Disgusting the depths religious conservatives will sink to in order to spread their lies, fairytales and propaganda. Truly horrendous. And scary. They won't stop until there's a Christian theocracy. Fight them on every level, at every turn, and tell them to get their ignorant noses out of your children's education.
Tell them to go fuck themselves, basically.
Oh, and give them each a copy of the Constitution. Not one of those ignorant bastards has read it.
Like the song says. "God bless Texas!" The truth is God created the world. The truth is this country was founded on Christian principles. Truth is freedom of religion means religion is free from government influence not the government is free from religious influence. I know because I study law at Regent Law School, one of the best evangelical law schools in the world.
@Dinah4life You are 100% fucking deluded. Just because your pathetic evangelical school tells you the country was founded on Christian values, doesn't make it true. The Constitution diagrees. Try fucking reading it. Freedom of religion means everyone is free to follow whatever religion they want and no single religion can be endorsed by government OR made into law. EVERYBODY knows that. Apart from people who attend evangelical law schools, apparently.
I'm still pissed off about the bullshit i was taught about the civil war back in grade school! ... and this sort of thing coming out of Texas? not supprising at all really.
Is there anything that can be done to stop this? Even if it means we have to teach our children the real history ourselves, surely there's something that can be done...
@JawsJaws News flash most professors are older, as is most of my family. Guess what they are liberal too, Maybe you should liston to other poeple besides fox news!
@KillerBee256 funny are you trying to say fox news is liberal?i agree most professors are liberal and most of them are filling the kids heads with unfounded facts and personal views,so who should we be more concerned with telling the truth.fact is text books are filled only with what the government wants us to know,half truths and then liberal ideas.paul revere for example ,he is famous for his ride.what was left out was he wasn`t riding alone a black man rode the other direction
@KillerBee256 the difference is i`m not projecting it has already happened with are text books but in college professor express their opinions as fact when they are merely their views.religion should stay out of school,but hey lets teach them the true based on history and facts not personal views or beliefs
@DOUBAUM1 I have a very hard time given your lack of command of the written word that you have any idea what a college professor has ever said, and there were three riders on the night of April 14th 1775, and not one was black. Not that it matters what colour they were, what matters is the accuracy of the statement.
@skweakykitty well you made my point for me kitty.apparently the book your reading is wrong .there was a black man that rode that night.just because i lack good grammar has nothing to do with the true.nakalimutan mo na ako.
Dinosaur bones were obviously put on the Earth by God to test the faith of humanity derp.
God obviously exists because we have the bible herp derp.
If we evolved from monkeys then why do we still have monkeys!? Evolution are dumb and makes no sense teh bible is word the of the God proof enough 4 me tum ti tiddly tum de derp.
@Swizzik lol Good, that was the point. Believe it or not, those are all actual rebuttals I've picked up from various different theists over the years. It's astounding how moronic people still are in this day and age. Also, I figured the "herps" and "derps" would be apparent enough of my sarcasm in my previous post.
@TheLegendOfRandy oh okay then. But seriously they should teach evolution because if they teach creationism they would be left out of what every other country in the world is teaching and be disadvantaged later in life.
Letting government run the education system is failure to start with. Let children choose what they want to learn instead of everyone having the same books, class, time to be there, etc.. Look at the cuts they are making on colleges due to inflation...
Teachers are usually liberal brainwashers to kids. They try to pursuade kids into voting the way they do. The older you get, the more conservative you get. Older=wiser.
"Theology: The field of study and analysis of make believe; for the purpose of spinning reality to conform to the human imagination so the control of others can be achieved". -Scott Tebben
Yeah! Ted Kennedy should have been mentioned as the Senator who got away with murder. He shoudl have been in prison, but instead he was another deviant Democrat. Also the history books should show that Obama was the first Muslim Communist (his own words)President.
There is science to support creationism. It's not just a religious issue. Belief that we're here by chance and macro-evolution are just as much a faith as creation. Both sides should have the opportunity to present and rebut each other's scientific arguments. Read my Internet articles: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM, ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
@Mogley52 there's no way in hell you can possibly teach creationism. explain how? and explain how forensic science refutes atheism. stop utilizing your first amendment right, please.
@Mogley52 There is ZERO evidence for creationism, therefore there's zero science to support it. There is no single, reputable scientist in the world who will tell you about or actually show you evidence to support creationism. Creationism, whether its Christian or Hindu or Celtic, is mythology. Every culture had its own creation story. Then science unveiled the truth.
The creationists have no evidence, therefore their ideas don't belong in the science classroom. End of story.
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their reproductive system and other vital organs hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
Creationism may or may not be fictional, but the "Islam is peace" narrative that liberals are teaching our children is absolutely, unequivocally fiction. Of course, TYT has no problem with the dissemination of THIS lie.
America was FOUNDED on Christian principals. When were men created? How far back can you trace human history? Eviloution is a LIE! If we evolved where's the documentation? Did it happen all at one time, in a blink of an eye? Nobody witnessed this transformation from monkeys (hehehe) to humans. It kinda funny how nobody knew this till darwin made it up. Goes to show just how STUPID people can be. Hmm...NOBODY KNEW THIS UNTIL darwin MADE IT UP. Who turns on your pc's for you everyday? IDIOTS!!
@DrThrashenstein Nobody knew about Jesus until it was made up. Did you know that the written word is a recent phenomenon? Most history was transmitted through tales orally. There are a lot of languages that do not possess an alphabet or writing system today. Well, there are the depictions in cave's walls in France and Spain that date at least 50,000 years. There is no mention of a great flood or a burning bush. There are just some humanoids hunting bison and other now extinct European animals.
@CanalOmega*****Well, Jesus wasn't made up he actually walked the earth. Other religions acknowledge his existance not just Christianity. The earth hasn't been around for 50k years and theres no proof to back it up unlike proof of a global flood. Dont you see that eviloution is a fraud? What type of monkey or fish or maggot did we evolve from? Where's the link? You gotta do better than scribblings on a cave wall. Every argument you have I'll debunk it for you.
@DrThrashenstein So you acknowledge this Jesus was one more reincarnations of Shiva or Isis or Buddha. The Grand Canyon does not prove any great flood. Furthermore, how come there are Asians, Blacks, Hindus, etc with distinct characteristics and culture? If humanity was the product of incest, wouldn't there be very pronounced similarities among all humans? What type of soil is humanity made of and how can you prove it (outside the bible of course)? Remember in Genesis there is only two ppl.
@CanalOmega HAHAHAHA...NO! Reincarnation is a fable just like eviloution, made up by people for people who dont wanna be accountable for their sins. And if you look closely we are similar. When a dog has a litter they have brown, black & white pups right. Type of soil or dust? I dont know what the flavor was but its still here just take a look outside its been here longer than 150 yrs, theres actual proof of it, unlike the monkey boy theory. Maybe darwin looked like a monkey & thats why he......
@DrThrashenstein you have not answered the question and keep saying that there is proof. Please give it to me. What did you mean by recognized by other religions then? I have never knew of a Danish having a black child or an African having a Japanese. How many chihuahuas give birth to golden retrievers? What is the research method you were taught to find how things work in the universe? How do you quantify something or under which criteria data becomes relevant? please tell.
@CanalOmega HAH dont listen to that idiot. If he read genesis in the original native hebrew it was written in, he'd see it talked about evolution. He's just another church sheeple. There is a God, but he's not religious. We killed him because he spoke against religion and said things so raw and true we could not handle it. That's right young man. Evolution is evidence of intelligent design. Does this anger you?
@SupremeAmerican Why should I get angry? again, am I a lunatic? There are thousands of creation stories all around the world. Why a particular one would be above the rest? What is the quantitative method used to say that genesis is true but not what the native americans say or what the hindus say or the greeks or the romans. Faith and miracles are not relevant since Zeus and Venus also performed them. By the way, Jesus was killed because he was a liberal. He went against the establishment, lol.
@CanalOmega The quantitative method used to support genesis just so happens to be science. And nobody is saying anything else is wrong, that's your own bigoted delusional addition to the concept at hand.
@SupremeAmerican Please refer me to the research you implicitly say there is, and please let it be a nonpartisan, peer reviewed source. Okay, so you accept that Hindu scripture has the same validity as your own world view. You accept the notion that the world was created by Chronos. I like how you insult people's opposite views, very classy. I guess you win every time. I should use perverted, bigoted, delusional, shit your whatnot more often to win arguments that way to ;)
@CanalOmega Jesus was not a communistic liberal, he was a genuine liberator. He did not partake in this modern day perversion of the word liberal. He spoke against a one world government, he did not push one.
@SupremeAmerican What is communistic? is it like decider or nucular? If you read Revelations, it says that when Jesus comes back he's going to wipe all countries and kingdoms and create a 1000 year reign where he is the only sovereign. If that is not a world government what is? When he says that it is easier for a camel to fit in the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom what is he talking about? When he says to the young man to leave everything what does it mean?
@CanalOmega Rofl you are desperate. Yes revelations says that. But it also says that mankind will create a one world government, and it will be evil and corrupt. Quit being such a sissy girl and get your facts straight.
@SupremeAmerican Desperate? in my view a world government is a world government. It infringes my personal freedoms. Who is the bigoted, sexist person here? Have I called you a redneck, brainwashed, fascist, propagandist moron at any point in our conversation? No, why? Because it does not help my argument; it makes it less relevant. Haven't "they" taught you that attacking an opponent's persona instead of the ideas makes your argument weaker and less credible? You don't even know me, lol.
@CanalOmega*****WOW what do I gotta do put puppets on my hands and explain it to you in a puppet video?
Muslims believe in Jesus and they WONT deny him walking the earth along with other religions. Lets take your dna and match it up with an ancestor of yours from 4000 years ago and see what the results will be. Did you ever hear of anyone finding out that their great great great grandfather was black yet he is white as snow?
C'mon, do some research before talking so foolish.
@DrThrashenstein Muslims, Jews and Christians are what is known in academia as the "Abrahamic" religions because they share the same historic origin. Buddhist or Hindus or Shinto which are from a different historical root do not share the same views. Plus, you don't even know how reincarnation works. As for the DNA test, yes, all humans share a common ancestor at some point. DNA shows that humanity began in Africa and began to migrate out.
@CanalOmega*****hindus, buddhists & satanists ALL believe that Jesus walked the earth. hindus even believe that Jesus walked to india to learn yoga LOL!! The dalai lama even believes in Jesus. I'm shocked you didn't know that, you seem intelligent just mislead. FYI reincarnation DONT work & I understand the whole concept & folly of it & I think its as silly as the tooth fairy even though the tooth fairy story took a little more effort & is more believable.
@DrThrashenstein Buddhist: reincarnation of Buddha; Hindus:Reincarnation of Shiva. Not a savior, but a reincarnation. So you knew if you did bad deeds on this live you would pay them on the next and if you did good on that life you would be then rewarded on the next(Dharma=good, Karma=bad). Each culture shape their beliefs according to what suits them. For Whites, Liberation theology is bad whereas they accept the prosperity doctrine which is intrinsically non-Christian.
@CanalOmega*****Ya know, everybody who tells me that there's no God I give em a task that they NEVER do cuz their to scared to. Get yourself a ouija board & 8 black candles but not a toys r us board you can get a real one online or make your own. Put a candle on each corner & side & light em up. Now call out for some demons, you can find out their names online, start taunting them & tell em their weak & going to hell & call em degrading names. They might not come right away but they will.
@DrThrashenstein I've been there and its all psychological. Its is a predisposition phenomenon of a perceived danger that is not there. What used to be "demonic" possessions is now known as schizophrenia or in some cases addiction to crack or other drugs that makes the individual wreckless and overly strong. It is fear of the unknown feed by culture and environment.
@CanalOmega*****I used to be a satanist. I started getting into it when I was 15. Some guys I met in high school were into it big time & me wanting to hang out with the people I had the most in common with, long hair, white skin, heavy metal & smoking weed. Where I grew up there were very few white people so I chose this group instead of the "nerds" lol. I seen & felt some FREAKY s**t that made me tremble. When I was getting away from that crap it started getting worse. I'll msg u if u want me 2
@DrThrashenstein Loneliness can make a person hang out with the wrong crowd and I am glad you are out of those bad influences. However, anything outside the realm of Christianity or an opinion that differs from that particular social view is not by definition inherently evil. Science by its nature is neutral and based on empirical proof. Hypothesis can be null or change because the nature of science is elastic and self correcting. It is not absolute nor carry dogmatic symbolism Only rule noharm
@DrThrashenstein We can have a chat, but my perspective is clear. All natural explanations for phenomena have to be explore before drawing any conclusions. Faith is a good thing to heal personal problems but it becomes a problem if a particular group wants to impose its views in the entire world. That is where things take a turn on my view.
christianity is an insult to human intelligence and should vanish forever. How many many millions of lives have you ruined or just ended during the last 2000 years? There is no room for your bronze age bullshit in the twenty-first century. You have nothing to contribute to MODERN society. Damn mindless barbarians
Right Wing, Left Wing. Who is the Body in the Middle? They are all work for the same people; they are fooling the people by giving them sides to choose like in a FootBall Game, you need to pick a side or why watch the Game.
@livin4jesus0225 That is simply not true because faith and belief are inseparable from world view. In your argument is this truth, churches believing in nothing have no redeeming value.
I've never been proud of being born in Texas, I'm glad that I didn't grow up there and feel sorry for anyone who was (is) a victim of the Texas "education" system.
The only thing great about Texas is that the keep it in the south.
Christians aren't all bad. About 10% of them have strange beliefs contrary to ones taught in common churches. I think many people claim to be Christian just so they can manipulate people and blame it on God/Jesus/etc. I really don't know why though... =(
Fundamental Christians are not the ones rewriting history. Evolution cannot stand under its own argument of irreducible complexity. Science, claiming to know nothing and leaning for support of an hypothesis on reproducible experiments shows itself for the lie and actual religion it is. How has the experiment been successfully carried out with predicted verifying results one time? Not one time is there evidence or data to support the theory. Not one, talking about accepting something on faith.
@draphaelc Except there is overwhelming amount of proof out there. But sure, if you want to put fingers in ears and go "lah lah lah, I dont hear anything", then so be it.
@MarvelousGeorge In Evolution and Ecology class, skull models were presented to illustrate what was being proposed. I asked if the little small white piece was all that was missing. Professor responded, no, that is all that was found. similar story for the other skull models. Pretty good filling in the blanks, don't you think? Another thing I took away fro, the class was how many missing links were later revealed to be hoaxes. There is a real lack of integrity in what masquerades as academia.
@draphaelc - So the lesson you learnt from the Piltdown man hoax was that academia lacks integrity? - even though 'academia' was responsible for bringing the hoax to light?
Your 'thinking' seems to go something like this...
1. The Piltdown man was a hoax by an 'academic' (actually just an amateur archaeologist).
2. Therefore all 'academia' lacks integrity. (ie. all scientists lack integrity.)
3. Therefore we can't trust what scientists tell us.
@shumble32 Is that supposed to be a defense by example? I didn't specifically mention that particular hoax. Hoaxes are not isolated instances in purported academia are they? It appears you are attempting to shift blame by changing the argument. True science has no need of defense and is not reinforced by use of fallacious argument to label doubters as demented. This is a tactic common with deliberate deceivers.
True - you didn't specifically mention that particular hoax - true, you did fail to provide a specific example. But is there any reason why I couldn't to illustrate the fallacy of your argument?
To generalise from such a rare cases of scientific hoaxes is a tactic common with deliberate deceivers (and also lacks integrity)
@draphaelc Ted Haggard lied about his sexual orientation and did drugs with a male prostitute therefore all ministers are drug addict, closeted gays? A bunch of priest molested boys therefore all priests are pedophiles?I can go on and on about this. hopefully you understand that the fault of one does not translate into transgression by the whole organization. Also, since science is not based on "revelation" it can be fixed time and time again if needed. It is the beauty of it; self check is gr8
So just because science doesn't know (or claim to know) all the answers - you think that means evolution is wrong and therefore the rival 'old man in a nightshirt living in the clouds' theory is correct?
So does religion have all the answers? Or are the difficult questions often dismissed with the classic cop out of "god moves in mysterious ways".
@draphaelc - Science doesn't fear alternate 'views', because science isn't a view - science is a method.
In particular a method used to reveal the truth. The only alternative to this would be a method to hide the truth - superstition and lies spring to mind.
Religion fears science for the same reason that a criminal fears a detective
To finish my post below... and the result of their persuasive agruments was that the words God, Jesus, Creator, Bible, Christian, etc... are absent from the constitution and bill of rights. No higher power other than "we the people" is cited. only discrepency is that the date is given "in the year of our Lord..." however that just signifies belief in a Creator/God of the universe and cannot be used to say the USA was founded on christianity. Truth is unfound when not all sides are explored.
the majority of the founder fathers were christians, FACT. HOWEVER, a minority among them were deists & unitarians, and that minority consists largely of the more famous founding fathers know by all americans. In stating a father's religious view the context of time is important, ex. James Madison was raised calvinist, eventually became a unitarian or deist. The fore-mentioned minority are the ones who really worked hard to convence the chirstian majority that secularism was the best way to go.
@findthelight2000 The planet Earth may not be human beings first home. Meaning that even if humans did evolve, they may not have done it here, which could explain why there's missing evidence of Human evolution. We may have been placed here or genitically crossed with more primitive life already on Earth. Again explaining the gap in the evo theory.
@findthelight2000 Who made the aliens you ask? Maybe God if there is one I don't know lol. But the evolution theory has too many holes in it as far as humans go. Darwin had the assumtion that at some point the missing link would be found, but it wasn't, and if it were going to be found it would have been by now. I know that evolution has it's role, but I don't believe humans evolved from apes, they may have shared a common ancestor possibly. But I think alien intervengence may be the case.
@findthelight2000 And btw, I'm agnostic not atheist... So after alien intervengence, I would take religions account of human creation before evolution.
@findthelight2000 And how is it that I'm arguing with myself? Since you were non specific I'll just say, read my posts closer. I'm simply saying that Life couldn't have happened by chance. There had to be a designer I believe, whether it's God or Aliens or whatever I don't know. (I lean towards aliens myself lol). As for religion in school text books I don't want it part of the normal curriculum, but like I said if they wanted to offer students a class with that option, fine. Clear things up?
@findthelight2000 Public school text books should not reference God. If you want God referenced in text books you go to a religous school. Do you hear school or science referenced in the bible? Although I'm not agaisnt a public school offering an elective class that would allow ideas and discussions that referenced God based on an academic subject like science. I hold the notion that science and religion can live together even though I am agonstic.
@animals0feel1pain2 No matter how life happened, if it was this way or that way it still couldn't have happened randomly. Too much had to happen. Every complex thing that we have today is by design none of them could have happened on their own, buildings, cars, homes, ect. anything you name it, couldn't have happened randomly. And life, even primitive life is so much more complex than those things, it even more so it had to be by design.
@animals0feel1pain2 Amino acids may form under those contitons. But for enough amino acids to come together in a precise order to form even a simple protein (any other order would have meant nothing biologically) would have the same chance as dumping scabble letters on a table over and over waiting for them compose a meaning full sentance. It's been proven that amino acids do not chemically attract each other in any meaningful order. lightning and volcanos or not.
Many scientists these days are shifting to intelligent design. Realizing now that the amino acids that form together to form proteins could not have happened by chance. That it would have taken DNA to form even the first life. Amino acids form strings that fold up a certain way according to the instrutions from the DNA to form proteins. Proving that DNA has to exist before life can occur as it is the blueprint for even the first cell, thus intelligent design. I didn't say the designer was god.
By the way, the Urey-Miller experiments forty years ago showed how amino acids could form under the conditions present in the early Earth via electricity from lightning, heat from volcanoes, and the elements that were present in the oceans of that time. In fact, those vials were re-opened a few years ago and they were surprised to see some forty amino acids in them, which is about twenty more than the number of amino acids present in our bodies right now.
Rewriting all the lies in shitty textbooks with shit-rate "scholars" that do no research on their own, they just reference other textbooks and write their own with copied information. How DARE they not conform to the leftist agenda!
Don't forget that a large percentage of people in the US don't know that the earth revolves around the sun and that it takes a year to do it. We have problems if people don't even know that a year is characterized by exactly that fact.
I'm not surprised. It is typical these days that people who find just about any way direct, or indirect, to make fun of anyone who believes in God, would also find a way to try and make Christians look like they were out to cause trouble, and make it even worse by adding 'implied' and 'made-up' comments and detractions than can be equally obvious as either fictitious, unethically motivated, or both. So what you end up with, is some true 'in a way' implied ideas that are deceptive and pure lies.
@olympicsnow "find a way to try and make Christians look like they were out to cause trouble"
This is like Nazis complaining about being bombed by Allied planes during WWII. It was the Christians who decided to start a "Culture War," and now all they do is whine about the push-back? Fundamentalist Christianity presents itself as militant ignorance, and that observation is neither fictitious nor unethically motivated (whatever that means).
@olympicsnow "It is typical these days that people who find just about any way direct, or indirect, to make fun of anyone who believes in God"
That is usually not the intention, but just how many Christian Fundamentalists perceive it. The fact remains..., if you had never thrown the first punch we wouldn't have to retaliate.
im from Texas and the only thing in any of my history text books in school about the enlightened thinkers was one paragraph that was extremely vague. pretty fucked up that everyone says that this country was founded on Christian values when most of the most important founding fathers were deists.
@dbzman1985 Look up the word "apocryphal". Quotes from a discredited third-party source are not "quotes" at all, and are essentially meaningless -- much like many of your arguments.
The ignorant bigots on the TX SBOE who voted to remove Jefferson from the curriculum on Enlightenment thinkers who influenced revolutionary movements after 1750 and to replace him with John provide a case in point. John Calvin was an authoritarian Protestant preacher in Geneva who in 1553 presided over the beheading of Jacques Gruet and having Michael Servetus burnt alive at the stake, both for heresy. How is Johyn Calvin a more authentic example of free thought than Thomas Jefferson?"
If, as the Fundamentalist Christian zealots insist, the Founding Fathers were all Bible-thumping Christians intent on establishing a "Christian" nation, then why is religion mentioned nowhere in the Constitution except in exclusionary terms? The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once.
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There is more evidence to support the contention that the Founding Fathers intended America to be a pagan nation than a Christian one.
@WolverineDeus Hopping over other real arguments to be made for retaining God in our knowledge as a nation, the key to true liberty is largely the recognition of our inalienable rights. Inalienable by definition means God-given. Without the acceptance of the Creator and the absolute values contained in that recognition founded in Judao Christian tradition, the sanctity of those rights and the very definition of those rights fade.
"Inalienable by definition means God-given" - not if you get your definitions from a dictionary.
You are guilty of 'baring false witness' - which transgresses one of the those 'absolute values' you pompously and erroneously, think Christianity has a monopoly of.
@dbzman1985 There is no proof that Hitler actually said anything that is quoted in "Hitler's Tabletalk," which is apocryphal hearsay produced by one of Hitler's secretaries in return for immunity from war crimes prosecution immediately after WWII. What Hitler DID repeatedly say, in his speeches and writings which are a matter of historical record, was that he was a devout and committed Christian. For some reasons, this makes many Christians uncomfortable....
That's terrible to hear, I have friends in Texas that are very intelligent! (For one, they don't believe that dinosaurs and humans lived together, they aren't afraid to challenge others!)
@dbzman1985 "Hitler's Tabletalk" is apocryphal hearsay composed by one of Hitler's former secretaries in a trade-off for immunity from prosecution for war crimes by the Allies immediately after WWII. It was published by the British government and has no credibility as an authentic historical document or as a legitimate historical source for actual quotes of Adolf Hitler.
So much of what's wrong with America comes down to its continued, widespread religious fanaticism. If it could be discredited to the extent that it should be, and consigned to the history (not science!) books where it belongs, the country would be much richer intellectually, politics and social policy more rational; not to mention that it would be less of a global laughing stock! Teaching kids that creationism has even a shred of validity amounts to teaching them that the Earth is flat.
@wastospace The evidence present in the ever increasingly Godless anti-christian state of America suggests the exact opposite of your argument. If you rightly define mock science and secularism for the destructive dehumanizing religion it is and argue against this real threat to America, you will approach truth.
I just want to state that in the quran it acknowledges that human beings are not the 1st creation, it aknowledges that the earth has been here for millions of years and that over creations such as the dinosaurs were here 1st, that's a fact, dinosaurs roamed the earth YEARS before we did, we wouldn't of been able to co exist with large meat eating and even large plant eating animals.....the bible on the other hand tries to go against this....absolutely crazy.
The state should not establish a religion, but I think they should still teach it in school. Not just Christianity, but Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, and Confucianism as well. Basically, just add in a theology class to the curriculum. But keep science and religion separate, please!!!
@NonPointRulz101 I'm a Mississippian, and I say that any Southerner who lets liberal propaganda make them feel bad because men like Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, and Nathan Forrest defended their families and their states from an overbearing, tyrannical government the same as George Washington did is a bigger embarrassment than any Yankee ever could be.
@WN4723 What you may call "liberal propaganda" is what the rest of the United States and indeed the world would call "historical fact".
You won't hear someone from Germany calling the Civil War the "War of Northern Aggression" because they didn't grow up being taught an alternate version of history from what the rest of the world considers "fact".
If anyone has been affected by propaganda, its you. And your close-minded knee-jerk reaction is a big indicator of that.
@dbzman1985 Hitler wasn't a creationist dummy. He was a Darwinist and believed in an Aryan Jesus. He was an idiot but he didn't believe in creationism. Stop making shit up.
Also you are wrong about the Jeffersonian Bible, he ripped out the parts concerning divinity as he had a healthy hate for the divine right of kings.
the founding fathers did intend this to be a chirstain nation, and say so in a treaty to a barber state in 1790's, and if it was, why do we have a frist admendment that says we have religous freedom? fact is that yes, many radical and non radical christains came to america, they saw the religous wars happening in europe, wanted none of that here, so they made this secular laws and consitution to prevent that, which these revisionist radical hristain bigots want to rewrite and say its not ture!
@AstronomyGuru1 I certainly believe that had it not been for religion holding us back, we would be far more technologically & medically advanced, and have a far greater understanding of the universe & life.
@AstronomyGuru1 Just a thought: There have been various studies (including those done by religious organisations) that have shown that societies are worse off 'when they have God on their side'. i.e. Religious belief can cause damage to a society, contributing towards high murder rates, sexual promiscuity and suicide.
I cannot believe how they are allowed to get away with this. Evolution, is a known factual theory and has been for a very long time. They just object to their religious beliefs being questioned. I believe this will have a severe impact on the recruitment & development of future scientists in the US. Also, to change the history of the US is outrageous. By the way I am from the UK and even I can see this. This is a huge step backwards in terms of respect of America and all that it stands for.
@Ragitsu Then I have to tell you that you do not know the definition of the word 'theory' when used in the scientific community. It does not mean that it is 'only an idea or simply a guess'.
@Ragitsu While theories in the arts and philosophy may address ideas and are not easily observable, in modern science the term "theory", or "scientific theory" is understood to refer to an explanation of empirical phenomena, made in a way consistent with the scientific method. In other words, regarding evolution, it is a theory based on known facts that have been peer reviewed by a great number of other scientists. It is also a theory which is verifiable (testable).
In addition to being a theory, it also comes from humans, and time and time again, humans have been proven to be full of flawed information. Therefore, I am not so quick to jump on the side of anyone, when it comes to the very origin of our people.
Oh, and some scientific people can get pretty fanatic in their ways...not unlike certain religious extremists.
@Ragitsu In addition to being a theory? It seems you not accept my comment on the use of the word in the scientific community. I suggest you look it up for yourself in a dictionary or wiki, or just google "what is the difference between theory and scientific theory".
@Ragitsu You are correct not to jump on the side of anyone, do the research for yourself, using the sources of each of the opposing sides. When you say "origin of our people" I assume you mean the origin of our species & not the origin of life. The origin of species is evolution, whereas the origin of life is abiogenesis. You are right of course when you say some scientists can get pretty fanatical, though mainly when they see known facts are being portrade as lies or misrepresented.
Disgusting the depths religious conservatives will sink to in order to spread their lies, fairytales and propaganda. Truly horrendous. And scary. They won't stop until there's a Christian theocracy. Fight them on every level, at every turn, and tell them to get their ignorant noses out of your children's education.
Tell them to go fuck themselves, basically.
Oh, and give them each a copy of the Constitution. Not one of those ignorant bastards has read it.
leizuoer 2 days ago
Like the song says. "God bless Texas!" The truth is God created the world. The truth is this country was founded on Christian principles. Truth is freedom of religion means religion is free from government influence not the government is free from religious influence. I know because I study law at Regent Law School, one of the best evangelical law schools in the world.
Dinah4life 5 days ago
@Dinah4life You are 100% fucking deluded. Just because your pathetic evangelical school tells you the country was founded on Christian values, doesn't make it true. The Constitution diagrees. Try fucking reading it. Freedom of religion means everyone is free to follow whatever religion they want and no single religion can be endorsed by government OR made into law. EVERYBODY knows that. Apart from people who attend evangelical law schools, apparently.
leizuoer 2 days ago
I'm still pissed off about the bullshit i was taught about the civil war back in grade school! ... and this sort of thing coming out of Texas? not supprising at all really.
26yearstoorion 3 weeks ago
This is an excuse to re-label sectarian propaganda as 'history'. Just ghastly.
jrcadet4 1 month ago
Is there anything that can be done to stop this? Even if it means we have to teach our children the real history ourselves, surely there's something that can be done...
R0ckG1r7 1 month ago
@JawsJaws News flash most professors are older, as is most of my family. Guess what they are liberal too, Maybe you should liston to other poeple besides fox news!
KillerBee256 2 months ago
@KillerBee256 funny are you trying to say fox news is liberal?i agree most professors are liberal and most of them are filling the kids heads with unfounded facts and personal views,so who should we be more concerned with telling the truth.fact is text books are filled only with what the government wants us to know,half truths and then liberal ideas.paul revere for example ,he is famous for his ride.what was left out was he wasn`t riding alone a black man rode the other direction
DOUBAUM1 2 months ago
@DOUBAUM1 As cent would say, you're projecting, you are paranoid that "liberals" are doing what the christain right is doing, fyi we aren't.
KillerBee256 2 months ago
@KillerBee256 the difference is i`m not projecting it has already happened with are text books but in college professor express their opinions as fact when they are merely their views.religion should stay out of school,but hey lets teach them the true based on history and facts not personal views or beliefs
DOUBAUM1 2 months ago
@DOUBAUM1 I have a very hard time given your lack of command of the written word that you have any idea what a college professor has ever said, and there were three riders on the night of April 14th 1775, and not one was black. Not that it matters what colour they were, what matters is the accuracy of the statement.
skweakykitty 2 months ago
@skweakykitty well you made my point for me kitty.apparently the book your reading is wrong .there was a black man that rode that night.just because i lack good grammar has nothing to do with the true.nakalimutan mo na ako.
DOUBAUM1 2 months ago
@skweakykitty try abel benson kitty
DOUBAUM1 2 months ago
The old saying about texas needs to be modified. Only Steers, queers, Bushes, Religious nuts, come from texas.
heartfire451 2 months ago
Dinosaur bones were obviously put on the Earth by God to test the faith of humanity derp.
God obviously exists because we have the bible herp derp.
If we evolved from monkeys then why do we still have monkeys!? Evolution are dumb and makes no sense teh bible is word the of the God proof enough 4 me tum ti tiddly tum de derp.
TheLegendOfRandy 3 months ago
@TheLegendOfRandy This is perhaps the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life.
Swizzik 3 months ago
@Swizzik lol Good, that was the point. Believe it or not, those are all actual rebuttals I've picked up from various different theists over the years. It's astounding how moronic people still are in this day and age. Also, I figured the "herps" and "derps" would be apparent enough of my sarcasm in my previous post.
TheLegendOfRandy 3 months ago
@TheLegendOfRandy oh okay then. But seriously they should teach evolution because if they teach creationism they would be left out of what every other country in the world is teaching and be disadvantaged later in life.
Swizzik 3 months ago
hahha this guy is a fuckin idiot. he should talk shit when he doesnt know what he is talking about...
fres2100 3 months ago
Letting government run the education system is failure to start with. Let children choose what they want to learn instead of everyone having the same books, class, time to be there, etc.. Look at the cuts they are making on colleges due to inflation...
emannin10 3 months ago
Teachers are usually liberal brainwashers to kids. They try to pursuade kids into voting the way they do. The older you get, the more conservative you get. Older=wiser.
JawsJaws 4 months ago
@JawsJaws No, older=senile
KillerBee256 2 months ago
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Vyna80 4 months ago
Lose the subtitles.
uranian99 5 months ago
the usa need GOD
PrayforDROAD 5 months ago
@PrayforDROAD You need English grammar lessons. :)
5StarGeneralXenoCO 4 months ago
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@PrayforDROAD "the usa need GOD"
Hello Og, no you don't need an imaginary friend, allow me to teach you about fire and the wheel.
Tomorrow's lesson: walking upright.
MakoSharkX 1 month ago
@PrayforDROAD The US would be much better off forgetting about god.
leizuoer 2 days ago
texas chainsaw massacre! DUH PEOPLE PUT IT TOGHTOR!!! LOL
ferfer18AG 6 months ago
"Theology: The field of study and analysis of make believe; for the purpose of spinning reality to conform to the human imagination so the control of others can be achieved". -Scott Tebben
scotttebben 6 months ago 12
Yeah! Ted Kennedy should have been mentioned as the Senator who got away with murder. He shoudl have been in prison, but instead he was another deviant Democrat. Also the history books should show that Obama was the first Muslim Communist (his own words)President.
rwethereyuk 6 months ago
There is science to support creationism. It's not just a religious issue. Belief that we're here by chance and macro-evolution are just as much a faith as creation. Both sides should have the opportunity to present and rebut each other's scientific arguments. Read my Internet articles: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM, ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 6 months ago
@Mogley52 there's no way in hell you can possibly teach creationism. explain how? and explain how forensic science refutes atheism. stop utilizing your first amendment right, please.
MsDDiddy 5 months ago
@Mogley52 How do you have to have faith to believe in evolution, something that's been proven?
bchplse 2 months ago
@Mogley52 "There is science to support creationism. It's not just a religious issue"
Wrong, period.
MakoSharkX 1 month ago
@Mogley52 There is ZERO evidence for creationism, therefore there's zero science to support it. There is no single, reputable scientist in the world who will tell you about or actually show you evidence to support creationism. Creationism, whether its Christian or Hindu or Celtic, is mythology. Every culture had its own creation story. Then science unveiled the truth.
The creationists have no evidence, therefore their ideas don't belong in the science classroom. End of story.
leizuoer 2 days ago
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Mogley52 6 months ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their reproductive system and other vital organs hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 6 months ago
Right wing kooks!
Duck4212 6 months ago
We try to fight it.
Rhinomachine 7 months ago
Evolution is far more interesting then the bible. Why would you want to learn from the bible.
isaacBrockofthe41 7 months ago
@isaacBrockofthe41 cuz the bible is true...
fres2100 3 months ago
@fres2100 So is greek mythology by your standards lol.
isaacBrockofthe41 3 months ago
Creationism may or may not be fictional, but the "Islam is peace" narrative that liberals are teaching our children is absolutely, unequivocally fiction. Of course, TYT has no problem with the dissemination of THIS lie.
truculantmuse 8 months ago
America was FOUNDED on Christian principals. When were men created? How far back can you trace human history? Eviloution is a LIE! If we evolved where's the documentation? Did it happen all at one time, in a blink of an eye? Nobody witnessed this transformation from monkeys (hehehe) to humans. It kinda funny how nobody knew this till darwin made it up. Goes to show just how STUPID people can be. Hmm...NOBODY KNEW THIS UNTIL darwin MADE IT UP. Who turns on your pc's for you everyday? IDIOTS!!
DrThrashenstein 8 months ago
@DrThrashenstein Nobody knew about Jesus until it was made up. Did you know that the written word is a recent phenomenon? Most history was transmitted through tales orally. There are a lot of languages that do not possess an alphabet or writing system today. Well, there are the depictions in cave's walls in France and Spain that date at least 50,000 years. There is no mention of a great flood or a burning bush. There are just some humanoids hunting bison and other now extinct European animals.
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@CanalOmega*****Well, Jesus wasn't made up he actually walked the earth. Other religions acknowledge his existance not just Christianity. The earth hasn't been around for 50k years and theres no proof to back it up unlike proof of a global flood. Dont you see that eviloution is a fraud? What type of monkey or fish or maggot did we evolve from? Where's the link? You gotta do better than scribblings on a cave wall. Every argument you have I'll debunk it for you.
DrThrashenstein 8 months ago
@DrThrashenstein So you acknowledge this Jesus was one more reincarnations of Shiva or Isis or Buddha. The Grand Canyon does not prove any great flood. Furthermore, how come there are Asians, Blacks, Hindus, etc with distinct characteristics and culture? If humanity was the product of incest, wouldn't there be very pronounced similarities among all humans? What type of soil is humanity made of and how can you prove it (outside the bible of course)? Remember in Genesis there is only two ppl.
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@CanalOmega HAHAHAHA...NO! Reincarnation is a fable just like eviloution, made up by people for people who dont wanna be accountable for their sins. And if you look closely we are similar. When a dog has a litter they have brown, black & white pups right. Type of soil or dust? I dont know what the flavor was but its still here just take a look outside its been here longer than 150 yrs, theres actual proof of it, unlike the monkey boy theory. Maybe darwin looked like a monkey & thats why he......
DrThrashenstein 8 months ago
@DrThrashenstein you have not answered the question and keep saying that there is proof. Please give it to me. What did you mean by recognized by other religions then? I have never knew of a Danish having a black child or an African having a Japanese. How many chihuahuas give birth to golden retrievers? What is the research method you were taught to find how things work in the universe? How do you quantify something or under which criteria data becomes relevant? please tell.
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@CanalOmega HAH dont listen to that idiot. If he read genesis in the original native hebrew it was written in, he'd see it talked about evolution. He's just another church sheeple. There is a God, but he's not religious. We killed him because he spoke against religion and said things so raw and true we could not handle it. That's right young man. Evolution is evidence of intelligent design. Does this anger you?
SupremeAmerican 8 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Why should I get angry? again, am I a lunatic? There are thousands of creation stories all around the world. Why a particular one would be above the rest? What is the quantitative method used to say that genesis is true but not what the native americans say or what the hindus say or the greeks or the romans. Faith and miracles are not relevant since Zeus and Venus also performed them. By the way, Jesus was killed because he was a liberal. He went against the establishment, lol.
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@CanalOmega The quantitative method used to support genesis just so happens to be science. And nobody is saying anything else is wrong, that's your own bigoted delusional addition to the concept at hand.
SupremeAmerican 8 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Please refer me to the research you implicitly say there is, and please let it be a nonpartisan, peer reviewed source. Okay, so you accept that Hindu scripture has the same validity as your own world view. You accept the notion that the world was created by Chronos. I like how you insult people's opposite views, very classy. I guess you win every time. I should use perverted, bigoted, delusional, shit your whatnot more often to win arguments that way to ;)
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@CanalOmega Jesus was not a communistic liberal, he was a genuine liberator. He did not partake in this modern day perversion of the word liberal. He spoke against a one world government, he did not push one.
SupremeAmerican 8 months ago
@SupremeAmerican What is communistic? is it like decider or nucular? If you read Revelations, it says that when Jesus comes back he's going to wipe all countries and kingdoms and create a 1000 year reign where he is the only sovereign. If that is not a world government what is? When he says that it is easier for a camel to fit in the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom what is he talking about? When he says to the young man to leave everything what does it mean?
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@CanalOmega Rofl you are desperate. Yes revelations says that. But it also says that mankind will create a one world government, and it will be evil and corrupt. Quit being such a sissy girl and get your facts straight.
SupremeAmerican 8 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Desperate? in my view a world government is a world government. It infringes my personal freedoms. Who is the bigoted, sexist person here? Have I called you a redneck, brainwashed, fascist, propagandist moron at any point in our conversation? No, why? Because it does not help my argument; it makes it less relevant. Haven't "they" taught you that attacking an opponent's persona instead of the ideas makes your argument weaker and less credible? You don't even know me, lol.
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@CanalOmega*****WOW what do I gotta do put puppets on my hands and explain it to you in a puppet video?
Muslims believe in Jesus and they WONT deny him walking the earth along with other religions. Lets take your dna and match it up with an ancestor of yours from 4000 years ago and see what the results will be. Did you ever hear of anyone finding out that their great great great grandfather was black yet he is white as snow?
C'mon, do some research before talking so foolish.
DrThrashenstein 8 months ago
@DrThrashenstein Muslims, Jews and Christians are what is known in academia as the "Abrahamic" religions because they share the same historic origin. Buddhist or Hindus or Shinto which are from a different historical root do not share the same views. Plus, you don't even know how reincarnation works. As for the DNA test, yes, all humans share a common ancestor at some point. DNA shows that humanity began in Africa and began to migrate out.
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@CanalOmega*****hindus, buddhists & satanists ALL believe that Jesus walked the earth. hindus even believe that Jesus walked to india to learn yoga LOL!! The dalai lama even believes in Jesus. I'm shocked you didn't know that, you seem intelligent just mislead. FYI reincarnation DONT work & I understand the whole concept & folly of it & I think its as silly as the tooth fairy even though the tooth fairy story took a little more effort & is more believable.
DrThrashenstein 8 months ago
@DrThrashenstein Buddhist: reincarnation of Buddha; Hindus:Reincarnation of Shiva. Not a savior, but a reincarnation. So you knew if you did bad deeds on this live you would pay them on the next and if you did good on that life you would be then rewarded on the next(Dharma=good, Karma=bad). Each culture shape their beliefs according to what suits them. For Whites, Liberation theology is bad whereas they accept the prosperity doctrine which is intrinsically non-Christian.
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@CanalOmega DNA also shows we are closely related to other animals. And that we are infact primates.
KillerBee256 2 months ago
@CanalOmega*****Ya know, everybody who tells me that there's no God I give em a task that they NEVER do cuz their to scared to. Get yourself a ouija board & 8 black candles but not a toys r us board you can get a real one online or make your own. Put a candle on each corner & side & light em up. Now call out for some demons, you can find out their names online, start taunting them & tell em their weak & going to hell & call em degrading names. They might not come right away but they will.
DrThrashenstein 8 months ago
@DrThrashenstein I've been there and its all psychological. Its is a predisposition phenomenon of a perceived danger that is not there. What used to be "demonic" possessions is now known as schizophrenia or in some cases addiction to crack or other drugs that makes the individual wreckless and overly strong. It is fear of the unknown feed by culture and environment.
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@CanalOmega*****I used to be a satanist. I started getting into it when I was 15. Some guys I met in high school were into it big time & me wanting to hang out with the people I had the most in common with, long hair, white skin, heavy metal & smoking weed. Where I grew up there were very few white people so I chose this group instead of the "nerds" lol. I seen & felt some FREAKY s**t that made me tremble. When I was getting away from that crap it started getting worse. I'll msg u if u want me 2
DrThrashenstein 8 months ago
@DrThrashenstein Loneliness can make a person hang out with the wrong crowd and I am glad you are out of those bad influences. However, anything outside the realm of Christianity or an opinion that differs from that particular social view is not by definition inherently evil. Science by its nature is neutral and based on empirical proof. Hypothesis can be null or change because the nature of science is elastic and self correcting. It is not absolute nor carry dogmatic symbolism Only rule noharm
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@DrThrashenstein We can have a chat, but my perspective is clear. All natural explanations for phenomena have to be explore before drawing any conclusions. Faith is a good thing to heal personal problems but it becomes a problem if a particular group wants to impose its views in the entire world. That is where things take a turn on my view.
CanalOmega 8 months ago 8
@CanalOmega tell the muslims that
DOUBAUM1 2 months ago
@DrThrashenstein Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it a lie.
bchplse 2 months ago
christianity is an insult to human intelligence and should vanish forever. How many many millions of lives have you ruined or just ended during the last 2000 years? There is no room for your bronze age bullshit in the twenty-first century. You have nothing to contribute to MODERN society. Damn mindless barbarians
dreamcastftwb1tch3s 8 months ago
Atlantic Triangular Trade = The Trade of "TRIANGLES"! (there was no such thing as Slavery of course)!
TEXAS PLEASE SECEDE! So America can move FORWARD!
MrsD7777 9 months ago
i don't get y people can't be a person of faith and science
dojOdRiFTeR 9 months ago
Right Wing, Left Wing. Who is the Body in the Middle? They are all work for the same people; they are fooling the people by giving them sides to choose like in a FootBall Game, you need to pick a side or why watch the Game.
rocksiphone 9 months ago in playlist Death Panel Author Exposed and More Right Wing Nonsense
this is sickening....
liamrenn 9 months ago
@livin4jesus0225 That is simply not true because faith and belief are inseparable from world view. In your argument is this truth, churches believing in nothing have no redeeming value.
draphaelc 10 months ago
I've never been proud of being born in Texas, I'm glad that I didn't grow up there and feel sorry for anyone who was (is) a victim of the Texas "education" system.
The only thing great about Texas is that the keep it in the south.
OneWrytyr 10 months ago
Christians aren't all bad. About 10% of them have strange beliefs contrary to ones taught in common churches. I think many people claim to be Christian just so they can manipulate people and blame it on God/Jesus/etc. I really don't know why though... =(
FlamingSilencer 10 months ago
Fundamental Christians are not the ones rewriting history. Evolution cannot stand under its own argument of irreducible complexity. Science, claiming to know nothing and leaning for support of an hypothesis on reproducible experiments shows itself for the lie and actual religion it is. How has the experiment been successfully carried out with predicted verifying results one time? Not one time is there evidence or data to support the theory. Not one, talking about accepting something on faith.
draphaelc 10 months ago
@draphaelc Except there is overwhelming amount of proof out there. But sure, if you want to put fingers in ears and go "lah lah lah, I dont hear anything", then so be it.
MarvelousGeorge 10 months ago
@MarvelousGeorge Name one proof.
draphaelc 10 months ago
@draphaelc Evidence of human evolution in the form of all the found skeletons of our ancestors? You can see there rather nicely how human evolved.
There are museums full of this stuff and people more then willing to explain it all to you, have you never seen them?
MarvelousGeorge 10 months ago
@MarvelousGeorge In Evolution and Ecology class, skull models were presented to illustrate what was being proposed. I asked if the little small white piece was all that was missing. Professor responded, no, that is all that was found. similar story for the other skull models. Pretty good filling in the blanks, don't you think? Another thing I took away fro, the class was how many missing links were later revealed to be hoaxes. There is a real lack of integrity in what masquerades as academia.
draphaelc 10 months ago
@draphaelc - So the lesson you learnt from the Piltdown man hoax was that academia lacks integrity? - even though 'academia' was responsible for bringing the hoax to light?
Your 'thinking' seems to go something like this...
1. The Piltdown man was a hoax by an 'academic' (actually just an amateur archaeologist).
2. Therefore all 'academia' lacks integrity. (ie. all scientists lack integrity.)
3. Therefore we can't trust what scientists tell us.
4. So evolution is wrong. - you are demented
shumble32 10 months ago
@shumble32 Is that supposed to be a defense by example? I didn't specifically mention that particular hoax. Hoaxes are not isolated instances in purported academia are they? It appears you are attempting to shift blame by changing the argument. True science has no need of defense and is not reinforced by use of fallacious argument to label doubters as demented. This is a tactic common with deliberate deceivers.
draphaelc 9 months ago
@draphaelc
True - you didn't specifically mention that particular hoax - true, you did fail to provide a specific example. But is there any reason why I couldn't to illustrate the fallacy of your argument?
To generalise from such a rare cases of scientific hoaxes is a tactic common with deliberate deceivers (and also lacks integrity)
shumble32 9 months ago
@draphaelc Ted Haggard lied about his sexual orientation and did drugs with a male prostitute therefore all ministers are drug addict, closeted gays? A bunch of priest molested boys therefore all priests are pedophiles?I can go on and on about this. hopefully you understand that the fault of one does not translate into transgression by the whole organization. Also, since science is not based on "revelation" it can be fixed time and time again if needed. It is the beauty of it; self check is gr8
CanalOmega 8 months ago
@draphaelc
So just because science doesn't know (or claim to know) all the answers - you think that means evolution is wrong and therefore the rival 'old man in a nightshirt living in the clouds' theory is correct?
So does religion have all the answers? Or are the difficult questions often dismissed with the classic cop out of "god moves in mysterious ways".
God gave you a brain - you should use it.
shumble32 10 months ago
@shumble32 Precisely. If this purported science has true substance in support, why does it so desperately fear alternate views?
draphaelc 9 months ago
@draphaelc - Science doesn't fear alternate 'views', because science isn't a view - science is a method.
In particular a method used to reveal the truth. The only alternative to this would be a method to hide the truth - superstition and lies spring to mind.
Religion fears science for the same reason that a criminal fears a detective
shumble32 9 months ago
To finish my post below... and the result of their persuasive agruments was that the words God, Jesus, Creator, Bible, Christian, etc... are absent from the constitution and bill of rights. No higher power other than "we the people" is cited. only discrepency is that the date is given "in the year of our Lord..." however that just signifies belief in a Creator/God of the universe and cannot be used to say the USA was founded on christianity. Truth is unfound when not all sides are explored.
DerekBCD 11 months ago
the majority of the founder fathers were christians, FACT. HOWEVER, a minority among them were deists & unitarians, and that minority consists largely of the more famous founding fathers know by all americans. In stating a father's religious view the context of time is important, ex. James Madison was raised calvinist, eventually became a unitarian or deist. The fore-mentioned minority are the ones who really worked hard to convence the chirstian majority that secularism was the best way to go.
DerekBCD 11 months ago
Why don't the Christian Right just piss off?
staple006 11 months ago
@findthelight2000 The planet Earth may not be human beings first home. Meaning that even if humans did evolve, they may not have done it here, which could explain why there's missing evidence of Human evolution. We may have been placed here or genitically crossed with more primitive life already on Earth. Again explaining the gap in the evo theory.
gurn58 11 months ago
@findthelight2000 Who made the aliens you ask? Maybe God if there is one I don't know lol. But the evolution theory has too many holes in it as far as humans go. Darwin had the assumtion that at some point the missing link would be found, but it wasn't, and if it were going to be found it would have been by now. I know that evolution has it's role, but I don't believe humans evolved from apes, they may have shared a common ancestor possibly. But I think alien intervengence may be the case.
gurn58 11 months ago
@findthelight2000 And btw, I'm agnostic not atheist... So after alien intervengence, I would take religions account of human creation before evolution.
gurn58 11 months ago
@gurn58 "alien intervengence"
OK..., so who (or what) created those aliens? &
How do you explain away the proof that already exists of evolution?
findthelight2000 11 months ago
@findthelight2000 And how is it that I'm arguing with myself? Since you were non specific I'll just say, read my posts closer. I'm simply saying that Life couldn't have happened by chance. There had to be a designer I believe, whether it's God or Aliens or whatever I don't know. (I lean towards aliens myself lol). As for religion in school text books I don't want it part of the normal curriculum, but like I said if they wanted to offer students a class with that option, fine. Clear things up?
gurn58 11 months ago
im a texan, and i was always ashamed of it. there are people here who are shockingly not smart...
RedDragon033195 11 months ago
@findthelight2000 Public school text books should not reference God. If you want God referenced in text books you go to a religous school. Do you hear school or science referenced in the bible? Although I'm not agaisnt a public school offering an elective class that would allow ideas and discussions that referenced God based on an academic subject like science. I hold the notion that science and religion can live together even though I am agonstic.
gurn58 11 months ago
@animals0feel1pain2 No matter how life happened, if it was this way or that way it still couldn't have happened randomly. Too much had to happen. Every complex thing that we have today is by design none of them could have happened on their own, buildings, cars, homes, ect. anything you name it, couldn't have happened randomly. And life, even primitive life is so much more complex than those things, it even more so it had to be by design.
gurn58 11 months ago
@gurn58
Are you a split personality? None of your posts seems to agree with the other. You even seem to be arguing with yourself in a single post.
Very strange.
findthelight2000 11 months ago
@animals0feel1pain2 Amino acids may form under those contitons. But for enough amino acids to come together in a precise order to form even a simple protein (any other order would have meant nothing biologically) would have the same chance as dumping scabble letters on a table over and over waiting for them compose a meaning full sentance. It's been proven that amino acids do not chemically attract each other in any meaningful order. lightning and volcanos or not.
gurn58 11 months ago
Many scientists these days are shifting to intelligent design. Realizing now that the amino acids that form together to form proteins could not have happened by chance. That it would have taken DNA to form even the first life. Amino acids form strings that fold up a certain way according to the instrutions from the DNA to form proteins. Proving that DNA has to exist before life can occur as it is the blueprint for even the first cell, thus intelligent design. I didn't say the designer was god.
gurn58 11 months ago
@gurn58 ...And you didn't have to.
By the way, the Urey-Miller experiments forty years ago showed how amino acids could form under the conditions present in the early Earth via electricity from lightning, heat from volcanoes, and the elements that were present in the oceans of that time. In fact, those vials were re-opened a few years ago and they were surprised to see some forty amino acids in them, which is about twenty more than the number of amino acids present in our bodies right now.
animals0feel1pain2 11 months ago
Rewriting all the lies in shitty textbooks with shit-rate "scholars" that do no research on their own, they just reference other textbooks and write their own with copied information. How DARE they not conform to the leftist agenda!
CalicoatMaker 11 months ago
Don't forget that a large percentage of people in the US don't know that the earth revolves around the sun and that it takes a year to do it. We have problems if people don't even know that a year is characterized by exactly that fact.
ZeroContentSF 1 year ago
I'm not surprised. It is typical these days that people who find just about any way direct, or indirect, to make fun of anyone who believes in God, would also find a way to try and make Christians look like they were out to cause trouble, and make it even worse by adding 'implied' and 'made-up' comments and detractions than can be equally obvious as either fictitious, unethically motivated, or both. So what you end up with, is some true 'in a way' implied ideas that are deceptive and pure lies.
olympicsnow 1 year ago
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@olympicsnow "find a way to try and make Christians look like they were out to cause trouble"
This is like Nazis complaining about being bombed by Allied planes during WWII. It was the Christians who decided to start a "Culture War," and now all they do is whine about the push-back? Fundamentalist Christianity presents itself as militant ignorance, and that observation is neither fictitious nor unethically motivated (whatever that means).
WolverineDeus 1 year ago
@olympicsnow "It is typical these days that people who find just about any way direct, or indirect, to make fun of anyone who believes in God"
That is usually not the intention, but just how many Christian Fundamentalists perceive it. The fact remains..., if you had never thrown the first punch we wouldn't have to retaliate.
findthelight2000 1 year ago
im from Texas and the only thing in any of my history text books in school about the enlightened thinkers was one paragraph that was extremely vague. pretty fucked up that everyone says that this country was founded on Christian values when most of the most important founding fathers were deists.
feeblechrist126 1 year ago
@dbzman1985 Look up the word "apocryphal". Quotes from a discredited third-party source are not "quotes" at all, and are essentially meaningless -- much like many of your arguments.
WolverineDeus 1 year ago
The ignorant bigots on the TX SBOE who voted to remove Jefferson from the curriculum on Enlightenment thinkers who influenced revolutionary movements after 1750 and to replace him with John provide a case in point. John Calvin was an authoritarian Protestant preacher in Geneva who in 1553 presided over the beheading of Jacques Gruet and having Michael Servetus burnt alive at the stake, both for heresy. How is Johyn Calvin a more authentic example of free thought than Thomas Jefferson?"
WolverineDeus 1 year ago
If, as the Fundamentalist Christian zealots insist, the Founding Fathers were all Bible-thumping Christians intent on establishing a "Christian" nation, then why is religion mentioned nowhere in the Constitution except in exclusionary terms? The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once.
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There is more evidence to support the contention that the Founding Fathers intended America to be a pagan nation than a Christian one.
WolverineDeus 1 year ago 9
@WolverineDeus Hopping over other real arguments to be made for retaining God in our knowledge as a nation, the key to true liberty is largely the recognition of our inalienable rights. Inalienable by definition means God-given. Without the acceptance of the Creator and the absolute values contained in that recognition founded in Judao Christian tradition, the sanctity of those rights and the very definition of those rights fade.
draphaelc 10 months ago
@draphaelc
"Inalienable by definition means God-given" - not if you get your definitions from a dictionary.
You are guilty of 'baring false witness' - which transgresses one of the those 'absolute values' you pompously and erroneously, think Christianity has a monopoly of.
shumble32 10 months ago
@dbzman1985 There is no proof that Hitler actually said anything that is quoted in "Hitler's Tabletalk," which is apocryphal hearsay produced by one of Hitler's secretaries in return for immunity from war crimes prosecution immediately after WWII. What Hitler DID repeatedly say, in his speeches and writings which are a matter of historical record, was that he was a devout and committed Christian. For some reasons, this makes many Christians uncomfortable....
WolverineDeus 1 year ago
@dbzman1985 Answering a specific rebuttal with a vague generalization is hardly conclusive.
WolverineDeus 1 year ago
That's terrible to hear, I have friends in Texas that are very intelligent! (For one, they don't believe that dinosaurs and humans lived together, they aren't afraid to challenge others!)
LazyFilmMaker 1 year ago
@dbzman1985 "Hitler's Tabletalk" is apocryphal hearsay composed by one of Hitler's former secretaries in a trade-off for immunity from prosecution for war crimes by the Allies immediately after WWII. It was published by the British government and has no credibility as an authentic historical document or as a legitimate historical source for actual quotes of Adolf Hitler.
WolverineDeus 1 year ago
as a wise man once said "its better to be a rightwing nutjob than a liberal with no job and no nuts"
PhosphorousRedeemer 1 year ago
@PhosphorousRedeemer really doubt that man was wise!
eleminatus 1 year ago
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@eleminatus What is certain is that you are a complete idiot.
RadarGuidedVermin 6 months ago
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@PhosphorousRedeemer "as a wise man once said "its better to be a rightwing nutjob than a liberal with no job and no nuts"
You're confusing wisdom with ignorance.
findthelight2000 1 year ago
So much of what's wrong with America comes down to its continued, widespread religious fanaticism. If it could be discredited to the extent that it should be, and consigned to the history (not science!) books where it belongs, the country would be much richer intellectually, politics and social policy more rational; not to mention that it would be less of a global laughing stock! Teaching kids that creationism has even a shred of validity amounts to teaching them that the Earth is flat.
wastospace 1 year ago 10
@wastospace The evidence present in the ever increasingly Godless anti-christian state of America suggests the exact opposite of your argument. If you rightly define mock science and secularism for the destructive dehumanizing religion it is and argue against this real threat to America, you will approach truth.
draphaelc 10 months ago
I just want to state that in the quran it acknowledges that human beings are not the 1st creation, it aknowledges that the earth has been here for millions of years and that over creations such as the dinosaurs were here 1st, that's a fact, dinosaurs roamed the earth YEARS before we did, we wouldn't of been able to co exist with large meat eating and even large plant eating animals.....the bible on the other hand tries to go against this....absolutely crazy.
SotaStreetFSociety 1 year ago
omarspence couldn't be more right on this, I agree.
eethry 1 year ago
Americas education system seriously needs reform. If things continue down this path, America will be a third world theocracy before too long.
omarspence 1 year ago 2
The state should not establish a religion, but I think they should still teach it in school. Not just Christianity, but Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, and Confucianism as well. Basically, just add in a theology class to the curriculum. But keep science and religion separate, please!!!
LadySeraph 1 year ago
Science is always correct there is no debating it.
GunsOfThePhoenix 1 year ago
@GunsOfThePhoenix Science is always evolving and can be proven false at any time. the debating of science leads to the furthering of science
telemarker93 1 year ago
@GunsOfThePhoenix
Not a very intelligent comment I'm afraid
1053j 1 year ago
@dbzman1985 Yea i know your got pwned.
XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX 1 year ago
@dbzman1985 Hitler was not a creationist, he posed a a christian (he was also raised as a Catholic which he rejected at an earlier raised).
XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX 1 year ago
Its fine, at least Europe will maintain scientific knowledge whilst we are dragged back into the christian dark ages.
TheMetalstorm22 1 year ago
George Orwell predicted that this would happen about 70 years ago when he wrote 1984
TRISTANRAMEZ 1 year ago 12
Maybe we are created by intelligent design to evolve and adapt to our surroundings.
Maybe, maybe not.
Anyone who comes out and says "this is how life began..." is a total idiot that cannot handle the fact that they dont know.
ptangboy 1 year ago
@ptangboy because that's abiogenisis.
skydome29 1 year ago
I'm a Texan, and I feel sorry to call myself a Texan right now :(
NonPointRulz101 1 year ago 25
@NonPointRulz101 I'm a Mississippian, and I say that any Southerner who lets liberal propaganda make them feel bad because men like Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, and Nathan Forrest defended their families and their states from an overbearing, tyrannical government the same as George Washington did is a bigger embarrassment than any Yankee ever could be.
WN4723 11 months ago
@WN4723 What you may call "liberal propaganda" is what the rest of the United States and indeed the world would call "historical fact".
You won't hear someone from Germany calling the Civil War the "War of Northern Aggression" because they didn't grow up being taught an alternate version of history from what the rest of the world considers "fact".
If anyone has been affected by propaganda, its you. And your close-minded knee-jerk reaction is a big indicator of that.
ThridRozenMaiden 11 months ago
@NonPointRulz101 I know right? At least San Antonio, Austin, and Houston are pretty sane.
junkers1337 9 months ago
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"Give me one generation of children and I will give you the country" Adolf Hitler.
Digdigs2 1 year ago
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That's just what my kids think because they are always asking if that was when I fell off my dinosaur.
TheWingedunicorn 1 year ago
That's just what my kids think because they are always asking if that was when I feel off my dinosaur.
TheWingedunicorn 1 year ago
@dbzman1985 Hitler wasn't a creationist dummy. He was a Darwinist and believed in an Aryan Jesus. He was an idiot but he didn't believe in creationism. Stop making shit up.
Also you are wrong about the Jeffersonian Bible, he ripped out the parts concerning divinity as he had a healthy hate for the divine right of kings.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi
Sounds like you're a "Beckian" from the televangelists "Beck University". You poor, pathetic, s*** for brains.
findthelight2000 1 year ago
the founding fathers did intend this to be a chirstain nation, and say so in a treaty to a barber state in 1790's, and if it was, why do we have a frist admendment that says we have religous freedom? fact is that yes, many radical and non radical christains came to america, they saw the religous wars happening in europe, wanted none of that here, so they made this secular laws and consitution to prevent that, which these revisionist radical hristain bigots want to rewrite and say its not ture!
KangaKucha 1 year ago
This insults me on both a leftist level and on a paleontological level. GOD DAMNIT HOW STUPID CAN THIS COUNTRY GET?
TigerIIRT 1 year ago
@AstronomyGuru1 I certainly believe that had it not been for religion holding us back, we would be far more technologically & medically advanced, and have a far greater understanding of the universe & life.
freetheworldof 1 year ago 2
@AstronomyGuru1 Just a thought: There have been various studies (including those done by religious organisations) that have shown that societies are worse off 'when they have God on their side'. i.e. Religious belief can cause damage to a society, contributing towards high murder rates, sexual promiscuity and suicide.
freetheworldof 1 year ago
@dbzman1985 You know, theres no law against calling their rewriting textbooks Orwellian
arachnophile01 1 year ago
@dbzman1985 Godwins law
arachnophile01 1 year ago
I cannot believe how they are allowed to get away with this. Evolution, is a known factual theory and has been for a very long time. They just object to their religious beliefs being questioned. I believe this will have a severe impact on the recruitment & development of future scientists in the US. Also, to change the history of the US is outrageous. By the way I am from the UK and even I can see this. This is a huge step backwards in terms of respect of America and all that it stands for.
freetheworldof 1 year ago
It's still a theory.
Ragitsu 1 year ago
@Ragitsu Exactly what do you mean by "it's still a theory"? Do you mean it is theory that hasn't changed, or that is still only a theory?
freetheworldof 1 year ago
It's still only a theory.
Ragitsu 1 year ago
@Ragitsu Then I have to tell you that you do not know the definition of the word 'theory' when used in the scientific community. It does not mean that it is 'only an idea or simply a guess'.
freetheworldof 1 year ago
@Ragitsu While theories in the arts and philosophy may address ideas and are not easily observable, in modern science the term "theory", or "scientific theory" is understood to refer to an explanation of empirical phenomena, made in a way consistent with the scientific method. In other words, regarding evolution, it is a theory based on known facts that have been peer reviewed by a great number of other scientists. It is also a theory which is verifiable (testable).
freetheworldof 1 year ago
In addition to being a theory, it also comes from humans, and time and time again, humans have been proven to be full of flawed information. Therefore, I am not so quick to jump on the side of anyone, when it comes to the very origin of our people.
Oh, and some scientific people can get pretty fanatic in their ways...not unlike certain religious extremists.
Ragitsu 1 year ago
@Ragitsu In addition to being a theory? It seems you not accept my comment on the use of the word in the scientific community. I suggest you look it up for yourself in a dictionary or wiki, or just google "what is the difference between theory and scientific theory".
freetheworldof 1 year ago
@Ragitsu You are correct not to jump on the side of anyone, do the research for yourself, using the sources of each of the opposing sides. When you say "origin of our people" I assume you mean the origin of our species & not the origin of life. The origin of species is evolution, whereas the origin of life is abiogenesis. You are right of course when you say some scientists can get pretty fanatical, though mainly when they see known facts are being portrade as lies or misrepresented.
freetheworldof 1 year ago