Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
@MrEcted lol not to hard to tell the form is wrong, all you have to do is watch the video. hes leaned to far forward and you can see his heels lift up.
@parmstrong32x I'm glad people can actually see this...Rippetoe is a good coach but he's not interested in physiology or proper health. His interest is very one dimensional in that he wants to get people stronger
It's called a low bar squat, where you have to lean forward, you know, there are many types of different squats. But a scrub like you prolly only learned one.
Also I can't seem to activate hip flexion, this leads to lower back rounding at the bottom. Can anyone guide me with any stretches/strengthening so that I may acquire the coveted "hamstring bounce"
For an advocate of ATG squats notice how he doesn't push this guy to the bottom?
He knows it takes flexibility to get there safely.
He also knows that rebounding even from parallel is safe when that is where your hamstrings become overstretched and your body slows down and stops by itself.
This guy will gradually acquire more flexibility and naturally fall into a deeper squat.
@CptCoolXD If you'd read the book Starting Strength, you'll see that Rippetoe wants you to keep the bar ontop of the rear deltoids. If you've got no rear deltoids, it'll fall off. But the constant isometric work of the rear delts during a proper squat should alone build them over time.
I've done this kind of squat for a couple of years, and I've done 420 below parallell without any bar slippage difficulties what so ever.
@christosswc yo man, you seem to know your stuff, I got a question. I've always heard ATG advocated too, and for the most part people say don't sacrifice form to put up more weight. Seems like with this it's saying you don't have to go all the way ATG until your body gets used to it or something? I can do ATG at lower weights but not at higher, does that mean my flexibility is there and don't up the weight until I can do ATG with that weight, or should I still move up and not go so low?...
hipdrive is when you must push your butt up to the end of the lift
Rippetoes technique gives very probably more load on the hamstrings but also a bad flexion in the lumbar region, which you should avoid.
Rippetoes bankrupt talk about hip drive and the resulting discrepancies in technique speaks for itself - just watch the video. I would also question his perhaps excessive focus on cervical retraction and chin tucking.
That form is horrible, he is barely parallel, let alone going lower. He has NO BUSINESS doing a bi-lateral bb back squat with the obvious problems I see.
@mdias5907699 Gettin the bar that low is more of a powerlifting position for squatting allowing better thrust from the hips etc, nothing wrong as long as the rest of your form is correct.
@sonnyboy167 No such thing as a power lifting position. If you mean his hips are externally rotated more to use Glute Max then fine.
The guy in the vid 1) Is tight as all hell and 2) that lower back is going to wear out well before anything else. Mark is teaching him a crap motor pattern because the guy lacks the basic flexibility he needs to get maximum potential from this lift. Nothing personal, this Coach in my eyes is simply not doing his job the best he could be.
@mrceebees14 My reply to matey's comment was about the fact that he was critising the bar being too low and getting painful shoulders, what I was stating is that is more powerlifting technique than body building even though the man is still shite at squatting regardless.
@sonnyboy167 They shouldn't be looked at as power lifter or body builder bar placement lifts, they should be looked at as body mechanic's. By doing that people will understand what does what. I have you know that both "body builders" and Power lifters use both techniques at some point in their training.
@mrceebees14 Your missing my point and trying to state something that I'm not arguing about, everyone's built differently which is obvious when your talking body mechanics, powerlifting is done with the bar lower down the back....so stop with the "I have you know" condescending shite. as I know more than you obviously think I do.
@sonnyboy167 Not being condescending at all, I am stating fact of the situation. Hard to talk to people on youtube, especially when it comes to training. People don't understand the basics, so how are you going to understand the intermediate things?
@mrceebees14 agreed, you cant state what you want to say without an essay, as for my understanding- ive moved over from the body building side of things to powerlifting (competing drug free) and do know what I'm on about, although like anything you never know everything!!!
@sonnyboy167 Sorry if I am thorough, a forgotten and unappreciated thing these days. What I have done is broken things down into a science, I can do it for any training protocol, any sport and it works. No gimmicks, no Crossfit "we are the best, but are not recognized because we are totally wreckless," Jane Fonda, P90 etc etc info-mercial crap. This is very basic stuff that a-lot of people do not know exist because it's a small group of Olympic Coaches that practice it.
I'm not sure about that being bad form, but when I go down parallel, I feel the tightness of the hams that assist in 'springing up' the hips. And yeah I read your latest reply. It does take getting used to the low bar. I had someone taught me the how-to for the low bar squat and it took a little time to get it right because we were communicating through emails back and forth several times.
thats pretty good form. I would increase the ROM, but other than that its pretty good. This is the low bar squat he is doing, he is using his posterior chain to lift the weight. If he was doing high bar squat, then this would be horrible form and he would probably blow out his back from the level formed squatting this way.
This is a LOW BAR squat and is supposed to be done this way.
The low bar emphasizes the posterior chain more and uses more muscles to move the weight. Low bar lets you lift more as a result, but is also more taxing than a high bar squat, but only by a little.
I started squatting low bar, then high bar, but I am not flexible enough to do a high bar properly. The max I got with High bar was 185lbs for 3 x 5. With low bar I am currently doing 270lbs for 3 x 5 and keep progressing linearly. Just put the bar whereever comfortable and squat.
I like low bar more because it allows me to use more muscles and weight. Plus my body fits it better. I am waay more exhausted doing Low bar, than high bar squats. Low bar and front squats FTW.
good high bar squat but notice the lift-shoes. oly lifters who high bar squat often use custom shoes with heel lifts to compensate for the required ankle mobility.
who ever uses those belts is an idiot imo. if you cant hold your core, you're not supposed to squat with that weight. core strength is SO FUCKING important.
Looks like there's a lot of weight in the front of the foot. Right heel rises on one of them but looks like he corrects somewhat. There's definately worse out there.
i love it. this is how i do em and how i've always done em. every now and then though, someone comes up to me and tells me i'm doing them wrong (i.e. going too low). reppetoe's right. if you don't break the plane of parallel, don't call it a squat.
How low should i be aiming to squat. I think i go pretty low at the moment (lower than the guy in the video i think anyway) but i am finding it very hard to make gains. Should i be going higher or is ass to grass really the way to go.
why is rippetoe teaching this horrendous squat form, any S&C coach worth thier salt would shoot this athlete on the spot or at least correct this terrible form and coach an olympic squat which has been proved irrefutably to improve an athletes strength and translate to other technical areas of their sport form way beyond this powerlfiting type squat (and one of the worst powerlfting type squats i have EVER seen). Shocking
@trinity9011 Could you post a link to a video that shows better squat form then please. I am not saying 'well lets see you do better' i would actually like to see what you think the perfect squat form and motion is. Thanks
@dorian1010 Id be delighted mate youtube.com/watch?v=XkK9-mnDAy4 , youtube.com/watch?v=R_jxTc2ITA8&feature=related both excellent form. Follow thier technique and you wont go far wrong, note how they both keep thier backs bolt upright throghout the squat, no forward lean. Its all quads hams and gluts. Its not a coincidence that the best vids i found were world class lifters, technique is so important if you want to progress. Other queries welcome m8
@trinity9011 Thanks man. I see what you mean how keeping a straight back shifts the weight more on to your upper legs, i guess it helps with balance as well. Also the first guy in the asian squatting video, he makes some hilarious sounds. Thanks again ^__^
You might want to read in the debate between Rippetoe and Everett considering WHY they both prefer THEIR version of the squats vs other version.
For Rippetoe it is posterior chain dominance versus quad dominance, for everett it is staying in the same Stimuli needed for their sport.
In that case, since most sports are PC dominant, the Powerlifting squat would better for most sports, other than olympic lifting. Read up on the debate, then you can judge your verdict.
@Shaolos frankly i dont care what these guys are debating, the point is he should not be teaching this terrible technique. anyway olympic squats utilise the posterior and anterior chain more than a powerlifting squat ever could.
Since you say this, you kind of disqualify yourself on an opinion about it. Fact is, Rip talks about posterior dominance due to loading mechanics and reduction in sheer forces, which are logical.
There is a continuum provided by the ankle of the upper body, as to how the body works with it. The olympic squat is a compromise. If you want what it does, do front squats. If you are OL, do OL Back squats, other PL back squats are in most ways more useful.
@Shaolos FACT, is this guy is a powerlifter then he should do these ridiculous squats for obvious reasons. if he is an athlete then there is no better squat than the olympic squat in terms of improving flexibility, glute, ham and quad activation, hormone release and developing strength. You dont need to try and talk biomechanics to give the impression you know more than you do it doesnt impress me.
@Shaolos you have no clue, literally no clue, if you sprinted the way powelifters squat your face would be touching the ground. there is not one top sprinter who does powerlifter squats, there is a reason for that, they are shit squats!
and vertical jump?!!!? the FACT that world class olympic lifters have the highest vertical jump of all athletes and are faster over 10m than sprinters is down to the way they squat! FACT.
you regurgitate info, you have no real understanding
Youtube isnt really a great place for this discussion. With some charts, studies and comparisons of athletes we could get somwhere.
Let us end this at this point where you say : Olympic squat is better for everything and I stay with my "It depends on the chain dominance your sport has."
And by the way, put ""Sprint start" into google, check the mechanics of this incredibly posterior dominant sport and get back to when you want talk on science, not arrogance base.
@Shaolos Im really not displaying arrogance, it may seem like that but im just experienced, Ive worked with national level sprinters and worked with coaches who train world class sprinters and power athletes. i would disagree that sprinting is a posterior dominant sport, research has shown that the best 10m accelerators were also the best squatters i.e. squatted more weight and given that people who squat correctly like top sprinters, are quad dominant, therefore anterior dominant.
@trinity9011 You're being arrogant, and you sound like kid who just got his masters degree and wants to show it off. Stop Youtube debating and get some more experience.
@jakesnod who are you to tell me that? i have fair amount of experience probably more than you and debating is what its all about, thats how you gain experience, i do it on a daily basis. try to be a bit more constructive and join the debate dont just sit back and then try to shoot people down
@trinity9011 who are you to tell anyone anything? I would debate less, and spend more time training...tends to be a better way to gain experience. Do you list debate among your qualifications? "I am a xyz certified trainer with over 500 posts of debate on Youtube"?
@jakesnod professionals debate with other professionals. training on your own with gain you nothing. because individuals know nothing, you debate and research what a thousand professionals have researched then you gain experience. YOU will gain nothing chatting amongst your friends down the gym.
@LexPhilogus They are during the beginning portion of the race (when they are leaning forward in an effort to get a faster leg turnover) but when they are in the upright position look at their form. They are reaching out with their legs and pulling like crazy with their glutes and hamstrings.
@trinity9011 reggie bush plays pro football and could have held his own with a lot of olympic sprinters. pro football players train to sprint, and they train powerlifting style dead lift. not to mention have super high vertical jump. so powerlifting movements do help.
@MrRanger1987 pro footballers may be very, very fast but they cant hold their own with top level sprinters, there is a massive difference in 100m sprint times. that aside i havent got a problem with the powerlifting style deadlift done properly. My argument is that in my opinion this squat is inferior to a properly executed olympic squat which would benefit any top athlete (other than powerlifters) much more than the squat in this vid
Accually, his postur isnt fine. He's doing good and clean lifts (exeptionaly good hip work) but his posture is tilt forward from above his shoulders to his neck and the wait is leaning on the lower half of the curve in order to releave the neck. What one has to do is train to keep your chest and neck up - you should practice by focusing on a spot on the ceiling and bring stress on the shoulderblades to keep them together.
PS: this isn't about bringing peple down. I'm just trying to share.
@trivalentlogic mark usually makes you stare at the ground when teaching how to squat, he absolutely hates it when you put your chest and head up. To each is own I guess
Who is this Rip guy, some of you really worship him. is he an olympic team squat coach? I'd be a great coach, it would go like this......"Shut up and squat"
@Schpeet1 I'm not an expert, but like any exercise if you start light and work on your form, you will develop proper, comfortable technique and minimize the risk of injury. After doing the hard yards (technique development) you will then be able to really throw on the weights. Any exercise is potentially dangerous, even walking down the street. Try to find someone in your gym or on a sports team who can teach you proper form (if you can).
No it is a Low-bar Back Squat (or at least it appears that way), it's what they do in powerlifting. You send the hips back, it apparently involves the Posterior chain more than High-bar Back Squats, but I really think that is up for debate.
He had 315 on there not 225 he is a strong kid and a very good squater he is going deep and coming up strong using his hips and quads keeping his chest steady and back aligned and head straight. RIP is a super coach!!
go back to your airconditioned techno gym in front of the big daft fckin plasma screen and carry on coaching body combat and actionman attack with 5kg barbells.
Another keyboard bodybuilder who knows fckall about anything and theres million of them on here.
i'm pretty damned sure that if rippetoe isn't making any negative comments towards the man's position, and only making him focus on going lower, then the man is doing just fine. rippetoe > youtube commentaries. those of you making negative comments should actually do yourself a favor and have rippetoe help you with your own squatting form. =)
looks like a good squat, forward lean is normal with low bar and promotes hip drive..depth is good also, your not going ass to grass with low bar..i bet rip knows his shit
Are these Squats or good mornings? Terrible form, poor depth and terrible forward lean makes it look more like a back ext than a squat. This guy need to work on his ankle mobility he has very poor range of movement around his tibia and this is causing his horrible forward lean from the hips, more mobility work and loose the belt and work on some core strength rather than tryin to load up like a meat head!
I don't see what you see, maybe you are referring to a high bar squat where you would see his back as forward lean, but this is low bar and good form (not perfect, but good).
At the top range of movement he is not at full extension through the hips, and at the bottom range of movement he has a very heavy forward lean through the hips, If you draw an imaginary line from his ankle joint through the tibia to the knee and a second line from the hip through the torso to the shoulder, in a good squat they should run parallel
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, in this squat the shoulder positioning is very forward which shows that he has a heavy forward lean from the hips which looks like its coming from poor ankle movement. This puts a lot of stress on the lower back (hense the belt)and makes the squat look more like a good morning rather than a squat, just pause the video halfway through a squat and look at how bent forward he is, spend some time foam rolling and stretching, gastroc and hip flexors before setting up for the squat, this will help
the problem with posting videos online is every expert chimes in with their own version of what is best. the truth is individual bio mechanics vary so greatly, and add onto this every coache's different idea of what an ideal squat is that the only thing that really matters is if a trainee is: a.) doing the squat to the fullest ROM safely and as efficiently as their body alows, and b.) getting stronger
If you listen to Mark Riptoe's lectures, it's clear that he understands human physiology varies greatly from individual to individual. He never prescribes a "one size fits all" formula. Instead, he imagines the how the perfect power lifter would be built, then he imagines the perfect mechanics for that lifter. From there, he tries to span the gap between theory and reality with as little variation as possible.
you are so full of shit that i just wanted to point it out so that everyone else knows and doesn't doubt it. there is a difference between high bar olympic squats which you describe, and mid to low bar squats which recruit the post chain a bit more. ideally someone training for overall strength and not for a specific style of lifting (olympic lifting, geared powerlifting) should squat in the safest manner that their individual biomechanics require. some people have more forward lean than others.
btw watch any raw powerlifting squat and you'll see how they resemble what the guy above is doing. btw i watched your videos and all i see is a bunch of pussies doing bosu ball bullshit. you have no right to post any sort of comment about strength training when you train yourself or your clients in that manner. you are just an ill-informed idiot.
specifically i watched one of your poor clients "cleaning" and pressing. if you let your clients train with form like that you have no right giving advice as you are clearly unqualified.
long legged guys, like the huge tall strongman guys? they do the same thing, dude.
my question on this video...i know low bar squatting gets more weight moving, but this kid looks like he has it pretty low, like it's about to fall. any response to my concern would be helpful. i'm asking to learn, not to criticize.
@onceuponthecross anybody can squat perfectly im 6'2, and i have done squats with my ass 1centimeter above the ground. i now just squat a few inches below parralel because goijng ass to grass hurts my legs =\.
this where i go off the page from rippetoe . . . i do not like carrying the weight on my rear delts. no other reason than it doesn't work for me there, so i do it the traditional way. other than that, the book super squats and rippetoe and kilgore's starting strength made me a firm believer in the awesome nature of this excercise when done properly.
Mark reminds me of Max Hardcore
boyracer92 3 weeks ago
@boyracer92 Hell yeah
rico925 1 week ago
looks like john cena
leeonr 4 weeks ago
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Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
GND71 1 month ago
Those shoes are bad news, right?
AdamWoodhams 2 months ago
what does he mean "knees out" ??
Soymilllk 2 months ago
@Soymilllk push the knees out. never let them trail or buck in
rogue8853 2 months ago
@Soymilllk Knees out = engage the glutes
jackbartrem 2 months ago
The truth about low-bar squat:
rookiejournal . com / low-bar-squats-and-gomad-suck-and-will-give-you-a-big-butt.html
RusiMusic 3 months ago
I pretend I'm a stripper. Stick my butt out and lower it to get my monies, and bring it back up to not get raped.
mooseutoo 4 months ago 5
who else googled hot carl lol
frosti0408 5 months ago 19
thats terrrible form. hes driving through the balls of his feet and back. the proper way is to drive through your heels and up through the hips.
parmstrong32x 5 months ago
@parmstrong32x Right, because we should trust some random YouTube schleb over a world-renowned trainer.
MrEcted 2 months ago
@MrEcted lol not to hard to tell the form is wrong, all you have to do is watch the video. hes leaned to far forward and you can see his heels lift up.
parmstrong32x 2 months ago
@parmstrong32x I'm glad people can actually see this...Rippetoe is a good coach but he's not interested in physiology or proper health. His interest is very one dimensional in that he wants to get people stronger
Matty0850 2 months ago
@Matty0850
....which comes from (among other factors) proper physiology and proper health.
drmoroe30 2 months ago
@parmstrong32x
It's called a low bar squat, where you have to lean forward, you know, there are many types of different squats. But a scrub like you prolly only learned one.
DjiEnn 1 month ago
@DjiEnn Number of real powerlifters who squat like this in competition: 0
invictus14 1 month ago
@invictus14
your point being?
DjiEnn 2 weeks ago
@DjiEnn 1. It's only a training method. 2. The guy squats like he's in high heels. He needs to ditch the shoes while he still has knees to walk on.
invictus14 2 weeks ago
@invictus14
I think you are confusing me with someone else.
DjiEnn 2 weeks ago
@DjiEnn Maybe I am. I forgot what I was thinking when I first posted.
invictus14 2 weeks ago
@MrEcted
I don't know what a schleb is, but I do think the guy is a schlub.
decadyne 2 months ago
thats not ass to grass, is it?
B0MBALI9 5 months ago
@B0MBALI9 Low bar doesn't go ATG.
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Also I can't seem to activate hip flexion, this leads to lower back rounding at the bottom. Can anyone guide me with any stretches/strengthening so that I may acquire the coveted "hamstring bounce"
chaunceyfritz85 5 months ago
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This is a great squat. I want his form. I can't seem to find the bounce off the hamstrings. When I go deep I just feel it in the adductors. Any tips?
chaunceyfritz85 5 months ago
Rippetoe knows his shit.
For an advocate of ATG squats notice how he doesn't push this guy to the bottom?
He knows it takes flexibility to get there safely.
He also knows that rebounding even from parallel is safe when that is where your hamstrings become overstretched and your body slows down and stops by itself.
This guy will gradually acquire more flexibility and naturally fall into a deeper squat.
Keep an open mind and learn.
christosswc 6 months ago 4
@christosswc you cant squat much past parallel with a low bar squat, otherwise thew bar will fall off your back when you go upright.
CptCoolXD 5 months ago
@CptCoolXD If you'd read the book Starting Strength, you'll see that Rippetoe wants you to keep the bar ontop of the rear deltoids. If you've got no rear deltoids, it'll fall off. But the constant isometric work of the rear delts during a proper squat should alone build them over time.
I've done this kind of squat for a couple of years, and I've done 420 below parallell without any bar slippage difficulties what so ever.
jan1080 2 days ago
@christosswc yo man, you seem to know your stuff, I got a question. I've always heard ATG advocated too, and for the most part people say don't sacrifice form to put up more weight. Seems like with this it's saying you don't have to go all the way ATG until your body gets used to it or something? I can do ATG at lower weights but not at higher, does that mean my flexibility is there and don't up the weight until I can do ATG with that weight, or should I still move up and not go so low?...
ryoaska1 5 months ago
This guy is an idiot listen to Dave Tate
AnarchyForUSA 6 months ago
@AnarchyForUSA
Didn't know who Dave Tate was before you posted his name, but youtubed him and the dude knows his shit.
Definitely recommend Tate over Rippetoe.
SweetandSaltyNutbars 6 months ago
those weren't deep whatsoever
expl0dingpsych0l0gy 6 months ago
beauty squatting
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McLovindk 6 months ago
i also train without pants
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McLovindk 7 months ago
@McLovindk please explain? I dunno about "hip drive" and hi-low bar squats. I just squat. His form looks weird to me...
TheDuke1011 7 months ago
@TheDuke1011
hipdrive is when you must push your butt up to the end of the lift
Rippetoes technique gives very probably more load on the hamstrings but also a bad flexion in the lumbar region, which you should avoid.
Rippetoes bankrupt talk about hip drive and the resulting discrepancies in technique speaks for itself - just watch the video. I would also question his perhaps excessive focus on cervical retraction and chin tucking.
McLovindk 7 months ago
@McLovindk
It is completely incongruent to the man's guru when he clowns around like this, and even choose to instruct others to clown around.f
McLovindk 7 months ago
@McLovindk Explain what is wrong with hip drive using the sciences. Point me to a blog if you can (hopefully yours).
vjohn82 7 months ago
@McLovindk Explain what is wrong with hip drive using the sciences. Point me to a blog if you can (hopefully yours).
vjohn82 7 months ago
hes still getting use to going low because the physio or orthoedic types like to condem below parallel squats
canitasteyou321 8 months ago
Now put some weight on there and buy that guy some mens shorts. Also Mark Rippetoe should drop a few lbs. or stick to radio weight training.
Shake99 8 months ago 3
@Shake99 you go and tell him and he'll probably knock your ass out
tldevilsh 8 months ago
looks like he's fucking a horse =)
icyliciousblue 8 months ago
"That's hot??" Am I hearing that correctly?
That form is horrible, he is barely parallel, let alone going lower. He has NO BUSINESS doing a bi-lateral bb back squat with the obvious problems I see.
mrceebees14 9 months ago
PELVIC THRUST
NJN0000 9 months ago
LOWER FAGGOT
thenormalyears 10 months ago 3
the bar is a bit too low on his back, just saying, gets very painful on the shoulders in that position
mdias5907699 10 months ago
@mdias5907699 Gettin the bar that low is more of a powerlifting position for squatting allowing better thrust from the hips etc, nothing wrong as long as the rest of your form is correct.
sonnyboy167 10 months ago
@sonnyboy167 No such thing as a power lifting position. If you mean his hips are externally rotated more to use Glute Max then fine.
The guy in the vid 1) Is tight as all hell and 2) that lower back is going to wear out well before anything else. Mark is teaching him a crap motor pattern because the guy lacks the basic flexibility he needs to get maximum potential from this lift. Nothing personal, this Coach in my eyes is simply not doing his job the best he could be.
mrceebees14 9 months ago
@mrceebees14 My reply to matey's comment was about the fact that he was critising the bar being too low and getting painful shoulders, what I was stating is that is more powerlifting technique than body building even though the man is still shite at squatting regardless.
sonnyboy167 9 months ago
@sonnyboy167 They shouldn't be looked at as power lifter or body builder bar placement lifts, they should be looked at as body mechanic's. By doing that people will understand what does what. I have you know that both "body builders" and Power lifters use both techniques at some point in their training.
mrceebees14 9 months ago
@mrceebees14 Your missing my point and trying to state something that I'm not arguing about, everyone's built differently which is obvious when your talking body mechanics, powerlifting is done with the bar lower down the back....so stop with the "I have you know" condescending shite. as I know more than you obviously think I do.
sonnyboy167 9 months ago
@sonnyboy167 Not being condescending at all, I am stating fact of the situation. Hard to talk to people on youtube, especially when it comes to training. People don't understand the basics, so how are you going to understand the intermediate things?
I am wasting my time with you.
mrceebees14 9 months ago
@mrceebees14 agreed, you cant state what you want to say without an essay, as for my understanding- ive moved over from the body building side of things to powerlifting (competing drug free) and do know what I'm on about, although like anything you never know everything!!!
sonnyboy167 9 months ago
@sonnyboy167 Sorry if I am thorough, a forgotten and unappreciated thing these days. What I have done is broken things down into a science, I can do it for any training protocol, any sport and it works. No gimmicks, no Crossfit "we are the best, but are not recognized because we are totally wreckless," Jane Fonda, P90 etc etc info-mercial crap. This is very basic stuff that a-lot of people do not know exist because it's a small group of Olympic Coaches that practice it.
mrceebees14 8 months ago
I didn't know Hank from Me, Myself, and Irene could squat
benchfordeath 1 year ago 63
@benchfordeath hahaha thats jokes.
thepakibye 4 months ago
i wanna record rippetoe's bursting comments and play it on loop when ever i squat...
mortichro 1 year ago 3
@PullTheTricker
I'm not sure about that being bad form, but when I go down parallel, I feel the tightness of the hams that assist in 'springing up' the hips. And yeah I read your latest reply. It does take getting used to the low bar. I had someone taught me the how-to for the low bar squat and it took a little time to get it right because we were communicating through emails back and forth several times.
VBSVBS 1 year ago
bad form
Hunched all forward emphasizes the lower back. Should learn to use leg power.
PullTheTricker 1 year ago
@PullTheTricker
thats pretty good form. I would increase the ROM, but other than that its pretty good. This is the low bar squat he is doing, he is using his posterior chain to lift the weight. If he was doing high bar squat, then this would be horrible form and he would probably blow out his back from the level formed squatting this way.
Glutenbob 1 year ago
@Glutenbob
He is almost doing a back extension.
Check this out for good form:
watch?v=R_jxTc2ITA8
PullTheTricker 1 year ago
@PullTheTricker
that video is good form FOR A HIGH BAR SQUAT.
This is a LOW BAR squat and is supposed to be done this way.
The low bar emphasizes the posterior chain more and uses more muscles to move the weight. Low bar lets you lift more as a result, but is also more taxing than a high bar squat, but only by a little.
Glutenbob 1 year ago
@Glutenbob
Yes you're actually right. I just looked into the difference in Mark Rippetoe's video.
But honestly, I think I still prefer high bar myself. It looks uncomfortable with low bar. Looks like hes doing almost a good morning.
Maybe I should try on my next workout. Although I always use wide stance, not sure if that goes well with low bar position.
PullTheTricker 1 year ago
@PullTheTricker
I started squatting low bar, then high bar, but I am not flexible enough to do a high bar properly. The max I got with High bar was 185lbs for 3 x 5. With low bar I am currently doing 270lbs for 3 x 5 and keep progressing linearly. Just put the bar whereever comfortable and squat.
I like low bar more because it allows me to use more muscles and weight. Plus my body fits it better. I am waay more exhausted doing Low bar, than high bar squats. Low bar and front squats FTW.
Glutenbob 1 year ago
@PullTheTricker
good high bar squat but notice the lift-shoes. oly lifters who high bar squat often use custom shoes with heel lifts to compensate for the required ankle mobility.
low bar squat, i use wrestling shoes.
emperorzombie13 11 months ago
who ever uses those belts is an idiot imo. if you cant hold your core, you're not supposed to squat with that weight. core strength is SO FUCKING important.
zimThuet 1 year ago
@zimThuet you obviously don't know the purpose of a belt
wralphh 1 year ago
@zimThuet
*facepalm*
How much do you squat again?
Glutenbob 1 year ago
shoes off , guerilla radio .
texan31337 1 year ago
Squat my favorite exercise xD
SGTcrackey666 1 year ago
When I squat I imagine tea-bagging on the descent and then hot carling on the ascent.
bluedeucegooch 1 year ago 101
@bluedeucegooch best advice i have ever heard lol ill try that today
Killingwithasmile69 1 year ago
@bluedeucegooch What man do you think of when you do that?
MrGrevy 7 months ago
@bluedeucegooch
I tried that about an hour ago, and went up 10 pounds. NICE.
alexo45 4 months ago 2
i thought squats your supposed to put most pressure on the heel of your foot, I guess you can use front of the foot as well?
tldevilsh 1 year ago
Looks like there's a lot of weight in the front of the foot. Right heel rises on one of them but looks like he corrects somewhat. There's definately worse out there.
dextermcgrubbin 1 year ago
i love it. this is how i do em and how i've always done em. every now and then though, someone comes up to me and tells me i'm doing them wrong (i.e. going too low). reppetoe's right. if you don't break the plane of parallel, don't call it a squat.
anepales 1 year ago
oh i got it now!!! just pertend a girl is on her knees; squat down then cock her in the mouth at the top...Nice vid!!
youngt29 1 year ago
@youngt29 Hahahaha
tempac91 1 year ago
man you can see his quads clearly flexing, taking the beating hehe
Alive4Metal 1 year ago
Is it alright to have a kind of 'hunched forward, forward lean' posture like this guy has?
CelticAndProud 1 year ago
How low should i be aiming to squat. I think i go pretty low at the moment (lower than the guy in the video i think anyway) but i am finding it very hard to make gains. Should i be going higher or is ass to grass really the way to go.
dorian1010 1 year ago
I cannot for the life of me hold the bar that far back. I want to, I just cant pull my arms back far enough.
Artem1sEntreri 1 year ago
why is rippetoe teaching this horrendous squat form, any S&C coach worth thier salt would shoot this athlete on the spot or at least correct this terrible form and coach an olympic squat which has been proved irrefutably to improve an athletes strength and translate to other technical areas of their sport form way beyond this powerlfiting type squat (and one of the worst powerlfting type squats i have EVER seen). Shocking
trinity9011 1 year ago
@trinity9011 Could you post a link to a video that shows better squat form then please. I am not saying 'well lets see you do better' i would actually like to see what you think the perfect squat form and motion is. Thanks
dorian1010 1 year ago
@dorian1010 Id be delighted mate youtube.com/watch?v=XkK9-mnDAy4 , youtube.com/watch?v=R_jxTc2ITA8&feature=related both excellent form. Follow thier technique and you wont go far wrong, note how they both keep thier backs bolt upright throghout the squat, no forward lean. Its all quads hams and gluts. Its not a coincidence that the best vids i found were world class lifters, technique is so important if you want to progress. Other queries welcome m8
trinity9011 1 year ago
@trinity9011 Thanks man. I see what you mean how keeping a straight back shifts the weight more on to your upper legs, i guess it helps with balance as well. Also the first guy in the asian squatting video, he makes some hilarious sounds. Thanks again ^__^
dorian1010 1 year ago
@trinity9011
You might want to read in the debate between Rippetoe and Everett considering WHY they both prefer THEIR version of the squats vs other version.
For Rippetoe it is posterior chain dominance versus quad dominance, for everett it is staying in the same Stimuli needed for their sport.
In that case, since most sports are PC dominant, the Powerlifting squat would better for most sports, other than olympic lifting. Read up on the debate, then you can judge your verdict.
Shaolos 1 year ago
@Shaolos frankly i dont care what these guys are debating, the point is he should not be teaching this terrible technique. anyway olympic squats utilise the posterior and anterior chain more than a powerlifting squat ever could.
trinity9011 1 year ago
@trinity9011
Since you say this, you kind of disqualify yourself on an opinion about it. Fact is, Rip talks about posterior dominance due to loading mechanics and reduction in sheer forces, which are logical.
There is a continuum provided by the ankle of the upper body, as to how the body works with it. The olympic squat is a compromise. If you want what it does, do front squats. If you are OL, do OL Back squats, other PL back squats are in most ways more useful.
Shaolos 1 year ago
@Shaolos FACT, is this guy is a powerlifter then he should do these ridiculous squats for obvious reasons. if he is an athlete then there is no better squat than the olympic squat in terms of improving flexibility, glute, ham and quad activation, hormone release and developing strength. You dont need to try and talk biomechanics to give the impression you know more than you do it doesnt impress me.
trinity9011 1 year ago
@trinity9011
Thanks for trying to make me qualify and impressive to you. I shall wear a short skirt next time, that should be impressive then.
Ok, examples :
Sprintstart of sprinters : Closer to PL squat, higher carryover
Vertical Jump : Depending on Anthropometry, PL squat and OL squat make no difference
Boxing Punch : OL - upright body
Wrestling tackle/shoot -- PL -> higher carryover
I dont know how it is where you come from, but people in science saying "FACT IS" are laughed at here.
Shaolos 1 year ago
@Shaolos you have no clue, literally no clue, if you sprinted the way powelifters squat your face would be touching the ground. there is not one top sprinter who does powerlifter squats, there is a reason for that, they are shit squats!
and vertical jump?!!!? the FACT that world class olympic lifters have the highest vertical jump of all athletes and are faster over 10m than sprinters is down to the way they squat! FACT.
you regurgitate info, you have no real understanding
trinity9011 1 year ago
@trinity9011
Youtube isnt really a great place for this discussion. With some charts, studies and comparisons of athletes we could get somwhere.
Let us end this at this point where you say : Olympic squat is better for everything and I stay with my "It depends on the chain dominance your sport has."
And by the way, put ""Sprint start" into google, check the mechanics of this incredibly posterior dominant sport and get back to when you want talk on science, not arrogance base.
Shaolos 1 year ago
@Shaolos Im really not displaying arrogance, it may seem like that but im just experienced, Ive worked with national level sprinters and worked with coaches who train world class sprinters and power athletes. i would disagree that sprinting is a posterior dominant sport, research has shown that the best 10m accelerators were also the best squatters i.e. squatted more weight and given that people who squat correctly like top sprinters, are quad dominant, therefore anterior dominant.
trinity9011 1 year ago
@trinity9011 You're being arrogant, and you sound like kid who just got his masters degree and wants to show it off. Stop Youtube debating and get some more experience.
jakesnod 1 year ago
@jakesnod who are you to tell me that? i have fair amount of experience probably more than you and debating is what its all about, thats how you gain experience, i do it on a daily basis. try to be a bit more constructive and join the debate dont just sit back and then try to shoot people down
trinity9011 1 year ago
@trinity9011 who are you to tell anyone anything? I would debate less, and spend more time training...tends to be a better way to gain experience. Do you list debate among your qualifications? "I am a xyz certified trainer with over 500 posts of debate on Youtube"?
jakesnod 1 year ago
@jakesnod professionals debate with other professionals. training on your own with gain you nothing. because individuals know nothing, you debate and research what a thousand professionals have researched then you gain experience. YOU will gain nothing chatting amongst your friends down the gym.
trinity9011 1 year ago
@trinity9011 I did not know that sprinters tended to be quad dominant.
LexPhilogus 1 year ago
@LexPhilogus They are during the beginning portion of the race (when they are leaning forward in an effort to get a faster leg turnover) but when they are in the upright position look at their form. They are reaching out with their legs and pulling like crazy with their glutes and hamstrings.
toserveandpraise88 1 year ago
@trinity9011 reggie bush plays pro football and could have held his own with a lot of olympic sprinters. pro football players train to sprint, and they train powerlifting style dead lift. not to mention have super high vertical jump. so powerlifting movements do help.
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@MrRanger1987 pro footballers may be very, very fast but they cant hold their own with top level sprinters, there is a massive difference in 100m sprint times. that aside i havent got a problem with the powerlifting style deadlift done properly. My argument is that in my opinion this squat is inferior to a properly executed olympic squat which would benefit any top athlete (other than powerlifters) much more than the squat in this vid
trinity9011 1 year ago 4
Accually, his postur isnt fine. He's doing good and clean lifts (exeptionaly good hip work) but his posture is tilt forward from above his shoulders to his neck and the wait is leaning on the lower half of the curve in order to releave the neck. What one has to do is train to keep your chest and neck up - you should practice by focusing on a spot on the ceiling and bring stress on the shoulderblades to keep them together.
PS: this isn't about bringing peple down. I'm just trying to share.
trivalentlogic 1 year ago
@trivalentlogic mark usually makes you stare at the ground when teaching how to squat, he absolutely hates it when you put your chest and head up. To each is own I guess
sloth3443 1 year ago
very good form!
Rollride 1 year ago
although he is leaning forward a little more than i would, this is still great form. not everyone lifts the same...
necterrin 1 year ago
believe ripptoe approved those shoes?
okigrow 1 year ago
Who is this Rip guy, some of you really worship him. is he an olympic team squat coach? I'd be a great coach, it would go like this......"Shut up and squat"
rico300zx 1 year ago
Im 15 years old and im getting taller at the moment, growing. so is this exersise bad for the back or OK?
HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Schpeet1 1 year ago
@Schpeet1 I'm not an expert, but like any exercise if you start light and work on your form, you will develop proper, comfortable technique and minimize the risk of injury. After doing the hard yards (technique development) you will then be able to really throw on the weights. Any exercise is potentially dangerous, even walking down the street. Try to find someone in your gym or on a sports team who can teach you proper form (if you can).
TheRugbyidiot 1 year ago
@TheRugbyidiot ok thanks man!
Schpeet1 1 year ago
WTF 0:15 the guy lift his heels from the ground, horrible squat!! OMG
tlast2O12dude 1 year ago
@tlast2O12dude well spotted!! this is fucking horrendous form from start to finish
trinity9011 1 year ago
whats up with the hip action? is that a crossfit squat?
rico300zx 1 year ago
@rico300zx,
No it is a Low-bar Back Squat (or at least it appears that way), it's what they do in powerlifting. You send the hips back, it apparently involves the Posterior chain more than High-bar Back Squats, but I really think that is up for debate.
mcnailler93G 1 year ago
the only thing wrong here are those shoes. how about some nice do-wins.
cray0308 1 year ago
or some black monochrome low-cut chuck taylors!!:)
kingwood246 1 year ago
He had 315 on there not 225 he is a strong kid and a very good squater he is going deep and coming up strong using his hips and quads keeping his chest steady and back aligned and head straight. RIP is a super coach!!
Krylogenic 1 year ago
@Krylogenic
are you sure its 315? From what I see is 2 45's on there.
masterfongv2 1 year ago
I love the controversy that manifests in squat video. It's like we just watched a religious video! hahah
freejumptraining 1 year ago 2
i thought you were supposed to go beyond parrallel? i thought thats how rip teaches
fupasack2 1 year ago
@DynamicConditioning1
stfu you techo gym bashing worthless shit sack,
go back to your airconditioned techno gym in front of the big daft fckin plasma screen and carry on coaching body combat and actionman attack with 5kg barbells.
Another keyboard bodybuilder who knows fckall about anything and theres million of them on here.
andysutils 1 year ago 4
You are god, stick it to him. :)
markyxsparky 1 year ago
@andysutils
ahhahaahha planet fitness
NiTr091 1 year ago
was that 225 or 315 i couldnt tell
fullyflared1995 1 year ago
i'm pretty damned sure that if rippetoe isn't making any negative comments towards the man's position, and only making him focus on going lower, then the man is doing just fine. rippetoe > youtube commentaries. those of you making negative comments should actually do yourself a favor and have rippetoe help you with your own squatting form. =)
malfeam 1 year ago
looks like a good squat, forward lean is normal with low bar and promotes hip drive..depth is good also, your not going ass to grass with low bar..i bet rip knows his shit
onceuponthecross 2 years ago 2
Are these Squats or good mornings? Terrible form, poor depth and terrible forward lean makes it look more like a back ext than a squat. This guy need to work on his ankle mobility he has very poor range of movement around his tibia and this is causing his horrible forward lean from the hips, more mobility work and loose the belt and work on some core strength rather than tryin to load up like a meat head!
DynamicConditioning1 2 years ago
I don't see what you see, maybe you are referring to a high bar squat where you would see his back as forward lean, but this is low bar and good form (not perfect, but good).
JayvH 2 years ago
At the top range of movement he is not at full extension through the hips, and at the bottom range of movement he has a very heavy forward lean through the hips, If you draw an imaginary line from his ankle joint through the tibia to the knee and a second line from the hip through the torso to the shoulder, in a good squat they should run parallel
DynamicConditioning1 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
, in this squat the shoulder positioning is very forward which shows that he has a heavy forward lean from the hips which looks like its coming from poor ankle movement. This puts a lot of stress on the lower back (hense the belt)and makes the squat look more like a good morning rather than a squat, just pause the video halfway through a squat and look at how bent forward he is, spend some time foam rolling and stretching, gastroc and hip flexors before setting up for the squat, this will help
DynamicConditioning1 2 years ago
the problem with posting videos online is every expert chimes in with their own version of what is best. the truth is individual bio mechanics vary so greatly, and add onto this every coache's different idea of what an ideal squat is that the only thing that really matters is if a trainee is: a.) doing the squat to the fullest ROM safely and as efficiently as their body alows, and b.) getting stronger
everything else is masturbatory bullshit
fatcat669 2 years ago 44
btw i should have said "self-proclaimed" expert. because we all know how many of those there are out there.
fatcat669 2 years ago
@fatcat669 tell crossfit junkees that, they will throw a rage fit.
RisingStars 1 year ago
@fatcat669 Bull...you can get stronger doing anything if you eat,lift heavy, rest and repeat.
MerkabaStar 1 year ago
@fatcat669
If you listen to Mark Riptoe's lectures, it's clear that he understands human physiology varies greatly from individual to individual. He never prescribes a "one size fits all" formula. Instead, he imagines the how the perfect power lifter would be built, then he imagines the perfect mechanics for that lifter. From there, he tries to span the gap between theory and reality with as little variation as possible.
domco2525 1 year ago
you are so full of shit that i just wanted to point it out so that everyone else knows and doesn't doubt it. there is a difference between high bar olympic squats which you describe, and mid to low bar squats which recruit the post chain a bit more. ideally someone training for overall strength and not for a specific style of lifting (olympic lifting, geared powerlifting) should squat in the safest manner that their individual biomechanics require. some people have more forward lean than others.
fatcat669 2 years ago 2
btw watch any raw powerlifting squat and you'll see how they resemble what the guy above is doing. btw i watched your videos and all i see is a bunch of pussies doing bosu ball bullshit. you have no right to post any sort of comment about strength training when you train yourself or your clients in that manner. you are just an ill-informed idiot.
fatcat669 2 years ago 4
specifically i watched one of your poor clients "cleaning" and pressing. if you let your clients train with form like that you have no right giving advice as you are clearly unqualified.
fatcat669 2 years ago 2
@DynamicConditioning1 Seriously? You sound like you work at planet fitness. Go eat tofu.
SLLuco 2 years ago 3
what the hell does ur ankles have to do with squating you aint movin them around or nothin
LAMBORGHINI748596 1 year ago
@LAMBORGHINI748596 the flexability of the ankle matters allot.
nikolatesla08 1 year ago
@nikolatesla08 kinda it doesnt matter as much as the flex of ur knees
LAMBORGHINI748596 1 year ago
@DynamicConditioning1
They're called low-bar squats.
JacktheDaniels 1 year ago
LOL at his thrusting. OMG LMAO
josevanreyes 2 years ago
I have some pretty simply questions, maybe someone could help.
1) What part of the leg do wide legged squats workout?
2) What part of the leg do shoulder width squats workout?
3) What part of the leg do close width squats workout?
I'd like to know what muscle groups are primarly focused and to what degree, in regards to above mentioned questions.
Thanks.
pred178 2 years ago
wide squats = more adductor, glutes ang hamstrings
narrow squats = more quads
onceuponthecross 2 years ago
Thanks I have a tendency to over analize squats which often times ruins my workout.
pred178 2 years ago
nothing, just use the stance that feels more comfortable, the rest are details.your legs will grow as a whole anyway
onceuponthecross 2 years ago
long legged guys, like the huge tall strongman guys? they do the same thing, dude.
my question on this video...i know low bar squatting gets more weight moving, but this kid looks like he has it pretty low, like it's about to fall. any response to my concern would be helpful. i'm asking to learn, not to criticize.
1radstallion 2 years ago
well i m talking about relative torso/femur lengths.
one doesn't have to be tall, it's just his femurs are long and his back short. not all people are built to squat perfectly..
any special advise for such a lifter?don't get me wrong, i admire Rip and i have his book. i just want to better my teqnique.
onceuponthecross 2 years ago
@onceuponthecross anybody can squat perfectly im 6'2, and i have done squats with my ass 1centimeter above the ground. i now just squat a few inches below parralel because goijng ass to grass hurts my legs =\.
im a decent squatter too, i squat around 225x20.
rctriplefresh5 2 years ago
this where i go off the page from rippetoe . . . i do not like carrying the weight on my rear delts. no other reason than it doesn't work for me there, so i do it the traditional way. other than that, the book super squats and rippetoe and kilgore's starting strength made me a firm believer in the awesome nature of this excercise when done properly.
MeesterChum 2 years ago
i ' d like to see some long legged guy squatting under his advice
no disrespect, but squatting for the dude in the vid
is sooo easy
onceuponthecross 2 years ago
Amazing form, great coaching
ChuffChowder 2 years ago
Some very good squats.
Rippetoe should come and give me some coaching, he's the god of perfect form.
hoplakee 2 years ago
Help me with learning the knees out thing.
taltezy 2 years ago
that guy has incredibly short femurs
onceuponthecross 2 years ago
Hahaha yeah. Kind of looks silly :P
Degenskonto 2 years ago
My nans dog has hip drive like that LOL
astonrd 2 years ago 4
first time i seen squats with thrusts like that
chairmanmao89 2 years ago 4
probably just his own way of knowing he's locked out, like a deadlift.
armstrongw5 2 years ago
thanks for the videos. motivating and educating.
cray0308 2 years ago
thats some of the best squatting i've seen
fataslin 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
that was a squat goodmorning.... shite
beturong1 2 years ago
apparently you don't know what either are
tubermann1 2 years ago