sweet! Now that is a video worth seeing. that is what we want to see when we are looking for unexplained mysteries and antiquities and proof of life that we dont understand. not all those fake ufos and stupid alien vids that mean nothing.
@ironwork92000 AMEN! We all have the same stories if you trace us far enough back, because we all came from the same family, and if you go back far enough you reach the stories taught by only a few generations from our original family unit. Hence all cultures in the world have a myth about a great flood, a golden age that ended, and a separation of people who went off as far out into the far corners of the earth as they could go, and became the legendary founders of individual nations.
I find paleontological discoveries in China much more intriguing. While most info about the dead cultures will remain a mystery forever, the human evolution and migration is truly worthy finding out.
i believe that we were interfered with by highly intelligent life as is described by the sumerian (6000BC) and sanskrit (9000BC).....I mean just research the egyptian technology...Also I also belive very firmly that atlantis existed as described by plato and his grandfather and as is also mentioned by traditional indonesians..the reason they havent found the evidence of atlantis is that they are looking in the wrong hemisphere
the ancient world was not separated by impenetrable walls. people travel. to insist that ALL natives in North and South America were a homogenous race is an outdated idea.
American Indians of the North West are very close to looking Chinese the hats
that are worn facial hair like Chinese and anchors right off the coast. There is even a supposed map found it is said that Zheng He went there. It shows American coast.
native american peoples could be the parent stock of asian peoples... what if they went the other way on the migration routes? this is a perfectly reasonable theory. none of these professionals really know a damn thing for sure!
it is also possible that native americans crossed the other way on the berring strait, thus populating asia, making native americans the parent stock of asians. or, it could be no one really knows a damn thing for sure at this point.
American Native Indians indeed had HAN Chinese heritage. They migrated to America during ice age. During ice age, the ocean between China and America was covered by thick ice !
because in present days, inter-marriage going on between native Indians and white Americans/Canadians. You don't find half-Chinese people lookalike Chinese.
@smartgirlfat That is an absolutist statement that over-simplifies things to an extreme degree. People who are half-Chinese don't all look alike, hell, people who are 100% Chinese don't look alike. All races exist on a continuum, there are no clear lines between them. Some people who are half Asian don't look Asian at all, and some look very Asian, real life is a bit more complicated than your simplistic racial theories.
It depends. Those on the Pacific Northwest, Alaska, and the Yukon look very Mongoloid. I have been mistaken as an Alsakan native many times. The Aleuts are almost indisguinsable from Asians.
@AmPeaceInHeart Some do. Again, race is a continuum, where we draw the line between one race and another is completely arbitrary. Not all American Indians look the same, not all Chinese look the same, some Chinese look like American Indians, and some American Indians look Chinese.
@AmPeaceInHeart In a sense, in that all human bloodlines eventually trace back to the same place in Africa, but not in the sense that Chinese or Koreans made contact with American Indians, from across the Pacific. There is simply no evidence of such a migration, aside from a few minor, superficial similarities between objects made from totally different materials. If the Shang had made contact with the Indians, we would be finding bronzes here.
@yerk3 last ice age was 18 000 years ago. earliest bronze age was 3000 years ago. can u puzzle it together now? maybe Indian ancestors started to migrate before bronze age thus never brought the technology with them. if wolly mammoth travelled across the glacier from siberia to north america, then why cant humans?
@AnjuABCDE Well then, there is no evidence that there was any precolumbian migration from China to America. Not only are the artifacts made of completely different materials, and only share vague superficial similarities, but they were also made thousands of years apart. No civilization has art that looks the same for that long, things change over decades, not to mention millenia. If the Chinese migrated before the invention of bronze, then their art probably looked much different.
@AnjuABCDE Humans can and did travel over the land bridge, but they weren't from China, they were from Siberia. The land bridge was what is now the Bering Strait, and the Bering strait runs from Siberia to Alaska. It doesn't go anywhere near China.
@yerk3 Where did siberian come from? check out Ket people. White russians were migrated from europe, but Ket people share characteristics with east asians. Im not specifically saying that american native came from china, but they definatly share ancestry with east asians. They could have came from korea or japan if that makes you happy. but then koreans and japanese were from china couple thousands years ago too.
@AnjuABCDE That's odd, because that's what it looked like you were saying: that the American Indians are somehow descended from specifically the Han Chinese.
@yerk3 American Indians are not decendent of Han, American Indian, Han , japanese, korean mongol etc etc are decendents of a clan thousands of years ago. American indian and Han can be considered in the same generation. its like you are not decendent from your brother, but u and ur brother are decendent of a same mother or father. get my point now?
@AnjuABCDE While all humans are descended from a common source, "clan" is too specific. Mitochondrial DNA indicates that all humans are descended from a woman who lived in Africa some time almost a million years ago, but it doesn't conjecture about what kind of culture she had, or if her people traveled in clans.
@AnjuABCDE The American Indians and the Han are not "the same generation," civilizations don't have generations like humans, they exist, schism and fracure, inspire other cultures and are eventually overwhelmed by a more dominant culture.
@AnjuABCDE The Koreans and the Japanese are not "from the Chinese." The Japanese were originally from two main ethnic groups, the Ainu, in the North, who originally came from Siberia, and another ethnic group who probably came from Korea, due to the similarities, in both design and technique, between artifacts found in Japan and Korea from roughly the time of the Bronze Age.
@yerk3 if you think Japanese and korean are not descendent of early chinese ur crazy. i guess u never felt the similitarties btw shanghainese/southern dialect and japanese. you never noticed the similarity mandarin and korean. as a speaker of both language i can assure you the some of the words, phrases are very similar.
If you traveled to korea the tour guide would tell you that the korean (written) language was created 2000 years ago because they want to stop using chinese writing.
@AnjuABCDE There is no similarity between Japanese and any other language except for Korean, and that is a distant relation, from several thousand years ago. The first contact the Chinese had with the Japanese was in the 1st century A.D, and the Han scholars and cartographers described a people with a culture and language completely alien to their own.
@yerk3 do u speak any of the these asian languages?mandarin, korean , cantonese, japanese, shanghainese? i can tell you i understand the korean swear words because we say almost the same thing in mandarin.
during the reign of qin shi huang he send out ships containing 3000 boy and 3000 girls all in their teens out to the east in search of forever living medicine. they never returned. it is widely believed by chinese and japanese that those people landed in japan populated japan
@yerk3 also , im not saying there were no native ppl in japan before but those ships brought crop seeds and technologies and set the fundamentals for japan at the time.
@AnjuABCDE The only similarity between Japanese and any form of Chinese is the writing system, which, like the rest of Japan's cultural borrowings from China, was aimed at impressing visitors from the Imperial court, with the goal of securing political alliances.
@AnjuABCDE There is no similarity between Mandarin and Korean, aside from perhaps a few borrow words. They are distinct languages from completely different origins. The existence of a few similar words only suggests borrowing, not that one language was completely descended from the other. English, for instance, has a lot of words borrowed from Latin, but in its basic structure, and in the remainder of the words, it is still a Germanic language.
@yerk3 what unified china was the was the writting system and thats what chinese identify themselves by. you grew up in one provence you wont understand the chinese another province speaks. but once ur write it down everyone understands. this is something alexander the great or another european conqueror failed to do. you can have different accents doesnt matter how differnet it sounds, but when u put it in writing and i understands, you are my people.
@yerk3 i understand what your english example as i studies that in school, but you gotta understand its the writing that defined the chinese race, i guess u can put that under Han's name. we r getting off topic, my point is, "asian" and north american indian may possibility have came from the same clan thousand of years ago. the asian at the time is not Han chinese, when they deviated china wasnt even formed. american indians can be considered as brothers of asian but not descendent of chines
@yerk3 in korea there are lots of artifact that had chinese on them. dating back 2 thousands years. if you dont believe me, you can go there and check it out.
again, " I " personally never anything about relation btw Han chinese. there must be a original clan tribe etc all asians originated from. from that some migrated out and became siberian, Malaysian pacific islanders etc. migration of chinese to korea/japan can be found in chinese historian recordings
@AnjuABCDE Do you realize that in an attempt to aggrandize your own culture, you are degrading others' cultures? Have you told any Koreans about your theories? That the bronze implements their ancestors made were actually Chinese? The Koreans adopted some cultural elements from the Chinese, but only because the Chinese were the dominant culture at the time, it had nothing to do with ethnicity, and it only dates to certain periods.
@yerk3 what i said was not my theory, i was told by my tour guide which was korean if you please. you have not seen the artifacts your self as i have. you have not seen the seals dating thousands years back as i have. there is a difference from reading internet pages than seeing the actual object yourself. if you doubt chinese migrations to korea you are welcome to visit korea and see the cultures your self.
@yerk3 ill gave u a example of ja jong myeon, which is a very popular korean noodle. but if you know anything, you will know the dish was a deviation of a chinese dish ja jiang mian. Chinese migrants in early 1900 introduced it to koreans and they loved. over the years there were some special ingredients used in korean version but not chinese version. this is a korean deviation from an original chinese root. you can say the korean dish are unique but it originated from the chinese
@yerk3 similar to your bronze age art, the technique of how to make bronze might be introduced to korea by central chinese at the time, but how they choose to mold it or decorate it is Korean's choice.
@yerk3 please alow me to correct myself. the korean written language hangul, was invented by king sejong(respect for such invention) in 1443. before that people wrote chinese and many people (peasants) consider it to be difficult and thus hangul was invented for simplicity. so before 1443 they used chinese as their official transcript language. so they officially started to deviate from chinese 600 years ago, how can you say they are are related to mainland china?
@AnjuABCDE The Koreans certainly didn't "come from the Chinese." They're two distinct cultures whose languages aren't even related, whereas Korean is distantly related to Japanese.
@yerk3 I didnt say they are direct decendent of "Han chinese" when did i ever say that. China is composed of a variety of different ethnicities not just han. Han is majority but not all. I dont think westerners like you understand this concept you try to differentiate and box people too much.
@AnjuABCDE These other ethnicities were not called "Chinese" until they came under the dominion of the Han empire. To call them "Chinese," just because they came from a place that was either within or close to the borders of the modern Chinese republic demonstrates historical ignorance, since many of those borders are less than 100 years old, and the older historical Chinese empires had a much smaller footprint, mostly concentrated in the East.
@yerk3 do u consider american indians americans? do u consider your self american or what ever country ur ancestors came from. do u consider Hawaiians americans american? why is hawaii even part of US, its like so far away what kind of occupation is that. I guess all the ethinicities in america should be subdivided in to specific groups and minorities will always carry their country of origin infront of american unless they are white.
@AnjuABCDE I consider myself an American because I was born in the U.S. and am a citizen. My ancestors weren't American, they were mostly German and Scottish, with some Indians, though I don't know which nation or tribe they were from.
@yerk3 some indian..... 1/8 or 1/4 of indian in you erases horrific deed the other 7/8 had done. sorry, i really feel bad for indians on how their lands were taken. I do not wish to continue to argue with u because to me its like arguing with a table (you may feel the same).
@AnjuABCDE I don't consider my Indian ancestors "American" because they lived before their lands were incorporated into the U.S. If they were Sioux or Comanches, they would have considered themselves Sioux or Comanche, not Americans. To them, the "Americans" were foreign occupiers. Modern Hawaiians are Americans because Hawaii is currently part of the U.S. Before the 20th century, they were an autonomous kingdom, their ancestors from that time should be considered Hawaiians, not Americans.
@yerk3 no shit. of Indians shouldn't consider themselves americans while they were being conquered. but after they were conquered they are considered americans be now they are lawful citizens. With ur hawaiian illustration u didnt understand what i was saying. i want say american sub divid to a point that minorities are never considered real american. you have names such as native american, african american, asian american etc, but only white american is called "american".
@AnjuABCDE I'm not saying that the modern descendants of ethnicities in modern countries shouldn't be considered members of those countries, but I was never talking about modern China or modern America, I have always been talking about ancient peoples. People other than the Han, who lived in a time before the Han took over their lands, shouldn't be called "Chinese," just as Indians who lived North America before the U.S. existed shouldn't be called "Americans."
@yerk3 I said Han ethnicity defined since Han dynasty (200BC). all the people from the 7 warring states formed 1 new unified ethnicity and they called themselves Han. yes before that people obviously had their own clans and names but was unified.
My point again. american natives and asians had a common ancester originated from asia. Indians moved to north america and the rest stayed. the ones that stayed populated asia. does that make you happier? no more chinese in your blood?
@AnjuABCDE In a modern context, people who are not ethnically Han can of course be citizens of the People's Republic of China, and in that aspect "Chinese," but in a historical context, especially as far back in history as we're talking about, when there wouldn't even be a country called "China" until thousands of years later when Shi Huangdi would create it, only Han civilizations should be called "Chinese."
@yerk3 im not disagreeing with u on this. what r u trying to prove? china is a english name. we dont have china in our language, we call ourselves zhong guo ( middle kingdom). obviously back 2000 years ago only shi huangdi's ppl would call them self chinese. i wouldnt call my self french for no reason
@AnjuABCDE I was not attributing the word "China" to Shi Huangdi, only the idea of a unified state, ruled and dominated culturally by the Han, but encompassing the homelands of other ethnic groups.
@AnjuABCDE < I asked a Taoist priest about the age of Taoism; acc to him, it is 60,000yrs old philosophy. During that history, they went to India to get secret of "the heart sutra" as in the "legend of the monkey god."
Recent excavation in India show 30,000BCE artifacts !
I think there was a big land mass where pacific ocean is which got hit by asteroid and one of the planet between Mars/Jupiter disintegrated to pour more water on our earth. So American Indians being ex-Zhong Guo is possible.
@AnjuABCDE I'm not trying to box people into groups, any more than they've been boxing themselves themselves for as long as there have been historical records. I'm trying to counteract your attempts to claim them all as your own to suit whatever ethnic or nationalistic bias you may have.
@yerk3 im not suiting everybody to be han. everyone in china knows what ethinicity they belong to, its on the passport or id cards. but what u dont understand is we dont talk about it. it doesnt matter to us, to me at least. im han and i have manchurian, mongol and hui chinese friends. i only get to discover their ethinicty after a long time cuz we dont identify ourselves too specifically. its very exotic in china right now if u belong to a minority, u get more benefits than han Chinese.
@AnjuABCDE You are "suiting" everyone to the "Chinese," whatever you're using that word to mean. If you do not mean the Han, then what do you mean? What is your criteria to classify ancient people, who lived and died before there was ever any concept of a unified Chinese state, "Chinese?" If you're not claiming everyone for the Han, then why did you try to pass off Korean borrow-words from Cantonese, a Han language, as evidence that that the Koreans were originally "from the Chinese?"
@AnjuABCDE You may not "talk about it" now, but things haven't always been the way they are now, and they certainly weren't during the Ice Age. The only reason you have the system you have now is because of modern government policies, modern national boundaries and modern ideas of inclusiveness. You are describing a system and custom that is less than 100 years old, that is entirely a product of the 20th and 21st centuries.
@yerk3 you think its modern, Chinese had national boundries and custom, population document system since 400 bc. people needed a passport like board inorder to travel btw warring states. what you consider as modern we had long ago, europeans just modified it and thought they invented everything.
@yerk3 im not even talking about invention , dominance or anything. im talking about that north americans and chinese had the same time to evolve and had their own deviated cultures. its like your mom gave birth to u and ur brother, but u happen to studied harder and became richer than ur brother. u hypothetically is the han chinese and ur brother hypothetically is native americans. u and ur brother are still related but ur brother is the the decendent of you but of ur parents . get it?
@yerk3 you seem angry. why r u so angry when ppl speculate north americans maybe decendents of asians. We are all related. white/black asian ppl. we just started deviating at different times. natives and asians deviated at a later time thats all. relax man.
@AnjuABCDE I'm not angry, how do you get that impression? I just value truth over people's misguided attempts to edit history to their personal liking. Yes, we are all related, we established that before, but this in no way implies that American Indians are the direct descendants of Han Chinese. There is simply no evidence of any contact between the Han Chinese, at least at any point after they began to identify themselves ethnically as Han, had any contact with pre-Collumbian North America.
@yerk3 technically, Han chinese only started to identify themselves with that name since the Han dynasty which was around 200 BC. So technically no one identified themself to be han before then, they were Chu people, qin people etc. Han ethenicity established after the first Han emperor Liu Bang.
PS: i feel offended when Westerners like you break us chinese ethnicities down to han , man, mongol etc. We are one, we are unified and will not break apart.
@AnjuABCDE There is speculation that Jeng He landed in California 100 years before Collumbus, but this hypothesis has no physical evidence to back it up, no Chinese artifacts from that time period were found anywhere on the West Coast, and Jeng He himself never mentions anywhere that resembles anywhere on the West Coast at that time.
@smartgirlfat hoo boy, you really need to watch making a statement like that. I don't suppose you know about the Na Dene-Yenesei language and DNA connection?
What Ocean exactly is it that seperates China and America? Which America?
There's not really anything to support your theory. IF THEY WALKED, and that's a big IF, It is far more likely they migrated across the Siberian/Alaskan stretch than across the Indian Ocean AND Atlantic Ocean. I believe it was a boat, and likely by accident that one continent found the other.
@smartgirlfat The people who migrated during the Ice Age were from Siberia, not China. The Pacific was never "covered in thick ice." There were glaciers, but they didn't bridge the Pacific. There was the Bering Strait, which turned into a land bridge during the Ice Age, but it connected Alaska with Siberia, not Han China.
@smartgirlfat What? First of all, I never said I was a student of any kind. Second, I'm arguing that Native American's came from now day Russia. Russia was founded around 800 AD, the Tsardom of Russia was founded in 1547 and the Russian Federation was founded in 1991.
@skippyheartrolie True...to an extent. Only the Denesuline and Inuit share DNA with Siberians. The rest are of different "stock". Also, the Bering Strait Theory is dated and has never been proven. Recent research has shown that the theory was actually more political than scientific.
@AmPeaceInHeart Simple answer: NO. Do you have any idea what the world was like in 10,000 BC? That was before there was even higher forms of civilization in Egypt and Iraq, where the earliest urban civilizations first appeared. Like Mycenaean Greece, higher Chinese civilization came into being around the middle of the 2nd millennium BC (c. 1600 BC) with the Shang Dynasty. Before that, just neolithic people. Han Chinese as an ethnic group did not exist until the Han Dynasty (202 BC - 220 AD).
@EricMetalGuitarist and then happens the Noah's flood for Jews or the flood of Deucalion and then starts the 3 period of history of ancient greece also the ancient greek languange is one of the most powerful may and the only one powerful language and the language of nature of the world and i can prove it f.e. the word God in ancient greece and still now is with 4 letters as the name of the god in the holy bible and it they create the word before even the Jews learn the name of the only one GOD
@whohwa One US indian tribe was able to understand japanese radio messages in WWII. No one questioned it though...they wondered why but never questioned it.
sweet! Now that is a video worth seeing. that is what we want to see when we are looking for unexplained mysteries and antiquities and proof of life that we dont understand. not all those fake ufos and stupid alien vids that mean nothing.
evocative01 2 months ago
It's nice to see all this Chinese civilization in the far history,
rather I would see human rights in the presence and future
akkafietje 3 months ago
If only the nations could show off the nice things that they all do instead of fight.
ironwork92000 3 months ago
@ironwork92000 AMEN! We all have the same stories if you trace us far enough back, because we all came from the same family, and if you go back far enough you reach the stories taught by only a few generations from our original family unit. Hence all cultures in the world have a myth about a great flood, a golden age that ended, and a separation of people who went off as far out into the far corners of the earth as they could go, and became the legendary founders of individual nations.
LanceHertford 2 months ago
Neat stuff....so much about our human history is unknown and current theories are being rewritten almost daily.
Sayris13 4 months ago
A clone is the same as an identical twin. You can not reincarnate by being cloned.
buckwats 4 months ago
excellent
therhinoguards 4 months ago
1:16 :)
bestplugins 5 months ago
DYNASTY WARRIORS lol
JohnnyEX98 5 months ago
absolutely amazing detail on some of the artefacts,
methods for production all now lost in time.
who would go to those lengths now in respect of their dead ?
great video,
doner6961 5 months ago
Great video!
GrizzlyGroundswell 6 months ago
Great must see. Some stuff looks Mayan, also note inverted pyramid at end of movie. - C.
TheCandace4arts 8 months ago
Absolutely breath taking. I love antiquity!
octavian88888888 9 months ago 7
these are hmong stuff!
StandfordDK 10 months ago
I'm the 30,000th viewer. Do I get a prize?
aaronmyers1982 11 months ago
I find paleontological discoveries in China much more intriguing. While most info about the dead cultures will remain a mystery forever, the human evolution and migration is truly worthy finding out.
timfidotru 1 year ago
i believe that we were interfered with by highly intelligent life as is described by the sumerian (6000BC) and sanskrit (9000BC).....I mean just research the egyptian technology...Also I also belive very firmly that atlantis existed as described by plato and his grandfather and as is also mentioned by traditional indonesians..the reason they havent found the evidence of atlantis is that they are looking in the wrong hemisphere
ValukaX 1 year ago
I am really starting to think that highly intelligent life came here and told these people they would return to resurrect them aka cloning.
poopyscoopy5 1 year ago 9
@poopyscoopy5
Or they simply hoped humanity would turn out evolved enough to revive them.
TheGoatherdGod 6 months ago
@longfootbuddy O.K. Thanks there are also other North American tribes that can as well.
dragonseptor 1 year ago
THEMASK OF THE ANCESTORS OF MEGATRON.........PROOF THEY WERE HERE LONG AGO!!!!
taikogi 1 year ago
the ancient world was not separated by impenetrable walls. people travel. to insist that ALL natives in North and South America were a homogenous race is an outdated idea.
alexandria211 1 year ago
@Hanul91 There are white natives of Japan call Ainu also.
There were remains of Celtic people near China also areas
where where the Eskimos are found there White race there before
Asian nomadic people arrived. And at the tip of S.America remains of people like the Native Aboriginals of Australia are found. But really
look these things up for yourself.
dragonseptor 1 year ago
@dragonseptor Scientists shows that the ainu have no genetic relations with europeans, only their phenotypes resemble whites.
owardis397 1 year ago
American Indians of the North West are very close to looking Chinese the hats
that are worn facial hair like Chinese and anchors right off the coast. There is even a supposed map found it is said that Zheng He went there. It shows American coast.
dragonseptor 1 year ago
@dragonseptor
Native Americans is closer to Siberians or Altaics, not Chinese people.
Hanul91 1 year ago
native american peoples could be the parent stock of asian peoples... what if they went the other way on the migration routes? this is a perfectly reasonable theory. none of these professionals really know a damn thing for sure!
broadwaychick293 1 year ago
it is also possible that native americans crossed the other way on the berring strait, thus populating asia, making native americans the parent stock of asians. or, it could be no one really knows a damn thing for sure at this point.
broadwaychick293 1 year ago
some of the art looks like amerindians totems.
M1GreenEagle 2 years ago 7
American Native Indians indeed had HAN Chinese heritage. They migrated to America during ice age. During ice age, the ocean between China and America was covered by thick ice !
smartgirlfat 2 years ago 2
not proved yet, American inidans don't look like CHnese han.
AmPeaceInHeart 2 years ago
because in present days, inter-marriage going on between native Indians and white Americans/Canadians. You don't find half-Chinese people lookalike Chinese.
smartgirlfat 2 years ago
Is there any evidence from view of the male DNA?
AmPeaceInHeart 2 years ago
@smartgirlfat That is an absolutist statement that over-simplifies things to an extreme degree. People who are half-Chinese don't all look alike, hell, people who are 100% Chinese don't look alike. All races exist on a continuum, there are no clear lines between them. Some people who are half Asian don't look Asian at all, and some look very Asian, real life is a bit more complicated than your simplistic racial theories.
yerk3 1 year ago
It depends. Those on the Pacific Northwest, Alaska, and the Yukon look very Mongoloid. I have been mistaken as an Alsakan native many times. The Aleuts are almost indisguinsable from Asians.
Maohammet 2 years ago
@AmPeaceInHeart Some do. Again, race is a continuum, where we draw the line between one race and another is completely arbitrary. Not all American Indians look the same, not all Chinese look the same, some Chinese look like American Indians, and some American Indians look Chinese.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 then as you said, it shoud be "some American inida maybe related to the part of Chinese, and/or Japenese Korean etc."
AmPeaceInHeart 1 year ago
@AmPeaceInHeart In a sense, in that all human bloodlines eventually trace back to the same place in Africa, but not in the sense that Chinese or Koreans made contact with American Indians, from across the Pacific. There is simply no evidence of such a migration, aside from a few minor, superficial similarities between objects made from totally different materials. If the Shang had made contact with the Indians, we would be finding bronzes here.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 last ice age was 18 000 years ago. earliest bronze age was 3000 years ago. can u puzzle it together now? maybe Indian ancestors started to migrate before bronze age thus never brought the technology with them. if wolly mammoth travelled across the glacier from siberia to north america, then why cant humans?
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE Well then, there is no evidence that there was any precolumbian migration from China to America. Not only are the artifacts made of completely different materials, and only share vague superficial similarities, but they were also made thousands of years apart. No civilization has art that looks the same for that long, things change over decades, not to mention millenia. If the Chinese migrated before the invention of bronze, then their art probably looked much different.
yerk3 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE Humans can and did travel over the land bridge, but they weren't from China, they were from Siberia. The land bridge was what is now the Bering Strait, and the Bering strait runs from Siberia to Alaska. It doesn't go anywhere near China.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 Where did siberian come from? check out Ket people. White russians were migrated from europe, but Ket people share characteristics with east asians. Im not specifically saying that american native came from china, but they definatly share ancestry with east asians. They could have came from korea or japan if that makes you happy. but then koreans and japanese were from china couple thousands years ago too.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE That's odd, because that's what it looked like you were saying: that the American Indians are somehow descended from specifically the Han Chinese.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 American Indians are not decendent of Han, American Indian, Han , japanese, korean mongol etc etc are decendents of a clan thousands of years ago. American indian and Han can be considered in the same generation. its like you are not decendent from your brother, but u and ur brother are decendent of a same mother or father. get my point now?
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE While all humans are descended from a common source, "clan" is too specific. Mitochondrial DNA indicates that all humans are descended from a woman who lived in Africa some time almost a million years ago, but it doesn't conjecture about what kind of culture she had, or if her people traveled in clans.
yerk3 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE The American Indians and the Han are not "the same generation," civilizations don't have generations like humans, they exist, schism and fracure, inspire other cultures and are eventually overwhelmed by a more dominant culture.
yerk3 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE The Koreans and the Japanese are not "from the Chinese." The Japanese were originally from two main ethnic groups, the Ainu, in the North, who originally came from Siberia, and another ethnic group who probably came from Korea, due to the similarities, in both design and technique, between artifacts found in Japan and Korea from roughly the time of the Bronze Age.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 if you think Japanese and korean are not descendent of early chinese ur crazy. i guess u never felt the similitarties btw shanghainese/southern dialect and japanese. you never noticed the similarity mandarin and korean. as a speaker of both language i can assure you the some of the words, phrases are very similar.
If you traveled to korea the tour guide would tell you that the korean (written) language was created 2000 years ago because they want to stop using chinese writing.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE There is no similarity between Japanese and any other language except for Korean, and that is a distant relation, from several thousand years ago. The first contact the Chinese had with the Japanese was in the 1st century A.D, and the Han scholars and cartographers described a people with a culture and language completely alien to their own.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 do u speak any of the these asian languages?mandarin, korean , cantonese, japanese, shanghainese? i can tell you i understand the korean swear words because we say almost the same thing in mandarin.
during the reign of qin shi huang he send out ships containing 3000 boy and 3000 girls all in their teens out to the east in search of forever living medicine. they never returned. it is widely believed by chinese and japanese that those people landed in japan populated japan
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE < When I hear Mandarin, it sounds like Sanskrit but has different script.
Zeno1999 1 year ago
@yerk3 also , im not saying there were no native ppl in japan before but those ships brought crop seeds and technologies and set the fundamentals for japan at the time.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE The only similarity between Japanese and any form of Chinese is the writing system, which, like the rest of Japan's cultural borrowings from China, was aimed at impressing visitors from the Imperial court, with the goal of securing political alliances.
yerk3 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE There is no similarity between Mandarin and Korean, aside from perhaps a few borrow words. They are distinct languages from completely different origins. The existence of a few similar words only suggests borrowing, not that one language was completely descended from the other. English, for instance, has a lot of words borrowed from Latin, but in its basic structure, and in the remainder of the words, it is still a Germanic language.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 what unified china was the was the writting system and thats what chinese identify themselves by. you grew up in one provence you wont understand the chinese another province speaks. but once ur write it down everyone understands. this is something alexander the great or another european conqueror failed to do. you can have different accents doesnt matter how differnet it sounds, but when u put it in writing and i understands, you are my people.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@yerk3 i understand what your english example as i studies that in school, but you gotta understand its the writing that defined the chinese race, i guess u can put that under Han's name. we r getting off topic, my point is, "asian" and north american indian may possibility have came from the same clan thousand of years ago. the asian at the time is not Han chinese, when they deviated china wasnt even formed. american indians can be considered as brothers of asian but not descendent of chines
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@yerk3 in korea there are lots of artifact that had chinese on them. dating back 2 thousands years. if you dont believe me, you can go there and check it out.
again, " I " personally never anything about relation btw Han chinese. there must be a original clan tribe etc all asians originated from. from that some migrated out and became siberian, Malaysian pacific islanders etc. migration of chinese to korea/japan can be found in chinese historian recordings
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE Do you realize that in an attempt to aggrandize your own culture, you are degrading others' cultures? Have you told any Koreans about your theories? That the bronze implements their ancestors made were actually Chinese? The Koreans adopted some cultural elements from the Chinese, but only because the Chinese were the dominant culture at the time, it had nothing to do with ethnicity, and it only dates to certain periods.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 what i said was not my theory, i was told by my tour guide which was korean if you please. you have not seen the artifacts your self as i have. you have not seen the seals dating thousands years back as i have. there is a difference from reading internet pages than seeing the actual object yourself. if you doubt chinese migrations to korea you are welcome to visit korea and see the cultures your self.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE In the early Bronze Age art, the Korean bronzes are unique and different from anything found in China at that time.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 ill gave u a example of ja jong myeon, which is a very popular korean noodle. but if you know anything, you will know the dish was a deviation of a chinese dish ja jiang mian. Chinese migrants in early 1900 introduced it to koreans and they loved. over the years there were some special ingredients used in korean version but not chinese version. this is a korean deviation from an original chinese root. you can say the korean dish are unique but it originated from the chinese
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@yerk3 similar to your bronze age art, the technique of how to make bronze might be introduced to korea by central chinese at the time, but how they choose to mold it or decorate it is Korean's choice.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@yerk3 please alow me to correct myself. the korean written language hangul, was invented by king sejong(respect for such invention) in 1443. before that people wrote chinese and many people (peasants) consider it to be difficult and thus hangul was invented for simplicity. so before 1443 they used chinese as their official transcript language. so they officially started to deviate from chinese 600 years ago, how can you say they are are related to mainland china?
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE The Koreans certainly didn't "come from the Chinese." They're two distinct cultures whose languages aren't even related, whereas Korean is distantly related to Japanese.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 I didnt say they are direct decendent of "Han chinese" when did i ever say that. China is composed of a variety of different ethnicities not just han. Han is majority but not all. I dont think westerners like you understand this concept you try to differentiate and box people too much.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE These other ethnicities were not called "Chinese" until they came under the dominion of the Han empire. To call them "Chinese," just because they came from a place that was either within or close to the borders of the modern Chinese republic demonstrates historical ignorance, since many of those borders are less than 100 years old, and the older historical Chinese empires had a much smaller footprint, mostly concentrated in the East.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 do u consider american indians americans? do u consider your self american or what ever country ur ancestors came from. do u consider Hawaiians americans american? why is hawaii even part of US, its like so far away what kind of occupation is that. I guess all the ethinicities in america should be subdivided in to specific groups and minorities will always carry their country of origin infront of american unless they are white.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE I consider myself an American because I was born in the U.S. and am a citizen. My ancestors weren't American, they were mostly German and Scottish, with some Indians, though I don't know which nation or tribe they were from.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 some indian..... 1/8 or 1/4 of indian in you erases horrific deed the other 7/8 had done. sorry, i really feel bad for indians on how their lands were taken. I do not wish to continue to argue with u because to me its like arguing with a table (you may feel the same).
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE I don't consider my Indian ancestors "American" because they lived before their lands were incorporated into the U.S. If they were Sioux or Comanches, they would have considered themselves Sioux or Comanche, not Americans. To them, the "Americans" were foreign occupiers. Modern Hawaiians are Americans because Hawaii is currently part of the U.S. Before the 20th century, they were an autonomous kingdom, their ancestors from that time should be considered Hawaiians, not Americans.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 no shit. of Indians shouldn't consider themselves americans while they were being conquered. but after they were conquered they are considered americans be now they are lawful citizens. With ur hawaiian illustration u didnt understand what i was saying. i want say american sub divid to a point that minorities are never considered real american. you have names such as native american, african american, asian american etc, but only white american is called "american".
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE I'm not saying that the modern descendants of ethnicities in modern countries shouldn't be considered members of those countries, but I was never talking about modern China or modern America, I have always been talking about ancient peoples. People other than the Han, who lived in a time before the Han took over their lands, shouldn't be called "Chinese," just as Indians who lived North America before the U.S. existed shouldn't be called "Americans."
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 I said Han ethnicity defined since Han dynasty (200BC). all the people from the 7 warring states formed 1 new unified ethnicity and they called themselves Han. yes before that people obviously had their own clans and names but was unified.
My point again. american natives and asians had a common ancester originated from asia. Indians moved to north america and the rest stayed. the ones that stayed populated asia. does that make you happier? no more chinese in your blood?
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE In a modern context, people who are not ethnically Han can of course be citizens of the People's Republic of China, and in that aspect "Chinese," but in a historical context, especially as far back in history as we're talking about, when there wouldn't even be a country called "China" until thousands of years later when Shi Huangdi would create it, only Han civilizations should be called "Chinese."
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 im not disagreeing with u on this. what r u trying to prove? china is a english name. we dont have china in our language, we call ourselves zhong guo ( middle kingdom). obviously back 2000 years ago only shi huangdi's ppl would call them self chinese. i wouldnt call my self french for no reason
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE I was not attributing the word "China" to Shi Huangdi, only the idea of a unified state, ruled and dominated culturally by the Han, but encompassing the homelands of other ethnic groups.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 Chinese and north americans may very well share a common ancestral tribe that resided in asia long ago.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE < I asked a Taoist priest about the age of Taoism; acc to him, it is 60,000yrs old philosophy. During that history, they went to India to get secret of "the heart sutra" as in the "legend of the monkey god."
Recent excavation in India show 30,000BCE artifacts !
I think there was a big land mass where pacific ocean is which got hit by asteroid and one of the planet between Mars/Jupiter disintegrated to pour more water on our earth. So American Indians being ex-Zhong Guo is possible.
Zeno1999 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE I'm not trying to box people into groups, any more than they've been boxing themselves themselves for as long as there have been historical records. I'm trying to counteract your attempts to claim them all as your own to suit whatever ethnic or nationalistic bias you may have.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 im not suiting everybody to be han. everyone in china knows what ethinicity they belong to, its on the passport or id cards. but what u dont understand is we dont talk about it. it doesnt matter to us, to me at least. im han and i have manchurian, mongol and hui chinese friends. i only get to discover their ethinicty after a long time cuz we dont identify ourselves too specifically. its very exotic in china right now if u belong to a minority, u get more benefits than han Chinese.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE You are "suiting" everyone to the "Chinese," whatever you're using that word to mean. If you do not mean the Han, then what do you mean? What is your criteria to classify ancient people, who lived and died before there was ever any concept of a unified Chinese state, "Chinese?" If you're not claiming everyone for the Han, then why did you try to pass off Korean borrow-words from Cantonese, a Han language, as evidence that that the Koreans were originally "from the Chinese?"
yerk3 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE You may not "talk about it" now, but things haven't always been the way they are now, and they certainly weren't during the Ice Age. The only reason you have the system you have now is because of modern government policies, modern national boundaries and modern ideas of inclusiveness. You are describing a system and custom that is less than 100 years old, that is entirely a product of the 20th and 21st centuries.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 you think its modern, Chinese had national boundries and custom, population document system since 400 bc. people needed a passport like board inorder to travel btw warring states. what you consider as modern we had long ago, europeans just modified it and thought they invented everything.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@yerk3 im not even talking about invention , dominance or anything. im talking about that north americans and chinese had the same time to evolve and had their own deviated cultures. its like your mom gave birth to u and ur brother, but u happen to studied harder and became richer than ur brother. u hypothetically is the han chinese and ur brother hypothetically is native americans. u and ur brother are still related but ur brother is the the decendent of you but of ur parents . get it?
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@yerk3 you seem angry. why r u so angry when ppl speculate north americans maybe decendents of asians. We are all related. white/black asian ppl. we just started deviating at different times. natives and asians deviated at a later time thats all. relax man.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE I'm not angry, how do you get that impression? I just value truth over people's misguided attempts to edit history to their personal liking. Yes, we are all related, we established that before, but this in no way implies that American Indians are the direct descendants of Han Chinese. There is simply no evidence of any contact between the Han Chinese, at least at any point after they began to identify themselves ethnically as Han, had any contact with pre-Collumbian North America.
yerk3 1 year ago
@yerk3 technically, Han chinese only started to identify themselves with that name since the Han dynasty which was around 200 BC. So technically no one identified themself to be han before then, they were Chu people, qin people etc. Han ethenicity established after the first Han emperor Liu Bang.
PS: i feel offended when Westerners like you break us chinese ethnicities down to han , man, mongol etc. We are one, we are unified and will not break apart.
AnjuABCDE 1 year ago
@AnjuABCDE There is speculation that Jeng He landed in California 100 years before Collumbus, but this hypothesis has no physical evidence to back it up, no Chinese artifacts from that time period were found anywhere on the West Coast, and Jeng He himself never mentions anywhere that resembles anywhere on the West Coast at that time.
yerk3 1 year ago
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Maohammet 2 years ago
@smartgirlfat hoo boy, you really need to watch making a statement like that. I don't suppose you know about the Na Dene-Yenesei language and DNA connection?
prinznevsky 1 year ago
What Ocean exactly is it that seperates China and America? Which America?
There's not really anything to support your theory. IF THEY WALKED, and that's a big IF, It is far more likely they migrated across the Siberian/Alaskan stretch than across the Indian Ocean AND Atlantic Ocean. I believe it was a boat, and likely by accident that one continent found the other.
Fat, yes. Smart, we'll see
pdderek 1 year ago 2
@smartgirlfat
I think its more of Siberia and America...
xyang26 1 year ago
@smartgirlfat The people who migrated during the Ice Age were from Siberia, not China. The Pacific was never "covered in thick ice." There were glaciers, but they didn't bridge the Pacific. There was the Bering Strait, which turned into a land bridge during the Ice Age, but it connected Alaska with Siberia, not Han China.
yerk3 1 year ago
@smartgirlfat What? I think you and the five people that voted on your comment should go back to school. It was Russia, not China.
Typicus 1 year ago
@Typicus
hi, you primary school student, how are u ?
Russia did not exist until 19th century. For the past 10,000 years Russia was a territory of Chinese and Mongol.
Understood ?
smartgirlfat 1 year ago
@smartgirlfat What? First of all, I never said I was a student of any kind. Second, I'm arguing that Native American's came from now day Russia. Russia was founded around 800 AD, the Tsardom of Russia was founded in 1547 and the Russian Federation was founded in 1991.
Typicus 1 year ago
@smartgirlfat
native americans are descendants of siberian ppl not chinese. their dna matches siberians.
skippyheartrolie 1 year ago
@skippyheartrolie True...to an extent. Only the Denesuline and Inuit share DNA with Siberians. The rest are of different "stock". Also, the Bering Strait Theory is dated and has never been proven. Recent research has shown that the theory was actually more political than scientific.
patoingboy 1 year ago
@patoingboy
what stock did they from?i am just curious
skippyheartrolie 1 year ago
@smartgirlfat then happened around BC10,000? is there Chinese at that moment?
AmPeaceInHeart 1 year ago
@AmPeaceInHeart Simple answer: NO. Do you have any idea what the world was like in 10,000 BC? That was before there was even higher forms of civilization in Egypt and Iraq, where the earliest urban civilizations first appeared. Like Mycenaean Greece, higher Chinese civilization came into being around the middle of the 2nd millennium BC (c. 1600 BC) with the Shang Dynasty. Before that, just neolithic people. Han Chinese as an ethnic group did not exist until the Han Dynasty (202 BC - 220 AD).
EricMetalGuitarist 1 year ago
@EricMetalGuitarist and then happens the Noah's flood for Jews or the flood of Deucalion and then starts the 3 period of history of ancient greece also the ancient greek languange is one of the most powerful may and the only one powerful language and the language of nature of the world and i can prove it f.e. the word God in ancient greece and still now is with 4 letters as the name of the god in the holy bible and it they create the word before even the Jews learn the name of the only one GOD
MakaveliMafiaClick 10 months ago
@EricMetalGuitarist there was the Xia Dynasty before the Shang Dynasty, genuis.
kx06 8 months ago
@EricMetalGuitarist
No, China Xia Dynasty dates back 2070 – ca. 1600 BC
and even before that, there was a Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors period 3500 BC to 2000 BC
China's Neolithic cultures, dates from 7500BC - 1500BC. (co-exist with higher civilization locate at the Central Plain, China)
j6331 7 months ago
@M1GreenEagle < There are big stone figures in middle Americas which resemble some of these artifacts !
Zeno1999 1 year ago
@M1GreenEagle Well Native Americans did originate from Asia, so some of the culture is bound to connect
whohwa 1 year ago 4
@whohwa One US indian tribe was able to understand japanese radio messages in WWII. No one questioned it though...they wondered why but never questioned it.
Andre2099 7 months ago