The Face of Jesus- The Shroud of Turin Pt. 2 of 6

[DJibby1]

Q. Do muslims believe in Jesus Christ ? A. Believing in Jesus and all other prophets of God is a fundamental part of muslim faith. Muslims believe that Jesus is the son of Virgin Mary, and he had no father. God created Jesus and he is a prophet IE saying he is god. Or the son of god is a major sin in Islam

[TheMediakira]

@MultiStarkindustries I'm glad your paying attention to me. Although, the scriptures you gave me. I have read them as soon as you brought them up. They didn't actually say if the shroud here on the show is fake. It just states that the cloth sits there and was still laying it it's place.

[MultiStarkindustries]

@TheMediakira Actually, it says John and Peter saw the 'strips' of cloth - plural. The 1st century jewish burial tradition was almost akin to mummification in the way the body was wrapped. Secondly, John goes on to say how the cloth used to wrap the head was a separate piece - most likely the talit. This would debunk the shroud by itself.

[lewisfaldo]

god is amazing everyone get that into your head the proof for god is substantial i think we are all being selfish to him that we need to keep asking him for proof the only thing he waqnts is a relationship with you and to guide you not for you to be blastfomous toward him because this is a sign

[lewisfaldo]

heheh then if it was a painting the scientists with this advanced technology would have discovered it but they clearly know its not a painting, and now scientists believe it is the shroud of christ but not certain and if it is then that face is the face of the ressurected christ, i think this is a sign from god that he is the one and only treu god as his son jesus if this is his face has stunned scientists and they just can't seem to work it out

[TheMediakira]

I don't see any false information within the shroud. Because of all that has happened in the Bible that was claimed. Is all over that shroud. There is no way that this shroud is fake. And with all the info that it was giving from the computer data is interesting. It has grabbed my attention. I've been a Christian my whole life. Seeing this show to the end. I truly believe this is genuine. When the image is fused the way it is. I know my Shepard when I see Him. Praise the Lord, I know His face.

[MultiStarkindustries]

@TheMediakira The Gospel of John, Chapter 20 v 4-7.  The Shroud is a fake.

[alfaromeoash]

jaques demolay the last templar grand master

[DRUMCORPKID19]

People are friggen sad. This is amaizng. jesus or not, religious or not, this is amazing and should be watched. No one is saying anything against jesus or religion. Just watch it, be in awe and shut the hell up!

[zeustruth]

Shroud of Turin is a fake created by famous master Giotto, claims Italian art expert, you can google this fact yourself, your jesus is a fake never existed, the true god of gods is zeus you bastards stole pagan religion and twist it around suit your needs, i can back these facts with proof, enough said.

[AntichristComes]

@zeustruth The Shroud of Turin is above an art expert's pay grade, since the Shroud is not a painting of any kind. Since you insist on sticking Zeus as some kind legit argument, I can see you're not serious...

[boazandjiacinth]

@zeustruth i hope you will accept the LORD JESUS CHRIST before it is too late. I do not know if the shroud is real or not, but i do know that not only is there a GOD, but it is the very GOD that is Christianity. Next june,21st the antichrist will be revealed for being just that. obama is the son of perdition.. the mayan lie will be the excuse for the HOLY RAPTURE, and how that vile thing will convince the world to follow "it" to war, and suffer eternal torment of fire in hell. may GOD BLESS U.

[jordan4ever100]

@zeustruth Lay off GodOFWar ya its a wonderful game but come on your Stupid...enought said.

[LVEMEDO]

@zeustruth OH Well so why are you bothering to leave a comment Thats right you have Zeus free speech

[RandomlyAnimated]

@zeustruth Lmao there is only one God my friend. Zeus is a mystical fairytale.

[lewisfaldo]

@zeustruth haha why would i listen to you you fuking bafoon you don't even know what you are on about zeus is a fairytale and you are deluded my friend grow the fuck up and stop being a wee poof about this if this is jesus then u are in for the biggest shock of your life you dirty little athiest you push me to swear at you because you know nothing

[krnbboyprd]

@zeustruth No, you are absolutely wrong. As a historian and a bible scholar what you say is incorrect. If you have done research you will understand that mythology came after Jewish/Christian Faith. Look at history. Babylon came before the Greek empire and the Babylonians conquered Jerusalem which is talked about in Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Daniel. Their is also talk in Genesis written by Moses who talks about fallen angels and that is where you get a lot of other Gods through Mythology.

[krnbboyprd]

@zeustruth I have a PHD in antiquity history and a scholar in the bible. I believe your facts are wrong and you should absolutely do more research before you make such a claim. Even the Roman empire which has their Gods talked about the crucifixion of Jesus. Countless artifacts through archeology that proves the existent of God and his Son Jesus Christ. Just because you pulled something from Google does not mean it's fact. Do research fro 40 years then you can talk to me about what is fact.

[krnbboyprd]

@zeustruth I would seek your answers with God, and also study the bible. I do have one question for you. Have you read the bible from front to back? Do you understand what it says and teaches? If you have I have many question for you which most people who have read the bible would know and be able to answer. If you have not then it is hard to take your argument serious when you yourself have not read what the word of God says. Remember, you must understand what the word says.

[Seigu007]

You fucking atheists dont deserve God. You deserve to be destroyed with impunity.

[LifeGivesMeMelons]

@Seigu007 why do you act as if you are superior? The bible teaches not to judge, and to love your enemies. Are to doing that by swearing and telling people who don't believe that they need to be destroyed, absolutely not. Maybe you could convince non-believers (like myself) to believe and to have more respect for your beliefs if you learn to act in a way that doesn't suggest that you are a all knowing god worshiper. "Let the one without sin throw the first stone." Sound familiar?

[AntichristComes]

@Seigu007 You're certainly not a Christian... and more than likely, an atheist troll, going about giving Christianity a bad name.

[SABLOSKY1]

and i dont go on atheist websites

[SABLOSKY1]

thats my fault i meant to type 2000. Horus was born Dec.25, to a virgin, three kings followed a star in the east, he was known as the king of kings and the lamb of god. he healed the sick and walked on water. He had 12 disciples, he was crucified, and three days later rose from the dead, this is recorded 3000 years before Jesus! This is an idea that spread to India, Persia, Greece and many other countries. Christianity is just another in a long line. Only this one stuck.

[AntichristComes]

@SABLOSKY1 Prophecies about Jesus virgin birth, visit by kings, and being the Messiah sent by God, was all prophesied in the Holy Scriptures 1000s of yrs. before Jesus was ever born. No doubt, many cultures knew the story and wanted the Messiah to be their Messiah and made up the own stories to match it.

Throughout the Old Testament, prophesies about the coming Messiah is told... thousands of yrs. before His birth. It wouldn't be very hard for cultures to try and copy it.

[AntichristComes]

@SABLOSKY1 No need bringing up the Dec. 25th birth or THREE kings... they are nowhere in the Holy Bible. that's a clue, that their stories were made up after the fact.

[SABLOSKY1]

@AntichristComes IT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE JESUS'S TIME! Your religion just took parts of that myth and used them just like every other religion!

[AntichristComes]

@SABLOSKY1 What was written before Jesus' time? The Horus Story or all the Bible prophecies in the Old Testament about Jesus, the coming Messiah? Either way, it wouldn't be too hard for someone who had lived 100s of yrs. before Jesus' birth, to copy prophesies from the Old Testament to create their own little Messiah/God story.

[zeustruth]

@AntichristComes i can tell you this much, Zeus and the rest of the gods was befor the so called jesus which didnt even have the J in his name back then til 400 years, another fact that christianty stole Pagan religion to suit their needs which days of the week, months and holidays are Pagan. including wedding rings so on, how did meds/doctors came to be? pagans made that as well, they was seeking herbs to cure a cold or a wound or illnesses back in the days (look at burning times) for example.

[AntichristComes]

@zeustruth Actually Jesus is the English form of Yeshuah... and Yeshuah is mentioned in the Old Testament long before Zeus was ever a figment of someone's imagination. Yeshuah means "salvation" in Hebrew. Check out the verse, Isaiah 12:2, where the word "salvation" is translated from the Hebrew word,"Yeshuah"! There are many other verses that use "yeshuah".

Also, John 1:1-3,14 shows us that Jesus was the Word and the Word was God, and nothing was created without Jesus! Jesus is God!

[BenjiAJ]

@zeustruth I'm afraid you are totally deluded. Zeus and the other pagan deities are mythological figures. The greatest of the Greek philosophers, Aristotle and Plato, certainly didn't regard them as anything else. In any case, the stories describing them attribute to them all sorts of shameful and morally despicable sexual and murderous acts. They are mere gods, not the One God who is above all. That God became flesh in Jesus of Nazareth.

[boazandjiacinth]

@BenjiAJ AMEN , HE IS THE LORD OF LORDS!! son of perdition will be exposed next june,21st.. it is obama. not long now and we will all see. PRAISE JESUS CHRIST!!

[BenjiAJ]

@zeustruth The pagan gods you worship are devils; or rather, the devils receive worship by being adored under the guise of mythological deities

[TranyaAddict]

@SABLOSKY1 This view has a lot of merit to it; the main motifs of all religions that span the work can be dated back as far as the first civilisation; the Sumerians.

[TranyaAddict]

@TranyaAddict span the world*

[nething94]

U IME OCA,SINA I SVETOGA DUHA...AMIN!

[savana906]

The scientist says they can tell us what the Shroud is not..... but cant tell what it is, ....Thats cos they don't admit its the Shroud that covered Jesus Christ!

[SABLOSKY1]

@savana906

wow, thats some amazing logic my friend...

[savana906]

@SABLOSKY1 Whats amazing is the disbelief of the many.... but then again it is written in the bible too, that in the last days there will be scoffers.

[SABLOSKY1]

@savana906

whats amazing is that people believe something with no evidence

[savana906]

@SABLOSKY1 If you call out to Jesus He will make Himself known & heard.

Search until He may be found.

God bless you

[SABLOSKY1]

@savana906 I was a catholic for most of my life and i never heard a thing, and i doubt that Jesus has ever talked to you. I have talked to many Moslems who say they heard Allah and Mormons who heard Joseph smith. what makes you different

[AntichristComes]

@SABLOSKY1 You can doubt all you want to, that's your right. Thomas doubted until he saw Jesus after the Resurrection. Satan is real, too, and he does his thing by deceiving people with false gods and false prophets... like Allah and Joseph Smith. Study Bible prophecy, especially End Times prophecy, and you'd have a lot of reasons to why Christianity is correct, and all other religions fail. I don't know of a single Near Death Experience that included Allah or Joseph Smith or Buddha.

[SABLOSKY1]

@AntichristComes

"satan is real too" that is how Christianity has survived for 2000 years. But please tell me the evidence i have read the end time prophesies and it doesn't prove a thing. You know that it is a scam, but you are afraid to let go because you think you will burn in hell.

[AntichristComes]

@SABLOSKY1 You just made 2 comments to me without giving any evidence as to why the Shroud is fake, and why Bible prophecies don't mean a thing.

Stay off the atheist websites and their talking points, and start thinking objectively.

What's a scam? The Bible, the Shroud? Duplicate the Shroud and get famous. Prophecy proves man didn't write the Bible of his own will, and the Shroud proves a crucifixion happened and matches exactly with what happened to Jesus.

[SABLOSKY1]

@AntichristComes Okay the only thing you have on the shroud is that you thing the carbon dating is false because it was tested on a replaced piece. Fine, but that still doesn't mean that you can fit it to covering Jesus. And if scientists carbon dated another area and discovered that it was not 2000 years old would you give up. off course you wouldn't because you will always adapt your religion because you are afraid.

[AntichristComes]

@SABLOSKY1 "you thing the carbon dating is false because it was tested on a replaced piece"

It's a fact, that the piece of the Shroud that was tested was corrupted. Most of the Shroud was corrupted because it went through a fire.

You obviously know nothing about the 2 Roman coins over the eyes (to keep the eyes shut) that were determined to be from 29 A.D.? If the Shroud was from 1300 A.D., would they have reached in their pockets and grabbed 2 Roman coins dated 29 A.D.? Doubt it.

[SABLOSKY1]

@AntichristComes

I was waiting for you to bring up the two coins. Yes some people say that the coin imprints are 2000 years old. because they think it matches with the roman coins that were produced in 29ad. Although those ideas are disputed by many scientists. And like i said, even if you proved that the shroud was 2000 years old, if you proved that it covered a man named Jesus who was crucified, it dont mean that your religion is proven correct. you keep believing in your space daddy byebye

[AntichristComes]

@SABLOSKY1 The coins are disputed by only a few scientists. Most scientists agree with the 29 A.D. coins over the eyes. Naturally, those scientists who don't have the heart for forensics won't find anything. The clues for the 29 A.D. coins are found when 3D computerized imaging is used.

[savana906]

@SABLOSKY1 Not what makes me different!, what makes the truth different to the lie? It is NOT about religion, its about The Son of God Jesus Christ who was sent here on earth to die for our sins so we can be redeemed.

No Joseph smith, or Budah or Allah died on a cross to redeem us! Thats the difference. Jesus is the way the truth & the life.

[AntichristComes]

@SABLOSKY1 You mean, like the evidence that all of Jesus' disciples were hiding like scared rabbits when Jesus was arrested, scourged, crucified, and buried in a tomb, and then suddenly, just a few days later they were so excited and no longer scared of being called a disciple, in spite of the risk that they too, might die on a cross, or be stoned, or be beheaded? What made the disciples so bold? The Resurrection.

That's evidence. The Shroud itself is also evidence. Changed lives is evidence.

[SABLOSKY1]

@AntichristComes

Thats like shooting an arrow and painting a target around it...So your only evidence, is a shroud that that proves absolutely nothing and is most likely a fake, and then your flimsy logic. Why don't you believe in Horus ya know the guy who's myth is exactly like Jesus except with different names, and it was written 3000 years before. BTW even if the shroud is 3000 years old is doesnt prove anything

[AntichristComes]

@SABLOSKY1 Nothing shows that the Shroud is a fake. Horus?? LOL! The Shroud isn't 3000 yrs. old... it's 2000 yrs. old.

Horus was born on Dec. 25th... nowhere in the Bible does it say, Jesus was born on Dec. 25th. Three kings adorned Horus, but the Bible says NOTHING about 3 kings visiting Jesus. The story of Horus appears to be a very poor copy of the story of Jesus if anything.

Jesus was prophesied to arrive 1000s of yrs before His birth, therefore, cultures wanted to have the Messiah.

[FIFAStreetaddict]

Why wouldn't any of the new testament writers record the likeness of our Lord on a cloth??

[AntichristComes]

@FIFAStreetaddict Perhaps, the disciples never thought of it. Perhaps, the disciples saw the image on the Shroud and thought they couldn't do any better than that.

[cuzcatlan36]

the dating of the fabric came out to be around the middle ages right?

[AntichristComes]

@cuzcatlan36 No... it's known, that the fire the Shroud went through, gave a false date to the Shroud. The fire added carbon to the Shroud... giving the false dating.