Julie Bishop uses the same argument I've heard from christians many times that simply makes no sense at 3:50. She says that the old testament stories are nice and all, but the new testament is what christians adhere to. I have news: if it weren't for the old testament, christians wouldn't need the new one. You can't poo poo one, and then bash people with the other!
@fateplus1 Look at it this way: In a lot of religious beliefs the idea of hostility against people of other beliefs are inherent. In ideologies like nazism or communism the definitions and ideas of enemies of ones world view are also inherent. All of these are reasons for people to start hating people of different faith or ideology and ultimately can lead to that hatred being expressed in murder.
Atheism in it's simplest form is just the absence of belief in a deity. No dogmas exists in atheism.
@fateplus1 (continued from last comment)...while you can argue that an atheists in theory could get so caught up in his resistance to religion that he starts hating religious people and therefore commits a murder on one, there are no dogmas or doctrines in atheism, which would support his action, because atheism is nothing more than the absence of belief in a deity.
I love the way Dawkins answers the indian guy's statement at 1:51, "Ideology is what motivates people to do these things, not atheism....communism and Nazism are not religious faiths but nonetheless motivate people to do certain things.." indeed. There is a binary distinction between religious faith and ideological faith. He totally gave him the answer. And I'm a believer. World War II for example was a secular/ideology/irreligious war, battling Communism and Nazism, not religion.
It never ceases to amaze me how difficult a concept it seems to be to theists that atheism is not an equal opposite of theism. That it isn't just another faith based belief system. They can't seem to grasp that atheism is what you're left with when you don't jump to conclusion.
The reason that people are being so touchy and defensive, saying that Dawkins was ridiculing peoples' faith, is that on some level they know they're wrong. That's pretty much the only reason people ever get defensive and Dawkins just happened to get their flack this time.
an agricultural minister, a rabbi, and a family first senator probably know wayyyyyyyy more about EVOLUTION than an EVOLUTIONARY biologist. right.....?
@debenni But faggots ARE evil! Even if there is no God!.... where did natural selection decide that penis goes into arsehole? Or, lady tongue fanny licks lady? Where is the natural selection in all this?! Shouldn't fags die out?!
Respecting someone's position depends on if their position is respectable. These sissies are so quick to get offended by having a straight forward, clearly expressed disapproval of their belief. If he said it in a song with a smile would that be better?
He was making fun of them and it was obvious - and then he denied it. I don't think, they should have been offended by it, because their belief is ridiculous and it's hard not to ridicule ridiculous things. But he messed up there. His answers before and after on the spot. Making fun of them gave them ammunition, it made it easy for them to argue ad hominem instead of responding to the point he made.
The content of his answer was good, the style was not appropriate for the show.
@HappyJebediah The problem is being serious and pointing out ridiculous nonsense can be seen as making fun or ridicule. It happens all the time with religious people. They always play the victim card. Anytime someone points to their BS in a forceful way, they cry about it. That's the ammunition they used they you mistook as a reply to the ad hominem you claim, that I say never took place. As for what's appropriate for this show, Hitch has been on. Enough said....
Civil rights are denied to homosexuals based on religious texts. There's no atheist equivalent. Bigoted theists often claim that their opinions are not really their opinions, they're what some god said, therefore, they take no responsibility for their bigotry. There's no atheist equivalent.
This is not a man who "tried to do good things." This is a murderous tyrant. -
Luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
I truly enjoy debates. When I saw Professor Dawkins looking up at the ceiling, rather absentminded, I was not impressed at all. How can one enter a debate and not be willing to show respect and listen to the opposition? There is always a lack of understanding on both sides. The moment one closes their mind, the debate has effectively ended. I cannot respect poor conduct. Hitch Hitchslapped his opponents into oblivion, but there was a degree of class in the way he did it.
I admire MR. Dawkins but at 5:30 he dropped the ball a bit, when someone sacrifice something of his own like his own life(note:not another person's life, like a son) it is admirable, in his example a) God sacrificing himself as a mortal for the salvation of others IS admirable. b ) God sacrificing his son.. well... debatable, c) a Man sacrificing his son for a Faith???, now that's stupid and dangerous as there could be more stupids following the example. THAT's what Dawkins tried to say.
@BluntVerbally23 (*you're) He knows that, I know that!, but he is telling the public it is "terrible" to have a sacrifice, but what I'm saying is that he is not using the correct approach of sacrifice in order to make his point.., he was using the point A) that I mentioned which is totally acceptable hence the public saying it so, when INSTEAD he needed to refer point C) which is a totally stupid way of sacrifice hence not admirable
@giorgiomx point A is a fact, stating that god sacrficed his son is miss leading people since its not the complete story, he wasn't their to state what's pleasing to the crowed but facts, it a shame the other panelist aren't the same and the audience was so poorly educated in debate and reason.
What Christians believe and find admirable: For God so loved the world, that he came to earth in the form of his son, to be barbarically slaughtered like an animal, so that whosoever believes in him, shall not parish in God's eternal torture chamber, but will spend eternity in streets of gold praising him, sympathetically detached from the endless suffering being experienced by the trillions of people eternally burning in Hell.
4:55 "you know what disturbs me about this debate is that people should respect other peoples views" - No, my dear, what disturbs you about this debate is that you are losing it.
@Gazzar dawkins was absolutely being disrespectful though, he was directly insulting mainstream christian views my characterizing them as "horrible" and something else too i dont really remember
Hell no Jesus' isn't a story of sacrifice. Crucifixion wasn't specifically reserved for Jesus, and it isn't the worst torture device ever conceived. Not to mention that his death was a cheat. He died knowing he would not stay dead, therefore nullifying any sort of 'sacrifice'.
There was no sacrifice because there was nothing actually lost.
Moreover, that idiot, who for some baffling reason has a prominent post in the agricultural ministry, asserts that modern history has seen the so-called dire outcomes of Atheism in Stalin and Mao's regimes. Stalin was an Atheist because he loathed the cruelty of the Catholic Church, remember as a youth he wanted to be a priest, but his policies weren't representative of Atheistic motives, but were ones entirely driven by an immorally egocentric beliefs independent of any specific doctrine.
I love the smug demur that idiot shows Dawkins, as if to suggest an unsurpassed genius, yet commits a logical fallacy in dissecting the moral relativism between religion and Atheism. The underpinnings of tyranny, vengeance, wickedness, and oppression are frighteningly obvious in any of the three monotheistic beliefs; Atheism is not a "belief" or an inherent system of morals for society to abide by, but rather a philosophy that argues for reason, logic and humanism.
I'm starting to notice a pattern of how creationist tend to fall back on the victim card of saying "we should all respect each others beliefs". Hmmm... I guess that is true, but it is problematic when creationists want to step into the field of science and feel that their "facts" (beliefs) stand just as strong as the evidence for evolution.
@ 4:54 people should respect other people views!! I hope you keep that in mind next time you judge someones lifestyle and life choices as wicked and evil because they don't fit into your silly little religious box.
"Christians are like thugs who call the police when the victim fights back" Pat Condell
You think you belief in a certain religion the very first second you realize that you are alive. If you are one of these people, you probably are brainwashed and indoctrinated.
I know I was. Suddenly I was a ritualistic Buddhism, when I realized I am alive at 4 years old.
Richard Dawkin @ 4.20 kicks ass! xD that man's got balls i tell you. I will one day grow to be someone like him if i'm fortunate enough. And I will do my very best to counter against the darkness that is religion. Long live atheism!
@7:15 To McGorry, the reason so many ppl are being tortured these days, as you point out, is b/c of that one man who was tortured 2,000 yrs ago and to this day ppl think it an admirable thing including that very audience. Do not discount theory or intellectual matters b/c that is precisely what is being put into practice "in the real world".
You know what fucking disturbs me (Julia Bishop) that you actually got voted in! And as for that twat family first senator thats just as fucked. When I see poor Richard Dawkins on this panel of bullies I can't help but feel sorry for him. Not mention ashamed that these are senators in supposed "Great Southern Land"
What sacrifice? God didn't loose a son. a) God was the son b) the "son" came right back to life three days later by his own will. So, again, no loss. No loss = No sacrifice
If it's a story of anything, it's a story of temporary suicide.
@3:36 Jesus was not a man but God in the flesh (that's what the Bible says) He is part of the Trinity. He in essence IS YHWY!! He is the same, "tell them I am" THAT's what he was put to death for!! Claiming to be God. Every jot and tittle. If you are going to be christian read the bible first.
Dawkins is the man! This is the one thing that I find bothersome about this type of debate. They can't seem to differentiate between what's part of the argument, and what's part of human emotion. These people got offended because their morality was questioned. Which to me, show's a distinct arrogance and nonchalance in their mindset. Dawkins has been solid throughout, truthful, honest, open, informative and indeed, vulnerable. But consistant, precise and clear in his responses.
Nice to see them run & hide behind a Wall of Morality, just because the Dawk tells it like it is. They should thank him for clarifying their world view, instead,
There is a difference between respect other's views and other's persons, the second is valid (otherwise it would be an argument ad hominem and of course they are not valid), but the second is a TABOO, to respect views just make them invulnerable to criticism and to debate, they become a DOGMA and begin to be USELESS to mankind.
For shutting Dawkins down Burke can go to his own imaginary Hell. It contravenes his stupid religion to lie about what another person said. Its sophistry and his imaginary God will punish him for it. No wonder I'm incredulous every day about my country when people brainwashed by the brothers( oops I'm going to vomit) get into power in my country. I'll disrespect that level of retardation every day of my life. I'll give it the disrespect it cries out for. What are you gonna do about it burke.
telling him to curtail his opinions or refrain from stating them. So he is against free speech basically. I don't get what everyone's obsession with respecting other opinions is. If I insult christianity, I am attacking the religion not you for believing it. It's completely illogical to respect other people's opinions and beliefs for the sake of it. It's only done so people don't get offended. Well screw that, grow up get over yourself people, no one cares if you're offended.
xLostInTransit I paraphrase but "God couldn't think of anything better than torturing himself to absolve humanities sins, and that is a depraved notion". That is a direct insult by Dawkins and therefore he is being disrespectful. Don't know why he can't admit it. However there's nothing wrong with it. You should be allowed to criticise whatever you want. If someone attaches themselves to that viewpoint and gets offended, who cares? By telling Dawkings to be more respectful, he is indirectly
The religious dude gets so butthurt claiming Dawkins is ridiculing Christianity when he objectively states what is in the Bible without embellishing it with dogmatic jargon. He's basically stating the Bible is ridiculous himself.
As for respecting people's beliefs, they first need to be respectable. I can respect a child, but I won't respect a child's belief in fairies, as it is an illogical one.
I'll dissect what happened clearly.. Dawkins a man of reasoning found the idea of God torturing, humiliating and sacrificing his own son to atone the sins of humanity as being distasteful.. For Tony Burke and Julie Bishop who have believed this 2000 year old idea as absolute ideal mainly because its from scriptures and thousands of other ppl have believed it for thousands of yrs, they felt offended and without any logic called Dawkins as disrespectful.. infact they are the ones disrespectful
just for info. muslims don't believe the view that god died for human sins. muslims consider jesus to be a prophet of god which did miracles like other prophets: like giving live to the dead, giving sight to the blind and so on.
Why didnt they ask Richard the Evolutionist how we jumped from the Big Ban theory to the monkey theory and how they have milked money out of Governments Billions in fact to lead people down the wrong way based on created lies that havent worked he says Evolutions is fact nonsense ...
Good on Tony Burke Richard Dawkins is trying to be intellectual and being a comedy is mocking... he always has an answer he is exposed by Politicians good on them
@WealthFisher No, actually Hawkins IS being an intellectual and what you wrote makes no sense, ie it is unintelligible babble.. It is correct that he always has an answer but it is incorrect that any point in the debate, he was exposed by politicians. You were 'educated' where, why, and by whom?
The bible doesnt say to Kill Homosexuals some people just like to pick some stuff out and misinterpret it , and then they misunderstand the book you see when your concept is wrong then your conclusion is wrong if your conclusion is wrong then your theology is wrong
The Richard Dawkins is trying to be smart and disrespectful he is an idiot ....
I'm British and love Aussies, Americans, canadians etc. What I DON'T like is people who beieve they have the damn right to enforce their views on me, my children and society in general.
@mikeyg789 Mike the Brits do not hate the Australians and we dont hate you Americans either. Some individuals hate emotions are triggered very easily, its because them people are weak.
@mikeyg789 I've heard of Brits hating the French and Americans, which don't particularly believe, but I've never heard of Brits hating Aussies. The general opinion of Australians with regards to this issue is very much the same as the UK, the vast majority of us are secular humanists, it's just that the point of this show is to present both sides. Unfortunately there are idiots like Steve Fielding in every country in the world.
@mikeyg789 youve never heard of the aussie/brit rivalry? they hate australians mainly based on the fact that every autralian ancestor has roots with criminals that fled england for a new land, australians were basically pushed out of england and founded australia...now youve learned a little history
Why is it that religious people all jump on their high horses as soon as someone points out how illogical their beliefs are. I think Richard Dawkens shows a lot of restraint.
Mr. Dawkins plainly stated what you chose to believe in front of everyone, and you overreacted. Tell me, is there a small chance you were ASHAMED to have to admit to the world your faith choice?
Dawkins didn't disrespect your beliefs, but your angry response undermined any chance of you maintaining a shred of personal dignity up there.
@xLostInTransit Couldn't state it better, it's like someone that might believe in a 2000 year old fairy that grants wishes but used to kill babies with blue eyes, then the believer says.... How dare you mention the fairy kills babies with blue eyes that offends me!! That was a long time ago...He's changed his mind and we don't do that anymore. What!? Religious apologetics.........nuts
I'e come to the conclusion that religious people are generally just ignorant, stubborn, and childish. I expect to get a lot of hateful responses to this, but seriously this is all just so fucking ridiculous. Richard Dawkins is the only truly intelligent person on this panel who isn't brainwashed.
@jejo02 I've argued with a good amount of theists in my day, and I'll tell you that you are 100% correct. I give them an argument such as the commonly used "Invisible spaghetti monster", and I receive an answer that is basically this, over, and over, and over: "THE BIBLE GOD JESUS BLAH BLAH LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU."
@ukulazy I disagree. I was brainwashed as a child (grew up Catholic, went to a Catholic grammar school & high school) and I have still come to realize Religion's ridiculousness. People can do it. Some people just choose not to. The opposing side is out there...if people chose not to entertain it, they are choosing ignorance. That's what I think anyways. If you're gonna believe something that literally guides your life, wouldn't you think it'd be worth a little research/questioning?
@jejo02 I was 'brainwashed' as a child by Roman Catholic family but I always remained detached from the idea of a god. Even when I was a child. Doesn't change the fact that some people are more susceptible. German people were convinced as adults to hate a race of people by Hitler, so surely you must see that brainwashing from childhood may cause a lifelong dependence.
@ukulazy I agree it can absolutely cause a lifelong dependence. But same as you, I was brought up Roman Catholic & obviously I'm not religious either. So what I'm saying is that at some point, people should be able to take responsibility for what they allow themselves to believe...bottom line, you aren't defenseless against being brainwashed. You should be able to think critically, especially in this day and age when so many opposing ideas are out there at one's disposal.
@jejo02 My parents seprataed when I was really young and only one half of my family was RC. I also had a pretty shit childhood. If I had been raised by a happy family unit, attended an RC church and had RC friends and saw no reason to question my surroundings there is a decent chance I would be RC now. Religion is about nurture, not nature.
@ukulazy I respect you're opinion, but I think it's both nature AND nurture. Not one or the other. People aren't doomed to religious beliefs with absolutely no power over it...Some just have the luxury of perhaps coming to it sooner if they are surrounded by many different ideas.
@ukulazy Wrong? Why? You just stated your own opinion. How did our current morality develop then? Why do we no longer stone people for minor crimes, kill people for working on the Sabbath day etc etc?
Religious people know their beliefs are hugely flawed so they automatically get offended when you so much as mention them out loud or apply even the most basic reason or scrutiny to them. (especially those of otherwise average intelligence - enough to understand a simple, factually driven argument)
Its almost like they know their delusional and just want to be left to their madness.
Tony Burke, grow some fucking balls. To think that we can't even argue anymore, INTELLIGENTLY, is absurd. And that is exactly what Tony Burke is bitching about.
As someone whos non religious brought up in a religious house ive always enjoyed dawkins arguements. But in my opinion when he said ' you can keep it' he implied 'my beliefs are right, yours are wrong and yours are stupid' what burke said is kinda right, its about tolerance. I think dawkins was doing a great job holding his composure for so long being outnumbered. Dont argue with Idiots, they will bring you down to theyre level then beat you with experience.
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
Why on earth should god sacrificing itself, in order to atone for a condition he allowed to happen, be considered noble? Are we to assume that an all-powerful loving god really got mad at Adam and Eve for an almost trivial act that he could have completely prevented. If he was all-seeing could he have not stopped the snake, or even better, not created the snake at all? Furthermore, why the need for atonement? Did he regret his decision of dooming all of mankind? Was a sacrifice the only option?
This panel clearly demonstrates the mental games that believers go through in order to justify their faith. Fielding said that he doesnt belive gays should be shunned or killed while knowing full well that the bible explicitly and emphatically demands this. Clearly his morality clashes with his belief in the bible, hence he cannot give straightforward answers lest he reveals this contradiction. In other words, they know their religion is downright harmful but they cant seem to accept it.
You know, Dawkins indeed probably doesn't respect religion in the bottom of his heart.
But in a public debate, Dawkins has every right to profess his reasoning regarding the fallacy of religion. He isn't being rude. He's simply making a point.
A public intellectual debate would require debunking of ideas, whether you like it or not. Otherwise, that would not be a very productive debate.
Get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.
@LensterL Indeed, and the whole "lack of respect" ploy is just a trademark 'get out of jail' card for the religious side of the debates.
Because the moment someone pleads that they are being disrespected, everyone on their side will rally to their support. It is an excuse to avoid being evaluated.
They all missed the point even thou they were practically spelling it out. People is motivated by their dogma in general whether its a religion or an ideology. I think later in the show Richard Dawkins mentions this but not sure were.
Serial killers who accept Jesus go to Heaven, while purse snatchers that don't go to Hell. Christianity is, to use an evangelical phrase, beyond morality. Life, according to this view, isn't a test of virtue, but a test of faith. This makes a mockery of the claim that our modern morality is founded on Christianity.
I think Richard Dawkins is too polite and soft on this creationist morons. If Christopher Hitchen was here instead he would have crucify these morons.
Although I do not believe in god, I think Dawkin's argument against the logical conclusion is wrong. Thousands of priests and religious leaders were killed simply because they were religious. Same thing in Mao's China, where the cultural revolution wanted to overthrow old religious ideals.
@Well, in those countries they were killed because of the policies that promoted atheism. Albania became an "Atheist state" in 67 and very soon began killing hundreds of religious leaders.
@Ermal8711 Makes no difference; atheism doesn't lead you to do that; a pseudo-religion that involves faith like communism may well lead one to do that
Strange how some religious people feel that they're being ridiculed when someone points out what their texts actually say. Instead of defending their position they cry persecution. Dawkins didn't write the bible.
Also what a hypocrite julia and toney, "Be respectful in a debate blah blah blah" Yeh like you and the rest of the politicians are to each other during your debates? ow wait this is different because Dawkins was shredding the rest of you to pieces and you didnt have 40 other people standing behind you to muffle him out with boo's.
I think the people in the audience who said that vicarious redemption is a good thing should be ashamed of themselves. Whatever happened to personal responsibility and moral fibre.
It's....Yes...Good. Take a cross. Indoctrination is over there. Excellent. Otherwise, take a seat right over here. The authorities will be with you in a moment. And THAT is the real problem that Richard Dawkins is trying to explain. That closed mindedness is a lingering morbid reality that sadly still burdens every aspect of our "current situation."
These dopes play the "Oh, why can't you respect other people's religious views" when they *KNOW* they are losing the debate!
They have to deflect the argument to cry that they are being picked on. Prof. Dawkins is nothing but respectful and dignified in all of his arguments and comments.
@Turandot29 Yeah its the typical ridiculous viewpoint that somehow Religion and the fairy tale books its produced are an infallible and untouchable subject that cannot be judged. Its like someone saying that no one can bad mouth the Harry Potter novels because it offends those who believe wizards and witches are real. Utter garbage.
Wow what a sanctimonious wanker Tony Burke is. When he started that smug bullshit trying to take the high road I wanted to reach through the monitor and punch him in the face. How I wish it been Christopher Hitchens instead of Dawkins on the panel he would of torn the guy a new asshole. Dawkins is great hes just too polite sometimes.
@MerryGoFuckYourself and ironically, he gets so much unfair criticism for being strident and impolite! The discussion only got heated when Dawkins honestly stated what Christians must believe if they follow the new testament. Funny that it was the 2 "reasonable" liberal christians that got all hot under the collar and then proceeded to smear him for it. Think about what it is that you actually believe people.
Tony Burke is an idiot, he just keeps bleating about respect and doesn't seem to have much else constructive to say. Aside from that, the way he spoke to Richard Dawkins didn't show the slightest amount of respect - even though Richard Dawkins deserves about 100,000,000,000,000% more respect than Tony Burke does.
@rhiixx29 I was going to make a similar comment, all I will add is this, the only way the panel could win a intellectual debate with Mr Dawkins, is to make false claim as to what Richard said. I listened to his statement several times. This behaivour is typical of, illeducated persons wishing to have moral high ground over people that are completely correct.
Paused the video at 1:07, so I don't know if someone will bring it up, but that's the first time I noticed a literal incompatibility from him. Which sure as hell doesn't mean anything, lol's.
Julie Bishop uses the same argument I've heard from christians many times that simply makes no sense at 3:50. She says that the old testament stories are nice and all, but the new testament is what christians adhere to. I have news: if it weren't for the old testament, christians wouldn't need the new one. You can't poo poo one, and then bash people with the other!
tyendanega 3 days ago
i dont understand why it is impossible for someone to commit unspeakable acts in the name of atheism
fateplus1 5 days ago
@fateplus1 Look at it this way: In a lot of religious beliefs the idea of hostility against people of other beliefs are inherent. In ideologies like nazism or communism the definitions and ideas of enemies of ones world view are also inherent. All of these are reasons for people to start hating people of different faith or ideology and ultimately can lead to that hatred being expressed in murder.
Atheism in it's simplest form is just the absence of belief in a deity. No dogmas exists in atheism.
Evilsoupkitchen 2 days ago
@fateplus1 (continued from last comment)...while you can argue that an atheists in theory could get so caught up in his resistance to religion that he starts hating religious people and therefore commits a murder on one, there are no dogmas or doctrines in atheism, which would support his action, because atheism is nothing more than the absence of belief in a deity.
Evilsoupkitchen 2 days ago
2:33 the politician cringes knowing he won't know how to respond without looking like an idiot XD
SarahLee1 1 week ago
I find it's funny how the religious bullies are asking Richard for respect.
darkerforest 1 week ago 2
so its ok that religions control government? Athiest, keep fighting the good fight!
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Arguing with Richard Dawkins is like playing against Michael Jordan
VOD713 1 week ago 2
@VOD713 lmao nicee
seniorsaint 1 week ago
Richard Dawkins pwned everyone :)
xJTrack 2 weeks ago
I love the way Dawkins answers the indian guy's statement at 1:51, "Ideology is what motivates people to do these things, not atheism....communism and Nazism are not religious faiths but nonetheless motivate people to do certain things.." indeed. There is a binary distinction between religious faith and ideological faith. He totally gave him the answer. And I'm a believer. World War II for example was a secular/ideology/irreligious war, battling Communism and Nazism, not religion.
BallerandRunner 2 weeks ago
This show made me laugh and inspired me to educate myself in the same time.
Really now, what show can claim to do that to the viewers?
shurednichso 2 weeks ago
It never ceases to amaze me how difficult a concept it seems to be to theists that atheism is not an equal opposite of theism. That it isn't just another faith based belief system. They can't seem to grasp that atheism is what you're left with when you don't jump to conclusion.
Xanxei1 2 weeks ago
LOL at all of the politicians trying to sound smart.
They could barely keep up with Dawkins and as soon as they found an irrelevant topic like "ridicule" to attack him with, they pounced. Morons.
tkotomy 2 weeks ago
These "politicians" are more like drunken bums at a watering hole.
timchilli 3 weeks ago
The reason that people are being so touchy and defensive, saying that Dawkins was ridiculing peoples' faith, is that on some level they know they're wrong. That's pretty much the only reason people ever get defensive and Dawkins just happened to get their flack this time.
HitandRun42 3 weeks ago
Oh, those laws commanding us to stone homosexuals, adulterers, disobedient children, and shellfish eaters...They're just metaphors.
ThePhantom135 4 weeks ago
an agricultural minister, a rabbi, and a family first senator probably know wayyyyyyyy more about EVOLUTION than an EVOLUTIONARY biologist. right.....?
awesomeskier12345 1 month ago
4:59 the guy is like "pshhh take that bitch!"
awesomeskier12345 1 month ago
"I trust the Bible, but this one part about gays is bullshit" (paraphrased) Well then, you don't trust the Bible, do you?
I'm an atheist btw.
debenni 1 month ago
@debenni But faggots ARE evil! Even if there is no God!.... where did natural selection decide that penis goes into arsehole? Or, lady tongue fanny licks lady? Where is the natural selection in all this?! Shouldn't fags die out?!
BloodOfRayne 1 month ago
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TomMackio 1 month ago
The crowd claps anything.
MAZZEKAARTS 1 month ago
Respecting someone's position depends on if their position is respectable. These sissies are so quick to get offended by having a straight forward, clearly expressed disapproval of their belief. If he said it in a song with a smile would that be better?
moety2 1 month ago
@moety2
He was making fun of them and it was obvious - and then he denied it. I don't think, they should have been offended by it, because their belief is ridiculous and it's hard not to ridicule ridiculous things. But he messed up there. His answers before and after on the spot. Making fun of them gave them ammunition, it made it easy for them to argue ad hominem instead of responding to the point he made.
The content of his answer was good, the style was not appropriate for the show.
HappyJebediah 3 weeks ago
@HappyJebediah The problem is being serious and pointing out ridiculous nonsense can be seen as making fun or ridicule. It happens all the time with religious people. They always play the victim card. Anytime someone points to their BS in a forceful way, they cry about it. That's the ammunition they used they you mistook as a reply to the ad hominem you claim, that I say never took place. As for what's appropriate for this show, Hitch has been on. Enough said....
moety2 3 weeks ago
They can't live with the dawkmeister. He's making them look like fools.
james7300 1 month ago
Civil rights are denied to homosexuals based on religious texts. There's no atheist equivalent. Bigoted theists often claim that their opinions are not really their opinions, they're what some god said, therefore, they take no responsibility for their bigotry. There's no atheist equivalent.
This is not a man who "tried to do good things." This is a murderous tyrant. -
Luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
YY4Me133 1 month ago
I truly enjoy debates. When I saw Professor Dawkins looking up at the ceiling, rather absentminded, I was not impressed at all. How can one enter a debate and not be willing to show respect and listen to the opposition? There is always a lack of understanding on both sides. The moment one closes their mind, the debate has effectively ended. I cannot respect poor conduct. Hitch Hitchslapped his opponents into oblivion, but there was a degree of class in the way he did it.
ShalKekNemRon 1 month ago
@ShalKekNemRon "How can one enter a debate and not be willing to show respect and listen to the opposition?"
Because Dawkins opposition has nothing to say. There is nothing their waffle that would merit any kind of respect.
TomFynn 1 month ago
but if god is all powerful then it isn't really a sacrifice in the first place. How can something have been sacrificed if nothing was hurt/lost?
BigDog91527 1 month ago
I admire MR. Dawkins but at 5:30 he dropped the ball a bit, when someone sacrifice something of his own like his own life(note:not another person's life, like a son) it is admirable, in his example a) God sacrificing himself as a mortal for the salvation of others IS admirable. b ) God sacrificing his son.. well... debatable, c) a Man sacrificing his son for a Faith???, now that's stupid and dangerous as there could be more stupids following the example. THAT's what Dawkins tried to say.
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@giorgiomx No your wrong because it never happened.
BluntVerbally23 1 month ago
@BluntVerbally23 (*you're) He knows that, I know that!, but he is telling the public it is "terrible" to have a sacrifice, but what I'm saying is that he is not using the correct approach of sacrifice in order to make his point.., he was using the point A) that I mentioned which is totally acceptable hence the public saying it so, when INSTEAD he needed to refer point C) which is a totally stupid way of sacrifice hence not admirable
giorgiomx 1 month ago
@giorgiomx point A is a fact, stating that god sacrficed his son is miss leading people since its not the complete story, he wasn't their to state what's pleasing to the crowed but facts, it a shame the other panelist aren't the same and the audience was so poorly educated in debate and reason.
advers1078 1 month ago
There's nothing admirable in the new testament story. And it doesn't even make any sense.
DeterminationForever 1 month ago 8
Anyone else watching this thinking the Junior Creationist is way out of his depth. Dawkins is smiling inside every time he opens his mouth.
GCYOSH 1 month ago 3
What Christians believe and find admirable: For God so loved the world, that he came to earth in the form of his son, to be barbarically slaughtered like an animal, so that whosoever believes in him, shall not parish in God's eternal torture chamber, but will spend eternity in streets of gold praising him, sympathetically detached from the endless suffering being experienced by the trillions of people eternally burning in Hell.
AscendingParadigm 1 month ago 3
4:55 "you know what disturbs me about this debate is that people should respect other peoples views" - No, my dear, what disturbs you about this debate is that you are losing it.
Gazzar 1 month ago 52
@Gazzar dawkins was absolutely being disrespectful though, he was directly insulting mainstream christian views my characterizing them as "horrible" and something else too i dont really remember
fateplus1 4 days ago
Typical stupid convicts
TheNormankingdom 1 month ago
*Julie. This is why watching these vids and attempting to comment at 3am is a bad idea.
goontits 1 month ago
Those dickhead politicians make me ashamed to be Australian. How frustrating it must be for Dawkins to sit amongst these fools.
brewser06 1 month ago
@brewser06
Shit, I meant to vote that comment up, not down, sorry. Some of Tony and Judy's comments in this segment are embarrassing.
goontits 1 month ago
"Is that not a story of sacrifice?"
Hell no Jesus' isn't a story of sacrifice. Crucifixion wasn't specifically reserved for Jesus, and it isn't the worst torture device ever conceived. Not to mention that his death was a cheat. He died knowing he would not stay dead, therefore nullifying any sort of 'sacrifice'.
There was no sacrifice because there was nothing actually lost.
KOICrowz 1 month ago
people are not yet ready to face the fact that santa is a fictional dude,
cronus6282 1 month ago
Those other people aren't worthy to sit at the same table as Dawkins.
lemon53135 1 month ago
Moreover, that idiot, who for some baffling reason has a prominent post in the agricultural ministry, asserts that modern history has seen the so-called dire outcomes of Atheism in Stalin and Mao's regimes. Stalin was an Atheist because he loathed the cruelty of the Catholic Church, remember as a youth he wanted to be a priest, but his policies weren't representative of Atheistic motives, but were ones entirely driven by an immorally egocentric beliefs independent of any specific doctrine.
fitzy098 2 months ago
I love the smug demur that idiot shows Dawkins, as if to suggest an unsurpassed genius, yet commits a logical fallacy in dissecting the moral relativism between religion and Atheism. The underpinnings of tyranny, vengeance, wickedness, and oppression are frighteningly obvious in any of the three monotheistic beliefs; Atheism is not a "belief" or an inherent system of morals for society to abide by, but rather a philosophy that argues for reason, logic and humanism.
fitzy098 2 months ago
I'm starting to notice a pattern of how creationist tend to fall back on the victim card of saying "we should all respect each others beliefs". Hmmm... I guess that is true, but it is problematic when creationists want to step into the field of science and feel that their "facts" (beliefs) stand just as strong as the evidence for evolution.
Vladd7 2 months ago
Dawkins exposed gods ugly warts.
stratocaster539 2 months ago
@ 4:54 people should respect other people views!! I hope you keep that in mind next time you judge someones lifestyle and life choices as wicked and evil because they don't fit into your silly little religious box.
"Christians are like thugs who call the police when the victim fights back" Pat Condell
ptango101 2 months ago
You think you belief in a certain religion the very first second you realize that you are alive. If you are one of these people, you probably are brainwashed and indoctrinated.
I know I was. Suddenly I was a ritualistic Buddhism, when I realized I am alive at 4 years old.
tuck295q 2 months ago
Richard Dawkin @ 4.20 kicks ass! xD that man's got balls i tell you. I will one day grow to be someone like him if i'm fortunate enough. And I will do my very best to counter against the darkness that is religion. Long live atheism!
RaguXT 2 months ago
Zero percent seem to be at all educated in this panel.
If we're talking about percent.
MyBrightEyes17 2 months ago
@7:15 To McGorry, the reason so many ppl are being tortured these days, as you point out, is b/c of that one man who was tortured 2,000 yrs ago and to this day ppl think it an admirable thing including that very audience. Do not discount theory or intellectual matters b/c that is precisely what is being put into practice "in the real world".
normativeRandroid 2 months ago
Dawkins eats these morons for lunch.
ray38montreal 2 months ago
You know what fucking disturbs me (Julia Bishop) that you actually got voted in! And as for that twat family first senator thats just as fucked. When I see poor Richard Dawkins on this panel of bullies I can't help but feel sorry for him. Not mention ashamed that these are senators in supposed "Great Southern Land"
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I went back and checked... he did NOT change his word
jelzap 2 months ago
4:06 Richard's stare at the ceiling throughout her religious nonsense just summed everything up perfectly. xD
Mogthrasir 2 months ago 44
Q&A on Richard Dawkins.
zigifrojd 2 months ago
"Is that not a story of sacrifice?"
What sacrifice? God didn't loose a son. a) God was the son b) the "son" came right back to life three days later by his own will. So, again, no loss. No loss = No sacrifice
If it's a story of anything, it's a story of temporary suicide.
TomVodkaCollins 2 months ago
@3:36 Jesus was not a man but God in the flesh (that's what the Bible says) He is part of the Trinity. He in essence IS YHWY!! He is the same, "tell them I am" THAT's what he was put to death for!! Claiming to be God. Every jot and tittle. If you are going to be christian read the bible first.
Cougar139tweak 2 months ago
go Burke!
benehan 2 months ago
Dawkins is the man! This is the one thing that I find bothersome about this type of debate. They can't seem to differentiate between what's part of the argument, and what's part of human emotion. These people got offended because their morality was questioned. Which to me, show's a distinct arrogance and nonchalance in their mindset. Dawkins has been solid throughout, truthful, honest, open, informative and indeed, vulnerable. But consistant, precise and clear in his responses.
SeagoGuitarist 2 months ago
Nice to see them run & hide behind a Wall of Morality, just because the Dawk tells it like it is. They should thank him for clarifying their world view, instead,
Iskander0027 2 months ago
just lost respect my respect for Dawkins
kaingates 2 months ago
0:43 ??? ^^
Shahabhei 2 months ago
There is a difference between respect other's views and other's persons, the second is valid (otherwise it would be an argument ad hominem and of course they are not valid), but the second is a TABOO, to respect views just make them invulnerable to criticism and to debate, they become a DOGMA and begin to be USELESS to mankind.
dinogodx 2 months ago
For shutting Dawkins down Burke can go to his own imaginary Hell. It contravenes his stupid religion to lie about what another person said. Its sophistry and his imaginary God will punish him for it. No wonder I'm incredulous every day about my country when people brainwashed by the brothers( oops I'm going to vomit) get into power in my country. I'll disrespect that level of retardation every day of my life. I'll give it the disrespect it cries out for. What are you gonna do about it burke.
jimmybillabong 2 months ago
funny to hear someone like dawkins say "sure as hell" :)
Timbaman83 2 months ago
telling him to curtail his opinions or refrain from stating them. So he is against free speech basically. I don't get what everyone's obsession with respecting other opinions is. If I insult christianity, I am attacking the religion not you for believing it. It's completely illogical to respect other people's opinions and beliefs for the sake of it. It's only done so people don't get offended. Well screw that, grow up get over yourself people, no one cares if you're offended.
dknightish 2 months ago
xLostInTransit I paraphrase but "God couldn't think of anything better than torturing himself to absolve humanities sins, and that is a depraved notion". That is a direct insult by Dawkins and therefore he is being disrespectful. Don't know why he can't admit it. However there's nothing wrong with it. You should be allowed to criticise whatever you want. If someone attaches themselves to that viewpoint and gets offended, who cares? By telling Dawkings to be more respectful, he is indirectly
dknightish 2 months ago
"People should respect others' views" got the first laugh out of me
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SO it is the word of God, but you pick and choose which, words you agree with lmao
Hulkamania4eva 3 months ago
Perfect response in the opening 60 seconds by Richard
Hulkamania4eva 3 months ago
The religious dude gets so butthurt claiming Dawkins is ridiculing Christianity when he objectively states what is in the Bible without embellishing it with dogmatic jargon. He's basically stating the Bible is ridiculous himself.
As for respecting people's beliefs, they first need to be respectable. I can respect a child, but I won't respect a child's belief in fairies, as it is an illogical one.
weefeatures 3 months ago
That creationist guy is painfully stupid. It hurts to hear him speak. I'm wondering if he's actually a troll, no human can be that fucking mindless.
weefeatures 3 months ago
self sacrifice is amazing and it works. the world needs more of it.
CyprusHot 3 months ago
christains are morons. dawkins states a fundalmental fact in the bible and thats somehow "disrespectful" ???
lightsofjune 3 months ago
everytime I watch Richard Dawkins answer a question of a religious person I only can think "In ur Face" :)
DerMitDemBlunt 3 months ago
07:54 Richard has a hangover :)
Exlocos 3 months ago
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braunblender 3 months ago
Because I'm an Atheist I'm going to kill somebody!
JeffWatersRules 3 months ago 5
@JeffWatersRules go for it, your life has no meaning anyway! :)
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pratapi 3 months ago
I'll dissect what happened clearly.. Dawkins a man of reasoning found the idea of God torturing, humiliating and sacrificing his own son to atone the sins of humanity as being distasteful.. For Tony Burke and Julie Bishop who have believed this 2000 year old idea as absolute ideal mainly because its from scriptures and thousands of other ppl have believed it for thousands of yrs, they felt offended and without any logic called Dawkins as disrespectful.. infact they are the ones disrespectful
pratapi 3 months ago
just for info. muslims don't believe the view that god died for human sins. muslims consider jesus to be a prophet of god which did miracles like other prophets: like giving live to the dead, giving sight to the blind and so on.
yaqubali 3 months ago
Why didnt they ask Richard the Evolutionist how we jumped from the Big Ban theory to the monkey theory and how they have milked money out of Governments Billions in fact to lead people down the wrong way based on created lies that havent worked he says Evolutions is fact nonsense ...
WealthFisher 3 months ago
Good on Tony Burke Richard Dawkins is trying to be intellectual and being a comedy is mocking... he always has an answer he is exposed by Politicians good on them
WealthFisher 3 months ago
@WealthFisher No, actually Hawkins IS being an intellectual and what you wrote makes no sense, ie it is unintelligible babble.. It is correct that he always has an answer but it is incorrect that any point in the debate, he was exposed by politicians. You were 'educated' where, why, and by whom?
jimmybillabong 2 months ago
The bible doesnt say to Kill Homosexuals some people just like to pick some stuff out and misinterpret it , and then they misunderstand the book you see when your concept is wrong then your conclusion is wrong if your conclusion is wrong then your theology is wrong
The Richard Dawkins is trying to be smart and disrespectful he is an idiot ....
WealthFisher 3 months ago
@WealthFisher No,he's succeeding in being smart, not 'trying' to be smart
jimmybillabong 2 months ago
00:35 i love how he's arguing for atheism while using the phrase "sure as hell"
anyway I just wanted to say that Steve Fielding is a tosspot. Who voted for him, come on guys...
JLScarlettt 3 months ago
I'm British and love Aussies, Americans, canadians etc. What I DON'T like is people who beieve they have the damn right to enforce their views on me, my children and society in general.
1TheLoneWolf1 3 months ago
This is why the Brits hate the Aussies.
mikeyg789 3 months ago
@mikeyg789 Mike the Brits do not hate the Australians and we dont hate you Americans either. Some individuals hate emotions are triggered very easily, its because them people are weak.
Skyswinger 3 months ago
@mikeyg789 I've heard of Brits hating the French and Americans, which don't particularly believe, but I've never heard of Brits hating Aussies. The general opinion of Australians with regards to this issue is very much the same as the UK, the vast majority of us are secular humanists, it's just that the point of this show is to present both sides. Unfortunately there are idiots like Steve Fielding in every country in the world.
JLScarlettt 3 months ago
@mikeyg789 youve never heard of the aussie/brit rivalry? they hate australians mainly based on the fact that every autralian ancestor has roots with criminals that fled england for a new land, australians were basically pushed out of england and founded australia...now youve learned a little history
mikeyg789 3 months ago
Why is it that religious people all jump on their high horses as soon as someone points out how illogical their beliefs are. I think Richard Dawkens shows a lot of restraint.
alias41100 3 months ago
you tell them professor dawkin truth hurt huh LOL
SiNgHayStyle 4 months ago
Tony Burke is a fucking idiot.
bigtone12 4 months ago
I love the way some Australian's say "The Boat People!" It just makes me laugh.
ActuallyLiam 4 months ago
To Burk:
Mr. Dawkins plainly stated what you chose to believe in front of everyone, and you overreacted. Tell me, is there a small chance you were ASHAMED to have to admit to the world your faith choice?
Dawkins didn't disrespect your beliefs, but your angry response undermined any chance of you maintaining a shred of personal dignity up there.
xLostInTransit 4 months ago 32
@xLostInTransit Couldn't state it better, it's like someone that might believe in a 2000 year old fairy that grants wishes but used to kill babies with blue eyes, then the believer says.... How dare you mention the fairy kills babies with blue eyes that offends me!! That was a long time ago...He's changed his mind and we don't do that anymore. What!? Religious apologetics.........nuts
Cougar139tweak 2 months ago
Dawkins: How was any of that disrespectful?
Tony: You did.
Respect to Dawkins, that's where I would have walked out.
C4modude 4 months ago 3
I'e come to the conclusion that religious people are generally just ignorant, stubborn, and childish. I expect to get a lot of hateful responses to this, but seriously this is all just so fucking ridiculous. Richard Dawkins is the only truly intelligent person on this panel who isn't brainwashed.
jejo02 4 months ago 59
@jejo02 I've argued with a good amount of theists in my day, and I'll tell you that you are 100% correct. I give them an argument such as the commonly used "Invisible spaghetti monster", and I receive an answer that is basically this, over, and over, and over: "THE BIBLE GOD JESUS BLAH BLAH LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU."
IAmBadatStarcraft 3 months ago
@jejo02 thanks for stating plainly what every logical person is thinking while watching this. well done.
awesomoh4000 3 months ago
@jejo02 That's unfair. You can't blame someone who was brainwashed as a child for believing this nonsense.
ukulazy 2 months ago
@ukulazy I disagree. I was brainwashed as a child (grew up Catholic, went to a Catholic grammar school & high school) and I have still come to realize Religion's ridiculousness. People can do it. Some people just choose not to. The opposing side is out there...if people chose not to entertain it, they are choosing ignorance. That's what I think anyways. If you're gonna believe something that literally guides your life, wouldn't you think it'd be worth a little research/questioning?
jejo02 2 months ago
@jejo02 I was 'brainwashed' as a child by Roman Catholic family but I always remained detached from the idea of a god. Even when I was a child. Doesn't change the fact that some people are more susceptible. German people were convinced as adults to hate a race of people by Hitler, so surely you must see that brainwashing from childhood may cause a lifelong dependence.
ukulazy 2 months ago
@ukulazy I agree it can absolutely cause a lifelong dependence. But same as you, I was brought up Roman Catholic & obviously I'm not religious either. So what I'm saying is that at some point, people should be able to take responsibility for what they allow themselves to believe...bottom line, you aren't defenseless against being brainwashed. You should be able to think critically, especially in this day and age when so many opposing ideas are out there at one's disposal.
jejo02 2 months ago
@jejo02 My parents seprataed when I was really young and only one half of my family was RC. I also had a pretty shit childhood. If I had been raised by a happy family unit, attended an RC church and had RC friends and saw no reason to question my surroundings there is a decent chance I would be RC now. Religion is about nurture, not nature.
ukulazy 2 months ago
@ukulazy I respect you're opinion, but I think it's both nature AND nurture. Not one or the other. People aren't doomed to religious beliefs with absolutely no power over it...Some just have the luxury of perhaps coming to it sooner if they are surrounded by many different ideas.
jejo02 2 months ago
Hmmm... Dawkins is wrong. Morality in a godless universe is tricky. It shouldn't be, but it is. Shame he is so stubborn about that.
ukulazy 2 months ago
@ukulazy Wrong? Why? You just stated your own opinion. How did our current morality develop then? Why do we no longer stone people for minor crimes, kill people for working on the Sabbath day etc etc?
silverysnow92 2 months ago
@jejo02 No hateful responses from me, I think you've got it right!
ianjrivers 2 months ago
@jejo02 if it was hitchens he would had a brutal comback to the idiot that felt offended.
ventura433 2 months ago 2
@ventura433 all hell would have broken loose
MrFedericoaa1982 2 months ago
Dawkins: Let me lean over here...
JJEMTT 4 months ago
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ridicule you? you are doing it yourself.. you`re just to stupid to see it..
Nekronaut321 4 months ago
Religious people know their beliefs are hugely flawed so they automatically get offended when you so much as mention them out loud or apply even the most basic reason or scrutiny to them. (especially those of otherwise average intelligence - enough to understand a simple, factually driven argument)
Its almost like they know their delusional and just want to be left to their madness.
It also reminds me
funnyfacerful 4 months ago
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funnyfacerful 4 months ago
dawkins is making me hot
funnyfacerful 4 months ago
Tony Burke, grow some fucking balls. To think that we can't even argue anymore, INTELLIGENTLY, is absurd. And that is exactly what Tony Burke is bitching about.
xXxRK0xXx 4 months ago
As someone whos non religious brought up in a religious house ive always enjoyed dawkins arguements. But in my opinion when he said ' you can keep it' he implied 'my beliefs are right, yours are wrong and yours are stupid' what burke said is kinda right, its about tolerance. I think dawkins was doing a great job holding his composure for so long being outnumbered. Dont argue with Idiots, they will bring you down to theyre level then beat you with experience.
canonfodder100 4 months ago
when Richard speaks, you just shut the fuck up, and listen.
persarian1 4 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
4:07 lol!
PianistErikOsterberg 5 months ago
I love it when Dawkins "ridicules" them for just citing the bible! Talk about beating their ass with their own damn weapon! Oh my goodness...
dummychaos 5 months ago
Most of these people on the panel look at Richard Dawkins, like a dog being shown a card trick.
(Apologies to Bill Hicks)
abbdoc 5 months ago
Why on earth should god sacrificing itself, in order to atone for a condition he allowed to happen, be considered noble? Are we to assume that an all-powerful loving god really got mad at Adam and Eve for an almost trivial act that he could have completely prevented. If he was all-seeing could he have not stopped the snake, or even better, not created the snake at all? Furthermore, why the need for atonement? Did he regret his decision of dooming all of mankind? Was a sacrifice the only option?
VincitOmniaVerit 5 months ago
This panel clearly demonstrates the mental games that believers go through in order to justify their faith. Fielding said that he doesnt belive gays should be shunned or killed while knowing full well that the bible explicitly and emphatically demands this. Clearly his morality clashes with his belief in the bible, hence he cannot give straightforward answers lest he reveals this contradiction. In other words, they know their religion is downright harmful but they cant seem to accept it.
VincitOmniaVerit 5 months ago
You know, Dawkins indeed probably doesn't respect religion in the bottom of his heart.
But in a public debate, Dawkins has every right to profess his reasoning regarding the fallacy of religion. He isn't being rude. He's simply making a point.
A public intellectual debate would require debunking of ideas, whether you like it or not. Otherwise, that would not be a very productive debate.
Get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.
LensterL 5 months ago 3
@LensterL Indeed, and the whole "lack of respect" ploy is just a trademark 'get out of jail' card for the religious side of the debates.
Because the moment someone pleads that they are being disrespected, everyone on their side will rally to their support. It is an excuse to avoid being evaluated.
ShadeOnTheUtube 5 months ago
because i'm an atheist i will...
i got nothing, i'm just hungry. :/
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neo-Darwinism is interpreted wrongly.
KowaruKei 5 months ago
Respect is earn't not freely given out.
krissyeh 5 months ago
Dawkins is going H.A.M.
2yung4grey 5 months ago
They all missed the point even thou they were practically spelling it out. People is motivated by their dogma in general whether its a religion or an ideology. I think later in the show Richard Dawkins mentions this but not sure were.
kaikincaid96 5 months ago
Serial killers who accept Jesus go to Heaven, while purse snatchers that don't go to Hell. Christianity is, to use an evangelical phrase, beyond morality. Life, according to this view, isn't a test of virtue, but a test of faith. This makes a mockery of the claim that our modern morality is founded on Christianity.
logician360 5 months ago
I think Richard Dawkins is too polite and soft on this creationist morons. If Christopher Hitchen was here instead he would have crucify these morons.
SromolKhmer 5 months ago
That minister is redneck ^^
neprejebljivCOVJEK 5 months ago
Tony Bourke is an idiot.
MunisAwesome 5 months ago
Although I do not believe in god, I think Dawkin's argument against the logical conclusion is wrong. Thousands of priests and religious leaders were killed simply because they were religious. Same thing in Mao's China, where the cultural revolution wanted to overthrow old religious ideals.
Ermal8711 5 months ago
@Ermal8711
That was due to communism and not to atheism, however.
OdinLowe 5 months ago
@Well, in those countries they were killed because of the policies that promoted atheism. Albania became an "Atheist state" in 67 and very soon began killing hundreds of religious leaders.
Ermal8711 5 months ago
@Ermal8711 Makes no difference; atheism doesn't lead you to do that; a pseudo-religion that involves faith like communism may well lead one to do that
OdinLowe 5 months ago
Strange how some religious people feel that they're being ridiculed when someone points out what their texts actually say. Instead of defending their position they cry persecution. Dawkins didn't write the bible.
delphicoracles 5 months ago
@delphicoracles Amen!!! :) I was about to state the same thing.
MarkRosengarten 5 months ago
Dawkins looked so pissed off in the thumbnail
MikeEmery9 5 months ago
Also what a hypocrite julia and toney, "Be respectful in a debate blah blah blah" Yeh like you and the rest of the politicians are to each other during your debates? ow wait this is different because Dawkins was shredding the rest of you to pieces and you didnt have 40 other people standing behind you to muffle him out with boo's.
shmoriy 5 months ago
@4:07 Dawkins: Looking up.. still cant see god.. or any messages...
jonjon2034 5 months ago
I love how the christians say the whole stalin mao etc people, the stuff they did had nothing to do with being athiest!!! Toney Burke is a moron.
shmoriy 5 months ago
@shmoriy but they'll go on believing it was like that.....just like they continue believing in the bible XD
freiheitsalv 5 months ago
I think the people in the audience who said that vicarious redemption is a good thing should be ashamed of themselves. Whatever happened to personal responsibility and moral fibre.
Zed1967 6 months ago
It's....Yes...Good. Take a cross. Indoctrination is over there. Excellent. Otherwise, take a seat right over here. The authorities will be with you in a moment. And THAT is the real problem that Richard Dawkins is trying to explain. That closed mindedness is a lingering morbid reality that sadly still burdens every aspect of our "current situation."
alittlecreepywhenyou 6 months ago
These dopes play the "Oh, why can't you respect other people's religious views" when they *KNOW* they are losing the debate!
They have to deflect the argument to cry that they are being picked on. Prof. Dawkins is nothing but respectful and dignified in all of his arguments and comments.
Turandot29 6 months ago
@Turandot29 Yeah its the typical ridiculous viewpoint that somehow Religion and the fairy tale books its produced are an infallible and untouchable subject that cannot be judged. Its like someone saying that no one can bad mouth the Harry Potter novels because it offends those who believe wizards and witches are real. Utter garbage.
MerryGoFuckYourself 5 months ago
Wow what a sanctimonious wanker Tony Burke is. When he started that smug bullshit trying to take the high road I wanted to reach through the monitor and punch him in the face. How I wish it been Christopher Hitchens instead of Dawkins on the panel he would of torn the guy a new asshole. Dawkins is great hes just too polite sometimes.
MerryGoFuckYourself 6 months ago 20
@MerryGoFuckYourself and ironically, he gets so much unfair criticism for being strident and impolite! The discussion only got heated when Dawkins honestly stated what Christians must believe if they follow the new testament. Funny that it was the 2 "reasonable" liberal christians that got all hot under the collar and then proceeded to smear him for it. Think about what it is that you actually believe people.
horseit100 4 months ago
Tony Burke is an idiot, he just keeps bleating about respect and doesn't seem to have much else constructive to say. Aside from that, the way he spoke to Richard Dawkins didn't show the slightest amount of respect - even though Richard Dawkins deserves about 100,000,000,000,000% more respect than Tony Burke does.
rhiixx29 6 months ago 49
@rhiixx29 I was going to make a similar comment, all I will add is this, the only way the panel could win a intellectual debate with Mr Dawkins, is to make false claim as to what Richard said. I listened to his statement several times. This behaivour is typical of, illeducated persons wishing to have moral high ground over people that are completely correct.
gunning4fools 5 months ago
3:10 and forward a bit, am I the only one thinking Richard is struggling not to laugh? xD
Zhippy 6 months ago
Dawkins said "Sure as Hell." :P
Paused the video at 1:07, so I don't know if someone will bring it up, but that's the first time I noticed a literal incompatibility from him. Which sure as hell doesn't mean anything, lol's.
PsychoPlumber 6 months ago
its like an arguement between someone who cares Vs a few people that really dont give a shit?
erbey91 6 months ago