@HopeForPeaceNow It really is sad how pathetically juvenile and intellectually vacuous you are. The fact that you feel compelled to repeat what I say proves that you have an intellect of a 6 year old.
The Estate tax is a tax levied on you when you die, that is why it is called a "death tax" The assets that someone accumulates over their life have already been taxed and the government has no business taxing it again when you die. That is obscene and immoral.
"It really is sad how pathetically juvenile and intellectually vacuous you are. " bluegsp
No, sir, it is sad to see a grown up try to discourse with a 5th grade bully mentality. Whatever you use to mock me can be just as easily applied to you.
The estate tax is a death tax imposed when you die, that has nothing to do with the exemption amount. I don't care if the exemption is 10 billion, the principle is still the same and does not change the evil of taxing money that has already been taxed, idiot. You are the one making a fool of yourself and I am loving every minute of exposing you lying propaganda bullshit.
@HopeForPeaceNow Show me where I said that the death tax applies to 100% of us. It doesn't matter if it only effects one person, it is still an immoral tax, you stupid cow.
Do you have a point to your little quiz? or is it just more inane ramblings of incoherent thoughts.
"The Estate tax is a tax levied on you when you die, that is why it is called a "death tax" The assets that someone accumulates over their life have already been taxed and the government has no business taxing it again when you die. " bluegsp
"Do you have a point to your little quiz?"you
"Lets try your knowledge level." me
Read often?
You obviously know less than I do. Simple proof.
Now, I won't be answering you again until you give it a shot. Maybe you can answer just one.
@HopeForPeaceNow Another incoherent post from you. All you seem capable of doing is repeating what I say, then you add a bunch of gibberish. Here's an idea, try to have a "point", it makes it much more interesting for the reader.
Lets try your knowledge level. See if you can answer ever 2 or 3 of these:
Who was Bremer, what did he do in Iraq? Who was Chalabi? What was the Iraq NIE? What was the OSP? Who was Goldsmith? Who gave the PDB in 2002? What is the Gini Index? How much are derivatives worth today? Whats a credit default swap? Who is Arnell, what did he invent? Who are Wallison and Pinto? WHo coined "jobcreators"? Who is Frank Luntz? What is AEI? The CFPB?
you may not be rich but i doubt your poor. i dont think theres any poor people in lesbiania(santa cruz).
are you ok with your kids having to sell the house you worked hard and paid taxes on for(at a short sale) because of marxist democrats implementing taxes where they shouldnt??????
implying that an inheretance should be taxed equal to that of an annual income. theres your hypocrisy rooted in marxism. the estate tax limit is set high to protect poor people.
if some one whos poor inherits a sizable estate thats already had its taxes paid thats been in the family for 150 years, presently they get to keep it.
under your marxist plan they have to sell it. but you ok with that because private property is un proletariat and any who has some should be punished.
@adolfarrakahane "under your marxist plan they have to sell it. but you ok with that because private property is un proletariat and any who has some should be punished"
What a load of horse shit. Beck's explanation of the Estate tax supposed it applies to everyone. His normal spin. I was demonstrating his lie - and you tell me all liberals want to punish all property owners because I state a fact.
This is a great example of the lie machine of which you are a cog.
"wwhen i die you come in my house and take stuff out of my house and give it to people who dont deserve it." he's talking about the estate tax, this applies to people who only make three and a half million dollars a year."
theres a prime example of scary liberal deception. trying to imply that estate income is the same category as a work income. cont>
"he's talking about the estate tax, this applies to people who only make three and a half million dollars a year.""
"trying to imply that estate income is the same category as a work income"
I am stating the criteria by which Estate tax is figured. It's a simple fact. I have to mention the income level because THAT IS HOW IT"S DETERMINED. Jeez. You guys never fail to fight hard for the rights of the elite to rip us off.
and further more on the marginal theory of diminishing utlity as i said i think the tax system benefits those at the top at the expense of those directly below them so when you make the tax structure progressive you are just helping those with teh most wealth utility wise and will continue to exacerbate wealth stratification. Also these 500 limits are getting burdensome for formatting if you will correspond via im it would be easier, thanks.
Have you considered the problem is that the state itself enables the rich to keep their money via labyrinthine tax policy and lobbying ? In fact it is lobbying that demonstrates that you cannot escape the market but you can grant market privilege to few people by relegating a lot of power to a small group of people. Also wouldn't the progressive tax system grant those with more money in identical brackets higher utility constraining market competitiveness and insuring wealth inequalities?
@rayyf69 correction. those that compete economically in identical brackets would be taxed at the similar % that doesn't take into account the utility to begin with. Those that have less money in teh same brackets would potentially suffer higher utility losses then those with more money making the progressive tax system exacerbate wealth disparities within brackets ultimately leading to the richer individual having less utility loss and obtaining advantaged position in the market from that.
I contest that the rich have an advantaged position by definition, not by utility.
The dynamic of forcing them to benefit those who benefit them (because they will NOT do this unless forced, history proves..Progressive era as 1 example) by creating the economy by the sweat of their backs is best implemented through taxation.
@HopeForPeaceNow 1 Yes I would minimize the role of the state in market interference as the state seems to benefit the rich more then the poor. The notion that the poor or a benevolent central planner will guide state institutions to an equilibrium of maximum fairness doesn't seem reasonable at all. By what mechanism would this be achieved ?
@HopeForPeaceNow Also while i'll agree the those with less resources would be better off with more resources it seems obvious to me that what's relevant to teh motivations of recipients of cash payments is "HOW" they obtain it. I 't think transfers for the sake of leveling are corrosive. Organisms seem to engage in risk offsetting and if somebody is providing you wealth the costs of your failures are discounted making failure cheaper. Society should make individuals internalize their failures.
"Society should make individuals internalize their failures. "
Should we make the jobcreators internalize their failures?
44mil poor today in the US. 15 mil fully unemployed, 10 mil underemployed=19 million working poor. % of non-poor working 2 jobs is up by 26%. Working 3 jobs up by 12%.
The "right" cries the poor are lazy. In fact, as our wealth moves upward, there is simply less and less to share below. It is the "right"s constant chant that the poor are lazy that is the injustice.
@HopeForPeaceNow "Should we make the jobcreators internalize their failures?" ABSOLUTELY we should!!! I never said anyting about the poor being lazy, i said receiving aid perverts incentives. I believe that is the case if your poor or you own a million dollar company and receive market power from teh government in teh form of regulatory interference. I don't recognize the equation that the poor are good and the rich or bad or the opposite notion. Your assets have no bearing on your virtue.
Keep in mind, for every .1% we loose of financial wealth 1-2 more million of us slip under the poverty line. The jobcreators are creating jobs overseas. There are less and less resources for more and more people, a dynamic created by our wealth moving upward.
Is it your position that those who use and have for generations used the US system to create their wealth have no responsibility to the poor their removal of our wealth creates?
@HopeForPeaceNow on "responsibility to the poor". This is not a meaningful statement. The poor are not a homogenous group with equal virtue. Benefits should be proportional to contributions. Some individuals that are rich do not deserve their wealth but some poor in society do deserve their impoverishment. We need a METHOD to determine who deserves what, waht is that method?
@rayyf69 2 if your method is looking at incomes and then transferring wealth based on income levels i find that arbitrary and that doens't address who is creating value and who is consuming it. I understand your instinct to quickly assault the rich, but i find that approach to simplistic and potentially dangerous. I want to know who is producing value in society and who is consuming it. Especially who si producing value. Now will you determine this democratically, or appoint elites to find out?
@rayyf69 "if your method is looking at incomes and then transferring wealth based on income levels"
I've never advocated that or read anyone who has. The simple adjustment of tax code is obvious. The ELite also have $11 Trillion offshore untaxed. Gee, that's nearly the national debt. Hmmm.
"assault the rich" Is returning tax rates to previous levels and assalt?
@HopeForPeaceNow "Producing value? Would that be the workers??" Waht workers? all workers equally ? That's not reasonable as all workers to not produce equal output regardless of if the rich are gaming the system. Just because the rich can benefit disproportionally doesn't mean i want the poor to also. Also you must realize by now i don't see taxation as the issue it's regulation and intervention. Taxation doesn't not accurately respond to who is producing value. It hits income margins.
@HopeForPeaceNow I think you already know my idea. It's removing the tools the wealthy use to consolidate their wealth and those tools i believe are the state. By limiting the state's ability to intervene in teh market you reduce their ability to generate monopoly profits. Welfare fr teh rich is bad as it perverts their incentives to provide good services. Welfare for teh poor is just as bad as it reduces their incentives to become autonomous, That also ensures the rich keep fortify their positn
"make the jobcreators internalize their failures?"
BECAUSE of the ownership of our government BY our Corporations, through conservative legislation (lack of anti-monopoly regulation) US firms got so large (as they are still today) that their failure would have taken down the world economy. Losses from 2008 = $11 Trillion. W/o stabilization, $67 Trillion is the estimate. ACTUAL Domino effect (Thanks LBJ) The losses to the middle class occur avec OR sans gov bailouts.The Elite DON'T Loose!
@HopeForPeaceNow market power is created by teh state via legislation and many monopolies owe their existence to state intervention. and stabalization must be payed for eventually just as heroin addiction must be. Also Corporations "limit liability" just as teh welfare state limits the liability of those that obtain benefits. So i repeat individuals should internalize their failures regardless of their stratification. I do not wish to make failure cheaper unless its' offloaded to technology.
@HopeForPeaceNow 3 on utility i have to disagree as welfare economics tends to employ utility metrics specifically to determine how policies should be crafted. If we consider utility reasonable metric for "making people better off" then the person who makes 20 million/yr vs person B who makes 7/million is at a utility advantage under a progressive tax structure as they lose less utility. This suggests to me the progressive tax is destructive to its' ends increasing utility at the top.
"progressive tax" You are using 20% of the equation to determine utillity, ignoring the fact that utility is proportionally higher in the lower quintiles.
What would you replace progressive taxes with? Lower taxes for the top?
What do you think America will look like when the bottom 80% own 3% and 100 million of us live under the poverty line? What else could possibly result? Bush TCs have been around for 10 years. 2/3 of the jobs that group created were overseas!
@HopeForPeaceNow while it can be argued that we are enhancing utility in the poorer individuals that is not relevant to my point. My point is that the progressive tax system disadvantages the super rich(SR) individual relative to a SR individual with slightly more money.Individuals with large amounts of wealth have utility advantage vs those with a fraction of the wealth of the SR, but who are still SR, leading to a utility advantage. If they r competitors this fortifies teh SR position
@rayyf69 "super rich(SR) individual relative to a SR individual with slightly more money."
This is the best argument you have to support the lowering of the top tax rate to 25% from 70%? This very tactic has CAUSED the trickle UP of our wealth. CAn the middle class comprehend that 15% is less than 18.9%? The reality of where our wealth is going is undebatable.
If you can subtract 15 from 18.9, it's clear.
No argument on utility will make that fact good for the middle class.
@HopeForPeaceNow "best argument you have" you do understand the marginal theory of utility right ? That's the basis of my argument. i can't respond further.
and u dont' attribute perverse wealth stratification to regulatory interference and insulation from competitors via rent-seeking ? But earlier you lamented lobbying activity ? Consider its' a multivariate phenomenon, but consider transfer payments to the poor reduce teh costs of failure to them and keep them confined to crushing poverty.
@HopeForPeaceNow I think in order to grasp my point you need to realize that the solution i envision is not contingent adjusting the correct marginal rate to tax people. It's about forcing the superrich to compete in the market, and not allowing them to defect or leave the market and enter the POLITICAL MARKET and engage in rent-seeking activity.
@HopeForPeaceNow you won't remove lobbyists and "all pay auctions" are very difficult for the public to detect. The system as it stands is representative and any "political corruption" is largely shadowed by the information costs the public must navigate to obtain said info. And yes i would minimize taxes as much as possible as paying for goods and services via a coercive model is not an effective means to allocate resources efficiently and breeds moral hazard in institutions.
We need to get rid of the 16th amendment all unconstitutional government.Elect TEA party candidates . The rich are rich because work/income is taxed wealth is not taxed
@HopeForPeaceNow Life is not a Carl Marx communist manifesto.Life is not fair yes you are a communist. 90% do not work. The working percentage is closer to 50%. You are unemployed and house less because of Osama our president and his business hating policy's.The war on poverty has taken about 60 years costs billions and is a total failure dittos for our communist educational monopoly.Thank you teachers union.
@HopeForPeaceNow I want to congratulate your Muslim president B Hussain Obama for successfully following president Bushes foreign policy keeping Gitmo Cuba open and starting a 3rd war Libya LOL lets not overlook osamas tax cuts for rich republicans by behavior Obama is Bush.
Ever heard of a "period"? It looks like this ".". It goes at the end of sentences. I think they covered that in 2nd grade. You might want to review. When you write like a moron, people think you are a moron.
But, again, LOVE the stuff, lie on lie on lie. Perfect. Thanks. Please, keep it up. I'm doing a piece on how ignorant the "right" is. Yours is not my best stuff, but it's close. Luckily people with functioning brain capacity see through it.
@nbutler777 Yes, this is the "If we attempt to recover our lost resources they will punish us" myth.
It relies on the idea that we have no power over the top 20% and they can remove our resources by blackmailing us with higher prices.
Do you really fall for that?
The answer is simple. Tax framework that docks CEOs for creating jobs elsewhere while creating personal profit here, untaxed. If you think we have no power over that, what will stop them from owning 97%?
I know this is an old video, but I cant resist. Listen, Lady, unless you move in the near future, you will find yourself a resident of MEXIFORNIA. Now, I am not an expert, but I am guessing, the Mexicans will be able to teach you few things about redistributing wealth. That's the good news. The bad news? Your money will be re-distributed to the wealthy elites in Mexico.
3) Enact progressive tax policy. We just debated this in the Bush tax cuts.
Estate tax, (renamed "death tax" by Conservatives, tho it taxes 2% of AMericans while death pretty much effetcs 100% of us), capital gains taxes and dividend tax rates are the most logical. US taxes for Corps whose base is in the US. If you watch coverage of the Bush tax cuts debate, you will see Repub after Repub defend the very LOW rates in these areas. KNow about the Laffer curve?
@nbutler777 The best historical balance as terms of middle class general prosperity and reduction of poverty was at 20%.. that is the bottom 80% owning 20% (not 7% as now) of financial wealth, the elite power grid owning 80%.
100% wealth distribution, which the "right"claims the godless progressives want.. would the be the top 20% owning 20%...of course, there is no "top" then. Such a reality is never mentioned, inferred, intentioned or embraced by the left on any level, at any time, in reality.
3) Enact progressive tax policy. We just debated this in the Bush tax cuts. The "right" named teh top 20% "jobcreators". Kept them at 35% income tax. The majority of jobs created have been overseas, where their Corps pay taxes. Not here. It is valid for the 80% to protest the trickle up of our wealth. The lower the % that we own, the more poverty, crime and struggle for resources.
"How about in the olden days when the King owned 100% of everything. Does that sound better?'
If I study the dynamic that allows 20% of us to own 93% of all fiancnail wealth, I want the king to come back and own it all?
You might like to read the site I mention in the more info and get a few facts on how the elite use their wealth and power to run America, to gain more wealth and power for themselves and how that effects every one of us every day.
@nbutler777 .. on earth. I know Jesus said Woe to the rich, thay have already recieved theor comfort and it is nearly impossible for a rich man to enter, but you know that, too. We have 44 milllion Americans today below the poverty line (22K a yr for a family of 4). These are who our Father tell us to tend. As the Elite use their Corps to remove more and more of our wealth, it is sad that Christians can not stand up for the oppressed or they are called socialists.
@nbutler777 Do you question my Christianity because I talk a bou the issue we have in America today with the distribution of wealth? When Jesus said you will always have the poor, he did not follow that up with, so don't feed or tend them. He taught us that the ONLY way to enter His kingdom was to tend the least of these. The distribution of wealth and power in America is one of the main couses of rising poverty. Very important. I have taken a vow of simnplicity, I don't store up treasure .....
Here are a few of the Anti- wealth policies of the Federal Govt. 1) Federal Reserve having a long term, low interest rate policy. This makes thrift not pay off, makes going into debt easy. Encouraging debt, discouraging saving is perverse, for wealth creation. 2) These low interest rates also make investments that are not wise, appear wise, because they are cheap. This is perverse, causes mal -investment. 3) Tax labor, discouraging labor.
@luvcheney1 4) Tax savings by taxing interest earned, dividends, Cap gains. Discourages thrift, investment 5) Give interest deduction for mortgage interest paid, encouraging debt 6) Ignoring Privatization of Social Security, which would put financial assets into the hands of the avg guy. Hope, please make the case for taking $700,000 from the avg guy, and paying him $1200 a month for a few years, denying him financial assets.
@HopeForPeaceNow Hope, you have not said why you do not support Social Security Privatization, which would allow the average guy ( who you support, supposedly) to accumulate very significant financial assets. I know why though. Both you and I know the average poor person is poor for a reason.
'Both you and I know the average poor person is poor for a reason. "
Is I "poor for a reason"?
"My point was that the wealthiest plutocrats now actually control a greater share of the pie in the United States than in historically unstable countries like Nicaragua, Venezuela and Guyana." 11/17/10 NYT
Wealth inequality spikes while you defend the prepetrators. Unable to realize the devistation of lives that you cause.
Will you still be on board when the top owns 95%? 98%?
@luvcheney1 7) Corporate taxes are the funniest of Lib "thought". Any cost imposed on business is paid by the customers, so the people buying gas, or corn flakes pay the corp tax rate FOR the corporation. Besides that obvious reality, our Rate at 39% ( Fed/State) is 15% higher than The average of the 31 OECD nations, so many corps just leave the US, pay a foreign nation, and pay the US zero. How clever of Libs. Destroy capital IN the US!
The answer to the entirety of your posts here is quite simple:
:This makes thrift not pay off"
1) 2/3 of our economy is consumer spending.
80% of us own 7% of all financial wealth.
As the ELite (NOT the GOV!) slowly REMOVES the wealth of the middle class, it becomes inpossible to spend to keep the economy going ... and save. Yes, No wealth creation for the middle class in this scenerio. This accounts for the middle class's debt level today.
@HopeForPeaceNow I totally agree with you, 100%, that the unholy alliance between Govt and Corporations is no good. Lobbying is a waste of good capital, and time, as well. What YOU are missing however, is the fact that this "alliance", lobbying and "Crony Capitalism" ( as we conservatives call it), would not exist in the first place, if the Govt would just keep their stupid noses out of the voluntary transactions between Free People, using their Liberties to choose who/what to do business with.
" if the Govt would just keep their stupid noses out of the voluntary transactions between Free People, using their Liberties to choose who/what to do business with.'
You are stating that greed regulates itself??
What kind of moron leaves the Power Grid alone with all the money and no rules, no supervision? It blows my mind the level of indoctrination and blindness they are able to manufacture in people for the love of money!
@HopeForPeaceNow Competition regulates itself, in a free market. Electricity is NOT a free market. It is regulated, by the Govt. That is precisely why the US is teetering on a future of severe electricity shortages. What business asks you to NOT use its product??? Doesnt that raise a red flag to YOU? Greedy profits cause an increase in supplies, as other Greedy corps want their piece too. Increasing supplies push prices down. Thats just economics, not indoctrination.
This is a Mises/Rand/Rothbard Austrian Economics idea.
In the 1920's it may have had some merit.
Today, 400 Corps create 70% of total profits. 20% of us own 93% of all financial wealth, have 3 mile high stacks of hundreds that they add to every day at your expence.
Saying natural business cycles and supply and demand can control that level of power is like saying militias can take on the US military (opps, you guys DO say that).
@HopeForPeaceNow The 500 corporations of the S&P 500 have a historical average return of profit in dividends to the owners of those 500 large corps of 6%. And you go on and on about exploitation? Do the math. This is just arithmetic. IF you make $1000 a week, and $500 goes to BIG EVIL corporations, that is $30 a week. About $77 goes to SS and Medicare. PLUS everything you buy has HIDDEN SS/MEDICARE tax in it too. Can you use a calculator?
@HopeForPeaceNow Govt regulates the price of electricity so low, that expansion of generating capacity is impossible, hence all the effort of electric companies to ask you NOT to use electricity. BTW, Microsoft could not be assured of enough electricity in Seattle, to run a plant, so they went to Canada. Now, the shortage has pushed rates for power above where they would be, because of lack of production of power generating capacity. Energy crisis formed by Govt.
@HopeForPeaceNow Lobbying is caused by the Govt. Businesses lobby, to enable to stay in business, in this country. If they win, they stay. If they lose, they are destroyed, or leave the country, to a friendlier location.
@HopeForPeaceNow You noting the economy is 2/3 consumer spending, proves my point. Every Fed policy pushing spending and debt, they have succeeded in creating a consumer consumption society IN DEBT. Of course, the rich are not so stupid as to listen to the Govt. They DO work at saving capital, and employing it successfully, in SPITE of Govt policies. My wife is 10 yrs in US, saw everyone refinancing, buying swim pools, new cars, spending, asking ME why I DID NOT! I am not stupid. I do NOT OBEY.
I hate how people (including this michael moore guy) talk about things like the distribution of wealth without even mentioning any kind of economic theory. Read a couple of books, then post a video. Thank you.
What makes you take for granted that Americans who do NOT believe that Elite brainwashing America into supporting the few removing the total wealth of the masses.... is beneficial.... have not read books on the subject??
What do you think of the Laffer curve? Mises? Natural business cycles? Swaps? CDOs? Austrian Economics?
Did you " Read a couple of books," before you posted a comment?
Bolivia has land, good for agriculture, energy reserves, mining assets. Because of Socialist policies, nationalizing industries, they can NOT even have water service to the poor! World Bank helps stupid countries, trying to get them in a more productive framework, and made water a condition for help. Bolivia has no capital, nor expertise. Bechtel was to provide that, for a 15% return. $20/mo for water caused riots. Bechtel left, unpaid. End of story. Thanks socialism, for poverty!
Please explain why a private corporation has an obligation to go invest capital that the Bolivian people, and Govt do not have, because they follow stupid socialist practices? A country is pretty bad when it cant even provide water. sSo, the EVIL corporation wants to invest, work, and then is not allowed to recoup investment. So, they go. Who will return? Nobody. Good, screw the commies.
@HopeForPeaceNow Because Bolivia is such a Socialist Miracle, THEY CANT give water to the poor. They are so Marxist, that when they sell off 50% of their Govt monopolies, they call THAT privatization! Free Market! The are dirt poor, because they are stupid, and socialist. Bechtel built, and was delivering water for $20 a month. Gee, I pay $100. The PROBLEM is that the poor there make $80 a month. This is NOT Bechtels fault. This is a stupid, indigenous, uneducated, populist country.
@HopeForPeaceNow You, Bolivia, Venezuela, and the Marxist African Nations CAUSE THEIR OWN poverty, through stupidity. The western nations, even though they have "mixed" economies, part capitalist, part Govt controlled can at LEAST get water piped to the poor. The poor in the US have 150 channels of color TV to multiple TV sets, drive cars, have refrigerators, can take a shit in their homes, flush the toilet. Your Socialist paradises cause poverty. 45 years of WAR ON POVERTY. Illegals succeed.
Hope, lets define some words. Poor people do NOT have wealth, by definition. If they had wealth, they wouldnt be poor. We dont take from anyone. If they want our service, they come, and pay us. Any other shmuck can compete against us. GM charge too much, cant make cheap cars at $75hr labor? The market would just kill them, Toyotas do not have that cost, in the South, nor Nissan. The market protects you. Oh, except NOW Obama wants YOU to bail out the UAW, not the market.
Yea, poor people are poor. Thanks for the info. Who is "we"??
What you miss day after day, is there is less and less to be "got", making a living is harder and harder. When more people compete for less resources it does NOT make it EASIER for each to scrape out a living. More and more people end up with zero. NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE LAZY... when there is zero left, ther eis zero left. There is NOT ENOUGH for those trying to live on the crumbs.
@HopeForPeaceNow I see, each country gets a fixed number of crumbs? What if one country feeds itself on rainfall, and men with hoes? And another has irrigation and huge combines, using super- seeds, and fertilizers from Monsanto? You are so full of it, so wrong! PEOPLE, with CAPITAL ( combines, not hoes, irrigation, not rain) INCREASE the quantity of crumbs.
@HopeForPeaceNow In Chiapas, Mex, they wait for rain, on small plots of land, just barely above starving growing corn. Here, even the poor feed Cheetos to their kids for breakfast. WQhy? Because greedy men invented internal combustion engines, greedy men made railroads, and combines. Greedy men made irrigation canals. Greedy men made food production increase, for profit, so you can feed your kids Cheetos. THEN, you say they have NO RIGHT to improve your life.
Because the US USES 25% of the WORLD's resources and has 3% of it's population!^&*%
I said that to you about 2 months ago. Try this one on. In Bolivia and Equador Bechtel Corp BOUGHT the rights to ALL water. Citizens were FINED for CATCHING rainwater. Peasants were forced to spend 1/4 of their earnings for water. THAT is the oppression YOU support!
Yea, our POOR are better off - we RAPE the entire planet and STEAL the resources we SHOULD be leaving for the next GENERATION!
@HopeForPeaceNow Hey, Bechtel left the country, lost $20 million there, The poor didnt have water. Bechtel was hired to make the infrastructure, to deliver water, to the poor too. The poor cant afford it, wont pay. Fine, Bechtel left, they still do not have water. And, they NEVER WILL, until they have an economy strong enough so they CAN PAY. But, since Bolivia likes nationalization, who will help? Nobody. Screw them! Marxist, stupid nations can figure it out themselves.
Do you ever read up and research before you spout your unquestioned support for Corporatoins?
"In Cochabamba five years ago, the water contract with Bechtel and the Abengoa Corporation of Spain paved the way for rate increases of double and more for poor water users." FORCED by World Bank, LOOSING their water supply due to melting glaciers (not, of course from global warming, DUH?)..the predation of Corps is all over this story.
"Those steep and sudden price hikes, needed in part to finance the 16 percent annual profit demanded by the companies. Protests leaving one teenage boy dead and more than 100 people wounded."
Will you give one of YOUR 5 children to die for Corps??
Parents all over the world watch their children murdered with your help.
"The promise of private investment has turned out to rely on market-rate pricing that the poor cannot afford.In El Alto the cost of getting a water and sewage hook-up exceeded a half-year's income at the minimum wage.The promise of skilled management turned out to be about corporate leaders willing to let the poor suffer."
"The rebellion in Cochabamba was setting off loud alarms, particularly among the major corporations in the global water business. This business has been booming in recent years-Enron was a big player, before its collapse-largely because of the worldwide drive to privatize public utilities."
Gives a whole new meaning to "give a cup of water to the least of these in My Name.
@HopeForPeaceNow The Govt there cant pay for water infrastructure. The people are poor, cant pay. So, the Govt wanted a private corp to invest, and build infrastructure, and they wanted 16% return on investment. The S&P 500 returned 11.4% over the last 40 years, reinvesting dividends, and that is for just investing, not building and operating too! Cochabanba cant have water for the poor, there is no money. Blame that on their pathetic, business hating Socialist model. You know, like you.
I say, as is logical and obvious... Corps and the Elite who built, own and run them... are eating up the NATURAL resources of the coming generations (generaltional theft) for THEIR OWn power and wealth NOW - taking more and more financial wealth FROM the masses (YOU CAN NOT DENY TRICKLE UP - Poverty is at an all time high!)..
.. THEN they teach the masses to blame the governemnt and remove Gov so as to have no rules and no supervision. You can't deny that either.
@HopeForPeaceNow You keep talking about resources, and the lack of them. What kind of resources are you referring to? If an immigrant can come over to this country, and start a successful business in 10 years... then were is the lack of "resource" in that situation? What's the answer liberals have? Raise Taxes, and force people to buy health insurance, under penalty (fine) of law. Great plan. How bout, cut taxes, putting more money in people's pocket. Less spending. Makes sense.
Hope, you stated to me you could be rich, but reject that as evil. Now, below, you admit to using food stamps, when you have claimed you could be rich? You could be paying taxes, instead of not. Instead, allow yourself to "need" help? You are the PERFECT example why nobody should lift a finger for the poor here. They CHOOSE it, are proud of it. Failure is nothing to find pride in. Illegals picking strawberries, sending cash home when they make $400/wk, bent over, now that is a thing to admire.
"You are the PERFECT example why nobody should lift a finger for the poor "
YOU are perfect example of "SCREW the poor, bless the the Elite. The poor can live under bridges and die in the street for all Republican jesus cares".
As a single mother/RE agent, I lost my house and about 130K and everything I owned. I was put on disability for a health issue, yet no disability was avail as I had not known to pay in as an RE agent.
@HopeForPeaceNow Oh Please! Timmy Gietner said he didnt know how to fill out a form SE for Social Security either. Pay your SS tax? I do, we have a small business. I can give you the forms for DI, and Unemployment insurance for CA, if you want to enroll. Just ask. Too late NOW, to pay taxes, eh? How convenient. Thought you just told me, you were so smart, YOU, and EVERYONE else knew about the crash! Guess not, eh? I have a home too, it never had a mortgage on it. I can afford zero.
I warn you once more, you will be judged for every word.
"They CHOOSE it, are proud of it."
You believe that the Elite removing the wealth of the masses is NOT a cause of poverty, instead poverty is a choice to fail. I can tell you over and over, day after day, the facts... as I do. You cling more tightly to your misunderstanding.
I must admit, though, your material is great for proving the point that we are here for.
So, from what you are saying, you obviously believe there is something wrong with people who make millions of dollars. I do not agree with you. Most people that come to this country, do so because of the freedom to make create a life for yourself. A life in which you can put in hard work, and reap the rewards that come with that hard work. Thats why you'll see an immigrant, only 5 years later, making 300 K a year. Many American's have this false precept of 'entitlement just because'.
@HopeForPeaceNow 15% of the American people have zero, or negative net worth! But, illegals can come, with no English, 6th grade educations, and get jobs, and live here, supporting themselves. Then, they SAVE money too, sending it into Mexico. Only petroleum is a greater source of foreign exchange to Mexico, than remittances from US illegals. What is obvious, is the poor are OK with poverty, when they could escape it. But, they are trapped into being dependent, and believe trash like you sell.
@HopeForPeaceNow Actually, at the 25th percentile, those folks have $330,000 in net worth. Using home equity, which is the greatest source of wealth, for the average guy. Thats why YOU omit it! Omit the greatest source of wealth? Slime. Illegals support themselves, and send money home too. Sure its less, so? They still send cash OUT. The live here AND send it out. 15% of Americans live here, and havent 15 cents net worth! Lazy? Stupid? Incompetent? OBVIOUSLY inferior to illegals........
"greatest source of wealth, for the average guy."
67% IN FACT!
The average WHITE GUY! Check homeownership levels, as I have said to you 4 or 5 times, for blacks/latinos.
I use "financial wealth" becaus eit is the most stark #. Yet, the "right" will NEVER oppose the Elite in their ownership of whatever they can take. If I said that 20% of us own 98% and 80% of us own 2%.. not one of you would care. It would NOT change your mind, you are THAT indoctrinated. Horribly DANGEROUS!!!
@HopeForPeaceNow Well, at least you provided me with your position. Have you ever lived on food stamps? Filed for government assistance with the Housing Department? I have. And THEY (the government) don't help one bit. They do not care in the least. And you know what, it isn't their responsibility,either!
Its a false sense of entitlement, that doesn't help anyone. Especially those who need it. And it points people's dependancy towards man and not were it belongs, on God.
@HopeForPeaceNow Progressives, like Obama and Pelosi, want people to be totally dependent on Government. For everything. This gives them the power that they so desperately desire to have. And some people are happy to do it, as long as they get a little piece of that elusive pie they keep hearing about. How is penalizing someone, for not having health insurance, helpful to the middle class? How is taxing the middle class TRILLIONS helping the middle class? How bout less spending?!!
"Progressives, like Obama and Pelosi, want people to be totally dependent on Government. For everything."
This is a pathetic lie formulated to raise your hatred of anyone non-Conservative.
HOW DOES LOW TAXES for the ELITE help the Middle class who had a 0% pay raise as Elite had 73% pay increase?
HOW IS removing financial resources FROM the MIDDLE CLASS and then blaming the middle class and requiring the middle class to pay for the poverty created by the top... helpful to the middle class??
@HopeForPeaceNow Where's the lie, Hope? Are you telling me Obama's desire for a single payer healthcare system is not forced government reliance? Putting private corporations out of business, by regulating them into extinction? That is abuse of government power, to assert a FAILED ideology. How can you complain that the wealthy get tax breaks? They're already paying MOST of their income thru taxes. By your reasoning, wouldn't you be happy that they make MORE money, to pour into taxes?
" forced government reliance" Are you aware of the resaons many DESIRE a single payer plan (US = only developed nation w/privatized healthcare, ranks 37th in care with the second highest price) ?
It is NOT because they desire the nation to need a nanny. That is a propaganda spin put on the facts to garner your support for Corps governing your healthcare. You, like many, buy the propaganda without researching it.
What are the benefits of single payer? You must know since you oppose it?
"Putting private corporations out of business, by regulating them into extinction?"
Another line of lies manufactured to gain your support for leaving the Elite alone with the majority of the wealth and profit and NO rules and NO supervision. Through the "right' media base, you are programmed to oppose all regs, which is Conservative policy.
In THIS way, we see that the Republican platform perfectly mirrors the Corp platform...
Income tax for Buffet is lower than his secratary.. look it up... 17%.
IN FACT, the top 20% pays the MAJORITY of our total bill. No problem for them. Thay can cover 73% of all our tax base...... and STILL OWN 93% of ALL financial wealth, AND take another .12% every year...
.. WHILE maintaining stacks of $100 bills that are 3 MILES high. Literally.
They simply lie to the public thru their media Corps!
@HopeForPeaceNow Your ideology is not even remotely based in facts NOR reality in the slightest. Do you know that it is conservatives that give more of their income to charities than do Liberals? Check out the statistics. liberals are less giving individuals. More liberals are atheists than conservatives. NO conservative leans towards socialism nor marxism. But a GREAT many liberals do. Do you see people crossing the ocean on rafts and ocean containers to escape America? Get real.
"Your ideology is not even remotely based in facts NOR reality"
?? What IS my ideology?
You mean the Progressive agenda is not based in reality?
Check the Conservative platform next to the Corporate agenda: 1) Removal of all regulation, leave the Elite alone with no rules and no supervision 2) Pax Americana for the military/indistrial complex 3)removal of all aide for the poor 4) tax cuts for the 20% of us that own 93% of financial wealth, on & on.
"Christians" of today have been brainwashed into worshipping Republican jesus. "Don't feed the poor, it makes them lazy" "Hold on to your guns and your religion" "Love your eney, unless he is a Democrat" "Do not bear false witness against your neighbor, unless you are trying to get elected or go to war" "Blessed are the wealthy" "No one comes to the Father unless he votes Republican" "blessed are the occupiers" "Woe to the poor".
@HopeForPeaceNow Do you put your political believes before your relationship/beliefs in God and His word? Do you agree with abortion? Homosexuality? Most of the irrational REGURGITATED accusations you listed above, is exactly the mindless reasoning that liberals subscribe to. I'm NOT a liberal, because disagree with most of their beliefs. I don't cling to guns, NOR trees. Are you really a Christian? Do you cling to God? I'm being sincere.
1) Support freemarket war (occupation for control of resources = 500,000 dead just in Iraq), destruction of earth for profit, nuclear proliferation, the Elite owning 93% of wealth and having MORE tax cuts, removal of all aide for the poor CAUSED by TRICKLE UP economics, removal of unions and the minimum wage, removal of all rules and supervision FROM the Eiltes and their Corps and oil Coprs keeping us addicted to a dwindling resource, cheap oil and the 24/7 lie machine...
2) RETAKE the government FOR the people, REMOVE Corporate interests FROM the Gov, REMOVE ALL Corporate lobbyists/Campaign contributions. OPPOSED 100% by Cons.
KEEP GOV transparent, honest and working IN THE BEST INTERST of the people. I believe ALL should BENEFIT from the system WE all participate in, NOT just a FEW!
THIS IS WHAT the Forefathers set up.
REMOVE gov and give the ELite no rules and NO supervision is NOT what they destined us for! OBVIOUSLY!
"Do you put your political believes before your relationship/beliefs in God and His word?"
What amazes me is Christians fall for "Hold on to your guns and your religion" (Palin)
If you believe predation, occupation, love for the wealthy and hatred for the poor, lying, the Elite with no rules and no supervision, NRA, killing off our species for the profits of the few, support for Corps over people.......... is "Jesus" ... you may want review His teachings.
Amazes me that they can sell so many of your this idea that anyone who is non-conservative is a social/commu/fasist/athiest.
It is simply erroneous. I submit that just as many conservatives would like to remove all Muslims through holy war. You have just as many whack jobs on your side as anyone else.
We also use 25% of the world resources for 3% of it's population, No one wants to leave here, we have all the STUFF!
@HopeForPeaceNow Why would conservatives want to remove Muslims? Where do you get this stuff? Do you know about the Muslim religion? What religion where in do you see the most followers flying airplanes into buildings, or strapping bombs to teenagers backs? But don't dare say anything against Islam. Christianity is OK, but don't touch Islam. They'll shoot you down in the street (like Theo Van Gogh). But thats just the radicals. ...well, where are the moderates? Why are they silent.
"What religion where in do you see the most followers flying airplanes into buildings,'
Do you deny America's hands are just as bloody? Who funded the Taliban first? Al quaeda? We have been IN the Middle East ensuring our access to cheap oil since the '50's. Did WE KILL ANYONE to ensure that control??
Interesting that GOD put OUR oil UNDER THEIR sand!! We desire CONTROL, as whites always have, over resources of other people. It is simple to see and NOT supported by Jesus.
We pledged OUR support for Saudi Family 45 years ago.
It was Saudis who flew the planes, led by a Saudi leader. Yet we let all Saudis out of the country without question on 9/12, invade IRAQ! Look up Carlisle Group... Bin Ladens have all their $ tangled up with the Bush's.
Don;t EVER think our hands are clean! STUDY, mAn. YOur eternity depends on it!
WAR between radicals. Radical "Christains" vs radical Muslims. Moderates are not heard here for the same reason they are not heard there.
@HopeForPeaceNow Do you think you are a moderate? There is no way that you are, just from hearing the rhetoric you've espoused to. I don't for one second, agree with any of the lies you have just posted. And the quote, you love to repeat about people clinging to guns and religion- was said by Obama, who is indeed an atheist. By the way, do you cling to God? You haven't answered that one. Are you a Christian? Do you dislike white people? If you do, then you have been indoctrinated.
Please tell me WHICH policy the "right" does NOT support - Pax Americana?? Tax cuts for the rich? Removal of aide for the poor? Removal of all rules and supervision from the ELite, denial of man's impact on the earth and support for deregulation of every kind, reliance on oil.. WHICH of those is NOT a Connie platform??
BTW, I don't ESPOUSE the FACTS that I put forth, I researched and WRITE them myself...please, which is untrue?
You spin, which is typical. Obama's statement was AGAINT... Pailin stated they "are not afraid to" being FOR Guns and God. You can't deny that. Are you trying to claim that it is Obama who mixes guns and religion?
" who is indeed an atheist." Horse shit. Amazes me how Connies spout lie after lie with no regard or respect.
What makes you think that because I am NOT Conservative I "hate white people" and God?? Indoctrinated?
@HopeForPeaceNow The ELITE, are liberal progressives that manipulate the system to reach their own desired base ends. What do you call left wing, BILLIONAIRE George Soros?! What do you get a guy who has everything? How bout more power. Power to shape this country into what ELITE atheists like Soros want this country to be. Socialism doesn't work. History has proven that. Rich people aren't the problem, unless you're talking about leftist elites like Soros and Pelosi.
You are claiming that every person in the top 20% is a Democrat??
Yea, uuhhhuhh.. too inane to respect with an answer.
I would claim the Elite use their 5 media Corps that own 100% of mainstream media, to steer the public into support for deregulation, warmaking, nuclear proliferation, hatred of the environment, removal of all aide for the poor and destruction of worker.
" that manipulate the system to reach their own desired base ends".
The desired ends of the Corporate Elite are:
1) 100% deregulation in all sectors ... envoronmental, financial, food chain(Austrian Economics, liassez faire, Free Market)
Leave the Elite alone w/no Rules, No Supervision.
2) Pax Americana... Use of military force to accomplish US Power Objectives. Now made, by CHeney, into Free MArket Warmaking with US Private COrps raping the taxpayer. Occupation for profit.
"" that manipulate the system to reach their own desired base ends".
3) Removal of all aide for the poor ... "Don't feed the poor, it makes them lazy" The poor are poor because they choose to be lazy. The poverty rate in the US has spikes because the poor have "a feeling of entitlement".
4) The idea that we are too poor to regulate polluting Corporations. We would rather be dead than poor and man has no impact on the earth..
.. ALL Connie PROPAGANDA used to steer us to our deaths!
THAT is POWER! Wanna talk power? What does it take to lie a nation into a $3 TRILLION $ war with 500,000 dead?? To raise the Corp that you were CEO of into 18th place from 73rd in 6 months? Inventing the privitization of warmaking in 1992 w/ a $9 million contract for KBR to see if they could replace the military and ad in a profit margin to the battlefield. THAT is POWER!
Or Murdock/Ailes w/ their 24/7 HATE OBAMA channel!
" ELITE atheists like Soros want this country to be."
Like the Conservative "right" is actually Christian;
"Hold on to your guns and your religion" Republican jesus channeled through Sarah Palin.
Is Holy War part of The Original Jesus' agenda? "Love your enemies, unless your oil is under their sand, then feel free to invade, occupy and kill as many as you can"Rj
Is locking up gays, as the "right" supports in Uganda, the change you are looking for??
" Socialism doesn't work. History has proven that."
Is anyone who is not Conservative a socialist?
Even William Buckley understood that was a ridiculous claim.
Obama is NOT a socialist..... WHY does the left hate him? Watch Amy Goodman (Any idea who that is?) bash him for NOT representing PROGRESSIVE legislation.
It's just another lie used by the ELite to garner your vote for their policies through the Republican platform.
@HopeForPeaceNow Why socialism? Gee, I don't know, probably because so many of those in Obama's administration, hold marxist dictators in high praise. Various Socialist and Communist groups push for his re-election. Do I know what benefits the new Obamacare package entails? If I was a typical American, I'd know about as much as Pelosi revealed when she said that we have to pas the bill to find out whats in it. Amy Goodman, yeah a far left PR caster.
" those in Obama's administration, hold marxist dictators in high praise."
Regurgitator. Check out "The FAmily", the "chritian" base for the Tea Party. They hold Bin Laden, Hitler and Mao in high regard. LOOK IT UP! Doug COE! Did ANY FAR RIGHT GRUOP EVER puch ofr Bush's re-election??
Yea, AS I SAID - IF Obama is a socialsit, WHY DOES THE LEFT HATE HIM???
You forgot to answer that.
"Democracy Now" sticks to facts, Faux news manufactures votes for THE Corp agenda!
" Rich people aren't the problem, unless you're talking about leftist elites like Soros and Pelosi. "
Come on. The to 20% owning 93% fo all financial wealth is no problem??
Right. Wealth does NOT create power and more power does NOT create more wealth. The top 20% is NOT eating up the wealth of the middle class. ???*&%^%!
The Elite can rip you off right in front of your face and you support it! IN fact the rise in poverty in America is directly linked to the rise in wealth inequality! READ!
Lets assume that private contractors in the war effort peel potatoes, as you Stated. Lets also assume private contractors should not be used in the military, because they make obscene profits. ( 2009 Halliburton made 7.9% after tax, and KBR made 3%). wow. If we remove them from working for the military, will the potatoes peel themselves? Should we make the military bigger, reduce time off for soldiers, draft potato peelers, make soldiers who are currently killing bad guys into potato peelers?
you have no right to other people's money, no matter how much they have
WappsOps 2 weeks ago
"you have no right to other people's money, no matter how much they have' WappsOps
Well said!
Yet they ahev removed 13% of our total wealth.
WHO WILL STOP THEM????
HopeForPeaceNow 2 weeks ago
The founding fathers left Wealth Distribution to the private sector.
AthenasConquest 1 month ago
@AthenasConquest
Mercy, not sacrifice.
Follow this teaching or die.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 month ago
You are in way over your head, ding bat. Take an economic course for crying out loud, you don't know what you are talking about.
bluegsp 5 months ago
bluegsp, you are in way over your head, ding bat. Take an economic course for crying out loud, you don't know what you are talking about.
Tell us why the Estate tax should be called the death tax?
Death applies to 100% of us.
Estate tax applies to 2% of us.
The same 2% that has dupes you into supporting their agenda.
Troglodyte.
HopeForPeaceNow 5 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow It really is sad how pathetically juvenile and intellectually vacuous you are. The fact that you feel compelled to repeat what I say proves that you have an intellect of a 6 year old.
The Estate tax is a tax levied on you when you die, that is why it is called a "death tax" The assets that someone accumulates over their life have already been taxed and the government has no business taxing it again when you die. That is obscene and immoral.
bluegsp 5 months ago
"It really is sad how pathetically juvenile and intellectually vacuous you are. " bluegsp
No, sir, it is sad to see a grown up try to discourse with a 5th grade bully mentality. Whatever you use to mock me can be just as easily applied to you.
HopeForPeaceNow 5 months ago
"The Estate tax is a tax levied on you when you die,"
You're a fucking moron.
"For deaths occurring in 2011, up to $5,000,000 can be passed from an individual upon his or her death without incurring estate tax."
GO LOOK IT UP!
Fucking moron conservatives lying like bastards, scaring the shit out of everyone so they vote for less taxes for the Elite.
Frank Luntz coined "death tax" (I bet you have no idea who HE is) for poor suckers like you.
Go home before you make a fool of yourself.
HopeForPeaceNow 5 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow You are a "fucking moron'" you cunt.
The estate tax is a death tax imposed when you die, that has nothing to do with the exemption amount. I don't care if the exemption is 10 billion, the principle is still the same and does not change the evil of taxing money that has already been taxed, idiot. You are the one making a fool of yourself and I am loving every minute of exposing you lying propaganda bullshit.
bluegsp 5 months ago
"You are a "fucking moron'" you cunt." bluegsp
Try this:
See that empty box in the right hand of your browser? It's called a search.
Type in "Estate tax" and READ.
Fool.
Death apples to 100% of us. The Estate Tax applies to 2% of us.
You are the one making a fool of yourself and I am loving every minute of exposing you lying propaganda bullshit.
Try reading. Go, now, look it up.
HopeForPeaceNow 5 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Show me where I said that the death tax applies to 100% of us. It doesn't matter if it only effects one person, it is still an immoral tax, you stupid cow.
Do you have a point to your little quiz? or is it just more inane ramblings of incoherent thoughts.
bluegsp 5 months ago
"The Estate tax is a tax levied on you when you die, that is why it is called a "death tax" The assets that someone accumulates over their life have already been taxed and the government has no business taxing it again when you die. " bluegsp
"Do you have a point to your little quiz?"you
"Lets try your knowledge level." me
Read often?
You obviously know less than I do. Simple proof.
Now, I won't be answering you again until you give it a shot. Maybe you can answer just one.
HopeForPeaceNow 5 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Another incoherent post from you. All you seem capable of doing is repeating what I say, then you add a bunch of gibberish. Here's an idea, try to have a "point", it makes it much more interesting for the reader.
XD
bluegsp 5 months ago
@bluegsp
Lets try your knowledge level. See if you can answer ever 2 or 3 of these:
Who was Bremer, what did he do in Iraq? Who was Chalabi? What was the Iraq NIE? What was the OSP? Who was Goldsmith? Who gave the PDB in 2002? What is the Gini Index? How much are derivatives worth today? Whats a credit default swap? Who is Arnell, what did he invent? Who are Wallison and Pinto? WHo coined "jobcreators"? Who is Frank Luntz? What is AEI? The CFPB?
Pick a few, if you think YOURE so smart?
HopeForPeaceNow 5 months ago
you may not be rich but i doubt your poor. i dont think theres any poor people in lesbiania(santa cruz).
are you ok with your kids having to sell the house you worked hard and paid taxes on for(at a short sale) because of marxist democrats implementing taxes where they shouldnt??????
adolfarrakahane 7 months ago
implying that an inheretance should be taxed equal to that of an annual income. theres your hypocrisy rooted in marxism. the estate tax limit is set high to protect poor people.
if some one whos poor inherits a sizable estate thats already had its taxes paid thats been in the family for 150 years, presently they get to keep it.
under your marxist plan they have to sell it. but you ok with that because private property is un proletariat and any who has some should be punished.
adolfarrakahane 7 months ago
@adolfarrakahane "under your marxist plan they have to sell it. but you ok with that because private property is un proletariat and any who has some should be punished"
What a load of horse shit. Beck's explanation of the Estate tax supposed it applies to everyone. His normal spin. I was demonstrating his lie - and you tell me all liberals want to punish all property owners because I state a fact.
This is a great example of the lie machine of which you are a cog.
HopeForPeaceNow 7 months ago
"wwhen i die you come in my house and take stuff out of my house and give it to people who dont deserve it." he's talking about the estate tax, this applies to people who only make three and a half million dollars a year."
theres a prime example of scary liberal deception. trying to imply that estate income is the same category as a work income. cont>
adolfarrakahane 7 months ago
@adolfarrakahane
"he's talking about the estate tax, this applies to people who only make three and a half million dollars a year.""
"trying to imply that estate income is the same category as a work income"
I am stating the criteria by which Estate tax is figured. It's a simple fact. I have to mention the income level because THAT IS HOW IT"S DETERMINED. Jeez. You guys never fail to fight hard for the rights of the elite to rip us off.
HopeForPeaceNow 7 months ago
and further more on the marginal theory of diminishing utlity as i said i think the tax system benefits those at the top at the expense of those directly below them so when you make the tax structure progressive you are just helping those with teh most wealth utility wise and will continue to exacerbate wealth stratification. Also these 500 limits are getting burdensome for formatting if you will correspond via im it would be easier, thanks.
rayyf69 10 months ago
On various sources, I concluded that the top 20% own 96% of wealth.
PacificCircle1 10 months ago
Have you considered the problem is that the state itself enables the rich to keep their money via labyrinthine tax policy and lobbying ? In fact it is lobbying that demonstrates that you cannot escape the market but you can grant market privilege to few people by relegating a lot of power to a small group of people. Also wouldn't the progressive tax system grant those with more money in identical brackets higher utility constraining market competitiveness and insuring wealth inequalities?
rayyf69 11 months ago
@rayyf69 correction. those that compete economically in identical brackets would be taxed at the similar % that doesn't take into account the utility to begin with. Those that have less money in teh same brackets would potentially suffer higher utility losses then those with more money making the progressive tax system exacerbate wealth disparities within brackets ultimately leading to the richer individual having less utility loss and obtaining advantaged position in the market from that.
rayyf69 11 months ago
@rayyf69 100% agree on lobbying.
I contest that the rich have an advantaged position by definition, not by utility.
The dynamic of forcing them to benefit those who benefit them (because they will NOT do this unless forced, history proves..Progressive era as 1 example) by creating the economy by the sweat of their backs is best implemented through taxation.
Can you think of a better way?
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow 1 Yes I would minimize the role of the state in market interference as the state seems to benefit the rich more then the poor. The notion that the poor or a benevolent central planner will guide state institutions to an equilibrium of maximum fairness doesn't seem reasonable at all. By what mechanism would this be achieved ?
rayyf69 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Also while i'll agree the those with less resources would be better off with more resources it seems obvious to me that what's relevant to teh motivations of recipients of cash payments is "HOW" they obtain it. I 't think transfers for the sake of leveling are corrosive. Organisms seem to engage in risk offsetting and if somebody is providing you wealth the costs of your failures are discounted making failure cheaper. Society should make individuals internalize their failures.
rayyf69 10 months ago
"Society should make individuals internalize their failures. "
Should we make the jobcreators internalize their failures?
44mil poor today in the US. 15 mil fully unemployed, 10 mil underemployed=19 million working poor. % of non-poor working 2 jobs is up by 26%. Working 3 jobs up by 12%.
The "right" cries the poor are lazy. In fact, as our wealth moves upward, there is simply less and less to share below. It is the "right"s constant chant that the poor are lazy that is the injustice.
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow "Should we make the jobcreators internalize their failures?" ABSOLUTELY we should!!! I never said anyting about the poor being lazy, i said receiving aid perverts incentives. I believe that is the case if your poor or you own a million dollar company and receive market power from teh government in teh form of regulatory interference. I don't recognize the equation that the poor are good and the rich or bad or the opposite notion. Your assets have no bearing on your virtue.
rayyf69 10 months ago
@rayyf69
"receiving aid perverts incentives"
Keep in mind, for every .1% we loose of financial wealth 1-2 more million of us slip under the poverty line. The jobcreators are creating jobs overseas. There are less and less resources for more and more people, a dynamic created by our wealth moving upward.
Is it your position that those who use and have for generations used the US system to create their wealth have no responsibility to the poor their removal of our wealth creates?
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow on "responsibility to the poor". This is not a meaningful statement. The poor are not a homogenous group with equal virtue. Benefits should be proportional to contributions. Some individuals that are rich do not deserve their wealth but some poor in society do deserve their impoverishment. We need a METHOD to determine who deserves what, waht is that method?
rayyf69 10 months ago
@rayyf69 2 if your method is looking at incomes and then transferring wealth based on income levels i find that arbitrary and that doens't address who is creating value and who is consuming it. I understand your instinct to quickly assault the rich, but i find that approach to simplistic and potentially dangerous. I want to know who is producing value in society and who is consuming it. Especially who si producing value. Now will you determine this democratically, or appoint elites to find out?
rayyf69 10 months ago
@rayyf69 "if your method is looking at incomes and then transferring wealth based on income levels"
I've never advocated that or read anyone who has. The simple adjustment of tax code is obvious. The ELite also have $11 Trillion offshore untaxed. Gee, that's nearly the national debt. Hmmm.
"assault the rich" Is returning tax rates to previous levels and assalt?
Producing value? Would that be the workers??
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow "Producing value? Would that be the workers??" Waht workers? all workers equally ? That's not reasonable as all workers to not produce equal output regardless of if the rich are gaming the system. Just because the rich can benefit disproportionally doesn't mean i want the poor to also. Also you must realize by now i don't see taxation as the issue it's regulation and intervention. Taxation doesn't not accurately respond to who is producing value. It hits income margins.
rayyf69 10 months ago
@rayyf69
""responsibility to the poor""
So, the American way is for the powerful to remove the resources of the powerless and bear no responsibility?
The migration upward of the middle class's wealth has been accomplished through tax cuts.
What's your idea?
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow I think you already know my idea. It's removing the tools the wealthy use to consolidate their wealth and those tools i believe are the state. By limiting the state's ability to intervene in teh market you reduce their ability to generate monopoly profits. Welfare fr teh rich is bad as it perverts their incentives to provide good services. Welfare for teh poor is just as bad as it reduces their incentives to become autonomous, That also ensures the rich keep fortify their positn
rayyf69 10 months ago
@rayyf69
"receiving aid perverts incentives." Jesus?
Who would Jesus feed?
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
"make the jobcreators internalize their failures?"
BECAUSE of the ownership of our government BY our Corporations, through conservative legislation (lack of anti-monopoly regulation) US firms got so large (as they are still today) that their failure would have taken down the world economy. Losses from 2008 = $11 Trillion. W/o stabilization, $67 Trillion is the estimate. ACTUAL Domino effect (Thanks LBJ) The losses to the middle class occur avec OR sans gov bailouts.The Elite DON'T Loose!
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow market power is created by teh state via legislation and many monopolies owe their existence to state intervention. and stabalization must be payed for eventually just as heroin addiction must be. Also Corporations "limit liability" just as teh welfare state limits the liability of those that obtain benefits. So i repeat individuals should internalize their failures regardless of their stratification. I do not wish to make failure cheaper unless its' offloaded to technology.
rayyf69 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow 3 on utility i have to disagree as welfare economics tends to employ utility metrics specifically to determine how policies should be crafted. If we consider utility reasonable metric for "making people better off" then the person who makes 20 million/yr vs person B who makes 7/million is at a utility advantage under a progressive tax structure as they lose less utility. This suggests to me the progressive tax is destructive to its' ends increasing utility at the top.
rayyf69 10 months ago
@rayyf69
"progressive tax" You are using 20% of the equation to determine utillity, ignoring the fact that utility is proportionally higher in the lower quintiles.
What would you replace progressive taxes with? Lower taxes for the top?
What do you think America will look like when the bottom 80% own 3% and 100 million of us live under the poverty line? What else could possibly result? Bush TCs have been around for 10 years. 2/3 of the jobs that group created were overseas!
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow while it can be argued that we are enhancing utility in the poorer individuals that is not relevant to my point. My point is that the progressive tax system disadvantages the super rich(SR) individual relative to a SR individual with slightly more money.Individuals with large amounts of wealth have utility advantage vs those with a fraction of the wealth of the SR, but who are still SR, leading to a utility advantage. If they r competitors this fortifies teh SR position
rayyf69 10 months ago
@rayyf69 "super rich(SR) individual relative to a SR individual with slightly more money."
This is the best argument you have to support the lowering of the top tax rate to 25% from 70%? This very tactic has CAUSED the trickle UP of our wealth. CAn the middle class comprehend that 15% is less than 18.9%? The reality of where our wealth is going is undebatable.
If you can subtract 15 from 18.9, it's clear.
No argument on utility will make that fact good for the middle class.
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow "best argument you have" you do understand the marginal theory of utility right ? That's the basis of my argument. i can't respond further.
and u dont' attribute perverse wealth stratification to regulatory interference and insulation from competitors via rent-seeking ? But earlier you lamented lobbying activity ? Consider its' a multivariate phenomenon, but consider transfer payments to the poor reduce teh costs of failure to them and keep them confined to crushing poverty.
rayyf69 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow I think in order to grasp my point you need to realize that the solution i envision is not contingent adjusting the correct marginal rate to tax people. It's about forcing the superrich to compete in the market, and not allowing them to defect or leave the market and enter the POLITICAL MARKET and engage in rent-seeking activity.
rayyf69 10 months ago
@rayyf69
"rent-seeking activity. " ???
Remove all Corporate lobbyists and campaign contributions? Yes.
Lower the top tax rate to 10%?
Pathetically stupid.
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow you won't remove lobbyists and "all pay auctions" are very difficult for the public to detect. The system as it stands is representative and any "political corruption" is largely shadowed by the information costs the public must navigate to obtain said info. And yes i would minimize taxes as much as possible as paying for goods and services via a coercive model is not an effective means to allocate resources efficiently and breeds moral hazard in institutions.
rayyf69 10 months ago
We need to get rid of the 16th amendment all unconstitutional government.Elect TEA party candidates . The rich are rich because work/income is taxed wealth is not taxed
AthenasConquest 11 months ago
@AthenasConquest
Your drivebys bore me.
thanks for the views, tho
HopeForPeaceNow 11 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow you have a new clone
AthenasConquest 10 months ago
about 45 % of the population works
AthenasConquest 10 months ago
@AthenasConquest
Do you have an overwhelming need to profess your ignorance?
Glad I can give you a platform.
Your stuff is great.
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Life is not a Carl Marx communist manifesto.Life is not fair yes you are a communist. 90% do not work. The working percentage is closer to 50%. You are unemployed and house less because of Osama our president and his business hating policy's.The war on poverty has taken about 60 years costs billions and is a total failure dittos for our communist educational monopoly.Thank you teachers union.
AthenasConquest 10 months ago
@AthenasConquest
"You are unemployed and house less " Athena
"You're an idiot" Hope says at her kitchen table after work.
Thanks for making that clear day after day.
"Thank you teachers union. " Athena
Oh, perfect. LOVE THIS!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!
You're a puppet, huh? You are just here to make the "right"/Wrong look stupid?
GREAT JOB!
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow I want to congratulate your Muslim president B Hussain Obama for successfully following president Bushes foreign policy keeping Gitmo Cuba open and starting a 3rd war Libya LOL lets not overlook osamas tax cuts for rich republicans by behavior Obama is Bush.
AthenasConquest 10 months ago
@AthenasConquest
Ever heard of a "period"? It looks like this ".". It goes at the end of sentences. I think they covered that in 2nd grade. You might want to review. When you write like a moron, people think you are a moron.
But, again, LOVE the stuff, lie on lie on lie. Perfect. Thanks. Please, keep it up. I'm doing a piece on how ignorant the "right" is. Yours is not my best stuff, but it's close. Luckily people with functioning brain capacity see through it.
You make my job so easy.
HopeForPeaceNow 10 months ago
@nbutler777 Yes, this is the "If we attempt to recover our lost resources they will punish us" myth.
It relies on the idea that we have no power over the top 20% and they can remove our resources by blackmailing us with higher prices.
Do you really fall for that?
The answer is simple. Tax framework that docks CEOs for creating jobs elsewhere while creating personal profit here, untaxed. If you think we have no power over that, what will stop them from owning 97%?
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
I know this is an old video, but I cant resist. Listen, Lady, unless you move in the near future, you will find yourself a resident of MEXIFORNIA. Now, I am not an expert, but I am guessing, the Mexicans will be able to teach you few things about redistributing wealth. That's the good news. The bad news? Your money will be re-distributed to the wealthy elites in Mexico.
Stwatubes 1 year ago
@Stwatubes
"Your money will be re-distributed to the wealthy elites in Mexico. "
This is the propaganda they sell you to ensure the robbed support the robbers.
If I was 9 I might fall for it.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago 2
@nbutler777
"So pretty much tax everything so that people don't have the strive to work hard anymore. "
??
How indoctrinated are you? You are FOR the middle class owning less and less? What makes you think NOT being ripped off makes people lazy??
Ummm, I said the 80% should own more of the total... how does owning 20% instead of 7% make people poorer???
Think much?
It is our Corp tax laws that SEND jobs overseas.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@nbutler777
3) Enact progressive tax policy. We just debated this in the Bush tax cuts.
Estate tax, (renamed "death tax" by Conservatives, tho it taxes 2% of AMericans while death pretty much effetcs 100% of us), capital gains taxes and dividend tax rates are the most logical. US taxes for Corps whose base is in the US. If you watch coverage of the Bush tax cuts debate, you will see Repub after Repub defend the very LOW rates in these areas. KNow about the Laffer curve?
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@nbutler777 The best historical balance as terms of middle class general prosperity and reduction of poverty was at 20%.. that is the bottom 80% owning 20% (not 7% as now) of financial wealth, the elite power grid owning 80%.
100% wealth distribution, which the "right"claims the godless progressives want.. would the be the top 20% owning 20%...of course, there is no "top" then. Such a reality is never mentioned, inferred, intentioned or embraced by the left on any level, at any time, in reality.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@nbutler777 Answer?
1) Remove all Corporate lobbyists from DC.
2) Remove all Corporate campaign contributions.
3) Enact progressive tax policy. We just debated this in the Bush tax cuts. The "right" named teh top 20% "jobcreators". Kept them at 35% income tax. The majority of jobs created have been overseas, where their Corps pay taxes. Not here. It is valid for the 80% to protest the trickle up of our wealth. The lower the % that we own, the more poverty, crime and struggle for resources.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@nbutler777
"How about in the olden days when the King owned 100% of everything. Does that sound better?'
If I study the dynamic that allows 20% of us to own 93% of all fiancnail wealth, I want the king to come back and own it all?
You might like to read the site I mention in the more info and get a few facts on how the elite use their wealth and power to run America, to gain more wealth and power for themselves and how that effects every one of us every day.
Let me know what you think.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@nbutler777 .. on earth. I know Jesus said Woe to the rich, thay have already recieved theor comfort and it is nearly impossible for a rich man to enter, but you know that, too. We have 44 milllion Americans today below the poverty line (22K a yr for a family of 4). These are who our Father tell us to tend. As the Elite use their Corps to remove more and more of our wealth, it is sad that Christians can not stand up for the oppressed or they are called socialists.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@nbutler777 Do you question my Christianity because I talk a bou the issue we have in America today with the distribution of wealth? When Jesus said you will always have the poor, he did not follow that up with, so don't feed or tend them. He taught us that the ONLY way to enter His kingdom was to tend the least of these. The distribution of wealth and power in America is one of the main couses of rising poverty. Very important. I have taken a vow of simnplicity, I don't store up treasure .....
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
Here are a few of the Anti- wealth policies of the Federal Govt. 1) Federal Reserve having a long term, low interest rate policy. This makes thrift not pay off, makes going into debt easy. Encouraging debt, discouraging saving is perverse, for wealth creation. 2) These low interest rates also make investments that are not wise, appear wise, because they are cheap. This is perverse, causes mal -investment. 3) Tax labor, discouraging labor.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 4) Tax savings by taxing interest earned, dividends, Cap gains. Discourages thrift, investment 5) Give interest deduction for mortgage interest paid, encouraging debt 6) Ignoring Privatization of Social Security, which would put financial assets into the hands of the avg guy. Hope, please make the case for taking $700,000 from the avg guy, and paying him $1200 a month for a few years, denying him financial assets.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Gov is in the back pocket of the Elite, as I have said to you many times.
Your answer is remove gov. Gov is evil. Greed regulates itself.
My answer is remove Corps from politics. Remove their lobbyists and campaign contrbutions. Done.
Of, by and for the people.
Conservatives oppose these reforms and stand proudly on the side of Corps over the public. Or sell the lie that the Corp agenda is the public agenda.
Our desimation is on your doorstep.
As I said.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Hope, you have not said why you do not support Social Security Privatization, which would allow the average guy ( who you support, supposedly) to accumulate very significant financial assets. I know why though. Both you and I know the average poor person is poor for a reason.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
'Both you and I know the average poor person is poor for a reason. "
Is I "poor for a reason"?
"My point was that the wealthiest plutocrats now actually control a greater share of the pie in the United States than in historically unstable countries like Nicaragua, Venezuela and Guyana." 11/17/10 NYT
Wealth inequality spikes while you defend the prepetrators. Unable to realize the devistation of lives that you cause.
Will you still be on board when the top owns 95%? 98%?
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 7) Corporate taxes are the funniest of Lib "thought". Any cost imposed on business is paid by the customers, so the people buying gas, or corn flakes pay the corp tax rate FOR the corporation. Besides that obvious reality, our Rate at 39% ( Fed/State) is 15% higher than The average of the 31 OECD nations, so many corps just leave the US, pay a foreign nation, and pay the US zero. How clever of Libs. Destroy capital IN the US!
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
"Any cost imposed on business is paid by the customers" Of course, customers pay business tax while CEOs make $30K an hour.
The only joke is that you fall for the "poor us, the top 1% that owns 24% of total wealth."
"How clever of Libs. Destroy capital IN the US!"
I would say = how clever of Connies. Making sure the wealthy own America while the people own nothing.
Your sarcasm and hatred wear just as well on your own back.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
The answer to the entirety of your posts here is quite simple:
:This makes thrift not pay off"
1) 2/3 of our economy is consumer spending.
80% of us own 7% of all financial wealth.
As the ELite (NOT the GOV!) slowly REMOVES the wealth of the middle class, it becomes inpossible to spend to keep the economy going ... and save. Yes, No wealth creation for the middle class in this scenerio. This accounts for the middle class's debt level today.
Simple.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow I totally agree with you, 100%, that the unholy alliance between Govt and Corporations is no good. Lobbying is a waste of good capital, and time, as well. What YOU are missing however, is the fact that this "alliance", lobbying and "Crony Capitalism" ( as we conservatives call it), would not exist in the first place, if the Govt would just keep their stupid noses out of the voluntary transactions between Free People, using their Liberties to choose who/what to do business with.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
" if the Govt would just keep their stupid noses out of the voluntary transactions between Free People, using their Liberties to choose who/what to do business with.'
You are stating that greed regulates itself??
What kind of moron leaves the Power Grid alone with all the money and no rules, no supervision? It blows my mind the level of indoctrination and blindness they are able to manufacture in people for the love of money!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Competition regulates itself, in a free market. Electricity is NOT a free market. It is regulated, by the Govt. That is precisely why the US is teetering on a future of severe electricity shortages. What business asks you to NOT use its product??? Doesnt that raise a red flag to YOU? Greedy profits cause an increase in supplies, as other Greedy corps want their piece too. Increasing supplies push prices down. Thats just economics, not indoctrination.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
"Competition regulates itself"
This is a Mises/Rand/Rothbard Austrian Economics idea.
In the 1920's it may have had some merit.
Today, 400 Corps create 70% of total profits. 20% of us own 93% of all financial wealth, have 3 mile high stacks of hundreds that they add to every day at your expence.
Saying natural business cycles and supply and demand can control that level of power is like saying militias can take on the US military (opps, you guys DO say that).
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow The 500 corporations of the S&P 500 have a historical average return of profit in dividends to the owners of those 500 large corps of 6%. And you go on and on about exploitation? Do the math. This is just arithmetic. IF you make $1000 a week, and $500 goes to BIG EVIL corporations, that is $30 a week. About $77 goes to SS and Medicare. PLUS everything you buy has HIDDEN SS/MEDICARE tax in it too. Can you use a calculator?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
You mis-read.
I said that the top 400 Corps produce 70% of our total GDP profit.
Good luck, you should look that one up and do a bit of research on the TRUTH of wealth distribution.
You ARE supporting your own financial rape.
Can YOU use a calculator?
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
""Competition regulates itself"
When average Americans (bottom 80%) produce only 30% of all National GDP profit...
... and own only 7% of all financial wealth..
...the concept that leaving the 20% who own 93% of all financial wealth ALONE..
... with only their power and wealth as rules, with consumerism instead of supervision...
... is stupid and dangerous.
We tried it recently. It blew up the world economy.
Swaps & subprimes, nearly 100% (non) regulated by AE.
Get eyes.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Govt regulates the price of electricity so low, that expansion of generating capacity is impossible, hence all the effort of electric companies to ask you NOT to use electricity. BTW, Microsoft could not be assured of enough electricity in Seattle, to run a plant, so they went to Canada. Now, the shortage has pushed rates for power above where they would be, because of lack of production of power generating capacity. Energy crisis formed by Govt.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Lobbying is caused by the Govt. Businesses lobby, to enable to stay in business, in this country. If they win, they stay. If they lose, they are destroyed, or leave the country, to a friendlier location.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow You noting the economy is 2/3 consumer spending, proves my point. Every Fed policy pushing spending and debt, they have succeeded in creating a consumer consumption society IN DEBT. Of course, the rich are not so stupid as to listen to the Govt. They DO work at saving capital, and employing it successfully, in SPITE of Govt policies. My wife is 10 yrs in US, saw everyone refinancing, buying swim pools, new cars, spending, asking ME why I DID NOT! I am not stupid. I do NOT OBEY.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
I hate how people (including this michael moore guy) talk about things like the distribution of wealth without even mentioning any kind of economic theory. Read a couple of books, then post a video. Thank you.
citarac 1 year ago
@citarac
What makes you take for granted that Americans who do NOT believe that Elite brainwashing America into supporting the few removing the total wealth of the masses.... is beneficial.... have not read books on the subject??
What do you think of the Laffer curve? Mises? Natural business cycles? Swaps? CDOs? Austrian Economics?
Did you " Read a couple of books," before you posted a comment?
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
Bolivia has land, good for agriculture, energy reserves, mining assets. Because of Socialist policies, nationalizing industries, they can NOT even have water service to the poor! World Bank helps stupid countries, trying to get them in a more productive framework, and made water a condition for help. Bolivia has no capital, nor expertise. Bechtel was to provide that, for a 15% return. $20/mo for water caused riots. Bechtel left, unpaid. End of story. Thanks socialism, for poverty!
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Please explain why a private corporation has an obligation to go invest capital that the Bolivian people, and Govt do not have, because they follow stupid socialist practices? A country is pretty bad when it cant even provide water. sSo, the EVIL corporation wants to invest, work, and then is not allowed to recoup investment. So, they go. Who will return? Nobody. Good, screw the commies.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
AGAIN, DO YOU READ UP before you answer?? The contract for Bechtel was part of a loan package from World Bank.
The Corp can
1)Raise rates so high the poor can't pay.
2)Make it a FELONY to collect rainwater
3)Leave 200,000 people W/O water
4)CAUSE RIOTS and death by those who HATE the "service" to the point they are willing to DIE to rid the COUNTRY OF BECHTEL..
... AND YOU WILL STILL DEFEND THE RIGHT OF THE CORPORATION TO PREY ON PEOPLE AND MOCK ANYONE WHO DISAGREES.
SICK & UNGODLY!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Because Bolivia is such a Socialist Miracle, THEY CANT give water to the poor. They are so Marxist, that when they sell off 50% of their Govt monopolies, they call THAT privatization! Free Market! The are dirt poor, because they are stupid, and socialist. Bechtel built, and was delivering water for $20 a month. Gee, I pay $100. The PROBLEM is that the poor there make $80 a month. This is NOT Bechtels fault. This is a stupid, indigenous, uneducated, populist country.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Thanks for that Capitalist Rant of Hate for The Poor.
As I said.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow You, Bolivia, Venezuela, and the Marxist African Nations CAUSE THEIR OWN poverty, through stupidity. The western nations, even though they have "mixed" economies, part capitalist, part Govt controlled can at LEAST get water piped to the poor. The poor in the US have 150 channels of color TV to multiple TV sets, drive cars, have refrigerators, can take a shit in their homes, flush the toilet. Your Socialist paradises cause poverty. 45 years of WAR ON POVERTY. Illegals succeed.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
mR. i love dick:
After weeks picking your brain, I find nothhing but love for wealth over love for people. Love for lies over love of truth. Greed, inequity and hate.
Again, as I said on day one, you are a perfect child of your Spiritual father.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
Hope, lets define some words. Poor people do NOT have wealth, by definition. If they had wealth, they wouldnt be poor. We dont take from anyone. If they want our service, they come, and pay us. Any other shmuck can compete against us. GM charge too much, cant make cheap cars at $75hr labor? The market would just kill them, Toyotas do not have that cost, in the South, nor Nissan. The market protects you. Oh, except NOW Obama wants YOU to bail out the UAW, not the market.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Yea, poor people are poor. Thanks for the info. Who is "we"??
What you miss day after day, is there is less and less to be "got", making a living is harder and harder. When more people compete for less resources it does NOT make it EASIER for each to scrape out a living. More and more people end up with zero. NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE LAZY... when there is zero left, ther eis zero left. There is NOT ENOUGH for those trying to live on the crumbs.
Hard work does not change the # of crumbs!!!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow I see, each country gets a fixed number of crumbs? What if one country feeds itself on rainfall, and men with hoes? And another has irrigation and huge combines, using super- seeds, and fertilizers from Monsanto? You are so full of it, so wrong! PEOPLE, with CAPITAL ( combines, not hoes, irrigation, not rain) INCREASE the quantity of crumbs.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
"You are so full of it, so wrong! PEOPLE, with CAPITAL ( combines, not hoes, irrigation, not rain) INCREASE the quantity of crumbs."
People with Capital use their capital to get FOR THEMSELVES, more capital. It's SO freaking easy to see.
IS it HARD to get that the AMSSES OWN LESS AND LESS OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT?? How is that reasoning hard for you??
Except that you have been so brainwashed that it is impossible for you TO reason??
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow In Chiapas, Mex, they wait for rain, on small plots of land, just barely above starving growing corn. Here, even the poor feed Cheetos to their kids for breakfast. WQhy? Because greedy men invented internal combustion engines, greedy men made railroads, and combines. Greedy men made irrigation canals. Greedy men made food production increase, for profit, so you can feed your kids Cheetos. THEN, you say they have NO RIGHT to improve your life.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
" WQhy"??
Because the US USES 25% of the WORLD's resources and has 3% of it's population!^&*%
I said that to you about 2 months ago. Try this one on. In Bolivia and Equador Bechtel Corp BOUGHT the rights to ALL water. Citizens were FINED for CATCHING rainwater. Peasants were forced to spend 1/4 of their earnings for water. THAT is the oppression YOU support!
Yea, our POOR are better off - we RAPE the entire planet and STEAL the resources we SHOULD be leaving for the next GENERATION!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Hey, Bechtel left the country, lost $20 million there, The poor didnt have water. Bechtel was hired to make the infrastructure, to deliver water, to the poor too. The poor cant afford it, wont pay. Fine, Bechtel left, they still do not have water. And, they NEVER WILL, until they have an economy strong enough so they CAN PAY. But, since Bolivia likes nationalization, who will help? Nobody. Screw them! Marxist, stupid nations can figure it out themselves.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Mr I Love dick:
Do you ever read up and research before you spout your unquestioned support for Corporatoins?
"In Cochabamba five years ago, the water contract with Bechtel and the Abengoa Corporation of Spain paved the way for rate increases of double and more for poor water users." FORCED by World Bank, LOOSING their water supply due to melting glaciers (not, of course from global warming, DUH?)..the predation of Corps is all over this story.
You prove the state of your soul day after day.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
"Those steep and sudden price hikes, needed in part to finance the 16 percent annual profit demanded by the companies. Protests leaving one teenage boy dead and more than 100 people wounded."
Will you give one of YOUR 5 children to die for Corps??
Parents all over the world watch their children murdered with your help.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
"Do unto other what you wuld have them do unto you" The Original Jesus The Christ
"Do unto others what you would have them do to you, unless you can make more money by killing them and taking their stuff" Republican jesus
"Tthe chief complaint about the Suez/World Bank privatization is that it left tens of thousands of poor families with no access to water whatsoever."
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
"The promise of private investment has turned out to rely on market-rate pricing that the poor cannot afford.In El Alto the cost of getting a water and sewage hook-up exceeded a half-year's income at the minimum wage.The promise of skilled management turned out to be about corporate leaders willing to let the poor suffer."
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
"The rebellion in Cochabamba was setting off loud alarms, particularly among the major corporations in the global water business. This business has been booming in recent years-Enron was a big player, before its collapse-largely because of the worldwide drive to privatize public utilities."
Gives a whole new meaning to "give a cup of water to the least of these in My Name.
You better school Him on that one, too.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow The Govt there cant pay for water infrastructure. The people are poor, cant pay. So, the Govt wanted a private corp to invest, and build infrastructure, and they wanted 16% return on investment. The S&P 500 returned 11.4% over the last 40 years, reinvesting dividends, and that is for just investing, not building and operating too! Cochabanba cant have water for the poor, there is no money. Blame that on their pathetic, business hating Socialist model. You know, like you.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
I say, as is logical and obvious... Corps and the Elite who built, own and run them... are eating up the NATURAL resources of the coming generations (generaltional theft) for THEIR OWn power and wealth NOW - taking more and more financial wealth FROM the masses (YOU CAN NOT DENY TRICKLE UP - Poverty is at an all time high!)..
.. THEN they teach the masses to blame the governemnt and remove Gov so as to have no rules and no supervision. You can't deny that either.
Clear and simple.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow You keep talking about resources, and the lack of them. What kind of resources are you referring to? If an immigrant can come over to this country, and start a successful business in 10 years... then were is the lack of "resource" in that situation? What's the answer liberals have? Raise Taxes, and force people to buy health insurance, under penalty (fine) of law. Great plan. How bout, cut taxes, putting more money in people's pocket. Less spending. Makes sense.
orenjiotoku 1 year ago
Hope, you stated to me you could be rich, but reject that as evil. Now, below, you admit to using food stamps, when you have claimed you could be rich? You could be paying taxes, instead of not. Instead, allow yourself to "need" help? You are the PERFECT example why nobody should lift a finger for the poor here. They CHOOSE it, are proud of it. Failure is nothing to find pride in. Illegals picking strawberries, sending cash home when they make $400/wk, bent over, now that is a thing to admire.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
"You are the PERFECT example why nobody should lift a finger for the poor "
YOU are perfect example of "SCREW the poor, bless the the Elite. The poor can live under bridges and die in the street for all Republican jesus cares".
As a single mother/RE agent, I lost my house and about 130K and everything I owned. I was put on disability for a health issue, yet no disability was avail as I had not known to pay in as an RE agent.
No doubt you would have prefered we starved.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Oh Please! Timmy Gietner said he didnt know how to fill out a form SE for Social Security either. Pay your SS tax? I do, we have a small business. I can give you the forms for DI, and Unemployment insurance for CA, if you want to enroll. Just ask. Too late NOW, to pay taxes, eh? How convenient. Thought you just told me, you were so smart, YOU, and EVERYONE else knew about the crash! Guess not, eh? I have a home too, it never had a mortgage on it. I can afford zero.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
I warn you once more, you will be judged for every word.
"They CHOOSE it, are proud of it."
You believe that the Elite removing the wealth of the masses is NOT a cause of poverty, instead poverty is a choice to fail. I can tell you over and over, day after day, the facts... as I do. You cling more tightly to your misunderstanding.
I must admit, though, your material is great for proving the point that we are here for.
But it will cost you your soul.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
When Jesus says in Mark 6
"Woe unto you that are rich"
The word "woe" is a "a primary exclamation of grief".
I grieve for what grieves Him.
You ARE what grieves Him.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
So, from what you are saying, you obviously believe there is something wrong with people who make millions of dollars. I do not agree with you. Most people that come to this country, do so because of the freedom to make create a life for yourself. A life in which you can put in hard work, and reap the rewards that come with that hard work. Thats why you'll see an immigrant, only 5 years later, making 300 K a year. Many American's have this false precept of 'entitlement just because'.
orenjiotoku 1 year ago
"something wrong with people who make millions of dollars."
This is the same tired argument I get from your indoctrinated side every time.
The "wrong" is a tiny MINORITy of people using their wealth and power to slowly REMOVE the wealth of the middle class, CREATING poverty.
Is that really so hard to get?
The TRUTH is less and less resources for more and more people does NOT BENEFIT the more people. Simple logic.
They brainwash y'all until you can't see it!
Research a bit.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow 15% of the American people have zero, or negative net worth! But, illegals can come, with no English, 6th grade educations, and get jobs, and live here, supporting themselves. Then, they SAVE money too, sending it into Mexico. Only petroleum is a greater source of foreign exchange to Mexico, than remittances from US illegals. What is obvious, is the poor are OK with poverty, when they could escape it. But, they are trapped into being dependent, and believe trash like you sell.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
"15% of the American people have zero, or negative net worth! "
And YOU believe that 20% of us OWNING 93% of all financial wealth as no impact on out POVERTY LEVEL!?
Remissions to families in Mexico have gone down by 67% since the meltdown.
Look it up.
To claim that Blacks have to need to struggle because illigals eek out 1/2 a living is ridiculous.
The US child poverty rate is second only to Mexico. Lazy parents!!??
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Actually, at the 25th percentile, those folks have $330,000 in net worth. Using home equity, which is the greatest source of wealth, for the average guy. Thats why YOU omit it! Omit the greatest source of wealth? Slime. Illegals support themselves, and send money home too. Sure its less, so? They still send cash OUT. The live here AND send it out. 15% of Americans live here, and havent 15 cents net worth! Lazy? Stupid? Incompetent? OBVIOUSLY inferior to illegals........
luvcheney1 1 year ago
"greatest source of wealth, for the average guy."
67% IN FACT!
The average WHITE GUY! Check homeownership levels, as I have said to you 4 or 5 times, for blacks/latinos.
I use "financial wealth" becaus eit is the most stark #. Yet, the "right" will NEVER oppose the Elite in their ownership of whatever they can take. If I said that 20% of us own 98% and 80% of us own 2%.. not one of you would care. It would NOT change your mind, you are THAT indoctrinated. Horribly DANGEROUS!!!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Well, at least you provided me with your position. Have you ever lived on food stamps? Filed for government assistance with the Housing Department? I have. And THEY (the government) don't help one bit. They do not care in the least. And you know what, it isn't their responsibility,either!
Its a false sense of entitlement, that doesn't help anyone. Especially those who need it. And it points people's dependancy towards man and not were it belongs, on God.
orenjiotoku 1 year ago
@orenjiotoku "Have you ever lived on food stamps?" Yes.
"Its a false sense of entitlement,"
DO you think that a minority of us removing the financial wealth of the majority has any impact on how many of us are IN food stamps lines??
The top 20% pays MOSt of our budget... and STILL MANAGES to OWN 93% and ADD to THAT another .12% every year!
Should the top leave less and less resources to be shared by the masses... and be responsiblity free for the poverty THAT creates??
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Progressives, like Obama and Pelosi, want people to be totally dependent on Government. For everything. This gives them the power that they so desperately desire to have. And some people are happy to do it, as long as they get a little piece of that elusive pie they keep hearing about. How is penalizing someone, for not having health insurance, helpful to the middle class? How is taxing the middle class TRILLIONS helping the middle class? How bout less spending?!!
orenjiotoku 1 year ago
"Progressives, like Obama and Pelosi, want people to be totally dependent on Government. For everything."
This is a pathetic lie formulated to raise your hatred of anyone non-Conservative.
HOW DOES LOW TAXES for the ELITE help the Middle class who had a 0% pay raise as Elite had 73% pay increase?
HOW IS removing financial resources FROM the MIDDLE CLASS and then blaming the middle class and requiring the middle class to pay for the poverty created by the top... helpful to the middle class??
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Where's the lie, Hope? Are you telling me Obama's desire for a single payer healthcare system is not forced government reliance? Putting private corporations out of business, by regulating them into extinction? That is abuse of government power, to assert a FAILED ideology. How can you complain that the wealthy get tax breaks? They're already paying MOST of their income thru taxes. By your reasoning, wouldn't you be happy that they make MORE money, to pour into taxes?
orenjiotoku 1 year ago
" forced government reliance" Are you aware of the resaons many DESIRE a single payer plan (US = only developed nation w/privatized healthcare, ranks 37th in care with the second highest price) ?
It is NOT because they desire the nation to need a nanny. That is a propaganda spin put on the facts to garner your support for Corps governing your healthcare. You, like many, buy the propaganda without researching it.
What are the benefits of single payer? You must know since you oppose it?
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
"Putting private corporations out of business, by regulating them into extinction?"
Another line of lies manufactured to gain your support for leaving the Elite alone with the majority of the wealth and profit and NO rules and NO supervision. Through the "right' media base, you are programmed to oppose all regs, which is Conservative policy.
In THIS way, we see that the Republican platform perfectly mirrors the Corp platform...
...no?
Did the public benefit from NO RULES for Swaps??
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
'regulating them into extinction? That is abuse of government power, to assert a FAILED ideology.'
?How is Regulation "failed"?
Derivative contracts, 100% UNregulated, along with UNregulated subprimes are the vehicle of mass financial destruction that caused Global Ruination.
FAILURE TO REGULATE is the obvious impetus for the Global Meltdown of 2008.
60% of Subprimes were OUTside F&F, the ONLY regulated players as GSE's.
$60 TRILLION in Swaps!
Private market invented Alt-A sans REGS!!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
"already paying MOST of their income thru taxes".
Do you study before you speak?
Income tax for Buffet is lower than his secratary.. look it up... 17%.
IN FACT, the top 20% pays the MAJORITY of our total bill. No problem for them. Thay can cover 73% of all our tax base...... and STILL OWN 93% of ALL financial wealth, AND take another .12% every year...
.. WHILE maintaining stacks of $100 bills that are 3 MILES high. Literally.
They simply lie to the public thru their media Corps!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
"By your reasoning, wouldn't you be happy that they make MORE money, to pour into taxes?"
How do they pour their wealth into taxes when Conservatives refuse to tax them??
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Your ideology is not even remotely based in facts NOR reality in the slightest. Do you know that it is conservatives that give more of their income to charities than do Liberals? Check out the statistics. liberals are less giving individuals. More liberals are atheists than conservatives. NO conservative leans towards socialism nor marxism. But a GREAT many liberals do. Do you see people crossing the ocean on rafts and ocean containers to escape America? Get real.
orenjiotoku 1 year ago
"Your ideology is not even remotely based in facts NOR reality"
?? What IS my ideology?
You mean the Progressive agenda is not based in reality?
Check the Conservative platform next to the Corporate agenda: 1) Removal of all regulation, leave the Elite alone with no rules and no supervision 2) Pax Americana for the military/indistrial complex 3)removal of all aide for the poor 4) tax cuts for the 20% of us that own 93% of financial wealth, on & on.
What MORE could the Elite want?
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
"More liberals are atheists than conservatives"
"Christians" of today have been brainwashed into worshipping Republican jesus. "Don't feed the poor, it makes them lazy" "Hold on to your guns and your religion" "Love your eney, unless he is a Democrat" "Do not bear false witness against your neighbor, unless you are trying to get elected or go to war" "Blessed are the wealthy" "No one comes to the Father unless he votes Republican" "blessed are the occupiers" "Woe to the poor".
Blasphemer.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Do you put your political believes before your relationship/beliefs in God and His word? Do you agree with abortion? Homosexuality? Most of the irrational REGURGITATED accusations you listed above, is exactly the mindless reasoning that liberals subscribe to. I'm NOT a liberal, because disagree with most of their beliefs. I don't cling to guns, NOR trees. Are you really a Christian? Do you cling to God? I'm being sincere.
orenjiotoku 1 year ago
I have 2 choices...
1) Support freemarket war (occupation for control of resources = 500,000 dead just in Iraq), destruction of earth for profit, nuclear proliferation, the Elite owning 93% of wealth and having MORE tax cuts, removal of all aide for the poor CAUSED by TRICKLE UP economics, removal of unions and the minimum wage, removal of all rules and supervision FROM the Eiltes and their Corps and oil Coprs keeping us addicted to a dwindling resource, cheap oil and the 24/7 lie machine...
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
OR
2) RETAKE the government FOR the people, REMOVE Corporate interests FROM the Gov, REMOVE ALL Corporate lobbyists/Campaign contributions. OPPOSED 100% by Cons.
KEEP GOV transparent, honest and working IN THE BEST INTERST of the people. I believe ALL should BENEFIT from the system WE all participate in, NOT just a FEW!
THIS IS WHAT the Forefathers set up.
REMOVE gov and give the ELite no rules and NO supervision is NOT what they destined us for! OBVIOUSLY!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
"Do you put your political believes before your relationship/beliefs in God and His word?"
What amazes me is Christians fall for "Hold on to your guns and your religion" (Palin)
If you believe predation, occupation, love for the wealthy and hatred for the poor, lying, the Elite with no rules and no supervision, NRA, killing off our species for the profits of the few, support for Corps over people.......... is "Jesus" ... you may want review His teachings.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
Amazes me that they can sell so many of your this idea that anyone who is non-conservative is a social/commu/fasist/athiest.
It is simply erroneous. I submit that just as many conservatives would like to remove all Muslims through holy war. You have just as many whack jobs on your side as anyone else.
We also use 25% of the world resources for 3% of it's population, No one wants to leave here, we have all the STUFF!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Why would conservatives want to remove Muslims? Where do you get this stuff? Do you know about the Muslim religion? What religion where in do you see the most followers flying airplanes into buildings, or strapping bombs to teenagers backs? But don't dare say anything against Islam. Christianity is OK, but don't touch Islam. They'll shoot you down in the street (like Theo Van Gogh). But thats just the radicals. ...well, where are the moderates? Why are they silent.
orenjiotoku 1 year ago
"What religion where in do you see the most followers flying airplanes into buildings,'
Do you deny America's hands are just as bloody? Who funded the Taliban first? Al quaeda? We have been IN the Middle East ensuring our access to cheap oil since the '50's. Did WE KILL ANYONE to ensure that control??
Interesting that GOD put OUR oil UNDER THEIR sand!! We desire CONTROL, as whites always have, over resources of other people. It is simple to see and NOT supported by Jesus.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
We pledged OUR support for Saudi Family 45 years ago.
It was Saudis who flew the planes, led by a Saudi leader. Yet we let all Saudis out of the country without question on 9/12, invade IRAQ! Look up Carlisle Group... Bin Ladens have all their $ tangled up with the Bush's.
Don;t EVER think our hands are clean! STUDY, mAn. YOur eternity depends on it!
WAR between radicals. Radical "Christains" vs radical Muslims. Moderates are not heard here for the same reason they are not heard there.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Do you think you are a moderate? There is no way that you are, just from hearing the rhetoric you've espoused to. I don't for one second, agree with any of the lies you have just posted. And the quote, you love to repeat about people clinging to guns and religion- was said by Obama, who is indeed an atheist. By the way, do you cling to God? You haven't answered that one. Are you a Christian? Do you dislike white people? If you do, then you have been indoctrinated.
orenjiotoku 1 year ago
Anyone who is not Conservative is a radical?
Please tell me WHICH policy the "right" does NOT support - Pax Americana?? Tax cuts for the rich? Removal of aide for the poor? Removal of all rules and supervision from the ELite, denial of man's impact on the earth and support for deregulation of every kind, reliance on oil.. WHICH of those is NOT a Connie platform??
BTW, I don't ESPOUSE the FACTS that I put forth, I researched and WRITE them myself...please, which is untrue?
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
"And the quote, .... was said by Obama"
You spin, which is typical. Obama's statement was AGAINT... Pailin stated they "are not afraid to" being FOR Guns and God. You can't deny that. Are you trying to claim that it is Obama who mixes guns and religion?
" who is indeed an atheist." Horse shit. Amazes me how Connies spout lie after lie with no regard or respect.
What makes you think that because I am NOT Conservative I "hate white people" and God?? Indoctrinated?
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
" Obama, who is indeed an atheist." you
"The measure you use to judge will be measured back to you" Jesus
Non-Conservatives are not saying...
..... "Anyone who disagrees with us is a radical athiest"...
.... as Conservatives say of any non-Conservatives...
.... ("They are nor OUR enemies, they are God's enemies" Beck, Coulter's book, "Godless" on and on and on).
The log in the eye of the Republican party has made them blind!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow The ELITE, are liberal progressives that manipulate the system to reach their own desired base ends. What do you call left wing, BILLIONAIRE George Soros?! What do you get a guy who has everything? How bout more power. Power to shape this country into what ELITE atheists like Soros want this country to be. Socialism doesn't work. History has proven that. Rich people aren't the problem, unless you're talking about leftist elites like Soros and Pelosi.
orenjiotoku 1 year ago
"The ELITE, are liberal progressives..."
You are claiming that every person in the top 20% is a Democrat??
Yea, uuhhhuhh.. too inane to respect with an answer.
I would claim the Elite use their 5 media Corps that own 100% of mainstream media, to steer the public into support for deregulation, warmaking, nuclear proliferation, hatred of the environment, removal of all aide for the poor and destruction of worker.
100% CONSERVATIVE AGENDA!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
" that manipulate the system to reach their own desired base ends".
The desired ends of the Corporate Elite are:
1) 100% deregulation in all sectors ... envoronmental, financial, food chain(Austrian Economics, liassez faire, Free Market)
Leave the Elite alone w/no Rules, No Supervision.
2) Pax Americana... Use of military force to accomplish US Power Objectives. Now made, by CHeney, into Free MArket Warmaking with US Private COrps raping the taxpayer. Occupation for profit.
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
"" that manipulate the system to reach their own desired base ends".
3) Removal of all aide for the poor ... "Don't feed the poor, it makes them lazy" The poor are poor because they choose to be lazy. The poverty rate in the US has spikes because the poor have "a feeling of entitlement".
4) The idea that we are too poor to regulate polluting Corporations. We would rather be dead than poor and man has no impact on the earth..
.. ALL Connie PROPAGANDA used to steer us to our deaths!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
Did Soros start the Iraq war?
THAT is POWER! Wanna talk power? What does it take to lie a nation into a $3 TRILLION $ war with 500,000 dead?? To raise the Corp that you were CEO of into 18th place from 73rd in 6 months? Inventing the privitization of warmaking in 1992 w/ a $9 million contract for KBR to see if they could replace the military and ad in a profit margin to the battlefield. THAT is POWER!
Or Murdock/Ailes w/ their 24/7 HATE OBAMA channel!
Talk about "Shape the country!"
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
" ELITE atheists like Soros want this country to be."
Like the Conservative "right" is actually Christian;
"Hold on to your guns and your religion" Republican jesus channeled through Sarah Palin.
Is Holy War part of The Original Jesus' agenda? "Love your enemies, unless your oil is under their sand, then feel free to invade, occupy and kill as many as you can"Rj
Is locking up gays, as the "right" supports in Uganda, the change you are looking for??
Hatred fo the poor.. "Christian"??
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
" Socialism doesn't work. History has proven that."
Is anyone who is not Conservative a socialist?
Even William Buckley understood that was a ridiculous claim.
Obama is NOT a socialist..... WHY does the left hate him? Watch Amy Goodman (Any idea who that is?) bash him for NOT representing PROGRESSIVE legislation.
It's just another lie used by the ELite to garner your vote for their policies through the Republican platform.
SO OBVIOUS!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Why socialism? Gee, I don't know, probably because so many of those in Obama's administration, hold marxist dictators in high praise. Various Socialist and Communist groups push for his re-election. Do I know what benefits the new Obamacare package entails? If I was a typical American, I'd know about as much as Pelosi revealed when she said that we have to pas the bill to find out whats in it. Amy Goodman, yeah a far left PR caster.
orenjiotoku 1 year ago
" those in Obama's administration, hold marxist dictators in high praise."
Regurgitator. Check out "The FAmily", the "chritian" base for the Tea Party. They hold Bin Laden, Hitler and Mao in high regard. LOOK IT UP! Doug COE! Did ANY FAR RIGHT GRUOP EVER puch ofr Bush's re-election??
Yea, AS I SAID - IF Obama is a socialsit, WHY DOES THE LEFT HATE HIM???
You forgot to answer that.
"Democracy Now" sticks to facts, Faux news manufactures votes for THE Corp agenda!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
" Rich people aren't the problem, unless you're talking about leftist elites like Soros and Pelosi. "
Come on. The to 20% owning 93% fo all financial wealth is no problem??
Right. Wealth does NOT create power and more power does NOT create more wealth. The top 20% is NOT eating up the wealth of the middle class. ???*&%^%!
The Elite can rip you off right in front of your face and you support it! IN fact the rise in poverty in America is directly linked to the rise in wealth inequality! READ!
HopeForPeaceNow 1 year ago
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orenjiotoku 1 year ago
Lets assume that private contractors in the war effort peel potatoes, as you Stated. Lets also assume private contractors should not be used in the military, because they make obscene profits. ( 2009 Halliburton made 7.9% after tax, and KBR made 3%). wow. If we remove them from working for the military, will the potatoes peel themselves? Should we make the military bigger, reduce time off for soldiers, draft potato peelers, make soldiers who are currently killing bad guys into potato peelers?
luvcheney1 1 year ago