For all u Buick guys think about what ur saying u have to mod the Buick to get to the Lincoln's performance it's never good when u have to play catch up lol under the hood of the Lincoln beats the heart of a cobra not a turtle with a supercharger
And 13 years after this propaganda piece my 97 Mark still looks, rides and handles better than a Riv ever dreamed of. I had a Aunt that got the 96 with the huffer and it never came close to the performance of my dads 93, If you watch the vid you notice that the Riv nose dives hard and get a oscillation on the bump test.
I like my riviera, it is nice to drive for miles on freeways and not see another one , I can drive 20 miles and spot 20 mustangs , do turn heads once a while, and people ask what year it is, i would prefer awd on it and a v8 just cause i like to go fast, some people have thought it was v8 since theyve seen me take off and well it is considered a sleeper. Cant say nothing bad about the mark8 since never driven one but would if gotten the chance =)
They were comparing the Mark VIII to the N/A version (listen closely... "standard engine") of the Riviera. The SC version is an additional 40hp, which is the 1 most people bought. Drop a pulley size on the Riviera ($70), and it would eat the Mark VIII. Not to mention all the other available mods for the series II 3800, which was 1 of the greatest V6's ever built. You can bolt on alot of mods on that V6 for that extra $6k. Plus you will look like a senior citizen driving grandpa's Lincoln.
@TheKlixer If you listened closely they said and showed the Ser2. They admitted both of the engines were at a disadvantage to the base engine in the Mark
What kind of weed is Buick Smoking???? I have a 1997 Mark VIII LSC. It creams the Buick in every way. Including sales. I can't remember the last time a saw a Riviera???
Buick Riviera is a much better car throughout. With some minor bolt ons and tweaks that Riviera will eat that Mark for lunch and then have enough time for some dessert.
@nomellocreampig Yeah, you keep believing that. With a pulley change and a tune to match that V6 could easily double the horsepower of a 4.6. It has 25 more horsepower than a 4.6 from the factory. Not arguing, just stating facts. I'm sure the Lincoln is a good car.
@nomellocreampig Come back?.......hahahahahaha. To what? A video on YouTube where some kid is trying to prove he has a fast Lincoln? Got news for you skippy, I don't run V6's and don't care about your 215 horsepower Lincoln. Don't come back is my reply.
@LT1HILLINGHOE Right when I thought their couldn't be anymore stupid people on YT one is always eager to show himself.You said "not arguing just stating facts",but what you spew out is not factual at all.You couldn't find any of those V6's making a ton of horsepower that is why you just come back and talk more stupid shit.I for one don't own a Lincoln I have a 96 Monte and a 64 Impala so I'm not obligated to lie about the car.You need to just except the fact that you wrong,it does happen.
@nomellocreampig Since I own many Fords, Mercurys and many GM products...guess what skippy...I am not a lincoln fanboy like you. If you don't know of any Buick V6's making a ton of horsepower, then you are the one on YouTube who couldn't be more stupid. OBTW....I just sold a frame off restored blue/blue '64 SS Impala 283 w/a Powerglide that had 22,109 original miles to a buyer out of Florida for $36,500 plus fees. Have a nice life, stupid.
i'd take a mark viii over a riv anyday..my neighbor owns a 93 mark with a few bolt ons and is making well over 300 hp.and his son drives another 93 with 200k miles on it and it runs great and still out performs many cars..
Wow, lots of misinformation in these comments. I can't speak for Mark VIII as I haven't owned one, but I can say a few things about the Riviera. Mine currently has 226k miles. 0-60 mph: 5.78 secs. 1/4 mile: 13.9 secs at Norwalk. Dyno: 298 HP/ 370 TQ. Fuel: 21.5 MPG combined, mid-30s MPG hwy. Can it handle? Autocross shows it runs similar to MBenz SL/BMW 325i from late '90s, and very close to newer G35-S. Is it modded? Sure, but it didn't take much to build one of the best cars I've ever driven.
This sucks lol the Buick is a car for the grandpa who couldnt afford a cadillac. They also have a video comparing this to the Lexus SC300 which is a way nicer car compared to this. Not to mention its better at turning heads. The Lincoln is a superior car to this in pretty much everyway. The Riviera is a nice ass car I would drive one but only if I couldnt Afford the Lincoln or Lexus
i Like the Rivera's...but the Mark 8 is pretty much miles ahead of the Rivera,interior is MUCH better,better ergonomics,exterior is also a beauty,and when you consider that these are sports coupe the Mark 8 is especially better due to its Rear Wheel Drive Powertrain with a much more powerful V8...not knocking the Rivera...but its a Long Ways off from the Riveras of the 60's and 70's...and not as good as the Mark VIII in my opinion.
nah the mark wins hands down it looks better sounds better gets better mpg and doesnt have the head gasket problems the sc buick had the buicks where not as well made either they had nice seats and a decent engine below 100,000 miles thats about it the marks where the better overall value.. the buick is a forgetable car
Hey GM...the car you call the riveria looks like a fat ass fly or some type of byg. The Lincoln is very comfortable. Insanely powerful. For the engine, its great on gas and so sorry for your bad review here because i can chew up the 3800 supercharged with my 93 Mark all day long. GM SUCKS!
i agree man but i don't understand why compare riviera to mkviii lsc . however made this was a dumd ass because it should go against a 97 camaro z28 ss. i seen some people race 95-98 mk8 lsc against a 97 camaro z28 ss both were stock.
@dan30cal FUCK YOU THE RIVIERA IS LUXURY, OF COURSE ITS EXPENSIVE! AND IT IS A BETTER CAR ANYWAYS! im sorry, please dont take that personally.... i just needed to get that out of my system!
@dan30cal because: It is more comfortable, it rides smoother, it looks smoother while the lincoln mark looks more agressive, and the buick riviera also stands out, as it is rarer then the lincoln. also, gm put A LOT more money into producting this car, then the lincoln. the riviera costs more because its luxury- the lincoln DOSENT because lincoln didnt put all the comfort, and smooth ride in it. and so, the riviera is better in my opinion. im sorry if i came a bit too strong, with the cursing.
@dan30cal oh, the car is better for one reason: IT LASTS LONGER. THE MORE HORSEPOWER AND SHIT, THE FASTER IT BREAKS DOWN. another reason: Obviously, its more comfortable, or you've never sat in one yourself. and another reason: the mark's air spring suspension is shit, and i've tried it before and even this video says it. and another reason: It was proven better!!! Look!!!!! are you blind or just have shit for brains?
one thing i found out when i worked at the cadillac dealership about the riviera is that gm actually put faults in the system to put check engine light on when nothing is wrong.
These are 2 of my favorite cars. I really think that the Riviera's styling could still be fresh even to this day. The Riv is also less finicky and temperamental than the Mark.
Wow this is funny, just a few weeks ago I was looking at a Riv and a mark VIII. Liked them both a lot, but since I live in the north east and have to deal with snow half the year, I went with the Riv. Well that and the Mark was sold before I had made up my mind LOL! Both great cars. Only thing about the Riv that bugs me is it hits its limmiter at 105 mph ish, it gets there so fast, and then just stops LOL!
I have a 97 lincoln mark viii lsc and i love it. Its fast, comfortable, and in my opinion is a lot better looking. The riviera just looks goofy. Also my lincoln gets about 30 mpg on the highway. Not bad for a 3800lb hot rod lincoln
The Riviera can go either way with people. Some people love the look of the car and others don't. Me personally I like the rounded look of the whole car, and if you think the 3800 supercharged is "weak," obviously you have never driven one.
it's funny that they compared the mark and not the Continental the cony it a better comparison to the riv also have any of you ever worked on a riv? or a cony the drive line on a riv is a "F-ed" over, old's 88' or park ave and the cony ahh hello mustang cobra engine 8.8 rear diff. the sway side to side issue ohh please you can select the ride. also in the road test notice how the mark was flat around the cones and the riv was rolling like a fat pig!!!!
Ha ha, I guess Buick paid for this... I have never driven a Mark VIII, but I owned a '97 Riviera for 9 years and loved it. And the Riv definitely has the edge in styling! I really wish versions of both these cars were still offered.
The Mark VIII is far superior to the Riviera. The Buick is just plain UGLY! I'll take a V8 over a V6 any day of the week. I've drove both cars and The Mark VIII was so smooth, I thought the car was floating. Whoever designed the interior of the Riviera, had circles on the brain. Everything inside is round. WHY? That's what happens when you do crack and design cars. Next thing they design will have pink elephants in it. NO THANKS. LINCOLN RULES!
@88soulsurvivor that same motor was in my grand prix gtp and for next to nothing under $500 i was pulling away from 5.0 stangs like they were child's play see thats the thing with super chargers you want a little more power just down size the pulley and you've got more boost, for a little more then $50, add supporting mod's and you got even more power (cold air intake, and a bigger high flow down pipe) you put $500 into your lincoln and i'll put $500 into my grand prix and will see who wins
@nickv11763 Im sure that the riviera people never heard of the Mark VIII Tasca SuperMark. Came from the factory with a supercharger (and im told was built by the SVT divison). Plans were made to sell it as a high end performance car for lincoln but was axed by ford for cost reasons. 450hp came out of that car. don't see a V6 make that do you..
@ianater900 Amazing how you can come on here and call everyone an idiot, tell them to be a man and litter the word "shit" around; yet also make this claim:
"im not saying the lincoln mark isnt a nice car, because i like the car myself, but i just think the riviera is better. take it from a man who has drove both, will you?"
I think (which seems to be more than you are doing) the MK is better and I don't have to sound like an upset juvenile punk. Be a Man and learn how to have a discussion.
@ianater900 Second I have driven both. I have conceded that the Back seat of the MK is smaller. Any ytuber can explore around and see images of the Mk seats and see that they are more bolstered(something this ad didn't show) than the Buick. Which"obviously" shows your delusional bias and you've never sat in one.
I currently have 182k on my Mk and it is going strong. I have had no prob with my air suspension. So throw out all the fan boy dogma you want. I own a Mark and know whats true about it.
theyre both nice cars but im goin with the mark 8 on style performance comfort cuz i think the rivera is ugly in the front and back and the mark 8 has a stylish but mean and tough look at the same time i think and ive seen the interior on the riviera and that thing has way too many a/c vents
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the mark doesent have the same engine as the mustang gt its the mustang cobra engine and even that you cant compare a mid size riviera to a full size mark viii the only full size coupe gm made was the cadillac eldorado which as much as i love the mark viii the cadillac northstar has 15 more horsepower then the mark and its front wheel drive and hands down a quicker car then the mark i raced a lsc with my eldorado and said c-ya later
of course the mark 8 loses a test made by the buick department. who didnt see that coming? a base mark 8 has more power and luxury than a base riviera. and if u want to compare a supercharged riviera then compare it to the mark 8 lsc
So comfot can only be determined by room? I mean, sure leg room, hip room and shoulder room are big parts of comfort, but if you got shitty seats, all that goes to waste.
I always thought the Mark 7-8's were lousy because I was used to the Town Car, but I began to appreciate them when I started driving a Mark 8.
i hope u kno the mark 8 uses the same v8 that comes in the mustang gt. i hav seen mark 8s take on mustangs and camaros and win. its bascally a luxury version of the mustang
@rockerdude29 From reputable sources? Try going on Mark VIII forums and see what the average Mark VIII runs stock! The majority run in the high 14's, and a few ran 14.5. One 1993 ran 14.3 stock. Let's see the Riviera pull that off ;)
@rippedcamel no offense but I dont see a 14.3 out of a 3800lb car.by stock you mean...? Im going by straight off the line magazine times with OEM tires.If you wanna go mod by mod,the VIII is gorgeous and has a better layout,but those buick L67 supercharged 3.8s can run 13s with very little work.
@rippedcamel The Mark Viii Would never take off the line very quickly - The computer wouldn't let it, because it would rip the rear end out of it with the power. Let that Lincoln get up to 35 mph and it would smoke that Buick so fast they'd never know what hit them! I can't believe anyone actually wasted the videotape to compare the two - The Buick doesn't even compare to a Mark Viii !! Gimme' a break! Maybe a "Buick vs. Hyundai Pony" video would have more credibility... Mark Vii ROCKS!
@rippedcamel The Mark Viii Would never take off the line very quickly - The computer wouldn't let it, because it would rip the rear end out of it with the power. Let that Lincoln get up to 35 mph and it would smoke that Buick so fast they'd never know what hit them! I can't believe anyone actually wasted the videotape to compare the two - The Buick doesn't even compare to a Mark Viii !! Gimme' a break! Maybe a "Buick vs. Hyundai Pony" video would have more credibility... Mark Viii ROCKS!
@rippedcamel and the riviera would hand your ass at a quarter mile. all because the riviera is better then your shitty ass lincolns dosent mean you need to be so down on them. im not saying the lincoln mark isnt a nice car, because i like the car myself, but i just think the riviera is better. take it from a man who has drove both, will you?
@JarrodES13 if where talking performance just drop a pulley size on the super charger and you'll pull on a mk vIII for the cost of about $55 dollars plus the install
@nickv11763 The only problem is that in the long run, the Mark's combination of having a Cobra 4.6L V8, RWD, and the amount of modifications that could be made to it... I'm a Riviera owner, love the car. Great daily driver, decent performance, and great fuel economy, but for a performance perspective, the Mark VIII will always win.
I still have yet to see a 600+ horsepower FWD Riviera on the internet. o.O
@nickv11763 After dumping a whole lot more money into it, and the Riviera weighs much more. I'm sure there are four cylinder Honda's that could run just as fast, but it's all a matter of how much you want to spend.
I'm not sleeping on the engine, I have one in my Riviera (3800 Series II). It's just a pure fact that modifying the Ford V8 is much more cost efficient than then 3800 Series engine.
And I know that you already posted that you're pulling on 5.0's and everything... who cares?
@JarrodES13 it doesn't cost much to mod my gtp but the reason why i'm putting that out there is b/c a 4 door sports luxery beat a 2 door v8 sport car that is about 700lbs less lol
@JarrodES13 a 5.0 has 225hp and over 300 ft pound's of tq and has a curb weight of only 2800lbs is rear wheel drive and is stick it should be faster then the gtp which has 240hp and 280tq with a curb weight of over 3400lbs 600lbs less have you ever heard of power to weight plus the grand prix gtp is also front wheel drive and only comes in auto, based on those stats the 5.0 should win, so what are you getting at the fact that you lack common sense
The thing you're lacking is the fact that I don't care about your fanboy attitudes towards your GTP. Just because you own one and raced old Mustangs with it doesn't mean shit to me.
And the thing you forget to mention when you're talking about converting to a power-to-weight ratio is that you also have to remember the transmission set up along with the gearing. Most Fox's had pretty tall gearing from the factory.
So, honestly, just shut up dude. Seriously. No one cares.
@JarrodES13 okay #1the word fanboy is gay end of story #2 grand prix's also have tall gears and #3 the whole point of this was just to say that the car is a great daily driver and nothing more
i have a 95 lincoln mark viii lsc with 91k love this car to death the speed style are a deadly combination the interior is beautiful but the air ride suspension is a bitch! my front air bags had a leak so the front of the car was way low to the ground to get that fixed it would cost 775 for the struts and 200 for labor at one shop, because no one else in town wanted to mess with it, so i decided to convert all four the air suspension to coil for 375 and 200 for labor ,
dang... should have done it yourself. I did my whole kit myself and it was hands down the easiest suspension i have ever worked on. The front struts took maybe an hour for the 1st, 30 minutes for the second (since i knew how to do it now) and about 45 minutes for both of the rears. Definetly worth it to get rid of the bags though. Mine did the same thing. Leaky fuckers
lol. that's why i hate licoln. i owned a mark VII, and with the air ride suspension brakes easily, and looks like a low rider when you get out (the part the releases air is busted) i thought they fixed this,but i see mk. 8's in the parking lot with this problem all the time!
i have owned both. but i own a car lot so i get to check out all kinds of cars. in my opinion, the mark viii wins. although both cars really are awesome, i just preferred the mark viii. such class and the high intensity headlights. and the light for the ground that come off the side mirrors. i got a lot of compliments on the cars interior and exterior. again, both cars are great, but i had a black mark viii, with grey leather interior that i just loved.
The Riviera has a slight performance advantage over the Mark stock because of its low end torque. Most people just look at hp #'s and judge a cars speed based of that. Big mistake. Not to mention the Riviera is cheaper to mod than the Mark. Looking at Mark VIII vids on here there is a guy running high 11s and has put $10K in parts alone into it. Ouch! To get the Riviera into the 11s it will cost $5K maybe $6K tops for parts. I do love both cars though.
Just so the die-hard mark drivers know, the V6 that's in the riviera can and has made better than 800hp. Plenty of mod possibilities are available for both cars. I've only briefly driven a 98 LSC and own a riv. As far as I'm concerned they both suck for handling (as expected from tanks) but the riv has a better ride quality. I love the RWD but it doesn't make up for everything else. Overall both cars are definitely for people who genuinely like cars and I give cheers for all driving either one.
my main thing i worry about is repair costs. i have been driving since 92, i have had over 15 lincolns including the mark viii and they all have had costly problems, rear seal oil leaks, suspension, etc. i have been around 4 rivs with over 150000 miles that run strong. mine has 158000 and still runs like new and i'm VERY hard on cars.
Admittedly, if Lincoln had made a video about the Mark VIII that was SO incredibly biased and subjective, I'd feel better about my car for about thirty seconds. IMO, they are both great cars, but as others have said the Riv has to use a blower to keep up, handles poorly, is FWD, and has FAR fewer available mods. I believe the Linc has the advantage on performance by far, both out of the box and in terms of potential. They're both great luxo-coupes with plenty of power. Wish they made more of 'em
The Buick has to use a blower because it has two less cylinders. Yes it's FWD and there are alot of mods to keep up with the VIII. Cams, pistons, transmissions. It's just not talked about as much as the Mark VIII because it has the Cobra motor, all the performance parts are gonna be out in the open. I had a Supercharged Riviera myself and it was fast, believe me. My cousin has a Mark VIII and we raced, he got beat by about 5 car lengths. I love the VIII but both cars aren't race cars.
Fyi the cobra block was only used in the LSC engines. Was your cousin's car still spinning its wheels while you drove off 5 car lengths ahead. The SC RIV and the LCS Mark were close at the start The 3800 riv and the 280 hp mark no contest....WORST thing Mark drivers froget to do is turn off that damb TC and hit herir accelerator too hard. I have 275's on my mark and it hooks up pretty good but they still break loose if you hit it to hard. Your cousin probably doesn't know how to race. IMOO
No he wasn't spinning an TC was off. We even did a rolling start from 20 mph and he still got beat by about 2 car lengths. He knows how to drive it, it's his second VIII.
Oh well it just so happens that my uncle had a lexus, and one day when it was in the shop (cuz its a chromed toyota), he waas given a mark VIII loaner, due to parts he kept it a week, when they called to say his car was done he said keep it, he traded for the mark 8, it now has 400,000 miles and the only problem has been the air ride,LINCOLN RULES
Learn how to fix your car and it wont cost anywhere near that price maybe 700 tops to replace everything. Or you could go the cheapo way and go with the spring conversion for 350.
You don't think that the Cadillac 500 or 472 is a good engine? Personally, I love them. Both make about 500 lb-ft of torque stock, and almost 300HP stock. They're about the size of a SBC 350, but make substantially more power. Then again, I'm biased because I own one....
True, but personally I think that the 500ci Cadillac motor is engineered better. I also like it because it makes more power.... Did you know that you can put 425 heads on a 500? Interesting isn't it? :)
I own both,I am lucky I know,Mark viii is better!FLAT OUT!Don't get me wrong the buick is great too!I have 2 97 lsc mark viii's,and a 95 SC Riv.I wish the Buick was rear wheel drive.The Mark is slower on the take off but wipes the doors off on the high end.The mark viii is more comfortabe for the driver.The mark viii is a prettier car(I think)but the riv is not that far behind.I hate Ford and Buick for not making these cars anymore.I will only drive AMERICAN cars and these reached out to me.
Thanks for posting. I've had my 1997 Riviera for almost 8 years. If there is a club or online forum for this generation of Rivieras I would appreciate hearing about it.
First off put a Mark VIII ***LSC*** against the supercharged Buick. Next, drive both cars on the TRACK. The Mark will kick the Riv's ass. Lincoln is a Luxery Sport Coupe, built for spirited driving, not carting a family of six to Sunday church, or to go four wheeling through potholes. How about sound systems? Ford's JBL blows GM's Bose (blows) garbage out of the water. Styling? The Buick puts me to sleep. How about showing an LSC with the chrome directional rims, and blacked out trim?
Actually I have done that. I have a '96 supercharged Rivera and my cousin has a '97 lsc. Everytime we race from a stop he has nothing for me. Highway it's about dead even.
@slipninja You are so right. The guys that did this video were definitely paid off by Buick to say good things about the Riviera and bash The Mark VIII. Lincoln rules all. I have been looking for one of these for months and can't find one. The ride is like floating on a cloud and fast as hell. LOVE IT! Great comment.
I pullied my 99 and hogged out the air intake with a dental hand piece. In my opinion it runs very close to the couple of Mk VIIIs I have driven. BTW I owned a 96 Cobra with DOHC 4.6L, sweet motor. Rivi is hands down a nicer ride.
Im sure that the riviera people never heard of the Mark VIII Tasca SuperMark. Came from the factory with a supercharger (and im told was built by the SVT divison). Plans were made to sell it as a high end performance car for lincoln but was axed by ford for cost reasons. 450hp came out of that car. don't see a V6 make that do you..
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Don't worry, that bitch started talking his shit to me too about the Mark VIII. Wasted effort trying to talk to the idiot. Besides, which car was made longer? Hmm, not the Mark VIII...
Dude my riv's ass eats ass on gas. I love the car but it is no match for the Mark. I think I just hate FWD. Drive a mark....better yet own a mark and then compare.
@Mark7lincoln zzp has a 750hp grand prix gtp with the same 3.8L V6 that's in the riviera, it pulls an 8.6sec 1/4 mile and the thing thats funny is it has nowhere near the aftermarket support in terms of how many companies make parts for it as the Mark VIII motor does b/c if it did it would be even faster
Hence why it's more cost effective to build a Ford fox bodied car...
And I never said anything against the ability of a GTP or any other 3800 Series-powered vehicles. They drive great. That's why I have my Riviera, it has sufficient power and drivers very nicely. All I've been saying this whole time is that it will always cost more to modify these cars over the Ford vehicles just because of the simple fact no one makes any parts for them and it costs too much.
You can't beat the supercharged boost off the line and its alot bigger inside. The Mark is like a tank but why so cramped inside? Plus The Riv was less money and is still a flagship model.
So let's supercharge the Mark VIII up to, oh, say 400 hp and reshoot this OBVIOUSLY BUICK ENDORSED video eh? Give the Buick a supercharger advantage over the Mark and the Mark STILL has more STOCK horsepower... Yeah, it's pretty obvious who made this infomercial.
Have to give credit for the facts posted here in the video, but the information that I see lacking is what grabs my attention. Where is the 0-60 times, and head to head customer evaluations?.. Yes, supercharger comes close, but when does close count as a 'win' or 'advatage' if you don't have it forget it. F.Y.I Mark VIII's are really able for high mods with the 350+ hp and more, not to mention bolt on superchargers that don't cost much to begin with. Hands down still mark 8!
The 3800 Series II L67 Supercharged market is high. Tons of websites for parts on this engine. and who else can add 20 hp for 40 bucks? just switch to a smaller pulley. But that's not even the half of the mods available for very low cost.
True.. but have you seen how much you can do with the 4.6L V8 in the lincoln?.. hmm I can get a compleate performance pully system for mark 8 for around $50, and wow I can tricks to the computer/engine tricks for added power for free to.
Same with the Riv and The smaller pully on the supercharger will give you a better advantage then under under drive pulley. anywhere from 15-30 hp for 40 bucks. Both ths cars have lots of mods available but I see that some 4.6L stuff runs pretty high.
they did give the performance edge to the mark 8... the 0-60 times are very close for these two cars , both doing in about 7-7.5 seconds. the mark im sure has a bit more up top power... besides the riv sold for less and has a much higher resale value than the mark 8. plus if u were to buy new and mod you'd be thousands ahead if u bought the riv.
Comparing a supercharged V6 to an N/A V8 is apples and oranges; hardly a fair comparison and a fallacious argument. Look at both engines in their N/A form and compare HP per cubic inch. That would be a fair comparison of the engines.
Riv is better anyways. They can be heavily modified and have well over 350+ hp on stock internals. Riv is also WAY more comfortable. I am from germany and own a '98 Rivera.
I love my 94 markviii. Theres so much power right now its not even funny
nextgenrbv 3 days ago
For all u Buick guys think about what ur saying u have to mod the Buick to get to the Lincoln's performance it's never good when u have to play catch up lol under the hood of the Lincoln beats the heart of a cobra not a turtle with a supercharger
littlemurk1 1 month ago
@spoiler71 Just like sports fans, even when they re team lose they cant accept it
SlackersIndustry 2 months ago
And 13 years after this propaganda piece my 97 Mark still looks, rides and handles better than a Riv ever dreamed of. I had a Aunt that got the 96 with the huffer and it never came close to the performance of my dads 93, If you watch the vid you notice that the Riv nose dives hard and get a oscillation on the bump test.
Spoiler71 2 months ago
I like my riviera, it is nice to drive for miles on freeways and not see another one , I can drive 20 miles and spot 20 mustangs , do turn heads once a while, and people ask what year it is, i would prefer awd on it and a v8 just cause i like to go fast, some people have thought it was v8 since theyve seen me take off and well it is considered a sleeper. Cant say nothing bad about the mark8 since never driven one but would if gotten the chance =)
SlackersIndustry 3 months ago
@SlackersIndustry There is a reason that you dont see many Riv's on the street anymore.
Spoiler71 2 months ago
Look for everyone who saying that the Buick riviera is stupid...... GO DRIVE ONE
99hottottie 4 months ago
They were comparing the Mark VIII to the N/A version (listen closely... "standard engine") of the Riviera. The SC version is an additional 40hp, which is the 1 most people bought. Drop a pulley size on the Riviera ($70), and it would eat the Mark VIII. Not to mention all the other available mods for the series II 3800, which was 1 of the greatest V6's ever built. You can bolt on alot of mods on that V6 for that extra $6k. Plus you will look like a senior citizen driving grandpa's Lincoln.
TheKlixer 4 months ago
@TheKlixer If you listened closely they said and showed the Ser2. They admitted both of the engines were at a disadvantage to the base engine in the Mark
Spoiler71 2 months ago
They're both great cars.
waldomademedoit 5 months ago
What kind of weed is Buick Smoking???? I have a 1997 Mark VIII LSC. It creams the Buick in every way. Including sales. I can't remember the last time a saw a Riviera???
WALTERBROADDUS 6 months ago
Lincoln has better styling than riviera's =S.... all the way
mickeyjmgr01 6 months ago
Buick Riviera is a much better car throughout. With some minor bolt ons and tweaks that Riviera will eat that Mark for lunch and then have enough time for some dessert.
LT1HILLINGHOE 6 months ago
@LT1HILLINGHOE That V6 ain't all that great,plus you could never make as much hp as you could with a 4.6l 4v.
nomellocreampig 5 months ago
@nomellocreampig Yeah, you keep believing that. With a pulley change and a tune to match that V6 could easily double the horsepower of a 4.6. It has 25 more horsepower than a 4.6 from the factory. Not arguing, just stating facts. I'm sure the Lincoln is a good car.
LT1HILLINGHOE 5 months ago
@LT1HILLINGHOE I'm saying long run V6 vs V8,come back when you have one of them engines cranking out 800+.Also FWD with 800 hp would be a harsh ride.
nomellocreampig 5 months ago
@nomellocreampig Come back?.......hahahahahaha. To what? A video on YouTube where some kid is trying to prove he has a fast Lincoln? Got news for you skippy, I don't run V6's and don't care about your 215 horsepower Lincoln. Don't come back is my reply.
LT1HILLINGHOE 5 months ago
@LT1HILLINGHOE Right when I thought their couldn't be anymore stupid people on YT one is always eager to show himself.You said "not arguing just stating facts",but what you spew out is not factual at all.You couldn't find any of those V6's making a ton of horsepower that is why you just come back and talk more stupid shit.I for one don't own a Lincoln I have a 96 Monte and a 64 Impala so I'm not obligated to lie about the car.You need to just except the fact that you wrong,it does happen.
nomellocreampig 5 months ago
@nomellocreampig Since I own many Fords, Mercurys and many GM products...guess what skippy...I am not a lincoln fanboy like you. If you don't know of any Buick V6's making a ton of horsepower, then you are the one on YouTube who couldn't be more stupid. OBTW....I just sold a frame off restored blue/blue '64 SS Impala 283 w/a Powerglide that had 22,109 original miles to a buyer out of Florida for $36,500 plus fees. Have a nice life, stupid.
LT1HILLINGHOE 5 months ago
i'd take a mark viii over a riv anyday..my neighbor owns a 93 mark with a few bolt ons and is making well over 300 hp.and his son drives another 93 with 200k miles on it and it runs great and still out performs many cars..
AkLG5 6 months ago
Wow, lots of misinformation in these comments. I can't speak for Mark VIII as I haven't owned one, but I can say a few things about the Riviera. Mine currently has 226k miles. 0-60 mph: 5.78 secs. 1/4 mile: 13.9 secs at Norwalk. Dyno: 298 HP/ 370 TQ. Fuel: 21.5 MPG combined, mid-30s MPG hwy. Can it handle? Autocross shows it runs similar to MBenz SL/BMW 325i from late '90s, and very close to newer G35-S. Is it modded? Sure, but it didn't take much to build one of the best cars I've ever driven.
vanwiseman 7 months ago
This sucks lol the Buick is a car for the grandpa who couldnt afford a cadillac. They also have a video comparing this to the Lexus SC300 which is a way nicer car compared to this. Not to mention its better at turning heads. The Lincoln is a superior car to this in pretty much everyway. The Riviera is a nice ass car I would drive one but only if I couldnt Afford the Lincoln or Lexus
Branden1119 9 months ago
i Like the Rivera's...but the Mark 8 is pretty much miles ahead of the Rivera,interior is MUCH better,better ergonomics,exterior is also a beauty,and when you consider that these are sports coupe the Mark 8 is especially better due to its Rear Wheel Drive Powertrain with a much more powerful V8...not knocking the Rivera...but its a Long Ways off from the Riveras of the 60's and 70's...and not as good as the Mark VIII in my opinion.
form109 10 months ago
nah the mark wins hands down it looks better sounds better gets better mpg and doesnt have the head gasket problems the sc buick had the buicks where not as well made either they had nice seats and a decent engine below 100,000 miles thats about it the marks where the better overall value.. the buick is a forgetable car
turbofox85 11 months ago
Hey GM...the car you call the riveria looks like a fat ass fly or some type of byg. The Lincoln is very comfortable. Insanely powerful. For the engine, its great on gas and so sorry for your bad review here because i can chew up the 3800 supercharged with my 93 Mark all day long. GM SUCKS!
thunderbirdsc92 11 months ago
@thunderbirdsc92
i agree man but i don't understand why compare riviera to mkviii lsc . however made this was a dumd ass because it should go against a 97 camaro z28 ss. i seen some people race 95-98 mk8 lsc against a 97 camaro z28 ss both were stock.
MegaFordpower 11 months ago
This so called "review" looks more like a chevy commercial...
The Mark viii OWNS The Riviera in every way but price, and your 6,000 does go to a better car overall...
dan30cal 1 year ago 40
@dan30cal FUCK YOU THE RIVIERA IS LUXURY, OF COURSE ITS EXPENSIVE! AND IT IS A BETTER CAR ANYWAYS! im sorry, please dont take that personally.... i just needed to get that out of my system!
Quarterworth 1 year ago
@Quarterworth How is it a better car exactly?
dan30cal 1 year ago 4
@dan30cal because: It is more comfortable, it rides smoother, it looks smoother while the lincoln mark looks more agressive, and the buick riviera also stands out, as it is rarer then the lincoln. also, gm put A LOT more money into producting this car, then the lincoln. the riviera costs more because its luxury- the lincoln DOSENT because lincoln didnt put all the comfort, and smooth ride in it. and so, the riviera is better in my opinion. im sorry if i came a bit too strong, with the cursing.
Quarterworth 1 year ago
@dan30cal oh, the car is better for one reason: IT LASTS LONGER. THE MORE HORSEPOWER AND SHIT, THE FASTER IT BREAKS DOWN. another reason: Obviously, its more comfortable, or you've never sat in one yourself. and another reason: the mark's air spring suspension is shit, and i've tried it before and even this video says it. and another reason: It was proven better!!! Look!!!!! are you blind or just have shit for brains?
ianater900 8 months ago
one thing i found out when i worked at the cadillac dealership about the riviera is that gm actually put faults in the system to put check engine light on when nothing is wrong.
andyass3 1 year ago
@andyass3
explain?
epic612 1 year ago
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@andyass3 you are full of shit
ashlee0 1 year ago
are you kidding me? this is the most biased crappy "review" i have ever heard
The mark vii has this, but riviera does this
MARK VIII FTW!!!!!!
halohadel 1 year ago 2
FWD is for sissies and soccer moms. Real men drive REAR-WHEEL-DRIVE!!!!!
Mark VIII all the way!
I have two, they're great cars!!!
tjhaywood100 1 year ago 11
These are 2 of my favorite cars. I really think that the Riviera's styling could still be fresh even to this day. The Riv is also less finicky and temperamental than the Mark.
supreme2005 1 year ago
Wow this is funny, just a few weeks ago I was looking at a Riv and a mark VIII. Liked them both a lot, but since I live in the north east and have to deal with snow half the year, I went with the Riv. Well that and the Mark was sold before I had made up my mind LOL! Both great cars. Only thing about the Riv that bugs me is it hits its limmiter at 105 mph ish, it gets there so fast, and then just stops LOL!
BoberMcBoberson 1 year ago
I have a 97 lincoln mark viii lsc and i love it. Its fast, comfortable, and in my opinion is a lot better looking. The riviera just looks goofy. Also my lincoln gets about 30 mpg on the highway. Not bad for a 3800lb hot rod lincoln
philstad28 1 year ago
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NO thank,,,
i dont like both cars
bestamerica 1 year ago
How one sided is this! Its like comparing apples to oranges!
I think its so funny they call a buick a luxury car!
Lincoln marks have it all power and luxury
hotrodlincoln26 1 year ago
Both are nice cars but I'd take the Riviera over the Mark VIII.
paintedbird 1 year ago
The Riviera can go either way with people. Some people love the look of the car and others don't. Me personally I like the rounded look of the whole car, and if you think the 3800 supercharged is "weak," obviously you have never driven one.
colten18 1 year ago
it's funny that they compared the mark and not the Continental the cony it a better comparison to the riv also have any of you ever worked on a riv? or a cony the drive line on a riv is a "F-ed" over, old's 88' or park ave and the cony ahh hello mustang cobra engine 8.8 rear diff. the sway side to side issue ohh please you can select the ride. also in the road test notice how the mark was flat around the cones and the riv was rolling like a fat pig!!!!
ole409 1 year ago
Ha ha, I guess Buick paid for this... I have never driven a Mark VIII, but I owned a '97 Riviera for 9 years and loved it. And the Riv definitely has the edge in styling! I really wish versions of both these cars were still offered.
chrisgreen67 1 year ago
The Mark VIII is far superior to the Riviera. The Buick is just plain UGLY! I'll take a V8 over a V6 any day of the week. I've drove both cars and The Mark VIII was so smooth, I thought the car was floating. Whoever designed the interior of the Riviera, had circles on the brain. Everything inside is round. WHY? That's what happens when you do crack and design cars. Next thing they design will have pink elephants in it. NO THANKS. LINCOLN RULES!
mikerules666 1 year ago
I know from EXPERIENCE. The Mark VIII is a much better, luxurious car than the Buick Riviera.
iceguy2003 1 year ago
@Slipninja
i know you made the comment two years ago but i have to say something... BUICK IS PART OF GM you fuck tard
BigXSmoke1 1 year ago
@BigXSmoke1 - Yeah, so...? When did I say it wasn't you horse's ass? Lay off the crack you douchebag.
slipninja 1 year ago
Update: bought a '97 Riviera with the 3800 Series II -- AMAZING!
JarrodES13 1 year ago
classic american luxo crusiers
dnur567 1 year ago
This Video is Bias. They know the Lincoln is better in every way. There's no substitute for V8 displacement, Air ride, RWD, & Lincoln quality!
88soulsurvivor 1 year ago
@88soulsurvivor that same motor was in my grand prix gtp and for next to nothing under $500 i was pulling away from 5.0 stangs like they were child's play see thats the thing with super chargers you want a little more power just down size the pulley and you've got more boost, for a little more then $50, add supporting mod's and you got even more power (cold air intake, and a bigger high flow down pipe) you put $500 into your lincoln and i'll put $500 into my grand prix and will see who wins
nickv11763 1 year ago
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@nickv11763 Im sure that the riviera people never heard of the Mark VIII Tasca SuperMark. Came from the factory with a supercharger (and im told was built by the SVT divison). Plans were made to sell it as a high end performance car for lincoln but was axed by ford for cost reasons. 450hp came out of that car. don't see a V6 make that do you..
88soulsurvivor 1 year ago
Roomier back seat than my MK8= yes
More comfortable than my well bolstered seats=no
Noise??? People have often told me how quite my car is.
Styling? I may be biased but I never notice the Rivieras driving around. People do notice my Mk8 and they give me nods.
I went on a field troop through Montana last summer. Was able to get non ethel fuel and do 75 as the hiway speed= average 32mpg with AC on.
I love my Mark VIII.
goombakiwi 2 years ago 2
plus they didnt even say they anything aboout the LSC witch has real dual exaust and has deeper gears (3.27)
Acrom31Faulk28 1 year ago
@goombakiwi you obviously never sat in a riviera. be a man, you idiot.
ianater900 8 months ago
@ianater900 Amazing how you can come on here and call everyone an idiot, tell them to be a man and litter the word "shit" around; yet also make this claim:
"im not saying the lincoln mark isnt a nice car, because i like the car myself, but i just think the riviera is better. take it from a man who has drove both, will you?"
I think (which seems to be more than you are doing) the MK is better and I don't have to sound like an upset juvenile punk. Be a Man and learn how to have a discussion.
goombakiwi 8 months ago
@ianater900 Second I have driven both. I have conceded that the Back seat of the MK is smaller. Any ytuber can explore around and see images of the Mk seats and see that they are more bolstered(something this ad didn't show) than the Buick. Which"obviously" shows your delusional bias and you've never sat in one.
I currently have 182k on my Mk and it is going strong. I have had no prob with my air suspension. So throw out all the fan boy dogma you want. I own a Mark and know whats true about it.
goombakiwi 8 months ago
@goombakiwi well then we obviously have good intentions for both cars.
ianater900 8 months ago
theyre both nice cars but im goin with the mark 8 on style performance comfort cuz i think the rivera is ugly in the front and back and the mark 8 has a stylish but mean and tough look at the same time i think and ive seen the interior on the riviera and that thing has way too many a/c vents
crazyfootballwarrior 2 years ago
sorry styling should be the mark, even though the riviera is a nice looking from the sides, the front and back are pretty ugly!
MEGABOINK65 2 years ago 3
I love dis white dude! haha. Go Buick!
Jay500500500 2 years ago
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the mark doesent have the same engine as the mustang gt its the mustang cobra engine and even that you cant compare a mid size riviera to a full size mark viii the only full size coupe gm made was the cadillac eldorado which as much as i love the mark viii the cadillac northstar has 15 more horsepower then the mark and its front wheel drive and hands down a quicker car then the mark i raced a lsc with my eldorado and said c-ya later
CabralzConti95 2 years ago
v8 vs v6 supercharged, rwd vs fwd. There is no contest here, only total domination. Mark Viii
dugiv 2 years ago 9
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rippedcamel 2 years ago
To clarify the more aggressive intake cam and manifold is on the actual Cobra not the Mark
rippedcamel 2 years ago
of course the mark 8 loses a test made by the buick department. who didnt see that coming? a base mark 8 has more power and luxury than a base riviera. and if u want to compare a supercharged riviera then compare it to the mark 8 lsc
abuldabcha 2 years ago
Exactly
Acrom31Faulk28 1 year ago
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zsegoblue 2 years ago
I thought the Mark VIII competes with the Eldorado?
yellowmusicfreak 2 years ago 4
So comfot can only be determined by room? I mean, sure leg room, hip room and shoulder room are big parts of comfort, but if you got shitty seats, all that goes to waste.
I always thought the Mark 7-8's were lousy because I was used to the Town Car, but I began to appreciate them when I started driving a Mark 8.
I'd still take my TC though.
CsalbertCs 2 years ago
The riviera has a nice side body, the face is ugly and the back. the mark is hot all around, lookwise ahead of it's time i'l lsay!
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flyyykiid562 2 years ago
Maybe this is irrelevant to their target market but in a large car especially I would definitely prefer RWD over FWD.
vaguy78 2 years ago 4
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who the hell cares. there both slow. u want to go fast buy a camaro or mustang. this comparison is over more than just who has the best 1/4 mile et.
kurtass16 2 years ago
i hope u kno the mark 8 uses the same v8 that comes in the mustang gt. i hav seen mark 8s take on mustangs and camaros and win. its bascally a luxury version of the mustang
abuldabcha 2 years ago
I love how they only show you the first 30 ft for that drag race! The Mark would hand that Riviera it's ass if it went out to a full 1/4 mile run!
rippedcamel 2 years ago 24
whatever you say dude
kurtass16 2 years ago
@rippedcamel no necessarily true:
1996 Buick Riviera 0-60 mph 7.0 Quarter mile 15.2
1998 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC 7.0 15.3
All from reputable sources,not from out of my ass lol.
rockerdude29 1 year ago
@rockerdude29 From reputable sources? Try going on Mark VIII forums and see what the average Mark VIII runs stock! The majority run in the high 14's, and a few ran 14.5. One 1993 ran 14.3 stock. Let's see the Riviera pull that off ;)
rippedcamel 1 year ago
@rippedcamel no offense but I dont see a 14.3 out of a 3800lb car.by stock you mean...? Im going by straight off the line magazine times with OEM tires.If you wanna go mod by mod,the VIII is gorgeous and has a better layout,but those buick L67 supercharged 3.8s can run 13s with very little work.
rockerdude29 1 year ago
@rippedcamel The Mark Viii Would never take off the line very quickly - The computer wouldn't let it, because it would rip the rear end out of it with the power. Let that Lincoln get up to 35 mph and it would smoke that Buick so fast they'd never know what hit them! I can't believe anyone actually wasted the videotape to compare the two - The Buick doesn't even compare to a Mark Viii !! Gimme' a break! Maybe a "Buick vs. Hyundai Pony" video would have more credibility... Mark Vii ROCKS!
gbiggar 11 months ago
@rippedcamel The Mark Viii Would never take off the line very quickly - The computer wouldn't let it, because it would rip the rear end out of it with the power. Let that Lincoln get up to 35 mph and it would smoke that Buick so fast they'd never know what hit them! I can't believe anyone actually wasted the videotape to compare the two - The Buick doesn't even compare to a Mark Viii !! Gimme' a break! Maybe a "Buick vs. Hyundai Pony" video would have more credibility... Mark Viii ROCKS!
gbiggar 11 months ago
@rippedcamel and the riviera would hand your ass at a quarter mile. all because the riviera is better then your shitty ass lincolns dosent mean you need to be so down on them. im not saying the lincoln mark isnt a nice car, because i like the car myself, but i just think the riviera is better. take it from a man who has drove both, will you?
ianater900 8 months ago
i love both these cars. i like the older mark 8 tho
JX426 2 years ago 2
1976 Mark IV. That's luxury.
MinuteMaidDrinker 2 years ago
Rivieras are fugly. I love buick but its just not a good looking car.
FiredUpZ28 2 years ago 3
ur crazy
it is a stylish and unique car
1590880 2 years ago
That generation Riv is one of the only Buicks that I can say Im not crazy about. I'd get one for the interior and the Supercharger though.
The later era MK8s got uglier inside and out, stick with the early ones.
3800TType 2 years ago
Completely biased? Yes. Mark VIII all the way. Riviera's back end is hideous, and... it's a Buick.
solidleadtrpt 2 years ago
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yeah the lincoln mark VIIIs front end is waaay uglier
sidescrollin 2 years ago
put a supercharger on the mark vlll and see what happens
joehabr 2 years ago 4
now you can get to bingo faster
sidescrollin 2 years ago 4
@joehabr oh i saw it looks even uglier then it was before great
ianater900 8 months ago
mark viii all the waaaay!
juanitonk 3 years ago 13
yeah definatly
Pistoly21496 3 years ago 5
Both are great cars.
A nice daily driver? Both would be great.
You want the performance but don't care about the money? Mk VIII all the way.
If you want more along the lines of fuel efficiency and being able to drive all year? Riviera.
In the end though, both are great cars. I wouldn't mind owning either one of them. :-)
JarrodES13 3 years ago 6
If you want performance you go with the SuperCharged Riviera. If you want fuel efficiency you go with the base Buick Riviera
SuperrrFLy 3 years ago
@JarrodES13 if where talking performance just drop a pulley size on the super charger and you'll pull on a mk vIII for the cost of about $55 dollars plus the install
nickv11763 1 year ago
@nickv11763 The only problem is that in the long run, the Mark's combination of having a Cobra 4.6L V8, RWD, and the amount of modifications that could be made to it... I'm a Riviera owner, love the car. Great daily driver, decent performance, and great fuel economy, but for a performance perspective, the Mark VIII will always win.
I still have yet to see a 600+ horsepower FWD Riviera on the internet. o.O
JarrodES13 1 year ago
@JarrodES13 that same 3.8 can pull an 8.65sec. 1/4 mile in a grand prix gtp which mind you is front wheel drive don't sleep on that motor
nickv11763 1 year ago
@nickv11763 After dumping a whole lot more money into it, and the Riviera weighs much more. I'm sure there are four cylinder Honda's that could run just as fast, but it's all a matter of how much you want to spend.
I'm not sleeping on the engine, I have one in my Riviera (3800 Series II). It's just a pure fact that modifying the Ford V8 is much more cost efficient than then 3800 Series engine.
And I know that you already posted that you're pulling on 5.0's and everything... who cares?
JarrodES13 1 year ago
@JarrodES13 it doesn't cost much to mod my gtp but the reason why i'm putting that out there is b/c a 4 door sports luxery beat a 2 door v8 sport car that is about 700lbs less lol
nickv11763 1 year ago
@nickv11763
That's not too impressive when you're talking about a car that ran mid 14's stock and only has 225 horsepower...
JarrodES13 1 year ago
@JarrodES13 a 5.0 has 225hp and over 300 ft pound's of tq and has a curb weight of only 2800lbs is rear wheel drive and is stick it should be faster then the gtp which has 240hp and 280tq with a curb weight of over 3400lbs 600lbs less have you ever heard of power to weight plus the grand prix gtp is also front wheel drive and only comes in auto, based on those stats the 5.0 should win, so what are you getting at the fact that you lack common sense
nickv11763 1 year ago
@nickv11763
The thing you're lacking is the fact that I don't care about your fanboy attitudes towards your GTP. Just because you own one and raced old Mustangs with it doesn't mean shit to me.
And the thing you forget to mention when you're talking about converting to a power-to-weight ratio is that you also have to remember the transmission set up along with the gearing. Most Fox's had pretty tall gearing from the factory.
So, honestly, just shut up dude. Seriously. No one cares.
JarrodES13 1 year ago
@JarrodES13 okay #1the word fanboy is gay end of story #2 grand prix's also have tall gears and #3 the whole point of this was just to say that the car is a great daily driver and nothing more
nickv11763 1 year ago
i want that mark8 lsc motor
zo0yoRk69 3 years ago
i have a 95 lincoln mark viii lsc with 91k love this car to death the speed style are a deadly combination the interior is beautiful but the air ride suspension is a bitch! my front air bags had a leak so the front of the car was way low to the ground to get that fixed it would cost 775 for the struts and 200 for labor at one shop, because no one else in town wanted to mess with it, so i decided to convert all four the air suspension to coil for 375 and 200 for labor ,
sundiata1985 3 years ago
dang... should have done it yourself. I did my whole kit myself and it was hands down the easiest suspension i have ever worked on. The front struts took maybe an hour for the 1st, 30 minutes for the second (since i knew how to do it now) and about 45 minutes for both of the rears. Definetly worth it to get rid of the bags though. Mine did the same thing. Leaky fuckers
grindking10000 3 years ago
lol. that's why i hate licoln. i owned a mark VII, and with the air ride suspension brakes easily, and looks like a low rider when you get out (the part the releases air is busted) i thought they fixed this,but i see mk. 8's in the parking lot with this problem all the time!
malleymyster 3 years ago
i have owned both. but i own a car lot so i get to check out all kinds of cars. in my opinion, the mark viii wins. although both cars really are awesome, i just preferred the mark viii. such class and the high intensity headlights. and the light for the ground that come off the side mirrors. i got a lot of compliments on the cars interior and exterior. again, both cars are great, but i had a black mark viii, with grey leather interior that i just loved.
bigtymer01rk 3 years ago 2
this kind of just made up my mind on what I like better. sorry mark viii.
roberto12495 3 years ago
square JK
grindking10000 3 years ago
plus everyone is like ohh my lincoln is so fast.
i live in gary, in and as bad as the potholes are here i will race you here then laugh at you as i pass you slowly when you have to get your car fixed
evilintent 3 years ago
Riviera + FWD + Styling = I'll pass big time! The Mark in my eyes has always been a nicer car and much better styled.
MassMan67 3 years ago 4
The Riviera has a slight performance advantage over the Mark stock because of its low end torque. Most people just look at hp #'s and judge a cars speed based of that. Big mistake. Not to mention the Riviera is cheaper to mod than the Mark. Looking at Mark VIII vids on here there is a guy running high 11s and has put $10K in parts alone into it. Ouch! To get the Riviera into the 11s it will cost $5K maybe $6K tops for parts. I do love both cars though.
OldsLSSL67 3 years ago
Just so the die-hard mark drivers know, the V6 that's in the riviera can and has made better than 800hp. Plenty of mod possibilities are available for both cars. I've only briefly driven a 98 LSC and own a riv. As far as I'm concerned they both suck for handling (as expected from tanks) but the riv has a better ride quality. I love the RWD but it doesn't make up for everything else. Overall both cars are definitely for people who genuinely like cars and I give cheers for all driving either one.
codithsaves 3 years ago
The lincoln'e engine has more power potential having the mustang engine. This review is biasd.
callbatman 3 years ago
my main thing i worry about is repair costs. i have been driving since 92, i have had over 15 lincolns including the mark viii and they all have had costly problems, rear seal oil leaks, suspension, etc. i have been around 4 rivs with over 150000 miles that run strong. mine has 158000 and still runs like new and i'm VERY hard on cars.
evilintent 3 years ago
Admittedly, if Lincoln had made a video about the Mark VIII that was SO incredibly biased and subjective, I'd feel better about my car for about thirty seconds. IMO, they are both great cars, but as others have said the Riv has to use a blower to keep up, handles poorly, is FWD, and has FAR fewer available mods. I believe the Linc has the advantage on performance by far, both out of the box and in terms of potential. They're both great luxo-coupes with plenty of power. Wish they made more of 'em
dgemma 3 years ago
what is wrong with fwd? i live where it snows so it is necessary
evilintent 3 years ago
The Buick has to use a blower because it has two less cylinders. Yes it's FWD and there are alot of mods to keep up with the VIII. Cams, pistons, transmissions. It's just not talked about as much as the Mark VIII because it has the Cobra motor, all the performance parts are gonna be out in the open. I had a Supercharged Riviera myself and it was fast, believe me. My cousin has a Mark VIII and we raced, he got beat by about 5 car lengths. I love the VIII but both cars aren't race cars.
BALT1024 3 years ago
Fyi the cobra block was only used in the LSC engines. Was your cousin's car still spinning its wheels while you drove off 5 car lengths ahead. The SC RIV and the LCS Mark were close at the start The 3800 riv and the 280 hp mark no contest....WORST thing Mark drivers froget to do is turn off that damb TC and hit herir accelerator too hard. I have 275's on my mark and it hooks up pretty good but they still break loose if you hit it to hard. Your cousin probably doesn't know how to race. IMOO
buickgnx3800 3 years ago
No he wasn't spinning an TC was off. We even did a rolling start from 20 mph and he still got beat by about 2 car lengths. He knows how to drive it, it's his second VIII.
BALT1024 3 years ago
The Teksid block (shared with the 96-98 Cobra)Was used in ALL Mark 8s. The claimed extra 10HP of the LSC comes from use of a true dual exhaust.
caramelkiss114 3 years ago
Uhhh youre saying your rwd lincoln that builds its power high up as has more traction issues than a fwd car? A heavy fwd no less? I doubt it.
tonewall89 3 years ago
but lincoln ALWAYS tend to break down. i have had many lincolns break down on me but my riv is still riding strong
evilintent 3 years ago
Oh well it just so happens that my uncle had a lexus, and one day when it was in the shop (cuz its a chromed toyota), he waas given a mark VIII loaner, due to parts he kept it a week, when they called to say his car was done he said keep it, he traded for the mark 8, it now has 400,000 miles and the only problem has been the air ride,LINCOLN RULES
kjfordracing55 3 years ago
yeah i had one where the air ride went out too and that cost $4000 and that car had way less miles then my riv so keep your lincoln for all i care
evilintent 3 years ago
Learn how to fix your car and it wont cost anywhere near that price maybe 700 tops to replace everything. Or you could go the cheapo way and go with the spring conversion for 350.
StaffAmerica74 3 years ago
Best engines to me
Buick 455
Ford 5.0
Ford 4.6 (TIED) Buick 3800
GM 3800
Cadilliac 425
Pontiac 389 (3 2's)
Please feel free to add more
buickgnx3800 4 years ago
You don't think that the Cadillac 500 or 472 is a good engine? Personally, I love them. Both make about 500 lb-ft of torque stock, and almost 300HP stock. They're about the size of a SBC 350, but make substantially more power. Then again, I'm biased because I own one....
crezzyman 4 years ago
Hey I put the cadillac four and a quarter on there!
buickgnx3800 4 years ago
True, but personally I think that the 500ci Cadillac motor is engineered better. I also like it because it makes more power.... Did you know that you can put 425 heads on a 500? Interesting isn't it? :)
crezzyman 4 years ago
the vortec 4200 i-6, 275hp 275 tq.
the engine has won many awards.
it's the atlas LL8
gearhead291 3 years ago
Jaguar (actually Ford) 3.9 V8
lolinternets1 3 years ago
I own both,I am lucky I know,Mark viii is better!FLAT OUT!Don't get me wrong the buick is great too!I have 2 97 lsc mark viii's,and a 95 SC Riv.I wish the Buick was rear wheel drive.The Mark is slower on the take off but wipes the doors off on the high end.The mark viii is more comfortabe for the driver.The mark viii is a prettier car(I think)but the riv is not that far behind.I hate Ford and Buick for not making these cars anymore.I will only drive AMERICAN cars and these reached out to me.
buickgnx3800 4 years ago 2
Thanks for posting. I've had my 1997 Riviera for almost 8 years. If there is a club or online forum for this generation of Rivieras I would appreciate hearing about it.
chrisgreen67 4 years ago
First off put a Mark VIII ***LSC*** against the supercharged Buick. Next, drive both cars on the TRACK. The Mark will kick the Riv's ass. Lincoln is a Luxery Sport Coupe, built for spirited driving, not carting a family of six to Sunday church, or to go four wheeling through potholes. How about sound systems? Ford's JBL blows GM's Bose (blows) garbage out of the water. Styling? The Buick puts me to sleep. How about showing an LSC with the chrome directional rims, and blacked out trim?
slipninja 4 years ago 10
Actually I have done that. I have a '96 supercharged Rivera and my cousin has a '97 lsc. Everytime we race from a stop he has nothing for me. Highway it's about dead even.
BALT1024 4 years ago
@slipninja You are so right. The guys that did this video were definitely paid off by Buick to say good things about the Riviera and bash The Mark VIII. Lincoln rules all. I have been looking for one of these for months and can't find one. The ride is like floating on a cloud and fast as hell. LOVE IT! Great comment.
mikerules666 1 year ago
I pullied my 99 and hogged out the air intake with a dental hand piece. In my opinion it runs very close to the couple of Mk VIIIs I have driven. BTW I owned a 96 Cobra with DOHC 4.6L, sweet motor. Rivi is hands down a nicer ride.
SLPRLS2V 4 years ago
put them on the line. thats the only way to find out which is better
AngelsfuckDevilskiss 4 years ago
Im sure that the riviera people never heard of the Mark VIII Tasca SuperMark. Came from the factory with a supercharger (and im told was built by the SVT divison). Plans were made to sell it as a high end performance car for lincoln but was axed by ford for cost reasons. 450hp came out of that car. don't see a V6 make that do you..
Mark7lincoln 4 years ago
Never heard of it 'cuz it never was a production model. Just a mod car by a dealership. BTW...Does the M VIII get 30 mpg hwy like the SC Riv does?
97RivJon 4 years ago
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Don't worry, that bitch started talking his shit to me too about the Mark VIII. Wasted effort trying to talk to the idiot. Besides, which car was made longer? Hmm, not the Mark VIII...
Shintsu2 4 years ago
Dude my riv's ass eats ass on gas. I love the car but it is no match for the Mark. I think I just hate FWD. Drive a mark....better yet own a mark and then compare.
buickgnx3800 3 years ago
yeah didn't they make 1 (ONE)?
CeeStyleDj 4 years ago
@Mark7lincoln zzp has a 750hp grand prix gtp with the same 3.8L V6 that's in the riviera, it pulls an 8.6sec 1/4 mile and the thing thats funny is it has nowhere near the aftermarket support in terms of how many companies make parts for it as the Mark VIII motor does b/c if it did it would be even faster
nickv11763 1 year ago
@nickv11763
Hence why it's more cost effective to build a Ford fox bodied car...
And I never said anything against the ability of a GTP or any other 3800 Series-powered vehicles. They drive great. That's why I have my Riviera, it has sufficient power and drivers very nicely. All I've been saying this whole time is that it will always cost more to modify these cars over the Ford vehicles just because of the simple fact no one makes any parts for them and it costs too much.
JarrodES13 1 year ago
@JarrodES13 zzp and intenseracing make pretty cheap parts for the car
nickv11763 1 year ago
@nickv11763
That's not a generic statement at all...
JarrodES13 1 year ago
You can't beat the supercharged boost off the line and its alot bigger inside. The Mark is like a tank but why so cramped inside? Plus The Riv was less money and is still a flagship model.
CeeStyleDj 4 years ago
So let's supercharge the Mark VIII up to, oh, say 400 hp and reshoot this OBVIOUSLY BUICK ENDORSED video eh? Give the Buick a supercharger advantage over the Mark and the Mark STILL has more STOCK horsepower... Yeah, it's pretty obvious who made this infomercial.
ghaleon64 4 years ago
Have to give credit for the facts posted here in the video, but the information that I see lacking is what grabs my attention. Where is the 0-60 times, and head to head customer evaluations?.. Yes, supercharger comes close, but when does close count as a 'win' or 'advatage' if you don't have it forget it. F.Y.I Mark VIII's are really able for high mods with the 350+ hp and more, not to mention bolt on superchargers that don't cost much to begin with. Hands down still mark 8!
Mark7lincoln 4 years ago
The 3800 Series II L67 Supercharged market is high. Tons of websites for parts on this engine. and who else can add 20 hp for 40 bucks? just switch to a smaller pulley. But that's not even the half of the mods available for very low cost.
CeeStyleDj 4 years ago
True.. but have you seen how much you can do with the 4.6L V8 in the lincoln?.. hmm I can get a compleate performance pully system for mark 8 for around $50, and wow I can tricks to the computer/engine tricks for added power for free to.
Mark7lincoln 4 years ago
Same with the Riv and The smaller pully on the supercharger will give you a better advantage then under under drive pulley. anywhere from 15-30 hp for 40 bucks. Both ths cars have lots of mods available but I see that some 4.6L stuff runs pretty high.
CeeStyleDj 4 years ago
they did give the performance edge to the mark 8... the 0-60 times are very close for these two cars , both doing in about 7-7.5 seconds. the mark im sure has a bit more up top power... besides the riv sold for less and has a much higher resale value than the mark 8. plus if u were to buy new and mod you'd be thousands ahead if u bought the riv.
tonewall89 4 years ago
The video was most likely made for Buick salesmen; to give them talking points.
shagdrum 3 years ago
notice the riv has to super charge its engine to even begin to keep up with the mark..
Rightbrotha 4 years ago
The Riv has a v-6... it's impressive power for 1997. Ford had to use a V-8
CeeStyleDj 4 years ago
Still had to use a super charger to begin to keep up.
Rightbrotha 4 years ago
Did you read? The Riv has a v-6, The Lincoln a v-8.
CeeStyleDj 4 years ago
Comparing a supercharged V6 to an N/A V8 is apples and oranges; hardly a fair comparison and a fallacious argument. Look at both engines in their N/A form and compare HP per cubic inch. That would be a fair comparison of the engines.
shagdrum 3 years ago
Riv is better anyways. They can be heavily modified and have well over 350+ hp on stock internals. Riv is also WAY more comfortable. I am from germany and own a '98 Rivera.
Wxxers81 4 years ago
Holy Schiet a german who doesn't say get a JETTA! I wish GM and Lincoln would get their heads on straight and put out 2 door luxury coupes again.
buickgnx3800 3 years ago
The 4.6 DOHC in the Mark can RELIABLY handle up to 500 hp on stock internals. The block alone can handle 1000 hp (maybe more).
shagdrum 3 years ago 3
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Theres people running 8s on stock 3800 internals.
tonewall89 3 years ago
no..... there isnt.
grindking10000 3 years ago 4
I`d take a Mark 8 anyday over the FWD Riviera!
adm7007 4 years ago
i agree i think the mark VIII has better style too