others with that amount of money would bring far greater reward than a ferrari
sensibuddz 3 months ago
@sensibuddz Whether you have a large or small penis doesn't matter. The analogy with a Peacock goes as such: To grow an elaborate and attractive Peacock Tail you must have genes that allow you to be resistant to disease (so their tail grows well and doesn't fade) and genes that allow you to avoid predators attracted to the tail. Such a tail signals to Peahens that the Peacock possessing it has GOOD GENES. Similarly, guys that drive fancy sports cars are saying to females I HAVE GOOD GENES.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
To be exact, Guys are unconsciously saying to females (when they're driving one) , "Look at me. I have enough wealth (resources) to afford a car like this. The cost of it doesn't affect me as much as it would someone that isn't as wealthy." Which boils down to, "I have phenotypic traits such as high intelligence, ambition, industriousness, social skills to make enough money to buy a car like this."
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
The Peacock's tail, however, is a better indicator of genes because it's development is almost entirely under the control of The Peacock's genes whereas the buying of a fancy car is partly dependent on the buyer's genes and partly dependent on the buyers social circumstances (non-genetic factors). So the fancy car is less of a reflection of the owner's genes than the Peacock's Tail (the car is an extended phenotype [an extension of the owner's genes] and the tail is a direct phenotypic trait).
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@sensibuddz So getting back to your original statement, whether you're a man with a large penis or a small penis you're STILL going to want to signal to the opposite sex that you have good genes (that you are a wealthy, high status male). And one way to do this is to drive a flashy, expensive car.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee More akin to a brid making a fancy nest with shiny and novel items to attract a mate.
eleseur 3 months ago
@eleseur Yes, Very Akin. That Would Be A Better Analogy Than Than Peacock Analogy (The Bower Bird Analogy, That Is). Both Are Examples Of Extended Phenotypes.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
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PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
Did anyone else think this guy looks like George Washington?
ThomasHawkwood 3 months ago
@ThomasHawkwood Yes. I See That.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
What a dick.
Has anyone here ever driven a fast car? Personally I couldn't care less how it looks when I'm driving it, Its how it feels to go fast and on the edge of control that excites us.
Not whether we can use a car that cost more than most people's houses to get laid.
EIiott 3 months ago
@EIiott
Really?
fyte4it 3 months ago
@EIiott Whether you drive a junky car fast or an expensive car slow you're STILL using your car to get laid. You driving a junky car fast (and doing it well) is saying to the opposite sex that you have good enough genes to drive a car at a dangerous speed without crashing. In other words, "Look at me. I'm a risk taker that has good eye hand coordination and reflexes. So good that I can successfully handle a car at high speeds." (See below for what driving an expensive car says.)
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
If it's not about pot, it's about Evolution/Atheism. This is why Libertarianism will never gain ground.
This isn't NEWS.
Unsubscribed <--- the free market working :)
mcoop221 3 months ago
Is Reason serious abot the evidence? Fossil record evidence collapsed in the 1930s. Genetic manipulation works scientifically -- but natural selection research has failed.
pkpapers 3 months ago
Wow! so I'm a survivalist because I like juicy burgers, not just my stockpile of food, guns, bullets and medical supplies.
it explains so much...
TacticalCitySlicker 3 months ago
A+ for the dude knowing Sir Mix-A-Lot
kev3d 3 months ago
I disagree
abeismain 3 months ago
Does the thrill of driving an amazing machine have nothing to do with it? Surely, being a peacock is not the full story and to say it is ignores the other variables in the equation.
guerrillaroach 3 months ago
@guerrillaroach The video is 9 min long, and the book is 100s of pages. Controlling a powerful beast is still a social "win", even if that beast is mechanical. It could be a way males show mental and physical prowess. This builds confidence and is interpreted as a favorable trait to women. One could extend the "peacocking" principle to not only flashing of the tail (fast cars), but also skill, talent, and/or achievement. Because something is fun, doesnt exclude its social usefulness.
aseredy 3 months ago
@aseredy; does this then explain the phenomenom in females as well? Do females peacock as well?
guerrillaroach 3 months ago
Fossil records .... which? Seeing as transitional evidence is nadir.
I personally feel evolutionary psyc. as one of the stronger items of evidence for biological evolution. (Of which too many supporting items of evidence have been found fake or not to support jack)
Most that claim evidence of transitional records, preface: humans define the classifications for life and choose what is what, etc. Otherwise stated, we are using a different classification scheme to make this fit somewhere else.
jetrpg22 3 months ago
@jetrpg22 I dig it. Would love to chat more.
Cleopas82 3 months ago
@jetrpg22 Do you understand what you're saying? because I don't understand what you're saying.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
this interview is friggen fascinating. good job reason. great topic, great questions, great answers from an intelligent guest. A+ reason
tmac9938 3 months ago
more psychobabble bullsh*t
elricmlbone 3 months ago
You're better off with cognitive neuroscience. I recommend Brain Bugs by Dean Buonomano.
KenMacMillan 3 months ago
ReasonTV, see if you can get an interview with Dean Buonomano.
KenMacMillan 3 months ago 2
Nothing can be with Christ because there is no Christ
johammbass 3 months ago
I like big butts and I cannot lie..! Class!
anafael1 3 months ago
There is no reason without Christ.
theapollomoonlanding 3 months ago
men like women
women like men with power
power corrupts the best of men and women
deshaebeasley 3 months ago
there are some leaps in logic here
MyDormantSoul 3 months ago
@MyDormantSoul well, he is talking about an entire book in 10 minutes. Sure there are some jumps, i imagine you would need to read the book to get the entire picture.
bluefootedpig 3 months ago
@bluefootedpig but see, we arent reading his book, we are being told that he is a scientific expert. Ten minutes is alot of time and a few more sentences would have worked. for example, we are apparantly hard wired to want fast food; advertising is meaningless. Im sure if broccoli was constantly advertised in a visually stimulating manner, pumped full of addictive salts and sugars, and sold at an extremely low price, it would be in high demand. he omits these things.
MyDormantSoul 3 months ago
@MyDormantSoul Yeah, he probably should have explained why evolutionary psychologists think that we are hard wired to want fast food. From what I heard, they say we have an innate preference for foods that are high in proteins, fat and sugar (i.e., most junk foods), because those types of food were better at ensuring survival in primal conditions. This no longer applies to modern conditions in developed societies, but the preference is still there.
vonPeterhof 3 months ago
@MyDormantSoul That actually isn't true. Our desire for fatty food, comes from a biological for calories, and thus higher calorie density triggers our brain to desire it more. It also is known as food addiction, which you can feel free to google, there are full hour long seminars on the topic, and several of them. It is not a simple subject. Most of our history, we have been struggling to get enough calories, we are now in a time were we no longer need to worry, but now we need more nutrients.
bluefootedpig 3 months ago
@bluefootedpig then you must also accept that our appetites r influenced by the industrial age. We evolved from more than just caveman appetites for meat, we also gained our appetite for meat from its inexpensive production in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries. They contained large quantities of salt. This is because of its inexpensiveness and its ability to be altered by corn syrup, salt, etc. This desire for fast food is a result of manipulation. there is no human nature, only human adaption
MyDormantSoul 3 months ago
@MyDormantSoul Except if you do not eat meat, say like a vegan, your taste buds will adapt, and start to crave the food it knows. As a vegan, who used to be a large meat eater, I can tell you first hand about how your taste buds will tell you to get the various foods your body needs. If your body only knows of meat, then you will crave it. I have been vegan for 2 years now, and I have no craving for meat. My story is not unique, just about every vegan has the same story.
bluefootedpig 3 months ago
@bluefootedpig
Until The gov. (the group that uses force) ties you down and forces you to eat meat, you'll be hooked again; its genetic.
j/k. Sure humans are adaptable, And you can get fat from other sources (avocados anyone, darn they are wonderful). Protein too, i feel some people who eat meat and attempt to stop will always be craving FLESH, others will not mind much. Individuals are odd like that.
The real question here is will they want to eat fatty foods for the same reasons /times?
jetrpg22 3 months ago
@jetrpg22 even without flesh, which is by far the most calorie dense foods, if you do not flesh, then you will crave things like avocados, or nuts, which are also high in calories. Calorie density is always going to taste better. The question is if you can control the urge to fight the natural instinct to want to consume calories and attempt to balance your diet based on logic, and not emotion. Honestly, I think emotion controls most people's eating habits. Comfort food? always calorie dense.
bluefootedpig 3 months ago
@bluefootedpig
No shit? (thats sarcasm)
The video is about Evo psyc. And the speaker addressed how at certain periods of a biological cycle people desire certain foods, wear certain things etc.
You basically repeat my point without adding anything... why would you do that, i hate that (ex. fatty foods).
But the question is ARE the reasons for seeking types of food similar as humans (its bigger than just comfort foods), its about a myriad of bio events/cycles.
Individuals always beat always.
jetrpg22 3 months ago
@bluefootedpig then you agree with me that there is no human nature. human behaviour is defined by its environment. We arent a complete slave to some prehistoric lineage that needed meat to survive. Hence, I believe this man is flawed in his reasoning. I think he is drawing attention from the fact that advertisers are really, really good at studying people's responses to seeing images on a screen and creating a psychological association with them, probably cuz hes on a right wing show
MyDormantSoul 3 months ago
@MyDormantSoul Even when you do not eat meat to survive, there is still a physiological desire for calorie dense foods. If you eat avocados, or nuts, most people love the taste of them. They are also extremely calorie dense. Yes you can adapt, but in any paradiam you choose, calorie dense foods will always taste better. Hell, look at the most popular chiefs, and they will all contain high levels of butter, cheese, cream, etc.
bluefootedpig 3 months ago
@bluefootedpig
Humans, among most animals, crave for things salty (like meat) and sweet (like sugar). Salts and sugars are a rarity in nature so it is a physiological desire to find as much as possible. Now that humans have made it easy to get these things it has made most of us fat and sick because the human body isn't designed to handle that much because it evolved in a environment of scarcity. Why am I telling you this? I don't know...felt like writing.
andywattbulb 3 months ago
@andywattbulb Lol, so true. In this unprecedented time (what? like 50 years or so?), we have turned diet up on its head. That is why logically if you have a diet you can live a very healthy life. If you run by emotion, aka evolutionary, then you will just get yourself sick. It reminds me of the saying that an unexamined life is not worth living. Now-a-days, an unexamined life is death. Of course we invest new pills and surgery to allow people to keep getting fatter.
bluefootedpig 3 months ago
@MyDormantSoul vonPeterhof and bluefootedpig gave you good back to back responses. Let ME summarize them. Our human ancestors ate foods that provided calories (protein filled, fatty, sugary and salty foods) which helped them survive. Those who didn't each such foods were out-reproduced by those who did. As a result, the genes underlying these dietary desires (fats, proteins, sugars) were passed on generation after generation until they spread throughout the whole human population.
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PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@MyDormantSoul (And Those Genes Didn't Take Long To Spread Since They Were Of Such Dire Necessity. In Fact, They Were Probably There Before The Advent Of The Homo Sapien Species.) But Now That Technology Has Advanced Greatly (Far Surpassing Any Genetic Changes; We Basically Have The Same Genetic Makeup And Accompanying Biological Drives/Desires That We Had Millions Of Years Ago) We Have Exploited These Drives By Developing Food That Is Heavy On Fatty, Sugary, Salty, Protein Laden Content.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@MyDormantSoul In Other Words, We're Not Born With A Blank Biological Slate That Culture And Social Environment Writes On. The Foundation For Our Biological Drives/Desires/Needs Were Laid Down By Our Ancestors Millions Of Years Ago And Have Been Passed Down Since That Time From Generation To Generation. So When A Child Is Born It's Already Hardwired With Drives/Desires/Needs That Will Help It Survive And Reproduce (These Are Inherited From It's Parents). These Then Interact With It's Environment
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@PeeGeeBeeDee please read my comments carefully im not necessarily disagreeing with you, you simply just seem to only incorporate our evolution from a pre-hsitoric perspective and do not take into account the centuries where salt and meat production were very high from 14th to 20th centuries. These centuries, due to chronology, are thus more relevant than our oldest ancestry, our earliest forms of evolution.
MyDormantSoul 3 months ago
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PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
@MyDormantSoul If Anything, The Increased Production Of Meat And Salt Proves What I've Stated Before Which Is That We Have These Evolved Biological Desires For Meat, Salt, Etc. And Advertisers And Marketers Create Products That Play On These Innate Desires And Try To Take Advantage Of Them (Even Though There Were No Advertisers Or Marketers [That I Know Of] In The 14th to 20th Century Meat And Salt Producers Were Still Supplying A Demand. A Demand That Was Biologically Driven).
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
Oh Wait, There Were Advertisers And Marketers In The 20th Century.
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
Awesome talk, but I can't imagine (from the female singers) an Urdu, or Renaissance-era song saying 'broke dudes need not approach me.'
:P
tygerk 3 months ago
Interdasting stuff!
Mastikator 3 months ago
love it
tmac9938 3 months ago
Now this is what I watch Reason for.
philbelanger2 3 months ago
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theneedledrop 3 months ago
If I were the last person on earth, and noone else could see me driving it, I'd still want a Ferrari.
Peacock tail indeed...
richardcadbury 3 months ago 26
@richardcadbury That's because your biological wiring isn't dependent on others; it is there now, was there when your taste in cars formed, and will be there when it's just you and the roaches (and probably Cher).
032125 3 months ago
@richardcadbury Depends on which one. Ferrari 458, not necessarily a peacock tail. Any other Ferrari, definitely a peacock tail.
JaySee5 3 months ago
@richardcadbury
Mostly because fat greedy executives imprinted in your brain the importance and value of the Ferrari, through driving it you feel your self-worth, self-actualization, and power; this model is not present in animals. But for a huge part it is a Peacock tail.
Suiton1 3 months ago
@richardcadbury The fact that you'd want a Ferrari even if there was no one to mate with doesn't negate the fact that your desire for the Ferrari is driven by your evolutionarily given desire to be a high status mate.
orbenn 3 months ago
@richardcadbury I can personally attest that appearances will stop being important after a long enough time in solitude. A Ferrari's ENGINE, however, will continue being useful
QuartuvLarry 3 months ago
@QuartuvLarry We don't live in solitude. And even if we did appearance would still matter. We would STILL have the biological drive/desire to look at symmetrical, proportional, attractive things (the aesthetic appeal would STILL be in us). Millions of years from now, after the ENGINE has stopped working and disintegrated, (and if humans STILL exist) they'll STILL desire an aesthetically appealing person (a symmetrical, proportional, attractive appearing person).
PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
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PeeGeeBeeDee 3 months ago
Quite interesting. Is this an interesting field to look into?
natepepin09 3 months ago
What is Ezra Klein doing at Reason?!
badgenome 3 months ago
Top notch work
dubified89 3 months ago
Evolutionary psychology is bullshit.
boredmonkey29 3 months ago
@boredmonkey29
top notch analysis Watson.
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@boredmonkey29 Evolutionary psychology is not bullshit, at least BS is useful as fertilizer.
XCritonX 3 months ago
@boredmonkey29 I would suggest to you that if your pet ideology is at odds with evolutionary psychology (hence your assertion that it is bullshit), if is far more likely that it is your ideology that is incorrect. Evolutionary psychology is based on the scientific method. What is your pet theory based on? Wishful thinking perhaps?
Panpiper 3 months ago
@boredmonkey29 have you studied it?
waksibra 3 months ago
@boredmonkey29
I would expect people who reject the notion that humans have evolved to also reject EP....since that is a subset of evolutionary theory. Do you accept that humanity is an evolved species?
kshackleton 3 months ago
@kshackleton I entirely embrace evolutionary theory. But I also have studied psychology. Evolutionary psychology is fraught with methodological problems (few, if any of its claims are testable), it connects dots that can't be connected without raising various alternative interpretations, and it is predicated on a biological reductionism which is doomed at the outset. Do a little bit of research on the field before you go on pretending you're superior to anyone.
boredmonkey29 3 months ago
@boredmonkey29
I have done plenty of research, thank you very much. It seems to me that most of the claims are testable, since they make predictions. EP is predicated on the fact that we are an evolved species, that the behaviour of all other animals has been clearly molded by evolutionary forces, and that we should expect the same in our species.
kshackleton 3 months ago
@boredmonkey29
Oh, and I was not pretending to be superior at all. I simply asked you a question.
kshackleton 3 months ago
Great Interview Zach! Wonderful questions!
eagleeye1975 3 months ago
first!
Pentazoid111 3 months ago
@Pentazoid111 Idiot!
ogrish84 3 months ago