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  • Matthew 2:6 (New International Version)

    6" 'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,

    are by no means least among the rulers of  Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel

    Not from mecca arabia, but bethlehem in Israel

  • Muhammad PBUH was a shepherd. And sons of Israel didn't exist after Jesus. If they did exist then name one for me. Jews are the people who converted not sons of Israel. Judah himself lived out of Israel.

    Besides Bethlehem's are Arabs lol. Also khaibar were the neighbors of Muhammad in Medina "Median". Khaibar are a jewish tribe who lived with Arabs and owned 5 forts.

  • Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

  • 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

    20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

    And that what the Quran is doing. God speaking to us.

  • bak

    this is abt JESUS CHRIST since muhammad was an arab not a Jew or from the house of Israel, GOD didn't put anything in the mouth of muhammad GOD didn't even speak to him, and the quran is lyhing to you my friend to bad your blind and deaf may the GOD of ISRAEL have mercy on you

  • God spoke to him, not a vision but physically. He flew on the buraq from Mecca to Jerusalem and prayed with all the prophets, then flew again with the buraq to the 7th heaven. Then talked with God and got the numbers of prayers which is 5. And don't talk about the Quran because the bible is a house of glass. When you see your prophets the good example have incest in your bible then you should not say anything about any other book. even ABCD alphabets you know.

  • bak

    21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

  • This says what we say too, please use information we disagree about.

  • bak

    Acts 2

    17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

    19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

  • Concerning what are they disputing? Concerning the Great News, About which they cannot agree. Verily, they shall soon (come to) know! Verily, verily they shall soon (come to) know! Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs? And (have We not) created you in pairs, And made your sleep for rest, And made the night as a covering, And made the day as a means of subsistence? And (have We not) built over you the seven firmaments, And placed (therein) a Light of Splendour?

  • And do We not send down from the clouds water in abundance, That We may produce therewith corn and vegetables, And gardens of luxurious growth? Verily the Day of Sorting out is a thing appointed, The Day that the Trumpet shall be sounded, and ye shall come forth in crowds; And the heavens shall be opened as if there were doors, And the mountains shall vanish, as if they were a mirage. Truly Hell is as a place of ambush, For the transgressors a place of destination:

  • Nothing cool shall they taste therein, nor any drink, Save a boiling fluid and a fluid, dark, murky, intensely cold, A fitting recompense (for them). For that they used not to fear any account (for their deeds), But they (impudently) treated Our Signs as false. And all things have We preserved on record. "So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds); for no increase shall We grant you, except in Punishment." Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires;

  • Nothing cool shall they taste therein, nor any drink, Save a boiling fluid and a fluid, dark, murky, intensely cold, A fitting recompense (for them). For that they used not to fear any account (for their deeds), But they (impudently) treated Our Signs as false. And all things have We preserved on record. "So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds); for no increase shall We grant you, except in Punishment." Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires;

  • And voluptuous women of equal age; And a cup full (to the brim). No vanity shall they hear therein, nor Untruth:- Recompense from thy Lord, a gift, (amply) sufficient, (From) the Lord of the heavens and the earth, and all between, (Allah) Most Gracious: None shall have power to argue with Him. The Day that the Spirit and the angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (Allah) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.

    That Day will be the sure Reality:

  • Verily, We have warned you of a Penalty near, the Day when man will see (the deeds) which his hands have sent forth, and the Unbeliever will say, "Woe unto me! Would that I were (metre) dust!"

    Chapter: Sura: An-Naba

    This is one of the short Suwar in the Quran and this one some more, which wont make you end up happy with your authored book. Ours is from God and that what you can't beat.

  • bak

    We shall se at the end of the day which book is from GOD your or mine ok till then have a nice life, and maybe the Bible is a glass house but at least you can that there is no hidden agenda like in the quran which is in total darkness

  • Why not read the Quran and analyze it by yourself better than saying total darkness? Nothing is hidden in the Quran, each verse is explained clearly. You find someone Christian or Jew who would advice to read it anyway, you should look for the truth by yourself. In Judgment Day you wont have the right to blame anyone considering your faith, we only have more teachings. If you remember the part of the bible were the Jew was confused about the identity of John the Baptist.

  • bak

    I am not confused abt in whom I trust, the agenda of islam is hidden from us the kaffir right or wrong? you ppl operate in the dark not everything is done in the light. like do we know when the next jihadist blows himself up or do we know where or whom will be killed

  • hehe,

    listen we are normal people and me myself i communicate with you alone without someones consulting. We don't work in the dark. Just ask and i tell you.

    Killing innocent citizens is against Islam.

  • bak

    so killing innocent citizens is against islam so now my friend tell me why do you ppl killing 1 another because you are guilty of what? And why are you killing those who convert into Christianity we dont kill the Christians who convert into islam, we do however pray for them and when and if they return to Christianity we welcome them back with open arms and we hold no grudge against them nor do we seek to kill them

  • Actually in Egypt Christians do kill Muslims who were Christians, and in many other countries around the world. In your western community you don't have any problems with it because you already did fall away from the religion, you prefer to live with atheists over Muslims.

    And other death penalties are all according to the Torah. Like s killer deserves the death penalty, traitors also, and so on.

  • bak

    So according to you and who else Christians in Egypt kill muslins who were Christians, and maybe you should ask yourself why we some times prefer to live with atheists over muslims? It could be that they don't blow themselves to kingdom come or in the case of islam case to hell

  • Don't say according to me because we prefer living with Christians over atheists, that makes us treating you better than how you treat us. At least we have a community that believes in God while you don't. So you have to fix the law "Torah" according to what they want, not what God wants. Fixing the Torah is what made the collectors of the Torah chose and pick your book, so that they make get more benefit of some pegans who either believe in God and a son.

  • bak

    i am not Afraid of your fake alah the moon god from mecca as you can se I have noting to worry abt I believe in the SON OF GOD therefor I have ever lasting life so next time you talk to alah tell him that, and here's the reason

    John 3

    36 He that believeth on the Son 8JESUS CHRIS)hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

  • We believe in no moon, we just use the moon to time our years. Like 365 days a years. Something similar.

    We believe in the son of Marry Jesus Christ PBUH. So that verse does not work on us. We approve his book and the ones before him.

  • bak

    if youi approve of the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST then why wont you HIM when HE say HE is the SON OF GOD? And if you believe in the books before HIM then surely you should believe JESUS CHRIST is the SON of GOD

  • Because Jesus is a prophet not God nor son of God. We believe that Jesus is the servant of God not physical son of God. Who teaches what God does is representing God on earh, that why you can't enter the kingdom of God unless through him.

  • bak

    muhammad was not a shepherd, you do know that Israel is not just 1 tribe but 12, and khaibar had nothing to do with Judah, Judah was a tribe not a man, and the Jews have converted from what and from where, so if Betlehem is arab then tell me the meaning of the name and you do know that JESUS CHRIST were born in Beit Lechem

  • When he was young he used to be a shepherd, then when he married Khadija he used to be a merchant. All of these days he used to pray for only God in ghar Hera' in a mountain near Mecca. At the age of 40 God sent him the angle Ghibril, and made him read the revelation, starting with the word Iqra' "read". And yes i know that Jesus was born in somewhere far from any population it was Marry calling for God then Jesus replied her one he was born. And she was from Beit Lachem. Whats with that?

  • We divided them into twelve tribes or nations. We directed Moses by inspiration, when his (thirsty) people asked him for water: "Strike the rock with thy staff": out of it there gushed forth twelve springs: Each group knew its own place for water. We gave them the shade of clouds, and sent down to them manna and quails, (saying): "Eat of the good things We have provided for you": (but they rebelled); to Us they did no harm, but they harmed their own souls. [7:160]

  • bak

    who is this "WE"? And "WE" didn't direct Moses by anything

    ""Eat of the good things We have provided for you": (but they rebelled); to Us they did no harm, but they harmed their own souls. [7:160)

    "Eat of the good things We have provided for you": (but they rebelled); to Us they did no harm, but they harmed their own souls. [7:160]

    i am a little confused abt this could you plz explain? who rebelled? and who is Us?

  • We= Royal statement for "The God" Allah. like Elohim=gods While in Arabic is replaced by We, even in classic Japanese royal families used to talk about themselves in singular they use we.

    "i am a little confused abt this could you plz explain? who rebelled? and who is Us?"

    Us is God point at Himself doing the miracles so that they get satisfied, but they always got out of the straight way.

  • bak

    Elohim is not GOD using a royal statement, it's masculine plural

    Genesis 1

    26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

    That's the reason for Elohim

  • Yup and you explained from your bible what the Quran means by Us.

  • bak

    no Miriryam was not from Beit Lechem, Yosef her fiance and later her husband where from Beit Lechem, both of them where in fact Jews not arabs or muslims

  • Jews are Arabs, English, Persians"Iran", French, and goes on.

    Even Palestine is in Asia you?

    All of this region is and was Arab, but only some at the time of Rome and Persia, because it was not their land and they just occupy it, even the Arabic is the closest word to Aramaic. Jew is just a religion not Hebrew, there was not Hebrew control in Jerusalem since Christianity.

    The house of Israel is the problem thats why God has sent Muhammad from the house of Ismael.

  • bak

    you claim to be the descendants of Ishmael so hear the word of the LORD against Ishmael even before he were born

    The angel of the LORD also said to her: (hagar) "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

    And that's the reason why you ppl are killing 1 another

  • hahahaha, man you got is wrong, but it does picture us Muslims.

    The whole world is against us, because the descendants of his brother are the ones against his descendants. The west is always against Islam, and will always stay the same.

    Anyway This verse approves our existence and it does not say anything against us like false prophet and stuff like that.

  • bak

    Acts 2

    36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

  • When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)! And they say, "Are our gods best, or he?" This they set forth to thee, only by way of disputation: yea, they are a contentious people. He was no more than a servant: We granted Our favour to him, and We made him an example to the Children of Israel. And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the earth. [43:57] to [43:60].

  • And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way. Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed. When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me. "For Allah, He is my Lord and your Lord: so worship ye Him: this is a Straight Way."

  • But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement: then woe to the wrong-doers, from the Penalty of a Grievous Day!

    Do they only wait for the Hour - that it should come on them all of a sudden, while they perceive not? Friends on that day will be foes, one to another,- except the Righteous. [43:63] to [43:67]

    Simply reading Quran will answer all your questions. Just read both the bible and the Quran then evaluate between both. Then debate me.

  • bak

    what do you mean the quran will answer all my questions, I don't need to read the quran or it's answers I have all the answers I need in the Bible so why would i need to read a book that totally contradicts the Bible? And by the way why don't you do as you preach read both books and I have read the quran.

  • I read your book and thats fair enough, i simply see things that i don't like my children to read in that book.

    Tell me what else different that is contradicting the bible?

    And what answers you have? Can't build a Christian society anymore? Or can't get out of the economic problems facing your country? Or can solve marriage problems? How to pay Charity? How fear God? How to love God?

    God in the Quran is teaching the way to Him.

  • bak

    So according to you we should all convert to islam and live happy ever after or die and live happy ever after depending on which sect you choose, you know both of you cant be right either the Shiites are right or the Sunnis are right, Sunni say that the Shiites are not muslims and will go to hell the Shiites say the same abt the Sunnis, so my friend which sect would you recommend, or what abt the S. Arabia sect the wannabes

  • Shiites are minor anyway, Sunna are the people who follow the Quran and the prophets teachings.

    Shiites also associate 12 dead people to God, so i don't think a Christian would be smart to leave Christianity for association reason to choose Shiites sect.

    Me myself is a Sunni, and i don't believe in putting all my faith in one sect of Sunni like Wahhabi, because they differ in very minor differences, not as difference between Christian sects at all.

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